Chortle.
The terms "free expression" and "CelticsBlog" should never be used in the same sentence. I wonder if Jeff's issued brown shirts and knee-high boots to his moderators yet.
On to Pierce: Overgenerous characterization of his skills, to be sure, but he's playing Kyle Sampson to Alberto Gonzales' daily "Yeah, that's the ticket" routine with the truth.
The message is over-dramatized, but it's basically true: This team sucks, and Pierce is going to be old, gray and helping John Havlicek into TD Tanknorth with his walker before the Celtics even darken the ECF, let alone the Finals.
On the other hand, at least Pierce didn't try to hand us Danny's "one player away" bullshit. I still think Pierce, though no Einstein, is capable of being one of two or three major contributors on a top team.
Anybody get to see Ben Gordon dribble himself into a corner in OT last night?
Quite true. I don't find Pierce's hubris nearly as objectionable as the "one player away" bullshit propaganda campaign of the Grousbeck-Ainge administration - let alone the dumb Internet fucks who cling to that bullshit as tenaciously as Republicans who still believe in their - not our - preznit.
Hey, Doc. Can you get the research department on this one?
Did that dumbshit Grousbeck actually say in public that he'd be satisfied with a lower draft pick than one or two because "we're willing to wait?"
And if so, can you provide an e-mail contact for him so I can send him a thinly-veiled demand to pull his head out of his ass?
Thanks in advance.
JJ.
ha! JJ, I have Wyc's email here in my roledex, back from our old fair Princeton days...
As much as I agree that the lies from management are worse, I just think it's lame that a guy signs a huge extension and then bitches about it a year later. Paul has made a semi-believer of me for the past two seasons. But I just find this "poor me, I'm a GREAT player blah blah blah" to be embarassing. I can't remember if I've ever heard a player refer to themselves as great, let alone one who is not.
And, also, more importantly, it was something new to write about it.
I do agree that Pierce has established that he's not a bellcow for a champion - no Bird, no Havlicek, etc.
But in some respects, I do feel sorry for him. He's been surrounded by shit the past three years, save a half-season of veteran help that was thrown out with the trash.
I asked Peter May via e-mail the same question and he thinks Grousbeck wants to win, just that he has no earthly clue how to do it - which is a Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor revelation.
The solution, clearly, is to shitcan the Mormon, identify a proven NBA GM< hire him and then go back to your job as owner - which is grinning stupidly from your courtside seats.
It's pretty brazen for any Celtic player or official to say anything self agrandizing after this pitiful season. Pierce is not one of the very small handful of players who can carry a team to a championship. Doc lobbying for an extension is about the ballsiest thing I've ever seen. And Danny owes an apology to all for the Telfair trade alone. If I want to listen to a bunch of blather, I'll tune into The View. In the meantime, shut up. lose, and do some things right for next year.
Love to see Pierce shutting it down two games after Tommy Snow and Condoleeza Gorman told us he's "not shutting it down" about 1,042 times.
Oh, and I see they tweaked the Celtics TV promo with Pierce and Rondo in which Pierce looks at Lucky's clothes and says, "Only a rookie would wear that," and Rondo comes in a says, "Just my size, Lucky." I guess they've added a new ending in which Pierce says, "Hey Rondo, if it'll fit over your diapers, why don't you wear that shit outta town and get us a veteran point guard in here!"
Excellent work, Dr. Sometimes when reading celticsblog and realgm I forget that Pierce has only been named to the All-NBA-3rd team one time.
So many times people argue whether or not Pierce is a top 10 NBA player, if he can be the #1 man on a contender, or where he stands on the list of all-time great Celtics.
It is pretty humbling to see that he is an All-NBA 3rd team selection one time, has finished over .500 a total of 3 times, and we are usually left debating things like "Who should get the final all-star spot, Pierce or Michael Redd?"
The one time that we had a legitimate team around Pierce we learned that he was no where near as good as Jason Kidd and that is about it. I think it'd be interesting to see how he plays on a contender, could he fit in? Make his team mates better? Lead? My guess is that he'd fail miserably and that he is a good-stats-bad team kind of player but we'll just have to wait and see on that one.
fuck coc. they can't even lose right.
I hate the Celtics.
Coc is winning to try to keep his job. Management needs to tell the idiot that at this point it's over. If we let Milwaukee pass us for the 2nd worst record, we will have surpassed every dumbassed move this franchise has ever made. Fuck Coc is right, willie.
Good point.
The "Gerald Green for the Basketball Hall of Fame" drive is now under way on RealGM and Celtics Nation.
When Gigi can spell "basketball," then I'll consider him for the HOF. I'm not worried that will soon happen.
As if there was any doubt, the recent play of the team should answer the age old question "Are the Boston Celtics retarded?"
I can't wait for the day to come when I can root for the Celtics to win a game. I can't wait for the day to come when I won't have to wear earplugs and a clothespin on my nose to get a piece of ass. Fuck Coc. Fuck Queen LaQueefa. Get me the hell out of here.
My god I just looked at some recent Milwaukee Bucks boxscores. Check out some of their lineups!! Krystowiak is putting Doc to shame. Why are the Celtics too stupid to do this? What part of mathematically eliminated don't they understand?
Huge game tonight. Let's hope Doc doesn't fuck it up by trying to win. I think Telfair and Ray have got to get "showcased" tonight.
I've already read that Al and Gomes "bumped knees" and Jefferson won't play. Also someone said that Pierce might need to sit this one out, too. I don't know if any of this is true but I sure hope so!
I don't care if the DNP is "anal fissures."
Let's get some DNPs out there and nail down a key defeat.
This is a must lose game.
Great game! I'm tempted to forgive Telfair for his performance this season based on his incredible game last night. Nah, fuck. He sucks shit.
Gotta give Danny credit: he managed to pick up Pinkney without trading Scal and Telfair for him. Wait a minute, Bakersfield probably didn't want Scal and Telfair.
Hey, anon, I think you've hit on something. Danny is brilliant! Telfair was worth giving up the 7th pick last year so that his play could get us a top two pick this year. Just think, if we get the #2 pick this year we can trade if for shit to give us a real shot at a #1 pick next year. We are in the presence of greatness with Celtic management and its' plan that is a secret to most. Start Telfair, he will lead us to the promised land. Number 17 is just around the corner.
I've been giving Danny credit all season for his ability to put together a team that can tank the season while trying passionately to win. The Telfair acquisition was icing on the cake. I gotta give Doc some credit too for being able to continue losing without Scal. Now that's coaching.
Six games left right? 3 games "up" on the Bucks. Durant is coming out according to Celts blog. If they hang on to the 2nd spot, the Celts have a 20% change of landing Oden and a 38% chance of landing Durant. So, over a 58% chance of landing one of the first two, assuming Oden comes out.
Despite themselves, the Celts with their undermanned roster should be be able to fend off the Bucks push for the 2 spot. With Jefferson, the veteran all-star, Rondo, DW (I'm a fan), Durant/Oden and Perk,I'm eyeing the Kool-aid cannister, Telfair be damned.
Gotta hand it to Busty Telfailure for picking his spots: he managed 21 points against 40 year old almost-was Darrell Armstrong without endangering the defeat. The "Telfair/Ray Showcase" continues.
Meanwhile, Brandon Roy has been regularly scoring in the twenties and will, most likely, prove to be a better two guard than anybody we currently have. At the very least, appealing trade bait.
Yeah, but does Roy have a book and movie about him? Has he ever brought a gun on a plane? Has he ever been involved in a gang rapper shooting? See, he's boring.
Haha the Herald reports that the Celtics are going to offer Doc Rivers an extension after the season. The Celtics are such a terrible franchise that it's ridiculous.
Chortle.
Yeah, tell me again how committed Free Ducats Grousbeck is to winning.
There are at least 5 pages of posts on realgm agreeing with each other that he earned the extention (I couldn't read anymore after 5 pages, too painful). Yep, a 23-53 record, including a franchise record 18-game losing streak during a season in which the stated preseason expectations were to make the playoffs.
You guys still don't get it! Danny is preparing to tank NEXT season! Hence, the extension.
They are giving Doc an extension? WTF?
RealGM has been overrun with the Kool-Aid drinkers from CelticsBlah.
Yeah, 23 wins and our cup just fucking runneth over with talent and coaching genius.
Fucking eMachines computers are too cheap.
I think the posters on this board share something in common with a newly enlightened lesbian: we're all sick and tired of Coc.
All the Kool-Aid heads are saying what a great job Doc is doing tanking down the stretch and that he's earning his extension with his substitutions. MAN, are they going to be shocked when he's still pulling this exact same shit when next year starts..
I hear ya, EJ. But you gotta admit Doc is doing some magnificent tanking. I mean, leaving Telfair in there through long stretches of the third and fourth quarters, making Tyrone Lue look like Kobe is just flat out spec-tank-ular! I think most of the comments about Dco deserving an extension for his tanking expertise are sarcastic--CelticsBlah readers voted 2-1 that Doc's extension is a bad idea--but, don't forget, they'll have to tank next year too, so they might still need Doc (and Telfair).
Doctor, when are we going to get a "Dr. Chestnutt on the Celtics" or "The Good Doctor Breaks Down the Celtics" book? I would buy that thing fresh off the presses.
Here's an idea, you can have some comments in there by some of the personalities on this board. It's a sure-fire hit!
Can't wait for the chapter on "How I really feel about the ten year extension of Doc's contract". Sure to be required reading.
Well, they've secured the second worst record. What an accomplishment! Give Doc an extension! Danny for exec of the year! Tommy Points for every fucking idiot in this pathetic clusterfuck of a so-called professional basketball team.
Ughh...I just realized the Celts have about a 40% chance of landing one of the top two picks, not 58% as I mistakenly posted earlier. That SUCKS. I thinks the Celtics had a 36% chance of landing Duncan, and we know what happened there.
So, probably, the Celtics DON'T get Oden/Durant. All that expert tanking down the tubes - probably. Maybe they should move the pick for a vet? It's tough to give up even a shot at one of those guys - especially Oden.
I had a choice this afternoon of looking at the Old Bag or reading some of the old posts on this blog going back a year or so. Damn, you bastards write well, and are hilarious to boot. Most of the assessments and predictions you guys made turned out to be true, I would guess a 95% rate of being correct. The only thing wrong was reading some of my posts about the Old Bag. Takj about Memory Lane. More like Amnesia Alley. It came to me that archiving all those posts was almost like a scrapbook, and then, upon further thought, like a scrapbook without the s. When I married the Bag, I lost most of my luck (and fuck), what little of luck I have, I will to the lottery.
myassholestnxduzyrs?, too bad you can't cast your balls into the lottery for a new old bag. Nah, you know you love her, even though her pussy hangs like a wizard's sleeve.
And speaking of pussies, Telfair's minutes seem to have declined immediately after the need to tank ended.
anyone else see that Bill Simmons rehashed two years of CelticsDoom blog posts for his last column?
I did see that Willie. It was the best thing he's written in a while, but I agree, it was the exact same thing we read here on a daily basis.
Quite true. An impressive record of accuracy.
Unmatched by the asshats on Celtics Blah or RealGM.
Do I recall correctly that Wyc Jr. came over here from Celtics Blah one fine winter day to attempt to goad us into a fight with "what does it feel like to be right?"
I guess he couldn't find the ban button on Chesty's blog.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man, the one really good thing about this year is Al Jefferson. You can begin to see our way out of this abyss with a lineup of Al, Pierce, Rondo, West, and ....
Hey boil, take that Kool-Aid shit over to Celtanks Blah.
Just kidding, Al is like Tim Duncan on offense and Sandy Duncan on defense. I'm glad Perk got the plantar fascitis back in December so Al got a chance to start.
Not to mention exaggerated the plantar fascitis as an excuse for his sorry-ass fourth season - which comes on the heels of his sorry-ass third, second and first seasons.
Didn't know plantar fascitis was as bad as the clap.
But seriously, Jefferson is the ONLY bright spot in this otherwise dismal failure of a season.
On a happier note, it looks like we're going to get the association out here in the Midwest for keeps, courtesy of those stupid fucks in rain-soaked Seattle.
So at least the once-yearly trips to see the Celtics get ass-plowed in Oklahoma City may remain.
JJ, you're making me blush with this man-crush you have on me
Hey Dr. Chestnutt, is it ok to use the term "man-crush" here, or should it be censored?
Ban him for it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Ah, Jeff, old buddy - when you want the truth about what's going on with the Celtics, feel free to step out of that Oz you operate and come over here.
We're only too glad to help you out.
I enjoy visiting here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I don't know what I did to draw such ire from you Jim, but I understand that I can't please everyone. I'm sorry if you were hurt by being banned (I obviously don't remember each particular case) but I'm sure it wasn't personal. I wish you all the best.
Can new team president Gotham fire Ainge?
You seem to enjoy using the term "banned," Jeff. Maybe you should try the term "quit."
You know exactly what I mean when I say that you apply board rules selectively - toward anyone who dares question Grousbeck.
Pretty simple. I stand on my track record of observations about the Celtics. If you care to admit it - and I doubt if you do - you will recall that before I left, I forecast 37 wins for this year's Celtics club - a forecast that drew the personal messaging ire of one of your moderators.
That number, I said, would drop into the mid-20s if Pierce missed any significant time.
I believe that I'll just stand on my record of accuracy regarding the Celtics. The similar records of your moderators speak for themselves.
so you really do believe you were railroaded for having an opinion different from mine or another mod?
really?
I guess I can't help you if that's really what you believe - nothing I can say is going to change your mind without going back and tracking down all the events and people involved
all I can tell you is that it is just not true because it has never been true of anyone
By the way, just for you, I went back and researched the events surrounding your departure - I see that you are right, you asked to be deleted from the blog because you didn't agree with the way a moderator was addressing you via PMs.
I don't want to drag this out in public, so if you like you can email me and we can discuss this at more length, but the bottom line is that you were not railroaded for having a differing opinion, period.
false hope springs eternal.
In case anyone didn't know, Bob Ryan informed us in today's Globe that Paul Pierce is "still the team's best clutch rebounder."
JJ, please let us know the progress of your secret talks. I was also banned (my posts immediately removed without regard to content) for a while, until Jeff heard you complain, and then I was allowed to express my dissent.
Okay, guys, time for some healing. How about a nice big group hug? Who volunteers to stand in front of Will Roberts?
The Old Bag asked me with a smile on her face how the Celtics were doing this year. I think she's fucking with me. As far as the group hug is concerned, I think Danny, Doc, and Wyc should be behind each of us, and we can all smoke a cigarette afterwords.
Chortle.
Really no need to express dissent. It's expressing itself in the facts, and anyone who disagrees just discredits themselves - further.
No thoughts about Sebustian Telfailure's latest brush with the law?
If being the most inept player in the league doesn't get you cut from the Day Care, does being a pathological dumb fuck get the job done?
Discuss.
Oh, and for the record, I have zero interest in any e-mail, Jeff, until you and your moderators:
1) cease goading dissenters into disagreements, both on the board and through personal messages;
and
2) display some sort of a commitment to a balanced Celtics discussion.
Silly me:
and
3) Enforce the board rules against churlish behavior against EVERYONE, not just the people dissatisfied with the state of the Celtics.
The Sebastian Telfair trade has now entered the Vin Baker level of unbelievably idiotic moves in NBA history.
Boys, here's a first of recent vintage: Something out of the Bullshitting Banker Boy's mouth that I actually agree with:
http://celtics.bostonherald.com/
...rticleid=195915
Adios, Sebustian. Enjoy your stay at the Pacman Jones Hotel and Resort.
Now we get to follow the careers of Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay to track what we could have had instead of this clown. Which reminds me, what ever became of inmate #42's problems in Chicago?
So Danny saved 1 year on Raef's contract by swapping him for Theo, then traded Roy for Telfair. Telfair was given the starting point guard position to start the season and was quickly overtaken by West. Then West missed 14 games, and he was overtaken by Rondo. So he was the 3rd string PG on the worst team in the league last year and the 3rd string PG on the second worst team in the league this year. In addition to being absolutely horrendous, he had a $50k necklace stolen right after Danny traded for him, a rapper was shot, and now this incident. Just like the gun-on-the-plane incident, Telfair plays dumb and says he had "no idea" how the gun got there. Roy is already averaging 17-4-4.
If you believe what you read on realgm then Boston will miraculously be able to trade Ratliff and crap for Jermaine O'Neal or Pau Gasol, but more than likely Danny will end up using that money to re-sign guys like Tony Allen so that we can look forward to more ridiculous off the court incidents in the future.
I'm almost beginning to think Danny is capable of missing out on Oden or Durant even if he landed a top 2 pick.
One thing about it: Fucking Telfailure will be like leukemia.
No fucking way to get rid of his name from Celtics annals - or is that anals? - alongside the Joe Johnson and Chauncey Billups deals.
The latter two were bad enough, but they've turned every fucking half-witted Celtics fan into America into a sniveling pussy when it comes to trading.
This Telfair trade is neck and neck with the Vin Baker trade, imo. For crying out loud, would anyone else have done those two deals? I read somewhere Chris Wallace might be leaving, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Has any team in the history of the NBA had two consecutive GMs as incompetent as Chris Wallace and Danny Ainge? I say no.
I really hated Chris Wallace, but Danny Ainge has almost caught up to him. If DA messes up again, he will surpass him.
Both of these guys are guilty of havin the "genius syndrome"-- which is making deals to be seen as brilliant, but only outwitting themselves in the process. Any person with half a brain would have taken Roy with the #7 pick. It was obvious.
Moral: It isn't that hard for a quarter-wit - put Wallace and Ainge together and you've got a half-wit - to outwit himself.
Well said, Rocky.
CeltanksBlah has been down all afternoon. How am I to know if Telfair is misunderstood or just young?
It's Bassy to those who love him dearly, Anon.
And he's clearly misunderstood. Some of the village idiots at RealGM are suggesting now that he's not even guilty of a crime - even though the New York laws might see the issue differently.
Chortle. It never ceases to amaze me how people struggle with admitting that they're wrong.
"Only the draft will determine whether the Celtics become great or merely very good." - courtesy RealGM.
Seriously, where can you find these kinds of laughs for free? The tears are still running down my face.
Well, let's see. Telfair's getting the boot, but Celticsblahgers are saying it was still a good trade because Wyc saved money. Coc is getting an extension for a 24-58 record. And the Old Bag's mother called today and says she'll be staying with us for six weeks during the summer. Bassy, can I borrow your gun, pretty please?
Got to give those blaggers credit: It must be difficult to type on a computer keyboard with your tongue up Wyc's anus.
I don't understand their mentality at all. Imagine saying "Danny had a great offseason last year, he traded the draft pick that ended up being the rookie of the year for a point guard who would get arrested twice in his first season with the team, lose his starting job after 20 games, and have the owner publically declare that he wouldn't be back for a second season. However, he saved $11 million. Didn't get the team under the salary cap, just saved Wyc $11 million."
If I gave a fuck about how much money Wyc Grousbeck made I'd be on an investment banking forum, not a basketball forum.
It does make you wonder if old Wyc doesn't have some sort of a relationship with those posters.
I'd love to make Wyc fucking rich - by selling the club to someone who doesn't have his head buried in his own ass.
33% of Americans still think Bush is doing a good job. 33% of CelticsBlahgers think Doc deserves an extension. Basically, 33% of people will never admit they're wrong no matter what. Many of them are on CelticsBlah.
The Internet doesn't compel anyone to admit that they have no foggy clue about basketball and the Boston Celtics.
Two years ago you could have some pretty heated discussions about the future of the Celtics because the verdict wasn't in.
It's sure as hell in now. The youth movement has failed.
But there are going to be idiots who won't admit it, results be damned.
Anon, too bad that 33% includes Wyc. The old phrase "I'd rather be lucky than good" never was truer than with the current version of the Celtics.
The bright side is one CLEAR reminder that Ainge is an idiot - Telfair - is gone.
But it does deprive us of the pleasure of anticipating this summer's trade to try and rectify being bent over by the TrailBlazers last summer.
Since Danny won't be busy hiding all the mistakes he made last summer, perhaps he can focus on a first - actually having a positive summer of drafting and trades.
A guy can dream, can't he?
We can't even fire somebody the right way. What could we possibly get in return for Telfair now? The Celtics logo needs to be changed to show "Lucky" bent over a wilted three leaf clover with a cock-shaped shillelah up his ass. Next topic of discussion: Coc's well deserved extension.
Let's just pray that the Celtics don't cut Telfailure. That would free him up to sign with another team. Then Danny might be tempted to package our draft pick and Scal for Telfair so that he can get out from under Scal's contract..
In celebration of this glorious season I tried to light a fart last night. All I did was burn my ass, which, upon reflection, is exactly what this season did.
I had to share this from Real GM. I laughed for 15 minutes.
?On the whole, I am delighted with Danny's performance. I love what he has done with the roster, taking it from the aging, no talent bunch that rode a horribly boring and stifling system to the EC finals, to a robust young talented roster ready to emerge as a perennial power in the EC. Thanks Danny."
Computers, my friends, are too cheap. I imagine this guy's been elevated to moderator status at CelticsBlah for this crap.
JJ, they spout the same crap on Celticsblog. From "This team would destroy the 2002 team" to "Ainge is good because he didn't make a trade to improve this team this year so we now have a chance at Oden", it's always Christmas for a few of the dimmer bulbs over there.
Unlike yourself, I enjoy posting there. But when they crack out the "I'll take Jefferson over Howard/Amare" threads, it gets very difficult not to inform those posters what I think of their ignorance in words that would get me banned.
The discussions were fine; the moderators - between their goading and their heavy-handed harassment of anyone who didn't agree with them - were another story. There was one set of rules for anyone dissatisfied with the franchise; a decidedly looser set for any of the beloved Kool-Aid crowd.
Some have indicated that board management no longer has its lips firmly attached to Wyc's ass, as they did when I got fed up with the inane posts and the general "God bless Daddy Wyc" attitude over there; if so, good for them and good for any attempts they're making to reclaim their damaged credibility.
"So, Wyc's email had an interesting effect. On the positive side, it signals a tough stance on the code of conduct. On the negative side, it signaled to all the teams looking to trade for a young point guard that the price has dropped significantly."
code of conduct HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Telfair is expendable because he sucks. Some other team probably wanted to hose Ainge in yet another deal so we should be thankful that Wyc fucked up Ainge's chances of getting porked.
No shit. No one seriously thinks Inmate #42 has suddenly found God and will read his Bible nightly instead of looking for someone to fuck up.
Here's one direct from CeltanksBlah for you:
"I think DWest has too much heart to trade for Dirk and I think DWest will get better."
The sheer, unadulterated ignorance of a post like that is mind-boggling.
Maybe that board needs a new page: "Place for stupid Celtics fans to post moronic shit."
Rather like listening to Dubya talk.
Wow. I mean I am starting to think that Dirk is a huge pussy but to not trade DELONTE WEST for him? LOL!!!!!
Perk shows a lot of heart the way he is dealing with plantar fascitis in his hands and feet. I wouldn't trade him for Amare Stoudemire.
Hey, you guys and CeltanksBlah are funny, but not nearly as funny as the players themselves. You might want to check out this Herald article in which the players talk about how to improve themselves. For example: Pierce, who, as discussed in DC's article, is none too bright:
"I think I’m an underrated defender when I put my mind to it."
Uh, Paul, if you're playing without "putting your mind to" playing some defense then no rating is low enough to describe your ability to defend.
Here's Scal:
"I’ve got to transform myself into a better three-man, so I can help the team out there. Right now I’m a four-man who can’t really play the three. I want to be able to play both positions."
Uh, Scal, you can't really play the four either. In fact, you suck shit. The last thing this team needs is another oversized three-man a la that fucking pussy Raef. Gomes and Pierce will handle the three. Why don't you see if you can fit your breasts into one of the Dancers costumes and help us out there. Better yet, do us a favor and transform yourself to another team.
For the rest of the hilarity:
http://celtics.bostonherald.com/
...rticleid=197783
I wonder if plantar fascitis infects the brain?
While we're at it, let's give Scalaburine an extension too.
I like wearing real tight pants so that when I sit down my balls lay on either side of the seam and they bulge out so much they look like frog eyes. Ribbit.
Go Warriors!!
Add RealGM to the list of the ill-informed oppressors. Like CelticsBlah, the moderators are verbally assaulting, harassing and baning anyone who dares disagree with them.
The highlight was one of them proclaiming, "We are not idiots."
Perhaps not, but like CelticsBlah, you're consistently and militantly wrong about the Celtics, its players and its future.
I'll let others decide what that actually is.
Agreed, JJ. Just about a week or two ago the realgm Mod's were adamantly defending the pick-that-was-Brandon Roy for Telfair trade on the basis of it saving ownership money. They were so unwilling to look at the basketball aspect of the trade that I was starting to wonder if the Celtics were going to start raising banners in the TD Banknorth Garden for dollars saved per season, instead of championships.
Now after you suggest that Ainge wouldn't take on a $22.5million per year deal - all the mods are back, no more than two weeks after saying the complete opposite, saying how Ainge has taken on Scalaburine, Wally, Kandi, Raef, etc. They can't have it both ways - either Ainge isn't willing to take on bloated salaries, or he royally fucked up the Brandon Roy trade.
the great thing about Ainge is that he does both. Takes on bloated salaries and gives away young talent.
It reminds me of the "We can't afford to trade Chauncy Billups again!!!" crowd that got upset over the idea of trading Delonte, FHU, or Rondo. Meanwhile the guy most likely to turn into the next Billups was traded for a few new basketball nets and to cover Wyc's bar tab at the Ritz.
There are some seriously fucked up Celtics fans who can't argue their point without contradicting themselves.
Several of them go by the names "Chris" "tlee" "Super Deluxe" "Darth Celtic," etc.
I still go back to the protesth of Super Deluxe.
"We're not idiots."
The hell you're not.
And BTW, if Ainge takes on Kevin Garnett's contract for anyone on the current roster, I'll do the Old Bag.
Jim, I believe that it was Tlee (I could be wrong on this, I'm going from memory on a bloody screen name) who was trying to point to that short stretch post trade last season where the Celtics played .500 ball for a couple weeks as proof that this was going to be a great season for them, since this was proof that the Wally trade was a great one.
Seriously, Celtics homers are some of the most ridiculous fans I've met in my entire life. One Zagnut is actually crediting Ainge with not making moves this past season and getting the team the #2 chance in the lottery. Now, even complete and total failure is a great move for these clowns.
Danny, Danny, please, old boy, take on KG's contract!!
Scintan, it can be funny when the poster is just basketball-ignorant, as many Celtic fans seem to be.
Where it crosses the line into maddening is with the militantly ignorant, the "I may not know shit about basketball, but I'm not about to admit it" crowd.
Admittedly, having coached this game for almost 30 years, I don't harbor the basketball illiterate very well.
Only at Celticsblog can Chris Wallace be considered a stand up basketball mind.
Thanksdad Gaston? What about Thanksdad Wyc?
Yeah, that article about Chris Wallace talking about how important the draft is. Who the fuck is he kidding? We've never recovered from the puke of a draft of Joe Johnson (who we immediately gave away), Kedrick Brown and Joe Forte. Meanwhile, the guys we passed over, Richard Jefferson, Gilbert Arenas, and Tony Parker, made the playoffs this year. Didn't he give us Gin Baker as well. He's still on our books for 5 mil. And Coc wants an extension. How are these people still employed? Kiss my ass.
Celticsblah now has Jeff taking the "high road" with reports Bird and McHale smoked weed in the 80's, hilariously followed by the legions of Blahdom absolutely skewering him. Funny stuff.
Nothing like a good Friday laugh. The below board - Celtics Nation - is actually one of the better ones because the moderators actually understand basketball, but it's got its share of refugees from CelticsBlah, RealBM and others.
Danny's re-signing Doc tells me two things: 1) Ainge is still totally in charge, and 2) that he's betting his own career on his Vision.
Danny is a man of great faith, a true believer in himself, and his prior judgements. He's not the kind of guy who reassesses based on updated evidence. Danny is also a very wealthy man. He has probably made more than $20 million over the past 4 years. He has nothing to lose by doing it his way.
I see no reason to believe that Danny wil reassess his youngsters. Especially now that Al Jefferson has turned the corner, Ainge will expect to see the same from his other picks. I expect him to stick with a relatively pat hand, adding the top 5 pick, and maybe a mid-level exception.
I think that Ainge is on course to rebuild a winner, but not this upcoming year. The NBA draft system encourages the weaker teams to rebuild around talented young prospects, as long as teams can pick the right ones, and then develop them effectively. The Ainge era Celtics have proven they can pick them, but haven't proven they can develop them. Maybe this will be the year they turn that corner.
It's a very intriguing story line, and that's why the fans are staying tuned in.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oops. Forgot to put quotes around the bullshit. I'm sure you can find the post, which was made under the name ThickNThin Fan.
Hard to find belly laughs like that one.
Here's another good one, courtesy of Tlee on RealBM - who loves to expound on the great young talent Danny has drafted, then comes up with pearls like this:
"The difference here is that the Celtics are this high in the lottery mainly due to injury. Add a decent rookie out of this draft to a healthy roster next season, and you may see a positive result come out of this."
Let's see. Who missed most of the season? Doggone if it wasn't Paul Pierce.
Celtics fans are indeed some of the most clueless homers in the sporting world.
LOL. TLee324 has been on fire lately. When someone said (jokingly) that Doc will win coach of the year next year, he said "There is a very interesting chance this could happen. A relatively healthy roster alone could result in a 20+ win improvement from this current record. Now that Rivers is more aware of the starting lineup he should be using, who knows how well this team could improve?"
Call me a pessimist, but I don't think we've exactly got a 67 win team on our hands here.
Then in the same thread he followed up with "A guy in the past has termed me a Doc "hater", but even I'm not sure too many coaches could have sustained losing the players he lost and still avoided the losing streak."
An 18 game losing streak? With a roster that he himself said is poised to win 44+ games next year that was only missing one key player? Not too many coaches could've avoided that??
HELLO??!! TLEE, ANYONE HOME IN THAT HEAD OF YOURS??!!!!??!!!
Someone's got to enlighten me on what it takes to become a RealBM moderator.
What's the criteria for being declared a dumb enough fuck to moderate a bad Celtics message board?
Haha I just read the Celticsblah Bird/McHale/smoking piece. At least the comment section does prove conclusively that the posters over there are indeed high. I suspected as much, but it's good to finally see proof.
The off-season has a destructive impact on those bad message boards. People either start toking and/or drinking, and the next thing you know Delonte West is the second coming of Cousy, et al.
There's a meltdown going on. Danny doesn't think game management means anything, or as he puts it, "X's and O's are overated." The Titanic has struck the iceberg. We're running a social club called the Boston Celtics.
The in-your-face arrogance of the Ainge administration is so similar to that of the Bush administration that I find my self physically and mentally upset.
Good point, Anon - as is the dogged refusal to accept reality from those who support Ainge.
Season tickets, anyone?
Welcome to Jim's new offseason feature: "Idiotic Celtics Internet Post of the Day."
This one is from John Locke on RealBM, trying - and failing miserably, of course - to make the case that Ainge has done a better job than Bryan Colangelo:
"While I agree that he is a good GM and really did a nice job, I have to stress the point that I don't feel that Toronto have the chance to become champions in the next few years.
What he basicly did was making them better, but not potential champions.
And for me, I don't care if I'm 2nd place or last place. I want a trophy. I don't care about anything else.
Sure, we can't overlook the fact that they might be able to build on this run and aquire more and more talent. But that does not seem to be the case, because they really don't have that many chips to play with. Hell, aren't they gonna lose Mo Pete?
If we get similar results next season, we'll have a lot of young players to put together in a package to land a veteran star that will put us over the top. Tha's why I'm so happy about the direction that we're taking.
I'd rather have three bad years and one relly good year, than 4 mediocre years with short and shameful playoff runs, that do nothing but make cash for the owners."
This little nugget of sheer, unadulterated ignorance is also worthy of mention, courtesy of LongTimeFan on Real BM. I swear to God computers are too damn cheap:
"There is a logical reason we draft better than other teams. Our ranking system is simply better. We have objective measures and understandings that give us, the Celtics, a more accurate appreciation of the where these young guys will end up. Our talent projection measure is simply better than other teams.
So for us Rondo looks top five. Other GM's dismiss him for not having a jump shot.
So if we have Wright over Durant and we get the #2 pick, we'll trade down and get whatever we can for the #2.
There was an interview last year where DA was asked how he knew Rondo was top five. As he started to answer, he realised that he'd be giving away trade secrets and he stammered for about thirty seconds. Then he answered how Rondo's measurables were so great for PG. That is he said they decided based on information everyone knew.
Durant and Oden may be annointed by the prevailing wisdom, but the Celtics' wisdom is simply much better than the prevailing wisdom. One of these two may have peaked or be near his peak.
DA's interviews I think are largely accurate in general. Right now he's looking at the numbers and they look very similar at the top."
that has to be a joke right?
Ainge's talent projection is better than the rest of the league's HAHAHAHAHA!!!
LOL. We have those special objectives measures and understandings that enable us to select players capable of losing 18 games in a row.
Yes, I believe LongTimeFan is the new early front-runner for dumbest fucking Celtics fan on Earth.
I still can't understand why no one seems to acknowledge that the reason Danny's drafts (other than Al) seem good is because the team is so fucking bad that even fucking idiots like Telfair get a chance to play. And Doc is such a fucking idiot that he wouldn't play Al until both Pierce and Perk were injured. Sorry, can I say "idiot" on this site.
Anyhow, love the name "RealBM".
Yeah anon, I tried pointing out the "good stats bad team" thing over there a couple of times. I gave examples like Lionel Simmons and Dana Barros. It's tough to reason with a group of people who honestly believe this was a 45-55 win team that just suffered a few too many injuries. And I agree, RealBM - a great name!!
Today's Celtics Internet Dolt of the Day:
"My jaw is still on the ground.
"average"? That means 50% of the GMs in the L find guys after pick 20 who end up being top 10 in their class (West, Allen, Gomes, Rondo) and do it year after year...? Please name the other GMs that have done that 4 times in the last 4 years."
Green Machine, RealBM.
The struggle with finding one of these insane posts each day, fellas, is restricting myself to one or two.
There are so many.
Here's the kicker to poor old Green Machine.
The one guy who you could legitimately make that argument about, Jefferson, isn't on his list.
Sheesh.
Another interesting characteristic of the Kool-Aid Krew is that whenever Ainge talks up a prospect, and said player ends up sucking - they say that Ainge was just throwing up a smokescreen to get who he wanted. In 2004 I am pretty sure he would've drafted Swift or Bassy had they been avaliable - this theory is further supported by the fact that Ainge traded for Bassy last year. - indictating that he still thought highly of the Through The Fire star. Yet both were off the board and he had to settle for Jefferson.
Take 2003 for example - everyone and their mom knew he liked Banks - no one bit with an earlier pick - and Danny took his man. Passing up David West, Diaw, Barbosa, and Howard - and then passing on Barbosa and Howard again to take Perk.
Good illustration of exactly how well our hero actually drafts - not that logic will ever enter into any discussion on RealBM.
Here's another pearl from LTF on RealBM, this time extoling the virtues of none other than Leon Powe:
"I think the Celtics like him quite a bit. He's longer than most people think. He's tough and pretty skilled around the basket. He plays both ends of the court pretty well. One of our regular posters puts his standing reach at 9' 2" which is really very good for a PF.
The only question mark is his knees and so far they've held up very well.
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607BOS.HTM
If you look at the numbers on Powe he did pretty well. Certainly better than most Celtics. Positive + / - and a positive net PER. That is actually quite good for a rookie.
I'd say your 1st round pick might be enough. If there is something we really like still on the board. I'd say right now the pick isn't quite good enough."
I'm beginning to think we can switch the Dolt of the Day post to the LBF Stupid Shit of the Day post.
JJ, you have to understand that these are the equivalents to Lenin's "useful idiots". They are the same people who were insisting as late as last season that Delonte West was going to be a great point guard in this league. They're the same people who were looking at Telfair as the next Nash. They don't understand that a player isn't automatically great just because he's wearing the team's uniform.
Chortle. Useful idiots, indeed.
It comes down to this: Anyone who's a positivist can say anything - no matter how stupid it may be - and be acclaimed because they're optimistic and that's cool.
Anyone who may try to inject some iota of basketball intelligence into the discussion - which is going to be painful when you've won 24 games, 4 with the players who for three years have been hailed as the franchise's salvation - is a messenger who must be killed.
Kind of humorous, actually.
Back tomorrow with Wednesday's Internet Dolt of the Day.
Hell, why wait for tomorrow.
Darth Celtic on RealBM proposes swapping Durant for Marion and probably Horford or Brewer, et al.
"well, if we get 2, and they get 4. I would trade wally, bassy (ending deal) and the 2 and 32 for marion 4 and 24. we still get a good young prospect in a great draft, a late gem danny likes to get, and for not much more money get a vet in his prime the same age as paul that will really add to our team.
Those people don't think before they post, clearly.
Today's Dolt of the Day, narrowly edging out Dolt HOFer TLee:
"Al Jefferson >>> KG >>> Duncan
How about them apples?
Before all is over he'll be better than both those players.
Pierce + Jefferson + Another all-star = championship next year."
- pierceainge17.
Honorable mention for the most doltish screen name of the day.
haha. but in pierceainge17's defense, he's probably just an enthusiastic 12 year old.
We have a winner in Thursday's "Internet Dolt of the Day" competition: Perk, from www.celticnation.com, who proposes this giveaway of Paul Pierce:
If the C's miraculously land Durant, do we trade...
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"Pierce to Phoenix.
Trade Checker:
Boston trades Pierce, Gomes, Telfair, 32nd pick
Phoenix trades Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, James Jones, Eric Piatkowski, 4th pick, 24th pick
Boston drafts:
2.) Durant
4.) Brandan Wright or Yi Jianlian
24.) Tiago Splitter
Starting 5:
1.) Rondo
2.) Bell
3.) Durant
4.) Yi Jianlian or Brandan Wright
5.) Jefferson
Next 5:
1.) Delonte West
2.) Gerald Green
3.) Wally Z
4.) Splitter/Thomas
5.) Perk
Alright Pierce lovers, calm down, let me explain. Let me start by saying I have always appreciated and enjoyed what Pierce has brought to this franchise. Pierce is the best player since Bird, and brought the C's out of misery which was the Celtics post Larry Legend. I was disgusted with the way Pierce acted during the 05 playoffs. Then, he resurrected my confidence in him as a leader in the 06 season when Pierce finally decided to trust his teammates, and let everyone touch the ball. Unfortunately, Pierce has been adamant about trading our top 5 pick for a vet, and whinning about how he isn't getting enough endorsement money because his team sucks.
The fact of the matter is, Pierce is 30 years old, and might be really good for another 2-3 years, but will rapidly decline after that. Even with Durant and Pierce, the C's aren't going to win anything. By the time Durant realizes he's the next Michael Jordan, Al is a consistent 22 and 10 guy, Rondo learns to shoot, Gerald learns how to play D and when to shoot, Pierce will be over the hill and a shadow of his former self.
This might set the C's back a year, but to maximize Durants potential, who will undoubtedly be a far superior player to Pierce, you need to hand the franchise to Durant and Jefferson and let them roll with it. Yao recently called Yi Jianlian the next Amare Stoudemire. Obviously there is the whole China connection, but I definitely feel that Yi's natural athleticism, excellent shot mechanics, and 7 foot+ frame make him a potential all star at the 4 position.
The questions Danny has to ask himself, will Pierce's attitude change when he doesn't get the veteran presence he asks for? Will Pierce go back to the spoiled brat he has shown on more than one occasion? Will Pierce hinder the development of Durant? Will Pierce hinder the chances of the C's winning a title by preventing Durant's development, and preventing other potential players on the C's like Gerald Green and Tony Allen? Will Pierce's overblown contract prevent the C's from signing players like Al Jefferson? Was Pierce's health issues last season the beginning of a trend?
I'm not a Pierce hater. I'd be estatic if Pierce continued to embrace the lea
It hurt to even read that. The number one reason, among others, is that I absolutely can not stand Raja Bell. If Ainge's track record of getting players that I absolutely hate is any indication (Dickau, Scalabrine, Olowokandi) - Chances are Bell will be in Green at some point! I just never considered this a possibility until now. I'm still expecting the announcement that the Celtics have reached a 6-year agreement with Keith Van Horn at some point this summer.
Oh, yeah. Six years, $48 million or some ungodly sum.
Hey, at least it gets rid of Telfair. As we know, Danny has admittedly put himself into the position of haveing to trade to get rid the idiots he has acquired rather than trading to get good players.
A Friday pearl of wisdom from Long Time Fan, author of that idiotic paean to Ainge's draft genius:
"We think he could be an all-star if he comes back. He can go into a zone and take over a game on the defensive end. It is pretty amazing to watch.
However, he can go into a zone and make a needless dunk and hurt his knee badly.
We like him. Who knows what the rest of the NBA thinks. He plays a very dangerous game. Who knows if he'll last."
On January 10th, 2007, I decided to go to the TD Banknorth Garden to watch the Boston Celtics live. I had shitty seats - I think I was in the $22.50 section if I remember correctly. The game itself wasn't worth the price of admission. Perk had a patented 30-minute 8-point 4-rebound game and Jefferson only had 4 points in the loss - but seeing Tony Allen tear three ligaments in his knee ten seconds after the whistle made the trip worthwhile.
I actually wondered if he had been shot the way he layed there not moving. What shocked me the most was that the Celtics didn't even send the trainer out. 2 Celtics scrubs carried him off the court one held him from under his arms - and the other held him BY HIS KNEES!!!! HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!
Where has our fearless leader been? PLEASE tell me the Dr. is working on something... New post either pre or post lottery!! Come on!!!!!
Bill Simmons frequently leaves me scratching my head, but he's spot on here. I'm ambivalent about trhe trade, but not with the characterization of anyone happy with the current state of the Celtics as an under-80 IQ dolt:
"Speaking of trades, if the Celtics get the No. 2 pick and take Kevin Durant, here's the deal I want them to offer G-State: Paul Pierce, Bassy Telfair, Bassy Telfair's gun collection and the No. 32 pick for Jason Richardson, Monta Ellis, the No. 18 pick and Sarunas Jasikevicius' expiring contract. And while I'm doing requests for the Celtics, here's another one ...
Wyc, Danny, Doc ... you guys all need to shut your traps. Seriously. Stop giving interviews. Stop telling your disgruntled fan base that you could have made the playoffs if not for so many injuries. Stop raving about your fantastic young nucleus of players and how they're in such high demand. Stop talking about Doc's great coaching when he won 56 games in two seasons. Stop sounding so freaking smug about everything. Just stop. Don't say another word until May 23. And if you don't start showing some humility and urgency about what happened the past two seasons, and you don't start recognizing that your fans are legitimately concerned that none of you have any idea what you're doing, here's what will happen: you're going to get written off by the majority of your entire fan base (basically, everyone with an IQ better than 80) until all three of you are gone.
It happened to Jeremy Jacobs, Harry Sinden and the Bruins; it's going to happen to you. You've reached that do-or-die point with your fans and season-ticket holders -- trust me, I'm getting the e-mails every day -- and the fact that none of you realize it is more disturbing than anything. So stop talking. Wait to see what happens with the Ping-Pong balls next Tuesday. You have to believe me, I'm speaking for just about everyone who loves your team. The lack of humility and urgency after two straight crappy seasons has been appalling. I can't emphasize that strongly enough."
Agreed JJ. I don't know if I agree with that trade idea, but the message to Celts management is on point.
From our dear, dear friends at CelticsBlah:
"Day-by-day, as the lottery nears, it gets more nerve racking. Each day, I become more anxious. I am literally losing my mind.
Words cannot express how important this day is to me. I still remember the Tim Duncan nightmare. I cried.....Yes... I admit it. I cried like a sissy. I cannot go through that again. My therapist has told me that I should leave the C's alone but I can't. This is the year we come back,
I can't eat. I can't sleep. I've actually lost 15 pounds the past few months. It's the first thing on my mind when I wake up, and last thing on my mind when I sleep.
I almost hit a parked cop car the other day when I was doing mock draft scenarios in my head while driving on 495.
My grades during finals week tanked more than the Celtics did."
Perhaps it makes me a bad fan, but I seldom get this worked up about anything, unless a loved one is awaiting a cancer test or something like that.
I'm certainly not going to get that worked up about anything in the hands of a cheapskate who gave us Powe's Hos, an idiot who traded a lottery pick for Sebustian Telfailure and a guy who can't coach.
LOL
Oops sorry that was me not Anonymous. Also, I really hope that wasn't Jeff who wrote that..
Chortle.
Well, I'm not gonna worry about something that's probably going to be fucked up anyway - by the Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld of the NBA.
Anyone else see Jeff's ugly ass in the Metro today? LOL - just kidding, Jeff. He started out good - If the pingpong balls come up in their favor, they could be on the way to banner No. 17." - before pussing out - "If not, well, who knows how bad it could get?"
I am pretty sure we all know how bad it could get. Without going into too much detail "With the 3rd pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select: Another ten years of mediocrity and losing!"
Yi Whingding, the 7-foot project from across the pond.
Yeah, without Oden or Durant to force the Three Stooges out of management wilderness, none of us may live long enough to see another Celtics banner.
We all know how bad it can get. Or did we already forget watching Sebustian Telfailure and Allan "the anti-Ray Allen" Ray tank the last half of the season.
Totally, irrevocably fucked.
Fire all of them.
yep.
Whoohoo! Fifth pick. Fuck you, Danny!
Wow if we end up taking someone like Julian Wright, that would cruel and unusual punishment.
If we can get Brandon Wright i'll be pleasanty surprised.
Can we trade the pick for Junior Harrington, the third string point guard on the worst team in the NBA?
LOL. I think it's about the 20th time I've said it this year but... we could've had Brandon Roy!!
Now we can watch in horror as Danny tries to salvage Celtic Nation's spirits with one of his patented trades..
Anyone got an over and under until those stupid CelticsBlah fucks begin firing out their predictions of greatness?
Is Roy Hibbert out in this draft? I think he coul d be a better pick up than Oden... He hustles down the floor and All through out throught the tourney Oden's team played better with him in foul trouble on the bench...But then again I'm just an idiot.
Before Danny trades for Keith Van Horn or Michael Doleac, he will tell the media how he had hoped for a top five pick.
The pick HAS to be traded. There's no way this franchise can go forward with yet another fucking project and further pleas for patience from the stupid shits in the front office.
Could this be the end of the "happy camper" bullshit as Chestnutt called it from the Kool-Aid crew? Will Celtics fans demand drastic change and accountability from this organization? Ainge fucked up and didn't get lucky enough to walk ass-backwards into a respectable legacy. He got what he deserved tonight.
Good question, EJ.
Let me pose it to some of our favorite lurkers.
When are you going to man up and admit that Ainge and the Banker Boy have fucked this franchise up beyond all recognition?
When are you going to get off the company payroll and begin demanding accountability for the demolition of a proud NBA franchise?
So we get Telfailure and Portland gets Raef and Oden?
"Anyone got an over and under until those stupid CelticsBlah fucks begin firing out their predictions of greatness?
Jungle Jim | 05.22.07 - 9:26 pm | # "
There were those preaching it even before the lottery, with or without Oden or Durant. You see, last year was just because of injuries. Just ask Doc.
We shoulda sent Telfair to represent the C's at the lottery. Afterall, he was a major contributor to the final tank effort.
I did find it fitting that it was Brandon Roy who saw Portland getting that pick while Boston got the #5.
Sad to see people with so little pride that they humiliate themselves with moronic statements like that, Scintan.
The gig is up. Grousbeck, Ainge and Rivers have done enough damage to this franchise. Get rid of every last fucking one of them.
Luckily, our problems are solved. Daveisceltics on Realgm proposes that we trade Gerald Green and the #5 pick to Seattle for the #2, since "They (Seattle) obviously need more than one impact player to be good next year."
fucking idiots
The fucking dolt moderators on RealBM are shitcanning anyone with a discouraging word over there.
I refuse to lower myself to checking all the idiotic bullshit on CelticsBlah.
There is no intellectual argument that can be offered in defense of the Three Fucking Stooges running this ballclub.
Somewhere tonight, Red is smoking a stogie and telling Bias and Reggie, "Look at it this way. At least we don't have to watch that bullshit in person."
I'm in the Celticsblah chat right now. They're blasting Stern for rigging the lottery and plotting to draft Conley so that Oden will force a trade to Boston...sigh...
Yeah. Mike Conley will help this team get to about 28 wins next year.
Dolts, one and all.
Here's a note to all those whining fucks.
Stern didn't destroy the Boston Celtics. Wyc Grousbeck and Danny Ainge did, aided and abetted by Doc Rivers.
Dumbshits.
Getting the 5th pick has taken years off of Tommy Heinson's life. I say he keels over yelling at the broadcaster's table by game number 6 in the season
Well I'm going to have to agree that Boston needs to try to make a trade. Even if healthy this team was going to win 30-35 games - and the 5th pick won't improve that outlook very much.
Additionally, the 5th pick will most likely be another PROJECT. My god I am tired of hearing that word. If they could get Gasol for the 5th and any part of the massive heap of crap that lost 18 straight they've got to do it. Maybe Seattle with Durant and Allen will look to move Lewis. Why Memphis or Seattle would trade these players for our pick + our crap is beyond me, but hopefully someone out there overvalues Green and Rondo and/or others...
Pierce's deal has crippled the Celtics' ability to improve via free agency, the team is just mediocre enough to prevent it from drastically improving via the draft - and unless there is a fucking miracle and Rondo, Green, Kendrick freaking Perkins and Tony Fucking Allen morph into all-stars - this team is fucked without a trade.
Due to the poor showing of the kids in Pierce's absence, I doubt that the kids even have enough value to be included as a key part in a deal for a star.
So according to my count we have a shitty 24-win team, a bunch of players that aren't valuable enough to bring back good players in a trade, no salary cap flexibility, and we got deuced on in the lottery. FUCK
Well, at least we have a GM that we can always count on to make excellent trades.....Oh wait.... FUCK AGAIN!!
How long until we become the "Las Vegas Celtics"?
Danny and Doc need to be fired, then we just have to ride out this wave of shit and rebuid the way Chicago has.
Oh I almost forgot Option C: Trade Pierce, blow up the team, build through high lottery picks.
The Celtics demonstrated last year that they are about a 6-win team without Pierce and since they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't since they didn't get 1 or 2 - The logical thing to do (as it has been for years) - would be to blow up the team.
But our GM + Owner team doesn't have the nuts to seriously rebuild this team.
Exactly Anon. It'll take the team at least until Pierce's extention runs out to recover from this shitshow.
Jim, I think this post has a good start on your "internet dolt of the day" competition:
"Good post, especially the part in bold. In some respects, getting the 5th pick is a positive for Ainge, at least in terms of hi-lighting Ainge's value to the team. I don't agree with a lot of what Ainge has done since coming to Boston, but the one thing he has been great at is finding gems in the draft. Had we gotten the number one pick in the draft, Ainge's one true talent as a general manager would have been wasted this draft. Now he gets his chance to work his magic and maybe find a player at 5 that should have been drafted top 3."
For the love of God, Scintan, you're right. That is one of the dumbest Internet posts I've ever seen.
I have to acknowledge that the Anon above, who makes a good point, is not me.
Anyhow, Bob Ryan writes, "Was it decided that 16 championships in 30 years was somehow unfair and obscene, and that enough was enough and the Celtics are never going to get another break again and that's that?"
Uhm, no, Bob, but the way the Celts Sebastian Tankfaired the end of the season was certainly obscene enough to preclude deserving any breaks in the lottery.
It's staggering, really, when you stop and catalog the damage done to this franchise, and it isn't about luck, with all due respect to Bob Ryan.
The only path now is to start dealing. See if you can get Memphis drunk enough to move Gasol, and unlimber the check book enough for a veteran 1 or 2.
My guess, though, is that the fucking cheapskate at the helm will continue pimping potential to the Legion of Fucking Dolts who've bought into that nonsense for the past four years.
I can't get over this tanking thing. Do we all really believe that Danny's going to call Coc into his office and say, "OK, you can go ahead and start winning now." What will be the excuse this time? Oh yeah, we didn't get Oden or Durant.
I think it was a hush hush agreement. Coc sat out his entire starting lineup during the 4th quarter of games in an attempt to tank and his ass-buddy Danny acknowledged that this was indeed what he wanted. I'm not sure anyone ever explicitly said "Let's tank!!" Coc, a coach who isn't fit for much more than tanking was extended as a reward for tanking and putting Danny in a position to come out of rolling around in shit smelling like roses.
THEN - The Celtics crapped out in the lottery and got the 5th pick. And now Danny has a shitty coach that he kept around only because he thought he was getting Oden or Durant.
I mean it's possible that I'm just pissed off and not thinking rationally but am I too far off-base here?
I'd like to conclude this venting session with a simple message: Fuck you, Danny!
Also is it fair to combine last year's Telfair trade with the results of this year's lottery? I know I'm reaching here, but:
Dickau, Raef, Roy, Oden
for
Telfair, Ratliff, #5 pick
Are the Celtics officially dumber than the Knicks yet?
I don't know if we've ever been any further away from a banner than we are today.
I need a laugh. Somebody post some of the stupid homer bullshit on CelticsBlah so I can laugh at the dolts.
I thought the 18 in a row was bad...just when you think things can't get anyworse...What's next? Danny fires Doc the hires Mike Fratello? Or worse Gerald Green becomes the next player-coach? Maybe David Stern will resign as comissioner and then take over as GM for Danny??
Hey Jungle here's your laugh:
"Despite having the second best opportunity mathematically to land one of the top two spots, the Celtics fell to fifth while GM Danny Ainge idiotically tried to put a spin on the situation by saying he feels like the Celtics are already a playoff team."
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/a...cles/
7007430241
Ainge is a fucking idiot. He has to go.
We're stuck with Ainge. And Coc. Get used to it. If I can live with the Old Bag, you guys can live with them. By the way, it took the fifth pick for the Bag to extract a booger from her nose last night. Go Green!
Anybody who still thinks the Celtics didn't tank the end of the season is a fucking idiot. Tankfair played 33 minutes the night they sealed the second worst record. The next night he played seven minutes and Al Jeff came back from his "practice injury."
Oh, and I have to agree with EJ: Fuck you, Danny.
If you heard Maxwell and Ainge on WEEI today, you might have gotten the sense that reality is setting in. Maxwell doesn't think this is a playoff team this season without more moves than just the pick, and Ainge all but lost it regarding the fans and patience.
I think Ainge knows his ass is on the line.
Brian Hill gets fired for making the playoffs. Doc gets and extension for tanking the season.
Anyhow, I'd like to hear more about Ainge losing it.
And another thing, as commentator on TNT Danny ridiculed the Celts repeatedly while covering them in the playoffs. And now after five years of his leadership, after having the second worst record in the NBA, he insists we believe that these laughingstocks, who embarrassed the sport by tanking the season, are a playoff team merely because he says so.
Hey, Danny, fuck you.
nbadraft.net has us taking Aaron Brooks with our 2nd round pick, whose best NBA comparison is Earl Boykins. Kill me now.
Oh man, I missed it on WEEI! Did Danny pull a Rick Patino?? How can he complain about our Patience?? It's been 20 years since we've won a championship and 19 since we've been a contender, unless you count a couple of fluke years. All I know is if I did such a shitty job at something as Danny has done I'd quit, I'd be too embarrassed with myself.
Maravich, got to weei.com and access the audio vault. They've probably got the interview there.
Thanks Scintan
I propose Dr. Chestnutt's next article be titled "Fuck You, Danny."
With the forward by Wyc Grousbeck, entitled "I'm a cheap, lying bastard."
Ooooh. Tbe Maxwell comments - which I totally agree with, BTW - aren't going to sit well with the Legion of Dolts, who are already trying to convince themselves that this was a playoff team before injuries struck down such stalwarts as "Fuck him up" Allen and Kendrick "My shooting range is shorter than my dick" Perkins.
Here's a special Memorial Day "Internet Dolt of the Holiday Weekend" post.
"Since the disappointment of the draft lottery, I've been searching for "the answer" for the magical roster change to make Celtics contenders. And while this may be a hard pill to swallow, I'm starting to think the team should do nothing right now.
I posted the other day that it concerns me that Pierce will be 30 years old before the season (should we trade him?). Or we could take another route
and add a veteran ... we're all excited about the idea of adding KG or
J.O'Neal to the team.
But the bottom line in all of these discussions is that we don't want to "overpay" for what we add to the team this offseason. If we bring in a vet, we don't want to give up too much. If we did trade Pierce, we don't want pennies on the dollar.
What if we do nothing?
We add the #5 pick. Should be a very attractive player available, and drafting plays to Ainge's strengths.
We add the #32 pick. We take another shot in the 2nd Round and see if Danny keeps the streak alive.
We go into the season and see if Wally is healthy. If he is, he can help our team. And either way (healthy or not), he's only on the books for another year past this upcoming one. Wally is going to start being attractive as an expiring contract as the months go by.
We keep Theo. He's going to expire this year. And if we don't get a great deal to trade him, we keep him and see if teams change their minds closer to the trading deadline.
We see Jefferson start a season with every reason to think he'll average 17-8.
We see what Gerald brings to the table in year 3. Can he be consistent?
We see a healthy Perk & Tony Allen.
We see Rondo in his 2nd year.
We still have all of our draft picks in upcoming years and the future Minny pick.
The bottom line - there's no reason to be desperate. (Had to remind myself of this.) The team should listen to offers, maybe propose some aggresive options to add a veteran at minimal cost.
BUT, there's no disaster in keeping our assets and letting them mature."
Of course, this pearl of stupidity on RealBM is followed by several posts - including one from the erstwhile moderator Super Dipshit, er, Deluxe - agreeing with the OP, and bemoaning all the unfortunate pressure AFTER FOUR FUCKING YEARS OF FAILURE that poor Danny Ainge faces.
Goddam, some of these people are stupid.
you guys were right all along, were DOOMED! DOOMED I SAY, DOOMED!
sincerely,
celticsblah
You know, if someone visited Wyc's private board - otherwise known as Celtics Blah - and trolled like that, Jeff, your stormtroopers would roll him out of there faster than Sebustian Telfailure can load his Glock.
Ban someone tonight, Jeff. It'll help you deal with the disappointment of being consistently wrong about the Celtics.
Wrong, Jeff. "We're a playoff team." We just don't happen to make the playoffs.
Ah, yes. We're a playoff team just beset with injuries that keep us out of the playoffs.
And we have terrific young talent that is the envy of the NBA.
Never mind the fact that never do the two meet in the illogical world of Grousbeck apologists.
It must really be ego-brusing to be wrong all the time.
Yes! The youth on this team is so awesome, Danny's drafting so excellent, that the young guys actually, most of the time, beat out veterans Michael Olowakandi and Brian Scalabrine for starting roles.
And furthermore, Celtics young "star" point guard Sebustian Telfailure, in merely 20 undeserved minutes per game, averaged nearly as many rebounds as veteran power forward Brian Scalabrine in similar undeserved minutes per game. Yes, "Fuck you" Danny Ainge has assembled a great cast of youngsters.
Can someone explain to me why people on RealBM and Celticsblah think that other NBA teams are interested in Boston's "assets"? These kids just got creamed for 18 straight losses. Just a few months ago Wigglesfuck was chewing people out on RealBM for suggesting that Kendrick Perkins wasn't viewed as more than a throwin in any potential trades. I'd be willing to bet my own life that no NBA GM has ever hung up the phone because Danny refused to include Kendrick Perkins in a trade.
Basically Danny has spent 4 years acquiring "assets" - except his assets don't have enough value to bring back anything we'd want, like Marion or KG. So, his assets have no value, and in addition to that, they suck so badly that they won 24 games. Nice job Danny, I can see why RealBM and Celticsblah blindly support your every move. As usual - Fuck You, Danny, you suck
Also how has JSimon not gotten the Internet Dolt of the Day award yet? His head is so far up Ainge's ass it's ridiculous.
"If we get KG without giving up Jefferson or Rondo, I guess I'm on board. Reluctantly." - JSimon, RealBM
How could you be so attached to Gomes, Telfair, Green, West, and Allen that you'd have to think, even for a second, about trading them for KG?
Good point, EJ. I've got to take him off ignore - along with several other dumb fucks over there.
As for Wigglesfuck, he's the idiot by which all other Celtics fans will have their moronic homer bullshit stupidity judged in perpetuity.
That dumbshit predicted a 53-29 record for this fucking mess of a team this year.
And good old Jim reduced him to a quivering mess of ectoplasm by agreeing.
The Celtics will win 53 games total - just not sure in what season number 53 will arrive.
Yeah, the team will have to win 29 games next year to get to 53 in two years. If Pierce so much as sprains an ankle it might not happen..
God, I am gasping for air, I am laughing so hard.
This one goes into the Internet Dumbfuck Hall of Fame:
http://celtics.realgm.com/articl...ys_worst_moves/
Elrod Enchilada, a real ringleader in the Danny Defense Society. I'm surprised he isn't a CelticsBlah moderator.
Elrod's just another idiot who continues to defend trades that even Ainge has admitted were bad. That tells you all you need to know about him. Ainge has conceded that the first Walker trade was bad. Any homer who doesn't admit to the same, obvious conclusion, should be banned from ever working in a job involving even the most mundane of decisions. Anything above the mental gymnastics caused by asking "Do you want fries with that?" should be barred from these clowns.
Or perhaps Elrod could be Secretary of State or work in the Department of "Justice". Maybe there's an opening at FocksNews?
LOL - I'm not sure what's funnier, Will "Wigglestrue" Roberts predicting that last year's abomination would go 53-29 - or Elrod claiming that Walker for Raef, who was in the 2nd year of a 7-year $70million dollar deal and fresh off a career best season in which he averaged 13ppg 7rpg - could go down as "one for the ages"
I'm pretty sure Danny could've traded for some late first round picks without taking on one of the worst contracts in the entire league for a player who was going to expire at the end of the season. Hell, if he could put together a winning season he'd EARN all the late first round picks he ever wanted. Winning is apparantly out of the question with this team, though.
FAR more important to protect one's ego than it is to have a serious, accurate conversation about the Boston Celtics, as we've seen here in the not too distant past.
Elrod is what he is: Yet another Celtics homer who isn't about to admit that he's been Don Rumsfeld-style consistently wrong about this franchise.
He's most assuredly not alone.
For your reading hilarity, I highly recommend the self-congratulatory bullshit that follows Elrod's ignorance on RealBM.
Two really big laughs in one weekend. You can't buy idiots like these.
Be sympathetic to Elrod. All the spinning and lies might have given him cancer like it did to Tony Snow.
Fuck you, Danny.
I don't visit RealBM often, so maybe one of you guys could propose this trade:
Our #5 pick + Telfair + TA + Rondo + Perk + West + Green + Ray + Powe + Scal + Wally + Kandi + Theo...
for...
Portland's #1 pick.
Because, you know, we have all these assets.
Oh, I almost forgot: Fuck you, Danny.
His bullshit is so simplistic and so ignorant of the performance on the floor that he must be getting two free courtside seats from Wyc.
This nonsense is from Shocker on RealBM. I'm guessing Vicodin and vodka produced this brilliance:
"Danny has proven he can judge draft talent effectively and get players who perform above their picks, and with this being an extremely deep draft combined with the fact outside of top 2 many players seem to be around same talent level.
Trade
To Philly
#5 2007 draft
#32 2007 draft
Theo Ratliff
Sebastion Telfair
Allan Ray
To Boston
Samuel Dalembert
Kevin Ollie
#12
#21
#30
Then with the 3 picks, go with something like
Thaddeus Young
Rudy Fernandez/Josh McRoberts/Acie Law
Sean Williams/Morris Almond/Nick Fazekas"
Today's winner for "Dolt of the Day" is Darth Celtic from Real BM, for this self-indulgent post about how to become a moderator on "the best Real GM board."
If that one's the best, someone remind me to stay the hell away from the others.
"you become a mod by being involved in a board, not getting warnings of any kind, acting mature,(editor's note: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) and showing you can argue a point without making it personal. Now, at times we'll put up an announcement that we are thinking about getting another mod, and one of us will say you can pm us if interested, we then take all our guys, and all the guys that pm'd us, and decide among ourselves who the best 2-3 guys are, then we go to howard and he interviews and decides.
Haha, because Darth never insults people, calls topics stupid, or locks threads because he doesn't agree with them.
Also Anon - I'm pretty sure if I proposed that trade on RealBM, Wigglestrue and JSimon would reply within 15 minutes asking me why I'd include a lock-down post defender (Perkins), a lockdown wing defender who can score 25ppg (Allen), the next Nash once he develops a jumpshot (Rondo), Wally who is still capable of being the team's second scorer if healthy, and a shot at Yi Jainlin, who I am pretty sure they think is a lock for 30ppg 15rpg - just for Oden!! Then if I or anyone else used a modicum of logic or reason in a response darth, superdeuce, and the rest of the mod crew wouldn't be far behind with their sarcastic, yet fatally flawed arguments.
We'll see how this offseason plays out, but I'm pretty sure when it's all said and done we'll still be saying "fuck you, Danny"
Yeah. It will surprise me if Ainge makes any moves to actually improve the product on the floor.
They'll draft Yi - why? kind of poetic, isn't it? - or some major project like Julian Wright, then resume the "Oh, my God. Isn't all our young talent exciting?" drum.
And the lemmings at CelticsBlah and RealBM will fall in line, like Republicans on Iraq.
And we'll lose 50 or more games. And the Doomers will continue to laugh at the stupdity of the Aingeistas.
I can see why jungle jim can't post in the other forum. Can't get a sentence out without the word fuck. And sounds like an incoherent dumbfuck when talking politics...or anything else for that matter. I'm sure that those two patriots, (you know, the drunk that should be in prison...and Pariah Lurch, who voted for it before he voted against it..)not to mention the limp-wristed congressman that you blindly vote for while you're going down 495 would "lead" us a whole lot better....while they bankrupt people with actual jobs....I'm sure you think they could do a whole lot better than the current C's management.
Not everybody wants to hear your ignorance, jim. I check in every once in awhile to see if the good Doctor has something to say. Then just read piles and piles of blithering profane lunacy from all of the ignoramouses who have the combined vocabulary of a gangsta rapper...and thankfully don't post on the other forum. Think you can make your point with Dictionary words??...just for fun?
We don't miss you, jim.
"I can see why jungle jim can't post in the other forum. Can't get a sentence out without the word fuck...
We don't miss you, jim.
shak | 05.30.07 - 4:54 pm | # "
Given the the post just above yours was from Jim and didn't contain a single usage of the word "fuck", perhaps the dumb fuck is you....
Always good to hear from the CelticsBlah idiots, including the ringmaster.
Keep them coming, morons.
Chuckle. Well said, Scintan - as usual.
The pain of ignorance about all things Celtics, politics and apparently punctuation continues to be all-pervasive among the faithful few who still believe.
I find it amusing to watch people who've gone through the past two seasons of 33 and 24 wins turn around and call the people who've been saying that the team is not that good and wasn't going to be winning 40+ games "ignorant".
Me too, Scintan.
Hey, guys. Newbie here. Longtime college coach and Celtics fan heartsick over the excuses being made for what Wyc and Ainge have done to this franchise.
And former CelticsBlah - hahaha, love that - member who's tired of the basketball ignorance on the net.
You guys have a great site. More basketball wisdom in this thread than CelticsBlah and RealGM combined. All the proof you need is the nitwits from those boards trolling this thread. They're jealous.
Travel a lot. Can't post much. But love the dialogue. Wish you guys were running the club.
Welcome aboard, Truth. Good to have another coach involved.
You'll find a lot of honesty here about the Celtics that you certainly won't find anywhere else on the net.
We're all pretty like-minded here, but all opinions are welcome.
You'll also find that we're about demanding accountability - instead of offering up disingenuous excuses - for the mess the Celtics are in.
Good to have you, Truth.
Thank you, Jim.
One more thing before my next trip:
Loved your analogy about the Republicans - nothing could be more spot on.
But here's the thing: Neither group is ever going to admit they were wrong - the Ainge defenders or the 28 percenters. It's probably a waste of time trying to convince them.
You guys have a perfect handle on the state of the Celtics. Keep stating your case, and keep irritating those who don't get it.
Adios for a spell.
Isn't that precious, Shak missed Jim so much that he left his native Celticsblog and read 240 replies here so that he could figure out what Jim had been talking about since he left Celticsblah - and then all he could comment on was the usage of the word "fuck" and Jim's political discourse. In other words, Shak was completely wrong about the Celtics and wanted to turn this into a personal battle. Also, speaking of dictionary words, it's "Ignoramus", jackass!
Almost forgot: Fuck you, Danny! And if anyone is interested in a good laugh, just cut and paste Shak's post into Word and run a spell check. He wrote about 3 sentences and my spell/grammar check lit up double digit times. Nice work, Shak, it almost takes skill to type like that much of a dumbfuck!!
I'm so deeply flattered to have a fan, albeit an illiterate one.
Truth, your point is well-taken. The anonymity of the Internet allows even the most absurd of posters to escape accountability for their errors.
I suspect we're all frustrated by the clear lack of progress this franchise is making. Especially today, when rumors surfaced that the idiot GM is preparing to throw the draft pick away on a massive Chinese project - and the resurfacing of trade rumors surrounding the one consistent player we have.
No argument here with trading Pierce - I just fear that it will be for more draft picks, or some ridiculous return like Earl Boykins, or a combination thereof.
And lest I forget:
Fuck you, Danny.
Well, at least there is still plenty of time before the draft. After workouts Yi could fall right off the radar. Then again, Danny is a fucking idiot, so chances are he has already made up his mind. Afterall, we did all know he was going to draft Marcus Banks ages before the draft, too.
Ugh. I have to agree with that, EJ. I have this awful feeling that the idiot is going to draft the Chinese Hank Finkel.
BTW, no need yesterday to announce an Internet Dolt of the Day.
He announced himself.
Stay tuned for today's dumbass Celtics post of the day.
Ding, ding, ding.
Today's winner is "Gerald Green 5" from Real BM
"It's amazing how the grass is always greener on the other side. There's no one in this draft outside of Durant who has Gerald's scoring ability. Outside of the top 2, every player in this draft either has loads of holes (see Brewer, Cory) just like Gerald, or has limited upside (see Green, Jeff)."
How about Pierce, the #5 pick, and the rights to Wigglestrue and Darth Celtic for Kobe?
LA gets a player who will replace 80% of Kobe's effectiveness, a draft pick that will enable them to draft a PF to replace Kwame Brown, and 2 fanbois who will blindly support their incompetent GM's every move, with years of experience defending Pierce as if their life depended on it.
Boston gets a chance to sniff a .500 record again, and a player who virtually ensures that Allen and Green never dribble the ball, and Rondo and Perkins never shoot it. Also Pierce is from Inglewood so he'd enjoy going to LA, and Boston fans already chant "MVP" for Kobe anyways so the transition would be a natural one.
Damn, man, that is pure genius.
LA gets a good player, a good pick and a couple of 50 IQ hangers-on to blow Jerry Buss and Phillip at every turn.
Make it happen, Danny.
EJ, HAHAHA!! great post. I'm on board with trading everything but Al for Kobe we'll throw in the scoreboard, the dancers, a sycophant owner, and about 10 "blogs" devoted to how great the Celtics and Danny Ainge are.
for a laugh listen to CSL. One of the hosts was claiming Oden or Durant would have prevented the Celtics from becoming a running team and the Celts are better off without them. HAHAHHAHAHA!!!!
Anyone got an over and under on the first idiotic comparison between Lebron and a Celtics slug?
I can see it now: "Delonte West is a poor man's Lebron James."
I'll bet $10 on the under at 24 hours, $10 on the player being Gerald Green, and $10 on the forum being RealBM. I'd also like to parlay those 3 bets for an additional $10.
Also at 10:1 odds, I'll put down another $10 that the poster will be PierceAinge17.
My prediction: "LeBron was awesome last night! He is the man at driving! If he had Gerald's athleticism, he'd be better than Jordan right now!"
"How about them apples? Before this is over, he'll be better than both those players!" - PierceAinge17
LeBron only wishes he had Gerald's athleticism and Delonte's basketball IQ (not to mention Scal's intangibles).
Wait a minute...
Wait...
Wait...
WAIT FOR IT!!!
Here comes...
FUCK YOU DANNY!!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Our "Internet Dolt of the Day" winner, from Celtic-Nation.com
DnnyBoy - hence the flaws. He thinks the below deal is "giving up the farm" for Kevin Garnett.
"Billy, we would be trading the farm for Garnett! How many quality years does he have left??? (Not to mention the cap hit we would take.)
I'm tired of potential players as much as the next guy but come on...
Wally and Ratliff are expendable. But to give up on Green and whoever we pick at #5 would be suicide in the tradition of trades like where we gave away Chauncey Billups and Joe Johnson.
Be patient man. With a roster full of healthy players the Celts will prove that we have a team full of ready talent. Don't give in to Paul Pierce's wants. It would be nice to have a big name veteran, but not at the expense of all we worked so hard for (Green) and what we didn't work so hard for (#5 pick)."
Try not to yank your hair out over this one.
With that said, Celtic Nation is one of the good forums out there, with intelligent moderators who understand basketball - and the Celtics mess.
Recommend it highly.
looks like Ainge is going to give up Corey Brewer for Robert Swift or Nick Collison. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
It's going to take 15 years to get over the shit Ainge has done to this franchise.
None of the stupid shit I hear attached to Ainge surprises me.
That would be very little value for the 5, but who among us thinks Ainge will actually do something intelligent with the pick anyway?
It'll be fun to watch the CelticsBlah and RealBM dumbfucks try to defend that one.
That would be very little value for the 5, but who among us thinks Ainge will actually do something intelligent with the pick anyway?
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Probably the same number of people who think you would actually post something intelligent.
Nice, a complete sentence with no spelling errors. I can see you've been practicing. Keep up the good work!
Dictionaries work wonders, as does spell-check.
In a way, this part of the season is a blessing. Sure, the Celtics aren't anywhere remotely near playing in the NBA finals - but since other teams are still playing - it is actually against the rules for Danny to make an ill-advised trade. We won't be as fortunate, and will be living in constant fear all summer as absurd rumors around the league begin to pick up steam. Think about it. It's only June and we've already heard "Nate Robinson" and "Robert Swift". This could get real ugly.
Another RealBM idiot, responding to another idiotic trade post - this time Kobe and 19 for Pierce, Green, Allen and 5:
34Celtic is today's Internet Dolt of the Day:
"we can't give up both...I think I'd rather have GG because of his upside."
Watching "Celtics Dynasty" right now on NBA-TV.
Red, Russell, Havlicek. all the great moments.
And it brings home - even more vividly - how ineptly and incompetently this team is being operated by the idiot in the owners office and the even bigger moron in the GM's office.
And to think that this kind of management incompetence, which has turned this franchise into a cartoon of its former self, is tolerated and even defended by some is simply mind-boggling.
To the defenders of the morons running this franchise, what say you? How in hell can you defend Grousbeck and Ainge?
JJ, if you want to see how the homers can defend them, just go take a look at all the trade threads. Check this post out, for example:
"Jefferson and the 5 for LeBron James"
There are others from various sites, but I think that this sort of thinking goes a long way to explaining it.
I imagine so, Scintan.
I can only assume it's one of two things:
- the young people who've never experienced the Celtics' success;
or
- the Internet "no one knows who I really am, so I don't have to ever admit that I'm an idiot who wouldn't understand basketball if one hit me in the face" crowd.
Or both, since some of our friendly boards seem to require both for registration.
Immersed amidst all the stupdity on Real BM this morning is this thread title:
"Danny Ainge: Liar or Idiot," by Grant Long for President.
Could it be? A sighting of intelligent life on Real BM?
I would love to get LeBron, but we can't give up Al or Delonte or Perk or Gerald or TA or Rondo or Powe or Allan Ray. We have to keep this nucleus together! How about Scal and the #5? Well, we would miss Scal's intangibles. Telfair and the #5? Well, we might need Bastardy to help us tank next season. How 'bout Kandi?
Hahaha Anon. That is the gist of pretty much every trade proposal on RealBM. I could see being mystified by the potential of young players on the hometown team - but how these morons ever convinced themselves that Leon Powe is a valuable asset to this team is beyond me. I remember after the Celtics drafted him someone on RealBM said "This guy sounds like another Amare Stoudemire." Yeah, exactly what I think of when I watch Leon Powe. Amare fucking Stoudemire!!
Also Grant Long For President's post was good. Why do we know who the Celtics are going to draft almost every year? When the Patriots go up to draft no one has any idea who they are going to pick. How could it possibly help for Danny to sit around saying who he likes in the draft?
Fuck you Danny!
I've said it before I'll say it a thousand times: no more friggen trades! Keep this pick and keep the picks from the next 8 straight lotteries, by the time Al Jefferson is retiring we'll be a competitive team. Rebuild the way Chicago has. This team sucks don't fall into any trade bullshit looking for a quick fix. Let us get better naturally!
Fuck you Danny!
The Old Bag and a pile of crap for LeBron and Cleveland's #1.
Or both, since some of our friendly boards seem to require both for registration.
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I think you'd still be posting on those other boards, Jim, if your posts were like your last few. Plenty of arguments on the other blogs. Without all of the profanity.
I can't defend what Ainge and Grousbeck are doing either. I'm glad the tanking didn't work.
Your spelling is really improving, shak. Now, enjoy your pretending that old Jim ever wanted to remain among the basketball unwashed.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
A few of Jim's favorite Internet bits:
Kobe for Telfair, Ratliff and the 5.
Can't give up Green. Too much upside. Never mind that Green can't spell upside, or pronounce it correctly.
Can't give up West. Tattoo-encrusted guards with no right hand are too hard to find. Can't give up Perkins. Centers who are too big a pussy to play on a sore foot have upside.
I trust Danny to draft the best player available.
Wyc is cool. He gives me two free tickets if I can keep the naysayers off my Internet page.
Oh, yeah.
Fuck you, Danny.
I guess my misspelling of one word trumps your gangsta rapper vocabulary and deep, deep thought processes (Fuck you Danny ad nauseum) concerning the Celtics.
Funny, Ol' Jim was a regular poster on those blogs of the basketball unwashed....Until his vocabulary got him banished.
Wow, that last post showed the amazing depth of NBA knowledge that only you possess, Jim.
So who should Danny choose with the 5th pick, Jim?
Maravich - I think that isn't a bad plan. The part I don't agree with is keeping Pierce and also building through the draft. If the Celtics are going to rebuild through the draft, their job will be considerably more difficult with Pierce on board. When healthy, and he has been for most of his career - Pierce virtually guarantees at least 32 wins. Pathetic, yes, but that is the reality of the situation. It's not easy to build a contender with the 13th pick in the draft every year.
If the plan is to build through the draft, why not deal Pierce and do it right? Get a few top 5 picks in a row. THAT is what Chicago did. Boston is drafting worthless high school kids like Perkins late in the first round and praying that they pan out. If they're gonna keep Pierce - then get him some players and lets at least make this fun. If they want to get serious and rebuild, deal Pierce and let's do it right.
This mediocrity bullshit (oh my god Shak swears) has gone on long enough. Bring in vets, get competitive for a while, get Pierce some help - I don't think it will work, but that's besides the point - or blow this disaster up, get rid of Ainge and rebuild right.
Almost forgot: Fuck You, Danny
Hahahahahahaha.
Congratulations, Shak. You've hit the magic trifecta.
Add liar to illiterate and basketball stupid.
Nice.
Oops.
Fuck you, Danny.
But, hey, Jeff.
Oops, Shak.
Drop by any time.
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Well, EJ, it's going to take a new general manager to move Pierce and actually rebuild. All you're going to get with the Idiot is a new record for the fewest wins in NBA history if he moves Pierce.
I'm not opposed to moving Pierce, but as long as we're saddled with the Abbott and Costello of NBA management, moving Pierce won't accomplish anything.
And in closing:
Fuck you, Danny.
When did I say anything about bringing in vets? I must have missed that post.
I would get the best possible 4-5 available in the draft, get a coach with above-AAU level game-management skills, and teach a defensive system ad-nauseum that would have 4s and 5s in actual rebounding position when the shot goes up.
For the record, as long as Rivers is this team's coach, it really doesn't matter who they bring in. If Rivers had the All-NBA first team, he'd have a 50/50 chance of winning the division.
I agree with shak that this team needs a defensive clue. But they already may have a top 4-5 guy in Al Jeff, who has shown an excellent ability to grab rebounds. I think the team's current personality requires a defensive scheme that can be understood by persons with 8th grade educations, like Perk, Al, Gerald, Bastardy, etc. Some veteran leadership, which was fundamental to the Celts' surprising run to the Eastern Conference Finals a few years ago, might also help in this case
Also, fuck you, Danny.
EJ, There is no way Danny will ever deal pierce just like there is no way that Danny will ever make sound decisions to build a good franchise. The best bet for this team is to draft oden...oops...I forgot the lottery was rigged for a second. But the real best thing that can happen for this team in the short-term is to keep pierce hope big Al stays healthy, ANd pick up 2 key free agents this year...There are some good ones available....You could get Billups back. If Yi can even be a 12-8 guy they should be able to get 38-42 wins which in the east might be a 5 seed. But in all honestly you might as well stick a fork in em untill danyy leaves. Just hope the Wyc's will stay away from former players turned gm's and get a real b-ball mind in the system.
Oh Yeah I guess I'll keep the Trend
FUCK YOU DANNY....im out
So you think the draft shouldn't have been rigged? When there were teams not only looking like they were tanking, but reporting it? The C's got what they deserved. Actually what happenned to Minny in the Joe Smith fiasco is what they deserved.
The odds of any decent free agent wanting to play for Rivers is less than zero.
No shit. What self-respecting free agent would want to come to a team that just blatantly and unapologetically tanked the last half of last season?
Fuck you, Danny.
http://www.celticsblog.com/index...64&
topic=5657.0
Ok, haloscan has eaten my follow up text, twice. It was supposed to read:
Check out the original post on this thread. I'm curious as to where some of you would differ.
Well, scintan, I'd have to have absolutely nothing better to do and probably be strapped to my chair with toothpicks holding my eyes open to be forced to read the kool-aid drunk crap that appears on CelticsBlah forum, but in glancing at it I would say, Ok, Danny's a great trader and a great drafter and, yes, the Celtics, in Danny's fourth year as GM, just finished tanking a season in which they lost 18 games in a row and finished with the second worst record, a season which featured the incredible talents of Michael Olowakandi, Brian Scalabrine, Allan Ray, Sebustian Telfailaure, Theo Ratliff's corpse, Wally Szcszcerbiak's Paris Hilton ankles, Kendrick Perkins's plantar fascitis hands, Rajon Rondo's jumpshot, Delonte West's right hand, The Allan Ray Point Guard Experiment, Gerald Green's defense, Leon Powe's passing, Doc Rivers's "X's and O's and Substitutions don't really matter" coaching...and, did I mention Brian Scalabrine? Not only do they suck, but Danny has assembled a team on which Kevin Gamble would probably be the intellectual leader and Kedrick Brown would probably average 18 minutes a game.
That was Ainge propaganda. By my count, 11 of the 16 trades listed were of so little consequence that they really shouldn't even be included. I just can't get excited because we have a GM capable of turning Walter McCarty into a second round pick, which was considered a win. How about the fact that Ainge resigned McCarty in the first place? I couldn't believe it at the time.
Bell/Jones for Perkins/Banks is listed as a win. I have that one down as a huge failure. Anytime you have a chance to get Ridnour, Pietrus, West, Diaw, Outlaw, Barbosa, or Howard and you walk away with Perkins and Banks, you did not "win".
The 'Toine for Raef trade being listed as a "win" is laughable. His reasoning is that the crap that we took back with Raef was later flipped for picks that became West, Allen, and Rondo. If you're telling me that there was no other way to get picks in the 20-30 range in the first round in the NBA draft other than to take on Raef LaFrentz, in year 2 of a 7-year $70million dollar Mark Cuban deal - then I don't know what to tell you. Trading an expiring Walker for Raef and his crap deal was stupid, period, especially when you consider that it may have led to Wyc demanding that Ainge dump Raef's deal - leading to the disastrous Telfair trade.
We also all know that Danny got bent over in the Telfair trade, despite what we see on RealBM.
It is Danny's fault we have Raef in the first place, it was Danny's fault we resigned Blount, Danny's fault we now have Wally, Danny's fault we have Kandi, Telfair, Powe, Ray, and Scalabrine - it was Danny's fault we had Dan Dickau. It's even Danny's fault that Doc Rivers has been the coach and will continue to coach next year.
Anonymous gave a very good summary of what it was like watching this team last year. A good question for the OP would be: If Danny has gotten better than or equal to market value in 14 of his 16 trades - then how come the team he started with won 44 games and the team he has now is horrendous? What went wrong? He needs to assign more weight to collosal failures like Roy for Telfair and less weight to insignificant wins like McCarty for a 2nd if his analysis is going to have any real meaning.
Fuck You, Danny
MF - It'd be nice if we could sign Free Agents but with Pierce making $20 million per year, Wally cashing in at $12 million per, and Theo set to make $11.6 million - There just isn't any money to make a significant signing. As bad as this team is, they're a lot closer to the luxury tax than they are to being under the cap.
I guess Detroit could in theory sign and trade Billups for Ratliff/Green/West or something like that, but I'd imagine that most teams would prefer to just let their players walk than have to pay Theo's corpse $11.6 million for a year.
The thing with this team is that they are so fucked that there is no simple solution - no one trade that'd turn it all around, no free agent signing that could push it over the top. I just hope Danny or whoever replaces him can go two years without trading for a really bad contract. Then Wally and Theo will be off the books and it's possible that the Celtics could be back in the Free Agent game at that time.
EJ/MF you guys are right, I should have included "Fire managment" as the first major step in rebuilding, then get someone in here with common sense to make the decisions. We'd be 5-6 years away from being a playoff team and another 3-4 years from being a championship caliber team. Instead right now we're 4 years away from being the "Las Vegas Celtics"
Fuck you Danny!
Maravich - Excellent point. I don't doubt for a second that Banker Boy Wyc would move the franchise over to Vegas in a New York Stock Exchange minute if it meant he'd see a surplus in his savings account.
I wonder if we'll ever see the day when the fans of this team will call out Wyc for lying when he said that he was most concerned with winning and that he'd be willing to spend to win. How many years has he owned the team now, four? Nothing but lies, lies, and lies.
And of course, the 2nd worst record in the NBA.
Fuck You, Danny
whatever trade Ainge makes he better not give up Delonte. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Hahaha, yeah Willie, RealBM won't trade for Marion, who only averaged 18ppg, 10rpg, 2spg, 1.5bpg, shot 53% from the field, 80% from the line, came in 4th in DPOY voting, can defend 3 positions, and doesn't need the offense run through him to score...because they have to give up Delonte West. Delonte fucking West!!!
I don't think DWest is bad but when you have a chance to add Marion for Wang Zhi Zhi and Delonte West you do that. This team is horrible defensively and already has enough black holes on offense. Marion would improve the product on the floor greatly. I think even Doc could coach this team to 35 wins with Marion in the mix.
Earth to EJ: Theo's corpse's contract is being paid by insurance. That changes the dynamic quite a bit.
"Earth to EJ: Theo's corpse's contract is being paid by insurance. That changes the dynamic quite a bit.
shak | 06.11.07 - 4:03 pm | # "
Earth to Shak: Theo's corpse claims it wants to play again this season, meaning insurance wouldn't be covering the contract and your smartass response to EJ was uncalled for and inappropriate.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._to_play_again/
It would probably be better if you didn't post anything anymore, since everytime you do, you appear more and more like that dumbfuck you mentioned previously.
Theo's corpse being paid by insurance changes what dynamic? The Globe just reported that the Celtics get $4.5 million back from insurance because Ratliff could only play 2 games. That money still counts against the cap and is luxury-taxable.
Can you even trade a player who is being paid by insurance and still have insurance cover his contract? I still haven't seen that in writing anywhere.
From the RealGM article:
“Oh, yeah,” Ratliff said. “Definitely. There’s no doubt about that. I’m sure of that. I’m not ready to quit yet."
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Hmm...so he'll play 2 games next season, too?? What do you think the odds are that any franchise who owns his rights will let him smell a basketball court, Scintan?
I'd say a 4.5 million dollar savings changes the dynamic a whole lot. Salary cap or not. I guess we'll find out. But it's a safe bet he won't see a basketball court until his contract is up.
Inappropriate? About 275 of the 300 posts are inappropriate if we use your criteria.
Funny, Scintan, you make lucid and solid posts in the other blog without all the profanity. Then there's here...and you are the one who sounds dumb. But I digress.
Shak - What dynamic are you talking about? He played two games last year and the Celtics still owed him $7 million dollars. His entire salary, $11.66 million, counted against the salary cap and had the Celtics have been in the luxury tax range, would've been luxury taxable.
Saving $4.5 million through insurance does not get the Celtics under the salary cap, and does not enable them to sign any free agents worth more than the MLE. So that can't be the dynamic you were referring to.
So, for example, if the Suns wanted to trade Marion for Ratliff/our crap/the #5 - even if Ratliff hurt himself and didn't play one second all season and insurance were to cover the entire thing - his salary would still count in full value against the cap and would still be counted in the luxury tax calculations.
If a team wants to get out of tax range - Theo isn't the answer. I don't understand how the insurance policy works exactly - but the only way that I could see this being appealing to a team is if they were already under the luxury tax threshold and were just going to pray that Ratliff got hurt and insurance covered a large portion of his salary. A pretty risky proposition since Ratliff has already said that he has no intention of retiring and has every intention of playing next season.
So insurance paid $4.5 million last season - exactly what does this change? He's still not bringing back an all-star in a trade straight up. Sorry.
"Hmm...so he'll play 2 games next season, too?? What do you think the odds are that any franchise who owns his rights will let him smell a basketball court, Scintan?"
The team has no say in that matter, as you certainly must know. If the player is healthy enough to play, he's healthy enough to play. If he really wants to play, he's not going to let the team keep him on the shelf.
"Inappropriate? About 275 of the 300 posts are inappropriate if we use your criteria."
It was inappropriate because you've been riding someone about things while you've been the one who's provably wrong. I'm pretty sure that you aren't fool enough to even pretend that to be the case about the other comments on this thread.
"Funny, Scintan, you make lucid and solid posts in the other blog without all the profanity. Then there's here...and you are the one who sounds dumb. But I digress.
shak | 06.11.07 - 7:15 pm | #"
Ummm.... the "dumbfuck" has been a continuation of your post where you used that term about JJ while making an incorrect claim. I've noted it as a running theme. Since you don't post "dumbfuck" on "the other blog", I assume that you realize the rules are different here.
Look, I don't care that you don't want to take long showers with JJ, and I don't care what words get bandied about. However, when you call someone a dumbfuck about a point that is proven incorrect by the very post that precedes yours, you can expect to get grief. It's sort of like insisting the Cavaliers will never get to the finals the day after they eliminated the Pistons. And, when you insult someone about something that has been publicly refuted by the player involved, you can expect more.
Refuted? Did insurance not pay part of his contract? Maybe less than I thought. But not an irrelevent dollar amount by any means. Nice try, Scintan.
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From Scintan:
The team has no say in that matter, as you certainly must know. If the player is healthy enough to play, he's healthy enough to play. If he really wants to play, he's not going to let the team keep him on the shelf.
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Really?? The team has no say whether a healthy player plays or sits? The same team who sat out 4 healthy players with phantom "injuries" until they got to their goal of second worst record? That team? The team who put 3 of those suddenly dramatically recovered players back after the record was clinched? That team?
I'm glad to hear that Wyc and Danny, two people who have mooned their customers, the league, and the game itself have suddenly overcome their lack of integrity and are going to suddenly going to play healthy players. Maybe try to win a few games? They're only doing it because Scintan says they have to.
Thanks, Scintan, by virtue of your directive, we are going to get to see some competitive games next season.
"Refuted? Did insurance not pay part of his contract? Maybe less than I thought. But not an irrelevent dollar amount by any means. Nice try, Scintan."
"Nice try" what? Theo says he's going to play. If he plays, insurance doesn't pick up the check.
"Really?? The team has no say whether a healthy player plays or sits? The same team who sat out 4 healthy players with phantom "injuries" until they got to their goal of second worst record? That team? The team who put 3 of those suddenly dramatically recovered players back after the record was clinched? That team?
I'm glad to hear that Wyc and Danny, two people who have mooned their customers, the league, and the game itself have suddenly overcome their lack of integrity and are going to suddenly going to play healthy players. Maybe try to win a few games? They're only doing it because Scintan says they have to."
Whether he plays or not is not the issue regarding collecting the insurance, as you must surely know. It's whether he's deemed healthy enough to play. The insurance company decides whether or not the player is able to play for purposes of paying out a claim, not the team, and any dispute would be settled either through arbitration or court action depending upon the wording of the contract.
"Thanks, Scintan, by virtue of your directive, we are going to get to see some competitive games next season.
shak | 06.12.07 - 2:26 pm | # "
Well, we can only hope that the games are better than your last few posts have been. Again, I don't care what you type here, and neither do the hosts, apparently. However, if you go about peeing on the legs of others, don't cry when you find out your leg is covered in that same warm yellow liquid.
Shak, for the love of God, tell us what the hell you are talking about. Insurance pays, insurance doesn't pay - none of this changes a thing. I know you're just naturally antogonistic but I'm stll holding out hope that if you're here and posting, you have something worthwhile to say.
The Celtics still can't sign a Free Agent because Ratliff's entire salary still counts against the cap, and no one is going to trade for Ratliff expecting that insurance will pay the vast majority of his salary since he wants to play and isn't retiring.
If the Celtics saved $4.5 million this year and Theo played in two games, smart money would be on him playing more than 2 games and his owner receiving less of a kickback from insurance than $4.5 million.
I sure as fuck don't care that Wyc has an extra $4.5 million in his savings account. He's over the cap so it's not going to be reinvested back into the team.
Maybe with the money he saved from the insurance policy on Ratliff, he'll green-light Ainge to offer Tony Allen a long-term extension? God.
Fuck You, Danny
And I was wondering what that was on my leg.
The assertion that Ratliff will see an NBA basketball court while under his current contract is absurd. I wish we had even a corpse of Ratliff on the active roster. It'd probably make a 10-15 win difference if he's playing at 80% for 20-25MPG. If you don't think 4.5M makes a difference in Ratliff's trade value I really don't know what to tell you.
The free agent thing is a straw dog because no quality free agent who cares about winning will want to play for Rivers no matter what he's paid.
I would think the players union would have something to say about the Celtanks trying to keep Theo's remains out of the lineup if he is physically able to play. He certainly doesn't have an interest in the Celts' future, like Pierce and Al do, that would sway him to sit out while the team tanks the season. Anyhow, I don't pretend to know how all this business stuff works as well as the rest of you do and I think each of you makes some good points.
Fuck you, Danny.
This just in Shak is as smart as Shawn Kemp.
Dude make up ur mind. After reading the last 20 posts on this topic I kept feeling more and more confused after each one of ur posts.
Are you getting paid by the Wyc's to make all these posts on the different blogs?
What other blogs are you talking about, MF? I'm quite sure Wyc is paying me to trash him. The disgusting way they tanked the season is probably the only thing we'll ever agree on.
This just in: MF is as stoned (and confused) as Shawn Kemp. I have no idea what you're confused about.
Anon, I'd love for even a corpse of Ratliff to play because even a corpse would play better defense than about half of the players on the current roster. With the possiblity of a substantial insurance payoff for him not playing, somehow I don't see it getting to the player's union. Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
Not antagonistic at all, EJ. Just don't see why seemingly bright people have to sound like Akon to make a simple point.
fuck coc. fuck ainge. fuck pryc.
Is EJ as in EJPLAYA in Celticsblog?
What a lovely vacation that was.
Of course, I come back and see that the neighborhood is still befouled.
But we're an open society over here with the Doc - no brown-shirted basketball dumbshits with "moderator" by their name channeling discussion to prove their point.
Seems that our little rodent has a couple of respectable points, and he's overcome his hypocritical lying. Good for him.
Now, back to issues of import: Shawn Marion or Rashard Lewis? Either would be fine with Jim, and would force me to actually admit that Wyc and the Mormon Dumbass have been detected making moves to improve the club?
Thoughts?
Jim:
Glad you enjoyed your vacation.
How many points do you think we'd need to score with Lewis at the 3 and Pierce at the 2 to outscore the other team? With Rivers' "defense"? (Or whatever that is) You think having two of the NBA's biggest sieves at the 2 and 3 with a "coach" who hasn't been able to spell defense since he played for Fratello 75 years ago will improve anything? May make it more fun to watch. May. I think the coaching situation needs to be addressed before there is even a slight improvement. So why clog the payroll with two players who probably can't/won't play defense for any coach? Fire Rivers and then figure out what pieces you want. Until then, pick the best player available. You asked for thoughts.
I'm still trying to figure out the hypocritical lies you're talking about. But I digress.
Jim, it seems like you are the unofficial moderator with Dr. Chestnutt away. With either Marion or Lewis on the team it would be nice to have an all-star again, but I think a move like that would make us about as good as the Indiana Pacers right now.
I have never posted a thing on Celticsblog. Also I'd rather get Marion than Lewis. Lewis wants a max deal and I'm not sure that is money well spent. A max deal for 22ppg and not much else? RealBM is going nuts over the fact that he's 6'10", but give me the 6'7" guy who averages 10rpg every year and came in 4th in DPOY voting any day.
Although the difference, apparently, is that Lewis might not cost the #5 pick to get. If true, that certainly makes things interesting.
Ultimatly, I'd like to see this team contend for championships and I'm not sure that Pierce/Jefferson/Marion or Pierce/Jefferson/Lewis is a good enough core to get there. With that said, Ainge is certainly not in a position to deal Pierce and rebuild, at least not if he wants to keep his job. I think either of these deals along with the addition of some veteran role players could make for a competitive team in a couple years.
Frankly, I'm not excited about Lewis. Marion interests me greatly - primarily because of his defensive skill - but Phoenix isn't dumb enough to take the 5 and a bag of Danny's trash for the Matrix. The idea that Marion isn't worth Delonte West still has me giggling hysterically.
Your point is well-taken, Maravich, but I grow VERY tired of the bullshit argument "Don't do it. It won't get us closer to a championship" - not accusing your post of that; just noting that the 50IQ quarter-wits all over the message boards love that one.
And it's the last refuge of the cowards who aren't man enough to admit that Ainge has totally screwed the future of this franchise with his idiotic youth movement.
If you've coached basketball - or any other team sport - as I have for more than two decades, you know that balance is critical, especially on a short 12-man roster. You've got to have a blend of youth - and we've got plenty, both quality and otherwise - and veteran leadership and mentorship to succeed.
In sum, Ainge has retarded the growth of the kids by pushing the veterans out the door in an ego-driven desire to "be different" that has totally blown up in his face.
Now, the question is whether he's man enough to admit it - God knows legions of Celtics fans aren't.
Trade activity this summer, or the lack thereof, will be your answer.
Jim, that's true a Marion or Lewis deal wouldn't make us title contenders, but it would make us more competitive which would hopefully mean that we won't be considered such a joke and maybe mean free agents would consider playing here. I'd definitely be happier if the Celtics were more like the Nets, always in the playoffs and occasionally making it to the Finals. Where with one or two small moves could actually win us a title, rather than where we are now, in the shit can. But nothing good will ever come of this team with Danny in the driver's seat. I'm just hoping he does something ridiculous to the team where Wyc has no choice but to fire him.
Pete:
I would maintain that until Rivers is replaced, the free agent thing is a straw dog. What free agent who's concerned about playing on a competitive team will sign to play for an AAU coach? A coach with a nonexistent defensive system. Sad reality is it's hard to tell when Rivers is trying to win and when he's trying to lose. Strategies are about the same.
I think they can get a better all-around player at 5 than Lewis. They could get a better defensive player than Lewis from the NBDL. Marion would be a rent-a-player who's price would be too high. I'd love to have Marion in Boston. But under Rivers, there simply won't be any improvement no matter who they bring in.
Jim,
I agree with you that it hasn't worked. But the Bulls proved that with a decent coach, the concept can. If Ainge is trying to emulate what the Bulls have done, he can see that mortgaging the future by signing an expensive free agent didn't make them markedly better. Mixing in good vets didn't make them markedly better, either. Good coaching got them to where they are. We don't have that. You could bring in Marion, Duncan, Garnett, or anyone else you want to this mess. It's not going to get better until a coach who implements an actual defensive system and makes coherent game decisions is brought on board.
Totally agree, Pete, and that's my most vociferous argument with what Ainge has done.
This franchise right now isn't remotely competitive. The Dynamic Duo has created a culture of losing, fed in some part by a culture of excuse-making and failure to acknowledge the numerous mistakes that have been made by Grousbeck and Ainge.
If you build a balanced roster with some vet influence - I loved Payton, not because his skills were first-rate, but because he wasn't afraid to tongue-lash the kids - then you can teach your kids on the fly in an atmosphere of at least partial success.
It is absolutely critical, in my opinion, to get a veteran frontcourt guy on this roster this summer for that purpose.
If the move is instead to draft yet another project and continue muddling along as a laughingstock franchise, then I'd go so far as to say all hope is gone - for this ownership and for this general manager.
It is absolutely critical, in my opinion, to get a veteran frontcourt guy on this roster this summer for that purpose.
Agree, but who? I would have loved to see Dale Davis fill that role when they signed MR Intangible. Unfortunately, Ainge picked up the worst rebounding 6-9 300lb guy in NBA history. Juwan Howard would have been a good pickup. I don't think J O'Neal can play enough games to mortgage as much as he'd cost. Marion would cost too much for two years. Lewis is not a vet. Or a winner. Mr 38% for a 3rd go-round?
This is too rich:
RealBM's Celtic Thug was a total fraud. The thread in which that was revealed has been deleted, because Darth Celtic ends up looking like a dumbass.
Here's an aftermath thread, for as long as it lasts:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/vie...ic.php?
t=673875
What little credibility that board had is now gone.
Aww man I really wish I could've seen that unfold. Did he just admitt to making all that up or what? hahaha!
He was exposed as a liar.
The true humor has come since then, watching those ass-clown moderators try to cover their asses, deleting and locking threads left and right.
Catching up here:
Hate to break this to you, Shak, but I have active accounts on a bunch of Celtics boards, including the two less credible ones we love to mock here.
Try not to be too disappointed.
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I read Celtic Thug's Healthpoint post early in the day yesterday and had no idea what he was talking about because HE, shak, no us, types like a ghetto thug. I decided against sifting through the then 8 pages of replies because it is RealBM and the odds of seeing worthwhile conversation in a thread that long are slim. If I had known it turned into a 25-page Darth-bashfest I might've cracked open a cold one and relaxed for an hour or so. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
With that said, in response to your post yesterday, Jim, I couldn't agree more. That's why this team is so frustrating. The Celtics are so bad that we're talking about adding an 18-10 player, a DPOY candidate, and a 4-time All-Star and Pete said "The trade might make us as good as the Indiana Pacers." A 35-win team. And it's true.
Conventional wisdom suggests that the Celtics need to spend a few more years losing and add top-tier lottery talent through the draft. It is true, one; even two players won't put this team into championship contention. However, at what cost can the Celtics continue to lose? I remember reading a Simmons article and he said that a friend who travels with the team told him during the losing streak "If you saw the way the losses roll off these guys, you'd never watch pro sports again."
That is not a good sign. Boston's 21-year old core already doesn't give a crap when they lose 18 straight games. Combine that with a "player's coach" like Coc and it's a recipe for disaster that no amount of talent infusion will solve.
It's a catch-22 - Get veterans and the team will win a little but not win championships - or stay young and lose to improve draft position - at the expense of a winner's mentality. The worst example of this was the the blatant tanking that took place this year. Tony Allen is probably blowing lines of coke right now trying to forget about it. Why should any of the players care when the objective of the second half of the season was to lose games? It's a sorry state that this team is in.
Have you guys watched Popovich at all? The guy fearlessly berates Duncan. Benched Ginobilli for the good of the team. A few years ago he even stopped playing Parker in the 4th quarter. That is absolutely what this team is lacking and was one of the reasons that Payton was so valuable to this team.
Imagine how he'd have reacted when Pierce showed up in that press conference with bandages wrapped around his head after nearly costing the team a playoff game? This team needs an enforcer, and I'm not talking about that jelly-bean Kendrick Perkins. The Celtics have been one of the most undisciplined collection of crybabies in the league for the past few seasons.
I say get a vet, and hope to get lucky with a few other moves and target glue guys like Battier and Garbajosa if they want to move into the top tier of the league. The quick fix - Oden - didn't happen. Time for plan B.
Also Shak I found a few EJPLAYA posts on Celticsblog. I'm insulted!
No argument whatsoever, EJ. That's why I find the "stay the course" crowd so insulting. This team is SO bad, so far down into the depths of professional basketball, that a Shawn Marion only upgrades you to a low lottery level. The fact that so many find the current mess acceptable - many because they worry more about their favorite players than the team - is intellectually dishonest.
I never gave a shit whether Payton could play. The guy's hard-ass leadership qualities were worth their weight in gold; and Simmons' account of the losing streak proves it conclusively. Anyone wearing a Celtics uniform who wasn't absolutely devastated by 18 straight rounds of ineptitude should have been released on the spot.
Marion is only a starting point. You're quite correct. If we're lucky enough to add someone like him, it's going to require some glue guys around him to truly make a difference.
As for Real BM, you couldn't be more correct. Watching an arrogant, self-important moderator implode is high quality entertainment.
There are two huge obstacles in Danny's way if he is indeed trying to trade for a vet. The Suns and Sonics both have new GMs and most new GMs, Danny excluded, aren't so quick to gut their new teams.
The Herald is saying that Phoenix wants to dump some bad contracts on whoever takes Shawn Marion. I could definitely see Danny trading for Kurt Thomas or Marcus Banks. However, after the Raef and Wally trades I'd think that Wyc might be tightening the purse strings on Danny a little bit.
Also apparently a Rashard Lewis trade couldn't happen until July 1 - After the draft - because he is an unrestricted FA and can't talk about a sign and trade until July 1st. Which, as Steve Bulpett pointed out - makes a deal with the #5 pick problematic.
Most Gasol rumors that I am seeing are involving Atlanta and Golden State.
The only Jermaine O'Neal rumor I see is for Kobe. Also I'm not entirely convinced that JO isn't damaged goods at this point, either.
I haven't heard anything about KG or Gerald Wallace in a few weeks, either.
I can't say I'd be shocked if Danny struck out this off-season just like he has every other off-season since he's been here.
Also who is he taking in the draft? Looks like Brandon Right is moving right back up the mock drafts and the Grizzlies seem to like Horford at 4.
Yi? Noah? Conley? Brewer? Green? At this point I have no idea who I want or who I think Danny is going to take. Will he shy away from a PG or a wing because he has Rondo and Tony Allen? Will he take Yi so that Wyc can sell Celtics jerseys in China? I can't say for certain.
The only thing I am feeling confident in saying is that Danny will strike out in his bid to trade for one of the available all-star forwards. Anyone else starting to get that feeling or is it just me?
With Ainge at the helm I would be surprised to see a deal like #5 to Philly for #12/Rodney Carney so that he can draft Thaddeous Young.
No. I've had the feeling all along that the plan is to continue the youth movement charade.
This is from Darth Celtic on Real GM, and it earns this week's "Internet Dolt of the Week Award," although it brings a tear to my eye:
"well, here it is. Guys this is what I said about cthug after the first "insider" thing before chad ford put his up.
"guys, I have no physical proof that cthug is who he says he is, but he has given me info via pm, and it all checks out. It's just second hand things he is hearing, and all have come true so far. I believe him. He could be some guy posting from his mom's basement making it up, but what he has told me has checked out".
Then chad ford broke it a day later. I posted this, it was true, he did post it before chad ford. Then he got so high up, he couldn't fall. Then came lewis, and it too was confirmed. And ranter confirmed through another source. And nobody was questioning my saying his sources checked out, as now you could see for yourselves, his sources, whatever it was, did check out.
Then he started making stuff up, As you saw in the hawks thread, i said I didn't believe his source had that right. And then he feel off that tall pedistal we all put him on.
I'm sorry I said a guys facts and story he gave me were true, and That i let you guys know about it.
I'm sorry that the other mods locked and "deleted" every thread after that. I myself would lock and explain, but others moved it off the site.
And before all this happened, I was thinking about leaving realgm anyway, so all of you who hate realgm celtics board because of me, might just get your wish. Now, this is the "i'm sorry" thread, not the "thank god you might leave" or "you better stay thread" so don't turn it into one, just giving some of you something to hope for in private.
But in case you want to know why I would leave....Every time anyone does anything on realgm celtics board as a mod. I get blamed. I get called out for what others do. Guys go to other boards about what I did, even when I didn't. Everything here seems to be done by me. I do do a lot, but the thread on the suggestions feedback board is just more proof to me about this."
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Dood, here's a clue for you: Treat people like crap, and they're going to laugh at you when you implode.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
LOL. Darth makes a post that that is more than one sentence long. Change truly is possible, my friends. The only thing I'm upset about is that Spinmove mentioned this site in a post. The last thing Celticsdoom needs is dumbfucks from RealGM making their way over here to ruin the good times.
Been fun to sit back and enjoy the reading. Poor guy isn't the only dumbshit out there that's fallen victim to "moderator ego."
As for Spin Move, I saw that.
Any way the Doc can encript the site?
That first part wasn't terribly eloquent. Here's the point:
Just because someone makes you a moderator of a message board, it doesn't mean you know anything about basketball.
Sadly, RealBM is just one example of that.
Don't malign the single sentence post.
Fuck you, Danny.
I must say that I've really enjoyed the recent Darth ribbing on RealBM. There have been at least 60 pages of posts ripping the old fart to shreds, at least 40 of which are now deleted. What remains is the Feedback and Suggestions post that he doesn't have the power to delete (HAHAHA!) and his apology.
Without question, my favorite part was when he said:
"And before all this happened, I was thinking about leaving realgm anyway, so all of you who hate realgm celtics board because of me, might just get your wish. Now, this is the "i'm sorry" thread, not the "thank god you might leave" or "you better stay thread" so don't turn it into one, just giving some of you something to hope for in private."
If you can read that without spitting up whatever you were drinking, then you have a funny bone made of steel.
Dare I ask what anybody thinks of Chad Ford's Garnett trade?
I'd do it without the #5.
What Chad Ford Garnett trade?
Considering that Danny may take Why with the 5, I'd probably trade the pick for just about anyone.
I wouldn't do it at all after seeing Garnett can opt out after this season.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/i...chad&
id=2907610
To answer your question.
Why do you believe anything Ainge says pertaining to the draft? Or anything else for that matter? If the pick isn't traded, who would you take? With the number of tweeners working out, I'd say he's trading down or out. We definitely don't need more projects with "upside".
If my asshole had an eyelid I'd wink at you.
Don't trade Garnett he's overly competitive and he'll provide no salary flexibility for Wyc!!!!
The trade is a non starter if they have to throw in West or Tony Allen.
I think for the past few weeks we've been saying that there are only two things for this team to do to get better; one is blow up the team and get rid of Pierce (In my opinion the smart option) or keep Peirce and try to get a quality player around him. If we stay where we are and try to draft we'll be stuck in this rut.
It seems like the T-wolves are in the exact same position we are, one really good player (they actually have an all star) and then nobody around him, unless you are on the insane side of the fence that thinks Gerald Green and Delonte West are the next Rip Hamilton and Chauncy Billups, but anyway... The T-wolves may be willing to pull the trigger on this and blow up their team in order to rebuild and get some cap room and be competitive down the stretch. We'll pull the trigger because this may save Danny's job for a few more years.
I do think that the argument about doing something to make us competitive again in-order to make this team less of a joke is a very solid argument. I just don't think KG would be the answer to our problems. In the short run we would get better, but in 3 years we'll be screwed. By that time Pierce and Garnett will be old and won't be the impact players they are. We may at that point have some veterans with playoff experience, but Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers will still be in charge of this team. I think anything to keep them here longer is a bad idea.
Trading for KG doesn't make sense. Al Jeff is going to be absolutely dominant at PF and is also a dominant center if the team follows Danny's "Defenseless" strategy. Why get only marginally better, if at all, at one of two positions where you have a legitimate NBA player, when you have absolutely clueless future journeymen at the other three? It doesn't make sense to me, regardless of all the money.
Let's hope Danny doesn't do anything desparate before he gets fired next year.
Fuck you, Danny.
There are other deals that interest me MUCH more than KG - Marion, Gasol, etc.
But it's irrelevant. The cheap SOB running this team isn't going to make any investment in the quality of play on the floor.
He's going to keep bullshitting the gullible with his youth movement bullshit.
KG would be a nice addition from a basketball standpoint. As we all remember from his commercial a few years back - 20-10-5 six years in a row! No one has done that! He's a nice player, a very good rebounder, and a very good defender.
Unfortunately, he is just not a huge crunch time scorer. He comes at an outrageous price as well, I just don't think that he has the impact of a Duncan, Bryant, or Nash, but he gets paid like he does. That is frustrating.
I know he plays in the West, but he hasn't made the playoffs in years. Is he truly a great player? I mean Kobe guarantees at least a .500 record in the West.
I'll just come right out and say it - never been a KG fan. Occasionally I can hear him talking during a game and I'd estimate that his IQ is somewhere between 70-90. Barely double Gerald Green's. Not a great sign.
I hope that if Boston blows up the team to get a super-duper star that it is Kobe and not KG. I would prefer a trade for Marion or Gasol where the Celtics hold onto Pierce and Jefferson as well.
That is not to say that I don't agree with Pete when he says that trading Pierce would be the smart move if the goal truly is to win a championship. However, with Ainge trying to keep his job I just don't think that is a realistic option this offseason. Imagine the heat he'd take if they A)resigned Pierce, B) regressed 20-games in his 2-year tenure, and THEN C) traded Pierce? He'd be ushered out the door so fast it would make our heads spin.
KG has proven that he can win with a good supporting cast (64-wins with Sam and Spree). I'm not sure that Boston, even if it keeps Pierce, can provide that kind of help. And if Wyc was paying both Paul and KG? For one that'd be $38 million for two players, with the cap being at $53 million last year.
internet dolt of the day;
Any trade involving Big Al is absolutely ridiculous. Of all the criticism of Danny, I can't call the man stupid. He won championships with McHale, Bird and Parish (all big men) carrying the team. Now that Big Al is proving to be an almost unstoppable post-player, while still in his early twenties, there is no way Ainge will trade him. The guards will go, but no bigs. I'd hate to lose Gerald as well.
Honestly people, I don't think we are too far way from contending in the East. We don't need to COMPLETELY dismantle this team. Are the Cavs really that freakin' good? Heck no! Player for player, we have a competitive team. I just don't want to see a team that includes KG, but devoid of Al, Gerald another of our guards and possibly the draft pick. It won't bode well for the team 3 years from now.
I agree with the dolt of the day that they should not trade Al right now. Al will be an all-star next year despite Doc.
Now, I'm not sure why Danny can't be stupid and still happen to be on the Bird-McHale-Parish championship teams. And, I don't mind trading GiGi--this generation's Ron Mercer.
But Al is going to dominate, and he won't cost nearly as much as KG, who is only slightly better at the same position, and only marginally, if at all, smarter, both big men having an 8th grade education. The Celts need a PG, SG, and C. Not a PF. They also need some intelligent veteran leadership, perhaps more than anything, and KG will not give them that.
The deal as proposed is a disaster.
No Jefferson, period.
After further review, I suspect that report is a first offer designed to find out if Danny's asshole has recovered from the butterizing he suffered last summer at the hands of Portland.
Can't blame McHale for trying to find out if the Moronic Mormon is still as stupid as last summer.
Hahahahaha.
They're still tearing old Darth a new asshole on RealBM.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
LOL Jim! It's a bad sign when McHale thinks he has an excellent chance of duping you.
After Ainge traded Walker and a 1st round pick for Walker, Signed Scal, traded for Dickau, and then traded Roy for Telfair, I'm beginning to wonder if he can handle everyday mundane tasks like waking up and taking a piss in the morning without something going horribly wrong.
As for Darth, hilarious stuff. The guy has nothing to say. He acts like an asshole over there, period, and he got what was coming.
"yo darth, chill out man. no one trying to take your spot. your jesus complex thing is getting unseemly and frankly a bit embarrassing for you. mang disliked you less as the ballbreaker hardass than the sad nixon figure you've become lately.
we all know how big a role being celtic mod on realgm plays in your life and no one is trying to take that from you. stop acting like you might possibly step down (even though we all know you would never follow through on the threat) just to see who steps up to beg you to stay. thats a black eye on the game right there mane. " - coach mang
^^ this from a guy who usually posts nothing resembling gramatically correct sentences.
and
"Pandering to your base, condescending and profiling.
you really are bush of realgm!" - Fakescreenname123
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy indeed.
Al will be an All Star? Which players is he going to jump over and who's he going to bump off the team?
Here's last season's list:
Howard
Bosh
Shaq
J.O.
Now, he's not going to get past Bosh or Howard unless he improves exponentially and they don't improve at all, and he's not going to get past Shaq if Shaq isn't injured in the first half of the season. That means that he'll have to get past J.O. and out-do Rasheed, Okafor and others for the job. It's not likely to happen next year. The year after, maybe. Come back after next season and we'll re-evaluate.
KG is only slightly better than Al?
Who are you people, how much koolaid have you been drinking and what have you done with the regulars here? KG is better on both sides of the ball, and he's about a thousand times better defensively.
Al had a good season last year, but people are losing their minds about him.
Why shouldn't Al beat out JO?
Last year post-all-star:
Al-19.8/11.5/55%FG
JO-18.6/8.2/42%FG
Okafor and Rasheed aren't even close.
Al has shown to be one of the most unstoppable low-post players in the game, and he's only just getting started. I've seen Okafor and Howard have both get shut down by future journeyman-nobody, Kendrick Perkins. I'm not saying Al has shown the talent of Bosh or Howard yet, and Shaq may get the fan vote, but you never know. One thing that might hold Al back is that the team is a joke and is never on national TV.
Fuck you, Danny.
After further review, Kevin can have the 5 or Jefferson, but not both. As for Green, let Kevin teach him how to read and write.
Pretty clear that nary a management soul is paying attention at Real BM to let Darth's bullshit continue. When you act like an asshole, and you do something stupid like endorse a liar on your site, there are going to be recriminations.
Looks like the few good posters who were left over there are now quitting because he's such an asshole. That site is going to become another homer cesspool run by idiot moderators with a God complex.
Going to become?
What the hell was I thinking?
It's always been a homer site - just going to be worse now with the departure of the few intelligent posters left over there.
Scintan,
Great points, I think I needed that. All this Darth drama has got me reading more RealBM than usual and I think it might've gone to my head a little bit.
KG is likely to absolutely tear up the East. This is a 10-time all-star, a former MVP, a 3-time All-NBA 1st teamer, and 6-time All-NBA 1st Team Defender.
If he was on the Celtics, we wouldn't be wondering "Can he beat out Bosh and Howard for an all-star slot", we'd be wondering out loud if we had the best player in the conference on the Celtics.
Anonymous is also right, as usual. Jefferson did produce amazing numbers after the ASB last year. I question how much of that was due to a) lack of quality around him, b) other teams practically resting their regulars against Boston, and c) teams going easy on the Celts because they were playing one of the worst teams in the league.
KG, Gasol, O'Neal, Marion, even Howard and Bosh - Have shown that they can produce numbers and win games. Al hasn't proven that he can play over 70 games in a season or that he can put up huge stats on a winning team. Lionel Simmons averaged 18 and 9 for a 25-win team once, too.
I think Al's consistency over the second half is a great sign and I was very happy with it. Imagine last summer if someone suggested "Boston's 2007 first round pick and Al Jefferson for KG"
They'd have won Internet dolt of the day, easy. Anyways, I think it's going to cost Al to get an all-star in Boston, even of the Marion or Gasol level. If I were Memphis, Phoenix, or Minnesota I certainly wouldn't be jumping on the opportunity to trade my all-stars for the 5th pick.
If he was on the Celtics, we wouldn't be wondering "Can he beat out Bosh and Howard for an all-star slot", we'd be wondering out loud if we had the best player in the conference on the Celtics.
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Probably little doubt about that.
After playing for Rivers, Garnett would miss the game coaching skills and defensive philosophy of his elementary school coach. It'd guaran-damned-ty that he'd opt out of Boston at the earliest possible opportunity.
Seriously, I'd love to have Garnett or Marion. Or anybody who makes this team worth watching. But I'll maintain that this team won't be worth watching until a coach with above 6th grade coaching skills is hired.
Until then, I say draft the best player available. Mortgaging Jefferson and the pick for anybody won't improve the team markedly because this coach will screw it up regardless.
Here's the thing, though - any sort of an early season hiccup with a trio of Pierce, Garnett and Al, and Glenn is back behind the TNT mike by the All-Star break.
I think you move heaven and Earth - but not Jefferson - to get Garnett in Boston. Give them West and Inmate #42. Give them their pick back plus the 5.
Then, you can go shopping for a veteran point to mentor Rondo, and you might have something coachable - as soon as Glenn is gone.
You're not alone, EJ. RealBM has been a barrel of laughs lately. Interesting to note how critical that Web site moderator's title must be to the poor fellow's ego, given the extremes he's chosen to defend himself against his latent asshole-ness and his big mistake.
"Okafor and Rasheed aren't even close. "
Rasheed is a 3 time all-star who was last in that game just a year ago. Clearly, that would constitute "close" at the very least.
As for Okafor, I'll just say that if you claim he's not even close, you haven't watched him play or looked at his numbers.
"DISCLAIMER! This is not info from CThug. This info is from a source I have physical proof of, and have not mentioned to any of you. Believe me or not, it can still be false.
Word is, KG to boston is VERY likely to happen. No, I don't have any idea of who will be involved, as offers are still being sent back and forth by both teams. But again, coming out of boston, it is very likely to happen. By draft day is the deadline i'm hearing." - Darth Celtic
and then:
"sorry dudes, and fake, I don't hold grudges, that was a joke from me, but I won't pm you guys anything. sorry.
and i have to state again, I DON'T KNOW THE PLAYERS INVOLVED! Just that is almost 100% going to happen.
Now, as for the last inside info, giving up Al and keeping the 5th pick while giving back the owed pick, yeah, I'll do that.
I love Al more then any player on the c's the last 13 years not named Paul Pierce, but for KG, Yeah. Then we draft brewer at 5 since wally is gone. Hudson can play backup pg as well.
well, nevermind, Yi would be nice as a backup big." - Darth Celtic
I will just say that I am giddy about the fact that Darth just predicted with almost 100% certainty that KG would be going to Boston by the NBA Draft. This has a lot of potential for hilarity on RealBM.
I really think at this point Danny would be looking short term instead of long term. A team with Pierce, Garnett and Jefferson would be pretty good, we'd be a solid #4 play off team, not as good as Detriot Pistons, Miami Heat or Clevand James' but we'd beat out the aging Nets I think. I don't think Danny could work that deal though, he'll be stupid enough to give away Jefferson and the pick and probably keep szczerbiak. In return he'd get to keep his job and the Celtics would make some money with all those Garnett #8 Jerseys. (Yes I did compare Garnett to Antione) At least we'll be the #7 or #8 seed for 3 years and not have to worry about Stern fixing the lottery or shooting Kennedy again.
Jesus, EJ.
If that trade doesn't go down, it might be enough to make me open an account on RealBM and see how long it takes the "Clique of Moderator Assholes" to ban me.
What fun that would be.
Bulpett says the Garnett deal moves closer:
http://celtics.bostonherald.com/...567&
srvc=sports
In other news, Gin Baker gets picked up for DUI.
can't agree with the consesus about this one. Al Jefferson's breakout season coincides with a historically bad Celtics team. His percentages were good and rebound rates strong but if they have the chance to get Garnett then they have to go for it. Jefferson is a big if and there is a good chance he regresses to be just an average player. He's also a horrible horrible defender.
Don't entirely disagree with that, Willie. I say make the deal, and I've weakened on the "no Jefferson" prohibition. I'm not crazy about moving both Al and the 5, but it's true that the 5 might be a better value for this team than the absurd contract Al might command soon.
Plus, if Al moves in a Garnett deal, the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the proponents of Danny's youth movement will be beautiful to watch unfold.
Beneath every dark cloud is a silver lining, eh?
One thing to consider is that Al Jefferson is going to have to be resigned. Jefferson is great to have on a rookie scale contract, in fact one of the most valuable players in the league when you consider what he is paid...
However, he expires in two seasons and one of two things could happen. Either he regresses and doesn't earn a huge payday and we kick ourselves for not dealing him for KG - or he posts a 20-10 season and asks for max money.
Is Al Jefferson, leader of a team that lost 18-straight worth it as a max guy? It's like paying Rashard Lewis the max. Yeah, he's good. No, he shouldn't make that much money. Al is great on the glass and can score, but still, I watched the Warriors burn him for 5 straight layups in a game I went to this year. I think he is still horrible on D and I'm not sure that he'll ever improve to above average on defense.
KG gets paid a lot, but he really is one of the best players in the league. There's LeBron, Kobe, Nash, Duncan, and then after that Kidd, KG, and Dirk are all right there, imo.
We aren't getting Timmy Dunks or LeBron, and outside of them if anyone will actually earn a max salary it's KG.
It is a lot to pay. Jefferson and the right pick at #5 could end up being pretty good. I also don't think that just trading for KG makes this team a contender. Ainge will still have to fill out the roster with quality players in order for the Celts to compete. Considering that he is a fucking idiot, I'm not sure that he'll be able to make it happen.
But hey, whatever happens, at least we'll still have Scalabrine as a lookerroom guy. That's gotta be worth something, right? RIGHT??
Fuck You, Danny!
I agree EJ. You just can't have enough intangibles. Especially when they are of the kind that The Great Scalabrine stuffs his bra with.
Fuck you, Danny. Uh, yeah, and you too, Doc.
Oh, perhaps something relevant from ESPN, posted on CelticsBlah:
Garnett Says "No Thanks Boston"
Garnett's agent, Andy Miller, told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan that Garnett made it known to the Wolves and Celtics late Wednesday that he had no interest in playing for Boston. The implication was clear: If Minnesota dealt him to Boston, Garnett would opt out of his contract next summer.
"The Boston trade isn't happening," Miller told Sheridan on Thursday. "If a trade were to happen, that's not a destination that we're interested in pursuing."
Asked where Garnett would prefer to be dealt, Miller replied: "Too early. Ask me in two days."
I can't imagine why KG wouldn't want to come to a team run by those two fucking clowns, Danny and Doc, that jut tanked the season to get a #5 pick. And don't try to blame it on the cold; he's played his whole career in the icy wasteland of Minnesota.
I'd rather not be right here, but ...
Perhaps all the dumb fucks who have thrown in with Wyc and Danny will now begin to appreciate how badly those two morons have fucked up the franchise.
When a guy with zero hope of sniffing the playoffs in Minny chooses to stay there over an east team, then the message is clear.
The Boston Celtics aren't shit in the NBA any more.
speechless. anon and jj said it all.
Oh just went to ESPN..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/ne...tory?
id=2912075
Marion doesn't want to play here, either.
Watch the dumb shits try to extend the blame for this to Carr, Pitino, et al.
Message for the morons: How many games did this team win in 2002? How far did it go in the playoffs? How many games did this team win in 2004-05?
Players with choices want no part of Boston. Anyone check with Jefferson lately?
And the fault lies with the owner, and with his general manager.
Fuck you, Wyc. And fuck you too, Danny.
We're a joke! We're a fucking joke! The greatest dynasty in the history of sports is now the biggest joke in sports! Even when ML Carr ran this team we had some respect!
There's a bright side to this for the Danny-boys.
They won't have to confront reality - they're wrong - at least until mid-season when the losses reach epic proportions again. So they've got some lead time to craft their inane, vaccuous alibis for the gross mismanagement of this club by Grousbeck and Ainge.
And in the meantime, Wyc will spread some more free ducats around - God knows he'll have more and more of them available - to buy the loyalty of the less credible out there on the Web.
It's mind-boggling and sad what those two ass-clowns have done to the Celtics. I thank God that Red isn't around to watch these two idiots continue to tear down his life's work.
At least John Y. Brown had Red. While Wyc is every bit as incompetent as Brown, Ainge is the absolute antithesis of Red.
Are we really drafting Yi? Is that really going to happen? Can someone please assure me that the Celtics aren't really going to draft Yi?
Fuck You, Danny, the Celtics are a joke.
It makes some sense, doesn't it?
Consider this marketing ploy: "We're going to suck ass on the floor again, so let's at least sell some jersies in China."
It's all about money with that fucking Grousbeck. Winning be damned. Just make some money.
Chad Ford reporting tonight that Garnett is rethinking his refusal to come to Boston - if no deal can be worked out with the Suns.
And ... Pierce will request a trade if he doesn't get veteran help this summer.
Good. Let Pierce go. We need to get rid of Pierce, get rid of Danny, get rid of Doc, I would say get rid of Wyc but thats not gonna happen, and blow this thing up and start all over again. Oh yeah, get rid Suckbastian, and Tony Allen just because I don't like him.
Start with a nucleus of young players, led by Jefferson, and build through the draft.
I'm not against drafting Yi. Draft Yi, or draft Conley. Anyone who says we already have Rondo doesnt realize that Conley is WAY better.
Get a good draft pick for Pierce and get another young player.
Then get rid of Doc and Ainge and dont mess with anything for 5 years.
That said, I'm not against obtaining Pau Gasol for the #5 and change, if that's on the table. If we can keep Jefferson, I think that would be a good deal.
I'm strongly in favor of dumping Laurel and Hardy as soon as possible, but I don't just want to wait around for the draft to finally produce something. They need try to move some of these young journeymen and large contracts for a real veteran leader.
I am, and have been, open to Gasol as well. And I'd rather not do both Jefferson and the 5 for Garnett.
But, I don't think we can dismiss the possibility that all this trade talk is bullshit, cover so Wyc and Danny can tell the fanbase, "We tried. Couldn't get anyone. Now, stick with us because these kids are going to be great."
As we all know, there are dumbfucks galore out there ready, willing and able to embrace that bullshit even today with all the mental posturing their 50 IQs can muster.
http://celtics.bostonherald.com/...154&
srvc=sports
Iverson deja vu, anyone? Still think there is a chance this is all bullshit. It's the favorite strategy of my favorite baseball club, the St. Louis Cardinals - make a half-hearted run at a star, then throw up your hands and tell the angry fanbase, "What can we do? We tried."
Couple of points:
1. Garnett automatically would become a borderline top 5, and certain top 10 player in Celtics history. Still wouldn't blame him for looking at Ainge and Wyc's record and saying, "No way." But he'd be a major addition.
2. If Jefferson was as talented as many of the dumbfucks are trying to claim, that why didn't the team he led last winter sans Pierce win more than four stinking ballgames? Answer: His talent is being exaggerated, which is the one hallmark of every Celtics internet board on Earth.
I still am extremely skeptical this deal is a real possibility.
Wild day of rumors, and very little to change my original opinion that Ainge and Wyc are floating rumors they have no intention of completing.
A little ugliness for our friends over at RealBM, where one of the mods reported a "done" Garnett deal to LA floated by a reporter whose credibility is under heavy fire on the Celtics and T-Wolves boards.
It has not been a good couple of weeks to be a RealBM moderator.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I saw that, Jim. I guess some guy on CSL said that hoopsworld.com reported a "done deal", when the guy really just said that there was a strong likelyhood of a deal getting done.
I go to that site primarily for the humor and the outrageous predictions, but also because it is a group of Celtics fans that listen to talk radio, keep up to date on the latest rumors, and post what they hear. If I need a good laugh I'll read their analysis.
It is a shame that the moderators have decided that they themselves are the insiders and that the CSL show has the real inside scoop. Isn't that show run by that dumbfuck Elrod? It'd be nice if they'd all just go back to being fans and stop trying to convince themselves that they knew more than anyone else.
There was just a post from Ranter, who apparently writes for Celticsblog, who essentially wrote "I know I am a dumbfuck, I don't try to be objective, I have green tinted glasses on." At least he wass being honest with himself.
Anyways...Draft is Thursday. If Danny drafts Yi, I hope it's because he thinks he will be a better basketball player than anyone else available and not because he wants the Chinese to tune into Celtics telecasts and wants to sell Yi jerseys overseas. I still contend that the best way to make money as a pro sports team is to win games, sell out arenas, and collect playoff revenue. Call me crazy, but wasting lotto picks on salary dumps (Roy) and the Chinese Fred Roberts are only short term solutions.
If Brewer comes out and duplicates Roy's rookie season from last year and Yi averages 3ppg next year I'm not going to be happy.
It does not look like a deal will get done. KG and O'Neal were recently on the table and shot down. We haven't heard Marion's name in a while and Gasol's name in an even longer period of time. Lewis is appealing, but only at the right price.
The price for inaction is apparently going to be Paul Pierce - the only legitimate NBA player on the roster. That will complete the total and utter destruction of the Boston Celtics.
BTW, Ranter is Jeff Clark.
Oh... LOL.. Sorry Jeff. For some reason I thought Jeff posted as "Jeff" on RealBM. I guess I must've made that one up...
Now Danny has himself in a position where he could've dealt Pierce for Paul a couple years ago - and now he's going to get no where near equal value for his captain.
He chose to build around Pierce, chose to pay him max dollars, and then chose to surround him with players 5-10 years younger than him and expected this "happy camper" shit to last forever.
This is where Danny is going to pay the price for not choosing one clear direction to go in with this team. Some of his moves (Payton, Pierce extension, attempted Mailman signing, Scal) are to bring a veteran presence to the team. Other moves (Davis, Rondo, drafting 5,000 high school kids) have been to build through youth.
My personal opinion is that Danny is a fucking idiot with a really crappy plan, but if you read RealBM you'd know that many fans think that Danny is capable of building around Pierce while complimenting him with future all-stars that he is able to pluck out of the mid to late first round.
All the while they've been touting how Danny has accumulated "assets" that he will be able to cash in for an All-Star - and now that he has proven that he can't do that they all want to stay the course.
Internet Celtics fans... gotta love 'em!!
Oh yeah...Fuck you, Danny!!!
If we get through Thursday doing nothing more than wasting 5 on that fucking Chinese stiff, then you are witnessing the end of the Boston Celtics as we've known them.
Pierce will demand a trade, and be dealt for less than 50 cents on the dollar. The collection of stiffs we have will continue to lose in record numbers. Why will reveal himself to be the Chinese Fred Roberts.
And our Internet pals will continue to angrily look toward the future. "Rondo's only been in the league 10 years. Give him time to develop a jumper."
Any chance this franchise had of winning in my lifetime - and I'm 47 - is on life support right now. If Ainge fucks up the trade possibilities, that chance is gone.
Fuck you, Danny. And fuck you, Wyc.
I agree, Jim. The Celtics are pretty much fucked. If they choose to rebuild now and can't even get market value for Pierce it has to be considered one of Ainge's biggest failures to date.
He could've dealt a 27-year old Pierce for a LOT. He chose to max him out, surround him with garbage, piss him off, and now likely drive him out of town.
Although don't worry - I have a feeling everything is going to be okay. You see, if Kendrick Perkins went to four years of college, he'd be a rookie this year!! That has to be one of my favorite running excuses for why the Celtics' youth is so inept.
I bet I could go to RealBM right now and bait someone into saying: "If Perk spent 4-years at Memphis, he'd be 1c with Oden and Durant"
It's a painful time to be a Celtics fan, and I just can't shake the feeling that Boston is going to draft Yi for all the wrong reasons. That's the type of organization this has become - an organization that I fear would make a draft pick to tap into the Chinese market rather than improve the team on the floor.
I couldn't agree more.
It's shocking, and painful, to see the absolute ineptitude in the Celtics front office.
I'm almost numb to it - with the exception that Pierce should be freed if we waste 5 on the Chinese Hank Finkel.
So Pierce might demand a trade, huh? Do if Danny. Get as much as you can.
Yeah, me too. By the end of the week, Al Jefferson will be our best player, we're going to have a giant fucking Chinese disaster on our hands and Paul Pierce will finally be free of the most fucked up franchise in the NBA.
I agree with lickalottapus that it would have been nice if Danny tried to trade Pierce and get as much as he could.
Unfortunatly, Pierce's public comments hurt his trade value. As does the fact that no GM in the NBA wants to be known as the guy who put Boston back on the map by getting fleeced by the Celtics.
And let's be realistic, with Danny running the show the Celtics are the team that other GMs call with wacky one-sided trade proposals.
Looks like we could be praying to win the OJ Mayo sweepstakes next year. Sigh..
The best chance to move Pierce evaporated when dumbfuck Wyc said no to Chris Paul.
Now, it's pennies on the dollar and the equivalent of an expansion team if Pierce gets moved.
Ahahahahahahaha.
According to Bulpett, those fucking idiots Grousbeck and Ainge think they've got a playoff team for next year - as it stands.
We are truly fucked. Pierce is gone, and now we're an expansion team.
I'm sorry JJ, but if Pierce wants to handcuff the organization, then screw him. He just signed an extension for $20 million or something, so he should just shut his mouth and play.
If we end up giving away the #5 and Jefferson for somebody like Jermaine ONeal or Shawn Marion, we can blame Pierce and Wyc. I wont fault Danny because he's not smart enough.
I'm looking on the bright side though, after we win a total of 7 games next year I'll be able to buy season tickets for about $25!
Actually, I think the organization has handcuffed Pierce. We don't know what promises have been made to him, but I'm pretty sure that "we're going to surround you with a bunch of overrated kids who largely suck" isn't one of them.
Anyone got Grousbeck's e-mail? I'd like to share a few thoughts with that dumb fuck.
I think Jefferson and the 5 for Garnett was a little high - but as we've seen, no credible NBA player with a choice wants to play in Boston.
If there's a clearer referendum on the competence of Grousbeck and Ainge, I don't know what it is.
And now, the Suns apparently have put Amare in play in a proposed three way that the Atlanta Hawks are tepid about.
Since we can't count on the Dynamic Dumbfucks to come up with anything useful on their own:
Wyc and Danny, here's a thought: Wouldn't it be worth it to spin Al and 5 to Minny if Amare is what's coming back? I'm admittedly tepid about Marion, but Amare's a stud - more so than Al.
Just a thought, fellas, but Amare looks better to me than a giant fucking Chinese stiff.
Anyone wanna do a three way with me and the Old Bag? You eat her while I watch. And speaking of the Chinese, I guarantee you, an hour after you eat her you won't be hungry again.
20 hours to go.
let's play "what's Wyc thinking";
1. I need an asian boy toy to lick my asshole, daddy please buy one.
2. If Paul comes over I'll suck his dick.
3. I can't believe I bought into Danny fucking Ainge and his shyster brain doctor for the past four years.
stop the madness Wyc. fire Ainge. fire Doc. free Pierce.
the sad thing is that I went through the archive for the last 3 years and CelticsDoom hit the mark almost every fucking time.
Aw, Willie, but we're a bunch of senseless pessimists who don't appreciate all the wonderful young talent Ainge accumulates.
And if we're just patient - or if we all eat the Old Bag - we'll wake up one day and Perkins will be Bill Russell, Tony Allen will be Billy Graham, Rondo will be Bob Cousy and that nasty, hateful Pierce will be all twaded awayyyyyyy ...
Chortle.
It's why I'm here, man. There's more accumulated wisdom on this board than on CelticsBlah, RealBM and the others combined.
As for Wyc, I don't know the guy at all. He might be a nice guy. Lots of fucking idiots are nice guys.
What I do know is that he's taken a tough situation with the Celtics and, aided by a Mormon moron, made it almost impossibly bad.
Danny wants Yi, per Andy Katz.
Is it possible for this idiot to fuck up this franchise any further?
Of course it is. He'll trade Paul Pierce for Earl Boykins.
It's time to face reality. The Boston Celtics I knew and loved as a kid are gone, claimed by little rich boys who think that having money makes them basketball smart.
Ainge inherited a 45-win team. If he wanted to aim for the first round of the playoffs every year, he could've just tinkered with that roster.
If he wanted to rebuild, he could've traded Pierce and built through top 5 picks instead of top 25 picks.
Unfortunately, he thought that he'd be able to put one over every other GM in the league by drafting high school players and waiting for them to pan out.
The thing is, if high school players are good enough prospects they don't slide to 27 like Perkins did. They go #1 like Howard and LeBron.
When it's all said and done Danny's legacy will be that he dismantled a 45-win team and turned it into a 24-win team, ran the coach out of town, intentionally tanked a season, rewarded his overmatched coach with an extension for tanking, traded Roy for Telfair, and the big red cherry on top might be when he selects the Chinese Larry Krystkowiak in tommorow's NBA draft.
I am praying that some NBA GM, somewhere, is dumb enough to accept Danny's flaming pile of crap for their all-stars.
It's no surprise that Celticsdoom has been right on the money about most points regarding Boston Celtics basketball in the past three years.
I still remember when I found this site. If I had to summarize my reaction in one word, it would be "FINALLY!!!!!!"
A Boston Celtics blog populated by people who didn't check their objectivity at the login screen. As you can see elsewhere on the 'Net, that is a rare thing.
It doesn't hurt that Chestnutt has more skill as a writer in his left pinky than anyone who writes for Celticsblah or RealBM.
"It doesn't hurt that Chestnutt has more skill as a writer in his left pinky than anyone who writes for Celticsblah or RealBM.
EJ | 06.27.07 - 11:23 pm | # "
But it would help if he wrote more often than Shakespeare's corpse.
Ever hear this guy Brewer speak? He makes me (Rocky) sound like a Rhodes Scholar by comparison. This guy is dumber than dirt. I don't get all the hype... IMO he would be a bigger risk than Yi.
Horford looks like a punk. I saw an interview with him where he basically clowned his Coach Billy Donovan.
Conley would be be my #1 choice. Big brain. That said, he has no chance of being drafted by the C's.
That by default leaves Yi. He is a huge risk. But I say we take the unknown commodity here and see what happens.
That's your Rocky pre-draft analysis. Enjoy the show. And, oh yeah, fuck Ainge, fuck Coc.
I take that last part back. Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers are fine gentlemen. No need for profanity.
Here's why Yi will be the choice:
Wyc thinks he can make money marketing the Chinese Paul Mokeski overseas.
Al Horford is four times the player today that Yi is.
But it won't matter. Grousbeck is about making money, whether it's throwing a draft choice away to dump Raef's contract or drafting a Chinese sideshow.
Once the deed is done, he'll turn to his buddies at CelticsBlah and the Karl Rove wannabes at RealBM to help sell the disaster to the witless, feckless fan base.
And, of course, they'll buy it. Next will come November, when the losses mount. And December, when the losses mount ...
And then next summer, fresh off a 30-52 season, we'll do it all again. There will be rumors about a blockbuster deal or 14, none of which will be true. And then we'll burn the sixth pick on a guy with three legs or a penis sticking out of his forehead.
Don't say that Jim didn't lay it all out for you.
Jim, I agree with you. I'm going to change my mind. This quote from an ESPN article did it for me:
"That could pose a problem since the Bucks weren't on the approved list of teams by Yi's group (they're looking for a major city and a high Asian population)"
I say pass on the Chinese Eric Montoss.
No, sorry... the Chinese Jerome Moiso.
I can't decide if I think Yi will be a poor man's Dalibor Bagaric, or an Anorexic Chinese Big Country Reeves.
God. It even rhymes.
MSN is reporting that the Sonics offered Ray Allen for the #5 and Theo Ratliff. If this is really on the table Danny has to do it. Sure, Ray is 32, but there are enough question marks on this team. This doesn't involve losing Jefferson and Allen is excellent offensively, with a shot and ball handling skills that are far superior to Pierce's.
Although the thought of watching Yi Jainlin match up against KG, Duncan, Amare, Boozer, and 'Sheed next year is appealing, I'd pull the trigger for Ray Allen. This doesn't even cost DWest, Green, or Rondo. Easy decision, imo.
This is one of those tight fits.
If Horford's gone, I do the Ray Allen deal in a nanosecond - even though it's going to deprive all of us of watching Shaq break the Chinese Big Country Reeves - BWHAHAHAHAHA, best one ever - like a chopstick.
Horford would help this club, because he'd immediately be better than Jefferson defensively, and not that far off offensively.
But if the Dynamic Dumbfucks are more interested in marketing revenue than winning games, fuck them both. Trade for Ray Allen.
Shit, trade for Steve Allen.
No way Horford is going to be there, though, right? First we heard he was Memphis' guy, and now Atlanta seems enamored with him. After the questions about his size were erased he seems to be the consensus #3 pick. Especially with Acie Law projected to be there for Atlanta's 2nd pick.
However, this is Hotlanta and Chris Wallace picking 3 and 4.
All that tanking we did and now I think most people here would LOVE to be picking after Yi was off the board. Go figure.
What happens if Conley slips to 5? Any chance Boston drafts him? I guess I'll find out in about an hour. Last year Danny proved to us that he will draft for need over taking the BPA so I kind of doubt Conley would be the pick even if he was there, since the Celts seem content with Rondo at this time.
I wasn't too hot on him in college because I felt like he hogged the ball too much but now I don't think I'd be against him being the pick.
I'll be damned.
Katz reports the C's have traded West, Wally and the 5 to Seattle for Ray Allen - if Jeff Green is available at 5 to be picked.
Several internet reports that WEEI in Boston is claiming Al and Theo, along with picks, are in play for Garnett.
BWAHAHAHAHA
All the youth movement pimps are having a stroke.
Sweet.
Okay first I have to get one thing off my chest:
Ray Allen and Allen Ray - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
I have to think that Danny has at least one more move on the table, whether it happens tonight or not.
Rashard Lewis is off the table. Wonder what that might be?
I could be wrong about this, but I don't think Minny has a first next year.
Wonder if Kevin would like that back along with Al and Theo for Garnett?
Congrats Danny on your first good trade. Now that I see the C's also got Seattle's #35 pick... in this deep a draft, this could be an old-fashioned fleecing.
Delonte was WAY overrated by C's fans. Szerb is a walking injury.
Ray Allen and Big Baby Davis for a power forward with limited upside, a vastly overrated guard and the walking injury report that is Wally the Vowel.
Ainge finally pulled off a decent trade.
"Ray Allen and Big Baby Davis for a power forward with limited upside, a vastly overrated guard and the walking injury report that is Wally the Vowel.
Ainge finally pulled off a decent trade.
Jungle Jim | 06.28.07 - 11:13 pm | # "
What trade was decent? This trade, left on its own, is horrible. Now, if this trade is a precursor to moving Jefferson for Garnett or some other big deal for a top flight veteran, maybe I'll have a different opinion. But, if the team stays as it is, I'd expect Ainge to be fired this season.
I am kind of “meh” on the trade right now. This will be long….
Ray Allen is 32 years old and is nearing the end of his prime. He had not one but two ankle surgeries last season, which no doubt contributed to Ainge’s interest in him. Also ESPN reports that Seattle wanted Boston to throw in Rondo, and Ainge countered by asking Seattle to throw in Swift. Good fucking grief. Ainge’s almost traded the point guard of the Celtics for Side Show Bob. I am happy that they drafted a PG in the 2nd round. I was starting to worry that Sebustian might be back for Year 2.
Ray Allen does become the best player on the Boston Celtics, though. He is like Pierce, only if Pierce could shoot, dribble, and didn’t flop to get to the free throw line every play – minus some rebounding. From a basketball standpoint this is a huge upgrade. Allen is a massive upgrade from Tony Allen.
Unfortunately, this is a team whose current best guy is a borderline all-star who gets paid like he’s Tim Duncan. Considering what this team has, it is a good idea to get a known commodity on this roster.
Pierce is signed long-term. Whether we like it or not, Danny opted not to deal Pierce and rebuild correctly when he took over the job. Boston is stuck complimenting Pierce and trying to contend with him until he retires, most likely.
Considering that Danny was probably going to take Yi Jainlin, I like the trade. On a team full of question marks – Rondo, Allen, Perkins, Jefferson, and Green – the last thing I wanted was giant freaking Chinese unknown who lied about his age to play in the junior division. There is just no way of knowing that this guy was going to pan out. If Brewer or Green were the pick I might be singing a different song but as it is more than anything I am just relieved to not have Yi Jainlin on the Boston Celtics.
I know, JSimon on RealBM would’ve exploded in orgasmic ecstasy had the Celts have chosen Yi, but he also thinks that small ball wins in the NBA and would rather have Al Jefferson on the team and lose than win an NBA Championship without him. So basically he’s a fucking idiot. This was close to the right thing to do. I’d have preferred Gasol or Marion. I am happy that the Celtics kept Jefferson. I’m happy they didn’t pick Yi.
And oh boy, if Danny can really trade Theo, Al, and junk for KG that’d be quite the night for the Celtics. Now THAT is a threesome that you can build around.
I am definitely excited that Tony Allen or Gerald Green won’t be in the starting lineup. I am not too thrilled about Allen’s health, age, or reputation as a defender. I am excited that Doc has to be on a slightly shorter leash than before. He can’t blunder out of the gates into a pathetic record with Pierce, Allen, AND Jefferson and keep his job can he?
By no means is Danny done, but the Celtics did turn a corner tonight. They now have two aging stars that may very well already be past their prime. This is no longer a situatio
wow I got cut off..
situation where it can be considered appropriate to draft projects or acquire youth – not that it ever was with Pierce still on the team but that’s basically why we all say “fuck you, Danny” after every post. This team needs veterans, a coach, and winners. It looks as if Danny may have finally chosen a direction – win now. This could be the end of Banks/Perkins drafts for a while. We’ll see. This is Danny Ainge we’re dealing with.
Also Delonte will be missed. He is what he is, not a great player, but consistent for what he did. I fucking hated Wally, so good riddance to him. Also maybe Ray Ray can teach Green a thing or two.
After all that, the pick and West for Ray Allen.. I think I like it.. I just hope that Danny makes the necessary moves to put the team over the top. He is not done yet.
"And oh boy, if Danny can really trade Theo, Al, and junk for KG that’d be quite the night for the Celtics. Now THAT is a threesome that you can build around."
This is what I mean by the Allen move being a precursor. Without something like that, Boston just gave up the #5 pick and Delonte for an older Wally.
Got to disagree with you, Scintan. We got an All-Star, albeit a beat up one, for a spare part, a walking injury report and a pick that we were probably going to waste on the Chinese Big Country Reeves. I like the price, for the shooting and the leadership, the latter someone we have absolutely none of.
But I do agree that on its own, this trade improves the club only marginally. It does boot the Dolt Gerald Green to the bench where he can work on his GED, and buys Tony Allen some recovery time, unless he fucks that up, too.
Logic - which rarely if ever has anything to do with what Ainge does - seems to dictate a move for a big. Davis will help inside.
I wonder if Allen - a certified character guy - will have any impact on Garnett's musings about Boston. I'd be shocked if the question isn't or won't be asked.
Wally couldn't average 27 a game in a wheelchair league - which is where he'll be playing next year.
Allen has to be healthy, but if he is, he's automatically the best player on the Celtics - scoring, passing, leadership. Paul might be better defensively.
Looks like CelticsBlah and RealBM both blew up tonight.
That elevates the discourse on the Celtics a great deal, eh?
I just have a hard time believing that Ainge has a plan or is thinking rationally. His entire tenure so far suggests otherwise. How beat up is Ray Ray? On paper it is an upgrage. If he can really swing a deal for KG, a job well done.
Well, Pierce, a healthy Allen and Garnett win 55 games in the Least.
I never thought that Danny had the chips to land Allen and KG. If he can really do that and keep Pierce, I'd be impressed. Hopefully Rondo stays, too. And then they'd have to get a couple more guys with above NBDL skill levels to compliment them and it could be a nice run for the next couple years.
"Got to disagree with you, Scintan. We got an All-Star, albeit a beat up one, for a spare part, a walking injury report and a pick that we were probably going to waste on the Chinese Big Country Reeves. I like the price, for the shooting and the leadership, the latter someone we have absolutely none of."
Allen is turning 32 in July. I don't look at the deal being for Yi, I look at is being for the #5 pick.
If they are going to bring in another top veteran, I'm ok with the deal. If Ray Allen is the "big splash", Ainge should be fired before October comes around.
This is just a strange feeling for me. Danny Ainge made a trade, and the other team's fans booed.
When is the last time the Celtics made a deal like that?
P.S. If they're going to "go for it" now, they'd better use the full MLE and get something other than a Scalabrine level player, too.
Exactly, Scintan. Danny isn't done yet. The Ray Allen trade is a kind gesture, but he's got a lot of work to do before this team is a contender. Ray Allen alone doesn't turn a 24-win team into a 60-win team.
Even when the rumors were about Garnett, I said the same thing. It can't be one veteran. That's a complete disaster. The team has to fully invest in the "win now" mentality in order for this to be anything other than a disaster.
Think about it this way. If this team makes no other moves, and somehow squeaks into the playoffs (by no means a sure thing), that does nothing but give the team a worse pick next year, since the current squad doesn't have a chance in hell of doing anything significant next season. So, 2 years of draft picks will have been traded away for Theo's corpse, Sebastian "Trigger" Telfair, a 32 year old shooting guard who couldn't play defense if you put a gun to his head and a second round pick.
I'm in a wait and see mode. But there'd better be a very big move made, or this team will be completely screwed.
Also I'm looking at some salaries now and it's going to be tough to match up with KG's deal.
It'd have to be like Theo/Green/Al/Perk
Theo, Jefferson, Green and Scalabrine works on the ESPN trade machine.
Just saw on an ESPN forum - someone said that NECN says the latest rumor is Kirilenko for Theo/Green/a future pick.
It's my first time on the forum and I don't know the poster but I'll take it for what it is - a rumor.
This says to me that at least Danny is trying to make another trade. This is a good sign and could get interesting.
First, for the record, I agree IN TOTAL with Jeff Clark's assessment of the Allen deal over on the Blah.
The world as we know it is about to end, fellers. HAHAHAHAHA.
Now, as for Garnett, don't we hold Minny's first for next year from the Wally the Vowel deal? How's good old Kevin going to rebuild without a first - that should be pretty damn good next year?
Personally, I don't see Utah breaking up a team that made a run in the West.
Boston does not hold a Minnesota first next year. The Minnesota first is contingent upon the Clippers getting a Wolves first rounder, but that is protected. 2 seasons after the Clippers pick is when Boston would get the pick. And, due to the CBA, it's possible that Boston will never get that #1, and may have to settle for a #2.
Fine.
Offer them our first, then.
I'm really ambivalent about Garnett. I like the Allen deal, but the Celtics need some continuation.
Pierce's, Allen's, and Garnett's careers (or peaks) should end at all about the same time. Then it's plop, right back into the shithouse.
I think we should hold on to Al. Now, if we could swing a deal for Gasol or Shane Battier or somebody using our other "talent", I would be for that.
Well, considering we've spent all or most of the last four years in the shithouse ...
Garnett would automatically be one of the top five or 10 Celtics of all time. Hard to say no to that.
And, chuckle, it'd be too delicious to watch the reactions of all the C's fans who care more about the youth movement than winning basketball games.
The Celtics are pretty damn close to being a team worth supporting.
Can Danny deal Theo/Al/Green for KG?
Could he trade Theo/Green/whatever for Camby, Kirilenko, Marion, or Lewis?
As it is right now I don't see the team with Ray Ray making it to the 2nd Round. Coc will probably have Allen splitting time three-ways with Tony Allen and Gerald Green and possibly even logging 10mpg at PF in a "small-ball" lineup.
He's got to make that next move. The Celtics now have 3 legitimate NBA players, get a 4th and they could be onto something. Not sure if they have the ammo to get a deal done, though.
I'm also not sure that Wyc is willing to take on another salary. We'll see. I have seen official reports that the Celtics have contacted the T-Pups and the Sonics so at least Danny isn't just sitting on his ass after that deal.
Kirilenko has to be available, the owner called him out, he had a breakdown in the playoffs, he regressed last year, Sloan hates him, he's playing out of position, and complaining about it. It also looks like Camby is being shopped.
How would people feel if the Celts kept Al, and got a player who is less than KG - like Andrei or Camby? And is this even a possibility considering what the Celts have to offer?
Where have you gone, Dr. Ches--nutt?
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you... youUUU.
What's that you say, Celtics Doomers?
The Good Doctor has left and gone away... ay-ay-ay... ay...ay...ay
I also wonder if Bibby could be available. He had an off-year and the Kings are a mess. I wonder if they'd be up for a salary dump + picks + a couple young guys.
I just don't understand all the sudden enthusiasm based upon a 32 year old jumpshooter. This team hasn't even done enough to guarantee itself a playoff spot.
Again, if the move is accompanied by another big move (Amare/KG) I'll be loving it. But, if nothing further develops, it's yet another stupid move by Ainge.
To me, how good the trade turns out to be really depends on whether it's a move made in a vacuum or a move made as part of a conceived and well-executed plan.
This is good stuff, courtesy of Brickowski on the Blah - who proclaimed a couple of days ago his love for the Raptors and his intention to leave the board:
"As I said in the threads yesterday I'd rather have Orien Greene than any of the options you mention except Steve Blake, who will be too expensive. Greene turns the ball over alot, but he's 6-4 and he can defend-- at the 1 or the 2. But I guess that speeding ticket in Waltham ruins any chance he might have with our brilliant ownership.
I also like the iea of bringing an experienced player from Europe, e.g. Will Solomon."
Short of a playoff berth, I don't know how much more fun I could have than watching Jeff's Blah posse turn on the franchise, confronted with - gasp - being wrong about their beloved youth movement.
Good times, fellas.
Trading for Garnett is insanity....
And Jeff Clark has officially lost his mind.
You can get a guy like Gasol or Camby for half the price, not give up Jefferson, and be better in the long run... Those guys play better defense, don't need the basketball in their hands to be effective, and have brains twice the size of Garnett's.
I'm not a youth movement guy, but do you really want to give up our best young post player since.... Kevin McHale? For 1-3 years of Garnett?
"Trading for Garnett is insanity....
And Jeff Clark has officially lost his mind.
You can get a guy like Gasol or Camby for half the price, not give up Jefferson, and be better in the long run... Those guys play better defense, don't need the basketball in their hands to be effective, and have brains twice the size of Garnett's.
I'm not a youth movement guy, but do you really want to give up our best young post player since.... Kevin McHale? For 1-3 years of Garnett?
Rocky | 07.02.07 - 11:23 am | # "
Gasol isn't even better than Garnett on defense in Gasol's wildest dreams, never mind in real life.
Last season:
Gasol: 10 R/G, 2.1 B/G, 2.75 T/G, .5 S/G
Garnett: 13 R/G, 1.7 B/G, 1.2 S/G, 2.7 TO
Garnett got three more rebounds a game. Gasol did better in blocks, Garnett in steals-- we'll call that a push. Turnovers are the same. Garnett did his work in three minutes more per game.
Gasol is four years younger. he averaged one less point per game, in three minutes less of playing time.
Garnett will cost us Al. Gasol concievably won't.
I'll go with Gasol....
I'm not sorry to see Szerbiak go. He spent a lot of time putting his hand on other people's asses. He reminded me of a guy in high school that used to stick his finger up his ass and then go around letting guys smell it thinking they were smelling pussy. Goodbye Wally, get your hand off everyone's ass.
Happy 4th Everybody...
Also I am not sure that the stats tell the whole story with Gasol and Garnett. KG is always in the running for All-NBA defensive teams, Gasol I think is considered to be soft.
Both approaches have their merits. Garnett is easily one of the top players in the game and Gasol is a very good player who may not cost Al Jefferson.
Is Wyc willing to pay? Trading for KG or Gasol would most likely mean that Wyc would have to pay the luxyry tax, maybe even multiple times - unless he kept the rest of the roster barren.
That's the price he will have to pay to win while building around Pierce with that salary, though. Either that or he just doesn't care and only wants to sell tickets to the Allen/Pierce show and go .500 every year..
I'd say there is an 80% chance that Danny does one of the following:
1. Signs Darko
2. Signs Keith Van Horn
3. Trades for Yi
thoughts?
I'm not sure how much can be done with the salary cap situation. Theo's contract money has to go to Al next year, and I don't see Wyc paying the luxury tax. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Darko, just can't figure how to pull it off financially.
Unless, of course, you ship Al out. Right now, he's nowhere near a max player. Maybe 5 for 55, tops, IMHO. And I'd certainly try to avoid paying that much to a guy who can't guard Red's rotting, fetid corpse.
Tittyfuck, I hope you are wrong. If Wyc's plan is really to give Pierce/Allen 2/3 of the team's salary cap and then just sit there with their thumbs up their asses - then this is a stupid plan.
I don't think there are too many people who think a Pierce/Allen/Jefferson threesome will be contending for NBA championships. Also they are going to have to pay Rondo and whatever other kids they want to keep which could also very easily put the Celtics in luxury tax range even without any other major additions.
eh, what does Wyc care.. People will buy tickets to watch Pierce and Allen - and the majority of the fan base won't even call him out for lying when he said he was committed to bringing a championship to Boston.
It's a frustrating team to be a fan of. We have no idea what the team is willing to spend or what the team's immediate goals are.
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My hiney is tiny
If you think it don't stink
It can be a vaginy
Will, I need to hook you up with the Old Bag. You two deserve each other. So we signed a new guy, Wallace(?). Rondo's shot doesn't look any better so far, and we sure could use another big.
I have got to reccomend the "Players in the NBA with a low BBIQ. The Definitive List" Thread on RealBM.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/vie...=asc&
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GreenerPastures may have secured the Wigglestrue Honororary Internet Dolt of the Year Award. If you sift through the replies, you'll see Darth Celtic claiming to have a high IQ, and then someone claiming that 1 in 5 people in the USA can not read.
High comedy.
Rashard Lewis.... Let's all be thankful that wasn' the Celtics that made that deal..
Lewis, even with his deal, would have been far better than doing nothing.
Unless, that is, you think Davis, Pruitt and Wallace are the next Run TMC or something.
This team sucks. Danny makes a trade for Ray Allen and even Celticsdoomers speculate that the Celtics might actually be trying to win basketball games.
What happens in the next couple weeks? Danny makes a run at Joe Smith and Keyon Dooling while all low-priced veterans that would help go and sign with other teams. We're treated to damage-control articles in the local papers talking about how Ratliff might help on the court next year.
Unreal. Fire Danny, fuck Coc. I actually do hope they can trade Sebustian for Jasikevicius, he looked pretty freaking good in international play a few years ago. Yeah he didn't really succeed in the NBA but I think he has a better chance than Bassy and we could use a PG that can shoot.
And Soreooonus doesn't carry a gun, eh?
If Danny's done dealing, then the Allen trade was a waste. If he isn't, it might not have been.
Pretty simple. If we're rolling the Fred G. Sanford of the NBA, Theo Ratliff, out there in the middle, we're scrood.
Don't forget Jim, if Perkins went to four years of college, he'd be a rookie this year. He obviously would've dominated D1 basketball for the past four years and the top three would've been 1A - Greg Oden, 1B - Kevin Durant, and 1C - Kendrick Perkins and he'd be in line for a huge rookie season!
Oops - sorry about that. I forgot that Danny's youth movement has been a complete failure for a second there and that Kendrick Perkins sucks.
It's not a lie and it's not pessimism to say that as long as the Celts trot Leon Powe, Scalabrine, Telfuck, Gerald Green, and Allan Ray out there and expect them to do anything besides pad their stats in garbage time - this will not be a good basketball team.
Rondo still needs time, Al still can't pass or defend, Pierce is still a ball-hog, and the centers on this team are still Perkins and Ratliff.
Another trade is comically necessary. This is how all of the fanboys originally justified the Brandon Roy trade - Ratliff's expiring would enable Boston to trade for a quality player this year. Unfortunately, due to a number of dumb financial commitments (Scal, Pierce, Perkins to name 3) the team is teetering on edge of luxury-tax land and Wyc has not demonstrated a willingness to spend.
I heard that Mark Cuban is trying to buy the Chicago Cubs! Can we get him to buy the Celtics, too? Anyone got any ideas how we could make this happen?
With every passing day I worry more that Wyc is going to try to pass Ray Allen off as some commitment to winning.
He's a nice piece, but Ray Allen alone isn't going to make chicken salad out of the chickenshit Wyc and Danny have assembled.
As for Perkins, he sucks. As does IQ #5, who looked like the mental midget he obviously is during yet another horseshit summer leage.
Can we put Green in a box and keep telling people he's going to be a star, so we can get something in trade for his worthless ass?
With every passing day I worry more that Wyc is going to try to pass Ray Allen off as some commitment to winning....
Jungle Jim | 07.16.07 - 5:06 pm | #
The homers are starting to get that feeling too, and they're beginning to lose their minds as they attempt to justify it.
There are still some claiming that Boston will finish in the top 3 this season. I'm just wondering what's going to happen when they realize that teams they were expecting to slip, like New Jersey, have gotten better, and teams like Milwaukee could be much improved.
Has Danny signed Van Horn yet?
Nah. He's going to have to make a move for Yi to stop the tears of the youth movement pussies.
Checking in:
Jim, the chicken salad comment was hysterical.
Disagree with you on Perk. Problem is under this "defense" or whatever it is that Rivers has out there, Perk's biggest weakness is exposed. He doesn't have the mobility to chase guards on the perimeter. He'll be a solid role player if coaching ever figures that out. There'll be few enough basketballs as it is and you'll need players who don't need the ball to be effective. With lazy defenders like Pierce and Allen on the roster it's not a bad thing to have someone with an actual defensive work ethic around the other high schoolers.
The Allen acquisition was to humor you, Jim. Enjoy the ride. Unfortunately, until Rivers is replaced, they could bring in anybody you want in and it won't alter the result much.
Chuckle. Rivers isn't a great coach, but Red couldn't win with the kiddie corps Ainge built for last season.
In the meantime, lots of entertainment as Celtic Thug gets booted by the same sanctimonious dick who encouraged him on RealBM - Dumbass Darth - and takes his bullshit act to Celtics Blah.
Good times.
Equally funny to pick up the Boston papers and read Glenn chastizing the fan base for overrating Jefferson.
Must be a busy day on the links or the ocean, because the Al Jefferson to the Hall of Fame Society has been ominously quiet today.
Shak,
I disagree on Perk. He is not ready to contribute on a winner. If the Celtics are trying to win, as the Ray Allen acquisition suggests, they need to make another move for a player who can really protect the rim. Perk is six fouls and a few scowls per game at this point.
He looked somewhat promising two years ago so there might be hope for him, but his injuries are worrisome. Stojakovic is a shell of his former self with the exact same injury.
Danny got Ratliff so that he would have an expiring contract to deal for an actual NBA player. He better use it. The Celtics didn't have to trade for Ray Allen and they didn't have to resign Pierce - they could've dealt Pierce for players making less money and chosen a less expensive path.
Since they chose to take on two players with $18mil+ salaries, they have no choice but to pay the tax if they want to win with this current mix.
Does Wyc care enough to do that? Does Danny have the skill as a GM to get anything of worth for Ratliff/Green/Perk? Those are the questions that need to be resolved. My guess is that we will be treated to a 2007-08 season of watching this glorified .500 roster coached by Shits Rivers and expected to believe that the Celtics are trying to win championships.
"I think we compare pretty well to Dallas in terms of talent" - HumbleBum, RealBM
HAHAHAHAHA.
What the hell is he talking about? The Cowboys?
That site is positively hilarious: Bullshit posts like that, interspersed with the dicks who moderate the board congratulating themselves on their wisdom.
What's most worrisome about Perkins is he has the offensive skills of Will Roberts.
Celtics release Allan Gay. Now we don't even get to be amused by Tommy trying to call a game in which Ray Allen and Allan Ray are both in the game at the same time. It's pretty sad, that is one of the things I was looking forward to most about the 2007-08 Boston Celtics.
Oh yeah, have I mentioned lately that we suck, and that I fucking hate Wyc, Danny, and Coc? Just thought I'd throw that out there. I hope everyone who still visits this site is enjoying there summer. What a miserable team to be a fan of. The Celtics have demonstrated a complete inability to adapt to the salary cap era.
I actually met a guy who started counting Spurs' championships as Celtics' championships out of frustration. By his count, we're up to 19. This team is truly a joke.
gotta love the NBA.
I've been wondering of late exactly how much of the league is on the up and up and how much is in the control of mafia thugs and punk criminals. The whole league is a fucking farse at this point so at least Wyc and Ainge are off the hook. Or maybe they look all the more pathetic as there the lowest of the low in a fucking low brow hoodwinking, carnival barking bullshit league that should be scrapped and started all over again.
I wouldn't be surprised if Stern has been making back room deals all along and the officials have been winking and nodding there way around for years. Stern probably is in the pocket of Vegas thugs and chinese mobsters.
fuck wyc, fuck danny, fuck doc, fuck stern.
It did crack me up that celticsblah trudges along cranking out endless dreck to the tune of "NEXT YEAR WILL BE EXCITING FOR THE UP AND COMING CELTICS!!!!" as the NBA is crumbling and not one article about it except to so "It's no big deal, this will actually fix things!!"
Well, here's a little interruption on a nice Sunday:
No one is more critical of the egomaniacal cesspool that is Real BM, but ...
A poster named Kingly who posts rarely - same guy who runs Al's Web site - indicated today that the Al for Garnett deal is alive.
Kingly is one of a handful of posters on that board I'd take seriously.
Something to ponder.
And now Kingly says that something could go down in 24 hours.
If RealBM actually breaks a story like this, you'll never be able to get a cap on the heads of those butt plugs like Darth Celtic, Super Deluxe and their asshole buddies.
Make it happen, Danny.
Is this a done deal? The Herald put up an article at 4:07 saying that Ainge had worked out an extention for KG and that the deal was essentially complete, with Rondo staying and Gomes going.
I think it's what they had to do after the Ray Allen trade. Danny took a 24-win team and turned it into a team with KG, Allen, and Pierce. I don't know what to say, I didn't think this would've been possible. Hopefully he'll sign another PG and see what happens this year.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I will publicly apologize to Laurel and Hardy, uhm, I mean, Danny and Doc, here and on CelticsBlah, if this team makes it to the NBA finals under their leadership.
Well, I'm in shock.
This is one of the most amazing reconstructions of a pile of dog shit in NBA history.
I don't know what pleases me more - the fact that the Boston Celtics are relevant again, or the chance to watch the titty babies wail on the Web.
"Ryan Gomes? OH NOOOOOOOO. It's a deal breaker."
What a bunch of idiots we have for fans.
This is pretty exciting. I think Antoine's jealous. This is the best shot we have had at a title in twenty years. The best thing is with these three vets the coaching should be a lot easier for Coc. Can't wait to see our salaries and the luxury tax situation. We will be the talk of the league, featured on all the magazines, the Celtics are relevant again. Just go out and kick some ass and get this twenty year bile out of my system. Now, if Danny could just trade the Old Bag...
holy fuck. I think I might offer to blow Danny Ainge.
I agree with Jim, an added side benefit are the maudlin posts about how much we'll miss Gerald Green and Ryen Gomes.
Green looked like a spastic asshole in summer league for those that didn't watch.
Is Chestnutt or Pierce Overrated still alive?
We have so many fucking idiots posting on the various message boards. Ryan Gomes is a deal-breaker, Gerald Green and his uniform number 5 IQ will be sorely missed.
Jeebus, how stupid can people be? For God's sake, we now have three HOFers, three of the league's top 20 scorers, the league's top rebounder and all you stupid shits can talk about is "we lost our bench."
Well, guess what? The bench we lost sucks balls. Big Al will have a nice career; name me anyone else involved in this deal who will be so much as remembered in 10 years.
The Celtic fan base is polluted with idiots who care more about their individual favorites than the team itself. Idiots, one and all.
Revile me if you will, but the Celtics gave up a LOT to get a 30/31 year old Garnett. Pierce was hurt last year. Allen was hurt last year. What are the odds that all three of these guys are going to be healthy all year this year, next year and the year after, before they really run down? Jefferson is a star in the making. Greeen is dumb but is also young - only two years out of hs, poor summer notwithstanding. These guys develop with time. The number one pick on 2008, and the other pick in 2009, gone, and drafting is Ainges strong point. Gomes is a good role player. Telfair will never amount to anything. I'm just not convinced that what they lost in AJ/Green/the picks/ justifies the one guy. I was willing to wait for AJ and Green, and dump Pierce for mid-season.
Like it or not, this trade is all about Desparate Danny trying to salvage his job. It's all or nothing this year. And even a pussy like Wyc couldn't not fire Danny if this year was anything like the past four.
One funny side story to this trade is...Didn't Al Jeff, in his role as eighth-grade educated corporate cocksucker, malign Blount and Davis publicly before the two exiled to Minnesota? I'm sure they'll be waiting to welcome the young dummy with open arms.
Green isn't intelligent enough to ever amount to anything. He's entering his third year without making any significant progress, and according to Bulpett, even McHale doesn't think he's going to be a player. He's flotsam attached to make the trade work.
As for value in this deal, we moved Al and picks for Garnett. It's a steal, plain and simple - and it's pretty easy to tell where the fans fall on the team vs. individual debate by reading their reactions.
I believe that Al did indeed malign the lazy one and the one who wouldn't play when his braider was out of town.
Chortle. That ought to be interesting.
BTW, our old trolling buddy Jeff Clark deserves some props. I've been reading some of his work over the past six months and he's grown much more even-handed in his handling of the Celtics.
While some of those around him - Brickowski is one name who comes to mind - continue to erode their own credibility by refusing to accept that they were wrong about the kids (trade chips, not a viable NBA group), good old Jeff found his objectivity.
Welcome to the "winning is what matters" crowd, Jeff.
I really can't figure out that Brickowski guy. He didn't like the team before the trade, he hates it even worse now. In his opinion, drafting Mike Conley Jr. was our answer to everything. If he really liked the old team, he can root for the TWolves, they're more of the old Celtics than we are. This league is all about winning now, worrying about what's going to happen in 2010 is just a bunch of crap. Count me in on the guys that would give Danny a BJ, or, as Dr. Chestnutt used to say, I'm not gay, it's the guy behind me.
Green's basketball IQ is the same as his ex-coach's coaching IQ. It's hard to tell what he'll turn out to be because like everybody we traded, they'll have an NBA coach for the first time. Garnett is going to feel like he just re-entered elementary school playing for Rivers.
This gets us to the second round. No further. River's incompetence will cancel out the talent.
Paul Pierce and Ray Allen will never be hall-of-famers, Jim. Unless the standard is thrown into a shredder.
THIS YEAR, it's possible in terms of scoring and rebounds AJ will be very close to Garnett. Green is dumb, but he can take it to the hoop and get a shot off *at will*.
The basic point is - the Celts maybe have the pieces to compete for the EC, but if they had kept AJ and traded Pierce, then they could've built the future AND the present, with Ray Allen to lead instead of Pierce.
The Blame Rivers crowd holds no water with me - yet - because he's consistently been given a shit roster to coach. And in lieu of the tools he's been given, he's surely on a very short leash to begin with.
As for Allen and Pierce, they're most assuredly HOFers as among the best of their era. Saying they're not to justify an opinion doesn't mean anything.
Blaming Rivers for everything is an abject cop-out; the guy hasn't proven he's a great coach, but Red couldn't turn a low-IQ egomaniac like Gerald Green into a player.
Some asshole on Celticsblah named lemonadesky said he'd rather have the Timberwolves roster and prospects...where do they get these lamebrains from? When Jeff is going through his preinterview stuff to let these idiots sign on there should be some sort of mental test involved. Blount, RickyD, Bassy ... the Big Three.
Rivers is the worst head coach in the NBA, but even he can't keep this team out of the playoffs, as long as Ainge gets depth to offset injuries.
I think Danny is a disingenuous asshole, but I've been saying all along, I don't want to wait until Gerald Green grows hair on his balls for this team to be competitive.
The one thing that just amazes me, though: how does McHale still have a job? (Of course, if he takes Al under his gimpy wing, Al could be unstoppable.)
People have been underrating McHale for a long time. The league took away those draft picks, his owner basically forced him to move Cassell and killed his leverage, he had a player (Sealy) die and another suffer a career threatening injury (McCants), and he's had all of this go against him at a time where the Western Conference is much stronger than the East. He's made some bonehead moves, but outside circumstances haven't helped him at all, either.
Actually, McHale's in a boat that was leaking water big-time with KG. He needed someone to paddle - Al - and a boatload of cork - the rest of what we traded him - to buy some time.
Give me a Mutombo or a PJ Brown, and a competent vet at the point and this team wins at least 50. If it stays healthy, more.
I'll give Ainge this much credit: I thought that the day care had devalued itself so much last year that it couldn't be spun for credible help. He pulled it off anyway.
Must be a hell of a snake-oil salesman.
Did you guys see the numbers for KG's extension? It's pretty reasonable, imo.
http://www.hoopshype.com/salarie...ries/
boston.htm
Also the Herald says that Boston is looking at Charlie Bell, Eddie House, Troy Hudson, and Brevin Knight at PG and Mutombo, PJ Brown, Michael Ruffin, Calvin Booth, and Scot Pollard in the front court.
I have a feeling that they could get Hudson for the minimum, but he hasn't been able to play for four years. I think Knight is a pretty good player, and Bell had decent stats last year altho I can't say I'm too familiar with his game. Mutombo could still play as of last year and PJ Brown is always solid.
At least Boston is still looking to improve, it's a good sign.
Some rumblings that THud is going to come in at the vet minimum to be KG's binky.
The Herald says that the Celts just signed Eddie House. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he sucks. Maybe Hudson is also still in play. They also signed some NBDLer named Jackie Manuel who is 6'5", supposedly a good defender.
PJ wants the full midlevel, Dikembe is still an option..
Dikembe is my first choice. He can spot start if the team needs it, and Perkins hasn't exactly proven that he's an 82 game player to date.
Eddie House ain't Telfailure.
But he ain't Cousy, either.
A word of joy for the titty babies: Gomes may be about to get bought out by Minny.
BTW, I like Dikembe, too - even if he is 70 years old.
Bring him in.
I think we may be getting a little too upbeat here. WHERE THE FUCK IS DR. CHESTNUTT?
It's a shame when Ainge took the shit to relieve ourselves of Telfair, Ratliff, Szcerbiak, et. al., he had to pinch a loaf and leave us with Scalaburine.
Yeah seriously, where the fuck is Dr. Chestnutt?
Hope he's not fucking the Celtics newest aquisition in the ass... then, there'd truly be a doctor in the House.
"Rivers is the worst head coach in the NBA, but even he can't keep this team out of the playoffs, as long as Ainge gets depth to offset injuries."
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If they're going to mortgage the team I'd think their goal is to get out of the first round. That won't happen under Rivers no matter who Ainge fills the roster with.
Yeah, Rivers is a dolt. He only won 48 games with Walker and Payton, and he hasn't had jack shit to coach besides that.
Dude's no Red, but I'm not going to bury a guy who's been coaching the fucking 72-3 Sixers for the past two seasons.
Rivers has been coaching in the NBA for 8 seasons and has never won more than 45 games in a season. If you're counting on him to help bring home the title, you might as well start planning for disappointment now. This team will win in spite of Rivers, not because of him.
question, are you guys happy with this setup or would you like to have your own blog? perhaps run by Jungle Jim? it wouldn't be hard to set up and if I can help someone like CelticsThug, I sure don't have a problem helping you guys (and no it isn't just because JJ actually paid me a compliment - that must have hurt 
)
I just feel bad checking in here and seeing 500+ comments on one really old post
but if you guys are fine with it, more power to ya
(p.s. I miss Dr. Chestnutt)
Question, who else could the Celts hire to coach? I think Jeff Van Gundy is still jobless. I think he's a good coach, but he's still a Knick to me and I'd rather not think about John Starks everytime I turn on a Celtics game.
I think Adelman might be looking for work, too, but he couldn't put it together with some loaded Kings teams and did a very poor job running the offense through a gimpy Webber when Vlade worked so well with the rest of that team.
We all know that Doc isn't great, he doesn't manage lineups well and he has failed numerous times to draw up one play that will work in crunch time. That could change now that he has talent on his roster, but I don't think anyone has very high expectations. Who is the best man for the job if Boston starts the year 5-9 and Doc gets canned?
Also I'd read a JJ blog everyday. I really just wish Dr. Chestnutt would come back and grace us with his wit, but I'm sure he's working hard and getting paid somewhere. Didn't some of you guys know him? Is JerkyCsFan still alive? Anyone on Wizznuts know the guy? We at least want a status update on the good Dr. I can't believe he didn't even swing by to drop some doom after that lottery night debacle.
With that said, I don't mind it here, either. A lot of great posters that I really enjoy reading already post here and it wouldn't be worth a move, imo, unless everyone went with it. It might spread the already thin roster of celticsdoomers too thin and then I could be stuck on realbm or some other site talking celtics if people stopped checking in.
Actually, Jeff, the transformation in your site continues, including my total agreement with your position on the Garnett deal.
Pretty simple: Winning begats winning. That's why you make the deal. Certainly, the bench issue has to be addressed now and into the season, but I like Eddie House and Tony Allen as a defensive stopper is a good thing. I think Scals can help a good team, and Deke would seal the deal.
My frustration was - and will continue to be - with people who'd rather identify with a player or a group than with the success of the franchise. The Celtics are bigger than Big Al, Green, et al., even Garnett, Pierce, Ray Allen.
But now that the sadness of excuses has been replaced by the excitement of a commitment to winning, I can see the Celtics I grew to know and love coming back.
Celtic Pride is trite, but it's applicable here. It's finally back.
I'm kinda curious about Doc, too - but I'm not totally convinced that he can't coach a good team.
I'd feel better if he had a Del Harris or a Tommy Heinsohn on the bench to kick him in the nads when he runs off track, though.
We were pretty good with Walkah and Payton. Doc didn't screw that up - too much.
When Doc rode Walker and Payton to "48" wins (including playoffs), didn't we still have Obie's defensive guy, Dick Harter?
Doc totally sucks. I hope he doesn't screw this up.
It seems like Harter got shitcanned at mid-season, but I might be wrong about that.
Gotta think that anything less than a fast start and Rick Adelman or a Dave Cowens-type is in Bahsten in a nanosecond.
Reggie Miller? He averaged 15ppg just two years ago. It's hard to think he'd be any worse than what we've got now. He'd be a good guy to throw out there in foul shooting situations and would help break down zone defenses and who knows? He might even get on a few rolls over the course of the season.
I'm sure he can still run off a screen and bury a three. For a limited role, which he would obviously have, sign me up. Coc and Danny have been calling him and he's mulling over the decision to come back with friends and family. I'd like to see him on the team.
The other day I was eating my lady and I pulled away for a few moments. She asked me what I was doing, and I said I had to think outside the box. Sounds like that's what Danny and Coc are doing. Sign up Reggie, let's get it on.
For 10 or 15 minutes, a couple of long range bombs and some heavy-duty leadership, I'm down with Reggie. Sign me up.
Does anyone know how you can make your asshole bigger?
Yeah. Buy her a pair of high heels.
Become a RealBM moderator.
Enlarge a picture of Danny Ainge on your computer.
Don't forget Coc.
Something new from the youth movement titty babies, courtesy of UK Celtic on Jeff's board:
"I'm beginning to get the impression that KG is just 'using' the Celtics to get himself a ring and that he has no real interest in the city of Boston or Celtics fans.
Obviously, everyone here knows about KG'S refusal to play in Boston until the draft day trade for Ray Allen but it seems as if KG really has no interest in the city that he will play in.
There was an article on freep.com that some of you may have seen about how Chauncey Billups convinced Garnett to come to Boston. The part I found most interesting was this:
"Then, KG asked me, 'What about the city?' I said, 'You don't go out anyway, so it doesn't matter. You don't go out of the house. You could play in Alaska.' He's like, 'Yeah, you're right.' "
So, it seems as if KG really doesn't like Boston. Is he a Celtic just because it provides him with the biggest chance of success, not because of it's great fans or history?
I'm not KG bashing, I had mixed feelings when he was traded to the Celtics. It just bothers me that we gave up a group of young guys, especially Al who loved being a Celtic and who wanted to succeed as a Celtic, for a guy who seems to only care about the chance for a ring before he retires.
It's widely known how competitive KG is, is he just 'tolerating' Boston so he doesn't become one of the greatest players ever to have played in the NBA, not to have a Championship ring?
I'm sure this won't be a popular opinion but I felt 'attached' to Jefferson and the other guys we traded and don't like the idea of a player being a Celtic and not appreciating the team or the fans."
The guy quite correctly has been getting ripped.
I don't give a shit if the young guys told the media that they loved being Celtics. Obviously young NBA players don't want to be labeled as headcases, so unless they are complete morons they will say the right thing. Millions of dollars in potential earnings depend on it.
What we did know about that young team from last year was that an 18-game losing streak was shrugged off as no big deal. I'm having a hard time missing those guys, especially considering that they brought back a Franchise Player in a trade.
Jefferson was good - but he didn't pass and he didn't defend. I can't believe people are crying because he brought back Kevin Garnett in a trade. I hope he has a fine career and I know that KG isn't 25 anymore, but I'm just glad we can now have conversations, outside of RealBM of course, about winning 50 games instead of having conversations about whether or not the Celtics are going to break the all-time NBA record for consecutive losses.
Amen to that.
I recognize Jefferson was a player with potential, albeit a player whose quality was confined - at this point - to some low post offensive moves.
But beyond that, Gerald Green is a dolt. West and Gomes are role players - God, I simply cannot believe the wailing and gnashing of teeth that dealing the loudmouth Gomes has created - and we gave up only minimal draft pick value for a franchise player.
Reality is that some fans are hung up on individuals over team success, and they dumb down every serious NBA discussion that they pollute with their drivel.
Yeah, young players are cute. But I think the trade was worth it just to get rid of Telfair.
I'm not sure why we're hating on Gomes, though. He was a trooper while he was with the Celts, and, compared to eighth-grade-educated knuckleheads like Telfair, Green, Perk, and Jefferson, Gomes was a fucking genius.
I wish they could've gotten rid of Scal, too.
I agree for the most part, Anon. However, I liked Gomes more before he decided that he was a three-point shooter. He was very useful just rebounding and getting garbage points.
But yeah, I agree. I didn't get the sense that I was watching retardation in action when I watched Gomes play. The same can not be said for most of the other guys from last year.
Jeff, let me speak on behalf of us Celticsdoomers... I think that it would be a great idea to get a place just for us, an All-Exclusive Club if you will.
All the current Doomers get a membership. New members can only join by invitation, and approval by at least one of the other members. In other words, it will be hard to become a new member.... you will really have to bring the pain.
What do you guys think?
"What do you guys think?
Rocky | 08.19.07 - 1:03 am | # "
You need someone around to run it or you end up with a situation like the one at this site.
At first I thought, no, we need Dr. Chestnutt. But, Dr. Chestnutt is not walking through that door. So, yes, I'd like an active Celtics Doom site even if it is run by that crazy bastid, Jungle Jim.
Just kidding, JJ.
you all should just go to chairchuckers
It was basically a celticsdoom message board for the last 3 years. that is unless you want a blog jim?
Chuckle.
Well, I like Rocky's idea in whatever form it would have to take. I like the closed membership, open moderation model best. These things get fucked up when moderators try to impose their opinion on everyone else.
Right, Darth?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, my thinking behind the closed membership thing was not that they have to agree with the moderator or the general opinion, but that they have to have something more interesting to say than "Paul Pierce is my favorite player."
I also agree with putting the crazy bastard JJ in charge.
There's not really a need for a closed membership if you just build in an assclown forum like Patriots Planet did.
It would be nice to see some of the thoughtful/controversial/fill in the blank posters who've stopped going to Celticsblog (for whatever reason) back in action come the start of the season.
Jungle Jim, email me and I'll see what I can do.
Interesting thought.
But I would have to impose a new and different moderator philosophy:
I pledge to ban anyone who agrees with me.
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Fine. If you think the Old Bag is the most beautiful, sexiest, mild tempered, glowingly pleasant woman ever in history with a gorgeous rack and a million dollar pussy that never stinks, I'm in.
Like Flynn.
This is great.... I AM VERY EXCITE!!
I just hope we don't lose anybody in the move.
And I hope Dr. Chestnutt graces us with his presence at the new home..
I also propose that the new site be named realbm.com/celtics.
I haven't heard from JJ
Celtics are interested in Ruben Patterson. A man best known for being a registered sex offender and for getting his eye socket broken by team mate Zach Randolf during a fight at practice.
My favorite Ruben moment was when he made that really long speech declaring himself "The Kobe Stopper" prior to a Lakers/Blazers series. If I remember correctly, Kobe went on to average nearly 40ppg in the series and they kept showing Ruben's quote on TV. Good times had by me..
Seriously though, can't say I'm too excited about Ruben and Tony Allen hitting the Chicago nightclub scene together on road trips.
Honestly though, I haven't even seen him play since he was on 'Sheed and Sabonis' Blazers teams that I loved watching. Could he help? Better/worse than Allen? On Portland his role was very minimal and he wasn't asked to do much. His stats look nice, I'm not sure if he's worth the headache, though.
The article also mentioned that Boston was interested in Dahntay Jones and James Posey. I think Posey would be an interesting option if he doesn't return to Miami.
Well hot damn, the Celtics signed James Posey according to the Herald/ 2-year $7million, with year 2 being Posey's option.
6'8", defends, and shoots the three. The highlight of the deal for me is that it will limit the amount of minutes Tony Allen will see. I can not stand Tony Allen.
This also provides excellent insurance at the SG and SF positions because lets be realistic - Ray Allen at 32 coming off of two ankle surguries is likely to miss some time at some point. Posey is a guy who has started and produced in the NBA. He was easily one of the top free agents still avaliable, he's a nice pickup.
The MLE is gone for this year, so I'm not sure what the Celts intend to do with the Center position. Can't believe we went from watched Telfair, Gomes, Jefferson, and Allan Ray to watching KG, Pierce, Allen, and Posey.
Celts are looking pretty serious about making a run. Can't wait to see how it plays out on the court.
Ainge has put together a bench of question marks. I'd assume that at least half pan out alright because they should be coming to fill small and limited roles, and not to be major players. However, that still leaves this team weak at the point and at center. The two biggest problems post-trade are still the two biggest problems post-trade. I'd still look to do whatever I possibly could to get Dikembe on the team, for example.
There may be some interesting options at PG. Cassell, Hudson, and Jasikevicius could still be bought out and if there were Boston would be a prime destination for any of those guys. A team with good players that needs help at point. Gary Payton could potentially be an option as well. I just hope and pray that Tony Allen won't be seeing any minutes at PG.
Center is a much larger question mark. I'm not sure who they can bring it for the vet minimum. I hope it's not Olowokandi, though.
I have a question, does Boston still have the LLE? It's possible Mutombo or maybe even PJ Brown could be had for that if those guys don't get deals soon.
Nice get with Posey. He could be the best Celtics enforcer since Jungle Jim... not this one, the old one-- Jungle Jim Loscutoff.
I'm happy about Posey. Put me in the "can't stand inmate #42" camp. Posey has actually done something and keeps it pretty quiet and makes his statments while the clock is running not after the whistle blows.
I remember the Kobe stopper stuff as well. Patteron is a fucking idiot.
Hmmm...why is there an ad for that Nazi fucking idiot Ann Coulter on here?
Anyhow, I'm not gonna hate on Inmate 42. Even though I think he's as dumb as some of the overgrown (and undergrown, in Telfailure's case) high-schoolers Danny just erased from his four horrible years as GM, Tony has some serviceable skills. He can get to the basket and defend fairly well. I don't care what he does off the court (short of drowning maimed dogs in his swimming pool, I guess), and I hope he can mature and develop into a good role player.
I liked Tony Allen as rookie. He played within himself and brought a lot of energy to the team. Then he sucked in his 2nd year as a Celtic. Dribbles with his head down and makes horrible decisions with the ball. If there are three guys in the paint, he is a mortal lock to barrell torwards the basket with his head down. Open lane to the hoop? 18-footer incoming.
Factoring in his nightclub incident and the fact that he blew out his knee 10 seconds after the whistle and I just wish he'd follow Telfuck, Blount, and Green right off the roster.
I would have to agree with you on one point, though. If he buys into the newly acquired veteran leadership, settles down, and matures, he could be a valuable role player. He has the energy and ability to not be worthless on the basketball court. Hopefully he'll still be able to rely on his athleticism after the injury because without that he could become a pretty worthless player.
Well? Have NBA Finals tickets gone on sale yet?
Too bad Basstardy isn't around this year to guarantee playoffs again. This time he might even be right.
Where the fuck is Dr. Chestnutt?
For Halloween I'm going to paint my nuts blue and put them in a little underwear nest and go as a pair of robin's eggs.
Uh, Will? That's not even funny. C'mon, man, you can do better.
All right, how's this? If Doctor Chestnutt does a post within the next thiry days from this date I will never post here again. Ever. If he doesn't post, I've got a million of 'em, including a really good Larry Craig story.
I miss Dr. Chestnutt so much!!
Been a long time...
Are we happy with this team now?
How about signing a PG or a C at Mid Season.
I dont know maybe even Dr. cant beleive its probably going to work....?
Dr. Chestnutt, please post so that we don't have to hear any more from Will Roberts. Plus, we'd like to know that you are alive and well, and your opinion of all the moves that have been made. So, lay off the roller blading for one afternoon and give us your thoughts. Life with the Old Bag is tough enough, but add on that Will Roberts asshole and it's unbearable in my world. You too, jerkysfan aka Pierce Overrated.
I have a friend who is a Bucks fan. I just realized we got KG and Ray Allen and his team got Jake Voskuhl and Royal Ivey. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh yeah and I almost forgot they also got Yi Jainlin! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I pointed this out to him he responded by saying that shits rivers will somehow mess this team up. A good point, but still not good enough to make me stop laughing..
So yeah, Eric Williams, Kelvin Cato, Linton Johnson, and Esteban Batista worked out for Boston.
I always liked EWill's spin move and emphasis on defense, but I don't think he has a place on this roster, not to mention he has been toast for years.
Cato is an absolute stiff, but is less of a stiff than Kandi so if that's what it comes down to, then fine. I'm unfamiliar with Johnson, and I see Batista wants a guaranteed contract in exchange for a camp invite. Umm.. This guy any good? Who does he think he is?
You rock.
Is the man still alive???
wheres Mr. Ch
I think we're all going to be glad we're Celtics fans this season. I like everything I am seeing and hearing about this team. I think these guys, especially the stars, are hungry. And that's what it takes. Doctor, you got us through some crappy times. Let us know you're alive and well.
I'm going to tip my 40 oz and pour out a little liquor for Doc Chestnutt.
Some of the best and most entertaining writing I've come across.
Y'know, I agree. I toast my Duvel to Dr. Chestnutt.
But, on the other hand, if he doesn't come back to lead us through this new season, he's a big fucking pussy.
Hola, Lads.
Jim is back from a little siesta.
interestin' the JJ rant about Garnett not loving Beantown.....Who cares?!?! I mean the Mass accent is enuf to drive any sane person insane....
Garnett, Allen, Pierce, Perk look veryyy good against the early B-teams that we've played and maybe Rondo's gonna be ok too. Our bench has looked spotty, I don't ever want to see them in together en mass, and hopefully that'll never have to happen.
Posey looks almost absent in his minutes to me, I haven't seen his, er, "lock-down" defense so far. Allen's a long ways away. House looked great in game 1.....Baby's going to be pretty good, Scals gonna be ok at 1 or 2 plays a game max..The passing of Garnett to Perk and back looks great.
I excite too!
Welcome back JJ. Did you get a chance to catch any of the games?
I think KG looks terrific. This guy is a top 5-10 NBA player. I know all the RealGMers have been telling us that Pierce is a franchise player for years, but now, thankfully, we get to watch an actual franchise player in green.
Allen looks great, too. Pierce.. Well, I still think he looks like a fat ball-hogging turnover machine who doesn't play any D, constantly flops, and pouts instead of running back on D when he doesn't get calls.
Maybe my perception of him is tainted by years of watching him be the face of a losing franchise. I hope so. I'd like to see the team rack up an impressive number of wins rendering me with very little to complain about.
Still no Dr. Chestnutt sighting, I see. Well, for now, I'll simply say that the center and point positions are still problematic, but luck has been mostly favorable this offseason.
I have read Chestnutt's alter-ego, Bob Dylan, tangled up in blue on the Celticsblog site quite a few times. I assume its him, but you never know...
The Triumvirate suffered its first loss last night to the lowly Knicks, in a game they and their assistant, Coc Rivers, tried desparately to win. Maybe the days of Doom and Gloom are not over.
Was thinking the same thing, Anon. Seems like we're still missing a piece ( backup big ). And, of course, we have Coc. Hey, Dr. Chestnutt, are you out of the fire zone out there in southern Cali? If you're in it, welcome to my world with the Old Bag. She's put on another 15 since last season, her pussy is the wrinkle with the hair on it.
You're right, myassholestnxduzyrs?, they were missing Perk, a bonafide career backup big. Watching Scal watch the rebounding action was extremely painful, probably worse than watching you and the old bag try to have sex.
If they don't win tonight, the season's toast!
Imagine if we had a center that sucked less than Perkins.
Mark Blount might be available.
I know it's very early on, but Chicago, Cleveland, and Miami don't seem to be all they're cracked up to be.
Am I still stuck in hate-mode? Am I over reacting after just two games? Or is Kendrick Perkins really the worst center in the entire NBA. Also you've gotta love RealGM. I must've read 10 different people call Rajon Rondo a lockdown defender right after TJ Ford scored 33 points and Rondo played limited minutes due to 5 fouls.
I was thrilled to see Posey play against Toronto. He played well, defended Bosh down the stretch, and limited Tony Allen to just 2 minutes. Great work!
Scalaburine still got more time than he should. And I thought Eddie House wasn't supposed to be the backup pg (although who else it there?). I think House and Posey should be the first two guys off the bench. And we still need a better play than a Pierce iso for the last shot of the game.
I got my first taste of live Celtics action tonight. What a game. Not even the most diehard celticsdoomer could criticize this one. I think Rondo had 5 breakaway layups in the game (one of which he missed). Pierce, as much as I hate him, looked great. Perk even looked good. There was even a "SCAL-A-BRI-NI" chant in the 4th quarter. Amazin.
Ugh, please don't tell me Scalaburine is going to turn into one of those fan favorite pet white guys like Danny planned.
As much as many people were reluctant to trade Al Jeff for Garnett (I was reluctant but gave it the thumbs it), Garnett makes Al Jeff look like Brian Scalabrine.
I just realized that a side-bonus to the KG trade is that JSimon no longer posts on RealBM. All he'd ever do was highjack threads and talk about Al Jefferson's greatness. He hung around for a couple weeks after Al became a T-Pup, and now he's gone.
In one move, Ainge got KG on the Celtics and got JSimon to retire from posting. I will be speechless if he doesn't win executive of the year.
JSimon's asshole stinks. Maybe Dr. Chestnutt was prescient and didn't think this particular season was doomed. Worried about Posey's back, we definitely need him. Garnett and Allen are so good, and make everyone, including Pierce and Doc, better. Ainge taking last years crap and turning it into this team is the greatest single season GM job I have ever seen.
I'll be honset, I'm a little worried about the next few games with out Scalabrine in the mix, that could really hurt us.
Hey you all,
Has anyone looked a Celtics Blog recently? Before, I think it was just a monitored thread kind of thing. Kind of 1984ish, but you could make sense out it. Now it's a bunch of articles, and people make comments on the articles. There's no
cohesion to it anymore.
Celticsblog takes itself too seriously, IMO.
I've been trying to read celticsblog lately. In the past I would get so annoyed when Jeff or whoever would write an article praising the 30-win Celtics, and then get 50 replies from people who all agreed that the crappy Celtics of years past were doing just fine. It was absolutely unreadable. Now I just go there to link to Celtics related articles. The updates are so frequent that I feel like it's lost some of its personality; no one really talks about any of the blog entries anymore.
Celtics Blog is like a car wreck. It's horrible but I can't stop looking at it and thinking, those poor fucking idiots.
I do appreciate the daily links posted by FLCelts fan though.
Its nice to see theres still life in here.
I like to come here too from time to time, sadly no one write here anymore
This season that would be soooo funny.
well at least before playofs when Doc will manage to kill the dream.
The thing about this blog is that there are die-hards who will always check in, in case Doc Chesnut, Elvis-like, will someday re-appear. Also, it has a much more intimate feel than the Celtics blog, which is really just a glorified news-feed at this point.
One more thing - I hate Doc Rivers. I really do. Scal. Tony Allen. Are these really the 6 and 7th guys off the bench? What about the Big Baby? Was his seven rebounds in seven minutes not enough of proof for Doc? Also, how about letting Pruit get a chance to shine? He looks awfully smooth in garbage time. Let Leon Powe mix it up. Why not?
Is there any thing more awful than seeing Scal set up for a three-pointer, with 10 feet of vacuum around him, and through another brick or air ball? He's supposed to be good at it? When? It's distressing and I am embarrassed for him. Pleease sit him at the far end of the bench, be the cheerleader, and sit out the remainder his contract in tranquility and isolation.
No one has said anything aboud Maxwell's quote, something about KG being the best celtic ever since Bill Russell. I think what he really meant is he's the best player coach since Bill Russell. Thank God we have him to coach this team during time-outs instead of Doc Rivers! Has an assistant coach ever won Coach of the Year?
Btw, who is the assistant coach who took over for Doc against Seattle? He had the gonads to call for Allen to take the final shot, which of course he canned for the game-winner. Doc would have most assuredly gone to Pierce, despite the fact that he had missed a chance at the game winner at the end of regulation.
Scal isn't really the 7th man. Sure they put him in there in there at the end of the first quarter as the new Walter McCarty three-point specialist, but he never even plays in the second half unless it's garbage time. He's definitely the most insufferable Celtic since Raef LaFrankenstein.
Scal was a an absolute bumbling boob in the Miami game. For a 4, he doesn't go anywhere near the rebounding area. His shot is atrocious, his passing worse. He actually tripped over his own feet last night, leading to a turnover. We lost ten points to Miami during Scalaburine's 6 minutes in the game. He is the one area that allows Doc to screw up by giving him minutes, and unfortunately Doc is obliging. Meanwhile, Big Baby sits on the bench.
I saw that. I was incredulous - I assumed he must have gotten shoved, or something. The poor sot. I'm sure Garnett is giving him grief.
How about TA? I think he sucks, too. He can't even jump anymore.
I want to see what Gabe Pruit can do, but I know Doc will bury him in the deepest part of the bench, like Ryan gomes.
Can we get a bag of basketballs for Scabber and the bird?
There hasn't been much to complain about this year, but I swear, if this team loses a playoff series it will be because of Paul Pierce's stupidity, Tony Allen's stupidity, or a combination of the two. How did Tony Allen bottom rim a wide open layup in the last two minutes against Orlando?
Pierce's final shot was AWFUL. 8 seconds left down two and Pierce launches a running fadeaway three pointer? What made him think, even for a second, that he could make that shot? Paul makes that shot 1/20 times.
EJ, agree with you on Pierce and TA, but don't forget Scalaburine. If the final play of the Orlando game is a Pierce three pointer, why is the non-rebounding Scalaburine in the game? At least Perk or Big Baby or even Powe give you a fighting chance at a putback. Scalaburine has Blount-itis, the non-rebounder's disease.
Yeah, Scalaburine is awful, too. Just this year and then one more left on his contract. Anon brought up a good point about a week ago - Scal is turning into a "fan favorite". People chant his name, and go nuts when he launches 3s. It is awful. He sucks, period.
For all the talk (obviously not here, but elsewhere) that Scal is "much imrproved" being a role player on a team surrounded by all-stars, I submit two statistics for the 2007-2008 season: 32% FG shooting, 26.7% 3-point shooting. Then people argue that at "only" $3million per year, he's not that bad of a signing. Ugh! This is why I can pretty much only discuss the Celtics on this site.
Also good thread on RealBM right now for those who visit that sight for comic relief.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/vie...ic.php?
t=731079
Some guy suggests that Pierce hogs the ball too much, dribbles too much, isn't clutch, and should be the 4th option on offense (Eddie House #3!!).
The replies, predictably, say that Pierce is the most clutch player in the league, and are highlighted by P2 saying "To be honest with you, Pierce is the last player on this team I am worried about to turn the ball over."
Doc stinks we all know that
Scal stinks we all know that
Im not defending Allen mistakes but I will say he is just a man hurt.
PP well he usually dribles more than needed but he give more than he take.
To be honest with u my biggest fear is the great coach of the year we have, he sucks and he sucks really bad.
i'm with you all regarding celticsblog. unreadable. links are good but the rest of it is shit.
the celtics stuff live show is decent when they have a good guest otherwise not so much.
Pierce's shot was just the wrong shot to make - there was plenty of time left on the clock to make a drive and score a layup.
Pierce has never been clutch. There is no basis in fact for this conclusion. You could say he's made some game winning shots, but wtf his number has been called for every last shot for years - some of them are bound to fall by the sheer law of average alone.
It's no dishonor not to be clutch. Clutch is hard to come by. Ortiz is clutch. Bird was clutch. Ray Allen's shot against Toronto was clutch. Sure he was wide open, but that's because the Sonics forgot Doc wasn't coaching and therefore the game-ending play wasn't going to automatically go to Pierce. I'd like the guy who was coaching that day to take over the team. Then, we'd have a shot.
Doc! I despair for the Celtics chances to take it all with him at the helm.
After hanging with my family during Thanksgiving, I'm adding some obvious ommissions to the "clutch" list, where I just listed Ortiz and Bird. There is of course Tom Brady, who has been clutch from Day one and whose victory over the Colts this year revived memoiries ALL of those game-winning fourth-quarters drives - truly the anti-Bledsoe. And let's not forget Troy Brown, whose bingo catches formed the other end of many of Brady's clutches throws. Not to mention as recently as last year stripping some San Diego receiver after a pickoff which led to an improbable Pat's victory and valuted them to the AFC Championship game.
There's also someone else, who slips my mind. Damn.
Anyway, the other point is, that when you mention these guys, there will be universal agreement as to how clutch they are. No one but a kook would disagree.
On the subject of Pierce's being clutch, there is certainly not universal agreement. It's a controversy. That's why threads like the one on realgm have a life. It's a sore point. Where a controversy lives, there's a reason. The point being, the very fact that it's controversial actually PROVES that Pierce is not clutch.
That realGM thread was pretty good pointed out by EJ was pretty good. If I had the timee I might check it out more often. What I like about Doom is
a) The lack of idiots and clowns like you get on the more widely perused boards
b) The fact that you don't get lost in the din of the usual public boards
c) The cynical spirit of the posts, which is so vastly more satisfying than vapid alternatives.
Doh- sorry about all the typos - I have to stop relying on the non-existent edit function...
Pierce - 3 misses in clutch time. I think he's settling for the outside shot because he's afraid of missing the foul shots if he drives and gets fouled. Can anyone suggest this guy is clutch and keep a straight face???
Yeah, we gotta get a better strategy at the end of games for a shot than a Pierce fallaway. Drive to the basket or pass to somebody coming off a pick. And Ray seems like a good choice for the last shot. Last night's Charlotte game was unreal. That's the kind of stuff that's been happening to us all these years. It's great to be on the other side of that fence. I especially liked seeing Jeff McInnis ( he of sneaking with Phil Fords wife fame ) taking it up the ass after getting in KG's face right before their meltdown. Damn, that was fun!
Not much to gripe about these days...but, man, does Scalaburine suck.
Doc will get Coach of the Year is he plays Scalaburine as his 10th, 11th, or 12th man. Our bench is coming along much better than the preseason "expert" prognostications, and Posey, House, and Baby give us a credible 8 man rotation with Tony Allen getting better all the time. The Dr. would have a hard time finding fault with this team, which I hope is why we haven't heard from him in so long. This has the makings of a special season, I hope things keep moving in the direction they appear to be. I'm even starting to like Doc, especially if he continues to follow the Scalburine rule.
Yep. I think even Scalaburine's mentor, the great Raef LaFrankenstein, would have trouble cracking this lineup, despite starting 62 games in his final painful year with the Celts.
Thanks Danny and, of course, Kevin! C'mon back to the Celts any time, Kevin...uhm, no, not as GM or anything, maybe special assistant mentor to Brandon Wallace and Kevin Pittsnogle. But c'mon back and be part of this team you created!
19-2. Scal still sucks.
Well, well, hasn't this site turned into a bigger joke than it once used to be? Still a modest collection of fuckheads and jerkoffs though.
Yourself included Will.
Oh yeah? Well, while you losers are chatting online, I am working on being able to tie my wee-wee in a knot. Then, I can do things like tell my lover "Knot tonight" or "Knot right now". Of course, I'll eventually give in, and his loveable little asshole will become "Knot's Landing". Mine will be his as well. TaTa, fuckers.
Will, nice to hear from you...KNOT!
Will, you are one demented dude. Are you sure you're not related to the Old Bag? I guess the Doctor's gone for good, maybe apropos, since there's not a lot of doom these days in Celticland. At least we still have the archives, there was some good stuff in there. Gotta get the Old Bag something for Christmas, would love to send her on a date with Will. Compared to him, I look like a prince.
What an ending against Detroit. Tony Allen fouling on a jumpshot, Coc calling the final play for Pierce, and of course Pierce not only missing the final shot by a solid foot, but also leaving enough time on the clock for Detroit to steal a win.
Was Coc watching the same game I was? Wasn't Allen dominating and Pierce sucking? And KG playing pretty good as well? Who the hell would draw up that last play for Pierce?
Other notables from the Detroit game: Doc Rivers outcoached by Flip Saunders.
Tony Allen proving once and for all that he is the dumbest player in the NBA. Seriously, I can't think of one other player in the league that would've fouled Billups on a jumpshot.
Doc proved once again what a hideously poor game coach he is. I frown unhappily when I think of him dumbly drawing up last-shot plays to Pierce at the end of tight games, despite Pierce's career's worth of blown game-ending shots. And how Doc abandons his usual subbing and staunchly sticks with his starters when the pressure is on - another sign of a poor coaching when the pressure's on. And tonight, with a quarter's worth of garbage time against the Bulls, he doesn't manage to give Gabe Pruitt even one second of PT, when we all know they need a legit backup PG, which Pruitt could give them IF he had some experience. I'm afraid there is still PLENTY of material for Celtic Doom, embodied the Coc and Paul show.
I stand corrected, chrisrocker. When guys like us can even see that Ray Allen had the hot hand, or at the very least have someone drive to the basket for the shot, and the actual play called is the obligatory Pierce off balance fall away, then the verdict is in: there is still a need for Celticsdoom. Not to mention putting Tony Allen in on the final play, where apparently Detroit actually planned for him to foul Billups. End of game management will be the key to our going all the way, and for now, that phase of the game is more gloom than good.
Couldn't you just feel Scal's intangibles take over the game from the bench last night during crunch time and demand that Garnett crush Yao and the Rockets? Awesome Scal! Scal is a valuable NBA assett just like we've been saying for three years now. He's finally reaching his potential.
I agree, Anon. I say we dedicate this season to Scal's intangibles.
I'm with you EJ. Did you see how Scal's basketball IQ took over the Pistons game in the fourth?
Big test for the Celts tonight against the Bobcats. Boston hasn't played in three days and it looks like Ray Allen and Big Baby will be out of the lineup.
Look for Scalabrine's locker room presence can keep the team focused and lead them to victory.
Although the story so far this season has definitely been Scal's intangibles, I think after last night's game it's time to step back and honor the captain, Paul Pierce.
Pierce, praised for his defense all-year long, held Jason Richardson to 34 points and 9 rebounds on 14-22 shooting. Offensively, he led the short-handed Celtics with 13 points, 5 fouls, and 3 turnovers on 4-14 shooting, including 1-9 from 3-point range, bringing back shades of Antoine Walker in the process.
Pierce also chipped in a clutch offensive foul when he barreled towards the hoop, leapt into the air, and flopped like he always does in an attempt to get to the free throw line, to go along with a clutch travel when he decided he had no chance at making a three-pointer, so he tried to jump into a defender and flop - only he missed and traveled.
Also did anyone see Scal's back to back airballs in the second quarter? The second one was a ten foot shot, that he airballed by about ten feet. I am ready to call that the second worst shot in the history of the NBA, behind only Chris Dudley's free throw that went over the top of the backboard. Can I get paid $3.5 million per year? I can airball shots by ten feet, too.
Of course, shortly after Scal's airballs he actually went 2-4 for 4 points, 1 rebound, and 1 assist in an astounding 14 minutes (extra time because second round draft choice rookie Big Baby was out). After the game our anointed hero was given the "cut of the game" for not getting caught traveling on an indecisive drive to the hoop, once again establishing him as one of the top two white guys on one of the NBA's top teams.
Celtics-Lakers rivalry has a chance to come up again, I look forward to it as a Lakers fan and a blogger at www.laballtalk.com
Good luck with the big 3 to all you Celtics fan. For the love of basketball and rivalry I look forward to great second half of the season!
LOL cut of the game. I saw that, too. Intangiblabrine strikes again against the Nets, leading the team even with a DNP with some heady analysis from the sidelines and some well timed witty remarks during timeouts to keep the team loose, setting them up for a dominant fourth quarter.
Daniel, welcome. The Lakers look real good this year. Last season they were playing really well until Kobe got hurt, and then never really got it together again. I think everyone kind of forgot that they are a good team. This year, with the improvements Bynum has made, they have a legitimate shot at a top 2 seed, and quite honestly I'd like to see them get it.
I really like watching Kobe, Odom, Bynum, Turiaf, Walton, and Fisher and usually try to catch Laker games if they're on TV. Hopefully this will be the year LA can finally knock that little bitch Raja Bell out of the playoffs. Good luck!
Oh also, Coby Karl - I think one Kobe was enough. He is pale, covered in freckles, and prepubescent-looking. Last night was my first time seeing him, I hope I never see him again.
Scal will eat up Kobe in the Finals.
Well, we've lost three out of four games. Times for the Doctor's return. Some criticism of Coc over on Cblog. How's that knot in your cock doing, Will Rogers?
I can't believe they're criticizing Coc. He has turned this team around. The Celts haven't had a single 18-game losing streak yet this year!
How sad is the silence in this ( other days great...or at least fun to read blog.)
Some of the writers will have to post a read before season is over at least to say Hi
I agree Edgar. The silence is a little sad. But whatever silence here that is caused by the Celtics actually not being completely doomed to failure right now, that silence is not sad.
I went to the 76ers game last night. I'm not sure if they showed it on TV, but they set up a bike for Scal to ride during the game. He was a fist-pumping machine on that bike during the fourth quarter! You know you're fat when the team makes you do cardio on a bike during games.
We were trying to make a list of players we wouldn't trade Scal for. I think all we came up with was Sebastian Telfair, Dan Dickau, Gerald Green, and anyone on the Knicks with the exceptions of Balkman and Lee.
I wouldn't trade Scal for Raef.
Sounds like your looking for a post from this site's greatest blogger, Edgar. Well, you know I've really been working hard on trying to tie my wee-wee in a knot. Unfortunately, a blood vessel or someting broke on the side of my vienna sausage and made it turn blue. My lover, being the jokester he usually is, put on his most revealing bathing wear (we call it his "Hamptons Hammock") and started singing "You're so vein, you probably think this thong is about you". We're having a great time, and I'm so happy I don't have to read that peckerhead Dr. Chestnutt or JerkoCfan anymore. Plus, I'm really starting to like the Knicks now and especially the Lakers when they wear those retro shorts. Bye, assholes.
I'm really hoping I get to hear the "Fire Isiah" chant today. I fucking hate that guy.
How wonderful not (or knot for you, Will) to be a Knicks fan, what boring basketball they play. Q-Rich is just a big mouth disaster telling Pierce to meet him after the game. Doc's rotations continue to confuse (Scalabrine before Baby or Powe?) and once again Pruitt gets no pt in order to see what he has. He's one or two more bad substitution patterns away from going back to being Coc.
Coc is still coc. Pierce shouldn't have let himself get drawn into a stupid conflict with Q-Bitch.
I know that many of us have stopped visiting RealGM since JJ stopped doing his classic "Internet Dipshit of the Day" posts - but today I stumbled upon a gem:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/vie...ic.php?
t=752908
"I'm Out" - By Darth Celtic
Surprisingly, the post wasn't what I thought it was going to be about when I saw the title. If only I had the time to sit down and read the 11 pages right now. Oh wait - with Darth gone, chances are the post won't be deleted by later tonight and I can read it then.
Haha, I guess I thought wrong. Darth's goodbye post is deleted. There are only a few things I enjoy on that site. The rampant stupidity, a select few decent posters, and the moderators attention-whoring and the hilarity than ensues. Sadly, every time they look stupid they just delete the evidence.
Can you give me the Cliffs Notes version?
Umm, well, I can give you what I saw. I guess Darth made a post about Quentin Richardson where he called him "Q-Bitch" and encouraged other posters to post their most clever Q-Rich insults as well. When the thread degenerated into a flame war, posters began calling Darth out for making inflammatory posts while being a mod.
He responded by making a post titled "I'm Out" - When I saw the title I was finally expecting an explanation for why a bald middle-aged man wore a Gerald Green jersey around - but alas, he was just explaining that he would no longer post on realgm because he couldn't take it anymore.
I only read one page of the 11 pages of replies because I had work to do, but page one was people being like "oh my god no!!" and "darth don't go out like this!!!" and of course - FakeScreenName123, who I am guessing posts here as well - laughing at Darth and mocking him. My plan was to finish work, go to the gym, and then waste at least an hour of my life reading all of the replies before I went to bed, but sadly, as with all good realgm posts, one of the dumbfuck mods deleted it before I got a chance to read all the replies.
Where is Jungle Jim? I am 90% certain I know his super secret identity on CelticNation - but has he abandoned Celticsdoom? YOU STILL LURKING JJ??!!
I'm known on other blogs as Heywood JaBlowmee.
EJ, Thanks for the recap. Funny.
Gerald Green just demanded a trade. Apparently the 7-35 Wolves aren't an ideal enough situation for him to earn playing time.
Teams will likely be falling over themselves to acquire the career 8.3ppg scorer who will be a Free Agent at the end of the season.
I heard McHale tried to trade him to Los Angeles for Wendell White but the D-Fenders said no thanks.
Fun game tonight. Posey was huge in the last two minutes on Dirk. It was also nice to see Rondo hit a layup after tying Antoine Walker's all-time NBA record for most layups missed in a game with 5. In case anyone missed the game, Scalabrine started again and led the team with a Mark Blountian 0 points, 0 rebounds, and 3 fouls in 17 minutes.
And for the record, they went to the Paul Pierce iso with 30 seconds left and it failed yet again. Good thing Rondo was there.
Rondo was huge, although I might prefer a PG who could get more assists than rebounds. I mean, let's not try to reinvent the wheel here again. Didn't we already suffer four years with a center who only shoots threes?
Unbelievable steal by Posey at the end. And he's so damn cute.
Scal, well, he's Scal, possibly the worst player in the NBA. To say he's "Marc Blountian" is way too much praise. Marc Blount is Wilt Chamberlain compared to Scal. I'm sure people on the other board will say he played good defense against Dirk, even though Dirk erupted for 17 points in the third against him, but if a player is a only a slightly below average defender, one of the leagues slowest players, and absolutely the worst offensive player and rebounder in the league, then he definitely could qualify as the league's worst player (were it not, of course, for his amazing intangibles).
I love how Scal's "role" on offense is to make open 3s and draw big men out to the perimeter to guard him - like Rodney Rogers did. Only he shoots 28% from behind the arc. He can't run, I don't ever really remember him stopping anybody, he doesn't rebound so why is he here?
...... Oh yeah, the intangibles!!
Also - Pollard's face was hysterical after Rondo hit that shot to put the Celts up for good.
I was thinking of tattooing Scalabrine's name on my wee-wee, but the man said there was only enough room for the first two letters. Who said Rondo was huge, how do you know?
Kwame for Gasol has to be one of the most lopsided trades in the history of the NBA.
"Kwame for Gasol has to be one of the most lopsided trades in the history of the NBA."
Yeah, almost like Al Jeff for KG.
Yep, Danny has taught the NBA how to tank.
The playoffs can't get here soon enough for me. How great is it to not be looking ahead to the draft this year? I only have two complaints: having to watch Scalabrine play any minutes, and, of course, seeing the Old Bag nekkid every now and then and walking into the bathroom too soon after she's unloades her colon. P fucking U. Isn't it something that Dr. Chestnutt never checks in at all, I'd like to hear what he thinks of this Presidential race that's going on.
Did anyone catch Scal's "attempted" finish on a 3 on 2 fastbreak last night? It looked like he received the pass and immediately shit his pants, rendering him unable to even pretend to take a layup on the play.
He did come hard on the double-team, though! Tommy loved that one!!
Yes, I saw it all. I believe it was that extra tough muscleman Sebustian Telfailure who took the ball away from him at the hoop, though I could be wrong.
Scal and Telfair were in an interesting psychological battle last night to see who could attract less defensive coverage.
Jason Kidd just got traded to Dallas. There goes our hopes for a championship.
Damn, what the hell does someone have to do to get a new topic over here?
Devean George. HAHAHAHA! Do you think the other players on the Mavs will even talk to him anymore?
Dallas desperatly needs another player with balls. Dirk has proven that he doesn't have any over the past two seasons. Kidd as we all remember, has always been a pretty damn good playoff performer.
And yeah, I agree with JJ. I just hope Dr Chestnutt is okay!
Brian Scalabrine pulled a groin muscle. If it is massaged correctly, he will be back in the lineup sooner. Does anyone know how to contact Mr. Scalabrine or the Celtics so that I may offer my services? We've got to hit the ground running after the All-Star break, and I'm willing to do my part.
I hate the Suns..
Is that three losses in a row without Scal?
I was beginning to worry that they couldn't win without Scal.
Nice to Raef still has the mad max contract skillz.
Is it to early to state that Pollard is completely useless, except maybe to carry the teams copies of the Book of Mormon? He makes Marc Blount look like a defensive/rebounding specialist.
Pollard's only good for the facial expressions he has after big plays while sitting on the bench. If Doc keeps playing him like he did against Portland, we are going down. I don't understand why when both Leon and Big Baby are playing well Pollard is put in the game before them. It must be tough to be a young player and play for Doc, you never know where you stand.
Thought you guys might like this:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/vie...=asc&
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RealBM poster compares KG to Joe Smith, and then gets skewered for 12 straight pages.
Well it sounds like the buyout is done and Sam is expected to sign with the Celtics.
I think it's a really nice move. Sam is a proven winner, he brings height to the PG position, and probably most importantly he can shoot from the outside at the PG position.
It's always nice to add more veterans that can still play. Between Sam, Posey, Ray, Pierce, and KG, we've got some players that have been around and played in some playoff games; although Pierce's experience mostly consists of elbowing Jamal Tinsley in the head to nearly cost the team a playoff game and getting destroyed by Jason Kidd's Nets every other year.
Still, nice move. I'm not so sure about PJ Brown, though. He was decent two years ago, but what happened last year? Hopefully he still has something left, too.
Whose minutes does he get? He can't shoot outside like House and he can't defend like Tony Allen. In fact, I think Rondo showed last month that Sam can't defend at all. I'm not too crazy about it. Sam is a punk. House has been great for the C's this year. If Sam is here just to bring the ball up against the press while Rondo takes five, then ok. I don't see him as being too happy in that role though. And Mike and Tommy didn't sound like they thought he would be a happy backup either, even though they try to stress the positive to the point of making themselves ridiculous.
I went to that Celts/Pistons game. The two best records in the NBA? I couldn't resist!
A couple of things: 1) Why does Perkins do the jump ball? Can he really get up higher than Kevin Garnett?
2) I know I've mentioned it before, but Eddy House's 3-5 step handshakes during the intros are easily his most valuable contribution. The Paul Pierce dice-throw/money scoop handshake, the Ray Allen jumpshot handshake. They are amazing.
3) What the fuck is wrong with PJ? He held out for the full MLE, didn't get it, signs with Boston for $0.5mil, and now isn't in basketball shape? What the hell? Not a good start to his Boston career, imo. What kind of shape do you need to be in to play 10mpg?
Also, Pollard out for the year. Luckily he can still contribute in his most valuable role, which is having hilarious reactions to clutch plays.
Also our team leader Scal seems to be firmly buried in the rotation behind Powe and Baby, and likey PJ starting real soon. 9 straight DNPs. Hopefully it's because Doc came to his senses and not because he is still injured.
Yeah, Pollard is definitely in the "latter days" of his career. Can't imagine why Danny signed him.
Okay I wasn't going to link to this thread because at first I didn't think it was right to laugh at someone on another site..
But after I got to page 3 and had the opportunity to read relationship advice by everybody's favorite dumbfuck Wigglestrue, I figured there was someone here who would want to see this thread.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/vie...der=asc&
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I don't understand your part about not laughing at people on other web sites. Then what the fuck are other websties for?
Anyhow, almost everything wigglestrue says is complete fucking pussy-flapping bullshit except "try to start sacking up." I gotta give him credit there. If my wife/girlfriend of 24 years breaks up with me, which she should because I am a fucking loser, that's the first thing I'll be trying to ease my pain.
Hilariously sad poster child illustration of the concept that you can idiot-proof a roster. But if you don't Rivers-proof it at the same time you're guaranteed a great regular season record and to be bounced in the playoffs.....Where coaching competency actually matters.
Rivers looked like the coaching embarassment he is last night when up against a great coach with an average NBA roster.
Still trying to figure out why Sam and PJ are on the roster.
I think the good coaches are figuring out that if you just run at the basket consistently all night--no easy feat--you can beat the Celts. Sure, Pierce and KG had off nights scoring, but the Jazz had 60 first half points.
I think it's finally time for the long-awaited "Scal for a night" promo. The fan with the winning seat number gets to wear Scal's #44 uniform and sit at the end of the bench for the second half of each home game. And, yes, if the Celts get up by 30 or more, the fan gets to play and launch wide-open three-pointers to the cheers of the adoring white suburbanite fans. SCAL FOR A NIGHT!
Sad to say, the one year anniversary of Chesnutt's last post passed without a mention. We miss you Dr. Chestnutt.
RIP Dr. Chesnutt (????-3/31/07)
You're right, Anon. It's hard to believe it's been a year since the Doctors last post. I really hope all is well with him and Pierce Overrated i.e. Jerkycsfan. Ainge made up for a lot of years of bad trades and draft picks with his moves this season. During the bad times, I don't know what I'd have done without this blog. It made watching and rooting for the Celtics bearable. Doctor, if you're out there, give us an anniversary post for old times sake. A lot of your readers would love to hear from you, and know that all is well.
Ok, so they had they greatest turnaround in NBA history, the best record in the NBA, and they're now starting the playoffs as the #1 seed. But Scal sucks! Tommy and Cous were talking about him in the last game, how Scal lost his first-guy-off-the-bench status because of injuries and how great it is to have 12th man who can contribute. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
Ok, I managed to come up with something negative. Where the fuck are you guys?
Umm I can think of some negative stuff too! HOUSTON had a better record than Boston during the 2nd half of the season!!! HOUSTON! And they are about to get crushed by Utah!!
Also of note, Scal shot 28.6% from the field in the 2nd half of the season, and a mind boggling 30.9% on the season. I must've missed Tommy and Cous singing his praises, but I do not doubt that it happened. I dream of a world where one day everyone finally admits that Brian Scalabrine sucks at basketball.
The really annoying part is that he is still with us for another 2 years. I will refrain from any Tony Allen bashing for now because there is a chance he can redeem himself a la JD Drew in the playoffs, but I was not impressed this season.
Anyways, go Celts!!
Also playoff picks:
EAST:
Celtics over Hawks in 4
Pistons over 76ers in 4
Magic over Raptors in 5
Wiz over Cavs in 6
Conference Semis:
Celtics over Wiz in 5
Pistons over Magic in 5
Conference Championship:
Celtics over Pistons in 7
WEST:
Lakers over Nuggets in 5
Mavs over Hornets in 7
Spurs over Suns in 7
Jazz over Rockets in 5
Conference Semis:
Jazz over Lakers in 7
Spurs over Mavs in 6
Conference Finals:
Jazz over Spurs in 6
NBA Finals:
Celtics over Jazz in 6
In reality LA will probably make it and I could see Phoenix beating SAS and messing up my picks right from the get go, but I think Utah is underrated and needed to be picked.
Along with other praise for Scal, Cousy said, "He may not be bwessed with amazing skiws but he is a smart pwayer."
Sure, and I "may not be" Einstein or Mother Teresa.
Tony Allen had a horrible season, but I think it was obvious that he was afraid of wrecking the remade knee. He better get over it soon, though, or he'll be done. I think he's good enough to stay in the NBA if he returns to his former self.
I think your predictions are good. And as I've said, if the Celts make it to the finals I will publicly apologize, here and at CelticsBlog, to Danny and Doc. (Even though I think Danny kind of got a handjob under the table from his Buddy McHale.)
Cousy sounds like a little kid when he announces games. I like him, though. Did you guys watch the game with the local guys last night? After a 3rd quarter Ray Allen three Tommy gave us a "BING BANG BOOM!!"
He had shelved that one for years. I was relieved when I looked at the scorers table and Dana Barros and Todd Day weren't trying to check into the game.
And yes, Danny certainly did get lucky this offseason. To his credit he capitalized when the opportunity presented himself and he succeeded in making the necessary 2nd trade after the Allen deal. However, nothing will convince me that Ainge's "vision" consisted of trading Telfair, Green, Jefferson, Gomes, Yi, and West for Ray Allen and KG. If that was his plan when he accepted the job, he should've been locked up.
Somehow, someway, everything lined up and worked out for the Mormon.
I'm not local so I got to hear DICK Stockton repeat ad nauseum that none of the Big Three averaged 20+ points this year because they are unselfish.
I was also relieved not to see Brian Scalabrine preparing to come off the bench. He worked his magic last night like never before!
And don't forget: Danny's "vision" started with taking on Raef LaFrankenstein's seven-year max contract, which according to Celtics Blog, lead directly to the acquisition of KG.
Yes, Danny is blessed and will have many wives in heaven.
Haha, someone probably should've reminded Dick Stockton that the reason they didn't average 20ppg was because they were all playing around 25mpg for the month of April. I am pretty sure Dick Stockton is a Celtics fan, too.
Also did anyone check out the 85-86 Celtics DVD that they just released? I have watched games 1 and 2 so far. Heinsohn is the announcer and he tries to remain unbiased. At one point in game 2 he said "Bird is the psychological master, he finds the strength of your offense and uses it against you, like a karate man!"
He also nearly exploded when Olajuwon held Parish's jersey and didn't get called for a foul. He also informed us that the Celtics just ran "the old high-post split, a play right out of the 50s Celtics' playbook"
Another highlight was Hubie Brown as a halftime analyst, with a full head of brain hair and a brown beard. Bird's mullet is in full-effect. Good times.
*brown hair
That's good stuff. I used to love Tommy, but after he tried to spin us through the past few years, I lost my love for him. I think the phrase "Jiri is gonna be a big-time player in this league" was the beginning of the end for me. I usually just turn down the volume, no matter who is broadcasting.
I decided that I needed a playoff fix so I went to game 2.
Perkins was fucking terrible in the first half. If he wasn't stepping over the line on inbounds passes, he was dropping passes or unearthing other novel ways to turn the ball over or commit stupid fouls. I guess he redeemed himself a little in the 2nd half by hitting the glass but god damn, he needs to get back on a roll. I'm looking at his game logs for the season and it looks like he played well from mid-January to mid-March, and has been pretty mediocre/awful since.
Could be cause for concern..
I really enjoyed KG inviting the entire team out for the picture when they gave him the DPOY award.
Lucky the Leprechaun is the worst mascot of all-time. Why does he have stilts and giant foam hands? He sucks. Do we really need a goofy looking midget acrobat on the court during timeouts?
Also that sequence where Garnett made a three, then blocked a shot, then drew a charge and was yelling about god knowns what was amazing. I'd pay good money to get a DVD of KG mic'd for a game.
Yeah, it was a good game. I think Rondo is the series MVP so far.
Give Perk a break. Gee whiz (as they can say at Celtics Blog) he would only be in his fifth year of college right now. Just kidding. You're definitely right. Perk sucks, which in non-Doom speak means that he's a career reserve center. I've never seen anyone take so long to shoot the ball once he has received it in the paint. And he has hands of buttered stone. And he's an inept rebounder. But you can't have all-stars it every position.
Yeah, I don't know how I feel about Perkins. It seems like 2 seasons ago he looked like he was going to have a better career than Al Jeff, then last year was a wasted season, then this year he started out pathetic, had a decent 2 month run, then has been terrible since.
I really don't know how to feel about him. Would the team be better off with a veteran at center or is Perk serviceable enough? I can not stand when he tries to act like a tough guy that is for sure.
A lot of his deficiencies are masked by the fact that he gets about 5 layups a game off of passes from Rondo and KG and KG is such a presence on D that Perk benefits as well.
Still, I think he does a better job of catching passes than some of the other clowns we've had at center over the years, which is not even necessarily a compliment. Blount is the gold-standard for having an inability to catch passes in my mind.
At least we have PJ in the mix if Perkins just reverts to being 100% ineffective like last season. Even if PJ is shriveling up in his old age, at least he KNOWS what he should be doing. Perkins? Well, anyone who has ever heard him speak knows he is not very intelligent.
Also I agree with Mike Bibby, why is Perkins running his mouth out of everyone on the Celtics? Let the big boys do the talking, Kendrick. We don't need our 7ppg 6rpg starting center antagonizing anyone.
Well. you know, Perk thinks he's tough. I wouldn't want him not to think he's tough. And Bibby is a fucking shithead. But one of the main improvements the Celts have made this year is in the area of toughness. And Perk is maybe one of the toughest guys on the team behind Big Baby, Powe, PJ, KG, Rondo, House, Posey, and, well, he could probably take Pierce, Ray Allen, and Scal.
Anyhow, Perk is probably the most effective shot-blocking center on the roster, and that is the sole reason he is in there.
Regarding his intelligence, I think there is a big difference between basketball intelligence and verbal acuity. Perk has improved greatly in the former, even if he still speaks like he has a sixth grade education.
Okay, I don't want to overreact because Boston will win this series, but I would like to go on record about a few things.
1) Game 3, Coc sat the threeparty for way too long in the 3rd. During the season it frustrated me when he did this, but I accepted it in the name of limiting the stars' minutes. In the playoffs, inexcusable to have all 3 on the bench for long stretches in the 3rd when the team is down 10.
2) After Horford trash-talked Pierce at the end of game 3, Pierce apparently made the executive decision to play like it's 2006 and hog the ball. What happened to trusting your team mates? We saw more ill-advised 3s and triple-spin moves in traffic in that game than we saw in the entire rest of the month of April. Pierce - you are not Kobe, you are not Jordan, you are not LeBron, you're not even a healthy Vince Carter - you can not beat NBA teams by yourself!!! You have proven this many times in your career. Play team ball.
3) Doc again - why did he wait until Joe Johnson had 17 in the fourth and the game was out of reach to stop defending him with Ray Allen one on one? I mean, I would've switched defensively after maybe 10 points in the fourth, or maybe after Johnson took and made 5 consecutive 5-foot shots off of isos... What the fuck is Coc thinking?
4) Free throws.. What happened? Make some freaking free throws!!
5) Trash talking and fighting. Why are our 66-win Celtics indulging the 37-win Hawks? Haven't they ever heard the saying "Act like you've been there before?" Why are Perkins and KG talking trash through the papers? Why are we getting technicals over Zaza Pachulia? Garnett should just laugh in that guys face.
These should be 20+ point blowouts in front of typically dead Atlanta crowds. Instead, the place is going nuts and is really behind Atlanta, all because Boston can't keep their emotions in check. Surprisingly, Pierce has been well behaved. I am not sure I understand the $25K gang-sign penalty, as Stephen Jackson and Quentin Richardson both do that same sign after every shot they make.
You are on the record. If I might comment on your comments...
1) Oh, Doc was there? I didn't notice. I though maybe he was at church preparing his coach-of-the-year acceptance speech.
2) It's amazing to me that Horford (who should have received a T) is more mature than Pierce.
3) Oh, Doc was there? Do you think maybe he could have put someone in to try to stop Johnson from anally raping Ray Allen? What the fuck is Tony Allen doing on this team besides saving up money for his postgraduate education at Harvard?
4) Choke.
5) They have "been there before." It was the mental meltdown versus the Pacers a few years ago. Thank the prophet Joseph Smith that KG was afraid enough of Pachulia to not do something stupid like get ejected/suspended. That's Perk's job. Why is Perk not ejected/suspended yet. Perk get your pussy ass out there!
The fact that this is this close shows what a fucking terrible coach Doc is. KG has been running this team ever since the day he said he would not come to Boston. Might as well have M.L coaching this team.
Another Hawks win and it will be Dr. Chestnutt time again. All good points, EJ, and good questions as well, that are unanswerable by anyone with common sense. Tommy hit if right in the post game when he said that the players AND the coaching staff (Coc) need to grow up quickly, and that the rotations we are using need to change. Chestnutt would have a field day with last nights game, once again we all attempt to get in Coc's mind and understand his singular style of crunch time coaching, player matchups, and game management. I will say the disparity in three throws was not helpful, and being a homer I thought we had some chippy fouls on us. The subject of our Joe Johnson trade years ago would be a another fine topic. The Hawks are Cawks.
I just learned that Pierce bet Horford $10,000 during game 2 that the Celtics would "sweep your asses"
Ahhhh Pierce, injures his back, plays like a pussy, and antagonizes a 37 win team into playing well enough to give a 66-win team a run for their money. Seriously? We can't just beat the Hawks and move on? We have to make asinine bets, get in fights, and talk trash through the papers? REALLY??!!
I hope I can look back at this and laugh after the season. However, I'd have traded Pierce the offseason after he showed up at that press conference wrapped in bandages after elbowing Jamal Tinsley and nearly costing the Celts a playoff game.
Larry Bird would never have done anything like that. Pierce better get his game face on, if the Hawks win tonight it will be unbelievable the panic that will be going on.
It is absolutely essential that we start Brian Scalabrine tonight if we are to have any opportunity to defeat the Hocks. Scalabrine rhymes with jowel in weenie, how could we possibly go wrong with karma like that? I'm going to do something tonight ( no, I won't be telling what it is... yet ) that will ensure our victory or at the very least provide me and another significant pleasure. I really can't believe all you assaholic losers still post on this site.
We need to win today against the Hawks.
Game 1 had the best +/- stats ever..
http://www.nba.com/games/2008050...S/
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POSEY!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, it's pretty amazing that the Celtics have had two playoff series' in a row where the other team's coach looks like Mr. Potato Head.. Especially Woodson..
Anyways, I am happy with the win, but another brutal performance by Coc. Great D on LeBron, though. Looking at the box, I can't believe Boston outrebounded Cleveland, seemed like they were getting 2nd and 3rd opportunities for the entire fourth quarter..
KG was amazing...
If the Celtics win tonight against the Cavs, they will lead the series 2 games to 0.
What the fuck is wrong with this team? Are the players too emotionally fragile to win a game on the road where they might upset the opposing team's fans? Game three was painful. It was like watching a 48-minute long scrub layup line. I also propose that everytime Ray Allen gets out played by Wally, he gets kicked in the nuts.
I have the feeling that KG is the only player performing up to expectations. Rondo is now afraid to take wide open medium range jumpers. Pierce just sucks but hes usually good for a good game here and there, and Ray could not look anymore past his prime than he has.
A lot of the blame I think should be on Rondo. Teams dare Rondo to beat them, and he tries to do it rather than involve the 3 stars.
I also think Kendrick Perkins is literally the perfect definition of mediocre. He might get a nice rebound here and there to save a possession, but other times he will just lose the ball in situations that more talented players would never lose it.
Coc has set the new standard for being an awful coach. After Ray dominates the 3rd quarter, Coc sits him for the first six minutes of the fourth. In a playoff game, down three, at the start of the 3rd, Coc removes Garnett, who finished 3rd in the MVP race, for Big Baby, who is a rookie and had played zero minutes in the game up to that point.
Big Baby would commit a stupid foul, take a terrible shot, allow a layup on a backdoor screen, and lose the ball like a jackass. I mean, WHAT?!?! BIG BABY?!?!
Coc has no sense of urgency. Remember in the beginning of the season when most felt that the stars were playing too much and that Coc might be sacrificing their longevity for meaningless early season wins? Well, it's a shame that Coc had that mentality in October and not in May. What the fuck. Coc sucks. Fire Coc.
Rivers continues to be a lousy coach
I think Danny oughtta send that Exec of the Year trophy to Kevin McHale.
It was SO exciting to see Brian Scalabrine in a tight fitting pair of blue jeans last night. I wonder if he is fully recovered from his groin pull, we may need him at some point in the playoffs. Gay marriage is now legal in California, I wonder if that is why Dr. Chestnutt moved there.
Hello again, fellas.
Back for the playoff run, wondering why the hell Kendrick Perkins so much as plays.
He's as useless as tits on a boar hog, a kind of bigger, thicker, slower, dumber Sam Cassell.
I think Doc knows that Perk sucks. He doesn't play him at critical times. I've never seen a guy take so long to put up a layup. Ya gotta think they tell him a hundred times each practice not to take the ball down from the rim and dribble in the paint before putting it back up again. He must be in the league leaders in percentage of blocked attempts. This guy has been in the league five years now and still does this high school crap.
Everytime Perk gets the ball in the post I think "nooooooooooooooo!!" It's that same reaction we all would get when we'd see Walker wind up for a 28-foot three-point attempt. Those two airballs in, I think it was game 4, from a combined 10 feet, were pathetic.
It's kinda fun, actually, watching the dying gasps of the dumbfucks who've alligned themselves with the failed youth movement.
Gerald Green was gonna be a stah, then they all of a sudden had to backpeddle when he got his illiterate ass waived out of the NBA.
Then it was Tony Allen, who is never going to be confused with a basketball Mensa.
Then there's Perkins, a mean looking cadaver in sneakers.
They just can't turn the youth movement loose. Can't for the life of me figure out why they haven't moved on to Rondo, who at least has periodic moments of excellence.
Never mind on Rondo.
Perkins wins the "Celtics Ass Suck of the Game" award - again. Can you waive a worthless piece of shit like him in the middle of a playoff series
Rondo wasn't much better tonight. We get our ass kicked first-class if Eddie House doesn't come off the bench and actually move the goddamn ball.
I'm so excited right now, I'm going to eat a big plate of asparagus and go take a leak at a friends house and not flush the toilet.
I thought I'd be riding the high of winning an epic game 7 all day. I figured I'd be reading Celts' message boards, talking about the game, and generally being in a good mood all day. Then, I see that Darth Fuckstick decided to return to RealBM. With him and JSimon gone, and Wigglesfuck on a limited post-count, the site was occasionally almost worth reading for purposes other than comic relief. Almost..
Not that you don't see the occasional gabe pruit = gilbert arenas thread, or the tony allen = 8th best defender in celtics history thread (a poster actually made a list that stated this), or the rajon rondo = steve nash - a jumpshot thread, but without the three aforementioned assclowns posting regularly the site has been much more enjoyable.
Heh, I just remembered that Danny is responsible for building both ECF teams this year. Remember, it was Ainge who took on Chucky Atkins and Lindsay Hunter so that Detroit could acquire 'Sheed in the first place.
One more thought, it is difficult to imagine that Ray Allen, coming off a seven games series where he averaged 9ppg with Wally Szczerbiak guarding him, was robbed of the all-star game MVP just three months ago.
Is he dunzo for the year or are we going to see Ray Allen this series? To his credit, I felt like the Cavs were doing everything in their power to not let Ray beat them. He didn't run off one screen without being aggressively doubled the entire series, in spite of his struggles.
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I guess soft pierce is still playing soft
yeah right....
perk will have a easier series this one against detroit if only McDyess miss a couple during games
cs can and will win one on the road
Doc will always stink
but this team will save his behind
Incredible to
see we still came here and watch this posts, on probably the longest active thread ever
Time for a win on the road. Tonight.
first half was amazing!! keep it up!!
Where did Kendrick Perkins come from? That was probably his best game of the season. Doc even smartly took him out of the game with six minutes left when the only thing that could beat the Celts at that point was stupidity, and low and behold, Perkins fouled Rip out near half court.
So he's not the brightest bulb in the box, but if he can get a 12 and 10 in 29 minutes, along with some excellent help D - this team can't lose.
Another must win tonight. Gotta bring it.
I'm gonna miss tonight's game. I hope to see some doom and gloom here win or lose.
Amazin'. They nearly shit the bed, but luckily they got up by enough that no amount of ill advised cross-court floating passes by Rajon Rondo could cost them the game.
If you missed the first half, you missed the peak of Kendrick Perkins' career. It was almost like he didn't suck just for one night. He did throw in an absolutely inexcusable technical with Boston narrowly clinging to a four point lead with 3 mins or so left, momentumless, and on the verge of dropping a game that would have surely ended their season. I haven't seen such an ill-advised technical since Pierce threw an elbow-smash at Jamaal Tinsley.
Ray hit a huge shot and had a nice game. I still think that if he is going to play, he should be taking 5-10 threes per game. KG was great as usual.
I'm most disappointed that Mr. Scalabrine was dressed in Celtic gear instead of the tight blue jeans he has teased us all with over the course of the playoffs. The oversized and baggy warm up pants make it absolutely impossible to see his package, which to me is much more appealing than the cheerleaders or even Lucky, who should be wearing tighter pantaloons as well, if you ask me. Speaking of luck, what kind of luck does Tony Allen have to get hurt in a pick up game and not even be available for the conference finals? Which is also the reason why we all can no longer enjoy the televised offerings of Brian "Package"abrine. This is my gloom, and Celticsdoom.
Can you believe it?
Amazing. Completely amazing.
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Think Chestnutt will make an appearance for the finals?
I've gotta hand it to Coc in that game 6. Switching Posey onto Chauncey saved the game. Detroit was D-O-N-E after that move.
Ray has rejoined the team after a brief hiatus which is nice. Pierce does not show up every night but when he does he is amazing.
I am a little worried about RayRay for this series. Who can he guard on that entire LA team? I'd have to say his days of matching up with Kobe are probably behind him. As a side note lets remember that it was the Sonics' Ray Allen who originally knocked Kobe's shoulder out of the socket last season, called Kobe selfish in the press a few years ago, and had a huge pissing match with Kobe a few years back that spanned a few seasons and involved a great deal of ballhogging when they played each other..
Can Ray match up with Radman who is 6'10" but plays like a complete pussy? I'm sure he can guard Vujacic or maybe even Luke... Kobe or Lamar... I don't think so.. So basically, for Ray to play and be effective he needs to be taking 5 or preferably 10 threes per game and simply force LA to adjust to the fact that he's out there and not the other way around.
Other matchups of great concern are Perk defending the much quicker Gasol, and of course the most glaring mismatch of all Big Phil and Little Coc...
It's playoff basketball and a good D usually beats a good O. However, all of ESPN's experts picked LA, and only 1 even said the series would go seven. Our resident homer on page 2 jumped ship before the playoffs even started and then reiterated his Lakers prediction in his latest column... The Celtics are even losing accuscore simulations 62% of the time despite being a 66-win team with homecourt advantage..
All I can say is, are they really going to defend Pierce with Radmanovic? Or is this a situation like how the Pistons used to start Michael Curry but then he never really played.. I dunno, should be a fun series. Go celts!
what a difference a year makes huh?
Hopefully the Doctor and Pierce Overrated are enjoying this. The anticipation is killing me. It was fun to gripe about things, but nothing beats this. Not even Will Roberts could put a damper on this thing. All is well in the universe. Beat LA!!!
Isn't Chestnuts out in LA now? Hopefully he catches a game. Would love to see a new thread to replace this one that is over a year old.
I was talking to a friend who is a Bucks fan and I was saying stuff like "I like our chances if we take game 2... no way LA wins 3 straight at home.."
He says "I'll be rooting for the new an improved Milwaukee Bucks" - referring to the fact that we have Sam and Ray. He said "I keep wondering why they don't ever put Big Dog and Tim Thomas in"
This got me thinking, I'm surprised Danny didn't come up with a way to add Tim Thomas to the roster for 8years $65million during the summer of Dickau/Scal/Olowokandi. Along with Raef, Davis, Wally, Tony Allen, Kendrick, Blount, and Banks, we'd have had every cancer in the league except for Walker, Juwan Howard, and anyone associated with the Knicks.
Hard to believe Danny was able to jettison most of that garbage for KG and Ray Allen while keeping Paul Pierce.
What remains of the youth movement continues to rear its ugly head. Perkins not only submitted a 1 point 4 foul performance against a team with no center, but injured Pierce and then declared that he could give the Celtics "60%" after he hurt his ankle. What exactly is 60% of Kendrick Perkins? 0.6 points and 2.4 rebounds with 6.4 fouls?
Also does Perkins * 0.60 = Chris Mihm?
http://www.boston.com/sports/bas...s/celtics_blog/
I thought Jeff had taken over for a second when I loaded this link..
I really like the dark lighting at the Staples Center where you can't see anybody in the stands. It would allow for a lot of fun and mischief, particularly during a boring game. With the lighting at the games I go to, me and my special friend have to do the old hole in the bottom of the popcorn tub trick, which is fun but really greases up the old pecker, if you know what I mean. And those kernels can get stuck in the craziest places. Which reminds me of the old joke, a jeep ran over a popcorn box and killed two kernels.
With Rondo not at 100%, I'm looking for Eddie House to play a role in the rest of the series. I really think Eddie is going to make a major contribution towards a championship. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy or a better teammate.
Scalabrine still sucks.
I really think they won game 4 for Perk because as soon as he was out of the game they played much much better at both ends of the floor.
Game 4 replay on NBATV at 11:00 if any of you failed and went to bed =D
It is also apparently on youtube altho I haven't checked it out. That was one of the best games ever. I don't think any of this would've happened without Scal's intangibles.
I think game four finally showed how Raef can really "spread the floor" and "provide a low-post presence on defense." I must admit I was skeptical when Danny started building this team around Raef half a decade ago. Boy was I ever stupid. Sorry, Danny!
I was also skeptical of the decision to build around Raef back in "04; but when Danny pulled off the draft day trade to land our point guard and center of the future in Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins I knew we were in good hands!
Danny further demonstrated his commitment to winning that year by resigning key role players like Mark Blount and Walter McCarty to longterm deals and traded for up and comers like Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm, and Chucky Atkins, which really did a lot to ease the nerves of fans who were skeptical of the Raef trade.
But hey, it all worked out and now Danny is one win away from having #44 retired! I guess Scal needs to pick a new number!!
just one more win baby
cheers everyone
Paul Pierce has proven he has the heart of a champion. Now he needs the ring to go with it. Time for a gut check, Celtics, including maybe some unlikely contributors like Big Baby and Tony Allen.
I think Jiri really has to step it up. He's going to be a "big time player" and is really the "wild card" in this series.
One thing I noticed was that Boston got out rebounded in game 4. Isn't this what we got Brandon Hunter for? He is a "A poor man's Danny Fortson!"
Also, I hope to see Justin Reed on Kobe for 10-15 minutes, since he is "a Bruce Bowen caliber defender"
Yes, we need Reed out there!
But you gotta admit, while Rondo and Delonte have 46 and 32 turnovers in the playoffs respectively, anointed starting PG of the future Bassy Telfair and cute white guy Dan Dickau have none.
Still, I can't figure out Raef. He hasn't even scored yet, and Tommy said, he's a "great offensive player!"
And I really thought Gerald Green would start his string of singlehandedly winning championships this year, seeing that he is basically a younger Michael Jordan with better hops and more upside.
Considering the problems at the PG position, why don't we give another one of Ainge's steals, Orien Greene some minutes? He is 6'4" and is a lockdown defender who can score whenever he wants to!
Scal still sucks.
LOL
We were wrong!
Damn right, willie! Danny, as much as I think he is a disingenuous ass, is a fucking prophet of the first order. May he be blessed with many wives and only a couple sons in heaven.
When he said he wanted to build a young nucleus that could grow together to be competitive for many years to come, who the hell knew they would grow up so fast? I mean, in just five years, Pierce, Allen, and KG are already 32; Cassell and Brown are 38; Posey and House are 31 and 30 respectively. Who knew they could mature so fast! Danny did! It's a fucking miracle!
And Doc too! Who knew that if you load him up with three experienced future hall of famers, he could actually coach? I'm learning new things about this game every day.
Whoohoo! Congrats Celtics!
Greetings, fellow bloggers. I want to know, now that the Celtics are world champions, if you'd all like to join something I'm starting up. We all by now know the secret to the Celtic success story was Ubuntu, the ancient African proverb about coming together as one. I am starting a group that will be guided by the code of Ubufu, and we can all come together as one while butfucking our way to everlasting bliss. What do you say, who wants to join? Ibufu, do Ubufu?
It was an amazing run celticsdoomers. I thought Danny's 4-5 year plan had about as much of a chance of succeeding as the ML Carr plan and the Rick Pitino plan.
This season required miraculous circumstances, starting with a team on the move looking to build around a young superstar and willing to deal its aging star for picks, to a megastar being dealt for a decent young player and six throwins; to our formerly cheap owner opening up the wallet and not only taking on two $20million contracts, but also shelling out the additional cash to round out the bench and complete the team.
Danny might've planned to trade his "assets" all along, but I don't think even the most green-eyed Celts fan envisioned the team being able to trade essentially Jefferson and the #5 pick in the 2007 draft for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen while keeping Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. These types of robberies haven't been seen in Boston in 25 years. Boston had lost its mojo.
I still can barely believe it. I feel like if I went on RealGM, which in my opinion is the litmus test for credulity on the value of Celtics players; which is to say that if you believe what they say over there about the value of Celtics players you'd believe ANYTHING, and proposed such deals at the end of last season, I'd have even been dismissed there.
It was an unprecedented turnaround. We were certainly wrong about Danny, but how could we have anticipated an NBA singularity?
I don't know how it happened, how we went from watching Wally, Gomes, Delonte, GG, Allen Ray, Telfair, Pinkney, and Kandi to watching a defensive-minded team-first PP, KG, Ray, Rondo, Posey, Powe, Perk, House, and PJ. None of the trades made sense then and they don't make sense now but hey, I'm glad they happened and what a season it was, and especially, what a finals!! Punctuated by a 39-point ass-whooping of the LA Lakers that left no doubt who the best team in the NBA is. There will be no crying about officiating or anything after the way the team closed out the finals.
It has been a pleasure following the team over here on celticsdoom... Chestnuts, if you're lurking, I hope you enjoyed this run as much as we all did and hopefully one day we'll hear from you again, even if it's just to say hi.
Right on, EJ! I'll kiss every zit on Danny's ass!
Well, the C's had quite a year, and a wonderful playoff run. I hope they can keep some of the key free agents, and add a couple of more pieces. This team as constituted has a few more good years left in them. Things with the Old Bag are still the same. I flipped a coin in front of her the other day and said "Heads I get tail, tails I get head." The coin landed on its' side. I won.
What's the difference between a hog and my "special friend"? To get a hog to come to you, yell "Soo-wee". To get my friend to come a runnin', yell "Wee-wee".
Champions.
What does Celticsdoom think of the Celtics' off-season so far? I'm pretty sure I already know the answer but I figure it is worth documenting my position so that I don't end up looking like a typical RealBM poster who never goes on record about anything and then expects you to believe that they have always been right about everything simply on the honor system..
The Celts still have half of the midlevel exemption, but most of the players that could help this team are off the market. I can't say I'd be jumping for joy if Darius Miles were added to the lineup.
Last season the Celtics won in huge part thanks to the trio and they are returning so the Celtics will be competitive again.
However, the Celtics also became champions because they got a lot of help from veterans like PJ Brown, James Posey, and Eddie House. The Celtics probably drop the series to Cleveland without PJ's contributions and I doubt they would have effectively corralled LeBron James and Kobe Bryant without having the option to give those players a different, more physically imposing look with Posey from time to time.
In the 2008-09 season the Celtics will be asking Patrick O'Bryant, he of a career total of 218 minutes played to step into PJ's shoes. Leon Powe and Big Baby will also have expanded roles I'm sure, but Leon has played 1,529 minutes and Baby has played 940.
PJ Brown by comparison has played 33,823 career minutes and 106 playoff games and his reputation as a hard worker and defensive stopper are well documented.
When the going gets tough as it did against Cleveland in game 7, I don't think you can count on Baby, Powe, or O'Bryant to step up and contribute 10 points and 6 rebounds on 100% shooting like PJ did for us last year to help push Boston over the top in a Pierce/LeBron shootout.
Replacing 6'8" James Posey with 6'4" Tony Allen in the role of backup swingman and telling me not to expect a dropoff in performance is similarly ridiculous. Tony Allen can't spread the floor with his shooting and can't defend bigger players.
The definitive 2008 Tony Allen play in my mind was in the regular season game against Detroit where he went for a pump-fake like an idiot while defending Chauncey Billups, committed a foul with 0.1 seconds left on a play where the clock would've expired before Billups could've even released the shot, and cost the Celtics a game.
I also remember a sequence in the playoffs when he checked into the game, immediately air-balled a three-pointer, then chastised himself for missing the shot rather than running back down the court to play defense and allowed his man to hit a three pointer, a rarely seen 6-point swing caused by Tony Allen's ineptitude.
Also I remember him actually getting PT during crunch time in an early-season loss against Orlando and bottom-rimming a wide-open layup in the final minute. Yes, you read that right. Bottom rimmed a layup.
And now, all of a sudden, because W
Wow what the fuck I got cut off let me try to finish that thought
It was something along the lines of..
And now all of a sudden because Wyc doesn't want to pay $5million for one extra year of Posey, I am supposed to believe that Tony Allen can step in and replace his effectiveness?
Blah blah blah we won with vets, blah blah blah the youth movement sucked then and it sucks now, blah blah blah RealGM sucks......... and that was about it..
Oh wow turns out I can right click and go back even on this little javascript popup and recover what I had wrote..
And now, all of a sudden, because Wyc doesn't want to pay $5million for one extra year of James Posey, I am supposed to believe that this man can step into Posey's role and help shut down guys like Kobe and 'Bron in 7-game playoff series' while also providing a timely offensive boost? Has TA ever taken a charge in his life? How many did Posey take last season?
Yikes. Hopefully the strengths of this team are enough to offset the downgrades. KG is still a top 5 player in the league and it could even be argued that there is no one more valuable right now. Ray is still one of the deadliest shooters in the league and Pierce is one of the NBA's top scorers and showed that he can even defend at an All-NBA level when the team needs him to.
Rondo is also one year more experienced as is Perkins. Eddie House will be back so we still have someone to do 3-7 step handshakes with the starters during pregame intros and still have a guy who isn't shy about taking and making big shots.
Still, Posey and PJ were huge and were not adequately replaced. Does Celticsdoom feel like the Celtics were that much better than the rest of the competition that they can win it all again in 2009 in spite of these losses?
I think they have a chance, but I had a lot more confidence in Poz and Peej than I do in Danny's latest kiddie kraze.
We won by surrounding three all-stars with vets. Why are we deviating from that strategy? It's not like last year was a walk in the park. Two series' went 7 games. I don't think it's wise to start developing youth while also trying to win championships, but that's just my opinion.
I'm sure RealBM is salivating over the prospect of a raw and as of yet worthless former #9 pick playing alongside KG, Pierce, and Ray and presumably developing the skills to help the Celtics transition into the next decade. I'd rather grab a guy like 75 year old PJ Brown and try to win a title while the trio can still play.
If this were RealBM, I'm sure someone would say "Why can't we do both?" and the answer is that vets win in this league, Bill Walkers and Patrick O'Bryants don't.
I'm still too drunk from the championship to assess the offseason. However, I do agree that Tony Allen is not playoff-level competitive, but I think another year of experience for Perk simply makes him an older future-journeyman. And, yes Posey and Brown were not adequately replaced, but remember Brown was acquired just before the playoffs, so I'm hoping a similar situation could happen this year because SCAL STILL SUCKS AND HE MUST NOT PLAY!
SCAL FUCKING SUCKS AND HE MUST NOT PLAY.
I, too, am upset at Mr. Posey's departure. The male to male hugging that went on before the games, along with the whispering of sweet nothings in the starters' ears, was arousing, to say the least. However, his last name was eerily similar to my absolute least favorite human body part, the female orifice that is so hideously disgusting. So, I guess it's a tradeoff. Hopefully, Mr. Scalabrine will stimulate me and my friends by some extra buttocks grabbing and patting, the more the merrier, as far as I'm concerned.
Darius Miles reeks of Gerald Greenitis. He is 6'10", has superior speed and leaping ability for his size, is an above average passer, defender, and ball-handler, yet still sucks?
It's like GG having the athletic ability to win dunk contests along with the ability to stroke threes yet still being a terrible basketball player.
What is Darius' deal? I haven't watched him since the Clippers committed basketall genocide and split up the Q and D duo. Is he really fat now? How limited is he by his injuries? He is still young and was supposed to be so good.
Unless he is just a shell of his former self I guarantee he is better than Tony Allen, so in that sense I like the signing. His lack of development of an outside shot or any discernible offensive moves is worrisome. If he could hit threes I'd say he's the perfect replacement for Posey.
Either way, I will be looking forward to many head-knocks in Boston next season. I would absolutely love to reunite him with Richardson at some point in the future. Neither player has been the same since they got separated and they were so fun to watch together.
I can't say I know much about him, but as long as he can help make sure that Scal doesn't play then I am all for it.
Is anyone else annoyed that Danny and Wyc went back to their historically cheap ways this offseason?
The roster is at 15 and by my count Danny used 1/2 of the midlevel exemption to sign Eddie House. DMiles was brought in with the minimum. I am a little unclear on O'Blount - was he signed using the MLE or using the LLE or what? As far as I know his salary of $1.5 million is above the league minimum so it must've been MLE money..
At any rate, Miles and O'Bryant are a lot less exciting than last year's signing of Posey. Although I'd love to see Miles succeed here, he has a history of disappointing everywhere he goes.
Basically, if Miles can't cut it our backup SG and SF is Tony Allen. That is a very underwhelming prospect for a team with championship aspirations. It'd be great if we were gunning for the 8th seed in the East and trying to develop youth and accumulate assets because there is a decent chance TA could put up decent stats on a shitty team, but I personally think TA is unreliable and usually hurts the team more than he helps it.
And if TA goes down, or Ray Allen or Paul Pierce - the Celts are going to be relying on guys like Eddie House at the SG position, or rookies JR Giddens and Bill Walker, or Brian freaking Scalabrine.
Remember how nice it was to have veterans at all positions that knew how to play and were ready to step in and contribute meaningfully to wins? Well now it's going to be TA, Bill Walker, and JR Giddens unless Miles resurrects his career.
Also - I think Zo and Mutombo are still Free Agents. Both haven't won a championship yet and our backup center right now is Patrick O'Bryant. I'm thinking we might get one of those guys with what remains of the MLE. It would require Danny to cut someone, though, since Miles completes the roster at 15.
Scalabrine, for all his intangibles, sucks, and would be an obvious choice; although his, House's, and TA's expirings next season might be a decent trade chip. Ray Allen also expires that year if Danny wants to get really crazy.
Sam says he's coming back to play. Mixed feelings on that one. On one hand, it's hard to believe that he fell completely off the wagon and is completely worthless now. I'm thinking his struggles last year may in part have been due to coming back from an injury at his advanced age.
On the other hand, aside from a few glorious stretches here and there, he sucked and killed the flow of the game when he was in there last season.
This should also kill Darius Miles' chances with the team since it'd put Boston at 15 guaranteed contracts. That is a shame. I was actually excited to see the head knock again.
Sam sucked shit, and he was incredibly selfish when he was in there, chucking up garbage time threes instead of passing to the younger guys. I'm hoping for an injury.
A rare gem from RealBM:
Stephon Marbury has announced that after he is waived by New York, he wil sign with Mars. He will be the first player to play outside of earth.
"Alot of players has been signing overseas. I decided to take another step, im going to Mars yo!"
Stephon's Agent wasnt available for comment but Steph had this to say in addition:
"Yo I was watching discovery channel, and doing prayers. I lit some incense and starting vibing. All of a sudden I got this message. I went into the mountains and kind-of waited. I seen this light and a noise like SHWOOOM, and I met these aliens. They said they was down with the Starbury Movement. I took a ride in a spaceship to Africa and seen like a zebra."
Hey guys, its been a while since I checked in here. It's good to see the die-hards are still here, but disappointing to see that the Doc hasn't returned. Anyway doomers, here's to number 18.
Someone on RealBM linked to these youtube videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...h?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...DRUu5HG4xc&
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They are extremely racist, annoying, and almost impossible to listen to because they are so obnoxious. The best part is, the author is DarthCelticRealGM and has Darth Celtic's avatar!!
I'm not sure if it's really him, but it sure would explain a lot, considering Darth has been easily one of the most annoying internet celtics fans for the past few years.
Wow, that was some bullshit. Americans are really showing their stuff these days.
Anyhow, new season starts tonight for the Champs...and Brian Scalabrine still sucks.
Voting in a green state
Allen said most of the team submitted absentee ballots for Tuesday's presidential election because the Celtics visit Houston that night. Rondo noted "all but one" player is pro-Barack Obama and said, "You can guess who he is." Brian Scalabrine confirmed the guesses: "I'm a strong right-wing Republican."
Ok, before, I only hated Scal as a basketball player.
Uh...Scal sucks?
Wow, I almost forgot to check in and mention that Scal sucks.
I saw that Ray Allen quote and my first thought was that Scal was obviously the culprit.
Then I talked myself out of it. I started thinking, Scal went to USC, which isn't exactly Berkley but I'd imagine these days it's not exactly BYU, either. Scal clearly liked to party as evidenced by his C-cups so I wasn't sure if he'd necessarily identify with conservative values.
Then I got to realizing that Scal has a reputation as a "good locker room guy", and when you suck as much as Scalabrine does I figured this just meant he was capable of scoring kind buds in every road city with just a couple phone calls.
Back in "05-06 Danny had the wonderful idea to team up Scal, Olowokandi, and Ricky Davis and the trio went on to nearly smoke Tony Allen, Gerald Green, and Marcus Banks right out of the NBA. The following year with Ricky out of the picture the Scal/Kandi duo picked up right where they left off and reduced Bassy to a seemingly brain-dead appendage in an undersized point guard's body with a constant onslaught of high-grade maryjane.
After they got KG and Ray I am pretty sure Danny just signed Pollard so that Scal would leave Pierce alone and let him enjoy playing with actual athletes rather than getting high with career journeymen.
So I figured, no way Scal would be a McCain supporter.. I got to thinking who was most likely. Ray Allen would've been my first guess but the article said that he was wearing an Obama shirt so he was ruled out. KG, Pierce, Rondo, TA, Big Baby, and Eddie House... No chance..
Kendrick Perkins got some consideration, but then I realized that there was no chance Perk grew up in Texas and was not gonna vote for Obama.
O'Bryant, Pruitt, and Giddens I don't even really know. After that youtube interview where Bill Walker declared Gilbert Arenas to be the best player in the NBA I knew it wasn't him.
I eventually settled on Leon. He grew up in Oakland, fatherless, blew out his knee and needed microfracture surgury after his freshman year.. battled back to get drafted in the second round, and made the league on sheer will and determination and still isn't getting paid like Scalabrine. I figured he'd be the guy most likely to say "Just let me keep my god damn money!!!!!"
Alas, it ended up being Scal. I overthought this one. Sigh.
Scal is the least talented and stupidest player on the team who has relied on ass kissing and reach arounds to stay in the nba. Of course it is him.
How fucking embarrassing that the TD Bankrupt crowd goes crazy on national TV when Scal shoots a wide-open three because his man, totally disregarding him, is doubling Leon Powe down low. I'm praying for a Scal injury.
Did you guys see that attempted Scal bankshot with about 2:40ish to go? Holy shit. I thought they were going to have to bring out the replacement backboard like when Shaq first joined the league.
14-2
Nice start huh
really a lot more competition in this league
lets see how it goes
specially this days like old years when season means little other than home court advantage *morevaluable last year* and all its about playoffs
In some way i really like the fact that theres something still running up here
Edgar
Much like last season, the top three teams so far have been Boston, LA, and Cleveland.
LA has improved a lot on defense allowing just 94oppg on the season. Last year they gave up 101ppg.
The Cavs have continued their strong postseason play into this season. Plus they added Mo Williams, DWest has stepped up, and they will most likely add another guy at the deadline with Wally's expiring on the books.
Our Celts again have the best defense in the NBA and are winning easily. Ray looks even better than he did last year. Not much can be said about this season so far since it's the start of December and the team appears to be on cruise control to a degree. Still, 2 blowout wins over Detroit, 2 wins over Houston, and 3 wins over the Cavs so far.
If it's December and the only 2 blemishes on the record are when they shit the bed on the 2nd night of a back-to-back against an inferior Pacers team and failed to close out the Nuggets, a team they beat by about 50 at home last year, then I'm not going to be too worried about the team.
About the Nuggets - a lot of media members were picking them as a sleeper finals pick before LAST season. Obviously they ended up being the worst of the 16 playoff teams, but with Billups they might be better than we think. Also, Birdman!!
The Iverson trade looks like it knocks the Pistons down a level and I'm not sure that they can compete with the Celts or Cavs anymore. Iverson is a cancer, plain and simple. The only reason they had practice on Thanksgiving was probably because his stupid ass didn't know the plays. Additionally, he is NOT a PG.
Do we have to take Orlando seriously as a contender?
Should be a good season. Scal sucks, though.
Also, please, please, please tell me the Celtics aren't going to sign Marbury when he gets bought out. Please. He is mildly amusing while being a complete disgrace for some other team, but that doesn't mean I want him talking about foxholes, Italy, the playoffs, Sebastian Telfair, and his penetration skills while a member of the Boston Celtics.
I can't imagine the Celts signing Marbury. They already have that asshole Sam Cassell waiting to hog all the garbage time shots in the stretch run and playoffs.
Also, I don't follow closely enough to comprehend other teams' long-term (in the case of McHale's D-Wolves, millenia-long) rebuilding plans, but I can't see trading Billups for Iverson. Billups is a leader and a tough guy. Iverson is a volume-shooter who takes shots away from guys who have better shots. The guy is a career 42% shooter. I just don't see how that helps you win. Rondo, who couldn't throw the ball into Sarah Palin's vagina, is a career 47% shooter. I just don't get it. It's hard to imagine a team trying to tank the season (which half the teams do) by getting Iverson, but I think that's what's happening.
Iverson's whole thing was always that he got to the free throw line so much that he offset his crappy FG%. Basically going 8-10 at the line is the same as going 4-5 from the field so with him it sort of evened out.
Plus he brought the top notch defense and the ability to take over games during his prime. Plus owners loved him because he sells tickets.
I really stopped following him when he left the 76ers but I'd be willing to bet that 33-year old Allen Iverson isn't playing defense at the same level as 25 year old Allen Iverson.
I wondered this myself for years, is it possible to win with Allen Iverson shooting 24 shots at 42%? Initially I thought no, and figured a team would at least need a guy like Pierce who can at least shoot 45% and get a ton of free throws, and ideally you'd like to have Michael Jordan who can shoot 50%+. I mean, that's what it would take to go toe to toe with the Tim Duncans and Shaquille O'Neals of the world who are easily good for 50% shooting.
We learned that you can win a championship with Pierce, almost to my surprise. We've never seen a guy like Iverson win one. Plus, Iverson now is a shell of his former self. This trade amounts to a salary dump for the Pistons. 'Sheed and Iverson both expire this offseason and I think they are looking to retool the roster since they clearly can't beat Boston or Cleveland.
Yeah, that's what I heard about the Iverson trade too. I haven't watched too much of the Celts this year, but what I've seen has blown me away. Well, at least the last game I saw which was, last Friday, against...I forget. They looked like the Washington Capitals, though. I mean the Celtics were *toying* with them. Rondo was tossing these oops to Granett. Ray was stoking 3s, Perkins is shaping into a real, live bona-fide NBA center - these guys look unstoppable. Plus how abut Rondo with the triple-double, by a bundle. Holy crap, Batman!
Keeping Rondo amidst the upheaval of "07 seems more remarkable by the day. McHale didn't think to say "Listen Danny, for the last time, I don't want Gerald Fucking Green. Either give me Rondo or I'll just keep KG and you can enjoy going .500"?
I think most people had the sense that Rondo had the potential to amount to something. He's currently 4th in the league in steals, 8th in assists, 6th in A/T ratio, and is shooting 53%.
Looking down the road he could command big time money when he's up for a new contract. Oh, and Scal still sucks.
McHale and Isiah both step down from NBA Front Offices in the same year. Sad times.
Unadulterated from ESPN:
"McHale continues to absorb heavy criticism for his front-office moves. In addition to the controversial Garnett deal, McHale preferred Randy Foye over Brandon Roy in the 2006 draft, used the No. 7 overall pick in 2007 on Corey Brewer -- only for Brewer to struggle mightily as a rookie and then suffer the misfortune of a season-ending knee injury on Nov. 29 -- and surrendered Memphis' O.J. Mayo in a draft-day deal last June that brought back Love and perimeter specialist Mike Miller. Even in a deep rookie class, Mayo is widely regarded as the most serious threat to Chicago's Derrick Rose in the NBA's Rookie of the Year race. "
Okay, let's admit it: Isaiah McHale is terrible. Jesus, he traded an NBA championship for Al Jeff and a half-dozen D-Leaguers. McHale should know that adding large quantities of shitty players does not make your team better, and adding Sebastian Telfair and Gerald Green is just fucking ridiculous unless you can guarantee a #1 lottery pick for the next two years. He is the Matt Millen of the NBA.
I agree Anon. McHale getting named coach is just an easy way for them to fire him at the end of the season when the T-Pups finish yet another season with win totals in the 20s, or at their current pace, in the teens.
McCants has taken a step backwards, Mike Miller is suddenly a guy who can only score 11ppg on a turrible team, and their PG (Foye) is not a real point guard. Kevin Love looks decent but they traded away OJ Mayo who was pretty much a can't miss NBA Superstar to get him. We were talking about tanking for Mayo on this site prior to the basketball apocalypse of 2007 when the Celtics actually became good again.
I just checked the Wolves' salary cap situation on hoopshype and was delighted to see that Brian Cardinal is owed $13 million over the next two seasons. How stupid do you have to be to end up in a situation where you owe Brian Cardinal $6.5 million per year?
Also, did anyone happen to catch the Gerald Green mini-emergence at the beginning of this season? He had three good games in a row (easily a career best) and was given a starting spot on the Mavericks.
RealGM Celtics became populated with self congratulatory "I told you so" posts, filled with posters claiming that they always knew that all Gerald needed was an opportunity or a real PG or a good supporting cast or whatever he supposedly had in Dallas.
Not coincidentally I am sure, during the stretch where Gerald was getting significant minutes the Mavericks went on a 5-game losing streak. After his minutes were reduced to a more Gerald Green-like 6mpg or so the Mavs proceeded to roll off 9 out of their next 10. He's shooting 23% on threes, had a 2:1 turnover to assist ratio, and on the season has 1 more rebound than fouls.
At any rate, Gerald Green sucks and we are 1 win away from the best start in Celtics history.
"How stupid do you have to be to end up in a situation where you owe Brian Cardinal $6.5 million per year?"
Uhm...Raef LaFrentz?
"At any rate, Gerald Green sucks and we are 1 win away from the best start in Celtics history."
Well, at least McHale did one thing right. Go Celts.
I read that Sasha Vujocic will not wear green because he hates the Celtics so much. Looks like that Laker rivalry thing is heating up again. I can't believe how fast the Pistons have deteriorated. Please don't play Scalabrine more than 2 minutes a game.
Well, I didn't get to see the Lakers game because I was at the mother-in-law's for some fucking holiday. Suffice it to say, though, that, because this is still Celtics Doom, I will assert that the Celtics fucking suck for losing that one, even though it was probably all Scalabrine's fault.
I caught the first quarter and the fourth quarter and was on the road in between. It was nothing more than a loss on the road to a good team.
One thing I will say is that Big Baby had like, the worst first quarter ever. In addition to bricking his jump shots (STILL at 36% shooting on the year as a PF!! That is worse than Antoine!! He SUCKS!!), he attempted a double-spin move into traffic and tried to finish with his left hand. It was like watching 2003 Paul Pierce trying to raise his scoring average while Eric Williams and Tony Delk looked on wide-open in the corner wondering if they'd ever receive a pass from Pierce again.
Predictably, Baby's sloppy-ass missed the left-handed finger-roll from 10 feet out and this led to a Lakers fast break attempt. Trying to salvage the play, he barreled down the court and got back JUST in time to foul Vujacic from behind while he was shooting a layup. It was a 5-point swing right out of Tony Allen's playbook.
At the risk of being inappropriate, I'm just going to say it. Big Baby is the black Scalabrine. He can't shoot, yet thinks he's an outside shooter. He brings absolutely nothing to the table. He can't defend anyone, or any position. He is not that good of a rebounder. He averages 16mpg and 3 fouls per game, which is reminiscent of the human personal foul himself Chris Mihm. He does not pass well, does not create for others, and usually looks like he doesn't belong on the court at all, just like Scal.
Both are "fan favorites" for reasons having nothing to do with their basketball ability (Scal because he's a chubby red-headed pale white guy and Baby because he's a chubby/smiley lardass who makes funny faces).
At this point, I think the only good thing anyone can say about Big Baby is that he sets nice screens. That's it. That's all he's bringing to the table. Can we please get PJ or Dikembe or someone so we don't have to deal with him in the playoffs?
Thankfully, this is his last year. With Powe being a free agent as well and the Celtics being well into the luxury tax territory I can't see Scal #2 being invited back to play for the Celts.
Big Baby as the Black Scalabrine: I'm gonna have to digest that one for a little while. I'm no Big Baby apologist, but at least, unlike Scal, he hasn't tried to refashion himself into the next three-point chucking Raef LaFrankenstien, big guy who, because of his "unique skill set," must play 25-feet from the basket. Maybe McHale can help Big Baby when either Big Baby gets traded to the D-Wolves for Al Jefferson plus a first-rounder or McHale takes his next job as Clifford Ray's assistant.
Brian Scalaburine + lolcats = win
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Holy shit, you guys see the reports that we are going to get Marbury? This guy has been the definition of cancer since he entered the league in the "96-"97 season. This might be a nice move on NBA Live but this is a ridiculous thing to do in real life.
He left 'Sota in the "98-"99 season and they went from 25 wins to 50 wins. He left the Nets after the "00-"01 season and they went from 26 wins to 52 wins the very next season. Then for his greatest trick of all he left the Suns in the "03-"04 season and they went from being a 29-win team with him to a 62-win team without him.
A similar trend is happening right now with the Knicks, as they are on pace to win approximately 10 more games than last year while simultaneously shedding salary left and right to make a run at Bron Bron.
Maybe four teams pulling a complete 180 with one common variable - the removal of Marbury - is a complete coincidence. Or maybe Marbury is a cancerous loser who who we'd be much better off without!!
Anyone else worried about Danny Ainge? It looks more and more likely by the move that Danny has luck to thank more than skill for being where he is today.
His 2003 draft where we had 2 1sts netted us just Kendrick Perkins, leaving guys like David West, Diaw, Outlaw, Delfino, Blake, Barbosa, Josh Howard, Luke Walton, Kyle Korver, and Matt Bonner on the board, while also managing to saddle himself with the necessity to dump Marcus Banks. That's just a poor draft.
That same offseason he gave Blount a long-term deal and extended Walter McCarty. He also traded JR Bremer for Jumaine Jones (WHY?) and of course everyone's favorite move Antoine for Raef in year 2 of a 7-year $70 million dollar contract.
Also in 2003 he traded EWill and Battie for Ricky Davis and Chris Mihm. He also traded Mike James for Chucky Atkins, and a couple of years later James averaged 20ppg 6apg for the Bobcats.
The 2004 draft went a little better as he got Jefferson, West, and TA. Still, though, it was pretty much common knowledge that Ainge wanted Robert Swift or Sebastian Telfair and we only got Al because the other two were gone. The DWest pick could've been worse, but Tony Allen has proven to be one gigantic 5 year long headache that I can not wait to end. He passed on superstar Kevin Martin and other guys like Vujacic, Udrih, and Varejo so that he could have this defensive specialist Tony Allen who according to RealGM will apparently be shutting down LeBron James in the playoffs.
In 2004 he also brought in Payton and Gugliotta (WHAT?!) and then traded them for Antoine Walker (DOUBLE WHAT???!!!)
I mean what the fuck is this guy doing? By this point Dr. Chestnutt couldn't take it anymore and started a god damn blog to chronicle this Isiah-esque catastrophe.
Then in 2006 Danny decides that he doesn't want Brandon Roy, a franchise player, a rare 6'6" point guard who is a great passer and is as efficient of a scorer as there is in the league. Instead, he uses the pick that could've been Roy to help clean up his previous mess - the atrocious Raef contract and gets Theo whos deal is one year shorter.
Yes, I will concede that Theo's deal was better than Raef's, but the fact is we shouldn't have been saddled with it in the first place. Rondo was a good pick, but the reality is that Danny could've drafted Roy and still traded a future pick to the Suns for Rondo. Rondo, Roy, Pierce, Al, and Perk wouldn't have been that bad, either, but instead we had Rondo, Telfair, Pierce, Al, Perk, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, and Michael Fucking Olowokandi.
Then the Sonics were selling the team so Ainge traded them some crap for Ray Allen, then McHale couldn't stand to see the team that he loves endure another 10 years of pathetic-to-mediocre seasons so he traded them Garnett for Jefferson and 7 scrubs.
Then Danny managed to sign 2 ring-chasing vets on the cheap (PJ and Posey) and got a ring out of it.
We were hopeful that Danny had fina
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Danny has Kevin McHale to thank more than luck or skill. McHale has proven himself again this year with the OJ Mayo - Kevin Love - Mike Miller trade to be perhaps the most incompetent personnel man in the NBA. Everything Danny has done other than getting Garnett has ranged from asinine (Raef) to idiotic (Telfair), with the possible exception of adding Ray Allen, which would have meant nothing without KG.
7 out of 9 with 3 Hall of Famers on the team including a drubbing at the hands of their main competition in the East?!?! Fire Doc! Trade Pierce! Cut Tony Allen!!
I wonder how long this would have to go on before Dr. Chestnutt became manifest once again.
"I feel the same way about this team now as I did three weeks ago" - Danny Ainge
Fucking A..
On the bright side, I did bet $100 on the Cavs to win the NBA Championship at 14:1 odds during the off-season so if Ainge continues to act like this team either doesn't need anything or needs Stephon Marbury then there could be some silver lining for me at least.
It's like the mere thought of signing Stephon Marbury was enough to destroy the Celtics. I think the Celtics, especially Rondo and now Perk are a little banged up right now so things likely aren't quite as bad as they appear to be. Still, this is a very discouraging stretch.
Heaven help us, Scalaburine is starting against Toronto. Somewhere 3000 miles to the West, Dr. Chestnutt's hemorrhoids are flaming up.
So it looks like Marbury to the Celtics is a go. Much like the offseason where Danny signed Scal, Dickau, and then traded for Olowokandi - I fear that Danny Ainge is trying to get me to kill myself.
The "Executive of the Year" signed Patrick O'Bryant, replaced Posey with Tony Allen, replaced PJ Brown with Big Baby Davis, and is now on the verge of signing Stephon Marbury. I could've entered transactions into the ESPN trade machine with my ass cheecks and not come up with a worse string of moves than that. Basically, an F, followed up an F, followed by an F, followed by an F---.
A friend of mine who is a Bucks fan sent me a message saying "Well, at least your starting lineup isn't gonna be Ridnour, Bell, Jefferson, Mbah a Moute, and Charlie V."
Touche. Which begs another question - who kidnapped Danny Ainge and performed admirably two offseasons ago? And why did he regress back into a blithering idiot the very next year?
I am still in disbelief over this Marbury fiasco. Is Danny fucking serious? I want to root for the Celtics, but I can't even stand the thought of seeing Marbury in a Celtics uni celebrating a championship that KG, Ray, Rondo, and Pierce won for him. Eddie House is fine!! If this is a situation where we need a body on the court until TA gets back that is one thing, but I truly hope he gets the Sam treatment in the playoffs and we let actual NBA players get the PT in the games that count.
Mikki Moore, though, I like him. He was good for both the Clippers and the Nets. I don't remember him being on any of those other teams and obviously I haven't watched many Sacramento Kings games in the past couple of years so I'm not sure if he's still got it. He does have a strange infatuation with lizards, though. The reason he has his hair like that is not because he's a huge asshole, but because he's trying to look like his favorite lizard. At first I thought this was bizarre but I figure being into lizards is a lot better than being into shooting guns into the air outside of restaurants in densely populated metropolitan areas like Tony Allen, so I'm ok with it.
No doubt, Marbury does not deserve the Celtics. What's next? A front office job for Isaiah?
I'm not sure what Moore brings. Height?
Does anyone know how to contact Will Boberts? I need to ask him a question.
I don't want to react until the final vote tally is in, but I don't think Stephon Marbury is going to win the 6th man of the year award.
As for Will Roberts, did they ever enable PMing over at RealBM again? I am 99% certain that he is Wigglestrue. Like Jungle Jim before me, I finally couldn't take it anymore and just had to stop visiting that site.
Anyone like our chances in the playoffs this year?
Funny. Marbury sucks, possibly even worse than Sam Cassell.
I never got into real BM. Life is too short.
I'm not down on the Celts' chances. I think they've been holding out KG to try to make sure they get playoff D, which is what will win it or lose it.
Nice of the Celtics to wait until all the tickets were sold before letting on that KG is done.
Too bad, we'll always have 2008. The greatest 3 months of my life.
Yeah, that's funny.
Not a great start to the playoffs. 105-103. Ouch! The Bulls did to the Celtics what Will Roberts would like to do to all of us.
Such a downer that KG is out for the playoffs. We knew this team had a limited window as a contender when we assembled an over 30 all-star team, but to lose KG in to a serious injury in year 2 is just a shame. At least we got one title out of it and got rid of Sebastian Telfair and Gerald Green in the process. I'll take those results 10/10 times.
I don't mean to drop celtics doom before the team even gets eliminated, especially since this series had two great games already so far, but what do we do this this squad? I'd say we have good reason to believe that the window has closed on us as championship contenders. I don't think KG will ever be the same again with the mileage on his body, his age, and now his surgery-requiring knee.
Do we blow it up or roll with what we've got for another few years? Ray represents an expiring contract next year but it'd be a real shame to see him traded since he is my favorite player on the team to watch with KG out. I'm not sure what he'd bring back in a trade anyways. Where the fuck is Dr. Chestnut? Do we even have confirmation that he's still alive?
Well, maybe in the off-season Danny can trade Bill Walker, Marbury, Scal, Pruitt, Perk, Moore, O'Bryant, and TA for Al Jefferson. Never can tell what McHale might do for his buddy Dan and the Celts.
I just read Celticsblog for the first time in probably two years and Jeff made a nice post about how he thinks Ainge probably really is floating Rondo and Ray's names out in trade talks, reasoning that since Boston is involved in pretty much every single one of Chad Ford's rumors there most likely is some fire where we're seeing all this smoke. Jeff didn't really speculate, just said he had a hunch that there was something brewing.
Then I made the unfortunate decision to scroll down to the comments section. People think we can trade Ray/Rondo for Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler, then trade Perkins and Bill Walker for the #2 pick in the draft.
What is it about having a connection to the Internet and being a Celtics fan that makes these people so retarded?
I was just thinking about this site a few days ago. Hope all is well with you folks.
Crazy rumor season isn't it?
It's always crazy with "Denial Danny."
I guess the D-Wolves wanted to take advantage of Sebustian Telfailure's tutoring ability, so they drafted three point guards.
I could not believe my eyes when 'Sota took Flynn. They could've had the best possible draft - Rubio and Curry - and instead took a second PG? After they took Lawson and before the trade with Denver was announced I was in disbelief. It was like Dr. Chestnut himself had taken control of the team. I mean, I don't like Telfair either but drafting three PGs is ridiculous!
As it is, they passed on an obvious 20ppg scorer for a PG they don't need with a top 6 pick. Unbelievable!!
The other highlight of the draft was Brandon Jennings getting picked 10th, then showing up for the draft and being allowed on stage after the 14th pick. It's too bad he shaved that ill flat-top. After bashing Rubio all summer on twitter, averaging 7ppg in Italy last year, and showing up for the draft four picks late he has a lot of potential for absurdity. I think the flat-top would've gone well with his antics.
As far as the Celtics go, it sounds like Rasheed is a real possibility with Tanguay on TV the other day talking like he both knew something and like it was pretty much a done deal. It's being reported as likely on ESPN now, too. He's definitely a bit over the hill, but he is beyond what I thought Boston was going to be able to pull in Free Agency so I'd be quite happy with it. In fact, I love Rasheed Wallace and really hope this happens. Also, Mark Stein says Boston has Grant Hill on their radar as well.
Eddie House has already exercised his player option so he'll be back with us. If Danny can pull 'Sheed/Hill I'd consider that a very successful offseason.
I am excited about potentially combining Eddie's handshakes with 'Sheed's dancing in the circle routine. If only we still had Posey for pregame hugs!!
I love the Rasheed Wallace signing. I think at the peak of his powers he was every bit as good as Garnett. Boston is a perfect destination for him with Pierce and Ray Allen being able to handle late game scoring opportunities and KG and Ray setting the tone in the locker room. 'Sheed can just show up and play basketball and not be counted on to be a clutch performer or a leader. I think Celtics fans will end up loving this guy.
However, much like 2007 this isn't a situation where one move is good enough. Celtics still need a backup PG who can handle to the ball to keep Rondo from being a head case. As good as he was against the Bulls, he was equally terrible against the Magic. If the Celtics go into another season without someone who can bring the ball up and push Rondo if Rondo gets out of line then there is nothing to prevent Rajon from going into me-first mode.
Ainge even said when he was a Celtic that Boston drafted or signed a guard every year that he was with the team. These guys need to be pushed and Rondo knows Boston has no one else to go to.
Also - a glaring weakness is at backup swingman where Tony Allen is currently slated for 20-30mpg. As we know, this is unacceptable for a contending team. I don't think Walker or Giddens are able to handle this role, either. Gary Tanguay, the Comcast schmohawk who first broke the 'Sheed story now says that Grant Hill will become a Celtics and Big Baby will become a Maverick. I think this is a good move because GHill can help with PG duties if the Celtics wanted to go big.
Also Tyronn Lue was being mentioned for a while as a backup PG option. All I really remember about him was the NBA finals that he played very well in and earned a big contract. I guess Lue is friends with KG..
After last year's pathetic showing by Wyc and Danny, I must say I'd be pretty satisfied with a Wallace/Hill haul plus a veteran PG that isn't Stephon Marbury... Hope all is well with the Celticsdoomers... EJ is pretty happy about the Rasheed Wallace era!!
Well, I'm not sure how Sheed helps the C's "create a nucleus of young players who can be competitive for a long time to come." But if he makes sure that we don't have to watch Scaburine, then I'm all for it.
I can't think that even Danny intends to have Tony Allen play 20-30 minutes per game. That would just be silly. Something will done to make sure that doesn't happen. Everyone knows by now that TA S-U-C-K-S.
Looks like Danny is not going to make the same mistakes he made last year. From what I'm reading, the Celtics have either A) Signed Daniels for the bi-annual $1.9 million Lower Level Exception; or B) Acquired Daniels in a sign and trade for Tony Allen AND Brian Scalabrine.
Option A would be sweet, for no other reason that it bumps TA further down the depth chart and if the unthinkable happened to Pee Pee or Ray Ray then we'd have a quality fill-in.
Option B would be a dream come true. I am not in love with every player on the team, for example I don't particularly care for Pierce or Perkins, but I at least think they have redeeming qualities.
Scal and Tony Allen on the other hand do absolutely nothing for me and I can't wait to see these two holdovers from Danny's failed years off the roster. I also wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for the first meeting between Bird and Tony Allen.
Anyone hearing anything new about Big Baby? To me it looks like Portland and Dallas are the most likely teams to make him an offer. I really don't know if Danny would match a full MLE offer for him. As a starter, I hate Davis but as the 2nd big man off the bench he is great. I'd like to see him back but I understand if they don't want to be paying him starter money to play 10mpg and fill in if there are injuries..
You guys see the rumored Big Baby sign and trade deal for Yi Jianlin? Danny is close to satisfying his outrageous desire to have both Robert Swift and Yi Jianlin on this roster while managing to also please Celticsdoomers by also trying to win basketball games.
What the hell will Yi do? Back up Scal?
Yeah, Danny finally gets Swift. Too bad he and Telfair were already gone in the 2004 draft, so we got stuck with Al Jeff.
I just returned from a summer trip to Montreal. What an advanced culture! Wherever I went, people would say wee-wee and I would shout out "There's one over here". What a town. Sheldon Williams, our newest Celtic, is way down on my list of people who I'd want to look down at my crotch and see hanging around. Fugly. I know my lover's nearby when I can bend down and can see four balls.
Really looking forward to this season. I think KG and Sheed are going to energize each other, and have a lot of fun doing it. These guys need another title or two to be cemented in as one of the great Celtic teams.
I like Boston's chances this year. Over in Vegas both Cleveland and LA have better odds, though. It will ultimately depend on KG's health if you ask me. Rondo not forgetting that he is a playmaker and defender primarily could also be a deciding factor in whether or not this current team can win another title.
Did you guys see any of this Marbury stuff? At various points he was eating vaseline, crying for over 5 minutes straight, and smoking a joint. I mean, anytime I'm trying to get someone to pay me over a million dollars for my athletic prowess I usually go on the Internet and broadcast myself nationally getting high, too.
People on RealBM *STILL* want him back after all this. He even gave out his home phone number. This is an open challenge to anyone who has wandered here from celticsblog or realbm: Go to youtube and search: "Stephon Marbury Crying". Watch the entire video. If you still want him on the Celtics after that I say you're officially out of your fucking mind!!
New season starts tonight! Whoohoo! Go Scal! Can't wait to Raef Wallace out there chucking threes!
What's up Celticsdoom... Cs look pretty damn good this year. I can't even come up with any doom!
I guess Scal is healthy again so we'll have to see his C-cups out there in garbage time from now on. I'm loving 'Sheed so far, does a great job stretching the floor.
Scal turned the game around against the Nuts. Teams are going to pay for pretending Scal is not out there. (Well, not really, ok)
Meanwhile, Raefsheed has come crashing back to earth.
And how about TA? Big Baby?
Ok, that's all for now. They can go win their next 12 or 13 games, and then I'll come back with more bad things to say. Champions.
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