It might not be so bad if this person did reproduce. It is not uncommon for the children to be totally opposite in parts of character from their parents. My brother, a very good man, but a liberal, has twin sons that are both very conservative. (As well as very good men.)
Steve | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 7:43 am | #

No better drone than those drones who drone on about the evil drones in the Industrial Military Complex, particularily those drones who exist within Irovy Tower's Industrail Culture-Indoctrination Complex and have experienced the ever so enlightening program appropriately titled Tunnel of Oppression.

Every once and a while I pity the those living inside utopian paradise for they have no idea just how enslaved they are under their indoctrinated oppression.
susan | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 7:55 am | #

I would suggest to you that this person really doesn't know anyone in the military. I am not sure that this person has a rational mind.
Having spent 20 years in the military as an enlisted person I know the skills, talents and abilities possessed by these people who serve their fellow citizens.
I will bet that I hold more degrees with Science in the title, both undergraduate and graduate, professional certifications and awards for merit than this person and most of his fellow travelers. My son, who is enlisted, is working on his Masters in Computer Science and my daughter, who was enlisted, has a degree in Economics. Our family is not unusual for those who choose to serve.
One only needs to read DoD statistics on the education levels of all personnel to understand how mistaken this individual is.
The military provides tuition assistance and in-house training as well. Every effort, given the exigencies of the service, is made to get people to constantly upgrade their education.
If one are not filled with hate then one would realize that it make sense that one would want the best trained, educated and motivated people possible in the military. You want people capable of making good decisions and taking responsibility at all levels because one never knows when a person is going to be thrust into a leadership position. The last thing a military needs is drones.
The people in the military are fine young men and women who are better human beings and have a greater understanding of the responsibilities of being a citizen in a free country than those who practice and live in such hate.
Dennis | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 8:47 am | #

-truth be known, I bet site author is one of those folks who has a morbid fascination with violence, the type that can't take his eyes off combat footage - I bet he has all those combat video games too. For whatever reason that prevents him from being able to be a part of it, be it military or police, he then loathes what he can't be. He makes reference that he has known many dedicated soliders. That's the tip-off right there. I pretty much loathe skin-heads and KKK members and I am here to tell you I don't know a single one of them, yet site author seems to know so many people that degrades?? Hmmm - then he alludes to homosexuality.... really? Pass the thorazine please, I know someone who needs a massive dose...
goesh | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 8:48 am | #

I posted this in your referred post, Doc, so you can pull either that one or this one if you like...

SiteAuthor seems to be a legend in his own mind. But hey, I remember when I was a teenager and in my early 20s - I knew how everything worked too. It's only with a bit of perspective (and introspection) that you see how you were pretty damn foolish in those years. Sadly, I think a number of folks go into rampant denial about the foolishness of their thoughts and attitudes of those years, enshrining their ideas and prejudices into a concrete mass that's surprising resistant to modification by external stimuli.

And it doesn't help when all you know about the military is learned by watching contemporary war movies, where more often than not the guy in uniform's the bad guy. The thing they forget about those programs is that they're usually written by folks who don't understand the military, produced by folks who are ambivalent at best about the idea of the military, and have actors in them who are ambivalent to hostile about the existance of the military, and have no more concept of what military service, military jobs, or military personnel are like than a 7-year old knows about being an adult. Oh, they have vague ideas... but the actuality is far beyond them.

As far as volunteering for the military goes - I came from a middle-class background in '74, and have 23 years combined Active and Reserve time under my belt. Oddly enough, the majority of folks come from the middle class. Here's a DOD paper on
just who is volunteering for the military.

SiteAuthor - I refer you to the poem "Tommy" by Rudyard Kipling. Some things never change. Things have gotten better since Kipling's time - but the condesention and distdain by the self-appointed 'elite' still comes through, and Tommy still sees.

Yet Tommy'll still protect your sorry ass.

J.
JLawson | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 8:53 am | #

Some buttons are so easy to push eh?
Snicker.
jim b | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 9:11 am | #

Yeah, there's folks who'd go up to a sleeping lion and try to kick it...

Think of it as darwinism in action.

J.
JLawson | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 9:37 am | #

> "The state of California just killed an innocent man," shouted three of his followers after the execution.


Are these people NUTS?

Oh, sorry, they're Democrats.

Never mind.

I'm not gonna bother arguing if he had earned sufficient clemency to gain a commution of his sentence to life, but NO AMOUNT of action could have made Williams innocent.
Oh Blutige Hölle | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 9:40 am | #

>If one are not filled with hate then one would realize that it make sense that one would want the best trained, educated and motivated people possible in the military.

Especially in the modern, highly technical military.

This is not your father's Army.

It is very much a high-tech operation, and "grunts" just don't cut the mustard any longer. Certainly they have to be tough, but smart is called for as well, just to handle all the standard equipment which goes hand-in-hand with being a modern member of one of the Armed Services.
Oh Blutige Hölle | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 9:48 am | #

"I will bet that I hold more degrees with Science in the title, both undergraduate and graduate, professional certifications and awards for merit than this person and most of his fellow travelers. My son, who is enlisted, is working on his Masters in Computer Science and my daughter, who was enlisted, has a degree in Economics. Our family is not unusual for those who choose to serve."

Yes, Dennis, but those aren't the truly "meaningful" degrees valued by the left. Topics like "Women's Studies", various applied forms of anthropology, English Literature, etc. are the education chosed by this type. Lots of "noble causes" and admittedly interesting information in some cases, but they surely are something that noone wants to employ them for. They are just so damned bitter and hateful of success!

Dave D.
Dave | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 10:08 am | #

Hey! Don't denigrate english literature by linking it to the Left. Some of us in English are actually rational!
anonshakespeare | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 10:33 am | #

What is most disturbing is the idea that the critic believes he/she is a particularly informed individual. The profound self absorpbtion and self centeredness of those who cannot even for a moment, consider the lives that are being impacted by free elections, free speech and so on, by our nations actions is stunning.

The writer is right about the Darwinism aspect of the events of the day.

He and his ilk, are destined for a lifetime of irrelevance. The proof is in the pudding.
sigmund, carl and alfred | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 11:24 am | #

Doc, I have learned through experience that Concern & Compassion (TM) is the sure sign of a sociopath.
Ken | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 12:29 pm | #

>> "The state of California just killed an innocent man," shouted three of his followers after the execution.
>
>Are these people NUTS?
>
>Oh, sorry, they're Democrats.

Actually, it was the Barbara something-or-other who ghost-wrote Tookie's Nobel Prize-nominated children's books. (All in "Ebonics".)

I call her "Tookie's Ho"; she's probably some sort of killer-groupie (like the one who married the Night Stalker) with an obvious "OOOOO! MY SOULMATE!" reaction. From the way she's choreographing the funeral (like Rosa Parks except fancier, with Tookie's ashes being scattered over AFRICA by Nelson Mandela himself), she's still got a wet pussy for her Soulmate (TM) Tookie.
Ken | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 12:32 pm | #

The drilled formation originated as the association of free men to defend themselves against wild robber-barbarians. I guess we know where this commenter stands: it must be all the fault of "society"...
Solomon2 | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 2:15 pm | #

This may seem to begin off topic, but stick with me...I think I'm seriously starting to lose it with these idiots...

Over the weekend, Showtime ran the latest installment in their horror anthology, "Masters of Horror." This particular episode was entitled "Homecoming," directed by Joe Dante, and was as overtly moonbatty as anything I've seen, read or heard to date. Basically, the dead bodies of soldiers killed in an "unpopular war" come back to life to kill the "chickenhawks" who sent them into battle.

Now, consider this little gem of art with the likes of Randi Rhoades, Alec Baldwin and any of the hundreds of other borderline psychotics who've at one time or another openly (or covertly) advocated the assasination of the President and/or his cabinet. Consider further the actions of the Weathermen, SDS, SLA, McVeigh, and any number of domestic terrorists who were delusional enough to believe they were right. The image a reasonable person may come away with, as I did, is one of despair, in light of the ever-increasing violence with which the left seems willing to use in their opposition to the majority.

My question: how much longer until these petulant, intolerant children decide to resurrect anarchy in the name of overthrowing the United States government? Everyone here knows that's exactly what they're after, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why this isn't being discussed. No one is questioning the right to free speech, but when the leftist groupthink begins to adopt violence as a legitimate response to the "criminal and illegal Bush regime," our collective brush-off of these words as simple moonbattery or BDS becomes increasingly irresponsible, doesn't it?

More to follow, but at the moment, I need to think this through. To me, it's that serious.

Eric in Hollywood
HollywoodNeoCon | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 2:18 pm | #

The other side of the coin is the left's obsession with abortion, which only serves to reduce their numbers. I think death is wrong, no matter who is dying, but there is so much more honor dying for what you believe in, for your country, than the other, which I consider murder, as the baby did not have the option of choice.
FrankR | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 2:50 pm | #

When ever I meet such people I smile and say that I have 3 kids and probably will have more, that I have 5 siblings who are all conservative and between us all we have over 20 kids...snort, giggle, bwahahahah. We're gonna beat you at your own game commie! Power to the people! When we outnumber your ilk 2 to 1 - which we will in 10 short years, ahhhh then you'll see what conservatism is really like muhahahahah.
John | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 2:54 pm | #

For the most part, the anti-military folks I've met are a conflicted bunch. They really prefer the status quo to anarchy (unless they have accounts in Switzerland or somewhere "safe"), but they denigrate the very people who act quickest during national disasters.
Jean | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 3:13 pm | #

Touchstone Magazine
Baillie | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 4:15 pm | #

"an organization that must destroy free will and independent thought in order function properly"...sounds like a typical university humanities or social science department...
David Foster | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 4:45 pm | #

I'll remind you all that I've revealed nothing of my political views, I've just given what I think is a reasonable and pragmatic view of a type of person: A guy who needs (and needs is the word) to be, as I aptly put it, a drone among thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of other drones, is going to be have a particular sort of psyche.

There may be exceptions, but I've known my share of young men who exulted in their experiences in the army, navy, or marines, (can't think of any airforce grunts)and they believe it made them better people. And they're right. Having known them beforehand, they were invariably morons--Fourth and fifth rate human beings unable to understand politics beyond bumper stickers. These people I believe, are possibly elevated to third rate human beings by the discipline instilled in them in the military. At least now they can be relied upon to shut up and go at hard work--strictly physical labor.

This is a fact. This doesn't mean I don't believe our nation should have a defense you ridiculous fools. It means there is a chasm betweem those who orchestrate the fights and those who do the fighting. You asses didn't know this? The people getting slaughtered ought to be the third rate (and lower) human beings. It's just intellectual dishonesty to romanticize these apes. A guy doesn't gain any actual merit for getting killed in a cause he doesn't grasp, any more than a dog does who gets killed trying to chase passing cars away from his perceived territory. He was a good, dedicated dog, doing what he thought was right, but in the end he was too stupid to live.

As for the oft-made argument that we owe freedoms to military types, I take This to be the last refuge of the weak minded. Unless you're talking about those who fought in our Revolution there isn't really a lot to back this up. We owe our basic freedoms, most significantly to Tom Paine, who basically dreamed up all of America's ideals singlehandedly and did so mostly by thinking in terms of the opposite of the oppressive English class system. Ever hear of The Bill of Rights? This helps too. And the argument can be made that our real rights, (not to argue like this but our hand and voice in government) is shot to hell. Follow the money, fools.

And does this idiot really think because Kipling said something it becomes true? He must be crushed when he goes to the zoo and the animals don't talk.

What you confused people are thinking of is military might--a huge budget for making weapons and the ability to draft up a few million poor slobs when necessary. The big stick. But this idea only ties in with our basic freedoms if we assume there are "barbarians at the gate" which there aren't and never have been. (Read up, FDR provoked the Japanese attack) Even if you take the events of 9/11 as presented by FOX news, the enemy would still be a scattered and small group which got fantastically lucky that one time. No direct relation to the current idiocy in the Middle East, and no justification for those being maimed and killed there. Therefore, to bring it around, they aren't protecting my rights. This is a pathetic clap trap embraced by the small minded.

For the infromation of the people intuiting all of my thoughts beyond the few points I have held to, I have been a registered Republican for my twenty-plus years as a voter, hated Clinton and Co. and despise Michael Moore. (As a small business owner, I have concluded that conservative ideals are the only realistic ones.) However, Clinton and Moore at least can speak their native language. If you people can look at a stammering, mentally disabled cretin such as George W. Bush and feel pride in your party or your country, you are indeed deluded.

I believe who I am arguing with is a bunch of suckers in perpetual shock from 9/11, too gutless to do anything but applaud and crawl along in the direction they're pointed.

Moreover, you people are entirely entrapped by the boundaries of right/left thinking. Because something is not 'right wing' it automatically becomes, to your infantile reasoning, 'left wing'. You fools have assigned to me whole universe of opinions based only on the fact that I don't buy into your trite "Hero" propaganda.

I've said it about members of my party before, and I'll reiterate it here: If the president could manage to stammer out a speech in support of it, and Rush Limbaugh could then pick up the ball and give you an argument in favor of it that sounded almost logical, you people could be convinced to eat your young.

You were certainly convinced easily enough to have them massacred in Iraq.
Site Author | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 5:53 pm | #

Site Author:
"(Read up, FDR provoked the Japanese attack)"

HUH!!

I must say that you've managed to touch all the bases of paranoia. How about counting Sam and John Adams for provoking the Boston Massacre? We have a special today: Martians attacked Northern New Jersey in 1938. Try that one on for size.

And how is Pat Buchanan these days? I bet the Joooos did it, eh, pal?

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." You must be overjoyed, pal.

Besides pig-ignorant...you can be mistaken for a teenager with mental zits.

"Respect a child's potential from the moment it breathes clean air; but the man of fifty who has learned nothing is not worthy of your respect."

That's you, SA.

Not the child obviously...
Good Ole Charlie | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 6:22 pm | #

"There may be exceptions, but I've known my share of young men who exulted in their experiences in the army, navy, or marines, (can't think of any airforce grunts)and they believe it made them better people. And they're right. Having known them beforehand, they were invariably morons--Fourth and fifth rate human beings unable to understand politics beyond bumper stickers. These people I believe, are possibly elevated to third rate human beings by the discipline instilled in them in the military. At least now they can be relied upon to shut up and go at hard work--strictly physical labor."

I've known my share of servicemen as well. Most of them do NOT match your description. Most of them work in highly technical fields, in fact, not physical labor.

But then my sample is rather small and restricted to the geographic area where I live and work. This, of course, influences the type of people I know and the type of work they do after their military service. Perhaps geography is a better explanation for what type of people in a given population choose military service than your assumption that all are "morons"?

Just a thought...
March Hare | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 6:36 pm | #

Well, good, we get back to psychology again. If you let people talk long enough, they eventually reveal what they actually mean. Blogging comments offer something superior to conversation in this, because SA would have been cut off in conversation a dozen times for the others present to take issue with a particular comment as it went by before proceeding to the next one. Here, we get to see the Full Monty. So to speak.

There are some unintelligent people in the military, and there are some fools, just like anywhere else. Drawing conclusions from this seems simplistic. As to the "drones," I think it is fairly clear after a little thought that the military requires both independent thought and obedience, at different times and for different reasons. This doesn't seem particularly earth-shaking to recognise this. Concerted and co-operative action is much more difficult to accomplish than solo performance.

We have indeed leapt to conclusions about SA's other beliefs, as he notes. Most of these are high-percentage guesses however, and he has offered nothing that would set his views apart from the many others who have contempt for the people in the military. While it may be technically true that courage is not a substitute for intelligence, nor an indicator thereof, it is also true that one receiving an unearned gift should look upon the giver in the best possible light.

SA seems determined to hold the idea that his subjective opinion of the intelligence of some people he knows is a marker for the worth of the average soldier, in the face of contrary objective evidence.

Ignore for the moment that this is foolish. It is also instructive, if we observe dispassionately. SA's defense mechanisms are far less intact than those we usually encounter. Most people having contempt for the military disguise it even from themselves, with elaborate rationalizations and intellectualizations. In my experience, such are "better" defended and much less amenable to change.
Assistant Village Idiot | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 7:28 pm | #

By an appropriate coincidence, while SA continued his nasty little spew of hatred and contempt, "this piece just appeared in the Wall Street Journal. Matt Pottinger, former WSJ journalist, writes about why he gave up his career to become a Marine. The Marines I know personally are also far from sub-average in intelligence. If SA were more intelligent, he would not have written such an obviously false and foolish farrago of defamatory cretinism, but then, if he were more intelligent (intellectually and emotionally) then he would not hold such bigoted opinions.
pst314 | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 9:57 pm | #

First, SA is lying - he/she is not a Republican, unless it's purely to give him/her political cover. Second, military officers have all had to earn advanced university degrees and boast some of the most credential-rich resumes in society, proving SA to be a true moron by comparison (so, what meaningful things have you really accomplished with your life, SA, that would cause you to spew such bile?). Third, by this time next year, SA will be irrelevant, a lone voice braying in the wilderness. SA doesn't realize that his/her sad, pathetic outlook on life carries its own seeds of destruction in the accomplishments of those SA despises. Quick, SA, you can still craft yourself a life of meaning before it's too late.
Danny Lemieux | Email | Homepage | 12.15.05 - 10:42 pm | #

Doc,

That post insert reminds me of 2 quotes:

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

and

"Arguing on the Internet is like participating in the Special Olympics: Even if you win, you're still retarded."

DISCLAIMER: No offense meant to be given to anyone who has disabled or mentally dysfunctional family or friends. Just making a point at what an idiot this person is calling Conservatives "cowards" and such.

As I said before, Democrats and the LL just don't get it.
hundfuhrer99 | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 12:07 am | #

All right, I've been away for a week. I went down to Orlando for my brother's wedding (he and his fiance just finished shooting an episode of Extreme Makeover that should air early next year, probably around Valentines Day, so look for it and you'll get a glimpse of me, the man you love to hate). I figure this post is as good a place to jump back in as any. Does it strike anyone else that it's very disingenuous to take a post off a message board, from some anonymous citizen of which we know absolutely nothing, and decry it as being "the true feelings of the left?" You are all perfectly correct to tear his remarks apart, as they are completely below the pale of rational discourse, and I find them especially off-putting as an active duty member of the armed forces. But to sit back and say "see, this is how the left is" is beyind disingenuous. It's demagogic.
jeff | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 6:38 am | #

Demagogic? Hardly. If it looks like an ass, if it brays like an ass, if it walks like an ass, then.....
Danny Lemieux | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 8:42 am | #

"Hey! Don't denigrate english literature by linking it to the Left. Some of us in English are actually rational!"

Sorry, anon. I am not denigrating anything. I am just stating that lots of these libs are mad because they are not paid very well for getting such degrees. I'm a chemist and could relate the same to a biologist who constantly moans about how much more I make than they do. You know this going in, IMO. As I said, noble causes, but not the way to financial gain.
Dave | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 9:42 am | #

"Demagogic? Hardly. If it looks like an ass, if it brays like an ass, if it walks like an ass, then....."

Yes, this guy is an ass. No, he isn't a spokesperson for anyone else, let alone the left.
jeff | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 10:09 am | #

Ah yes... it's not that the military or Rightwingers are wrong...no no no. If we were merely wrong, then the left could make cogent arguments to support their superior positions, forcing us to conclude they're right and thus be converted.

Since we don't agree with their superior positions (proved by our actions) it MUST mean that we're mentally deficient. Yeah, that's the ticket! This is why Reagan was a braindead cowboy... he didn't agree with the Leftists, so naturally they had to assume he was retarded.

Of course, BECAUSE the Left is SOOOOOO intellectually superior, I suppose they would find it child's play to show us evidence for the superior nature of their many positions without resorting to ad hominems, faked evidence, hyperbole, failure of distinctions, and equivocation.

SA makes a sweeping moral judgment and assertion of fact (mindnumbed drones) based on ANECDOTAL evidence from a handful of people HE knows. Pretty smart eh?
John | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 11:03 am | #

Site author...what a joke! LOL!
You said it best, Doctor...he/she is a perfect example of malignant narcissism, projection and paranoia.
The result of such blind, unreasoning hate and bitterness will be destruction.
The 'joy' this moron gets out of spewing vile insults at the courageous few, who protect his/her rights and freedom, will eat away at his/her soul, and what little psyche remains, until all that is left is a hollow shell, filled with nothing but death.
He/she will never know what true love, joy and peace is, if she/he doesn't change the attitude of hateful bile she/he is currently drowning in.
Pathetic.
Ben Conrad USN (RET) | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 11:17 am | #

S(h)ite Author,
"I'll remind you all that I've revealed nothing of my political views, I've just given what I think is a reasonable and pragmatic view of a type of person..."


Interesting rebuttal. Far more than you attempted to do in the previous thread. However, you can't honestly say that. A reminder for you and anybody else, you started your comments in the previous thread with this little 2-line gem:

"A spiritless 18 year old soldier also chimed in:

"MY LEGS!! THEY'RE GONE! AHHHGGGG!!"

End quote.

Mean spirited, cruel, and cutting, and certainly NOT a reasonable and pragmatic view.

You still aren't providing any cogent argument to back up what you state are facts, which is impossible since the stuff you are spewing is your obviously elitist beliefs about the military. Drones? hardly. Go read Michael Yon for a better view of what you so easily denigrate, Mr. Fu (I assume from your webpage link).
walkercolt | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 11:42 am | #

Hey Site,

So, military enlistees are third rate people? Tell that to my grandparents. They served in the Army and Navy in WWII. My grandpa later became a state employee with DWP. My grandmother (college educated) became a pediatric nurse. My uncles served in Vietnam, Army and Navy. One now works in Sacramento for the governor's office (college educated), the other is a heating/cooling technician (also college educated). My brother was in the Navy during the Cold War. He is now an attorney and Judge pro-tem (college educated, also has a genius level IQ). My cousin is Army MP, served in Iraq, and is now a CHP officer.

Better watch who you call third rate, cause those third rate folk help care for sick newborns, service your water and electric problems, affect state vehicle standards, keep your arse warm, preside over your legal cases, and ticket you on the freeway. Oh, and thanks to them, we still speak English in this country and are allowed to speak it so freely that ingrates like you can insult them and our government at will.

They served their country because they love it and they want it to remain as free tomorrow as it is today. You seem to think that we just get to live like we do, without having to fight those who would threaten our safety and our way of life. Well, freedom comes at a price and some people love it so much that they are willing to lay down and die to defend it. That is not a job for drones, it is a job for heroes. These men and women are first rate. God bless them.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 11:48 am | #

My question: how much longer until these petulant, intolerant children decide to resurrect anarchy in the name of overthrowing the United States government?
-- Eric in Hollywood

Especially since such petulant intolerant children (i.e. Our Enlightened Betters) define "anarchy" as "Spring Break That Never Ends -- I GET TO TO ANYTHING I WANNA! ANYTHING!"
Ken | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 12:31 pm | #

The other side of the coin is the left's obsession with abortion, which only serves to reduce their numbers.

Wall Street Journal pointed out this phenomenon years ago. They call it "The Roe Effect", and show from demographics that except for The Roe Effect, the 2000 & 2004 elections would have been solid Democrat majority in all the swing states.
Ken | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 12:34 pm | #

Doc, I thought you said sa had been warned about the language. How easily for him/her to TELL us enlists are third-rate human beings, upgraded from fourth or fifth ratings.

The long-winded diatribe just showed sa had no idea about our modern military (wrt the enlists and how the fighting is conducted). No proof to back up his/her claim "This is a fact."

Such monumental mental midget safely sits in front of a computer masterbating his/her intellectual "superiority".

/Shaking head
Always Right | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 1:34 pm | #

The logic behind my assertion about the quality of people who join the army, etc. is supported circularly and unaffected by the "modern military"--a term that merely implies the adapting of small minds to the weapons and procedures of the computer age. The circular logic being that if these were truly intelligent people, given to deep, nuanced thinking, too many philosophical contradictions and doubts would spring up for them to happily pursue their military careers.

The very fact that these people choose to surrender their individual identities to an organization of any kind,much less to something like, say, the Marines, which will target and physically punish those who do not share the group mind--attests to their inability to think and behave on their own terms. Their membership in the military attests to their imbecility.

The person who made the point that third rate people do any number of skilled jobs, from being nurses to, (naturally,) writing speeding tickets, has actually made my point. Maybe I exaggerated when I said "strictly physical labor" but on nothing else. You don't need any soaring IQ or interest in anything particularly intellectually challenging to specialize in practically anything. (You could even have a third rate person claiming to be a doctor.)

Isaac Newton wouldn't be able to tune up your car either, so what?

Regardless of anecdotal evidence, (mine or you people's,) the principle is sound. Worship of the military and the touting as heroes of people who are there because they either a) joined to get other benefits or b)joined for bumper sticker ideals, is still crap.

I also noticed that everyone shied away from my assertions about the painful idiocy of our president, and the bare fact that you people are simply at a pathetic loss when you can't think in terms of left wing/right wing.

PS Is the sad gimmick that you are a supposed to be a doctor, so you diagnose problems by projecting a specific political orientation onto everyone you don't, or can't, understand?

That is pretty much a textbook example of a fallacious ad hominem attack. Did you know this? Rather than take on any argument on its own merits, you attempt to dismiss them as quickly as possible by trying to illustrate that the ARGUER is flawed. Are you that ignorant that you've overlooked this glaring error in your whole premise "dr.Sanity"?
Site Author | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 6:10 pm | #

S(h)ite Author:

OK, pal, I've got a genius IQ. Math = 190 Verbal = 170. Good enough for you, pal?

And I assert that, frankly, you're full of shit. And at this point in life, I can't join the military...they don't take people in their sixties...but when I was younger I gave it a try via AFROTC.

Why did I try in spite of lousy eyesight? Because I had respect for the military - both officers and enlisted men - I met in my try. They struck me as decent, moral human beings with enough empathy to even understand assholes like.

It's idiots like you I have no sympathy for. You whine like a teenager that was not invited to the party, was ignored at the prom, and was always complaining that his paper was incorrectly marked. Never that the papers/answer was obviously wring, fellow student ignored him like the plague, and his personality was wet blanket.

Frankly, I don't know why we're bothering with you, except I hope you keep it up.

With a few more diatribes like your latest load of crap, G. W. Bush's rating will go through the roof.

Keep up the good work, fool. Your fanatical ignorance is doing The Lord Work.

Cheers.
Good Ole Charlie | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 9:20 pm | #

SA wrote:
The very fact that these people choose to surrender their individual identities to an organization of any kind,much less to something like, say, the Marines, which will target and physically punish those who do not share the group mind--attests to their inability to think and behave on their own terms. Their membership in the military attests to their imbecility.

Then wrote:
PS Is the sad gimmick that you are a supposed to be a doctor, so you diagnose problems by projecting a specific political orientation onto everyone you don't, or can't, understand?

Funny thing, you mentioning projecting things upon people you don't or can't understand...
Patrick Chester | Email | Homepage | 12.16.05 - 11:23 pm | #

Site Author,

I served in the military. I joined after a year of college. I have a little above average iq of 136 (not as smart as Good Ol Charlie, but I get by). I have a Bachelor's degree, will start a Master's program soon, and will teach at a junior college. I loved the cameraderie of the military, and now I work in federal law enforcement.

That makes your premise null and void. It also makes you an idiot.
ddennis | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 3:19 am | #

Anyone trying to advertise their IQ as proof of anything besides how they scored on an IQ test is not to be trusted, in my opinion. The proof is in the punch and I just don't see it, good ole charlie. If those are your actual numbers then either English is your second language, or you've sustained some kind of head injuries since you took the test. I've never been tested myself, but based on what I can discern of your thought processes as they relate to your test results, I guess I must have an IQ of six or seven hunded, at least in the verbal department.

Patrick Chester, the point you are trying to make is poorly realized. Tying together two vaguely related items and pretending you've caught me in some kind of hypocrisy is idiotic. I encourage you to go to Iraq.

IQ is okay, but it doesn't necessarily entail deep understanding or intellectual honesty, (and it probably even aids a certain type of person in avoiding these things.) Sorry I brought up IQ since you people are clearly confused as to the role it plays in a personality. IQ would be one factor among many that would make a person first, or even second rate. Jesus. Let go of the IQ thing, dopes. I'm talking about intellectual and moral fortitude HELPED ALONG by IQ.

And college degrees can be accumulated by any fool with the time and money to sit in enough classes, and the patience to jump through an infinite amount of hoops, ddennis. These are less of an indicator of a person's worth than IQ test results.

ddennis, if you read my part of this discussion, and then your description of yourself, you will see that you are an ironclad third, probably fourth rate individual. Congratulations! You have earned your credentials and clawed your way to the peak of mediocrity. Maybe you can get Good Ole Charlie to do your deep thinking for you, or better yet, Dr. Sanity.

I hope this whole thing is wrapping up, I'm getting bored with kicking you geniuses around.
Site Author | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 4:06 pm | #

That's okay.

I can always rise above mediocrity, but you're still be an idiot.
ddennis | Email | Homepage | 12.18.05 - 1:40 am | #

Excuse me,

YOU'LL still be an idiot.
ddennis | Email | Homepage | 12.18.05 - 1:41 am | #