I am glad somebody is revealing this Victimhood fraud for what it is. The hypocrisy of it enrages me so much that I have difficulty articulating my own disapprobation in a publicly coherent manner. My animus goes back a long way. Outrage at the Victimization of selected "protected" groups in the form of affirmative action, that is, quota systems, was the first blow to my juvenile 'liberal' partisan identification, for I could detect even then that it ran counter to the true, classical liberal tradition that respected primarily the rights of the individual. Many years passed before I began to understand the power-grabbing that it cloaks and before I realized that it is a moral as well as an intellectual failing.

I only hope that the country hasn't fallen so far into this pit that it cannot climb out, but thank you for making the effort to help the American citizenry understand what we have allowed the journalists, legislators, bureaucrats, judges, professors, and race-thugs--an unholy conspiracy all-- to impose upon us.
GB | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 9:48 am | #

LOL ! An excellent summation.
Jan | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:29 am | #

Wonderful! In yet another example of 'great minds think alike,' my AM post explains Zionism- and those who attempt- and need- to undermine that ideology, to support their own 'victimhood.'
sigmund, carl and alfred | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:45 am | #

In an ecosystem with an unguarded resource (in this case human compassion, and the tendancy to help and protect people who get run over by circumstances outside their control), it is only a matter of time until something develops to prey on it. Hence the professional "victim".

In response, we'll all have to become more discriminating in who we give our compassion to, and understanding of each other when we turn a cold shoulder to these new parasites.
Aaron | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:51 am | #

Excellent, Doc!
RS | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 11:19 am | #

"...many on the political left have an intense narcissistic need to see themselves as "champions of the oppressed", hence the constant need to find and maintain an oppressed class of people to champion." Dr.S.

I realized this 35 years ago, as well as the excessive need to "blame someone else", but didn't think Classical Liberalism would allow it to take over: the self-aggrandizing mindset and irrationality was too repugnant. Or so I wished.

Well, that's over. But I did enable the takeover by making compromises with Faux Liberal advances such as AA, which I thought was only going to be temporary as perhaps a minor "boost" to people excluded institutionally. Wrong, again.

[apologies to ARH for again refering to "self"]
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 11:57 am | #

the Palestinians are, without a doubt the Gold Medal Winner of our WorldWide Victimhood

And not the Jews? Becuase isn't Israels real crime in the eyes of liberals not being a victim?
FP | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 12:42 pm | #

The Jewish people certainly deserve a lifetime award for their perpetual refusal to be card-carrying victims. Despite overwhelming and continuous persecution throughout most of history, they continually pick themselves up and resume creating and contributing to all of humanity. Undoubtedly, this is is the very reason why so many pathetic second-handers hate them as a people.
Dr. Sanity | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 1:04 pm | #

Another group for automatic victimhood:

A parent of a child who was killed in an unpopular war (Cindy Sheehan)

It's only because I was raised properly and have a conscience that I don't have "Celebrate Victimhood" bumperstickers printed up and slap them on every car I see with an equally noxious left-wing sticker.
Jason | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 2:03 pm | #

Oooh, also whiny conservatives who continually whine that their voices aren't heard on the news! No, wait, wait, no, not that.
Adam Harris Berkowitz | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 2:17 pm | #

Jason, you misspelled. The bumper stickers ought to read "Celebrate Vyctymhood!"

Come on, here, let's be politically correct!
RS | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 2:17 pm | #

Dr. Sanity, your wordcraft is wonderful. It is also therapeutic. As I read your posting, I found my repressed anger at pretend victims turning into chuckles and smiles. Don't chuckles and smiles turn on the endorphins in our brains?

Thank you for keeping me healthy.
Gloria the Linguist | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 2:46 pm | #

crap, I'm a white male, hetrosexual, with one wife, no girlfriends, and did I mention I'm Jewish.
I'm screwed.
Marvin | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 3:02 pm | #

"crap, I'm a white male, hetrosexual, with one wife, no girlfriends, and did I mention I'm Jewish.
I'm screwed."

Wait ... you didn't mention conservative or republican! There still may be a "victim" slot open for you somewhere! Keep hope alive!
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 3:13 pm | #

Wow, you know how to put in words what we all feel!

But you could not resist. You had to put the disclaimer in!
Liberalism is a real wiches brew. Narcisists enabling the "victims".
A true perfect storm.

Aaron, you are right on. Human compassion is truly an "unguarded resource", especially when that compassion is married to a deep sense of guilt, it becomes ripe for the plucking.

America is being plucked right now!
Wr_guy | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 3:28 pm | #

This is fantastic. I've never heard it put so well...
The Stout Republican | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 3:44 pm | #

Victimhood is automatically conferred if you are a member of one or more of the following groups:

- An underrepresented race (whoever is in the minority--the majority are barred from victimhood)

Ooooh. So in 5-10 years, when the largest ethnic group in the U.S. is illegal Mexicans, the rest of us can claim victimhood and stop pandering! YESSS!
Radish | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 3:45 pm | #

It occurs to me that as a member of the oppressor class, that my "donations" to minority strippers can now be seen as charity, and as such written off on my taxes.
Defense Guy | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 3:57 pm | #

"Oooh, also whiny conservatives who continually whine that their voices aren't heard on the news! No, wait, wait, no, not that."
Adam Harris Berkowitz

Nice projection, Berkowitz.

Btw, this meme is the lastest of Faux Liberal flotsam I'm seeing around, intended....for what? As usual, we can only wonder what goes on in what Faux Liberals call their mind, compared to the rational one, and construct it for them by a rational process, such as Dr. S.'s.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 4:04 pm | #

I note Dr. Sanity must have read some Ayn Rand.

I wonder if I'm an oppressor or a victim?

I'm a white male heterosexual who was born with a double cleft palate, severe asthma and whose parents divorced while I was a teenager.

I'm really confused. Should I keep my well paying job, or, try and soak someone else for the lifestyle I'd prefer?
Blake | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 4:39 pm | #

Berkowitz

WE aren't "whining" because our voices "aren't being heard." And we don't want any compensation for any imagined harm. We don't want any free rides.

What we do want is for people to realize that deceptive weasels like the leftist MSM (and you) can't be trusted. You will stab anyone in the back when it suits your agenda. You have no real friends, only tools to be used, then disposed of when they are no longer useful.

And, Berkowitless, the more you clowns sound off with such childish nonsense, the more obvious that becomes.

So, thanks, dud.
ytba | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 4:49 pm | #

Yes, Berkowitz, the victim-oppressor-savior schema is obviously *your* game, not ours.

As such, the terms have become meaningless, since they are arbitrary to the point of being universally applicable: they can be used to either tar or sanctify whomever those who adhere to this word-game ploy want to, and in complete disregard for any valid application of the words as they originally meant.

This being the case, and since you seem to think the term victim can now even be applied to those who don't even want the status, why don't you spread the word - that the schema is now useless in any ethical sense.

Please focus upon the Faux Liberal Cult, since this is where the problem lives.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 5:13 pm | #

If challenged by Audrey Hudson at the Washington Times, you can claim extra, extra, double-secret probation victimhood.
Scoop | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 5:18 pm | #

In the quasi-religious cult of victimhood that is part of today's leftist dogma, "victimhood" has been identified as the key quality deserving of attention and pity.

Well that is certainly one of the stupidest sentences ever written on the internets.

Sorry if that oppresses you...
tbogg | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 5:47 pm | #

"Well that is certainly one of the stupidest sentences ever written on the internets."

Perhaps if you understood the sentence it would be clearer for you. What victim class do you hail from?

Oh, only one "internet" by the way.
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 5:54 pm | #

Did Arafat victimize gullible and emotional Palestinians by enriching himself instead of using his billions to help create wealth for them which would have made them more competitive with the Jews?

Are illegal aliens who rise up en masse to counter “victimization” actually victimizing legal Americans?

Victimhood is such a complicated topic that I try to simplify it by determining if a particular “victimhood” ultimately adds or subtracts benefit to a particular society as a whole.

Maybe one of you wingnuts have got something better?
americafirst | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 6:26 pm | #

Palestinians have invented the refugee gene. They are the only people on the planet who get to be refugees because their great granddad was.
The Atheist Jew | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 7:01 pm | #

"Palestinians have invented the refugee gene. They are the only people on the planet who get to be refugees because their great granddad was."

Maybe they can cure it with stem cell therapy.
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 7:20 pm | #

Great job Dr. Sanity. I believe this post will become required reading for those of us trying to bring some sense back to our country and the world.
John D Infidel | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 7:28 pm | #

Democrats routinely recruit "victims" to serve as mouthpieces. Some are willing victims (think John Kerry with his three Purple Hearts - yeah, right), and others are the classic useful idiots (think Cindy Sheehan). Regardless, all are valued for their role as human shields for those pushing a morally and intellectually weak agenda. If a victim is challenged or criticized, then "meanness' is alleged.

The victim card is meant to suppress debate. It combines intimidation and cowardice in one elegant package.
GnuCarSmell | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 8:54 pm | #

Guess what! This post just got mentioned on LGF!
RS | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 9:15 pm | #

"Well that is certainly one of the stupidest sentences ever written on the internets."

This is another Flib. meme I've noticed recently on the nets - and it works so well. 'Must have been tried out on Flib. focus groups.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:04 pm | #

"Democrats routinely recruit "victims" to serve as mouthpieces."
GnuCarSmell

Yeah, and they also like to find one individual who is put forth as paradigmatic of the "victim" class when s/he is actually the exception to the rule, or even not a victim at all.

Remember Gore's poor 79 y/o can lady in 2000, scraping around valiantly to feed herself and pay for her meds.? Turned out she had a union retirement pension, a millionaire son she refused help from, and she just liked picking up cans.

FBA, uranus.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:27 pm | #

I claim majority victimhood- We in the majority are victims of the minority taking away our majority rule and rights. http://sacredscoop.com
SacredScoop | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:30 pm | #

I love it when conservative psychiatrist show up on the scene to let us know that only Israelis holocaust is victimhood. Well thats good. I am in conservative land, usually you call them losers for making an uprising happen in Auschwitz. So I am happy that at least Israel isn't a bunch of losers. For some odd reason I am not convinced. Conservatives who fight against the evil sins of homosexuality, and the horrors of abortion are not moved with compassion for the sexual abuse victim. Sexual abuse is "victimhood". Or its "hurt" with makes it look the person who was abused is being weak and selfish, or its "something distasteful". Oh well, I am still a liberal feminist who will fight for accountability in every situation. Its better to make sure men can go to jail for 15 years for rape. It just like taking the time to go get a CCW. It just different philosphies you see. You fight to see the "sin" of homosexuality end. You fight for "justice" for the unborn. Even though it oppresses noone. Of course your natural disdain for women, leads you to be dismissive of sexual abuse, rape, and violence against women internationally. And of course, to conservatives, women should except rape with a smile and good cheer. Shit happens right ?

I just want to remind you, conservatives fight for people. Conservatives do believe in certain kinds of justice, its just that conservatives indulge in their women hating fetish, which usually leads them to demonize and blame the victim, instead of fight the oppressor. And conservatives do fight what they perceive as oppression. They don't expect the unborn to fight back so they fight for them. And conservatives might dedicate their whole life to fighting for the unborn, remember ? So why is this seen as a problem in your blog ? Just as the sexual abuse cases coming out of Missouri show, I know that most women who get raped and abused can't fight back, but instead their lives are ruined by vile forms of sodomy and barbarism, usually imposed by men. And of course for conservatives heterosexual men never SIN. Only homos. So they never CORRECT men for raping children, and women, you know sin. They don't hold MEN accountable for their sinful dirty swine behavior, and how it screws up other people. Never a social movement like the abortion one to end victimization, so they don't have to hear about it again. They say, I don't apologize. I don't understand you and you don't understand me. The people who spend their lives fighting for other people outside the womb are my heros and heroines. I am a liberal feminist. Oh well nice stopping by. ioobianwu@yahoo.com
ify | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:32 pm | #

...I get the feeling "ify" doesn't understand herself.
Patrick Chester | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 10:59 pm | #

Curiously, ify does not mention the Religion of Islamofascism. I just can't imagine why not.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.14.06 - 11:15 pm | #

ify - That was a powerful rebuttal to conservatism. Your impeccably reasoned manifesto has certainly changed my life forever.
GnuCarSmell | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 12:00 am | #

Bill Clinton was our first black lesbian president* and therefore his critics are all evil and cruel.

_________________________________

*Because the meanings of words are Socially Constructed, attacks on the Truthiness of this narrative represent the exploitation of power imbalance by the white mail heterosexual oppressor class.



this narrative cannot be disproven.
Alan Furman | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 12:26 am | #

Bill Clinton was our first black lesbian president* and therefore his critics are all evil and cruel.

_________________________________

*Because the meanings of words are Socially Constructed, attacks on the Truthiness of this narrative represent the exploitation of power imbalance by the white mail heterosexual oppressor class.
Alan Furman | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 12:27 am | #

"this narrative cannot be disproven."
Alan Furman

Except that those in power can't lose, by the narrative's own definition. So the oppressors can "disprove" the statement and the narrative's argument simply by saying they are both false, showing their power to deny the assertion that they have unassailable power. Which makes their denial also true.

If the meanings of words are "socially constructed" by the omnipotent, enslaving overclass, how can the underclass say anything to begin with which contradicts what the overclass says? It ain't possible.

Those postulating the victim-oppressor schema fail to explain how the enslaved, impotent victims could ever overthrow the evil, omnipotent oppressor. That's why Marx conjured up his Communist Saviors. They magically escaped the oppressor-victim schema, and "class warfare".

How convenient.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 4:27 am | #

ify: "I am a liberal feminist. Oh well nice stopping by."

Thanks for coming by. Always nice to hear a completely irrational point of view once in a while. Puts things into perspective.
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 9:09 am | #

"Women are habitually raped in Cuban prisons."

...crickets chirp...feminist progressives reach for giant hook to yank me off stage...

"Viva Castro! Viva the Cuban Revolution!!!"

MASSIVE APPLAUSE!! FEMINISTS GO WILD WITH JOY!
T | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 9:15 am | #

"This being the case, and since you seem to think the term victim can now even be applied to those who don't even want the status,..." -- J. Peden | 12.14.06 - 5:13 pm |

Yes, like "ify" saying "I love it when conservative psychiatrist show up on the scene to let us know that only Israelis holocaust is victimhood."

Well, guess what, blondie, Jews have moved on. We don't need, or want, vicitmhood status. The main reason to remember the Holocaust is so that IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN! ...not just to Jews, but to anyone!

Unfortunately, as anyone following history knows, the world is having more than a little trouble learning that lesson, as are you.
ytba | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 11:17 am | #

Somehow Feminazis seem to keep getting oppressed by their own choice to possibly have a baby, which is what resulted in their ultimate "oppression" right from the start, their own birth and existence.

Marx didn't like himself, either. But, Oh how holy became his self-loathing. Which brings up the Religion of Islamofascism....
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 11:32 am | #

here's a lovely obituary for a victim
http:// www.jewishworldreview.com...2004_03_23.php3
ytba | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 11:34 am | #

There is also no such thing as judging a card carrying victim's character. You are by default judging his afflicted status and should be ashamed of yourself.
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 11:38 am | #

Here's a little something on the folks who feel the same way "ify" does about the Holocaust by one of my favorite authors.
http://jewishworldreview.com/ 120...lick121506.php3
ytba | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 11:43 am | #

Regarding my last post, this is quite relevant to the Dr's article, and in light of her revalations, we can better understand what Ahmadinajad is doing, as Ms. Glick tells us...

"So why is the guy who is gunning for a new Holocaust belittling the last one?

First of all, by doing so he empowers those Germans and friends of Germany who carried it out. By denying the Holocaust Ahmadinejad turns the Nazis into victims ..."
ytba | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 11:46 am | #

This thread reminds me of the Eagles' song, "Get Over It," which succinctly and eloquently expresses the frustrations a lot of people feel when it comes to "professional victims."

"Complain about the present and blame it on the past/I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass/Get over it."
Pam | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 12:30 pm | #

I love how ify claims its conservatives who don't care about sexual abuse when it's liberal judges that keep letting the abusers off with just a slap of the hand, if that.
Gianni | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 12:45 pm | #

ytba, I think the Nazis were afraid that the Jews were inherently superior.

Now Allah orders Islamofascists to kill all Infidels.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 1:31 pm | #

I just came across this, and I'm posting it because it relates to what I said above to "ify" en my post


"Holocaust Denial is Just a First Step -- IRAN'S OBSCENITY" by Arye Mekel, Israel's consul general in New York.

"I fear for the world if we allow the Holocaust to be denied.

First and foremost, of course, I fear for myself, my family and my people. But the Holocaust went beyond the murder of 6 million Jews - the camps took as many as 11 million lives in total; the Second World War killed more than 50 million others.

So I hope that we have learned the lessons of dealing with radical governments. I hope that the world understands the true threat of Holocaust denial.
http://the-muslim-question.blogs...first- step.html

It's not just about Jews. When they teach their children, "First the Saturday People, then the Sunday People," ...they don't mean to exclude working on both simultaneously.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archiv...ives/ 007975.php
http://www.classicalvalues.com/a...ves/ 003206.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...s/1744102/ posts
ytba | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 1:45 pm | #

"ytba, I think the Nazis were afraid that the Jews were inherently superior." -- J. Peden | 12.15.06 - 1:31 pm

I don't think so, J.P.,

"Amin el Husseini and Himmler did not distinguish in the slightest detail between Jews and Serbs in the Holocaust of the Balkans.

What do I mean 'did not distinguish'. I mean that the Croatian and Bosnian Islamist Fascists killed hundreds of thousands of Serbs, and a lesser number of Jews, in the Balkans in ways that surpassed the barbarity of the Nazis of Germany. In fact it set the stage for the Nazi slaughter."
http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/20...le-must-answer/

If it was just the Jews who were the problem, why kill all those other people? They just played the race card they thought would get them going, then used the momentum to wreak their havoc on everyone else.
ytba | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 2:01 pm | #

"You fight for "justice" for the unborn. Even though it oppresses noone."

Yep, aborted children are never oppressed, they're just killed! Nothing oppressive about that, it there?

"The people who spend their lives fighting for other people outside the womb are my heros and heroines."

Apparently, those that reside within your womb, or the wombs of others, are not subject to the same consideration as those whom have been born Doesn't that make the unborn victims as well? Will you stand up for their rights? Will they ever be heroes and heroines to you? Somehow, I doubt that very much.

The greatest sin of all is to ignore the suffering of those that suffer in silence, namely the unborn.
Ray | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 3:32 pm | #

Other individuals or groups may petition for Victimhood if they meet the following criteria:

-You use drugs or alcohol but get into treatment after you get in trouble

- You find God after you get in trouble

If you are addicted to ANYTHING, you are likely to be a victim!

-Careful there, N'Sanity, that hits a little close to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave...
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 3:44 pm | #

"In the quasi-religious cult of victimhood that is part of today's leftist dogma, "victimhood" has been identified as the key quality deserving of attention and pity. This is in part because many on the political left have an intense narcissistic need to see themselves as "champions of the oppressed", hence the constant need to find and maintain an oppressed class of people to champion."

Thank you Dr. S, now I understand why Gore is championing the global warming movement. Everyone in the world becomes a victim!
johnnyred | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 5:28 pm | #

"Careful there, N'Sanity, that hits a little close to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..."

You forgot that afflictions such as alcoholism or drug addicition are merely prerequisites for Victimhood Status. To attain full status, one must proclaim that everything that has gone wrong in their life is the fault of their "condition", not thier actions. They happily cast any blame aside because their "affliction" made them do it.

"Victims" who embrace their status are usually quite happy due to the fact they have been relieved of any personal responsibility ... for anything.
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 5:58 pm | #

Your topic violently offends me. Sadly I am a White Military Conservative Republican with Christian values.....:-P
Sparkplugg | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 6:44 pm | #

Dr. Sanity,

Thank you so much for your efficacious work. You are a demagogue (not necessarily bad, so was Christ, but so was Hitler). Mostly, however, you are a half-wit, foam-spitting witless pig-headed bigot who, like Adolf H., uses a convenient medium to get off his rocks instead of finding a nice quiet place to jack off to Internet porn.

Note that I have no particular love for any convenient philosophy that ends in "-ism". As for overly enthusiastic, violent, mentally & morally challenged liberals and conservatives, my only real question is this:

Heads or tails?

That is to say, "Who called the toss correctly? I need to know who goes up against the wall first this week."

Doctor, The only way you could possibly add to the world is by subtracting yourself from it.

Thugs and bullies on all points of the political arc deserve a bullet in the head. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Delete yourself & improve the world.

This is not a threat. I don't do that sort of thing. It's a character flaw, I think.

It's not a threat. It's a mandate. Left & Right, say goodnight.

The rest of us could use some decent sleep.
Graham Strouse | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 7:17 pm | #

This is to inform everyone that hell hath frozen over. Yes, we are defending Rosie O'Donnell. Namely, her right to be an idiot and demonstrate it daily through her words and behavior.

Why?

Because if we don't, the grievance industry will have another success story for victimhood. And people like the preceding commentor will feel as though only they have the right to be heard while the rest of us remain silent. Rather, "politically correct"...
California Conservative | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 8:12 pm | #

Graham - the only way you could add to this blog is by deleting yourself from it. Get lost and take your hatred with you. Talk about vile.
LLB | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 8:13 pm | #

Notice how the Asians arent such a welcomed minority in the Leftdom world? Just on the surface you would think they'd make a great victimized sect. But theres one major problem with Asians. They have an actual work ethic. How dare they come to this land of stifling economic oppression with 400 dollars in their pocket and own 3 businesses in 10 years!

It flys in the face of the leftist template for minorities to follow. They keep this up and they will be as hated as Jews and Caucasions.
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 8:20 pm | #

"They keep this up and they will be as hated as Jews and Caucasions."

They already are. I bet Graham would like them to delete themselves from the world as well.

I have to say, someone who says:

"Thugs and bullies on all points of the political arc deserve a bullet in the head. Nothing more. Nothing less."

is probably the epitome of everything he hates. Right Graham?
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.15.06 - 9:01 pm | #

God, what a rant. I am so glad you are not the shrink for anyone I know or for myself. Methinks you have a bit of anger that may need some managing by a professional - without a political agenda.
Terri K | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 5:18 am | #

Nothing wrong with having a political agenda on a blog about politics last time i checked. From time to time you even expose the irrational opposition by getting them to be personally critical without any attempt to argue the ideas put forth.
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 7:02 am | #

An excellent post on the Professional Victim.

As you say though in your closing paragraphs, the genuine "amateur" article exists. Both individuals, and rarely these days, groups.

I'd be most interested in your reaction to the thread at
http://forum.darwincentral.org/v...opic.php? t=1532

All the best, Zoe
Zoe Brain | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 10:23 am | #

"God, what a rant. I am so glad you are not the shrink for anyone I know or for myself."
Terri K

That's obvious.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 11:32 am | #

ify said "I am still a liberal feminist who will fight for accountability in every situation. Its better to make sure men can go to jail for 15 years for rape."

Please tell me, ify, what was your opinion of Bill Clinton when he was sexually abusing a number of women? All of the left-wing organizations that purported to "protect women's rights" were strangely silent on that matter. If a Republican president had done something like Clinton did, NOW would have been totally berserk! Just goes to show the left-wing hypocrisy once again. That's also why I call NOW "Not NOW" instead.
Garry K | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 1:50 pm | #

You apologize to people who are legitimate victims, but apparently exclude from this list anybody who has a different political opinion from you. What is so weak and unamerican about acknowledging other people's pain? How about Iraqi gays who are being slaughtered at Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani's bidding, but ignored by the U.S. military when they seek help? Is victimhood only legitimate when it is conservatively correct?
Matt Phillips | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 3:32 pm | #

"How about Iraqi gays who are being slaughtered at Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani's bidding, but ignored by the U.S. military when they seek help? Is victimhood only legitimate when it is conservatively correct?"

It would be intersting to see a link for that. It would also be interesting to hear why that hasn't been shouted from the rooftops by the MSM and every gay and feminist group out there. Personally I've never heard of that happening. I can also tell you, as a former military member that no one would ever turn someone away asking for help. Please post a link.
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 4:17 pm | #

Mr Strouse: After reading the drivel your rather inane and infantile remarks (the use of ad hominems in place of reasoned argument is a dead giveaway to limited intellectual capacity), might I suggest once more that you contact your mental health facility.

If you won't do it for yourself, do it for your family. You owe it to them, for what you have clearly put them through, over the years.

Don't you think they have suffered enough?
sigmund, carl and alfred | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 5:57 pm | #

We all are susceptible to becoming victims as soon as we come out of the womb (even before maybe if yo mama stayed drunk). The issue for me is people who use the experience to demand a type of FORCED societal retribution. People who use the issue to project blame onto those not responsible.

If your parents sucked at being nurturing parents, guess what, it was their fault. If you perpetuate their behavior after you reach adulthood, its your fault.

All this projection of problems onto society taken to its obvious conclusion means we all declare ourselves victims. If every person in the world is a victim, who exactly do we blame and who writes the check to us?
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 6:30 pm | #

Your wish is my command, Darwin -
http://direland.typepad.com/ dire...death_squa.html

This is a source with a point of view, certainly, and one that differs from Dr. Sanity, but it seems to be an informed one.

I fault not our soldiers so much as the institutionalized bigotry against gays imposed by people above their paygrade. I am also a vet (being kicked out for being gay - Boo Hoo! I' a victim too!), and I thank Darwin for his service.
Matt Phillips | Email | Homepage | 12.16.06 - 11:50 pm | #

“We desperately need protection!” pleaded Tahseen. “But, when we go to the Americans, they laugh at us and don’t do anything. The Americans are the problem!”

This was the only reference to "Americans" in the article. Not quite the smoking gun. Seeing as you were in the military, do you honestly believe the military would just "laugh" at these people if they were asking for help?
darwin | Email | Homepage | 12.17.06 - 9:18 am | #

I wonder why straight, evangelical republicans arent included in gay rights parades? Could it be institutionalised gay bigotry that projects fear and segregation onto the hetero public whose only crime is being born that way?
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 12.17.06 - 11:31 am | #

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ciscoblog25 | Email | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 3:59 am | #

"So why is the guy who is gunning for a new Holocaust belittling the last one?

First of all, by doing so he empowers those Germans and friends of Germany who carried it out. By denying the Holocaust Ahmadinejad turns the Nazis into victims."

ytba is exactly right but has missed a vital step in closing the circle.

By turning the Nazis into victims,it follows that of course the victimisers and oppressors of the Nazis (and ALL humanity) are the Jews … which justifies why they should be wiped out!.
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Jeff Swan | Email | Homepage | 03.23.07 - 3:58 am | #

The postmodern self-styled Marxists see "victimhood" quite differently than the traditional Marxists. In the postmodern version, there is a tendency for much whining is based on some very shallow fluff. The traditional Marxists on the other have a pretty straightforward analysis of power. While I don't understand the subtleties of Marxist doctrine, an analysis of inherent class interests seems much more plausible than the current victimhood of the right that constantly sees the US and the extremely wealthy class as victims of just about everything.
Karlo | Email | Homepage | 05.15.08 - 6:37 pm | #