I don't know what scares me more: The thought that truly evil people like Bill Ayers would control Obama, or the thought that evil people like Bill Ayers only think they control Obama?
R S | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 8:06 am | #

It has been the dream of all totalitarians (see, e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Mao) to get children indoctrinated at an early age into the dictator's respective pathologies. The efforts of our "educators" to indoctrinate children is nothing new.
snoring citizen | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 8:31 am | #

R S,
I had a similar thought yesterday. I was thinking of Madeline Albright's insistence that we could have contained Saddam. She obviously was patting herself on the back for her superior ability to influence events. I think she and her 300 co-advisors to Obama think they will be able to teach him how the world works and which courses our coutry needs to follow. But what if he is just playing them all along? We have no idea who will be tossed under the bus come Jan 21.
expat | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 8:48 am | #

Anyone notice what those kids were chanting when they walked in? Alpha ... Omega. The first and the last, a direct reference to biblical scripture when the Lord say "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last".
darwin | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 9:13 am | #

Back to the school indoctrination curriculum: you remembered a while ago U of Delaware had freshman indoctrination 'course' on the proper 'thoughts' that was a huge embarrassment for the school?

When it was under the spotlight, university board of directors and president suspended the course ('under review'). When the media spotlight died down, the school went back to its old ways of indoctrinating its pupils. Apparently after its review, the board finds it in compliance with the educational goals.

We've had UofD students stuffing flyers in our mailbox, in one instance going door-to-door on environmental issue (in fact misleading facts about safe disposal on one of the inactivated nerve gas agents waste). When my spouse corrected the young woman on the real facts (I worked for the company in question), she was visibly upset and came back to the house after 9:30 pm, hitting the doorbell nonstop. When we didn't answer the door (I was about to call police), she banged loudly on the door a while then tape a propaganda piece full of outright lies to our door.

Every time I see a U of Delaware sticker on cars, I immediately attached a "Well Indoctrinated" sticker right beside it. There you go, these are the more 'enthusiastic youths' our higher education system churn out each year.
always right | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 9:14 am | #

Mark Rudd has also been teaching, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, at CNM (formerly TVI). Haven't others from these groups gone into education? Isn't that part of their plan?

So, what's new? Don't all true believers do the same? Eric Hoffer had their game down pat!

Remember the magician who stood before the young kids with the black box? He said for his subject not to put his hand in the box, there was danger inside.

Of course, the kid just had to place his hand inside the box, right?

So it is with this election. It's the struggle among body, mind and soul. Which one will come out on top?

Balance is tough to achieve, and for some harder still to comprehend.
RJ | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 9:17 am | #

Some people have assumed that the U.S. is immune from the mistakes other nations have made in allowing themselves to be seduced by dictators. Current events indicate that may not be the case.
snoring citizen | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 9:26 am | #

I just read the last link about Venezuela creating a "new man." USSR had a nice go at this, after 70 years of such indoctrination, they produced a nation of whores and alcoholics. I guess now Venezuela wants to enter the prostitution bussiness. Consider this legacy, when you see American schools trying to create a new collective.
vinny | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 9:31 am | #

Since all this is going on right now, how is McCain going to be able to make a difference? He can't even cut through the flood of lies from the Democrats. Let alone project the reality we are currently living with any clarity. He will go along to get along just like the rest of the Republicans have for two decades.

Oh, there was that one shining moment with the Contract With America in 1994 but that soon fizzled out. The Republicans didn't have the depth of intellect or character to make it happen.

Its both too late and too early for political action. Its the fundamental ideas that are going to have to be changed. It took the libs 200 years to do it. I understand that we don't have that much time but that is what its going to take.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 9:54 am | #

Today's kids are taught "self-esteem" and concern for "feelings" rather than facts, thought, and logic. If this teaching developes into character traits, they likely will be willing followers for charismatic leaders.
snoring citizen | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 11:27 am | #

I've sent my children to private parochial schools for over ten years. What's fascinating to me is that the level of political, and indeed religious indoctrination is substantially less than it is the public schools. We are of a different denomination than the schools our children attend, yet there seems to be greater respect for their views, where different, and an encouragement to express and defend those views without fear of recrimination. It's stories like these, i.e. the Obama Youth, which only reaffirm the decision I made a long time ago.
R. Sherman | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 11:27 am | #

"Fichte was instrumental in creating the "climate of collectivism" in philosophy (as Stephen Hicks has referred to it) that prevailed in Germany during the late 18th and throughout the 19th century." -- Doc

And we all know how THAT turned out.

ASIDE - It's sadly amusing to read what the Arational Homunculus, a model product of those indoctrination centers, (hatred of G-d, inability to think rationally/critically, and no intellectual honesty whatever), has to contribute on this. "The Republicans didn't have the depth of intellect or character to make it happen." Yeah, who were Reagan and Buckley and now Limbaugh compared to the powerhouse that is you, eh?
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 11:32 am | #

yonason,

Compare those intellectual light weights to our founding fathers. Its as a candle to a search light. Agreed, compared to the output from our public so called education system, they are giants but they are buzzing gnats compared to what we need.

The three you pick are largely right but they don't know why (Buckley being the worst of the bunch). Our founding fathers were right and they knew why. That's why they could stick to it and make it happen. The Republicans don't and that's why they can't stick to it or make it happen.

You simply can't do it on emotion, tradition, and a sort of OK sense of life alone. The most you can accomplish is move the furniture about in the room. Maybe you can even clean the drapes but not much else. Especially when you hold that the moral ideal is sacrifice for other.

You lose because you accept the self same fundamental morality as your enemy. Its a fundamental that forces you to compromise everything that you hold dear. You go along to get along when it really is important to stand your ground. When you have accepted that the good is the non-good for you, you will lose in the long run. Review the past eight years for MASSIVE evidence for what I say.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 12:05 pm | #

So -- ARH -- is that why you recently posted a rant condemning other people to hell?

But wait, er, um, if belief in a Judeo-Christian GOD is, according to you, "irrational" then how much more irrational is your reference to the Hell that was created by that same God?

Before you go back to that tired old same old defense that you were simply condemning others to hell as some sort of imaginary concept or the like, take a few minutes, stop and consider the irrationality of the defense this time.

And know that you exploit the same tired old defenses that the Left does -- the ad hominem attack.

That's not rational.


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The Machine | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 12:20 pm | #

And the public reaction to all this, Doc?

YAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN...
"OOO! LOOK! IT'S PARIS HILTON!!!!!"
Headless Unicorn Guy | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 1:04 pm | #

"Buckley being the worst of the bunch" -- Arational Homunculus

You really are clueless, aren't you?

D'oh! Look who I'm asking!

Paris Hilton???? Where????
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 1:37 pm | #

In Toronto, a kindergarten teacher with 7 years experience is salaried at over $70,000.00 per year. The Ontario teachers pension plan is said to have more in assets than the Canadian pension plan. The Ontario Federation of Teachers is the majority shareholder of the Toronto Blue Jays. Now the Jays generally suck, but they are an asset worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

America is in all ways a few short years behind Canada on the path to feel good fascism.

Schools are at best the School industry. At worst, they are the indoctrination camps of the metrosexualized storm troopers of the coming tragedy.

Similiarily, there is no real justice system, there is rather a court industry, where the cops, the prosecutors and especially the judges treat the citizenry with contempt, and hold them in unmitigated disdain. Any justice dispensed is incidental and accidental.

Raised Orthodox Jew, I say thank Christ for the teachings of the Church, and the survival of the wisdom and virtues of the New Testament.
earl west | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 2:03 pm | #

It's a real problem for parents of contemporary teens. We need to explain to them that in many ways their teachers are FOS, but on the other hand we also want them to be good students, do their work and get good grades, especially in the hard sciences that they will need for their future.

We need to be careful. Telling your kids that they are being indoctrinated at school is an easy excuse for them to use when they come home with crappy grades.

My HS age son is an Army and CAP cadet extraordinare who takes exception to much of what he is taught at school. I try to impress upon him that even though it is BS he still needs to go through the motions if for nothing else to prove that a clean shaven "locked up" Cadet is better than the cry baby liberals who are tyring to indoctrinate him.

It is a very fine line, especially for a teen who will use any excuse to avoid school work.
Wr_guy | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 2:27 pm | #

I would think that close association with Ayers and Alaskan secessionists would have made the Obama and Palin camps two of the most closely watched by the DHS and its predecessor organizations. Yet here they are.
americafirst | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 2:28 pm | #

Nobodys held accountable in k-12 public schools because for an ever increasing number its either free or percieved as free.

Little league coaches are more evaluated and scrutinised BECAUSE PARENTS HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

This same concept probably explains the disregard an increasing number of Americans have for their own country. They have no vested interest in it.
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 2:29 pm | #

earl west, thank you for an eloquently written truth. The stock market crash in America may diminish the hold unions have on money and influence. In America, we must force Congress to pass laws undoing their evil Marxist plans, yet I doubt the will of the people to do so, since so many voters now get government checks. The Republic is in dire peril.
twolaneflash | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 2:34 pm | #

What IS he smoking?

"You lose because...." -- Arational Homunculus

Yes, why do you think I have lost?

"....you accept the self same fundamental morality as your enemy."

Talk about "word salad." Care to translate that into something resembling English?

On second thought, don't bother. It would make even less sense.

(I infer from that, though, that there is some alternative "morality" that isn't my enemy's, which ArH fails to specify, but which he thinks it's important that I have? Well, that is ArH for ya, long on vague generalities, short on specifics and totally out to lunch when it come to facts.)

"Its a fundamental that forces you to compromise everything that you hold dear."

Naturally I wouldn't want to do that. So, what should I do, oh swamy?

"You go along to get along when it really is important to stand your ground."

Well, "the answer, my friend, IS blowing in the wind," after all, so perhaps if I only let go and allow it to take me away, then I guess I would REALLY be "standing" still ...relative to you, that is? Oh the places we could go, the people we could meet, the fun we could have...together? Oh well, I guess every silver cloud must have it's dark lining.

"When you have accepted that the good is the non-good for you, you will lose in the long run."

Oh, I see, we can sum it all up as... if I believe that "good = bad" I will have lost? But above you said that my "morality" (which I call "good") is the same as my "enemy's" which I call "bad," so that according to you my "good" is really "bad," and THAT is why I "lose." Yet, if that were correct, it would mean I have to realize that such a "good" is really "bad" and change accordingly, except that here you tell me that if I do change, I will lose? Yeah, that makes sense. All along the answer has been as clear as mud. What - a - fool - I - have - been. Where - is - the - con - fession - I - am - ready - to - sign - it - now.

Let's review...

__ good = bad, so don't be good because you lose
__BUT, don't not be good either, because then you also lose
__so if you don't want to lose, you better not be not good even though it's bad, because it is the same as good, so it's really OK
__except that also makes you a loser, so give up because resistance is futile
__and stand your ground by going with the flow

got it!

They could sure use your abilities over at TPN. Why deprive them of such a powerful intellect? You can't be that selfish, can you? Oh, and don't worrry about us, we'll manage without you, ...somehow. Sigh!

(Alternatively, have you considered a career in the fortune cookie industry?)
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 3:27 pm | #

The Machine,

I suspect we have differing understandings of "rational".

As near as I can tell, you think to be rational is to be without emotion and never express an emotion if you happen to have one. Such is not the case. One can be rational, have emotion, and express that emotion strongly. The emotion can have a rational bases of a thought out and validated set of values.

Because the people in question actually violated some of my highest and most carefully considered values (freedom and liberty) I, of necessity had a strong emotion related to that violation. My "go to hell" sentiment was simply a strong expression of that feeling. Or, if you prefer, as Samuel Clemens once said during Chicago's stock yard days: "Don't tell people to go to hell. Tell them to go to Chicago. Its just as bad and twice as expensive."

To be rational is to have one's thinking tightly connected to reality and logically consistent. Part of that reality is that one will have an emotional reaction to a violation of one's values. While one's emotions are a-rational, they can be founded upon rational values and be that much more powerful as a consequence.

PS: Check the meaning of ad hominem. My attack was not that they are bad people and therefor their ideas are wrong (ad hominem argument). It was their ideas are wrong and have demonstrated no effort to correct them no matter how much evidence is presented. They therefor are bad people. This is NOT an ad hominem argument.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 3:52 pm | #

yonason,

All I can say in response is check your premises. End of conversation.

PS: Yes I am THAT selfish.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 3:56 pm | #

My daughter is a high school senior and she has been complaining about the left-wing ideology being taught there since freshman year. Check out their textbooks. Most of them are littered with left wing garbage being taught as FACTS. And when she complains, she gets told that she is a spoiled, privileged white girl as if that is a valid reason why they are being presented a one sided agenda in a public school.

She even has teachers who blatantly hang OBAMA posters and whatnot in their classroom and no one says a thing! It's INSANITY.
Kathy | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 4:24 pm | #

"All I can say in response is check your premises." -- ArH

The fact that you always arrogantly refuse to clarify what you mean about anything is proof enough that you have no consideration for your readers.

And, I think I made it clear enough who's premises need to be checked.

Typical Lefty, their egos are too big to do any work themselves, so they always try to make other people do their work for them.

And yes, you are an ideological south paw, no matter how much you deny it.

"The Republicans didn't have the depth of intellect or character to make it happen." Sure sounds ad hominem to me.
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 4:36 pm | #

ArH is one of the most dishonest and/or disorganized people, even by Leftist "standards," that I can't let this pass.

He claims he made no "ad hominem" attack. He claims his criticism of the Republicans was justified after showing their ideas to be flawed. But that is NOT what he did. He made a false statement about the "Contract With America" (an "ad hominem"-like attack) and then used that to "prove" that Republicans are stupid and unprincipled. Let's take a look...

"Oh, there was that one shining moment with the Contract With America in 1994 ... that soon fizzled out. The Republicans didn't have the depth of intellect or character to make it happen."

[Incidentally, that would be like accusing the conservative founding fathers of being morally bereft because they failed to undo slavery. - And who favored slavery? some non-conservative f.f.'s, but ArH makes no distinction, and claims they were all so much better than the best of today - talk about sleezeballs.]

It's a kind of circular reasoning., and both statements are demonstrably false. Consider...

One of the revolutionary elements of the Contract is the fact that it actually was implemented as promised.
. . .
The idea of the first 100 days repeated, in a Republican Congress, what had been done by the most successful Democratic President in American history; in 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt vigorously launched the New Deal in his first 100 days in office. The key difference between 1994 and 1932 was that Republicans only controlled the Congress while a Democrat, President Clinton, still remained in the White House. This has clearly limited both the speed and scope of changes.
. . . .
The ideas espoused in the Contract With America represented the culmination of 30 years of creative conservative thinking dealing with the basic social and economic problems of modern America. The ideas provided the background for the widest range of legislative initiatives, certainly since the 1930s, and possibly at any time in American political history
http://www.heritage.org/Research...sophy/ HL549.cfm

arrrghhh

it's not accepting my post, guess I'll have to split it up? If this goes thru, I'll put it up in 2 sections. Probably the links causing problems?
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(A) - NOW, RETURNING TO TOPIC...

"Obama’s Plan to Train a Socialist Army"

And here are some of his first recruits
(watch it before it's pulled)
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 8:19 pm | #

(B) -

Then there are the books for kids lionizing Der Dear Leader's phenomenal banality.
http://www.americanthinker.com/ b...s_banal_sp.html
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 8:20 pm | #

I don't doubt ARH is a conservative. Hes just a really pissed off conservative. A place all of us will get to when our own personal tolerance threshold of watching freedom destroyed is reached.
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 9:26 pm | #

ARH is an objectivist. Objectivism is a response to collectivism. It is not conservative, as you would use the word, nor traditionalist. I have not read ARH describing himself as "conservative".

Please google it. You may not agree with it, but at least you'll have a better understanding.

I wonder about the intellect and depth of the Republican leadership myself, and I've been a Republican since 1972.
Ariel | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 10:31 pm | #

SteveH,

No, I am NOT a conservative. A conservative is one who wants "traditional values" to be preserved. Not right values, not rational values, simply values that were once valued and venerated. The rightness or wrongness of something is totally and completely unrelated to its age and level of veneration.

I hold that government has one and only one proper function: to defend individual rights. It does not have the right to tax, regulate, and any of the tens of thousands of things its doing today.

I hold that there must be a total separation between government and the economy. That individuals have a right freely to associate and trade to mutual benefit. The only time the government can properly intervene is in the event that individual rights have been violated by initiation of force and fraud.

This makes me neither a conservative nor a liberal. Its even beyond libertarian. I am not quite an anarchist but close.

You did get one thing right, I am really pissed off at the degree to which freedom had already been destroyed. I am especially pissed off at the way Republicans have cooperated with the Democrats to destroy it.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 10:32 pm | #

"I don't doubt ARH is a conservative." -- SteveH

If you're right, Steve, then he's one really messed up conservative, not that I dislike all "liberals," either, ...just the ones who are as pushy, arrogant, self-absorbed, inconsiderate, dishonest, petty, etc., as he is - I mean he acts like he is the male version of Michelle Obama).

But, who knows, maybe he really does have a reason to be so messed up. And since I can't read his mind, and he's not saying, I can only go by what he gives me to work with, a great deal of which I don't like...a whole lot.

But, for you, I'll give him a break; ...say a month? ...with option to renew? Hey, I've ignored him for far longer than that before, so I might be able to do it again.

Regards

...aside, to self..."Really, I can DO this!!!"
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 10:33 pm | #

SteveH

"I am not quite an anarchist but close." -- ArH

Hmmmm, well, I guess he IS saying.

"We wish to glorify war -- the only hygiene of the world -- militarism, patriotism, the destructive arm of the anarchist, the beautiful ideas that kill!" -- Chariman Mao"

ABOUT D*&$% TIME!

""He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity" Bertrand Russell."

ArH's contempt for order, as evidenced by his sloppy pedantic writing, lack of detail and virtual absence of any references to support anything he says (contempt for any "authority" but himself), and refusal to be burdened to explain what he means by anything (contempt for his readers), etc.

Yes, Anarchist makes sense...

One thing I can finally sort of almost respect, his honest admission of who he is. I would say "At least it's a start." but that would mean I expect it to become a trend, which I don't because that really isn't consistent with his professed ideology.
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 11:21 pm | #

All I know is that the boy is downright conflicted -- when he isn't being afflicted, that is...
The Machine | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 12:08 am | #

Watch anarchists discuss the topic of “language”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...h? v=fOIM1_xOSro
americafirst | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 1:10 am | #

> Fichte was instrumental in creating the "climate of collectivism" in philosophy (as Stephen Hicks has referred to it) that prevailed in Germany during the late 18th and throughout the 19th century.

... and led directly to the insanity that was Nazi Germany.

I tell you, if I was going to go back in time and kill some son of a bitch in his cradle to improve the plight of the human race, Horace Mann would be one of the first ones I considered.
O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 3:12 am | #

.
Of direct relevance to the main thread entry:

Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

It's a war by a fifth column, folks.

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O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 3:23 am | #

americafirst

LOLOL

Serves that socialist chumpski right! THANKS
___________________________________
"An internal server error occurred. Please try again later."

OK, I'll try again.
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Also, OBH - Yep, all the Left is the 5th column now, with a few surprising, but notable, exceptions!
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.co...e- mcgovern.html
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 3:47 am | #

> You simply can't do it on emotion, tradition, and a sort of OK sense of life alone. The most you can accomplish is move the furniture about in the room.

If that means we don't have to stumble all over it over and over again, that is not a bad thing for the interrim.

And that is IF we agree with your assessment.
O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 4:35 am | #

> You lose because you accept the self same fundamental morality as your enemy. Its a fundamental that forces you to compromise everything that you hold dear. You go along to get along when it really is important to stand your ground. When you have accepted that the good is the non-good for you, you will lose in the long run. Review the past eight years for MASSIVE evidence for what I say.

I have news: The FF's also found compromise worthwhile.

Compromise is the essence of politics.

It's agreeing with others that neither of you gets fully what they want, and not attempting to force the opposition into giving you everything you want.
O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 4:39 am | #

> (Alternatively, have you considered a career in the fortune cookie industry?)

That would require him to be in bed with lesbians.

No self-respecting lesbian would ever be in bed with such a weasel.
O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 4:41 am | #

> Incidentally, that would be like accusing the conservative founding fathers of being morally bereft because they failed to undo slavery. - And who favored slavery? some non-conservative f.f.'s

The truth about slavery is that abolishing it at the time was economically infeasible.

After the Revolution, the financial health of the Colonies was in woefully bad states (look into the origin of the phrase "Not Worth A Continental").

They had paid for the Revolution with IOUs, and said IOUs were coming due. Vile though it seems, the slaves represented a distinct set of assets for the nation, and to wipe those assets clear, by abolition of slavery, would have bankrupted them with God alone knows what results.

So, no matter their wishes to abolish the concept on American Soil, they grasped that it was not time to do so.

So they compromised. They set a date which abolished the importation of slaves, with the idea that that would lead to the gradual end of slavery. They failed, unfortunately, to see the development of institutionalized slavery, with children of slaves themselves being slaves, and so on, ad infinitum. With that, they made a grevious error, but a human one.
O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 4:53 am | #

O Bloody Hell,

Perhaps it would be better to open your eyes, turn on the lights, and watch where you are going rather than stumbling about in the dark and forgetting everything you know.

It is possible to know. It is possible to understand the nature of the situation. I is possible to understand cause and effect as it applies to the situation. It is possible to make highly reliable projections of the consequences of an action or of the failure to act. Its not easy but it is possible.

Pragmatism, the default philosophy projected by various people on this list, simply does not work. This is largely because it starts with an effectively empty mind before each act. It assumes there is no regularity in events. It assumes that anything can be anything and that cause is disconnected from identity. The conclusion is drawn from this confusion that anything can happen and therefore what will happen is not knowable unless you try it. Even then, you can't know what will happen the next time you try it. It is the logical equivalent of being falling down drunk without having any of its benefits.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 8:16 am | #

> Perhaps it would be better to...

.... spout a load of meaningless words strung together in a grandiose-sounding manner to make it appear as if something profound has been said?

You're full of shit. And anyone with any sense can tell it.

If there ever was a rational person in there, they got lost amid all the intellectual bullshit years ago.

"Pragmatism"? My ass. Did you just finish your first-year college philosophy course or something and decide to try and impress people?

"Do you like apples"?
OBloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 12:25 pm | #

I’m confused.

Pragmatism (definition): “A practical, matter-of-fact way of approaching or assessing situations or of solving problems.”

I’d think the first step towards my proposed “Fiscal Conservatism” would be pragmatism.
americafirst | Email | Homepage | 10.08.08 - 2:36 pm | #

"So they compromised. They set a date which abolished the importation of slaves, with the idea that that would lead to the gradual end of slavery. They failed, unfortunately,... -- O Bloody Hell | 10.08.08 - 4:53 am |

Yes, they "failed" but they were not failures. And that was my point. ArH accused Republicans of "failing" in their "contract with America" when, as the link I gave shows, they didn't. And the modern Reps were no more "failures" than the ff's were "failures," especially when they succeeded in so much, DESPITE THE LIE ArH TELLS that they didn't and with which he then slanders them.

Review....

** ArH uses a kind of simultaneous double "ad hominem" attack on the "contract" and on the Reps.
** Then says that his a.h. attack on the Reps wasn't because it's based on the first a.h.-like attack on the "contract," which means it's well founded.
** And, of course, the fact that they are such "failures" explains the "failure" of the "contract."
---- it's circular false "reasoning."

He's about as dishonest, delusional and irrational as they get, even when compared to out-of-the-closet Lefties.
yonason | Email | Homepage | 10.12.08 - 3:00 am | #

More Parents need to know what the true goal of public schooling is, a brainwashing center aimed to "re-educate" these children into denying all traditional thoughts/beliefs.Turning future American citizens into socialists is the public schools true agenda. If anyone is interested, I discussed a similar issue to this on my blog. It talks about the Indoctrination of the youth through the Zero Tolerance Policy(feedback greatly appreciated)

http://sluciasopinions.blogspot.com/
Sara | Email | Homepage | 02.18.09 - 5:11 am | #