I guess I'm in need of some counseling, Doc.
Facts don't matter; McCain refuses to campaign on the facts of BHO. Take a look at this morning's map:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...bama_vs_mccain/
Obama just needs 6 electoral votes; he solidified PA over the weekend... it's over folks.
Now, how do we plan for the coming chaos with the radicals in charge of the presidency and both houses??
What would be the difference?
My point exactly.
Obamma minus McCain = Zip, nada, zero.
That is unless McCain starts showing there is a difference besides a sprinkling of meaningless phrases.
On the matter of facts being important.
Facts are always important even if ignored, denied, distorted, or otherwise tried to be worked around. What is, IS and only WHAT IS, is.
What is totally determines what can be and will be next. What we want, wish, expect, or need is totally irrelevant to the matter.
Sowell misses a point in this otherwise excellent article: If McCain points to the CRA, people who think they wouldn't have gotten mortgages without it will say "He doesn't want me and my friends to have a home!" Now maybe those people are lost anyway, but McCain seems unlikely to do it.
Meanwhile, there are reports that Obama is going to run an ad featuring McCain and the Keating 5. As soon as word of this got out, McCain should have been preparing an ad, as below, and tried to arrange things so that it began running a few hours before Obamas
The ad McCain should run:
(McCain's voice.) Friends, nineteen years ago I was a naive senator who believed that someone who held a position of responsibility at a financial institution, someone who associated with other, more experienced senators, someone who spoke to me of responsibility was someone I should respect, someone I could trust. I was wrong. That someone was Charles Keating, lobbying for the Community Reinvestment Act, which forced banks to make risky mortgages. He was a crook, and for this the Senate censured some of its members and criticized others, including me. It was a painful lesson, but it taught me to be on guard against corruption, and to speak out whenever I saw it. That lesson has served me well, and I have never bowed to special interests or machine politics.
(McCain's voice, now strong and very serious.) I'm John McCain, and I approved this message.)
Our dear stalwarts of spiritual beliefs, those muslims who shout their most favored phrase just before pulling the pin on the bomb vestments; how have they influenced our culture, western culture?
Are we not mirroring their need to be controlled by a "belief" system? Obama, the great orator, offers up just what? Tingles going up your leg?
Messiah we call him? Line those kids up and do the "great leader" thing all in unison. Place placards everywhere with his divine picture.
Who's kidding who here?
But why is this happening? What is driving our collective social conscience down this path? What needs are we seeking to have satisfied?
With all that Hef has to offer girls, why would there be talk of these 3 natural beauties leaving this "who's your Daddy" rich, old man?
I thought money talks. Then again, Freud was trying to tell us how unique dreams really were, right?
You bet your sweet ass he was!
There is a lot of difference.
Even though they are both to the left of where I stand, I can still see McCain, who in perspective appears as a midget, while Obama is barely visible.
In reference to the Supreme Court, Obama's picks will be as leftist as he, McCain could possibly chose someone reasonably respectful of our Constitution.
Regardless of the outcome, we keep standing, pressing, and fighting as Americans always do.
Facts certainly don't matter in many parts of our news media. They call it the way they want to, with no regard for embarrassing facts.
What is totally determines what can be and will be next.
A.RH
Right, that's what makes the overwhelming underdog always lose, you know, as in sports and in the case of the Jews.
So why don't you try to influence what "is", or at least participate in it, instead of lobbying for an inaction which produces the self-fulfilling prophecy of necessary defeat?
It's not that hard to simply pull a lever against the thought control and economic control of Progressivism/Communism, is it?
Do you really not see any difference between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden?
The fact is that the future "facts" have not yet been determined. And btw, Classical Mechanics is not what operates the Universe. Do you perhaps think it controls your brain?
And, ARH, please don't bother telling me [in particular] yet again about how you've missed my point.
He just doesn't want to be associated with Bush too drastically.
Perhaps he should point to himself. After all McCain complained about the lunacy in 2003.
Just my 2c.
I never presumed that I had a right to own a house. I guess my mindset comes from an earlier time.
J. Peden: Do you really not see any difference between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden?
I do not see any significant difference in kind. There is only a difference in degree. They agree on the fundamental ideas (sacrifice is necessary and the good for other is what good is) and THAT is what is important. Its their fundamental ideas that will determine what and why they will do whatever they will do.
In the short run, the ONLY effective thing we can do short of killing them, is to starve them. A vote for them - for either side - is to feed them. I am NOT going to vote either Republican or Democrat. I may not even vote Libertarian.
The long run effective thing is to discover the FUNDAMENTAL ideas that count. The rest is simply irrelevant fluff. If the fundamental ideas are not different, the results will not be different.
We have to start changing the fundamental ideas held by ourselves AND the public. Voting has absolutely NOTHING to do with that. One's vote DEPENDS upon ones fundamental ideas. Not the other way around.
The actions of 1776 worked because the fundamental ideas behind the actions were right. Sure, some of the details were badly formed but they got it largely correct. McCain et.al. are right on such a small fraction of the fundamentals it won't make a difference compared to Obamma's 100% wrongness.
I have not missed your point. I simply don't agree with it. I have repeatedly told you why I don't agree with it. Voting one way or the other won't make a damn bit of difference where it counts the most: regaining our freedom and liberty with full respect for individual rights ON PRINCIPLE.
Poorly understood and articulated tradition (the conservative position) won't even move the dust on that issue let alone have a significant positive impact. The conservatives have done more damage to freedom and liberty than the demented liberals could hope to cause. The reason is the conservatives hold the same fundamental ideas that are held by the liberals. They only pretend to be different on the surface. Changing the table cloth and the flowers in the vase does not change the meal.
Ideas matter. Fundamental ideas matter most.
Fundamental ideas stop mattering when you're no longer permitted to live your life in accordance with them.
Go ahead, boycott the vote. Have fun being ground into the dirt.
I would be more supportive of Objectivism if its followers weren't such holier-than-thou arrogant fucks.
The only way to get the message across that we're angry with our government is the solution the Founding Fathers came up with -- stop paying taxes, get your guns and ammo together, and MARCH.
Who Cares,
You don't get it either. A vote for either side gets the same result.
However, I will agree that the time for final action is getting closer.
I don't see McCain and Obama as anywhere near giving this country the same results.
The tide of liberalism can't be stopped by a constitution adhering conservative President. Because he won't get elected.
What we can do Nov 4th is SLOW this tide down. Until public opinion catches up with the reality of the situation, conservatism's hands are basically tied. So we get John McCain. The hand tied conservative.
I'm an optimist. This tide can be slowed and then turned around.
We have been attempting to "slow the tide" since a called conservative tried to stop FDR in the early 1940's and failed because he had only the message of "tradition". I don't see it slowing one bit. If anything, the rate of acceleration is increasing.
Vote either way and we are heading for the abyss. A few minutes one way or the other won't make a damn bit of difference.
MCCain does now appear to be out there hurling accusations against the O. of "abetting the corruption" in the F/F disaster, along with identifying how lies become believed if repeated often enough. He seems to be going for the jugular.
The issues of supreme court justices and national defense also present appreciable differences between the perspectives of the parties and the candidates.
But the raw instinctive lust for payback would've gotten me to the voting booth by itself.
McCain voted FOR the largest grab for power in US history and the almost total nationalization of the financial markets. Bush signed the outrageous power grab a little more than an hour after it was passed by the house.
With friends like them, we don't need enemies. They are ALL, congress included, in violation of their sacred oath to uphold and defend The Constitution of the United States. Its treason pure and simple. They should be doing very hard time in federal prison at the very least.
Voting for them is to become an accomplice to treason.
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> What would be the difference?
ARH:
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You are a MOTHER fucking GOD DAMNED halfwit COCK SUCKING MORON.
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"What's the difference"?
I'm not happy with McCain in a LOT of ways. There are INARGUABLY a LOT fo reasons NOT to vote FOR McCain.
There are, however, a vast and unbelievably LONG list of reasons to GET OUT AND VOTE ****against**** OBAMA.
One idiot, not quite as much of a dick head IMBECILE as yourself (but very close), put it like this:
Why would anyone, particularly true conservatives whose name has been so misused, endorse this administration’s designated successor?
Simply put -- because, while one can readily take issue with this admin’s ELECTED successor, taking him to task for many things, and thus not be happy voting FOR him, it is quite evident to even an utter FOOL that one can certainly find necessary, and sufficient, cause to vote AGAINST his opposition.
° A voting history which totally follows the party line (despite being supposedly against the ’status quo’
° a history of highly questionable associations (Rezko, Ayers, Wright, and many more)
° a complete lack of even the most trivial actual executive experience
° the self-evident fact that the ONLY reason he’s even being considered AT ALL is for the inherently RACIST reason of his skin color.
° Blatantly socialist attitudes
° an imbecilic failure to grasp the limits of “alternative” energy technologies
° an unwillingness to push nuclear technologies for energy
° calls for REDUCTIONS in US Energy *output*
° complete ignorance of the folderol behind “Anthropogenic Global Warming”
° open support for the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine (Goodbye, TALK RADIO)
° an incapacity to understand the limits of Soft Power
° failure to grasp the manner in which prices are set in his continued rejection of offshore drilling
° open rejection of the option of using Oil Shales and Tar Sands for oil development.
And that's just for starters.
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All of those constitute ample reason to vote AGAINST Obama no matter how weak one’s support for McCain is.
As a matter of fact, they highlight just how INEPT and INCOMPETENT Obama would be as PotUS — to the point where an Obama presidency will make the presidency of Jimmy Carter look positively Reaganesque.
The long term affects of just four years, at a key time like right now, of NOT doing any oil development -- of NOT increasing energy output (and even DECREASING IT!) -- of re-instating the "fairness" doctrine -- The long term effect of just these ALONE will be phenomenal.
The US Economy is going to struggle for the next couple years, most likely, trying to fix the problems represented by this situation.
1) You want to EFFECTIVELY REWARD THE BASTARDS RESPONSIBLE by putting them in POWER?
How #$%^#%^#$^$ STUPID ARE YOU?
2) You want to see the economy, instead of recovering, truly collapse under a load of incompetent, ignorant, and blatantly STUPID socialist monetary policies?
Oh, yeah, THAT's just fucking GEEEENYUS.
So — Yeah, anyone not suffering from an incredibly bad case of Cranio-Rectal Insertion Syndrome would grasp just why one needs to support and vote for McCain.
And anyone, like you, claiming that there is NO DIFFERENCE?
You should be literally tarred and feathered and handed over to fucking Islamofascists.
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YOU
COCK SUCKING,
FUCKING,
IDIOT.
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I'll worry about McCain's Flaws AFTER he gets elected. Until then, I'm going to concentrate on the miles-long litany of inarguably defective and flat-out brain-damaged proposals made by his OPPONENT.
Fucking ASSSSSSSSWIPE.
>:-(
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To anyone who does not appreciate my language (excluding ARH):
I apologize, but I am sick and tired of frigging IMBECILES who claim to supposedly be either libertarian or conservative or whatever but basically want to hand over the country to people like Barack Obama, because they supposedly "don't like" McCain or Palin.
That is flat out BOVINE FECES.
Obama is no "middle of the road" opponent, unlike Clinton, he doesn't even TRY and disguise it.
He's an open and blatant lefty who no one in their right mind has ANY BUSINESS equating with anyone even VAGUELY close to the middle of the road.
Such illogic is exactly the same kind of blatant stupidity which leads to the equation of Islamofascism with Christianity, and the USA with Fascist Dictatorships.
It's ridiculously defective, and those who make such equations, in ALL CASES, should be treated like the contemptuous, incompetent fools that they all are.
Their opinions deserve NO respect from anyone at all, because they clearly cannot make the most basic rational comparisons with the slightest hope of producing any validity.
They should be treated with open contempt because it's blatantly obvious that their opinions have no value of any kind and they need to be informed of that since they seem incapable of realizing it short of blatant insult.
And yes, lest anyone attempt to make the comparison -- there's a difference between that and the positions of libtards which sound similar:
I've HEARD what ARH has said.
I've taken the time to point out, directly and inarguably, the massive holes in those stances, time and time again.
I did so THIS time, too.
For every single time he's been vaguely right or intelligent, there's been a dozen or more where he's so wrong it's contemptible.
And in this case, he's so utterly full of excrement, so absolutely defective in his reasoning, that it's downright PITIFUL.
He needs to just SIT DOWN AND STFU.
Further, THIS is the kind of attitude that is ahead in dealing with Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Yeah, Obama's "Soft Power" is gonna be able to fix THAT situation.
Obama gets elected, Iraq will fall, Georgia will fall, Afghanistan will fall.
And the last 8 years will all be for naught.
Look. I agree with you that Obamma is a brother to the anti-christ if not the anti-christ himself. His area code is 666 with a direct line to hell. I had identified him as America's Hitler within hours of his starting his run for president based upon his projected ideas. I agree, his administration would be a disaster of the first magnitude.
I am not convinced that a McCain administration would be any less of a disaster. It will be a different disaster but it too will be a disaster.
McCain has the philosophical depth of a flea. He holds his position by emotion and not by reason. Add to that his worship of sacrifice, his belief its our FIRST duty is to sacrifice for the country, his drive for that total obscenity of bipartisanism, and you have a disaster pre measured and signed for. Is voting for the "rescue" bill is just a down payment.
When his programs fail, and they will, it will be Capitalism and free markets that will be blamed. Government power will be aggrandized still further. He neither has the ideas or the force of reason to make it otherwise. Deeply held feelings simply are not enough.
The end with either as president will be bigger and more intrusive socialism and a greatly reduced realm of freedom and liberty. The difference between the two end states will be imeasurable. We can vote for socialism or socialism and we will get socialism if we vote or not.
Our freedom and liberty was won by men of clearly held reality and reason based ideas. It will be regained only by the same. We are at least two generations from that time.
It's not that facts don't matter. It's that people who need to hear then the most (those who still don't know how far-left Obama really is) don't get these facts from the media. They don't go to the blogs like this, they don't read long data rich threads, they don't watch scary YouTube kids-singing videos. We keep going down in polls because people listen to the huge propaganda machine--and take that BS at face value. What we need is an arsenal of conversation changers. These attention grabbers that make an impact in 5 sec. And THEN those whose opinions still can be changed may start reading more. Obama’s side if excellent in this. They have pros working around the clock on all sorts of visuals that go straight to the emotions level, bypassing the logic. Just take a look at http://www.designforobama.org/ or http://www.30reasons.org/ to know what I’m talking about.
Can you name a single memorable anti-Obama poster that speaks to the center-leaning Democratic voter? I can’t. And to expose who Obama really is we need some of that. I’ve started a new repository to fill this gap. If you agree that this a gap to be filled take a look at http://drslogan.wordpress.com/. You comments and suggestions are more than welcome.
A.RH: the fact that you have to resort to some argument about the future, means that you don't know what it is, right?
So why not try to do something about "what it is", instead of simply trying to tell everybody to just lie back and suffer the best butt-fucking they can get?
Are you perhaps working for Obama?
J.,
A vote is ALWAYS about predicting the future. It can't be any other way. ALL politicians say one thing and do another. All you can do is predict based upon the ideas they project. I find such predictions are almost as reliable as following a script. The details may differ but the general thread is followed almost exactly.
The bottom line is that neither party has earned my trust or my vote. It is my carefully considered judgment that it will be a disaster no matter what your or my vote and no matter who wins the election. The government will grow in power and intrusiveness and our freedom and liberty move closer to the vanishing point. In a year, we will will have a very good idea of how much.
I am done with this conversation. We have each made our decision. We each think the other is wrong. We will simply have to live with that.
> Look. I agree with you that Obamma is a brother to the anti-christ if not the anti-christ himself. His area code is 666 with a direct line to hell. I had identified him as America's Hitler within hours of his starting his run for president based upon his projected ideas. I agree, his administration would be a disaster of the first magnitude.
I am not convinced that a McCain administration would be any less of a disaster. It will be a different disaster but it too will be a disaster.
Not even close.
With this response, you've done nothing but
1) suggest my attitude towards Obama is of an almost religious nature rather than factual. Given that I cited a whole list of facts in support of the proposition, this is hardly accurate on any level.
2) Failed to list anything to support your own ridiculously unjustified assertion.
You could've justified it, but you did not. It seems to me that you cannot. McCain, for all his flaws, does not represent anywhere near the problem or threat which Obama represents.
McCain has real world experience, and understands the limits of governmental power. He also understands human nature. He may not be the best option for what we need. But, at the heart of it, it is either him or Obama.
Obama is either a deluded twit or a complete self-servinge charlatan. In either case, he is not, and probably never will be, what this country needs. He is particularly NOT what this country needs in a time of extended crisis -- both the current financial one but also the looming entitlement crisis.
Obama will point the finger and name names and make the people into victims of Big Bad Busineess and Big Bad Medical and Big Bad everything.... except for Big Bad Government.
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Solutions won't matter, because all that matters is selling who is the victim.
'Nuff said. In my opinion, if you cannot rationally grasp that this is a choice about a mediocre candidate or an exceedingly bad candidate, then you are at best a fool.
You need to either detail your specific justifications in opposition, if you have any, or shut the hell up.
Because if you cannot detail, in clear and concise terms, what the problems with McCain are that EQUATES to the problems with Obama, then you're not contributing JACK to the discussion.
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> It is my carefully considered judgment that it will be a disaster no matter what your or my vote and no matter who wins the election. The government will grow in power and intrusiveness and our freedom and liberty move closer to the vanishing point. In a year, we will will have a very good idea of how much.
I don't even disagree with that assessment. The questions lies in what will be the aftermath of the crisis.
Holding off the ultimate disaster is never a bad goal:
Once upon a time in China, there lived an Emperor who owned a majestic white stallion, the finest beast in all his Kingdom. One night, a starving peasant tried to slip in and steal the horse, but was captured by the palace guards and thrown into the dungeon.
The next morning, he was dragged before the Emperor's court. "How dare you?" bellowed the Emperor, "How DARE lay hand on my royal steed! Jailor, take this theif out and put him to death!"
Immediately, the peasant bowed deeply. "Your judgement is peerless and wise, O Emperor," he calmly replied, "and my life is of no value. I would offer you a gift before I depart. Your mount is quite a fine one, but if your eminence would spare my life for just a year and a day, I swear to you that I can teach that horse to sing!"
The court burst into laughter at the notion, but the Emperor was intrigued. After all, you didn't get to his high position by turning down freely offered gifts, no matter how far-fetched they seem. To the surprise of all, the Emperor accepted the peasant's offer.
As they were leaving the chambers, the jailor whispered to the peasant, "You are a fool!"
"I am a fool?" replied the peasant, smiling broadly. "Much can happen in a year and a day... The King may die. The horse may die. I may die... and who knows? Maybe the horse will learn to sing."
Minimizing the extent of the current financial crisis is clearly not going to happen under Obama. It might happen under McCain.
The longer term issues are not going to be dealt with under Obama. That might not happen under McCain.
The longer term issues (Energy, in particular, but also Foreign Policy) are certain to be made much worse under Obama. Of all things, that is certain not to be the case under McCain.
I also worry about the loss of freedom and liberty, but that, at this point, is a peripheral issue. As long as people are fearful of the future, they will be more readily open to damnfool suggestions which will only make the situation far, far worse.
Obama's background is filled with connections with people who will take advantage of that to bring down their own nation into the mire and much that the rest of the world is stuck in.
McCain's associations may blunder in that direction, but will never knowingly head in that direction.
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