Sure, but did you notice how comfy the Obama man/child was when he looked out upon his fellow elites?

McCain should never have agreed to go to Columbia in the first place: It was a set up to polish Obama and stain McCain.

If you were to take the names of every student in that audience and find out who the parents were, then check to see what kind of history mommy and daddy had in serving our country...bet me the best answer might be the Peace Corps in Latin America, or Africa.

Military service? Take an oath to fight and die for your country...not yesterday, not today, and not tomorrow. Let the stupid people do that, we're too smart and right for such!

No wonder some Americans go to Alaska to live and be free from such groups!
RJ | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 8:46 am | #

Doc,

I am somewhat surprised that you are surprised by the reaction of the Columbia crowd. You've been in academia, you know what they think...err..feel.

The vast majority of my fellow faculty here where I work, sincerely believe that they are higher creatures for being "citizens of the world". To admit pride in the USA would be undermining their egos. I would have been much more surprised if anyone HAD applauded.
physicsguy | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 8:55 am | #

I think this perfectly exemplifies what it has come down to in this country: a great number of Americans--mostly of the Democrat and brainwashed leftist persuasion--don't think America is anything special. They live in the freest, best off, most productive, most generous country on the globe, and they don't think that's anything special.

They've never known any different, so on their timescale, it IS nothing special.

Freedom, even not getting killed for thinking "wrong", is VERY special. Only exists in America for less than 100 years, and only in Europe for less than 50. But not for < 50 year olds in America. It's what they've always known. They've never even talked to someone that didn't have this freedom.

And to be frank. They don't like others having this freedom. Especially the fat lazy slobs concerning others' thoughts about the fat lazy slobs they are.

They want more. They want to be admired. Everybody always told them they were special, and obviously, without family, they're nobody's. But the baby boomers never gave them any family.
Tomc | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 8:56 am | #

Eric Hoffer once observed that one of the reasons intellectuals dislike the United States is that we don't give them what they think is their due. America is the society of common people par excellence. That's not an unmixed blessing, e.g. our vulgar and crude popular culture. But people who believe they ought to have substantial political influence and who don't are likely to resent and feel alienated from a society that does not afford them what they believe is their proper place.

I'm OK with that.
Alex Bensky | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 9:29 am | #

Yeah, the "citizen of the world" syndrome. I've run into a lot of that over the years. I've traveled to 32 countries outside of the U.S., worked at least short-term in in 20 of them, and lived at least a year in four others, including my current residence. But I've never forgotten I'm an American and I've never found a better place overall than the U.S. And I've looked pretty hard.

I've also met lots of Peace Corps types, most of whom are indeed liberal but tend to have a much better grasp of reality than the spoiled left-wing brats at places like Columbia. That's especially true of those who have been doing it for a while. Being forced to survive--and function in one's job--on a tiny stipend in a third-world sh**hole tends to make even erstwhile unicorn-huggers grow up pretty fast. Those who can't or won't generally don't stay with the program.
waltj | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 10:00 am | #

Obama said some odd things last night:
(1)"We’re going to have a bold energy plan that says that we are going to reduce our dependence on foreign oil by 20 or 30 percent over the course of a decade or two." 20% reduction in 20 years? He has lowered the bar, hasn't he?
(2)And I would have asked very explicitly for young people to engage in community service and military service. I was listening earlier of the discussion about who serves in our military. I think that had the president very clearly said, this is not just going to be a war of a few of us, this is going to be an effort that mobilizes all of us, I think we would have had a different result." It appears that the libs have finally reasoned that universal military service will improve chances for more wide-spread pacifism.

And there is a lot more. Wish I had more time.
Fred Beloit | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 10:26 am | #

Good point, Alex - or shoulc I say, Eric! I've been kind of working on this theory for a bit recently - that the US is trying very hard to become a "class" divided society, and this is a lot of the antipathy we see in politics.
We began as a classless society. All work was honorable and you get what you work for. Some people get more, some get less - but it's up to you.
There was a time when a college education was something only a small percentage had. Now it's probably at least half the population. (I'm guessing) So if you have a college education, if you have a white collar job instead of a job digging ditches or the equivalent, you're average. The guy with the digging ditches is the below average guy...a shmo. An ignoramus. "We intellectuals" are supposed to run things...You "shmos" are supposed to do the manual labor. Or should that be "Manuel" labor. Work is only honorable if it's an indoor, air conditioned job. Waitresses, gardeners, truck drivers - obviously they're less intelligent, so they're lower class. You know...like in Europe where the lower classes know their place.

And you know what? those waitresses, gardeners and truck drivers have votes equal to those intellectuals...and the intellectuals _hate_ it!
suek | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 10:38 am | #

"the kind of service and sacrifice that we are capable of"

It is obscene that McCane glorifies sacrifice. Our exceptionalism is based upon the principle that we are NOT rightless choiceless shmoos to sacrifice and be sacrificed to any cause. WE stand as individuals who have a right to exist and a right to our choice of its fulfillment. We do not have to beg or pay ransom for that existence either. We simply must learn how to and actually produce the values that support and sustain OUR lives. Our lives may be enhanced by trading value for value and we may have to fight and die to defend our values but duty and sacrifice has nothing to do with it.

In this sacrifice-is-good (TM) principle, McCane is in full agreement with Obama and the psychotic minions of the left. The only argument is who sacrifices or is sacrificed to whom, for what reason, how much, and how fast.

Obama will make sure you are sacrificed at the point of the government's gun. McCane is worse in that he glorifies voluntary sacrifice - the voluntary destruction of higher values for lessor ones. That is a distinction without a significant difference in outcome except that its vastly more destructive to the sacrifices or is sacrificed. You will be consumed for any goddamn rotting good for nothing parasite and you really don't have any choice in the matter - its your duty to stand and deliver no matter how much you love your life. You will not have a right to your existence especially if you are able to achieve your values and sustain them.

I can't vote for McCane. As interesting as Palin is, she is part of the package and can't change a thing. Voting for him sanctions his obscene principle. I can't do that.

Unfortunately we will get the government we deserve. It won't be pretty no matter who wins.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 10:55 am | #

Oops, "outcome except that its vastly more destructive to the sacrifices or is sacrificed." should read "outcome except that its vastly more destructive"
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 10:58 am | #

I tuned in at exactly that point of the Q&A and was immediately disgusted by Woodruff's little drama - implying that America is not "better", then trying to trap McCain into saying that it was, thus creating a "gotcha" for all the widdle Progressives to perseverate incessantly about for the rest of their very sad lives. [Do these people remind anyone else of Dana Carvey's SNL Church Lady character?]

But McCain slam-dunked it right back down all their whiney throats, imo, with what I thought was a brilliant exposition of America's exceptional dream at work. He was so on fire that I was "speechless" myself for a few seconds.

The reality of Palin, especially vs Obama, already has these elitist infants nearly corralled within their playpens. It should be both interesting and gratifying to see what the America/self haters do if McCain keeps effectively slamming the reality of America as conceived and at work in the real world into their oso Progressive/Defeatist fantasyland bubble - as the rest of real America watches.
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 11:08 am | #

A.RH: then it would be too much of a "sacrifice" for you to cast an effective vote against Obama/Progressivism, which is obviously the greater threat? The rest of us need your vote! Please?
J. Peden | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 11:27 am | #

The reaction of the audience was predictably surprising. Who didn’t know that an elitist crowd of blame America first-ers and multi-cultural, post-modern, indoctrinaires would have trouble with the notion of American exceptionalism…

They are basically like a bunch of spoiled rich kids who think their level of creature comforts and leisure are simply common place entitlements; and who roll their eyes and dismiss the values of their parents, who often worked hard to provide all those comforts, as being old fashioned, outdated, and contemptible…

What really burned my arse was the choice of moderators. Stengel and Woodruff are two card carrying members of the far left. Stengel believes that journalists should not waste times with facts, but be activists for liberal causes; and admitted as much during an early morning segment on MSNBC’s Morning Joe earlier this year; and Woodruff-‘nuff said…

Those two pressed Mav hard on American exceptionalism, Palin supposedly disparaging quip about community organizers, why he thought too many government programs got in the way of true volunteerism and charities, and the risible notion that an all volunteer military was more discriminatory against low income folks than a draft! And of course, they gushed all over O! slow pitching him softball after softball and essentially feeding him set-ups to make pronouncements about social justice and his enlightened policies…

The whole forum was a joke. And the only good part was that Mav worked in a shot at O! for not agreeing to debate him-like he’s still swearing he wants to. Mav went into a potentially hostile environment and handled himself with grace, élan, and panache. But then again, he was a fighter pilot used to having to get through the flak and put your load on target!
Bob | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 12:14 pm | #

ARH - McCain refers to it as a "sacrifice", but I don't consider it a sacrifice to fight for my values--I consider it an honor. I think McCain believes that, too. I, too, don't like the use of the term 'sacrifice' being thrown around when America forces no one to fight for her. That is why I support an all-volunteer military.
Dr. Sanity | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 12:58 pm | #

C'mon, do you really expect the privileged class at Columbia to express gratitude to the common Americans who shed blood so that they can remain whiny spoiled brats with an expansive sense of superiority?

They don't even have an ROTC program up there.

They will never admit to any flaw in their ego-centric worldview.

In their minds, they are the saviors of the world! We can't live without them. Such expansive thinkers!

I see them from time to time stuck on the West Side Hwy with a flat on the Bimmer....sitting with the celphone.. waiting for AAA 'cause they are so smart, they can't even change a tire....pleeeezze!
Wr_guy | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 1:03 pm | #

"...bespeaks of a deadness of the ..."soul

By now you may have see this, but it's so appropriate...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...h? v=RWpU8sX10_4
yonason | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 1:31 pm | #

How many of those in the crowd will actually heed the call of 'national service'? Even if promoted (nay, vaguely threatened) by Obama?

Yep, none in the crowd would think it (the call to service) apply to them. It is for the little people, like the bitter people in middle America, and those already serving in the millatry (cause they don't have any other options).
always right | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 1:39 pm | #

Dr. Sanity,

I agree it is not a sacrifice to VOLUNTARILY fight for your values. In fact, fighting for your highest values is the most moral thing you can do. However, his use of the word its totally equivocated. His intent is to make sacrifice a primary value as a noble and righteous act. The notion of selfish defense of rational values, which you infer, becomes secondary, implied, and ultimately non-existent. Words matter and the words used reflect the content of the unconscious in great detail.

He is a bloody altruist to the core. He starts out talking voluntary sacrifice and will end up being like the rest of the jackbooted thugs. If sacrifice is noble and good, taking from one at the point of a gun and giving to others who have so much less is noble and good too. This is the essence of sacrificing a higher value for a lessor one which is the meaning of SACRIFICE! There is no practical philosophical difference between he and Obama and the result will be the same. The only difference will be as I have said before, who will get sacrificed, to whom, by whom, how fast, and for what excuse.

I do not wish to give sanction to such things even by so much as a single vote out of a million.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 1:48 pm | #

Not surprising that ARH's button gets pushed over the word, "sacrifice".


"But the baby boomers never gave them any family."

Tomc | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 8:56 am | #


And give that man a cigar.




!
The Machine | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 2:19 pm | #

always right | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 1:39 pm |

Oh, AR, don't you understand? That's for the "other" America, not them. They are the "masters" and the rest of us are their servants, who must be properly taught, and perhaps some of the unwashed can be turned to the dark side in the process?
http://www.familysecuritymatters.../ pub_detail.asp
yonason | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 2:20 pm | #

BLOWING SMOKE OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH

One final thought from watching snippets of O'Bumpkin's monologue on YouTube.

In one breath he is talking up "community service" and "volunteerism" and in a previous one he said we should do away with volunteer fire fighters.

O'Bunko is a con artist, nothing more.
yonason | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 2:36 pm | #

"We’re the only nation I know in the world that really is deeply concerned about adhering to the principle that all of us are created equal and endowed by our creators with certain rights"

The above statement in my opinion could be the root of the lack of applause. Anyone who is honest knows that America is not dedicated to the adhering to the principle that all of us are created equal. When that phrase was coined it only pertained to white America and based on how the laws of this land are handed out it still is to some extent. Race and economic status determine the type of education you get, the type of treatment you receive by the police and the justice system, the type of health care you receive and so many other fundamental ideals. So let's not pretend that America has always been and is dedicated to all persons being equal. Take a minute and ask the Indians and/or black folks and I am sure you will get a different perspective.
Tiffany | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 2:57 pm | #

ARH, sacrifice is fine as long as it is not COMPELLED. It is quite a orwellian use of language indeed to even call that sacrifice. I love the way the left wants to "sacrifice" our wallets. Who is sacrificing who?

Compulsary "charity" at the point of a gun is not "charity" at all...in fact compulsary charity is worse than no charity at all as it breeds resentment all around.

Notice how many recipients of the Govt largess resent the collective charity and the "givers" resent paying it. Now contrast that with the dynamic you get when a person helps another one on one without compulsion to give at all. Now that is charity and it bears good fruit.

That is the model we should follow.
Wr_guy | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 3:06 pm | #

I dunno, Senator. Do people in Mexico REALLY feel special about their country? Given that so many are (literally) dying to leave it, and all. I know your were trying to be polite, but sometimes it's best to just speak the truth-we ARE the best country this planet has ever seen. Other countries should apologize for being such rancid boils, forever requiring money and aid, while they continue to make the same mistakes, over and over again.
ginsocal | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 3:09 pm | #

Wr_guy,

The philosophical notion that "sacrifice" is noble and good is at the base of nearly every evil that man does. The problem with your so called "love" is that it too is seen as a duty, an obligation BECAUSE they need so much and that it is noble to "give" most if not everything you have for his sake. This is not voluntary, it is an obscene moral compulsion. You do it because you feel you are "supposed to do it" without having examined the evil premise behind the compulsion.

I have no problem with helping someone who needs help, who is deserving of help, who does not demand or expect it as a right, and I can afford to help without giving up ANY higher value. Further, I would willingly help someone whom for various reasons I value highly for the sake of preserving that value. Not because he needs it but because I need him to survive. This is not sacrifice in any way shape or form.

I am not obligated to help my neighbor if he is staving and I have an overflowing pantry. However, I cannot in that case properly say I am his friend. There MUST be a selfish reason for me to do it or I simply won't. Why? I have a right to MY life and no one else has a right to it for any reason whatsoever. Ditto for everyone else on earth.

This is one of the most important principles to up hold. Only the consistent and persistent use of reason is of higher importance. It is reason that makes human life possible in the first place.
A. Rational Human | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 3:27 pm | #

Do you people not understand that your sick, degenerate society is finished?

The entire world demands that Barack Obama be elected President of the United States.

Do you not understand what will happen if the election is stolen again? Do you seriously believe that African-Americans, Muslims, Latinos, and other oppressed Americans will stand for it this time?

Do you not comprehend that the future of America (and indeed the entire world) is Islam?

There is little time left. Cease your oppression of Muslims or suffer the consequences.

Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar!
American Muslim | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 3:32 pm | #

Tiffany,
Mr. Obama's educational background, that os his wife, and indeed his very candidacy render your argument hollow.


Injustices of the past do not make existence in the present equally as unfair. As a matter of fact, a good argument can be made that the very mechanism spawned by the civil rights act of 1964 are themselves exclusionary.

And before any tribal cards are thrown, my ancestry is signifigantly native, Cherokee to be precise, so in the game of identity politics recurring indignation, I hold absolute moral authority...

And, as an aside, I worked for my education in addition to the gracious allowances of members of my family. I'm proud of the fact that I didn't suck at the government's teat-although I could have recieved a free ride simply based on my ancestry. Like many proud Americans whe preceeded me, I made my own way and can be proud of the achievement I have...
Bob | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 3:42 pm | #

American Muslim | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 3:32 pm |

The entire world demands that Barack Obama be elected President of the United States.

Do you not understand what will happen if the election is stolen again? Do you seriously believe that African-Americans, Muslims, Latinos, and other oppressed Americans will stand for it this time?

American Muslim:

You need to loosen those nipple clamps you secretly wear!
RJ | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 4:40 pm | #

I have a question or two...

It is about the type of "elitism" we see here. It seems to me that liberal thinkers and particularly those on campus have the idea that they are just much smarter than the rest of us. They believe this despite overwelming evidence tho the contrary. Despite the fact that history proves there philosophy a failure again and again, they persist in thinking that if people only knew what was good for them they would all vote Democrat.

My question is: Isn't a belief like this; in ones own superiority, even after it is repeatedly disproved, a symptom of a mental illness? Is it the cognitive dissonance they feel because their belief system is irrational that makes liberals or for that matter Muslim fanatics so darn crabby?

Fortunately for everyone, the world isn't who gets to choose. If the Dems don't cheat Obama won't win and if they do cheat he still probably won't win.
Wondering Aloud | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 4:48 pm | #

I have a question or two...

It is about the type of "elitism" we see here. It seems to me that liberal thinkers and particularly those on campus have the idea that they are just much smarter than the rest of us. They believe this despite overwelming evidence tho the contrary. Despite the fact that history proves there philosophy a failure again and again, they persist in thinking that if people only knew what was good for them they would all vote Democrat.

My question is: Isn't a belief like this; in ones own superiority, even after it is repeatedly disproved, a symptom of a mental illness? Is it the cognitive dissonance they feel because their belief system is irrational that makes liberals or for that matter Muslim fanatics so darn crabby?

Fortunately for everyone, the world isn't who gets to choose. If the Dems don't cheat Obama won't win and if they do cheat he still probably won't win.
Wondering Aloud | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 4:48 pm | #

Oops, strange I only hit ok once maybe I am slow
Wondering Aloud | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 4:49 pm | #

Oops, strange I only hit ok once maybe I am slow
Wondering Aloud | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 4:49 pm | #

I bet there was a handfull in that Columbia audience that thought about applauding McCain's comments. Then looked around and weighed the price to pay for such non conformity in a sea of fascist liberals.
SteveH | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 6:30 pm | #

AM, YOUR grandchildren will eat bacon and marry JAPS. Allah Ack-ack-ackkkk-CHOO! -cp
cold pizza | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 6:32 pm | #

Apparently Tiffany has not heard of the phrase, "a more perfect union."
Dennis | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 7:28 pm | #

"They live in the freest, best off, most productive, most generous country on the globe, and they don't think that's anything special."

I have to admit that the first thing I thought of when I read this was a line from the Marquise de Merteuil, in DANGEROUS LIAISONS: "One does not applaud the tenor for clearing his throat."

The success of the United States and Western civilization in general is not seen for how much better it is than everything that went before; it is seen only for how far short it falls of what it could be (in their visions).

At bottom, in a real way, there is still a kind of love, but it's the dangerous obsessive adoration of potential that you see in the mothers of "star" children, the kind constantly pushing them to do better and better and acting more as their agent than their mother. The fact that they're moving their own goalposts, because (as with all human endeavours) the struggle eventually becomes more important than the object, escapes their notice.
Stephen J. | Email | Homepage | 09.12.08 - 8:17 pm | #

As for the issue of "sacrifice," do we know what we are to begin with?
Katina | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 12:48 am | #

AM, let's cut to the chase if you want to discuss sick and degenerate societies. Societies where most men's first sexual experience is with another man or with a farm animal. (Only the lucky ones get to score with a prostitute). Societies where the men are so weak that they simply cannot control themselves at the sight of a woman's leg or breast. Societies that are so dysfunctional that the rulers pocket most of the money and leave their citizens unemployed, illiterate, and ignorant. I am, of course, describing the vast majority of Muslim societies. I currently live in a Muslim majority country. I see what goes on around me. There are Muslims who succeed in improving their families' lives, but Islam has nothing to do with it; accommodating oneself to the modern world is what does it. Islam, particularly its Salafi school, dwells entirely on the past, a mythical golden age (that never really existed); since it has no room for the future and no way to assimilate change, it will eventually die. Organisms, and religions, that do not change and adapt invariably perish. And that is an empirical fact.

My rights as an individual are self-evident and not "granted" by any religion or government. They exist because I do. I do not need to "submit" to your version of "god" to experience "peace". Islam's peace is the peace of the grave that allows none of the richness of the human experience to penetrate it. Far from our grandchildren becoming Muslims, your long-term prospects are doomed by your inability to adapt.
waltj | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 12:49 am | #

"Yeah, the 'citizen of the world' syndrome. I've run into a lot of that over the years. I've traveled to 32 countries outside of the U.S., worked at least short-term in in 20 of them, and lived at least a year in four others, including my current residence. But I've never forgotten I'm an American and I've never found a better place overall than the U.S. And I've looked pretty hard."

Been there, done that, waltj -- I couldn't agree more. I really saw first-hand how that "generosity of spirit" McCain talked about is not common overseas. Back in '85 when I lived in Switzerland there was a mudslide off a volcano in Colombia that killed a lot of people. So I sent $100 to the IRC since it happened to be close by in Geneva. I was completely surprised -- in fact, floored -- to receive a personal letter of thanks from the head of the IRC. After asking around to local colleagues if that is common they just laughed because hardly anyone there donates their own money -- they expect the government too. And Switzerland is (or at least was at the time) the least socialist country in Europe!
Don Miguel | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 3:06 am | #

Has AM learned yet that if his God was so great, America would've been defeated long ago?
Idle Drifter | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 3:18 am | #

Did anybody else, when considering this student audience at Columbia, come up with an image of Meadow?

Y'know, Meadow Soprano?

Knowing, but heedless of how dear old Dad came up with the bucks to keep her there . . .
Niccolo | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 5:18 am | #

> It appears that the libs have finally reasoned that universal military service will improve chances for more wide-spread pacifism.

Frred, they've been pushing this crap for several years now -- where have you been?

The logic (and it works, for what their real goal is) is that if everyone was forced to be in the military, then the military would be utterly useless. You could no longer make the claim that it's a volunteer army, so everyone there is choosing to risk their lives. And of course, there would be a lot more resistance to anyone going off to fight.

It's a policy to increase isolationism, not really pacifism (the difference in function isn't significant... the results are much the same -- you can't fight a war until the situation is so utterly out of hand that no one rational can doubt the need).

And that's what they want, a neutered America.

One can but hope that the wolves come for them last, so that, as the jaws clench about their throats, and their children's throats, that what flashes before their eyes is the utter horror of their supreme failure.

:-/
O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 7:12 am | #

For the most part, ignore the troll. That said:

The entire world demands that Barack Obama be elected President of the United States.

Oh, so true:

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for

Reason #53 to vote McCain/Palin:
It'll piss off Lefty European snobs who are arrogant enough to think they can dictate to us, even though they can't even tell a two-bit thug like Saddam what to do.
O Bloody Hell | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 7:20 am | #

Knowing dictionary definitions, getting correct answers to math problems, and having parents with $150K to spend for a diploma at a liberal conclave has passed for intelligence and wisdom in America for far too long. The arrogant elitist of the Columbia crowd, who, like Barack Obama and CNN, believe themselves to be "world" citizens, are sickened by us rubes who choke up during the national anthem. John McCain drew a beautiful image for that audience of who he thinks THEY are as Americans. The shame and humiliation is on the audience, who painted themselves out of the picture.
twolaneflash | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 1:02 pm | #

Sacrifice isn't sacrifice unless it is voluntary.

Passive sacrifice where one is the offering is actually more the Obama (mandatory community service so we learn how to "share?") plan.

A.R.H. makes me laugh when he / she bristles at McCain (a-i-n) speaking of sacrifice and duty. What do think Obama expects (You *must* ... mandatory voluinteeris ... [Do I smell George Orwell in the room?])

Socialists like Obama are good at telling the rest of us how to scarifice for the greater good (and their comfort).

Sarah Palin and her ilk are a breath of fresh air. The reason she set this thing on fire is -- hard for the Columbia crowd to comprehend -- Palin is us.

We live in the real world, and so does she. We wnt people like her to speak for us.

America is exceptional because she is "We, the people ..."

The elites can't get a handle on that.
JAL | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 5:34 pm | #

I see the IRS returns from the Bidens that they really believe in sacrificing for others: ten year average of $369 per year charitable donations, while living on a $3 million estate. Obama gave $22,500 in 2006 alone to that fountain of love and acceptance Trinity UCC, while taking a $13K donation to The Democratic Black Caucus as a tax deduction. 2000-2004 the Obamas gave $10K and Change of their $1.2 million income to charity (less than 1%).

John McCain has donated the royalties of his books to charity, totaling over $1.8 million since 1998; his finances are separate from his wife's & her businesses'. In opposition to the 1991 Senate pay increase, McCain has donated over $450k in Senate pay increases to charity since then. John & Cindy McCain donated over $340K of their community assets to charity in 2006-2007, John's half representing 19% & 27.2% of his ajusted gross income for that year.

Like the comparison of the Carbon-credits huckster Al Gore's house to President George Bush's Texas ranch house, the hypocrisy of the Marxist elite is glaring. Others can conserve not Al. Others can give, not Obama/Biden. The Marxist Vanguard Party believes government should take control of everything, including compassion, charitable works, and free will. Obama/Biden, and Michelle O, already have a plan for America in which they will tell you when and about what to feel compassion, and where to show up for your scheduled work detail. Obama/Biden: "Giving's for thee, not for me, comrades.".

McCain/Palin '08 for 8!
twolaneflash | Email | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 6:46 pm | #

Columbia was founded by Tories and has continued in that tradition.
David Warner | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 12:10 am | #

Well I don't know about all of this citizen of the world stuff, but I think I've got a pretty good idea what is going on here: Columbia is successfully indoctrinating their students into forming and defending a leftist worldview. In 2008, no less.

Congress should pass a law that any college or university that accepts Federal dollars or students paying with Federal dollars doesn't get to have any type of speech code.

We've got to fight fire with fire.

yours/
peter.
peter jackson | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 12:30 am | #

I'm certain I'd be better qualified to teach music composition and/or music theory in a university than 99.9% of professors currently doing the job. I'll have nothing whatsoever to do with the academy, however, because arts and humanities departments are such cesspools of leftist pseudo-intellectualism.

Any parent who wastes money sending a child to Columbia should be prosecuted for some kind of a felony.
Hucbald | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 12:55 am | #

Hail Columbia unhappy fane
Nose held high above the plane
At Country's service only jeers
In Accord with all their Peers
To such Pharisees may they have pain

....nnnn..'o.o'..uu!u....algie
Illegitimi nOn carborundum !!!
Algie | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 1:32 am | #

"...the price to pay for such non conformity in a sea of fascist liberals."

Any graduate student seen clapping for McCain would be finished professionally.

That simple. Reign of terror.
Lexington Green | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 1:33 am | #

Vietnam and Iraq are NOT good jobs

But mccain is so senile he must have forgotten what happened in nam
nick | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 1:46 am | #

Wow, someone must have recently re-read their copy of Atlas Shruggged.

"New Intellectual" indeed!

The doctrinaire attitude that puts absolute philosophical purity above actually having an effect in the, ya know, 'objectively' real world, like A. Rational Human's, is one reason my interest in Rand diminished a couple decades ago, even as many of the principles still guide me.
newscaper | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:19 am | #

"We’re the only nation I know in the world that really is deeply concerned about adhering to the principle that all of us are created equal and endowed by our creators with certain rights"

Um.. Take a look at those European countries, including Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and Spain, who have taken in so many immigrants in recent years, to relieve their suffering in their homelands, despite them being from virtually alien cultures, poor, and hard to assimilate.

They do it out of deep respect for human rights.

Bet this is not news to much of the student body at Columbia.

America is good, but not the only good country.
s sommer | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:21 am | #

Actually many of those European countries are willing to junk many of their other principles for the sake of a multi-culturalism that makes them helpless to defend themselves intellectually, verbally or legally, much less physically.
newscaper | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:25 am | #

McCain went exactly where he needed to go and did exactly what he needed to do. Columbia saw a man.
Max | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:29 am | #

Many of the Columbia kids will simply grow out of it.

What's Obama's excuse?
Mister Snitch! | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:41 am | #

The talk of rampant anti-intellectualism wasn't exaggerated, it seems.

Holy FUCK are you people ignorant.

Intellectuals are harder to manipulate. They don't bite immediately on McCain's lies, and they fact-check things before making decisions. This makes them dangerous to you.

Far better to insult them, to harness the power of the idiots, encouraging them to stand proud in their lack of intelligence, and even to hate those who are smart. These people are valuable, as they don't think, and don't question. With one religious idea, an entire army of fools can be mobilized to do your bidding, and a college education has been proven to stop that blind faith dead in its tracks.

That is a scary thought to those who have only gotten where they have because of the idiocy of the common red-state american...
JT | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:54 am | #

It seems to me that the function of a true leader is to inspire others to follow. With strength, with purpose, with hope.

McCain is a symbol of the festering evil that has chocked the minds and souls of so many Americans. He will do nothing but tighten the leash of corporate control around your neck and, amazingly, you cheer them on.

Your minds are warped, your morality self-serving and your vitriol pathetic. You are cavemen who are no longer needed in this society. Your time is up, the game is over. Face it, you lost.

The USA needs hope, it needs a true leader, and the man to provide that is Obama.
Galactic | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 3:21 am | #

Funny how Galactic and JT seem to be the most foaming at the mouth here, engaging in precisely that vitriol and bigotry of which they accuse others.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 3:47 am | #

"Intellectuals are harder to manipulate." -- JT

Belief in that assertion of yours requires the very blind-faith you accuse us of, and is not at all supported by the facts.

The majority of German intellectuals thought Hitler was wonderful, as did many American intellectuals.

... that California not only led the nation in forced sterilizations, but also in providing scientific and educational support for Hitler's regime. In 1935, Sacramento's Charles M. Goethe praised the Human Betterment Foundation for effectively "shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler…" In 1936, Goethe acknowledged the United States and Germany as leaders in eugenics ("two stupendous forward movements"), but complained that "even California's quarter century record has, in two years, been outdistanced by Germany." In 1936, California eugenicist Paul Popenoe was asking one of his Nazi counterparts for information about sterilization policies in Germany in order to make sure that "conditions in Germany are not misunderstood or misrepresented." http://hnn.us/articles/1551.html

An apt observation:

Inevitably, nihilism will expose all cherished beliefs and sacrosanct truths as symptoms of a defective Western mythos. This collapse of meaning, relevance, and purpose will be the most destructive force in history, constituting a total assault on reality and nothing less than the greatest crisis of humanity...
Dr Dean | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 4:01 am | #

Dr. Dean

Take a vallium, and DON'T call me in the morning. I'll be fine, really.
yonason | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 4:07 am | #

The USA needs hope, it needs a true leader, and the man to provide that is Obama.

As a British-born American citizen, I have stood by idly enough without responding to these kinds of exhortations. I speak now in full volume.

Please do not pay attention to foreigners who neither wish to know anything about America, yet would flip themselves over a million times to understand the cultural realities of Africans, Asians, and South Americans, nor understand its history of self-made men (and now women) who reach the summit by the grace of their pluck.

Europeans have no idea what it is to tame a prairie, or to forge a city from wilderness. All they know is how to rebuild their cities from the bombs they threw on themselves, or had thrown on them, to free them from the oppression and divisiveness of their own making. Their post-feudal minds, before beholden to lords, is now beholden to the State. As lord substitutes, in the form of bureaucrats, they are the font of all good and progress, unwilling to allow competing interests to horn in on their bestowal of bounty.

This is Senator Obama for them. The man who will cure historical injustices by personal fiat. It is enough that he says something is a good idea, for his followers to think it so.

He also embodies a vicarious healing for the world, in nations where a black man stands NIL chance at becoming, e.g., a black President of France, or a black Prime Minister of the UK. Yet, this deluded, and racist Europe seeks to shake its finger at America, because it feels so much more enlightened than that bastard nation across the ocean.

So far, you have not chosen leaders who do not have in their very marrow, an intimate knowledge of what it is to be American.

From Washington to Bush the younger, each leader has been nurtured by American parents in this history of self-reliance and self-belief of your nation. They may have varied in talent and execution, but all were recognisably American.

Today, we have two of the very best examplars of that ideal in the form of Senator John McCain and Governor Palin (the latter, perhaps the most folksy national politician since Harry Truman). Even Senator Biden carries with him the imprimatur of authenticity.

But the other man, Barack Obama, he is not an American in any sense of the word.

Neither by upbringing (the product of a self-loathing American mother, and a Marxist professor African father who abandoned them the moment he could get a scholarship to Harvard), nor by disposition, nor by mindset. He shows that in small gestures, and in grandiloquent visions.

When foreigners see Senator Obama, they see one of them. Whatever candidate will make America weaker, by crippling it from within with taxation and self-doubt, they will be in his favour.

It is no secret the world seeks an end to American exceptionalism. .

They said that with the Soviet Union. And it collapsed. They cheered for Japan to do so, and it stagnated. And now they revel for the day when China or India will take over from the evil, overweight, illiterate Americans.

Show the world you respect yourselves. Show the world you believe in yourselves. Show the world what it means to be strong.

You've been doing great so far for 232 years. Do not falter and stumble now when you're at the summit of your powers.

Cheers,
Victoria
Victoria | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 4:18 am | #

VICTORIA

No doubt, this is some of what you were refering to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=x...01_archive.html

Obama would be RIGHT at home there.
yonason | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 4:30 am | #

Yes, Yonason. He was tailor-made for such a self-serving, intellectually snobbish entity. The ones who champion the gosses de banlieue, but wouldn't so much as condenscend to live amongst them.

I'll end my post with this vision, so that even our more clueless foreigners understand why Governor Palin so appeals to Americans today.

When Senator Obama knocks on a modest, blue-collar home asking for their vote, it is Sarah Palin who is on the other side, opening the door.

There is nothing more quintessentially American than walking the walk. It is, literally, unbeatable.

Cheers,
Victoria
Victoria | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 4:43 am | #

"Holy FUCK are you people ignorant."

Maybe. But most of us can get a point across without the crutch of cheap, sloppy vulgarity. And NONE of us would call a sentence like the one above an intellectual feat.

Sorry, but you don't pass for an 'intellectual' any more than Obama passes for a true leader.
Mister Snitch | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 4:55 am | #

"Um.. Take a look at those European countries, including Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and Spain, who have taken in so many immigrants in recent years, to relieve their suffering in their homelands, despite them being from virtually alien cultures, poor, and hard to assimilate".

I'm throwing the B.S. flag on this one. European countries don't let immigrants in out of the goodness of their hearts. Have you ever seen who cleans your hotel room in Paris? Or stocks the shelves of the market in Frankfurt? Or does a lot of the repetitive factory work that can't be automated? That's right, immigrants, often from former colonies in Africa, the Middle East, or the Caribbean (depending, of course, on where you are). Next time you fly through Frankfurt or Heathrow, see who cleans the toilets. It won't be an ethnic German or Brit. It'll be an immigrant, or a child of immigrants. They get paid the lowest wages, live in the worst housing, have the lowest levels of education, and have the highest rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, family violence, and welfare reliance of anyone else in their countries. Worse, and unlike the U.S., the European countries make it very difficult for them to receive citizenship so they can start to work their way into the mainstream of society. Even if they receive citizenship, they're still viewed as "the other" by the "establishment" in their adopted countries. A Barack Obama, i.e., someone of mixed parentage and questionable early circumstances who still managed to receive a top-notch education, and work the political system to be on the cusp of his nation's highest elected office, would be unthinkable virtually anywhere on the Continent. Who's the last PM of Jamaican descent you saw in the UK? Or the last President in France who had Algerian parents? Or the last Chancellor of Turkish ancestry in Germany? Oh yeah, that's right, they haven't had any either.
waltj | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 6:06 am | #

I've noticed a particular cognitive dissonance coming from the America-haters, one I think pretty well sums up their disdain for the U.S.:

1) On the one hand, how many times have we heard one of them say how ashamed they are of the American "tourist" abroad? Obama did it recently with his "merci beaucoup" riff. So declasse of us not to respect their culture by speaking their language!

2) On the other hand, they adamantly believe and fight for the concept that those coming TO America should NOT be expected to learn/speak English. Through their multi-culti programs they discourage Americanization, otherwise known as assimilation.

These two conflicting viewpoints reveal their deep contempt for the average American...for America itself.
jeanne | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 6:25 am | #

Liberals deep down want a king.

It's why they love the Supreme Court.

Life time appointment, unassailable edicts, the flowing black robe thing...closest thing we have to a monarch. And many decisions come down to a single 5-4 vote today, even on obvious questions like whether the 2nd Amendment applies to the "little people."

Obama is acting like a king. A significant number of childish Americans respond to that.
Koblog | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 6:50 am | #

JT:

Intellectuals are harder to manipulate.

When I saw that I naturally went to look up Orwell's quote to the effect of "an idea so stupid only an intellectual could believe it."

I found this instead:

"So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot."

Is that serendipity or what?
rickl | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 7:35 am | #

Victoria:

Wonderful, wonderful comment. Thanks. You definitely get it.
rickl | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 7:42 am | #

There are large swaths of the country where an Ivy League degree is now looked upon with scorn... and rightfully so. The "elites" who populate their faculties know deep down that they are worthless and incapable of contributing anything of value to society and they blame that not on their own shortcomings but upon the way our society is structured. If only the government required x,y and z people would see their true worth.

Idiots all...
ASL | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 7:54 am | #

The reason people are uncomfortable with talk about Americans sacrificing themselves for the freedom of others at this point in time is that this line has been used to justify an illegal and immoral war with Iraq. That war was much more about the energy security of the United States than it was about anybody's freedom or political rights.
Brian | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 8:21 am | #

Not having both McCain and Obama share the stage throughout says more about Obama than the audience's silence says about Columbia. Columbia, the school whose Assistant Professor of Anthropology called for "a million Mogadishus" and the school which invited Aquavelvajad to its campus, was lost to America when Mark Rudd stormed the Administration Building without consequence.
doc | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 9:22 am | #

Actually, I was surprised at the level of support (though still relatively small) for the Repubs at Columbia as indicated by a review of articles and comments in the school rag.

http://commentariat.specblogs.co...ain-postmortem/
Y | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 10:49 am | #

Brian, you're essentially repeating the same line of nonsense that people said about the Vietnam War back in the 1960s. McCain served in that war at great personal cost. Whatever the government did obviously wasn't enough, but McCain's service and sacrifice are in no way diminished by that. Same in Iraq, which, by the way, isn't the only war we're fighting right now. The Dems have always considered Afghanistan the "good war". At least, until we started succeeding in Iraq. Now, I'm not so sure.
waltj | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 10:50 am | #

"I'm throwing the B.S. flag on this one. European countries don't let immigrants in out of the goodness of their hearts."

There are plenty of children of immigrants who have risen to achievement and political leadership in various European countries.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in the Netherlands would be one example. Check out the countries I listed to easily find more, political and in business.

Of course, just as in America, we see plenty of immigrants there in menial work. But, to claim that there is no upward mobility in European countries (or any worse than the problem in the USA for minorities) is a false assumption. Your claim about Europe sounds similar to the popular "doing jobs Americans won't do" story.

I purposely did not list some European countries which are very anti-immigrant, including Italy.
s sommer | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 11:07 am | #

My favorite part was when McCain chided Columbia for not having a ROTC on campus. Lets face it, the academia elite hate the Republicans and they hate John McCain.
Ron J | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 11:27 am | #

If this was a surprise to you, then you obviously have not spent much time on those sorts of campuses lately. To me, Obama's attendance at Columbia and Harvard were instant *dis*qualifications, because I know those professors and campuses intimately. Older generations have no idea what's become of those colleges over the last twenty years. They are lost. Unredeemable. Most likely forever. I sound like I'm exaggerating but I'm speaking from first hand experience: there is nothing connecting the University (especially 'elite' University) community to mainstream America, except for some accidents of ancient history.
NYer | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 12:14 pm | #

Let's face it...this reaction exemplifies the state of our educational system from grade school on up! Our so-called public schools - really government schools, have watered down, useless texts that fail to present the history of this great nation in its true context with any semblance of detail. Information about our Constitution has all but disappeared from the curriculum. The Pledge of Allegiance has been eliminated. The so-called "liberals" don't want us to have sense of loyalty or pride for our Country and our great heritage. They don't want us to know about all the heroes that died in defense of our Constitution - and our Freedom that we enjoy! We should send them all to Iraq so they can squalor in their own self effacement. Our country is in deep trouble; and, if we don't wake up and do something quickly, these "liberals" will have us studying the Koran and converting to the Muslim faith!!!
S. Mirman | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 12:28 pm | #

waltj,

While there are similarities between Iraq and Vietnam in that they are opposed by a broad segment of the American population, I am unaware as to any suggestion that it was a resource war. (I wasn't around then.) My argument about Iraq is basically that the reason Iraq was a target was that it was in a strategically important region to the United States (the Arab Middle East), where there is a lot of oil. There are plenty of other oppressive regimes in the world that the US could have targeted if "freedom" was all this is about, but there's not as big of a geopolitical payoff for toppling Mugabe, Assad or the Burmese junta.

Don't get me wrong, I think the end result in Iraq has the potential to be a lot better than when Saddam was there, but I object to the cost in lives, money, and to America's image. And it doesn't change the fact that Bush misled the public and made a huge strategic blunder.
Brian | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 1:36 pm | #

Funny, after the hosts tried their little number on McCain about America being "better" than other countries, when Obama came out and said America was the greatest country in the world, they had no comment. Wonder why?
Jimbouie | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:10 pm | #

Who said we lost the Viet Nam War?

Russia by 1939 had killed 20 million.

China by 1962 had killed 60 million.

This genocide fell like dominoes on successive areas and stopped with Viet Nam. There is no doubt that North Viet Nam eventually took over the South but we stopped Communist Genocide at the 100 million mark in South East Asia
Y | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:12 pm | #

"Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in the Netherlands would be one example. Check out the countries I listed to easily find more, political and in busines"

S sommer


That's a freakin' hilarious example -- didn't she have to live in fear because of the muslim thugs barely opposed they've brought into their midst Didn't she actually have to *leave* the Netherlands?


Re: some other bozo foaming over american "anti-intellectualism" -- I guess we're supposed to genuflect at the altar of the same intellectual establishment that a) thinks communism is a viable economic model and that b) turned a blind eye to Lenin and Stalin's bloodiness when not actually deliberately lying to cover it up.
newscaper | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:36 pm | #

Re: Vietnam

The romanticized Viet Cong "insurgents" in the South were no more than nuisances after getting themselves massacred out in the open in the Tet Offensive, which the Commies *lost*, which only the near-treasonous pronouncements of Cronkite turned into a perceived loss for the US.

After a lot of screwing around under Gen. Westmoreland, Gen. Abrams found the right strategy. The derided "Vietnamization" was finally working. By the time the North won, the US was already mostly out.

People never learn in school that US forces were not actually defeated, but that the South fell to a fully conventional, almost WW2 style invasion from the North.

Worse, with our continued air support, training, and logistical support, the South (the ARVN)had *already* kicked the living shit out of one attempted invasion after our departure. (in 1974?)

The followup invasion (1975 IIRC) was only successful because the Dems cut the South off from meaningful US support, as a way to settle scores over here in the aftermath of Watergate. The killing fields and the boat people who never made it are squarely on their heads.

Sickening thing is, the current crop of anti-war Dems have been screaming about Iraq-nam parallels - and they've been half right: their predecessors guaranteed defeat back then and they sorely wanted to guarantee defeat this time, all for the sake of domestic power plays.

The only thing standing in the way this time, was the guts of the presumed idiot Bush.

Thank God.
newscaper | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 2:51 pm | #

Growing up in rural Iowa, my father instilled in my sisters and me how fortunate we were to be born in the U.S. He repeatedly pointed out the freedoms we had in this country and its exceptionalism. I think about an essay Susan Sontag (or someone like her) wrote after 9/11, in which she told her daughter how embarrassed she was to see U.S. flags flying from windows. There's a marked difference in parenting, and I think my father was being the more responsible.
Lawrence | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 3:09 pm | #

jeanne | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 6:25 am |

NICE POINT
yonason | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 7:15 pm | #

Related commentary in today's Pittsburgh Tribune Review.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/...n/ s_588123.html

Blue-collar blues

By Mike Rose
Sunday, September 14, 2008

"They treat us like mules," the guy installing my washer tells me, his eyes narrowing as he wipes his hands.

I had just complimented him and his partner on the speed and assurance of their work. He explains that it's rare that customers speak to him this way.

I know what he's talking about.

My mother was a waitress all her life, in coffee shops and fast-paced chain restaurants. It was hard work but she liked it -- liked "being among the public," as she would say.

But that work had its sting, too -- the customer who would treat her like a servant or, her biggest complaint, like she was not that bright.

There's a lesson here for this political season: the subtle and not-so-subtle insults that blue-collar and service workers endure as part of their working lives. And those insults often have to do with intelligence.

We like to think of the United States as a classless society. The belief in economic mobility is central to the American Dream and we pride ourselves on our spirit of egalitarianism.

But we also have a troubling streak of aristocratic bias in our national temperament. One way it manifests itself is in the assumptions we make about people who work with their hands.
(the rest at site)
Typical White Person | Email | Homepage | 09.14.08 - 11:16 pm | #

" think this perfectly exemplifies what it has come down to in this country: a great number of Americans--mostly of the Democrat and brainwashed leftist persuasion--don't think America is anything special. They live in the freest, best off, most productive, most generous country on the globe, and they don't think that's anything special."
- what a load of Bullsh*t ! Do you really believe in that? McCain is hundred years behind in his thinking, and the corruption and greed of him and his aides (as seen in his gambling involvement with Indian casinos, and the monies that were paid to him to support these..), and his involvement with Fannie and Freddie etc. It seems to be normal to be corrupted by lobbyists and vote only in your own personal interest. Everything that is good for the average person is decried as SOCIALISM ...this country (US of A) is so messed up that just hope that Obama comes and gives it a better course than McPains "100 years in Iraq!". But even if McPain wins (shows the stupidity of voters...they deserve nothing better than what they vote for anyway) I'll be at home in Europe watching US going to sh*ts....at least it's got some entertainment value.
And everyone who calls Obama an elitist but thinks McPain is better with his 11 houses and 150 millions in the bank is an absolute idiot! Unbelievable that they don't teach critical thinking to US citizens...
Diana | Email | Homepage | 10.02.08 - 2:45 pm | #