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WND is, at its heart, a conservative protestant evangelical mouthpiece. And a loony one too. Sure their views may mesh with yours often, but in the final analysis they have their own agenda. I tend to put them in the same block as the marxist rags, only some goatee-wearing mirror/mirror universe type of rag.
The Christian Science Monitor and the actual NPR programs (which do not include any leftist stuff broadcast by the various carrier stations) are far more objective sources, IMO (at least as objective as one can get). In fact I have been persuaded to the conservative side of some issues after listening to both sides on an NPR program.
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I try not to quote WND too often, but use other sources. They do have some good terrorism articles.
On religion, denominations, sects, etc. have been arguing forever. More than one group think they are "the only way" to salvation/Heaven. I figure all groups have their good and bad points. A lot of what we do in church services wasn't ordered by God or wasn't in the Bible.
For me, I always use this one rule:
"If a group/denomination/religion places Salvation on anything OTHER THAN faith in Jesus Christ, they are not truly a Christian religion."
Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour is the only real, Biblical, requirement for Salvation. When groups start adding "salvation in Christ AND ... (fill in the blank), then I start questioning.
I'm Southern Baptist.
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ah my sweet friend the last thing we need with the Izlmo Nazi threat over our heads is more diviseness!..thanks for the compassion D Ox!! 
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Hi Debbie, Thank you for the comment. I think the main thing to keep in mind is that the Church isn't "denying" the salvation of Christians outside full union. We really do need to focus on our common faith in Jesus as handed down in the Gospels. I wish all Christians were willing to keep in ecumenical dialogue with the Catholic church because the commitments to the practical requirements of the Gospel are shared by all Christians. Anyway, most of my best friends are Baptists! Glad to count you among them!
Ditto, Angel!
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I have friend in almost every denomination of Christian faith, including Catholic, Episcopal, (even some Mormons, ha). I love religious rituals, ceremonies, Baptism, Communion. What I don't like about all the different religious groups is that many actually do believe they are the only ones getting to heaven. I think many of them are going to be very surprised to see who did, and who didn't.
I agree that we all need to get along and work together, and I include Jews in that group. God had a plan, I don't know all the details. If He wanted me to know, He would tell me.
I have the hardest time figuring out how Islamic terrorists fit into that picture of heaven. I'm sorry, but when I picture them, I see a dark place, separated from all that is light and good, ... except for the inferno of flames leaping all around them.
But hey, that's just me friend. Have a great evening.
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Hi Debbie, I'm so glad to see you comment back. Well, precisely because we must NOT, NOT, NOT be afraid of each other as Christians, let alone as children of Abraham. That includes the Jews and the good Moslems in God's plan. The Moslems are the descendents of Ishmael, right. Technically he was "robbed" of his birthright. But he was the son of an illegitimate wife. They are part of salvation history! HOLY SMOKES this is some story.
Yikes! That's the Bible, which Moslems accept.
Pope Benedict's speech at Regesnburg made one of the most important points ever in terms of our inter-faith dialogue. Moslems do not believe that "God is Love" but rather that "God is command". That is a huge difference from the mainstream of faith in the Western World which has always understood God as a mystery to be engaged. The catholic tradition (little c) yours and mine, is that, duh, we have to interpret scriptures with REASON and reference to how the whole body of believers (Church) has always interpreted/read them. Moslems do NOT think in these terms. Their idea of SUBMISSION to the "will" of God is totally irrational. Because the "will" of God (in scripture) ALWAYS has to be interpreted. It is not self-evident somehow in scriptures. So they follow they teachings of the latest, most exciting preacher.
That (Judeo-Christian) need to "interpret" God has made Western Civilization what it is! Curious and striving for perfection! Scientific, democratic, concerned with human rights.
Debbie, (and I have a sister-in-law named Debbie), I can't tell you how much I feel love for you and also those other bloggers like us out there trying to get a bit of truth/life out there in the world. It really chokes me up.
We just have to pray for the Moslems. And of course we have to stop them in any of their physical predations. They absolutely need to be converted.
Blessings upon you and yours,
Tom
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The apostle Peter was never in Rome, Paul was the apostle to Rome. The Catholic Church is a mixture of Christianity, and pagan dogma. The pope wants to sit in Jerusalem, so they invalidate the Jewish people. Recently the current pope decided to re-invoke an old prayer for Jews to come to salvation. Where was the prayer for the muslims who keep killing everyone to come to know Jesus? The Catholics of this world need to come out from the whore of Revelations, and see that they are in a political false religion. Jesus was apposed to dogmatic religious gesticulation. Many are there who go there in, and few who will be saved. Ecumenism goes against what God has proclaimed. Times like these are when we need to get on our knees before God, not worship a man who props himself up as a "holy" representation of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is the method for direct communication with God, as Adam and Eve had, not through transcendentalism with a priest.
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Well everyone has an opinion! However the notion that Peter was never in Rome is just plain whacky. Scholars who have no interest in the Catholic Church, in the Papacy, in Christianity or even in any religion at all, all take the evidence as pretty standard that St. Peter was bishop of Rome and was martyred there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter
Peace.
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I'm not seeing proof of the "Peter in Rome" thing on Wiki. I wouldn't have written it if I just pulled that out of my head. Peter was never in Rome; Paul was the Apostle to Rome, as stated in his letters to the Romans. If you want to see waky, here's waky. Let's say you were the Emperor of Rome and you found out about this new religion that won't worship you as a god. They just kept growing the more you tried to kill them off. If you can't beat them, then joining them might be one way of handling the problem. Simply work from the inside out. Once established as the head of this new religion, you then proclaim anyone who doesn't acknowledge you as the leader / authority of the religion is a heretic and have an inquisition to purge your land of the hold outs. First off the Jews, they don't bow down, let's illegitimize them first, tell everyone to start praying that they see the light of your religion, next the Protestants (what exactly are they protesting anyway, oh yes it’s YOU, and there's no "D" in that word) Keep the other religion that starts wars and causes trouble, after all Israel and that bad Protestant country USA is at fault for all the worlds problems, the warrior sects kill themselves while making everyone nervous, and make people seek you out for guidance and protection, sort of play both sides against the middle if you know what I mean? Lastly when everyone who is not in your version of the true religion or is part of the ecumenical movement, has been stifled, killed, imprisoned, or quieted, then proclaim the need to do away with the militant other religion with another crusade to purge the land of these rebel rousers, and "take back" the Holy City of Jerusalem. Everyone will go for that, who doesn’t want peace? After all, Rome is a nice place to visit, but you're really not home until you've taken over God's Holy Temple and moved your thrown there. After all you are the Emperor, right?
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Uh, you sort of have to be in Rome to bee killed there? And yes, Paul was in Rome too. Being the first of the Apostles there did not make him the head of that Church, did not make him the head of the Church that Jesus intended to found with Peter as spiritual head and leader, with authority to bind and unbind on earth and in heaven. Oh I guess you skipped those parts of Scripture.
Other than that, you've put together about as fine a string of sophomoric, unhistorical, confused, bizarre and fallacious argument if ever I heard one! Assuming you have ever read a book besides selected portions of Scripture, Jack Chick comics, or the "Left Behind" stories, let me tell you how the story really ends... you look up from your computer screen as you hear an unexpected knock on the door. Carefully you go to the window and peer through the curtain to see a large black suv in your driveway. The knock comes again, and then, bursting through the door two gigantic men in white coats take you away to Uncle Waldo's Funny Farm. I just hope you don't own any guns. You may have missed it, somehow Catholics didn't get around to kicking out Protestants from the Church for about 1500 years, mainly on the basis of their claim that any dope with a Bible is automatically endowed with the Holy Spirit and can go on living a life of depravity and hate even. Well, Luther was pretty good at setting that example. But if those evil Catholics have that "plan" as their idea of a conspiracy, they're certainly taking their sweet time.
Anyway, peace!
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