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Stupid crappy videos. But I think you can see it a little bit... right?
I see a "rocket-like" object coming in from the right just before the explosion.
I know surveillance cameras have a good deal of wide-angle distortion and it is almost impossible to judge depth from them.
It makes sense that a large plane would be coming in from the side:
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That looks to be the head of a rocket. But it couldn't be, i'm sure theres vids and pictures all over the net showing the plane... right? Or am I wrong? If I am wrong, I have to say that is a little fishy. That plus the fact the FBI seized all the tapes of the incident from the surrounding area makes the whole incident make you wonder.
Look, can we please stop with the 9/11 conspiracy theories? While to think that Bush knew about the attacks before they happened is understandable, the theories that the Pentagon was detonated are really annoying. Get me a better video and I'll have a look. Isn't it obvious that it misses the two frames with the planes? It's all bull.
dude, that's not a rocket.
Erm. This video was just released by the Pentagon to prove a plane actually hit the building. However, I still dont fucking see it.
It is obvious that the Pentagon was hit by a plane (and it was), but the plane isn’t shown in the video. I believe this is because:
1) – The frames showing the plane were cut out;
2) – The plane was traveling too fast to be caught on tape.
If the latter is correct, than I think that the hijackers had previous aviation training, and I’m not talking about that stupid flight school in Scottsdale. I think they were trained by the Saudi Royal Air Force. Does anyone agree?
I freezed the tip of the plane/rocket thing at 1:26.
I think I see a tip of the airplane just before it explodes, but the video is so crappy it's hard to tell.
unrelated, but funny.
If you rearrange the letters of the phrase "God bless America", you can spell "I massacred globe" ....
http://www.anagramgenius.com/server.php
That's great by "I massacred globe" is not a grammatically correct phrase, so it’s not that cool.
Okay, lemme see this.
Ah. More bush stuff.
I've never thought that the Pentagon was attacked internally from bombs and stuff. From my experience with explosives, that explosion was caused by SOMETHING hitting the petagon, not by a bomb. HOWEVER.
I don't beleve it was an airplane.
I've seen photographes of whatever it was that hit the Pentagon. It's way to small to be an airplane. nd then, they said that the plane rammed into the Petagon AFTER skidding on the lawn. There are no skidmarks on the lawn indicating that it did that. Likewise, there was a gigantic hole through three wings of the Pentagon. It takes a bit more then just a plane to do that against THREE SOLID LAYERS OF CONCRETE. Lastly,the peices of the wreckage were all small enough to be carried away by hand - all except one, which was covered in a blue tarp and carried off by CIA OFFICALS.
Bush may not have been behind 9/11, but there is DEFINATLY something they're not telling us.
What I find odd about the story is the part of the Pentagon hit was under renovation; so there weren’t very many people in the area. Now don’t get me wrong. I'm not saying I wanted more people dead, but I just find it strange.
Also, when I watch the video frame by frame I see something pop in from the right heading directly into the building. How the hell could a plane fly that close to the ground without hitting the ground?
I have to call bullshit on this one.
There are still so many unanswered questions about 9/11 that it astounds me. We are still supposed to believe the whole reason we were attacked was because the Terrorists hate our freedoms. If that is true, why has the Bush Administration been stripping away around freedoms ever since that horrific day?!
i don't think the administration was behind it as much as they were criminally incompetant.
i don't know if anyone else noticed this, but i think that little sliver on the right you see at 1:26 is actually the end of the wing. it wasn't exactly at a 90 degree angle in realtion to the position of the camera.
"god bless america" = "I massacred globe" hehehe, so true.
There are very many strange things about 9/11. The black box, which can withstand a full blown crash and is intened to so people can know what happened on the plane was taken away and not released to the public, the White House saying it was broken and in another report the CIA said the information was unuseful. Yet somehow, the ID of the terrorist landed safely intact on the ground for a NYC police officer to find, and release this information to the public. If you don't beleive me about this information because please do your own research.
9/11, if not an inside job as so much evidence points to now, I'm not sure what it was.
I've heard that many of the terrorists that supposably died in 9/11 are alive and well in Saudi Arabia, but this I have not found any comfirmation. Anyone know anything about this?
Senator John McCain:
No! Isn't major chance.
Uhm...if it wasn't a plane but a rocket then radars had to be changed etc
A plane is still missing, so they had to eliminate 1
And if this is true then why did they do it??
They hit the towers??
Isn't that enough??
This video is too crappy to get important info.
The thing on the right has the distinct shape of an airplane nose with the bump for the cockpit. It has weird shading effects on the side akin to fuel intakes on an F-4 Phantom.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/s...-4-
phantom1.jpg
The object bears remote resemblance to outdated & large cruise missiles:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/us.../icbm/sm-
65.htm
If you freeze the 2nd Pentagon video at 0:24, you can see the blue tail fin above the gate box to the right with jet trail extending behind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...11%209/11%
20911
Weird to think the Pentagon would've hit itself, it's the perfect cover. I always thought the targets were a message - our economy (globalism) and military (imperialism) are evil.
To avoid hitting the ground, the plane would've needed to be moving slowly. A better tape should've gotten a very good look at the plane.
In addition, if 9/11 was staged and missiles hit the WTC and the Pentagon, what happened to all the people on those planes who died? Did they just up and dissapear, or did CIA assassins kill them or what? Too many things don't add up with the whole "it was a missile" theory. 1) The planes are destroyed, 2) the people are dead, 3) there is no motive to commit such a grand act of destruction. If it was all staged, why would they attack so many targets and cause so many deaths? An attack on just one target would suffice for the purpose of getting the wars started, why attack a multitude and such gratuitous destruction? Just hitting the Pentagon would have been good enough. Everything points to the terrorists, and if something doesn't add up because the government doesn't tell us, well that's life. When did any government tell the people everything? never.
teh_guy, your video showed more than mine. Whatever hit the pentagon went very low straight across the ground. It can be easily seen. Obviously not a commercial jet plane.
I think the pentagon was hit in order to make the government seem like it was also harmed during the attacks.
What happen to the real planes is anyone's guess. I have my theories (and about United 93), but not yet ready to share.
Just because our government is incompetent and gung-ho, I refuse to believe that our elected officials would massacre thousands of people. 9/11 was proof that even a simple, yet highly coordinated attack could be devestating.
i just kinda think this whole conspiracy thing is kind of retarded. there's video footage showing the planes hitting the towers, isn't that enough?
Anyone, our government massacred thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghanis in our War on Terror.
"I refuse to believe that our elected officials would massacre thousands of people"
-Anyone
They most likely let 9/11 happen, just as Churchill let Pearl Harbor happen.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/1291d.asp
"your video showed more than mine"
-Sam T
Oh, when I said the video was crappy, I mostly meant I thought the Pentagon had better footage they weren't showing.
"Whatever hit the pentagon went very low straight across the ground."
-Sam T
Yeah, these videos freak me out. If you watch planes landing, their noses are up. Obviously the pilot would speed up at the last second to hit the building harder, but just to keep off the ground, you'd think it wouldn't be so straight! Commentary from a pilot would be useful.
Also...
In the second video, you can't see the nose or body of the plane in front of the obvious fin. Also, jet planes don't leave smoke behind them at ground level.
Missiles do leave smoke at ground level, and they also have fins closer to their noses.
It goes without saying that the Bush administration, PNAC, and all that other jazz, are a bunch of imperious, corrupt pricks....but I just can't believe they'd kill thousands of their own people, just to gain a pretext for war, I'm just not that cynical, no one in their right mind is that evil. Plus, if murder of such catastrophic proportions was going to be commited, and was planned for so long, there is NO WAY it would go unleaked for so long, its simply impossible, SOMEONE would talk.
TK,
That's just it, though. Bush and his cronies don't think of us "ordinary" folks as members of "their own people".
It's obvious through the changes in public policy, the stripping of our rights, and the raping of our resources under this administration, that people below a certain income bracket don't mean sh*t to Bush and Co.
This war is for oil and political clout. If the Bushites aren't afraid to let a few thousand of our military personel die for oil and political clout -- how much less will they care if civilians die for it?
9/11 was allowed to happen because Bush needed a PRETEXT to con the american people. Without that shocking pretext, people might have kept their heads enough to see through his BS from the start.
In terms of whether Bushites hit the Pentagon on purpose, I'm skeptical. All I see here is video with frames removed and little evidence for a plane.
As for 9/11...I think it was best said that the Bushies have clearly abused the tragedy for personal gain, greed, and power. It's bad enough that they have a motive for letting it happen. Recall that PNAC
Btw - people outside of the loop DID leak the info, like Dick Clark
damned tab button screwed my last post...
PNAC did, in essence, call for a new Pearl Harbor in Sept. 2000:
"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."
Summary:
http://pnac.info/index.php/2003/...e-prior-to-911/
Actual PNAC report as pdf file:
http://
www.newamericancentury.or...casDefenses.pdf
And PNAC told Bush to invade Iraq, links to 9/11 or not:
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2.../
salhiApr05.asp
No one really knows if the Bushies let it happen, but they did ignore specific warnings (i.e. Phoenix Memo):
http://
www.cooperativeresearch.o...c_cases=bojinka
http://www.usatoday.com/news/was...sat-fbi-
cia.htm
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/
arc...oenixmemo1.html
Oh, and Richard Clarke's presidential brief...
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/...s/
index_np.html
Plus the Bush Administration was against a real investigation into why 9/11 happened. They finally gave in, but got to pick the people doing the investigation. Also, Dick held bush’s hand during the interview so he wouldn’t screw up too bad and it wasn’t recorded. Nice. What do they have to hide?
I think the reason they were scared of a serious inquiry was because (as time has showed) our government had every bit of evidence needed to prevent 9/11, but don’t want us to know. This way they can continue to strip us of our privacy in the name of security. In other words, they must tap our phones in order to stop another 9/11.
"think the reason they were scared of a serious inquiry was because (as time has showed) our government had every bit of evidence needed to prevent 9/11, but don’t want us to know"
Or maybe they just didn't want to be exposed for their idiocy in ignoring the plain evidence of the threat Al Quida (wrong spelling, I know)posed to the US.
We will likely never know.
"Dick held bush’s hand during the interview" -Sam T
lol, I remember that!
Okay, three more quotes, then I promise I'm done. 
"Early in 2000, [Able Danger] identified...an al-Qaeda cell...which included Mohamed Atta and three other future 9/11 hijackers"
http://
www.cooperativeresearch.o...rams=ableDanger
"a Philippine investigator...says of the 9/11 attacks, 'It’s Bojinka. We told the Americans everything about Bojinka [in 1995]. Why didn’t they pay attention?' "
"The FBI seemed to be going out of its way to avoid even a hint of the [Bojinka] plot that was ultimately carried out on 9/11"
http://
www.cooperativeresearch.o...c_cases=bojinka
Next you'll be arguing that the moon landing was faked.
has anyone noticed on the video teh_guy gave us that at the start the lapost oppisite the gas station just pops out of the ground?
has anyone noticed on the video teh_guy gave us that at the start the lapost oppisite the gas station just pops out of the ground?
http://www.freedomunderground.or...le/
pentagon.php
^ pentagon conspiracy theory video, it gives detail on the event and only gives fact "i think" check it out
Oh yes... The government would NEVER dare kill their own people for beneficial gain... Especially not to distribute foreign oil fields to major oil tycoons who helped them get in power in the first place.
Never happened before... Nope. Americans lives were never used to start war abroad... Nope.
*cough*lousitania*cough*maine*cough*pearlharbor*.
All attacks NOBODY saw coming. Nope. Just a second of mysterious finger in the nose...
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