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Bush is a moron--->,
Wow... new low.
Anothere exemplification of the "mass conservative media bias", right Jeremy? :P
TK - you betcha. Here's a blog-length response.
Threat of Iraq War: 2002
Iraq War: 2003
Iraq War Criticism: 2006
Note that Cafferty mentioned the US was powerless to stop the violence, but didn't mention pulling out or transferring control to the UN (as that would null US control over oil contracts).
Find me a CNN critique of possible war with Iraq (which mentions the US arming Hussein with WMD's via Rumsfeld in the 1980's) dated 2002 and I will admit defeat.
Until then, it's all propaganda to me.
What? Are you serious, or being willfully ignorant Jeremy? Honestly, we have long transcended the point where I'm going to pull punches, so I'm going to be quite frank.
Anyone who honestly believes the media as a whole is conservative is an idiot. CNN regularly ridicules, criticises, and brings on guests like Bill Maher who lampoon Bush. Regulars like Lou Dobbs, Cafferty, Scneider, Cooper, among many others, make regular sport of criticising the war, conservatism, and all the rest.
MSNBC is at the moment the pinnacle of cable news dissent against Bush, a crusade being frontlined by the brilliant Keith Olbermann, who has an hour primetime show DIRECTLY contrasting O'Reilly where he regularly eviscerates Bush.
And yet you still desperately cling to this fallacious notion that the media is run by conservatives? Give me a break, the only place conservatives hold any ground is Fox, don't fool yourself.
*announcer voice* Taco King. Countering "fallacious arguments" with verbal fellatios. Next on CNN. :D
More non-funny tripe from ML, I was waiting for that.
Oh, and I failed to touch upon this before:
You made a very valid point, Jeremy, none of the major networks were objective or responsible pre-Iraq war, because everyone was afraid of the "patriotic", post-911 syndrome. Thats not "conservatism", that incompetence.
Now that 5 years have passed since 911, and people are much more critical of the war, the networks have adhered to popular beliefs and are equally critical of the war.
Thats all most of the cable networks are you know, they don't report the news, they reflect popular opinion, give what people want to hear. CNN is reassuring its newfound antiwar constituency, as Fox is adhering to its perpetually ignorant (but slowly dwindling) redneck population.
Do you understand?
TK, you have to cut out the language if you want to have a real discussion.
I don't have the time to look up connections between all the major media networks and neofascists. But networks got rewarded with looser FCC regulations, translating to more advertising $$ via better % market domination. That was the payoff, so what was the job?
American networks show propaganda. If propaganda is too obvious, it is recognized and disregarded. The networks are probably trying to appear left-leaning now to fool us. After all, what is the criticism worth? We're already in Iraq!
Here's your homework assignment: find me a network that is suggesting we PULL OUT OF IRAQ or TRANSFER CONTROL TO THE UN. That would actively hurt the neofascist conspiracy to secure oil reserves to bring China and India to their knees, and make lots of $$ in the process.
You won't find it.
The FCC payoff for propaganda:
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/a...3-9/1/
1809.html
http://www.commondreams.org/view...s03/0528-
03.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...storyId=6082952
Jeremy, it saddens me, more and more I talk to you I really do believe you're a fliched hippie liberal. Honestly, you're too smart to be regurgitating this bullshit, grow up.
You want a network that suggests we pull out of Iraq? Watch MSNBC, watch Keith Olbermann. Watch CNN, they bring pundits ALL THE FUCKING TIME that say we need to get out of Iraq, are you serious? Are you really that blind?
Its impossible not to use this language when you're saying things that don't have any logic behind them at all. This has long-since departed the realm of the "civil discussion", I am attempting to enstillt o you basic knowledge that has somehow eluded you. Do you not watch television? Do you not actually watch these "neofascist" cable networks which you so detest?
Or, as I suspect, are you getting all your info on the matter from neo-socialist idiocracies like BuzzFlash and Eric Blumrich?
My intention wasn't even to be mean or anything, the only reason I'm employing harsh language is because...what you're asserting is so blatantly, inarguably ludicrous I find it my duty to try any way I can to purge it from your head.
I wake up every morning, eating my little breakfast before rushing to school, watching either CNN or MSNBC. Half the time, likely more so, whenever Iraq is mentioned it is most definitely ina dim light. In the case of Keith Olbermann, a man who has outright called Bush a fascist, O'Reilly a Nazi appeaser, and the Iraq war a reprehensible war crime, there is no question that you are 300 percent wrong, because right there you have a frontling cable news anchor DECIMATING the administration.
Moreover, while it is regrettable that CNN doesn't have someone like Olbermann, they do REGULARLY bring people like Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Al Franken, and the like who lampoon the administration without mercy.
Now, I know what you're going to say in feeble rebuttal "but those aren't employees of CNN!"
OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE TO BE BALANCED OR THEY'D BE AS BAD AS FOX.
Now, I don't want innuendo from you. I don't want you bringing up hack numbers from the FCC that don't mean anything. I want you to honestly read what I have written in the posts on this blog, and tell me I'm wrong. This isn't something debatable, this is simply one's capacity to perceive an empirical statement, either you get it or you don't. While I would be saddened if you didn't, I would appreciate if if you said so now, so I could give up trying to change your mind.
"I find it my duty to try any way I can to purge it from your head."
It's not your duty.
"I want you to honestly read what I have written in the posts on this blog, and tell me I'm wrong. "
You're wrong.
"This isn't something debatable"
I'm debating it, are you?
"Do you not watch television?"
I rarely watch corporate news, as the propaganda sickens me within seconds.
"are you getting all your info on the matter from neo-socialist idiocracies like BuzzFlash and Eric Blumrich?"
Haven't been to Buzzflash in ~2.5 months.
"they bring pundits ALL THE FUCKING TIME that say we need to get out of Iraq"
Do they suggest a military withdrawal, or also the withdrawal of American corporations, puppet leaders, and the CIA? Show me an interview transcript online so I can read what you're talking about.
"I don't want you bringing up hack numbers from the FCC that don't mean anything."
? Do you pay attention to Congressional activities? Did you read the news articles I posted?
You must substantiate your claims with references. In my line of work, you wouldn't get a seat at the discussion table.
I suggest you quit with the insults and start with your homework.
Wow, this is rich.
"I rarely watch corporate news, as the propaganda sickens me within seconds."
This single statement alone negates everything you just said, you're expecting us to take you seriously when you haven't even watched this "corporate news" for yourself?
Btw, what do you mean exactly by "corporate news". Should it be government controlled news? Aka, fascism? Or should all news be generated by PBS?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting CNN in the least, I think its grossly incompetent and doesn't cater to any higher state of thinking, and I leave it on in the background. However, your ill-conceived notion that it is "conservative" is totally outlandish, and to date you have been able to produce NOTHING to substantiate your claims beyond your own innuendo. Which means NOTHING because you don't watch it.
And yes, CNN regularly brings on people who advocate full withdrawal from Iraq, the CIA, contractors, the works.
I have far more imperative issues on my schedule than to hold your hand and dig up a transcript for you, you're a big boy, either Google it yourself or watch an hour of Lou Dobbs, its not that hard, and the info is there.
Oh, and btw, if CNN and MSNBC really are the "fascist" media networks you think they are, its funny how they regularly allow Bill Maher to call Bush the worst president in American history without so much as a criticism, and they allow Keith Olbermann to call Bush fascit and unamerican.
Yeah man, if this is your version of 1984, it ain't so bad.
"Btw, what do you mean exactly by 'corporate news.' "
News generated by a for-profit company.
"to date you have been able to produce NOTHING to substantiate your claims"
I pointed out that in the CNN Cafferty clip, he asserts we are "powerless to control" the violence, but doesn't suggest withdrawal or the UN.
"you haven't even watched this 'corporate news' for yourself?"
I used to watch it, it made me sick. To prevent becoming sick, I now rarely watch it.
The networks are conservative NOT because the are 100% pro-Bush 24/7, but because they debate false issues and hide the truth.
While it would take me hours to compile a list of conservative-leaning CNN segments, you merely have to find me one show. One interview. One transcript where the possibility of FULL withdrawal and/or UN intervention is strongly supported and not simply ridiculed.
Until you can do that, I consider your argument without merit and your position forfeited.
I reiterate: You won't find it.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=...com&
btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=...com&
btnG=Search
Google will find you nothing positive at CNN.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS.../21/
sun.03.html
CNN ridicule: "What sort of support could the president actually muster here?"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS.../28/
ltm.14.html
CNN won't cross the administration: "not be under the direct command of the United Nations. It would be a U.S. commander."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS...9/03/
se.14.html
CNN ridicule via McCain: "Blue helmets are very good at peace keeping. They're not any good at peace making."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS.../14/
ldt.00.html
CNN ridicule of the French, makes UN sound bad: "They want U.N. control over Iraq and they want the United States to bow out militarily"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS.../
cnnitm.00.html
CNN's Cafferty speaks blithely of the UN: "if the United States wants any help over there, they may have to give a lot."
Research time: 15 min
"sigh"
TK - you just got pwned.
In the source battle of this thread, the score is:
teh_guy: 10
TK: 0.0
Shall I begin my poesy?
"TK - you just got pwned.
In the source battle of this thread, the score is:
teh_guy: 10
TK: 0.0"
TRUTH.
Notice how, when presented with only facts and evidence, he gets quieter and quieter? It's the sure sign of being wrong.
To end the entire argument with "*sigh*" puts about the biggest possible definitive period on the end of the sentance possible on "TK is wrong."
If it's one thing that makes me happy, it's seeing people actually so much as admit that they were wrong in this way. That's happened here.
The end.
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