Tennessee Guerilla Women
We have some help from radio, too:
OPERATION TURN DOWN!!
http://mccaindemocrats.blogspot....-turn-
down.html
THURSDAY, MAY 15, 2008
OPERATION TURN DOWN!!!
Operation turn down comes from WILK-FM in PA. Corbett has started an on-line campaign to say we will not let the elites in Washington shove Obama down our throats. It is Hillary Clinton or we won't vote.....or vote John McCain in November. How ever you want to do it in November. Be sure to listen at 3pm -7pm est. tomorrow. E-mail him, call if you can and let him know we won't vote for Obama and tell him why. Stand up and be heard!
To e-mail go to this page and click on Contact Us pick Corbett and tell him why you won't vote Obama. This is just getting started.....There is a link on the left for Operation Turn Down for the future.
Corbett's Corner
Does America Deserve A Chauvinist-In-Chief?
Thursday, May 15, 2008
http://www.wilknetwork.com/pages...ages/
322229.php
Men call women "sweetie" at their own risk.
Try it at work if you doubt my advice. Step to your female supervisor and ask about a raise or maybe a promotion. No matter what her answer, respond with, "Thanks, sweetie."
After returning from a talk with the human resources officer, try it again, only this time with a female co-worker....
Some first-hand accounts from Hillary supporters on how petty and vile Obamabots are in positions of power...compare that with how classy Hillary is, telling supporters to turn off the chattering heads on tv and read a book instead!
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http://noquarterusa.net/blog/200...-can/#more-
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I got to shake her hand and said, “Hang in there Hillary, all the way to the end”. She yelled back, “I will”.
She then went to the stage, which was approximately four feet on my right and gave about a fifteen minute speech. She spoke about the media coverage and said not to watch the cable channels and read a book instead. She spoke about all the states that she had won and predicted that although Obama would win the delegate count, she would win the popular vote. She mentioned the West Virginia primary and said that the political leader in the last county to post results was a friend of Obama’s. She said that he wouldn’t post the results but the Clinton camp knew they had won so she decided to give her victory speech. He then began posting the county results but posted the worst results first.
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Great news about Hillary in CA too! Lucky Jes!
I saw her at a HUGE rally in Asheville but I was sitting way way back in the back and was DAMN lucky to find THAT seat! THOUSANDS were left outside because our MAYOR decided not to open up the BIGGER stadium. (she is an Obama supporter)
That is why I believe she came BACK a couple weeks later to Hendersonville (the town immediately to the South of Asheville) and there were THOUSANDS there as well. She wiped the floor with BO in Western NC.
Heartening words from the president of Emily's List!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8050902298.html
...over and over again the media and her opponents have claimed that she is defeated -- it's over, she can't win, she's a loser. And over and over again -- female voters poured out of their homes to cast their ballots for her....
It's not surprising that low-income working women are the cornerstone of Hillary's success. Many of these women live on the edge of disaster. A pink slip, a family member's illness, a parent who can no longer live alone, a car that won't start or a mortgage rate that goes up -- all are threats that could devastate the family. And yet these women ... put on a confident face...They don't quit. They suck it up and fight back against whatever life throws their way.
They see in Hillary Clinton a candidate who understands the pressures they face. As they watch her tough it out against all odds, refusing to quit and continuing to compete against whatever the media and her opponents throw her way, they see a woman as tough and resilient as they are...
Why on earth should one candidate quit before the contest is finished? Democrats need not be so fainthearted. ...We simply need to count every vote, let the remaining states have their say and see the process through to its conclusion.
Hillary Clinton ... has a responsibility to play the game to its conclusion. For the women of my generation who learned to find and channel their competitiveness, for the working women who never falter in the face of pressure, for the younger women who still believe women can do anything, Hillary is a champion. She's shown us over and over that winners never quit and that quitters never win. ... And we hope that when the final whistle blows, we will have elected the first female president and the best president our country has ever had.
hey, Hillary is the stronger candidate but sheesss... I can't believe you'd be so bitter as to boycott Obama if we can't get Hillary. I hope you get over it. We need to come together, maybe Hillary will pull it out. or VP. I used to read your blog alot but this is absurd.
You go, no need for that pesky Roe V Wade, you can just learn to fall down stairs when you want to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, wooo
Radio Talk Show Host Steve Corbett from Hillary’s home town in PA
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Hillary was born in a hospital in Chicago. PA wasn't on the radar until the primary.
So lets be clear here, these people are saying that if they cannot win in a fair rules based contest then they'll resort to blacmail?
I just want everone to understand that this line of thinking effectively eliminates the prospect of ever having a liberal coalition. Clearly these people think that they can win without Obama's supporters. This is called a no win scenario because either way you run the risk of losing half the democratic party.
So in the end you'd like the DNC to decide which part of their coalition they should commit to losing (not just now but perhaps for along time) white women/"hard working americans" or African Americans/"creative class" liberals etc.
Again, assuming Hillary is given the nomination (and she only does that at this point by ignoring the delegate count, the popular vote and the number of states won) HOW CAN HILLARY WIN WITH ONLY HALF THE COALITION? You think you're angry...imagine the rage that will erupt when people see that the nom is given the nomination in a back room deal?
I would say this....doing that would be the perfect time for the GOP to retake the african american vote in a big way. Open betrayal is not something that I see that community taking lightly.
"You go, no need for that pesky Roe V Wade, you can just learn to fall down stairs when you want to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, wooo"
Oooookaaaay.
Let me get this straight. One more time, men are THREATENING us with the fact that we are the child bearers. Throw ourselves down the stairs? Your true colors are showing and they ain't prety, pal.
I get it.
I get it.
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What do you propose that women do in the event that Roe would be overruled?
As best I can tell, at least 20 states have trigger laws which would ban abortion, with very limited exceptions, if Roe is repealed.
Don't be so sexist! It won't just be women voting against Obama in the fall, we Democratic men will be happily pulling the lever for McCain, too! 
Several months ago I said here that I would not vote for Barack under any circumstance. It is the sexism and the credentials and the numerous dubious associations that have disqualified this man in my opinion and obviously the opinion of many, many other women.
I'm excited to see that women of means, by that I mean women who are capable of organizing nationally, are coming together to organize this movement to show the DNC, once and for all, that we want take it anymore.
My hope is that the folks who organize this serve up the entire platter of concerns and complaints about Barack Obama with the misogyny exhibited by the MSM the DNC and the Obama Campaign, at the very top of the list.
The DNC can KMA!!!
Thank you for providing all the text. Too many sites just put up videos. Given that many of Clinton's supporters are older women, bloggers - especially those who want to be read by us older women - should realize that the rate of hearing impairment goes up with age.
For me, videos do nothing because the speakers on my laptop are not loud enough for me to hear.
Thank you, thank you, for including another "invisible" segment of the voting public by providing text as well as a video.
"What do you propose that women do in the event that Roe would be overruled?"
Steve -- I meant it when I said I don't care to hear a man threaten me with Roe.
And I have this to say to axt123, regarding his "throw yourself down the stairs" comment:
How about this, pal -- How about we start throwing the men who impregnated us down the damned stairs?
Fuck the stairs.
Let's chew their heads off after sex!
"Let me get this straight. One more time, men are THREATENING us with the fact that we are the child bearers. Throw ourselves down the stairs? Your true colors are showing and they ain't prety, pal.
I get it.
Patsi in Nashville | 05.16.08 - 6:56 am | # "
How exactly are men "threatening you" by menntioning RvW? A threat would be saying..."we'll repeal RvW if you don't vote for our candidate.
What these people are saying is that THE REPUBLICANS will take it away from you given the chance. That's not a threat that's a promise and you know it. McCain has already said that he intends to stack the USSC with anti-choice people. He want it to be a litmus test. How is saying that we must never give him the opportunity to do that "threatening" you or women in general. The people threatening you are the ones that want to take your rights away. Those are the people that you want to help gain the presidency? The priorities on display here seem way out of whack. No matter what you think of Obama, you can guarantee that you will get pro-choice candidates for the court.
Obama didn't rack up a lead in delegates by having party leaders bully Clinton, he did so by winning delegates.
Nobody is forcing Hillary out, she is free to run until the primary is finished...at that point, its up to her to decide if she wants to take it to the convention, or accept the outcome of the 55 contests.
Obama didn't create the rules, Obama didn't have people on the committees that stripped Florida and Michigan of their delegations, Obama didn't create caucuses; he played the game by the rules set by others, and it appears he will win because of it. To be sure, there were probably some who voted for Obama because of misogyny, but there were also people who voted for Hillary because of racism and bigotry.
If Obama supporters gave a crap about choice, they would have set the hope bong down for a moment and supported the candidate most likely to beat McCain in the fall. They would have rallied around Hillary, not the guy who has waffled all over the place about abortion.
Don't try to dump your mistake on me. I won't be threatened with Roe and fear mongered into supporting Obama. Womens rights are a non negotiable demand, not crumbs we're tossed by The Chosen One.
Patsy, exactly. Yet another lie-by-omission partnership for the media and the fauxgressive boys. Legal abortion is as much about a man's right to sexuality as it is a woman's. Only the fact that the right wing deliberately chose a method that punishes women for sex and lets men go scott-free lets men even pretend that it isn't about them too. The media use the very transparent Orwellian big lie that it’s about morality and the faugressives cowards parrot them. And of course said cowards identify much more with even a potential male than they do with any living woman.
I once said to yet another self righteous libertarian male pontificating about how wrong abortion is “Of course that means you don’t have sex and won’t until you’re married and want to be a father, right?” He went off into this long convoluted argument about how if he gets in a car to drive and then has an accident, that isn’t his fault. He was just driving and the accident happened. In other words, he can cause abortions (they wouldn’t be needed if men didn’t have sex with women), but he shouldn't suffer any punishment because he didn’t mean for anyone to become pregnant. That’s the way most men see any consequences of sex – something women’s evil bodies decide to do to boys who just wanted to have fun.
Nobody's taking away Roe V. Wade unless women allow it! And it's has nothing to do with who appoints the justices.
As proven by the Roe V. Wade decision many who decided in favor were appointees of Republican Presidents. Again yesterday we saw in California that their State Supreme Court, dominated by Republican appointees, decided in favor of gay marriage, even though the citizens of the State of CA voted in favor of an initiative that defined marriage as a contract between a man and a woman.
This is about the pressure that comes from WOMEN, not about who is the President. It is about the truth of self determination, equality and justice as defined in our Constitution.
If you think Barack Obama, who was 9 when Roe V. Wade was decided, will wage the good fight for your reproductive rights then vote for him, but STOP threatening those of us who fought a long treacherous battle to give you those rights. We deserve better than condescending threats.
"So lets be clear here, these people are saying that if they cannot win in a fair rules based contest ..."
Who said anything about "fair rules" Lana? That's as far as I read. You've obviously been MIA. A perfect patsy for the Dimwits at DNC who moved certain states up to give Obamessiah an advantage and punished the states that would've given Hillary the advantage: right down to breaking their own rules that if rethuglicans caused the problem they would only punish by 50% not 100% as in the case with Florida.
Now, run along and get another clue, this time all on your own.
As far as all these BOY TROLLS so interested in Roe v Wade all of a sudden. Good! You boys can help the young ladies who have been too busy watching Bridezillas on MTV to lift a finger for their own rights. This perimenopausal woman is tired of fighting for them...
"What do you propose that women do in the event that Roe would be overruled?"
Let you and the young ladies go figure it out.
Or maybe break out the popcorn while watching who runs around like the proverbial chicken with its head chopped off.
If they're gonna pass out in the aisles over the mediocre likes of Obama cribbing other people's sermons they'll always have their fond memories, won't they?
"Let's chew their heads off after sex!"
Too funny!! Paula, you can fit "Mantis" in right between Nancy and Millstone!!
"... if he gets in a car to drive and then has an accident, that isn’t his fault. He was just driving and the accident happened..."
omg, Lexia...I guess the mental exercise was too much for him! I'd love to see him try that one on a judge in the case of a driving accident that injured another!
Oh! Maybe he could blame the POTHOLE in the road that is crumbling because his Libertarian rightwing friends don't believe in taxes!
I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states. And I don't believe the Supreme Court should be legislating in the way that they did on Roe v. Wade. - McCain
MR. RUSSERT: Now, [Supreme Court] Justice [Antonin] Scalia, as you know, believes that Roe v. Wade, which made abortion legal in this country, was incorrectly decided. Do you agree with him?
McCAIN: Yeah, I certainly do to some degree because it was based on medical knowledge and technology at the time that indicated that babies are, children are not viable at its earliest stage as they are today. So it certainly wasn't based on sound, up-to-date medical technology. We save babies every day that are premature at a very early stage. Thank God.
"What do you propose that women do in the event that Roe would be overruled?"
Steve -- I meant it when I said I don't care to hear a man threaten me with Roe.
Patsi in Nashville | 05.16.08 - 8:32 am | #
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I'm not threatening anyone with Roe. McCrazy wants Roe overturned. He's the one threatening, not me. My question was simply what women would do in that event? Where would they go to get abortions? Etc.
Nobody's taking away Roe V. Wade unless women allow it! And it's has nothing to do with who appoints the justices.
As proven by the Roe V. Wade decision many who decided in favor were appointees of Republican Presidents.
CarolynKB | 05.16.08 - 9:02 am | #
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It proves that 35 years ago, the republican party bears no resemblance to the republican party of today. And the majority approving of Roe is presently 5-4, and those 5 are all republicans.
Above should read:
Should read, "those 4 are all republicans."
To those child bearing female supporters of The One most threatened by an overturn of Roe v Wade: he won't be calling you in the morning, honey. Wise up.
First, RvW has always been the come hither getter. What has it gotten us: No Health Care Reform, No Health Access and No advancement.
Zee was correct in how they sold us Arnold (the gropper) by the same method of an "Oprah" endorsement. She didn't provide any equal time to the other candidates and it didn't matter that women said they were sexually harassed by him. Now, Oprah comes out and give the less qualified candidate her endorsement while claiming she never has endorsed?
So, the pattern was their from the beginning.
"hey, Hillary is the stronger candidate but sheesss... I can't believe you'd be so bitter as to boycott Obama if we can't get Hillary. I hope you get over it. We need to come together, maybe Hillary will pull it out. or VP. I used to read your blog alot but this is absurd.-
william "
William it isn't about being bitter, it is about having had enough. We women have been taken advantage of by the very system that says it is protecting us. Today in America a woman may need 4 men to attest to a rape because 3 women eye witnesses aren't enough.
De Anza Rape Case
http://cbs5.com/local/
de.anza.ra...e.2.716696.html
Oh, and don't forget Gerry Brown would like to be Governor and then your President to protect your right to chose. In the mean time he will let rapist go free... I mean why interview the witnesses?
So, bitter, no! We are just realizing that they have to earn our vote and treat us with a little respect and dignity.
RESPECT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-
...feature=related
EQUAL TREATMENT and Human Rights for All WOMEN...NOW!
"What do you propose that women do in the event that Roe would be overruled?"
Roe v. Wade is in place because of feminists. We fought like mad for it. The women who followed us--a large majority of them--don't believe that sexism and misogyny is much of a problem. Some say it isn't a problem at all. I am through with these women, and with fighting for their rights. I fought for them for decades, but their self-loathing is more powerful than feminism. I doubt that the overturning of Roe v. Wade would even disturb them that much. All the other horrific things done to women in this country don't seem to bother them.
If Obama wins, Roe vs. Wade is no safer than if McCain wins.
Obama will sell ANYTHING. What makes you think he will protect women's rights?
I mean, how has he done so far?
Yet again, the Democratic Party finds a way to screw up a sure thing.
The MSM played a major role in setting this up as a competition between major core constituencies, and the Democratic leadership--lazy, dull, and uncaring, for the most part--did not bother to resist the set-up, since they have not bothered, in forty years of losses, to develop an identity.
So are we condemned to the hateful, dripping filth of endless war (McCain now says "by 2013", AKA "After my re-election."), a fascist judicial system, driving people crazy about their jobs and healthcare, and running up the credit card until the Chinese force us to declare bankruptcy? So it seems.
Thank Godde I'm old enough that I shouldn't have to put up with this shit for too much longer.
A perfect patsy for the Dimwits at DNC who moved certain states up to give Obamessiah an advantage and punished the states that would've given Hillary the advantage: right down to breaking their own rules that if rethuglicans caused the problem they would only punish by 50% not 100% as in the case with Florida.
Zee, this is nothing put paranoia. The rules for the primary were set before Barack Obama got into the race. The committees which decided the rules were stacked with Clinton loyalists. When Michigan and Florida were stripped of their delegations, Harold Ickes (Hillary's co-chair) voted in favor of the move. Hillary Clinton never once issued a press release or statement condemning the actions of the DNC rules committee, until after the primaries were held.
I resent the insinuation that my not voting is a Threat. If BO is the nominee, I will not vote for him. Not a threat, an assurance.
"Roe v. Wade is in place because of feminists. We fought like mad for it. The women who followed us--a large majority of them--don't believe that sexism and misogyny is much of a problem. Some say it isn't a problem at all. I am through with these women, and with fighting for their rights. I fought for them for decades, but their self-loathing is more powerful than feminism. I doubt that the overturning of Roe v. Wade would even disturb them that much. All the other horrific things done to women in this country don't seem to bother them.
Diane | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 9:48 am | # "
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The only people that can destroy RvW are the people here that will only support ONE of the candidates that are pro choice. You'd throw the uther candidate under the bus. Is the argument that only a woman can defend choice?
Its surprising that people here seriously think its rational to help the side that OPPOSES everything you stand for because your chosen nominee lost.
If Obama supporters did the same to a Hillary nomination, what would your response be?
Also. I heard an interview with Scalia a couple of weeks ago and He said (paraphrasing) a precedent is a precedent and he (even being the very conservative justice he is) would not overturn any standing decisions.
So now , liberals, progressives and feminists need to go on what has been labelled the vrwc(like O'reilly) to get heard. What irony!
Well, I don't believe anything Scalia says, but, however, ahem, this is not the 1970s. The illegal drug that is widely in use in Mexico is also available here. And it's cheaper than the price of an abortion.
We had JANE in the 1970s. Some brave souls can duplicate that effort if Roe were to actually go down. I don't think it will -- precisely because that act would enrage women everywhere and then we'd start demanding little things like respect and maybe even some of the many rights that women in other advanced and even un-advanced nations enjoy. (Ex: 5 countries do NOT mandate some form of paid maternity leave, yep, USA and 4 dirt poor nations.)
Frankly, the only time women get rights in America is when enough of us get enraged. I'm there.
egalia:
I understand your frustration to some degree but understand that many of the attacks against Obama smack of racism that is every bit as aweful as the sexism you hate.
This article on the Boston Herald today makes the point better than I could:
"LET'S SAY Hillary Clinton's remaining primary rival were not Barack Obama but a white male. Suppose she were ahead in pledged delegates, led in the popular vote in DNC-approved contests, had raised the most money, and had attracted the most contributors.
more stories like thisLet's further suppose that her rival had responded to her success by suggesting he might pick her as his vice-presidential nominee. And that, as she gained more momentum, he asserted that superdelegates should nevertheless make him the nominee because he could attract the working-class voters the party needed to win in the fall.
Clinton supporters would likely find those suggestions sexist.
And yet Clinton and her camp have made the same suggestions in this campaign. Clinton's political arguments have found a broad acceptance among her backers - an acceptance that's hard to imagine if a similar case were made by a lagging rival in a race Clinton led.
And even as those arguments are offered, some of Clinton's backers, as well as some commentators, seem convinced that sexism and double standards are among the principal reasons she has fallen dauntingly behind Obama.
Now, I wouldn't assert for a second that sexism is extinct. It, like racism, is real, and one would have to be purposely oblivious not to notice it in our culture. Further, there are plenty of unhinged Hillary haters out there. And whatever the motivation, we've also seen some exceedingly silly media stories about Clinton. High among them rank the deconstruction of her laugh and the attention focused on a Clinton outfit that showed a bit of cleavage on the Senate floor. (How that must have shocked the chaste and ascetic monks who have long inhabited that storied chamber!)
People are right to decry boorish anti-Clinton comments, offensive jokes, and the bilge, bile, and billings-gate of the talk-radio blowhards, as well as occasional over-the-top utterances from cable commentators.
But let's not mistake the Bruegelian sideshow for the political mainstream. Even allowing for all that stupidity, the notion that sexism is primarily to blame for Clinton's woes doesn't pass logical muster.
Consider: Last fall, Clinton was widely judged the prohibitive front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination. In early October, she led Obama by a staggering 53 percent to 20 percent in the Washington Post/ABC News poll. At that point, her average lead in national polls was 20 percentage points.
Therefore, if gender bias really were the cause of her primary problem, one would have to posit that a epidemic of resurgent sexism suddenly infected the country late last year."
http://www.boston.com/bostonglob...s_sexism_dodge/
That in a nutshell is why the "all sexism, all the time" complaints are infuriating to feminist types who support Obama.
Diane, maybe sexism isn't as much of a problem. Did you ever think that was possible. Similarly, I have to remind my father and others who were around for the struggle that racism isn't as big a deal.
Seems like you and Reverend Wright are living in the past.
Sexism and racism both exist but not to the levels that people like you and Wright indicate.
AGB, Thank you for posting that article. You can bet with absolute certainty that many women here would be enraged (and justifiably so). It would be called sexism of the highest order. Yet they think its ok to do that to Obama.
Egalia, or anyone....
Let's assume that Hillary is given the nomination....what is your strategy to win in November?
What's the strategy for victory once you throw Obama's constiuencies under the bus....?
Is ANYONE willing to answer this?
Precisely.
In a scenario where all of the Hillary folks get their dream and the party give Hillary the nomination, the entire democratic process will have been turned on its head. Obama leads in every category of judgment. Hillary's only remaining argumnt is that she wins the popular vot if you count Florida and Michigan (which includes a state where Obama wasn't on the ballot) and then pretend that the caucus states don't exist (I thought we were concerned about every state's opinion counting?).
You will be telling the majority of democrats that their vote doesn't matter and that the party knows better than the do. Hillary cannot win without the african american vote and they may not support her if that happened.
Obama has won the contest based on the rules everyone agreed to at the beginning.
When Clinonistas push to throw the rules out of the window for the sake of their candidate, it sends the wrong message.
TGW, have you read over at Riverdaughter's that Obama's campaign may be paying people to come in and elbow Clinton bloggers on their blogs. Funny how the trolls come in all together. I think the rumour may be true.
ABG get with Lana and maybe you can make some cheddar.
AGB, "isn't as much of a problem" is the best you can do? Yes, women can vote and buy houses without their husbands' permission and can get jobs as roofers and anchorwomen. But that leaves the massive problems of rape, sexual assault, erosion of reproductive rights by church-sponsored pharmacists, lack of child care, very sub-standard cardiac care and reproductive health care, spousal abuse, omission from auto safety standard tests, sexual harrassment in the workplace, armed forces rape, getting barraged with sexual insults while we walk down the street, being called "weak" if we show vulnerability and a "bitch" or a "ball-buster" if we are assertive, being called a "guy" and a "dude" every time we turn around, running for office and having our hair, our skirts, our voice pitch, and our husbands' sex lives become the important issues, making 70 cents for every dollar a man makes doing the same job, being rated "average" or "poor" for doing and saying exactly the same thing a man says or does and for which he is rated "excellent," being bullied by the community, the church and the family to have children whether we want them or not, being expected to "balance" family and career when men are never expected to do this, being raped and having judges tell us it was our fault, hearing endless "jokes" that insult our bodies, our age and our sexuality, and, believe me--I have just scratched the surface here.
And the last I checked, African Americans were still being pulled over on the highway for no reason, hyper-monitored in department stores, called really vile names, denied housing because of their race, referred to as lazy and criminal, executed by the government for committing crimes their white counterparts do not die for, and accused of hating white people if they so much as point out the oppression under which they live.
"I confess to being a man who has not always seen what his female friends and colleagues see as sexist in this race."
ABC's Jake Tapper: http://tinyurl.com/59cpvm
Yes, I've seen that a few places Kitty. They're saying it's 400 bloggers. If true, I'm sure we'll be able to document it. They are not quite as brilliant as they perceive themselves to be.
LOL, No quarter has a picture of Kennedy on C-span wearing a snorkel. Democrats, leaving women under the bridge since 1969.
Shirley Chisholm belonged to the tenacity wing of the Dem party. But I guess Dems preferred McGovern and his two state strategy.
Thank you, Diane! I'm going to go email you now.
When Clinonistas push to throw the rules out of the window for the sake of their candidate, it sends the wrong message.
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The right message is that women exist to make men strong and powerful. Clinton should get out of the race because weak little Obama can't beat the gurrl, not even with the entire DNC dogpilling on top of her - she is stronger than all of you boys combined. So therefore she is destroying the Democratic party, which would rather go down in flames than elect a popular, strong, female candidate.
When Obama says "oh I'll get her voters but she won't get mine", everyone understood he was saying, "don't vote for her - be loyal to me, and we'll win". Well, guess what, that is coming back to bite you in the butt. This is happening because we heard that black voters want Obama or else they'll hold their breath til their little faces turn blue and they'll stamp their little feetsies. They didn't want this to be about issues or fair elections, they wanted this to be about identity politics and rioting at the convention. Well, blacks are 13% of the population and women are 51% of the population, so get ready for us to out foot-stomp you.
This is happening because we heard that black voters want Obama or else they'll hold their breath til their little faces turn blue and they'll stamp their little feetsies. They didn't want this to be about issues or fair elections, they wanted this to be about identity politics and rioting at the convention.
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and btw I sort of misspoke, because I don't believe it's the black voters who are being infantile, infantile is being done in their name.
AGB, "isn't as much of a problem" is the best you can do? Yes, women can vote and buy houses without their husbands' permission and can get jobs as roofers and anchorwomen.
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Diane, here's a question for you: which constituency still faces significant problems with the existence of slavery right here in America today?
Seriously, paranoid delusions...Obama's campaign is not paying people to leave comments on blogs, out of the 1.5 million people who have donated to his campaign, I'm sure there is a large handful willing to defend their candidate without pay.
I believe Obama is paying fools to post comments on the internet. But he's sure not getting his money's worth.
Okay, okay. How about this: Vote for McCain. I'm sure women will be lots better off with him as prez.
How exactly are men "threatening you" by menntioning RvW? A threat would be saying..."we'll repeal RvW if you don't vote for our candidate.
What these people are saying is that THE REPUBLICANS will take it away from you given the chance.
Lana | 05.16.08 - 8:44 am | #
But we KNOW Obama is for reproductive freedom, because of all those "present" votes! Well, maybe he didn't take a stand, but we BELIEVE in him to do the right thing! WE KNOW he respects women; that whole "sweetie" thing could just as easily have been said to a male reporter!
I'm 54 years old, and if RvW is overturned, today's young women can do what I had to do in 1970: leave the country (after a very scary experience involving a 90-year-old former doctor who got around with arm canes) for a modern, clean facility with qualified doctors. If the little girls don't think misogyny is a problem, let them live in the real world for a couple year and then fight their own battles. And gee, won't it be a big surprise to discover that after years of working your butt off and getting no recognition and no raises and no promotions, because you might have children, see, so they don't want to invest any resources in you, that when you are past your child-bearing years, well, the young man over there has children to support, so good old reliable you can just work the extra hours he has to take off to play ball with his son and STFU. They can see how they like being called "sweetie" by an obnoxious, arrogant little pr*ck then. They can decide if they really want to vote for a man who stands for nothing, apparently, except himself, because he's so good looking and talks so nice and is so cool and young and fresh.
Diane:
Nowhere did I indicate that racism or sexism have disappeared. My name indicates that I am still very aware (and angry at both) when they occur.
I am more concerned about the damage done when we over-victimize ourselves.
When i hear some of the rants (where everything and anything is sexist or racist) I look at Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and wonder if they don't have female counterparts.
Everybody please take a big breath and count to ten. Think nice calming thoughts and enhance your calm.
If Hillary losses it has nothing to do with anything other than fundamentals. She is the mistress of her campaign, she is ultimately responsible for the end results.
First off it was Hillary who stressed loyalty over competence in her team. Mark Penn and Patti Solis Doyle were her choices. No one on team Obama or in the Moron Media forced those selections on her. Unfortunately she was ill served by both. There was no plan B for after Super Tuesday, there was no ground game for the caucuses. She got blind sided in February because of that. Let us take one for instance. There is a claim that Obamabots intimidated caucus goers into voting for their man. Really? Clinton could not find a few Teamsters to push back with? Caucuses are an acid test of your organization or in Clinton's case disorganization.
Take the Frat-Pack moron media; please. Clinton knew she had problems from day one with this bunch. She needed to push back on the Corporate Media right from the start of her campaign. Instead of running as Ms. Inevitable she should have come out as a scrapper; she should have pointed out how a woman as president is high mountain to climb. When Obama and Edwards ganged up with Terrible Timmy on her she should have found a way to pivot on the issue of misogyny. It is not like she did not see something like that triple squeeze play coming.
Like is or not Obama ran the better campaign for a change year election. He was a better candidate for a change election. This not to say he is actually the better person for the job of president, you Tennessee women know that that position is filled by your former Senator and Clinton V.P. Al
Gore. But Big Al did not run this year.
Making lemonade out of lemons, Obama's nomination and possible election will leave us with no illusions. We will know that we will have to constantly push back on Obama to get what we want. In the end it is up to us to get the government to work for us. Get active; stay active.
Its interesting that no one here is willing to answer the question of how willary win's the general election if Obama's supportors follow your lead and refuse to vote for her.
People here have decided that the only way for women to have justice for this is to support having a woman as president. Obviously people who vote for Obama think sexism is a good thing right...so how does she win.
How are you going to woo black Americans back to your cause now that you've spit on the first viable (and likely last) black president. (and there should be a certain amount of shame expressed here given the fact that for the first time in over 200 years a black man actually has the chance at that office yet you'll refuse to support him because he beat a white woman).
I suspect that most black Americans won't be shocked in the least. Quite a few black female bloggers have already talked about the ease with which many white feminists have dismissed the historic nature of his candidicy...or for that matter have lumped Obama ,and black men in general, in with a good ol boys network).
I believe Obama is paying fools to post comments on the internet. But he's sure not getting his money's worth.
yttik | 05.16.08 - 12:16 pm | #
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for real. I wonder if he has a money back policy.
If Hillary losses it has nothing to do with anything other than fundamentals. She is the mistress of her campaign, she is ultimately responsible for the end results.
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Actually, there is a real perception that the DNC is willing to do anything to keep Hillary from winning.
That's a real problem for the Dems come November.
I voted for Hillary and I support her staying in the race and even taking it to the convention, but I will never campaign against the Democratic nominee.
Electing President McCain doesn't help women or America. This is stupid.
Well look at all the men showing up. Obviously this promise has scared a few. Angry Black Guy can't even cite correctly -- even when including a link. The Boston Herald is not The Boston Globe.
We're sick of it. And we're sick of our anger being dismissed. Women are angry and you men (and Lana) can all take it somewhere else.
Tell you what else, if it's Obama, Nader gets my vote and just watch the usual crybabies scream. I hope more women consider that. The party fears Nader.
Lastly, it wasn't this group that floated a boycott first. It was Obama supporter,campaigner and surrogate Melissa Harris-Lacewell who threatened a brown out on Charlie Rose the night of Hillary won Texas and Ohio.
http://thirdestatesundayreview.b...ing-bad-
tv.html
For those of us paying attention, we're not drinking the Kool-Aid.
And let me plug another piece by Ava and C.I. blowing the roof off Amy Goodman (the Hustler publisher "journalist") and her little game of stacking the deck against Hillary:
http://thirdestatesundayreview.b...-
sometimes.html
Barack is a media created hype and, to use Ava and C.I.'s term, "Panhandle Media" has been the worst offender.
How did they keep her from winning exactly.
If they counted the two states she wants, she still loses.
Please explain in clear details what they are doing to stop her from winning.
Its bizzare that a feminist site is attempting to trash a candidates wife. She has proven herself to be as strong and opinionated as Hillary and many other presidential wives not named Laura. Yet you are attempting to trash a candidates wife based on RUMOR! Women ought to know better.
For all of you who feel the Obama campaign has been above "politics as usual", here's a link to a report given by a volunteer field organizer in Texas. I, too, participated in the caucus process in Texas and was appalled by the bullying tactics and the literal takeover of the process by the Obama camp.
I urge those of you who are interested in learning more about this man's campaign and how they will do "anything to win". BTW, he is not affiliated with the Clinton campaign.
This kind of stuff is just the tip of the iceburg of the dirty Chicago politics this guy and his subordinates are engaging in:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5...5/2/22818/
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"Please explain in clear details what they are doing to stop her from winning.
Angry Black Guy | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 1:43 pm | # "
You're trying to inject reason into this. That does not seem to work.
I cannot even get an answer to how Hillary can WIN with only half a party.
That would seem to be a pivotal question that any of her supporters should be able to answer. Yet no one will.
BTW, I hope Lana and ABG will take time to read about how their guy's campaign conducted itself in Texas.
Is this the change you've been waiting for? Not me.
I've been trying to run down the "whitey" thing about Michelle Obama and No Quarter claims to have verification of the tape by several sources:
Larry Johnson at No Quarter:
"I now have it from four sources (three who are close to senior Republicans) that there is video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church."
Actually, there is a real perception that the DNC is willing to do anything to keep Hillary from winning.
There is a real perception that Obama is a Muslim...both are about as equally valid.
"I'll never vote for Barack Obama. Never. Ever. Ever. Ever."
Count me in.
If he's the nominee, I vote Cynthia McKinney.
If I post information that shows that Hillary's campaign engaged in shady tactics, will it make any difference whatsoever.
Well what the heck:
"Lasky was also involved in the attempt by Clinton officials to remove Obama volunteers who had been sent to many polling places on primary day to check off the names of voters as they arrived so that the campaign's get out the vote workers would know which of their supporters had and hadn't voted. Clinton volunteers and local lawyers acting on behalf of the campaign demanded in Nashua, Concord and at least one other town that poll moderators ban the Obama volunteers from the polls, saying that their presence violated a state law stating that only the state party chairmen can delegate people to monitor the polls.
The Obama campaign countered that that law applied only to monitors who are at the polls to challenge potentially invalid voters, a practice that is usually limited to general elections and which their volunteers were not engaged in. The attorney general and Nashua city clerk confirmed this when they were called about the dispute, saying that the Obama volunteers were allowed as members of the public to observe the polls, as long as they didn't get in the way.
But the Clinton intervention at Ward 9 in Nashua nonetheless persuaded the moderator to ban the Obama observers. And the disputes, which dragged on for hours and grew quite heated, generally scrambled the Obama efforts to keep track of who was and wasn't voting, said Obama supporter Andrew Edwards, a rookie state representative assigned to observe the polls in Nashua, where Clinton ran up a big margin in her favor. Edwards was confronted by Lasky and by another veteran Democrat, state representative and Nashua Democratic chairwoman Jane Clemons, who he said issued a veiled threat during the dispute that he would face a stiff primary challenge in Nashua if he ran for reelection.
"The effect of it was that it basically disrupted our get out the vote operation," said Edwards. "My effectiveness that day [in checking off names] was less than 50 percent as a result of the people who kept coming in" to protest the observers."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/
t...or_granite.html
This, of course, will be ignored because when Hillary's folks do it, it's "empowering" no "illegal".
My point, of course, is that both Obama and Clinton have overzealous supporters and it is stupid to assert that either candidate is corrupt or whatever based on random incidents.
Again, both of these candidates are superior to anyone on the GOP side.
But someone has to win and someone has to lose and this was Obama's time to win.
The fact that Hillary lost does not mean that the other side HAD TO HAVE CHEATED TO DO SO.
That'sthe height of arrogance. As if it would have been impossible to beat Hillary fair and square.
Anything you do that does not support the Democratic nominee helps elect John McCain, who will have a profound effect on the Supreme Court.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Anything you do that does not support the Democratic nominee helps elect John McCain, who will have a profound effect on the Supreme Court.
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And if the Democratic party is dumb enough to nominate Obama, then I will personally do my part to deliver Ohio to McCain.
Sorry to Hillary Clinton who wants us to follow the party off a cliff, but I won't do it, and neither will anyone else who really votes Democrats because of the values the Democratic party is supposed to stand for.
err votes for Democrats, I mean.
At one point, one of the women on this blog called Michelle Obama an ape.
That's how low it has gotten.
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You know, Michelle Obama is an ape. Not because she is black, but because of how she behaves.
In case you hadn't noticed, animal like insults are not limited to blacks. Those of us who are "white trash" have to listen to the same insults, and they are part of our vocabulary, too. Here's just one example: We don't go to the opera house because we don't want to wear a "monkey suit" and thus be accused of "aping our betters".
But we understand: to you it's all about race. Everything is about race. Both because you hate white people so much and because you know your candidate Obama has nothing without his precious race card.
And btw Michelle Obama is herself a reason why Obama should not be elected to anything.
The woman is a disgrace.
I can be as vulgar as anyone, but at least I have the decency to know you try to put limits on foulness when you aspire to be First Lady - a position that neither Obama has shown much respect for. Well, guess what - it's a job description, too. And the idea of Michelle Obama as First Lady is disgusting. Not because she's black - I have known black people who live on little more than Michelle spends on piano lessons, who nonetheless have more class in their little finger than Michelle Obama has in her whole resentful body.
Michelle Obama rejects America and its values. Well, guess what, we reject her values, too.
My point, of course, is that both Obama and Clinton have overzealous supporters and it is stupid to assert that either candidate is corrupt or whatever based on random incidents.
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Obama is corrupt. There is no way for a man with NO experience, NO resume - has never even had a full time job - to get to be candidate for President, of a political party, while spouting a platform that is opposed to the party's actual values and positions - without help from a crooked political machine.
both of these candidates are superior to anyone on the GOP side.
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No - Hillary is.
Obama has to resort to paying people to go troll at pro-Hillary sites.
Actually, there is a real perception that the DNC is willing to do anything to keep Hillary from winning.
There is a real perception that Obama is a Muslim...both are about as equally valid.
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From http://riverdaughter.wordpress.c.../#comment-
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As Clinton supporters, we are deeply disturbed by the misogyny both displayed and tolerated by the media, Democratic party officials and office holders, and the campaign of Barack Obama. We demand the following:
1. that the misogynistic rhetoric against Clinton and her supporters be deemed unacceptable, ceased immediately and receive the same outcry that overtly racist rhetoric would.
2. that the calls for Clinton to concede her campaign cease immediately.
3. that Michigan and Florida be fully counted and their delegates seated before the nomination is decided.
4. that Barack Obama not declare himself the nominee before the convention, and the media cease to regard him as such.
5. that any discussion that labels statements from the Clinton campaign as racist, and assumes that Clinton supporters are racist by virtue of their support for Clinton cease immediately.
As lifelong Democrats, we are fully prepared to skip voting in the presidential race if our demands are not met, and if Obama is the nominee. Further, if the Democratic party proceeds with the contempt it has thus far displayed towards Clinton voters, we will refuse to vote in down party races as well.
We support Hillary Clinton in her quest for the Democratic nomination for the presidency because we feel she is the best candidate for the job, based on her decades long record of progressive accomplishment, her exceptional record as First Lady of both Arkansas and the US, her accomplishments as senator from New York, her platform and her performance on the campaign trail. We admire her ability to tackle and complete projects, her demonstrable values and her tenacity.
Sean, come back when the Democratic party has addressed point 1-5, and maybe then you can pretend the DNC didn't try to rig this thing.
Jacilyn:
Those points are crap and if you are going to try to hold Obama hostage to demands that make no sense, to hell with you.
Why you think I am being paid is beyond me.
Although it is fair to say that we are making you look bad in a way that approaches professional.
TGW, have you read over at Riverdaughter's that Obama's campaign may be paying people to come in and elbow Clinton bloggers on their blogs. Funny how the trolls come in all together. I think the rumour may be true.
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Yeah, right.
If you read it on the internet, you know it's true.
Sean, come back when the Democratic party has addressed point 1-5, and maybe then you can pretend the DNC didn't try to rig this thing.
jacilyn | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 5:06 pm |
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Who wants your support?
Perhaps you think you represent some wideworld of female voters. In my opinion you don't. Judging by many of the posts I've read here today, the views seem fringelike and a parody of feminism.
So by all means, stay home, vote for mccain, vote for bob barr. Like I said, when crunch time comes, I don't think your support will be needed
For the Obamabots
This November:
1. A write-in vote for Clinton, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
2. A vote for nobody, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
3. A vote for McCain, IS A VOTE FOR CLINTON
Hillary44 2008
or
Vote for McCane
Democrat controlled congress
"I suspect that most black Americans won't be shocked in the least. Quite a few black female bloggers have already talked about the ease with which many white feminists have dismissed the historic nature of his candidicy...or for that matter have lumped Obama ,and black men in general, in with a good ol boys network)."
This issuch a crock. How old are you, Lana? Do you remember what Stokley Carmichael had to say about the women working for Civil Ricvghts? It helped start the entire modern women's movement. Lana, stop being an enabler.
And how many threats can you throw out? Roe? Blacks? Hmm....you sound like one of those women who say, "Oh, for Pete's sake. Just take the beating and shut up. You probably brought it on yourself."
Yeah, go ahead and vote against Obama. Then wake up and find yourselves with a President McCain who will actively work against virtually every progressive measure you claim to care about, will appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn Roe vs. Wade, and who will sink this country even further into the abyss that Bush has us sliding into.
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING???
The Ego is astounding. No reason to vote for Hillary instead of The Chosen One except racism. Cause the world turns around Obama.
Hillary supporters are fed up with being called racist. Thank you SNL. It's one of the reasons DJ Steve Corbett is leading Operation Turn Down Obama. Broadcasting right now at:
http://wilknetwork.com/Why-I-m-T...n-Obama/
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WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING???
We're thinking of voting our conscience. How about you?
Steve -- I meant it when I said I don't care to hear a man threaten me with Roe.
And I have this to say to axt123, regarding his "throw yourself down the stairs" comment:
How about this, pal -- How about we start throwing the men who impregnated us down the damned stairs?
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Last biology class I went to it was the women that are pregnant. How's this? I think it's selfish that lesbians would throw their fellow straight feminists under the bus just to make some kind of point that no one will care about anyway. How bout them apples?
Gravatar If Obama supporters gave a crap about choice, they would have set the hope bong down for a moment and supported the candidate most likely to beat McCain in the fall. They would have rallied around Hillary, not the guy who has waffled all over the place about abortion.
Don't try to dump your mistake on me. I won't be threatened with Roe and fear mongered into supporting Obama. Womens rights are a non negotiable demand, not crumbs we're tossed by The Chosen One.
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No, women's rights are up to the Supreme Court. You can put "non-negotiable" demands on the table all day long and it won't matter with just one more conservative on the court.
aphrabehn, The point is...how can your CONSCIENCE live with what a President McCain would mean for this country?
" The Ego is astounding. No reason to vote for Hillary instead of The Chosen One except racism. Cause the world turns around Obama.
Hillary supporters are fed up with being called racist. Thank you SNL. It's one of the reasons DJ Steve Corbett is leading Operation Turn Down Obama. Broadcasting right now at:
http://wilknetwork.com/Why-I-m-T...-m-T...n-Obama/
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egalia | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 6:05 pm | #"
Wait just a minute....virtually every blog entry and every comment on this site suggests that the ONLY reason people support Obama is becase of sexism. That gets tossed arroung regularly in these parts. That there is some racism at play here is totally ignored.
Its sheer hipocrisy to say that all (or even most) of Hillary's problems are the result of her gender but then turn around and dismiss the notion that many of Obama's problems is because of race. Hell there have been comments here that were deleted because of racist content. Hell in West Virginia 20% of the respondents said that race was a factor in their decision making...and they voted for Hillary. Dening racims in this campaigh should be just as abhorent as denying the sexism.
Its a total double standard at work here. Calling people sexist or misogynist won't have any impact by the end of this since its been applied to anyone not supporting Hillary. You all really need to stop and take a look at your own behaviour.
Its silly to condemn people for the very behaviour you yourself engage in.
But we understand: to you it's all about race. Everything is about race. Both because you hate white people so much and because you know your candidate Obama has nothing without his precious race card.
jacilyn | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 4:53 pm | #
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Pot, meet Kettle.
Ahh, let 'em go cry. Hillary is done and everyone on her staff knows it. You know how many times a woman I don't know has called me "Honey"? Good Lord I'v never heard so much crying. But being a white middle class male professional I am not the one that will suffer due to their refusal to accept Obama won fair and square. Take your ball and go home. Florida knew exactly what it was doing when it moved it's primary. Hillary broke her pledge not to participate in Michigan while Obama stood by his. And listening to Hillary, there is no difference in her and McCain. At least Obama told Bush and McCain to shut the hell up today.
Someone really set out the kool aid this Friday. The mindless drones are sipping it up, or perhaps they are part of the 400. Hope your checks don't bounce.
Sorry Lana. There is a marked difference between making broad generalizations charging that a candidate's supporters are racist and documenting specific instances of sexism from media pundits, congressmen, Air America DJs etcetera, ad nauseum.
One is mainstream and very well substantiated. The other is a sweeping and obviously unsubstantiated generalization, as in the charge we hear so often: Hillary won West Virginia, so the state is obviously racist. Because he's The One.
Yeah, the kool-aid was plentiful today.
Brass Ass, get back to us when you actually tune into the media, watch the cable news channels, etc. And what was the name of that book written by a woman that you read?
Why are the obamabots so worried about whether we vote for McCain instead of Obama they have their candidate but they are soooo unhappy go away they will never get her supporters. They come around being so obnoxious what is their point.
hillary44 2008
or
McCain 2008
democratic controlled congress
Why are the obamabots so worried about whether we vote for McCain instead of Obama they have their candidate but they are soooo unhappy go away they will never get her supporters. They come around being so obnoxious what is their point.
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Not me. I don't care who supports who, as I said above.
No more holding my vote hostage over Roe v Wade. No to Obama for me. No to sexism. No to ENABLING the democratic party to partake in sexism. Time to hold them accountable.
This contest has been unfair from the beginning. The sexist media can take a flying leap. To the dems who haven't stood up against the sexism, this is your pay back. It makes no sense to support a party that no longer holds my values.
The dems have made their bed. Nitey nite!
Yeah, the kool-aid was plentiful today.
egalia | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 6:49 pm | #
It's amazing to me to see all of them flock to blogs like this and attempt to stem the bleeding by bullying us into voting BO - or threatening with Roe v Wade.
I mean.. they really just AREN'T helping their cause at all.
Empty threats Roe v Wade etc by an empty suit.
Nobama
I think it's a great time to let you all read how some of these delusional children actually think they can do the Be Nice To Them Program now and everything will be just fine. I believe most of these online Obamazoids are kids at home while their parents are at work busting their asses. They are the college kids who cut class to go caucus. Your Be Nice To Them Program is a failure already. You are sending us B-String children who can't get past the second post without acting like the savages you all are.
You need us. And you can't have us. We are not on the "same side".
Get bigger guns for us to ignore, will you? I mean, if you are going to stalk us, at least send somebody whose can state facts and read from talking points saying the same thing over and over and over. Clean up your acts.
Our goal is to make Barack Obama lose by an even bigger margin than George McGovern, and he got 38% thanks to his ill-behaved savage followers.
Obama will not get
The women who fight for rights
Italians w/their garlic noses
gays/lesbians who he refused tohave his photo taken with SF mayor
The Irish
The Catholic
The Latinos
They are MI AND FL
The Seniors
The Hicks with guns and blue collar workers
Real men who are horrified by your behavior toward women
The disabled who could not get to the caucas
The baby boomers
The Jews who had to hear Hamas say that they endorse Obama
We are not wanted by the party and we will watch Obama go down in November. Who will Care not us People who recognize ability, experience and knowledge will not support Obama.
Obama will not get
The women who fight for rights
Italians w/their garlic noses
gays/lesbians who he refused tohave his photo taken with SF mayor
The Irish
The Catholic
The Latinos
They are MI AND FL
The Seniors
The Hicks with guns and blue collar workers
Real men who are horrified by your behavior toward women
The disabled who could not get to the caucas
The baby boomers
The Jews who had to hear Hamas say that they endorse Obama
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Holy shit MARIE, you've nailed me. I am 7 out of the 13 things on your list! No wonder I don't like Barack, he hates ME!!! 
I would suggest to all of these young women who are worried about keeping their reproductive freedoms, DROP BARACK, SWITCH TO HILLARY AND ALL OF US OLD WOMEN WILL FIGHT FOR YOU TO KEEP YOUR CHOICES THE WAY WE FOUGHT FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE CHOICES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
lol
Brass Ass, get back to us when you actually tune into the media, watch the cable news channels, etc. And what was the name of that book written by a woman that you read?
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Sadly I do consume quite a bit of the MSM. And there's been a harsh, sexist double standard. But isn't it rather silly to blame Obama, not to mention every other Democrat who isn't a Clintonite? How about this: Every time someone tells me I shouldn't vote for Obama b/c he's Muslim, the precursor to blacks taking over the country, his middle name, because "we don't need no more Husseins" I'll come on this blog again and yell about how I would NEVER EVER EVER support Hillary because she refused to stand up to her supporters.
Makes sense, right?
I would suggest to all of these young women who are worried about keeping their reproductive freedoms, DROP BARACK, SWITCH TO HILLARY AND ALL OF US OLD WOMEN WILL FIGHT FOR YOU TO KEEP YOUR CHOICES THE WAY WE FOUGHT FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE CHOICES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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What a stupid, selfish thing to say.
selfish peeps for Hillary
Hillary44 2008
or
Mccain
ObamaNo
And for all of you guys who are worried about women losing choice I have 3 suggestions:
1.Condoms
2. Vasectomy
3. Abstinence
Did anyone catch Corbett's 'Turn Down Obama' radio show? I wasn't able to so I'm hoping for a report. He's calling Obama, Chauvinist-in-Chief. Heh.
Reclusive Leftist has the story about the Chauvinist-in-Chief calling Barbara Boxer a "cutie" this was a year ago and he hasn't learned anything yet. This man is so not ready for prime time. It's astounding that someone his age refers to professional women in this way.
Obama calls Sen. Barbara Boxer “a cutie”
http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=927
Don't you know that every time someone says they won't vote for Obama, God kills a puppy?
gr8t one carolyn
What a stupid, selfish thing to say.
BrassAss
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We can't all be generous the way you are.
Most of us don't even want to try.
No it doesn't make sense Brass because you are talking about lunatic individuals. Good luck holding lunatic individuals accountable.
We are talking about blatant out-of-control vicious sexism from the Mainstream Media, Congressmen, etc. In other words, we are talking about institutions and public officials who CAN be held accountable -- IF only anyone in the Democratic Party could get off their complacent asses.
From the pool report: April 9 2008
"[Obama] posed for report pictures with the staff when he apparently felt his phone start to vibrate in his pocket on his right thigh – against which one woman was closely pressed.
Obama in PA "Now that’s my phone buzzing there," he said, drawing a laugh. "I don’t want you to think I’m getting fresh or anything." (Found here.)
April 2008 Barack Obama engaged a woman in Scranton Pa yesterday: Obama asked a woman wearing a Hillary button if giving her "a KISS" would help change her mind to vote for him instead.
While flirting with female factory workers in Allentown, he called one "sweetie," a paternalistic way to address a woman if there ever was one.
Feb 2007
Obama, speaking at the Westin St. Francis in San Francisco, raised eyebrows Monday at a fundraiser for Sen. Barbara Boxer when, as we reported, the Illinois Senator described his Democratic colleague from California as "a fighter, a leader, a charmer, a cutie."
The remark "set off a lot of mumuring," said one Democratic strategist in attendance, "among a lot of very strong powerful women around Boxer there who were offended."
The descriptive of a powerful feminist senator raised "a strategic question: is (Obama) ready for prime time? You don't call a U.S. senator a 'cutie,'" said the strategist, whose take was echoed by others
May 14 2008
Chrysler Plant in Sterling Heights, asking a reporter to "hold on one second there sweetie" when she asked, "How are you going to help the American auto workers?" He said he would address it at what was then an expected media availability - not soon enough. "This sweetie never did get an answer to the question,'' the reporter told her viewers on the local channel 7. Update | 6:40 p.m. Mr.
Now Sweetie
And for all of you guys who are worried about women losing choice I have 3 suggestions:
1.Condoms
2. Vasectomy
3. Abstinence
CarolynKB
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You know, Carolyn, if the conservatives win, I bet we could do something about CHILD SUPPORT COLLECTION.
Then we'd see men taking notice, heh
Obama calls Sen. Barbara Boxer “a cutie”
http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=927
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Well it's ok for BO to call accomplished, profession women old enough to be his mother "cutie" because he's a manz!! Everyone knows that menz can call us girlz, chicks, bitches, hags, nags, whores, sluts, c...ts, witches, old woman, anytime they want because they are menz.
I wonder how many of her Male Collegues Barbara Boxer calls, stud, jock, hunk? Of course none of those apply to Barack so I'm sure she never called him any of those.
Don't you know that every time someone says they won't vote for Obama, God kills a puppy?
Fortunately for us, the Goddess would never do that.
Obama will not get
The women who fight for rights
Italians w/their garlic noses
gays/lesbians who he refused tohave his photo taken with SF mayor
The Irish
The Catholic
The Latinos
They are MI AND FL
The Seniors
The Hicks with guns and blue collar workers
Real men who are horrified by your behavior toward women
The disabled who could not get to the caucas
The baby boomers
The Jews who had to hear Hamas say that they endorse Obama
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By the way, hicks with guns and blue collars are three different groups:
blue collar workers
rural people
gun owners (don't even think they're all Republican. Not even in Chicago!)
menz
lol
We are not wanted by the party and we will watch Obama go down in November. Who will Care not us People who recognize ability, experience and knowledge will not support Obama.
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You are hardly "we the people". You only speak for yourself. You don't speak for all women, and you don't speak for all Clinton supporters.
And I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself.
And you do plenty of it!!!
She speaks for me. And my sister, and her daughters, and a whole lot of women at Riverdaughters and TalkLeft and Hillary 1000 and Taylor Marsh, and ....
Marie.....YOU CAN SPEAK FOR ME ANYTIME
Hell in West Virginia 20% of the respondents said that race was a factor in their decision making...and they voted for Hillary
So what about the other 80%? And keep in mind that we're just talking about about the people who registered Democratic and bothered to vote.
If it were some other state other than one that is 100% Appalachian, people might have looked at the results from last Tuesday and focused on the positive aspects. Rather than people saying, "wow, what a bunch of racists", people might have been saying that West Virginians tend to favor strong women who don't take shit off nobody.
There's a hundred ways you can spin this. But since Americans look down upon us as a people and a culture, they're going to focus solely on the negative.
And before anybody says anything- I don't care who wins this primary. I don't make the assumption that all black people smoke crack or belong to street gangs- no matter what the TeeVee tells me, I know it ain't true. All I ask in return is that people think before they charge me or any other West Virginian of being an illiterate, racist, inbred redneck.
And for all of you guys who are worried about women losing choice I have 3 suggestions:
1.Condoms
2. Vasectomy
3. Abstinence
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Item no. 1--repubs are hostile.
Item no. 2--religious wingnuts won't go for that, including hysterectomies.
Item no. 3--as a program, it's a failure.
Face it, repubs want the women to stay home and pop out babies By all means, vote for them.
right on
I will be the speaker of HaloScan.com-comments
lol
Who wants your support?
Perhaps you think you represent some wideworld of female voters. In my opinion you don't. Judging by many of the posts I've read here today, the views seem fringelike and a parody of feminism.
So by all means, stay home, vote for mccain, vote for bob barr. Like I said, when crunch time comes, I don't think your support will be needed
Steve | 05.16.08 - 5:40 pm | #
Not me. I don't care who supports who, as I said above.
Steve | 05.16.08 - 7:16 pm | #
Steve, pray tell, why ARE you here? If you don't need the support of people who support Hillary, I just don't get what the purpose of your presence here is. Why are you not at Daily shit, Shitblog HuffPoo or like sites?
And, whoever in the world designated YOU as the definer of feminism? One of the points of the feminist movement is that asshats aren't entitled to tell women how to act, what to do wear, say or how to say it, what to think or HOW TO VOTE.
I think it's abundantly clear by now who on this blog is planning to vote for whom, so why don't you and Brass whatever and Angry whatshisfink go somewhere where your pearls of wisdom are wanted so you can celebrate the coronation. Take Lana with you.
Believe us, we have heard you and Donna Buzzkill loud and clear: You don't need us or our votes. Thanks for giving us "permission" to vote for someone other than your sexy, sexy guy.
Does Clinton speak for you as well?
Yes I was wondering the same thing what's Steve's purpose. What's the point.
Believe us, we have heard you and Donna Buzzkill loud and clear: You don't need us or our votes. Thanks for giving us "permission" to vote for someone other than your sexy, sexy guy.
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I'm here because I like to discuss politics, not to convert anyone.
And who is this "us" you assume to speak for?
Why does it matter to you
Steve
Why does it matter to you
Steve
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Because using such rhetorical flourishes lends unwarranted credibility to someone's argument.
Speaking of Barbara Boxer, I wrote her a snail mail letter last week suggesting that she get on her grind. Her silence about the misogyny thrown at Clinton is not helping.
Per Brazile and Co.
From: Donna Brazile
Subject: RE: Switching to Republican Party - I'm a Hillary supporter
Date: May 7, 2008 7:48 PM
Honestly, this is the 9th email today, so I believe you're ready to not only
destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights.
Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non stop tax cuts to
the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq.
Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it.
Please don't send these emails to working people like myself. Notice you
sent it to my campus address. I am a working class person. Can you find
someone who drinks latte?
Message to the base: stay home.
As of today, I am not going to respond to any more anti American, Anti Democratic emails. Have a nice day.
I am sorry because you are sincere, but the Hillary forces are uncivil, repugnant and vile. When you come up for air and would like to email a person who cares about America and not just a personality, I will respond.
Thanks for your time and your interest.
Donna
And with Donna's permission.
Did any of you good and wonderful TGWers see some smuck on CNN tonight with Campbell Brown. I only caught the very end of it. He was arrogant as hell. He did his segment standing up and he tried to use some kind of thingy like John King's thingy. Anyway, his whole smarmy segment was about deconstructing Clinton's campagin, showing how her pictures are staged and how she is out there with no purpose and no one listening, blah blah blah. Where is this type of deconstructing with Obama and McCain?
....and if she is such a loser and no one is listening then why is he making a story about it?
TGWs, do I have any seconds on the rhetorical flourishes?
I don't PRESUME to speak for anyone other than those DB included in her "message to the base."
Over at CNN, Jack Cafferty is in near hysterics at the supposed GOP smear campaign being aimed at Michele!! Has he forgotten what Hillary has had to endure? What a bunch of ill gotten newsman these people are. You would think from the sound of it they were attacking his wife. Oh wait a minute, his wife isn't related to Mr Hope and Change.
The more you try the more you firm up our resolve to see to it that the fraud named Barack Obama and his seriously miserable clinically depressed wife, who thinks we should Affirmative Action both of them into the Presidency, never get to sit their radical asses in the White House
Hillary44 2008
or
mcCain
Michelle with her phrases
They owe us
Back people will wake up
Its our turn
Not proud of America
Mean ole America
Nope will never get it.
Jack Cafferty is always hysterical about something, usually about EVIL HILLARY. He's one of CNN's biggest haters.
I've tried to identify pro Hillary commentators at CNN, and I'm still searching. Wolf is at least not a hater.
Well maybe that isnt the job forole Jack because Michelle Obama is fair gameand they are going to have so much funnnnn with her.
Angry Black Woman.
The more you try the more you firm up our resolve to see to it that the fraud named Barack Obama and his seriously miserable clinically depressed wife, who thinks we should Affirmative Action both of them into the Presidency, never get to sit their radical asses in the White House
Hillary44 2008
or
mcCain
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Pretty amazing for a democrat and a female to use the affirmative action slur.
CNN in the tankers for the "Transcender":
Jack Cafferty
John King
Jeffrey Toobin
Donna Brazile
Michael Dyson
Wolf (not sure)
MSNBC in the tank for the "One":
KO
Tweety
Fineman
Alter
Maddow
Gregory
Wolffe
Mitchell
O'Donnell
Fox in the tank for the "Precious":
?
?
?
?
?
Guess it is Fox for me until this mess is over. At least (with the exception of Dick Morris) I am not subjected to the snarls and snarks thrown out every broadcast at Hillary.
No slur
JUST WORDS
Well she said it is thier time
Black people will wake up
Its our turn
ETC ETC ETC
TGW,
Erasing my comments doesn't change the fact that your supporters regularly engage in racist comeons as a commeuppance for the prevalent sexism waged on Hillary Clinton by the mainstream media.
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So you admit there is sexism and refuse to speak out against it. Real crusader.
I know Jack Cafferty, it wasn't him. It was some other guy, light hair, gray or blonde, not sure, somewhat tall. At first I thought it was John King, but it wasn't, someone different, newer I think. Very very smarmy.
And I cannot believe Henry Waxman's endorsement. L.A. county went 55 to Clinton 42 to Obama.
Kitty, what do you suppose happened to that "super delegates should be bound to their constituentcy's vote" business (Bill Richardson and Ted Kennedy, anyone?)? I suppose it's gone the same way as "if the will of the people is overturned by the superdelegates, I'll leave the party" went when Hillary surpassed Uh-bama in the popular vote. Trolls, I can hear you shrieking, and you'd better stop before you wake your moms up.
The pure rancor on the comments is getting out of control on both side
Even if the DNC put a hit out on Hillary from day one, which it did not, it is her responsibility to come up with a counter plan. Understood she would have to careful about how she would thread that particular needle so she did not come off as a whiner.
Who better than HRC knows the perils of running while female. Who better than HRC knew the shear animus to her husband and herself the media held? She was the presumptive leader when this particular dance began in Iowa. The bigger you are , the larger the target you are and when your name is Clinton that makes you an even bigger target.
HRC's biggest mistake was not pushing back immediately on the misogynist meme. She should have gone after Barack from day one. Instead she stayed far too detached for far too long. She did not explain how she too could be a transformative change candidate.
By the time she got her Blue Collar momma groove going it was too late. Even Taylor Marsh admits this. She was ill served by her campaign team But she should have replaced her team right after Super Tuesday. The team was supposed to get her nominated by that dead line. They did not. If she was as cold, calculating and ruthless as some would suggest she would have dumped them much sooner than she did.
Again, she was ultimate responsible for her campaign. She was ultimately responsible for the strategy and the tactics. She should have seen the difficulties ahead of her and responded much quicker. She is no babe in the woods. She cut her teeth on Arkansas politics which are the most brutal in the nation.
The passion for HRC on this blog is admirable. Even more so is the passion for gender equality. We can not however let our passions override our strategic mission. McCain is in no way an acceptable alternative to HRC nor to Barack. The man is no Maverick. Read "The Real McCain" by Cliff Schecter.
Your anger at the raw deal HRC got is understandable. Obama partisans have only added salt to the wounds. The boo-birds at Edwards announcement were crass and stupid. Obama needs the Clinton supporters if he is to win. It is time to grow up and act like adults. Edwards showed the way with his fulsome praise of HRC despite the boo birds interruption. It is way past time slagging HRC. It way past time acting like spoiled 5 year olds and screaming "na, na, na we won." Ever heard of being magnanimous? Can you possibly stop acting like twerps for the good of the party?
The Democratic party needs both A-A and women to win. They are the arms and legs of our body. Time to stop the threats, on both sides. It is way past time.
Gals, with McCain as president Roe is in serious peril as are many other things. McCain will nominate more Federalist Society stooges to the courts. Do you really want us going back to the 1880's? McCain will not only erase the New Deal but also the Progressive era too.
A vote for Hillary in the General is a vote for McCain, a vote for McKinney is a vote for McCain. Staying home is a vote for McCain. A vote for McCain is a vote for at least four more years of a Bush / Cheney leadership. Clear away the anger, clear away the passion. Look at it from a cold. stark, logical perspective. Read John Dean's trilogy on Bush if you have any doubts. The Republican Party has gone down the rabbit hole into crypto authoritarianism. No Republican can be trusted with real power. McCain especially can not be trusted.
This is not a threat; this is reality people. These are the cold hard facts. If you can't for for Barack then vote against McCain. We have only one shot at this. We have on only once chance at saving the nation. If McCain wins we are totally screwed. We condemn the next two generations to radical right wing rule. We become surfs to the new aristocracy.
One more time people. Time to cool the passions on both sides. Time to think and act strategically about the facts on the ground no matter how painful they might be. Obama partisans need to dial down the hostility to the Clinton folks. Clinton folks time to accept that that this was not her year. Time to have an adult conversation about both racism and sexism. Time to figure out how to beat McCain with what we have; not what we wished we had.
Well thats the campaign of change
When Hillary was ahead it was vote the will of the people
Then Brazile
The day after Super Tuesday, on the February 6, 2008, edition of CNN's Situation Room, Democratic political consultant, Super-delegate-at-Large and DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee member Donna Brazile said:
"If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this. ... There's no reason why we should decide this election. I feel very strongly."
The Change campaign.
i remember before Super Tuesday they were pushing obama's talking points stating that he just wanted t stay within 100 delegates of Hillary. So if he was a 100 behind it was still a contest.. and his campaign would still be in good shape.
Thanks for that list Pat. Isn't it remarkable how often the token media women agree with the menz? I guess they know how to keep their jobs. I see MSNBC finally let Craig Crawford back on the air. After he blasted his colleagues for Clinton bias, he was not invited back for a long time.
I wonder how long it will be before another woman has the heart to run for the presidency after all the lies and loathing they've dumped on Hillary?
Jeebus. Another troll who loves the sound of his own keyboard clacking.
marie, I heart you so much.
egalia,
There will be another woman and it will be sooner rather than later. That woman will be much better prepared, she will know where many of the mines will be. She will know where her real support lies. She will know that most of the "progressive" blogosphere will not be her friends. She will know she will have to constantly push back against the Corporate Media. She will know that she must come right out of the box as a take-no-prisoners fighter.
egalia, there will be another female candidate and she will owe a great debt to Hillary Clinton.
I appreciate your optimism, James. I wish I shared it. Witnessing the loathing directed at her has been incredibly painful, not many of us are courageous or crazy enough to volunteer to be its target.
At any rate, she hasn't conceded, so I haven't either. I hear rumors of coming surprises and one may be the rising backlash from her very angry supporters. How many people have voted for her? Is it 15 or 16 million? Sometimes you have to pick one issue and draw a line in the sand. In this instance, that's especially true if you have daughters, and I do.
Guess who's bacccccccccccccck
http://www.tucc.org/events.htm
"Trinity United Church of Christ
Women’s Chorus
Invites you to its
24th Annual Concert
“If I Be Lifted Up…”
John 12:32
Sunday, May 18, 2008
3:00 p.m.
400 West 95th Street, Chicago, IL 60628
Rev. Otis Moss III, Pastor
Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., Senior Pastor"
Guess that retirement thing didn't work out.
This guy loves the limelight.
Speaking to the women's chorus, no less. Does that mean he's going to talk about Hilary again?
It's time for Obama and his campaign to make Obama a compelling candidate to Clinton supporters. He needs to be compromsing and come across. I haven't seen it, Sweeties.
And if he wants to win, he should consider having Clinton as VP. After all, if he is about unity and not holding grudges, and about winning more than grudges, he'd do it. But, really with the hatred his supporters spewed, he'd "betray" his supporters by not holding grudges. I can't support such a candidate.
I've seen so many lists of things that Clinton should be doing. Hey - if Obama wants to be leader of all, he should think about how to appeal to the good half of the party that supported Clinton. It is NOT our job to make him a better candidate in our imaginations. It IS his job to do this. It comes with the territory, and if he can't figure out a way to do it, he's not a good candidate.
It is NOT our job to make Obama have a more comfortable race or to make things cheaper on him so he doesn't have to spend a dollar or an hour thinking about women who support Clinton. It is NOT our job to vote for someone that doesn't appeal to us.
Obama and his supporters should get cracking.
Egalia, have you seen Nedra Pickler's AP article of today? I think she took the same journalism classes as Andrea Mitchell/Tweety/Russert.
Thanks for all the great work you do!
One more thing: if Obama cares about Choice, he'll make himself more compelling to Clinton supporters. Choice, and his serving higher interests and him being a servant should be more important than his supporter's grudges and hatred of Hillary.
If choice falls because he could not persuade Clinton supporters, it's Obama and Obama's campaign's fault for alienating potential supporters - not the other way around.
Again, it is NOT our responsibility to make him comfortable.
In all honesty, I don't believe that Obama can offer any compelling reasons for my vote at this stage of the game. I have seen and heard enough of him to realize that he is not a good choice for president. He is unqualified and inexperienced but he also refused to defend Hillary against those sexist attacks. As a potential leader he could have stepped forward at the time and doing so now just to woo us back is much too late.
His "your likable enough Hillary" will burn in my brain because it illustrated more than anything his lack of character. Snide, dismissive, demeaning, and hurtful toward a female candidate who has served this country for years. The black community has been served by both Clinton's and the sham attacks of "racism" will not be forgotten by me. So no, he cannot make nice at this time and assume that it will all go away in November.
I haven't seen it, Little Voice. She's not one of my favorites. I appreciate your kind words. Thank the goddess we have a community of brave souls who aren't afraid to stand up and fight the deafening mainstream madness.
Egalia, I sent Craig an e-mail expressing my gratitude for being one of the few who did not bash Hillary 24/7. I know he supports her but he has couched that support by temporizing his remarks. What she has had to endure is disgusting. How she gets out of bed everyday to go fight for us is remarkable. I could not do it.
Finally I have some back up around these parts. Me and Sean were battling the insanity alone for a while but a breeze of logic has drifted into the room.
They just can't handle actual, well, logical arguments being thrown at them.
Yelling about sexism while tolerating the racism????
Yeah, I have been calling that out for a while. Nice to see that others think this place has lost its mind.
The lead in to this blog says something about combatting racism.
That's clearly not the focus any more. If racism is necessary to get a woman elected, so be it (based on the comments).
Clearly, they don't like black people around these parts.
How else can you explain the attacks against a candidate whose only real wrong is beating a white person?
You're so full of shit, Angry Black Guy.
Your candidate's real wrongs are: 1. being a timid centrist 2. being against universal health care 3. being weak on choice 4. being weak on social security 5. being big on mere hype, with no grasp of actual issues.
Pay attention, dude.
(And the list goes on and on . . .)
"They just can't handle actual, well, logical arguments being thrown at them."
Ooh. Guess what, that's sexist language, dude. As if you suggested that we're only really good at tap-dancing, singing, and eating watermelons.
But the really funny thing is -- sexism adversely affects 50% of the populace. It's much more damaging than racism. That must be really hard for you to think about, eh? Or maybe not.
Clearly, they don't like black people around these parts.
How else can you explain the attacks against a candidate whose only real wrong is beating a white person?
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I actually care very deeply about racism in the real world. And, until he abused my trust, I cared about racism against Obama.
But Obama played games. He cried wolf. He twisted words. He baited. He played 'cards'. He deliberately inserted race in a manner designed to control the narrative.
Now I will not hear anything he or his supporters have to say. Too bad for him, too bad for you. But when you say oh, here's a blatant example of white-hates-black racism, I assume you're just making stuff up, or twisting someone's words.
Good luck with the rest of the election. I expect that if Obama gets the nomination, you're going to see real racism, serious racism - and you'll have neutered the only weapon you had against that, which was public outrage. Obama sold his demographic cheap.
If choice falls because he could not persuade Clinton supporters, it's Obama and Obama's campaign's fault for alienating potential supporters - not the other way around.
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Obama take responsibility?
Hell no. That's why God invented blame.
"Finally I have some back up around these parts. Me and Sean were battling the insanity alone for a while.."
Why are you here? To make the case AGAINST Obama by being the pig you are?
And why would anyone here even read what the moron "Lana" has to say let alone respond to it? It's no doubt some pig in a skirt...witness it called Hillary by a Limbaugh term.
James is the fucking worst. Look at the nym first and let the likes of James rot on his logorrhea.
Hey James...you're not soothing, you're an idiot, ok?
SOD OFF.
Obama ran the better campaign? Are you trying to be FUNNY?? I mean once the FLUFFERS quit PROPPING him UP, he was whimpering into his waffles, wasn't he?
What a joke.
You know, if this place is allowed to be overrun by pigs and pigs in skirts it gets too hard to read the comments I'd like to read with the links to stories I'd like to follow.
Just sayin.
The NARAL story is still going strong as is the votes for Florida and Michigan...
" I think it's selfish that lesbians would throw their fellow straight feminists under the bus just to make some kind of point that no one will care about anyway. "
Hilarious. Can't stop at just trashing women in general, can you BrassAss? For your information, I am a straight woman, a mother and grandmother. So screw off.
Hey Zee, James is a friend of this blog. I appreciate many of your comments, but could you please refrain from calling people pigs and morons?
There are still people in this world who can disagree without insulting each other. I know that's hard to remember with all the mind-numbing trolls and dedicated women haters we encounter these days. But I'd really appreciate it if everyone here would try to distinguish between the genuine idiot trolls and the people who respectfully disagree.
" I think it's selfish that lesbians would throw their fellow straight feminists under the bus just to make some kind of point that no one will care about anyway. "
Hilarious. Can't stop at just trashing women in general, can you BrassAss? For your information, I am a straight woman, a mother and grandmother. So screw off.
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It wasn't you BrassAss was after with the Lesbian comment, Patsi, it is me he was after. BrassASS is so caught up in stereotypes he thinks that Lesbians aren't concerned about choice because he actually believes LESBIANS aren't impacted by choice. He doesn't know that THIS lesbian has CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN and GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.
He doesn't understand that this LESBIAN has daugthers, granddaughters and greatgrandaughters. He doesn't understand that Lesbians who don't have children do have SISTERS, NIECES, COUSINS & FRIENDS. All he knows are the lesbian stereoptypes that inform his obvious HOMOPHOBIA!
Thanks CarolynKB. He would be funny if only he weren't so pathetic. What vision. It's a wonder he can see the keyboard in front of him.
That was an offensive thing to say, Brassass, and also just really stupid. Lebians have been at the front of the battle for reproductive rights, for civil rights, for women's rights, for longer then anyone can remember.
The REAL WORLD catching up to the NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME Barack Obama!
http://
www.realclearpolitics.com...prime_time.html
Quote from the link above: "In Beaverton, Oregon May 9, he said he'd campaigned in 57 states, with two more to go. Perhaps he was thinking of the 57 varieties of canned and processed foods the H.J. Heinz corporation originally sold, or the 57 nation states in the Islamic Council.
The goof is no big deal, the sort of thing someone says when he's tired. Sen. Obama tends to get disoriented, said Mayhill Fowler, an Obama supporter who blogs for the Huffington Post."
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DISORIENTED? How disoriented are you if you think there are 57 states? When's the last time exhaustion made you think there are 57 states? Some of the things Obama is saying has my HMMMMMMMMMM meter going beep, beep, beep!
Is BO another Bush? 57 States? Is that sort of like "Bariffs and Terriers" ?
Thank you DNC for putting the full force of your inner sanctum behind another empty suit!!!!!
NOBAMA '08
" Hey Zee, James is a friend of this blog. I appreciate many of your comments, but could you please refrain from calling people pigs and morons?
There are still people in this world who can disagree without insulting each other. I know that's hard to remember with all the mind-numbing trolls and dedicated women haters we encounter these days. But I'd really appreciate it if everyone here would try to distinguish between the genuine idiot trolls and the people who respectfully disagree.
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Thank you Egalia, its comforting to know that someone around here respects the right of dissent and having an independent opinion (isn't that what we've hated so much about the Bush admin?)
I still find the attacks on Michelle Obama by women here disturbing. We are supposed to be uplifting women not tearing them down for having an opinion. The same tactics that were used against Hillary in the past, were used again Theressa Heinz Kerry and now against Michelle Obama. The only time people say nothing about a first lady candidate is when they are a Stepford wife like Laura Bush and actually say nothing. Its digusting to see feminists attacking anotjher woman for being strong willed and opinionated. I suppoose some of you think that she should just be seen and not heard like the wonderfully respectful Laura Bush. She is the wife of a Presidential candidate and there is no reason to believe that she should turn her back on her husband simply because he is running against a woman. That's the same sentiment that made me really hat Bob Dole when he turned his back on his wife and campaigned for her opponent (talk about a lack of loyalty).
Would anyone like to take a stab at how Hillary could win the general election without the support of the Obama faction? What is her strategy for victory in November? If you're going to support Hillary to the bitter end, one would hope that you have a strategy to win the general election.
If anyone is interested in hearing real opinions from real West Virginians about racism and the April 13th's turn out- there is a discussion going on here:
http://thefilmgeek.blogspot.com/...oom-part-
2.html
and here:
http://thefilmgeek.blogspot.com/...nt-in-
room.html
And here's how Donna Brazile feels about the majority of gay people who've loyally worked for Dem Candidates for decades.
From No Quarter:
Dean admitted it was Brazile who objected most strenuously to a proposal put forward by gay Democrats to add GLBT delegates to affirmative action guidelines states follow when selecting those who attend the party’s national convention:
Dean said some “influential individuals” within the DNC Black Caucus, such as Donna Brazile, opposed the plan because it was seen as “an affront to the civil rights movement.”
“I wanted equal representation for gay and lesbian Americans,” he said, “and I wanted to achieve it in a way that wasn’t offensive to the history of the civil rights movement.”
THANK YOU DNC INNER SANCTUM FOR BEING TOO FRIGHTENED TO DEFEND PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN LOYAL, WORKING AND VOTING DEMOCRATS FOR DECADES.
The DNC can KMA!!!
Ted kennedy had a symptoms of a stroke
Obama Economic Controller
Is Skull And Bones Member
Austan 'The Ghoul' Goolsbee, Yale '91
http://www.rense.com/general80/web.htm
By Webster Tarpley
2-4-8
OBAMA'S TRIFECTA: FOREIGN POLICY LINE IS RUN BY TRILATERAL FOUNDER ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI -OBAMA''S WIFE LINKED TO COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
WASHINGTON DC -- Barack Obama's top economics adviser is a member of the super-secret Skull & Bones society of Yale University, of which George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and John Kerry are also members, reliable sources confirmed tonight. Goolsbee is widely reported to have told Obama not to back a compulsory freeze on home mortgage foreclosures to help the struggling middle class in the current depression crisis, as demanded by former candidate John Edwards. Hillary Clinton has advocated a one-year voluntary freeze on foreclosures. Obama has offered counselors to comfort mortgage victims as they are dispossessed, citing the 'moral hazard' of protecting the public interest from Wall Street sharks.
By adding the infamous Skull & Bones secret society to his campaign roster, Obama, who bills himself as the candidate of change and hope, has attained a prefect trifecta of oligarchical and financier establishment backing for his attempt to seize the nomination of the Democratic Party for 2008. Obama's main overall image adviser and foreign policy adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, and the mastermind of the disastrous Carter administration. Obama's wife Michelle is reputed to be closely linked to the Council on Foreign Relations. Behind the utopian platitudes dished up by the Illinois senator, the face of the Wall Street money elite comes into clearer and clearer focus.
George Will, in an October 2007 Washington Post column saluted Goolsbee's "nuanced understanding" of traditional Democratic issues like globalization and income inequality; he "seems to be the sort of fellow -- amiable, empirical, and reasonable--you would want at the elbow of a Democratic president, if such there must be," wrote the arch-oligarchical apologist Will.
From Wikipedia: 'Austan D. Goolsbee is an economist and is currently the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. He is also a Research Fellow at the American Bar Foundation[1], Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisors to the Congressional Budget Office. He has been Barack Obama's economic advisor since Obama's successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois. He is the lead economic advisor to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign.'
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Well, there goes the "Not a Washington Politician", for goodness sake he is tied into the "Secret System". I wonder what all these young people will think when they realize they have been sold and old stock repackaged as hip and new with a meta tag of "CHANGE"?
Run out and register all your neighbors and family. No wonder Kerry endorsed him over Edwards...they were Bones Brothers! No wonder why they media has left him alone...
good one
Woman Voter
Hey Carolyn, our state has delegate affirmative action for GLBT people and it's the best thing Democrats have done for a long time. We had a blast sending off a gay man, a black lesbian, and a veteran as Hillary delegates to compete for a trip to the national convention. It was so much fun because they all happen to be comedians and I think I actually hurt the next day from laughing so much. It was such a diverse group competing for the spots, so they poked fun at each other and had us all rolling in the aisles.
I think it was pretty clear when all of the DNC inner sanctum endorsed Barack, either directly or indirectly, that he was the choice of the POWER ELITE! Something New? HAhahahahahahaha!!!
Barack Obama, just more of the same ole, same ole!
Yes, CarolynKB!
While us progressives were working hard to get Lamont elected, Obama was endorsing Leiberman. Ouch!
Odd thing is that the Lamont campaign was the first to get bloggers truly involved in a grass roots campaign. Obama has claimed so much to his credits, that it truly has got me sick. I took photos of the first bloggers, very dedicated and good looking team filled with wonder and facts.
Now the press is saying the "Kennedy Mantel was passed onto Obama by Ted Kennedy". Truly sick, trying to use Ted Kennedy's illness to promote Obama.
There are people who are willing to believe anything and don't want critical examination, sadly, this is the same inclination that gave us Bush. It's sadder still when you see it on supposed feminist sites. One "elephant in the room" is the extreme peer pressure to support Obama or else..be called a racist. If you work with a diversity of people or having yer cluster of young friends, it's just easier to be nobly against racism and not be against sexism - because, with women, particularly older women, don't they kinda sorta deserve it? I mean, when all these younger women get older, "it'll be different with them..." I was being sarcastic, but if someone had a quarter everytime a woman said "with me, it'll be different" they'd be rich.
Obama has benefited from women-hating. There are a lot of policy and "sweetie" reasons why I can't support him. But rewarding and being a part of a movement built on grudges - grudges against all past racism in the country, grudges against women, particularly older women, grudges and superiority against working class and lower educated non-prius driving people...I can't reward that.
If you went to a church, and most of members openly jeered older women, sure, you could say that they didn't represent the god they worshipped...but I couldn't be a member of that church.
If you went to a business, and most of the workers showed women hating qualities, sure, you could say, it doesn't represent the CEO, but I disagree.
What is leadership after all? Doesn't the tone of the movement reflect the leadership? What kind of fuel did they get out of pitting the young and the yuppie against the others in the Democrat party? My favorite being the arguments to young feminists that "you (meaning older women) can't tell us how to vote ..." That's a thoughtful examination of candidates? And now, on those blogs (that I don't reward with clicks anymore), you can't say anything critical. They have their list of people it is ok to hate and criticize and they stick to it. I can't reward that.
Greta van Susteren and Karl Rove on Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a...erusa.net/blog/
So, the caucuses are stacked up against working people, the disabled and women. I think the caucuses should be by ballot, because otherwise it dilutes the votes/will of the people. What other country has such a system? Is that true DEMOCRACY? We need to change that and note that others across the nation have taken notice. So, Hillary wins Texas but Obama wins? Hemmmmm..... Fuzzy math, yet they won't count Michigan and Florida? Wow!
Count the VOTES!
Count the VOTES!
COUNT THE VOTES NOW!
I would love to see him call Margaret Thatcher "Sweetie" or "Cutie". Even Ronald Reagan gave Margaret Thatcher her RESPECT: LONDON - He called her “the best man in England.”
Where is the press in reporting this sexism by Obama?
Hey Carolyn, our state has delegate affirmative action for GLBT people and it's the best thing Democrats have done for a long time. We had a blast sending off a gay man, a black lesbian, and a veteran as Hillary delegates to compete for a trip to the national convention. It was so much fun because they all happen to be comedians and I think I actually hurt the next day from laughing so much. It was such a diverse group competing for the spots, so they poked fun at each other and had us all rolling in the aisles.
yttik | 05.17.08 - 11:07 am | #
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Thanks for sharing that yttik. NOW if we could just get rest of the Democratic Party to join the 21st Century!
Well said, Nell.
Why all this "either/or" talk? What I mean to say is- is it possible for people to acknowledge that America is largely still full of both racism and misogyny without measuring the two concepts against each other.
That is the one thing this primary has brought to the forefront. While people are bickering over which group of people is most oppressed- John McCain goes practically unnoticed. Nobody seems to be talking about two disastrous wars that should have never been started or that we're all standing at the abyss of another Great Depression.
Wouldn't it make more sense if people from different walks of life stood together against the real oppressors- instead of fighting over who is the most oppressed?
I'm not trying to plug for any candidate or suggest that people vote a certain way in November and I'm not naive enough to think that one person- be it Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are really going to change the world alone, but it seems to me that the only ones who will profit from a battle between feminists and pro-black rights advocates are the people who really oppose feminism and pro-black rights.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/1...anted=1&_r=1&
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“Barack is worth millions now,” Mr. Osnos said. “It’s almost all based on these two books, two books not based on a job of prodigious research or risking one’s life as a reporter in Iraq. He has written about himself. Being able to take your own life story and turn it into this incredibly lucrative franchise, it’s a stunning fact.”
"who will profit from a battle between feminists and pro-black rights advocates are the people who really oppose feminism and pro-black rights."- Elvis Drinkmo | Homepage | 05.17.08 - 12:26 pm | #
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Well, Elvis it would appear that the profiting is very clear, and without any vetting. It will be interesting to read a "REAL BOOK" about Obama by a real journalist/biographer.
He has been busy self promoting for years and if he had been busy doing what he was elected to, he would have a record to stand on and not several books all stacked up to promote him.
You have totally missed the point, Woman Voter.
I don't really give a shit about Barack Obama as a person, but is he the first politician to write a self-serving book about America's problems?
I wasn't talking about him or Clinton- I was talking about how people on these boards are using this primary to pit sexism against racism as if the two concepts are mutually exclusive or at best weighing the two realties on some sort of scale.
This is life- not some fuckin' football game where two teams are competing for a trophy. But nevermind, I'm having a hard time anymore telling the difference between some of the supporters of either candidate and fundamentalist religious zealots.
God/Satan, Clinton/Obama. You choose.
Why all this "either/or" talk? What I mean to say is- is it possible for people to acknowledge that America is largely still full of both racism and misogyny without measuring the two concepts against each other.
That is the one thing this primary has brought to the forefront.
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Well if you ask me America and especially the Democratic party are overdue for this argument.
I am tired of listening to my kids' rap music dissing me as a ho. It's trash. I don't care what color you are - Don Imus is trash too. And when Don Imus and/or his followers ask me to care about how discriminated he is, poor man, even though he himself freely discriminates, I am allowed to say whatever I want. But when the same black people who call me filthy names with their vile music (and it's not all black people, it isn't a racial thing, it's a cultural thing and we call that culture "black" so that those who choose that culture can hide behind racial inequities when they choose to do so)...when the same black culture calls me filthy names, I am not allowed to defend myself, because doing so makes me a racist. Well, when are they going to do something about those bros before ho t- shirts?
I back Clinton, and will even if she endorses Obama; to me, a vote for McKinney, writing in Clinton, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or staying home is a vote for McCain, and I can't do that. OK, MAYBE if he was running against Hitler or Idi Amin or Pol Pot.
James, as usual, makes "cold, calculating" sense, and I'm glad to read his comments here, as much as I hate to deal with calculating sense. I want to rip the DNC and the MSM a new a*****e, and I know how much that hurts.
None of this means I admire Obama, nor believe his "change and unity" bullshit in the slightest. He ran a dirty campaign from the beginning, but that's politics: blood sport.
It will be a tragedy if Clinton loses the nomination, and I am angry about this, but not so much so I'll vote for a war-monger from the party of Dubya and Reagan.
I won't.
Here's why:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico..._politico/
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Thanks, Egalia, it's nice to be back.
By the way, real "high minded liberals" don't know nothin' about living in the sorts of places where the kids taunt each other (and parents worry about) kids who "act black" or "act white".
You could learn a lot about race relations in America by studying those two phrases and how they are used - and the patterns that emerge from those taunts.
We have deliberately mixed up class with race so that the words signifying race do double-duty, allowing us to pretend class barely exists or isn't relevant. This benefits only one group: the rich and powerful. I think they call this tactic divide and conquer.
Caucuses should be banned. If you guys would have read the link I posted above, you would get a feel for just how undemocratic and how easily corruptible caucuses can be.
I witnessed the Texas caucus, and believe me, it is only because they can be gamed so easily, if you have thugs taking them over and controlling them, taking the tally sheets, etc., you can certainly give the "illusion" that you won.
The DNC purposely put those states which had caucuses first, so that Obama could come out quickly as having more support, when, in fact he didnt, if you factor in the popular vote.
Why do you think there is such a wide margin between the popular vote in a state and their caucuses?
Hillary has won big in all the key swing states and Obama has only won his home state of Illinois.
It's not about the math, it's about the map!
Okay, an actual honest conversation about race is presumably a good thing. I mean, IF the object is to understand different points of view and maybe learn from each other.
But if that's asking too much, well, we can shut down the conversation by calling someone racist. Hint, if the object is to actually learn from each other, then you might try stating specifically what it is that you find offensive and why.
Or you can demonstrate your superior position by shouting racist as you point your finger.
I've reviewed the comment you object to and while it dares to address the touchy subject of race, I myself fail to see the racist passage, but then my patience is wearing thin and some days I have a bad impatient habit of scanning instead of reading closely, so I might well have missed it.
That's where your racist detector should have been instructive and maybe even helpful to me.
I'm deleting your charge of racism. If you want to come back and be civil and attempt to demonstrate your reasoning ability by showing someone the error of their ways, as you see it, then be my guest.
But unsubstantiated charges will be deleted.
Sorry jacilyn, I appreciate your honesty in expressing your point of view, but given that all you have to do is be a Hillary supporter to be called racist, I'd appreciate it if you'd steer clear of discussing race at least for now and in this thread.
It's too bad because honest dialogue on the subject is sorely needed. But few people seem to want it; it's apparently more rewarding to simply call people racist.
I'm deleting your comments because people here are not ready for that conversation.
You don't see anything racist about saying black culture is disrespectful toward women, egalia? Don't answer that, I'll just go.
Thanks for everything and take care.
I could be wrong Elvis, but I thought she was talking about her experience with her kids in the inner city and rap music. I've heard many blacks critique rap music a lot harsher than that. In my view, criticism is not racism. But I could be wrong.
At any rate, I did not post the SNL video in which all Hillary supporters were said to be racist because it wasn't funny, and because I am sick and tired of being called a racist because I don't support the black guy.
Do any of you know about the concept of labeling theory? I think Goffman was the original writer/thinker. I know Egalia and academic sociologists do. This election has been the practical application of this theory. Wow. We still don't know how it will work out.
If you are willing to vote for a man who will bring back the days of coat hanger abortions, you are not an advocate for women's reproductive rights. You are not a Democrat, you are not a liberal, and you are certainly not a feminist.
But if you are willing to jeopardize the health and safety of millions of women because people called Hillary Clinton mean names, frankly I have to ponder whether or not you are even human.
Additionally, the man-hate on this website is repellent and disgusting. You people have become what you hate: sexists.
But if you are willing to jeopardize the health and safety of millions of women because people called Hillary Clinton mean names, frankly I have to ponder whether or not you are even human.
autoegocrat | Homepage | 05.18.08 - 11:38 am | #
autoegocrat, ugh.
But, why are you SO ANGRY? Your guy's been crowned already. Why are you inflaming the dialogue here with such remarks?
Wow. An actual Americablog reader. Hillary supporters are 'not human.'
Sheesh. Somebody save that quote for the book.
It's the new Obama plan, get people to vote for you by hating them and insulting them.
No one should dignify it with a response.
Kos called Hillary a Republican. Americablog called her "a horrible human being."
Everyday there's new evidence that they have transferred their bush hatred to Hillary and her supporters.
History will not be kind.
You don't see anything racist about saying black culture is disrespectful toward women, egalia? Don't answer that, I'll just go.
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I thought you already did? How many times does one person flounce outta here in a huff?
To anyone (else) still reading this thread: I apologize if I upset anyone.
In my own defense however I would like to point out that I am sure feminism is the only movement that allows itself to be labeled selfish for not putting other groups' feelings before their own. Allies are nice, but it's not a true alliance if one group is not reciprocating the concern and goodwill.
I personally would like to ask any and all feminists, why does feminism not stand up against cultural products (and the cultures that produce them) whenever and wherever those cultural products reduce women to things that are bought/sold, like livestock or pets or prostitutes? Why is it so incapable of recognizing the existence of conflicts of interest?
I know we're venting but let's keep it clean for Hillary. Don't give the news any ammunition.
what's up with the NARAL endorsement? I am for a total news boycott! Watch for sponsors. Watch, watch, watch! Anyone curious why the superdelegates aren't voting for HC in the states she has won. They really can't stand it that a woman could be elected. Numbers don't lie so if you live in Oregon support our cause and give this election a twist like W.VA did. Go Kentucky too!
I'm from Michigan and they sure muted us didn't they! Help!
cnn with Wolfe Bias isn't any better!
I know we're venting but let's keep it clean for Hillary. Don't give the news any ammunition.
what's up with the NARAL endorsement? I am for a total news boycott! Watch for sponsors. Watch, watch, watch! Anyone curious why the superdelegates aren't voting for HC in the states she has won. They really can't stand it that a woman could be elected. Numbers don't lie so if you live in Oregon support our cause and give this election a twist like W.VA did. Go Kentucky too!
I'm from Michigan and they sure muted us didn't they! Help!
cnn with Wolfe Bias isn't any better!
MsMyself | 05.19.08 - 3:24 pm | #
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Always thought Wolf was in Hillary's pocket. So it's official: Reality = anti-Hillary bias.
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