Elder of Ziyon - Comments here do not necessarily reflect the opinions of EoZ
Fun fact: this article is the first result on Google when you search "Obama Rabin speech." Kudos.
Wow, thanks.
I wonder what would happen if I were to stand in front of the White House and yell, "You won't find any true security, Obama, as long as I'm gripped by hopelessness and despair!"
I think at least a conversation with police would be in order.
I couldn't find a transcript, but Obama's speech can be heard here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos...n-
assassination
I'm listening to it right now, and he's currently chastising Israelis for lacking empathy. He also mentioned the "people who know only violence," but failed to name them. Shocking.
Another article pointed out Rabin's last speech to the Knesset, wherein he stated that Israel would never cede any part of Jerusalem, nor dismantle any Israeli neighborhoods in Judea or Samaria. Curious how everyone ignores that when they invoke Rabin's name.
Elder.... the truth is the PalArabs have never been held accountable and that is why they live in a fantasy world... aided and abetted by the naifs and dhimmis of the West.
Yeah I remember Rabin appearing on Israeli TV right after comming back from signing the Oslo accoords promising they would under no circumstances lead to a Palestinian state. Also he assured the Israeli public that if the PLO would declare a Palestinian state or support terrorism, the whole deal would be canceled.
Yigal Amir has brought tragedy on Israel in countless ways.
"Am I the only person who finds this sentence outrageous?"
By no means. I agree entirely with your sentiments while recognising that the Israelis do need to watch their backs - their fronts too, for that matter - while the Arabs seek to harm them.
I don't find the statement outrageous, nor does it justify terror. If Obama had said that Israeli policy was responsible for terrorist attacks, I would be writing a letter of complaint right now.
I don't fully agree with Obama's statement, but it is a far cry from justifying terror.
Stan
I have to agree that its not really what I would like to hear but I can see that it does imply Israel is at fault for the problems arabs have created for themselves.
Obama sounds naive and a bit confused in this speech, why not mention the rocket attacks on Israel or the ship full of weapons for Hizbollah...combine this with his reaction to the Fort Hood terrorism, it makes you wonder if he wants to play pretend.
Is he stupid or does he have a plan in mind to make us all think he is a total idiot....the combination of the missed chance of this speach to put the terrorists on notice, the political correct stupidity of the fort hood comments and his pandering at the UN make me wonder if maybe we american jews were wrong to have voted for him.
Time will tell but I am certain I am not the only one getting worried.
As a US citizen i can tell you obama doesn't speak for me. I am sick of Israel being treated so badly by my government. obama and the dems are no friends of Israel.
I wish I could take back my vote for Obama. As an American, I'm sickened by his spinelessness. He has brought more shame onto this nation in 8 months than Bush did in 8 years.
I can only hope he isn't reelected. (This is doubtful: can you imagine the rhetoric in 4 years? "You voted for Bush II twice, but you won't give the first black president a second term? Racists!")
I don't know what was the context, and I can understand how this one sentence alone can seem somewhat alarming. But it doesn't imply that Israel is responsible for the Palestinians despair, it could imply that their leaders must do whatever is required so that Israel finds security.
* Please mind the missing word in the "This is liberalism" paragraph: "the ___ for one's happiness"
The statement is indeed outrageous. It justifies violence against Israelis. Palis are not "gripped by hopelessness and despair". This is a foolish notion and well-worn cliche.
Palis are gripped with nonstop propaganda and a failed leadership that promotes a culture of perpetual grievance and victimhood that blames Israel and the Jews for all their problems and supports violence against them. All Pali factions are proponents of a Final Solution that calls for the destruction of Israel - sooner or later.
Dear Leader Hussein is a follower of the Pali and Arab propaganda line that was pronounced quite distinctly in his Cairo rant. Remember that Dear Leader is a very close associate of Rashid Khalidi and Ali Abunimah, among others.
Obama's support for a two state solution isn't following any "Arab propaganda line",it is the international consensus.
Anyway, I thought Obama was making an accurate statement,and not one that justified terror.
"Anyway, I thought Obama was making an accurate statement....
Aaron Carine | 11.08.09 - 9:37 am | #"
Indeed, "Error" is correct; Phakestinians are utterly choked with "hopelessness & despair" at not being able to destroy Israel without massive help from the rest of the non-Muslim World....poor dogs.....but, the Phakestinians will get that help, soon enough, from 0-Bama.
"...,and not one that justified terror.
Aaron Carine | 11.08.09 - 9:37 am | #"
.....Coming from one who would define "terror" as "legitimate resistance" to Israeli 'occupation', as most Western 'progressives' do, this is not a surprise, either. Phakestine-Sycophants need to get a copy of the new talking-points, already....
People are responsible for their own happiness. Like it or not, not everyone gets everything they want.
Oh foolish right wing blogger living with an archaic mindset. In this enlightened day and age of Obama, the government is responsible for everyone's happiness, and every gets whatever the government says they are entitled to. The ones who don't get what they want are those with the nerve to produce but not provide whatever the government has demanded.
The Jews had the nerve to turn a barely habitable piece of rock into a land dripping with milk and honey (and software and biotech and venture capital). What right do they think they have not to give away all their hard work to the poor marauders, bandits, and migrant workers who improve nothing?
We see the same pattern of righteousness now being applied in the US, where the proper government will determine exactly what benefits and care each citizen is entitled to receive and the insurance companies are properly required to provide them at the government approved rate - whether or not this makes or loses money or allows for competition or not.
Never fear, they know best what each one of us deserves.
I think the government is responsible for people in trouble and I'm glad it no longer feels like I'm the only one.
And Palestine wasn't barely habitable in 1947.
"Aaron Carine | 11.08.09 - 1:12 pm | #"
Another perfect example of a simplistic Statist mentality with a just a dash of ignorance of basic economics; no wonder "Error" and other "people" like him support Islamofascist causes....
I'm not convinced that "basic economics"require us to leave the poor to rot.
"I'm not convinced that "basic economics"require us to leave the poor to rot.
Aaron Carine | 11.08.09 - 5:08 pm | #"
....says the guy who doesn't have an inkling where Governments get the money to pay for
"free" healthcare.....or for anything else that Government does, for that matter. I wonder if "Error" wonders why California is going bankrupt, these days (shrinking tax-base due to emigration of businesses and individuals, exploding non-tax-paying Illegal-Alien population)? Does "Error" understand why Massachusetts is a failure in this regards, as well?
http://www.pnhp.org/mass_report/
...eport_Final.pdf
Maybe "Error" hasn't the intellectual capacity to wonder why "Government" can't seem to handle dispensing H1N1 vaccines or a "simple" program like "Cash for Clunkers" in a efficient, cost-effective manner? Maybe "Error" hasn't heard that Medicare and Medicaid doesn't work so well, either.....
Or maybe "Error" just wants to bankrupt the "evil, capitalistic hegemony" known as the US, just like Emir 0-Bama of Amerikastan does....
Cash for clunkers worked well,by all accounts,and Medicare and Medicaid work better than nothing.
Yes,I have heard that governments get money through taxes.
"Cash for clunkers worked well,by all accounts....
Aaron Carine | 11.08.09 - 6:16 pm | #"
Indeed, it worked well, "Error", but not for American car-makers....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...9080401700.html
"Four of the five top-selling cars in the government's "Cash for Clunkers" program are made by foreign automakers, according to new data released Tuesday by federal transportation officials."
And the program also went bust in less than a week of operation, due to "efficient" government management, i.e. the same management that will now destroy US healthcare.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/
au...suspended_N.htm
Maybe if "Error" actually knew some FACTS, he wouldn't spout off such silliness....
"Medicare and Medicaid work better than nothing.
Aaron Carine | 11.08.09 - 6:16 pm | #"
Well, that's sensible; instead of improving these fraud-ridden, inefficient programs that already exist, let's allow US Dhimmicrat statists to impose a Single-Payer Government-controlled (i.e. Statist) system on everybody, including Illegal Aliens, by cannibalizing Medicare, killing private healthcare and raising taxes to the Nth degree. When the US runs out of money to pay for this "Workers' Paradise" due to citizens emigrating or going on the Government dole (i.e. US unemployment at 10.2% and rising), States going bankrupt or seceding, and businesses moving off-shore to escape the government mandates and tax-burdens, the US will just print more money and issue more Treasury-bonds.....except the money will be worthless and nobody, not even Communist China, will buy the Bonds!
Mission Accomplished.....right, "Error"?
"Yes,I have heard that governments get money through taxes.
Aaron Carine | 11.08.09 - 6:16 pm | #"
A simple thank-you for the edification will suffice, "Error", you hubristic twit! 
BTW Maybe you should pass on this little tid-bit to your Dear Leader 0-Bama from Califronia's near-default agonies: I hear they raised the witholding amounts for State taxes by 10%, which means that Californians are "giving" their State-Government a interest-free "loan" to pay off State-level personal tax-refund IOUs from last year, as well as covering that huge, unpaid Illegal-Alien "free" Healthcare/Education bill. Pretty slick, huh? Too bad all those Californians and businesses are leaving there, huh?
In the meantime, 0-Bama's other War, (i.e. the one on Israel, not Fox News), goes on.....
Cash for Clunkers Results Finally In
Edmunds.com, the premier resource for online automotive information, has determined that Cash for Clunkers cost taxpayers $24,000 per vehicle sold.
Nearly 690,000 vehicles were sold during the Cash for Clunkers program, officially known as CARS, but Edmunds.com analysts calculated that only 125,000 of the sales were incremental. The rest of the sales would have happened anyway, regardless of the existence of the program.
The home-buyer tax credit: Throwing good money after bad
This is a bad idea.
The main argument for the tax credit is that it stimulates the economy and stabilizes the housing market. Seen purely as a stimulus, the tax credit is highly inefficient. The National Association of Realtors claims that the credit created 350,000 new sales; the Calculated Risk blog calculates that this means the government is paying $43,000 for every extra house sold (since most sales would have happened anyway). According to the Wall Street Journal, Goldman Sachs estimates 200,000 new sales, implying a cost of $80,000 per marginal sale.
What's best about your argument Aaron is you are basically saying that what the government decides is best even when they have been proven wrong. Considering how bad your judgment is when it comes to governmentally made decisions perhaps it's time for you to start getting behind Israel and to realize how wrong you have been.
It sounds to me like creating 350,000 sales is a good thing. So are 125,000 sales,if the number was really no higher.
"It sounds to me like creating 350,000 sales is a good thing. So are 125,000 sales,if the number was really no higher.
Aaron Carine | 11.09.09 - 11:03 am | #"
Ah, yes, the highly touted "distorted by Government intervention" Positive Statistic-gambit.....well-played, indeed, "Error", your message-handlers at WhiteHouse.gov will be pleased you've disseminated their talking-point flawlessly. Too bad the following FACTS don't agree with you:
http://money.aol.com/article/car...%2F&sort=3&
pg=2
""It was good while it lasted," said Phil Warren, sales manager at Toyota Direct in Columbus, Ohio. "Now we're a little bit concerned about what happens next. The program may have just taken a lot of people out of the market."
Making matters worse, many dealers depleted their stocks with clunker sales, and automakers have been slow to ramp up production to replenish the lots. Grahl says Ford has built the cars he ordered but mysteriously hasn't shipped them. So the selection isn't very good for people who do want to buy."
And Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia, Winston.....
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