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And let's not forget that this alienates those in the military who are liberals/democrats. While the military doesn't allow active duty members to join any political party, the military members still get to hold opinions and vote as they choose - one of the benefits of the australian ballot.
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soldiers do not need us to march for their support -- they need body armor, they need better equipment, they need care packages, they need so much more than a bunch of politically motivated yahoos using soldiers to slam liberals and tell lies. disgusting.
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05.15.06 - 9:06 pm | #
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D'accord, Bookfraud. Soldiers need a nation that loves and appreciates their sacrifice enough to shed our pride before we shed their blood.
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05.15.06 - 9:56 pm | #
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Wow, this is real cheap of them to trash talk liberals. They must be off their rocker. I wonder how many good Americans they just alienated, that couls have made future contributions?
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In answer to your final question, I'm sure there are spontaneous little groups that have popped up, but the rhetoric with too many of them are what you've experienced.
And as a liberal who opposed the war from the outset, but blame the civilian leadership, not the grunt whose job is to go where she/he's told the need is, it just ticks me off.
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I would check with your local wives'husbands of soldiers. I am a former Navy brat and I know my mom used to get together with other wives and put together care packs. It is not a large organization but that just means more of your money will go to what it is supposed to and its local, always impactful when you can act locally and think globally!
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What a shame. They could achieve so much more without the rallies and the liberal politics
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05.17.06 - 1:45 am | #
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Soldiers need skoal, budweiser and a 4 day weekend. 
Supporting our troops has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with being patriotic, supportive, even if you don't agree with the mission.
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Wow that is pretty crazy. It is a big leap from one to the next. Wonder who thought of this marketing schema?
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Ms Patton-Bader now is said to be saying quote with one word, a pause, and then 4 other words. Somehow this isn't very exact evidence of methodology for the thesis. Rather sloppy.
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Dear Readers,
It breaks my heart you feel this way,
All I try and do is bring awareness of our heroes.
We have not stopped sending packages, in fact we have increased care packages to troops and are in the process of sending 1000's of cool scarves to soldiers deployed, as the heat is in the 100's
our mission has not waned,
We still adopt our heroes 50 to 70 a day,
we just sent our 5000th backpack to CSH and Germany.
We just awarded our 470th wounded hero with a laptop.,
and much much more going on at Soldiers Angels.
It is hard to reach out and remind people we still have heroes in danger and heroes who have returned from danger.
Please forgive me if I took a tack that did not please you but I have to help these precious heroes.
I hope you will understand,
With appreciation to all who help,
Patti Patton-Bader
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When a Good Professor Goes Mad
Wow, I am absolutely amazed at this. I cannot imagine the money and time that was used to send the “warprofessor” a different letter than the one received by everyone else on the mailing list. The version of the letter that I received stated, “You may have noticed , as I certainly have, that there are people in America who actually want us to lose this war. Who rejoice on Internet message boards with every American death. Who – quite literally – hate our troops.” To misconstrue these sentences in such a way as to read that they refer to “liberals" who hate our troops is immature, dishonest, and purposefully deceitful. The letter very simply did not address “liberals” or “conservatives” and anyone who feels that it did has jumped to conclusions which are not contained in the letter.
However, reading the rest of the “warprofessors” rant, clearly reveals that he is not concerned with the truth. A simple Google search reveals that Soldiers’ Angels is not the sponsor of the parade, rather it is sponsored by the World War II Veterans committee of the American Veterans Center .* If my memory serves me correctly the parade was incarnated, in its recent form, to coincide with the opening of the National World War II Memorial. It is interesting that the “warprofessor” referred to the parade as a “demonstration” and a “conservative rally” to attempt to put forth a negative connotation and to elicit a negative reaction from the intended reader.
The use of such distortion to create righteous indignation is an interesting technique nonetheless. Such purposeful deceit serves no purpose in an honest discourse over the politics of the war. However, it does serve the purpose of hurting a very fine organization which has taken the side of American soldiers and their families. And of course anyone who can not substantiate their position without the use of intentional distortions has zero credibility with me.
Anyone know of a good blog where I can read honest, accurate and intelligent dialogue?
War Professor, “Methinks thou doth protest too loudly!”*
*(http://dc.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/
XJ&sdn=dc&zu=http%3A%2F%
2Fwww.nationalmemorialdayparade.com )
*A poor attempt to paraphrase Shakespeare
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i can't believe this..oh my word..
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05.20.06 - 6:26 pm | #
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I am amazed at the naivity in the posts above. Really carrying american flags in support of the WAR won't be construed as a rally. Just for the record you don't have to support the mission to support the strollers.
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That don't mean you're free to sabotage things like John Murtha, though.
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05.21.06 - 8:21 pm | #
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Hair-Trigger...
Not that EP needs any defending from any of HER readers, but HER readers have read long enough to know that SHE doesn't fit the description of the knee-jerk liberal that you've painted. You know, it would be SOOOOOO NICE to read comments from people who actually THOUGHT before they typed. Good gravy - this is what happens when someone sets out to engage in meaningful dialogue - there is always a vocally flatulent contingency that will read EVERYTHING as polemical, and blindly, arrogantly, and STUPIDLY respond without fully reading an authors stance on issues.
What an ASS!
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Well, I see that things got interesting while I was gone for a few days. Let me try to clear some things up.
First, Trigger is right: I quoted incorrectly, and that is my fault. Let me amend that error by typing directly from the four-page fund-raising letter.
"You may have noticed, as I certainly have, that there are people in America who actually want us to lose this war. Who rejoice on Internet messages boards with every American death. Who--quite literally--hate our troops. AND THEY HATE US. OUR WEBSITE HAS BEEN HACKED and they've put up--on our site--awful, terrible profanities and attacks on our brave soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors. (My name), THERE'S NOT A WEEK THAT GOES BY THAT I AM NOT ATTACKED in some way for wanting to love and support our troops overseas." (The words that I have capitalized are actually underlined in the letter, but I don't know how to underline in HaloScan.)
[Ymarsakar, I am now going to use another ellipsis. It does indeed indicate that I am skipping some words and picking back up with the same source. Rules regarding its proper use can be found in Section 3.7.5. of the _MLA Handbook_.] . . .
"That's why, on the occasion of this historic National Memorial Day Parade honoring our troops in Iraq, I'd like to ask you to PLEASE SEND A TAX-DEDUCTIBLE CONTRIBUTION OF $42 TO SUPPORT SOLDIERS' ANGELS--RIGHT NOW, BEFORE YOU PUT MY LETTER ASIDE AND GO ON TO SOMETHING ELSE."
Now, Trigger notes that the parade "is sponsored by the World War II Veterans committee of the American Veterans Center." Okay, noted, although I'm unclear what that has to do with my assertion that mailing flags back and forth in postage-paid mailing tubes is not the best way of "honoring our troops in Iraq" (page 3 of funding-raising letter).
Trigger has also declared me "immature, dishonest, and purposefully deceitful," suggesting that such "purposeful deceit serves no purpose in an honest discourse over the politics of the war." I was unaware that we were discussing the politics of the war; my post discussed fund-raising techniques and strawmanning. However, I agree with Trigger that "anyone who can not substantiate their position without the use of intentional distortions has zero credibility;" therefore, I invite Trigger to identify the "people in America who actually want us to lose this war. Who rejoice . . . with every American death. Who--quite literally--hate our troops," "hate [Soldiers Angels]" and attack Ms. Patton-Bader. I have denounced the only people I know of who celebrate the deaths of American soldiers--Fred Phelps and his group of crazies in Kansas (posts in November 2005 and February 2006). I will be happy to denounce any others who can be identified beyond "they."
I have nothing against Ms. Patton-Bader--I'm sure she is a sincere lady who loves our troops. That doesn't change my contention that mailing things back and forth--whether it be flags, carrot seeds,
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or scraps of cloth--is not a prudent use of any charitable monies. And I assure Trigger that readers of this blog--several of whom are veterans-- are sufficiently mature to make their own charitable-giving decisions.
http://www.soldiersangels.org
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05.21.06 - 11:55 pm | #
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Just to clarify, the sloppiness is refering to inadequate supporting quotes, not in incorrect or inaccurate use of ellipses and pauses.
Ymarsakar |
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05.22.06 - 11:06 pm | #
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EP - You are much kinder than I am...'nuff said 
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