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Fitz!


Encore Fitz!


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...6021801389.html

The Click That Broke a Government's Grip

Don't we face some of these same issues and possible outcomes?


Redd: Nice to know the regular folks in America only get the half-assed treatment.

Well, the regular folks voted for these clowns. They like them because they drink beer, go hunting and talk tough, just like the yahoos of The Hortland.

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Repost from near end of previous thread:

Long Newsweek article about Dick Cheney:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1143.../site/newsweek/

The Shot Heard Round the World
He peppered a man in the face, but didn't tell his boss. Inside Dick Cheney's dark, secretive mind-set—and the forces that made it that way.

By Evan Thomas
Newsweek

Feb. 27, 2006 issue - Dick Cheney has never been your normal politician. He has never seemed as eager to please, as needy for votes and approval and headlines as, say, Bill Clinton. Cheney can seem taciturn, self-contained, a little gloomy; in recent years, his manner has been not just unwelcoming but stand-offish. This is not to say, however, that he is entirely modest and self-effacing, or that he does not crave power as much as or more than any office-seeker. This, after all, is a man who, in conducting a search for George W. Bush's vice president, picked himself. Indeed, since 9/11, Cheney has struck a pose more familiar to readers of Greek tragedies than the daily Hotline. At times, he appears to be the lonely leader, brooding in his tent, knowing that doom may be inevitable, but that the battle must be fought, and that glory can be eternal.

(snip)
Stephen Parrish, CPA | 02.19.06 - 5:53 am | #


i'll have some banana bread


RH,

Here’s a headline and a story (below) that resonate. Patricia Madrid can beat Heather Wilson. Many Dems can beat many Repubs on this issue alone.

Larry Martin

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APnews
Feb 18, 4:28 PM (ET)

Democrats Slam New Medicare Drug Plan

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Republicans in Congress put the pharmaceutical industry in charge when they passed the Medicare prescription drug plan, New Mexico's attorney general said Saturday.
"Big corporations ... routinely use their purchasing power to drive down prices for consumers. But the Republican Congress banned our government from doing the same" by specifically prohibiting it under the Medicare plan from negotiating with drug companies for lower prices, Patricia Madrid said in the Democrats' weekly radio address.
"And rather than allowing Medicare to provide prescription drugs directly to seniors, the Republican Congress invited the health insurance industry into the process and wrote a needlessly complicated law that has confused millions of seniors and their caregivers," she said.
In addition, Madrid said, seniors are being told that if they don't sign up by May 15, "they will have to pay a complexity tax that will raise the cost of their coverage even higher."
Madrid is seeking to unseat four-term Republican Heather Wilson in New Mexico's 1st Congressional District, which has been in GOP hands for decades. The contest is forecast as one of the top races nationally as Democrats try to erode the Republican majority in Congress.
Madrid's campaign said she is the first Democratic challenger of this year's election cycle to have the party's national radio platform.
In her broadcast, Madrid called on Congress to require the government to negotiate with the drug companies for the lowest possible prices. And she said the elderly should be offered simpler choices between plans - including the opportunity to get the benefit directly through Medicare - and to postpone the complexity tax "so seniors aren't forced to pay higher prices while trying to figure out this complex mess."
Drug makers and insurance companies have contributed millions of dollars to congressional Republicans, she noted.


If you look at history and whom we generally consider to be great presidents they have something in common- they were true leaders in the sense that they took responsibility for the good and the bad, particularly during wartime. Lincoln was obsessed with the effect of his decisions on the boys and men dying on the front lines and the responsibility was a huge weight on his shoulders- because he actually had a conscience!

When the invasion of Normany was being planned, the military and the President knew it was a huge risk and that it could go terribly wrong and despite the fact that the POTUS turned over much of the planning to the military generals, he knew the sole responsibility for defeat lay squarely with him- in other words, any defeat may not have been his FAULT, but as President it was his RESPONSIBILITY.

He had two speeches prepared for the American people- one in the case of total victory and one in the case of total defeat- the speech he PERSONALLY (ie. not a speechwriter) prepared in the event of defeat at Normandy (according to historian Michael Bechloss), had him taking TOTAL responsibility for the defeat and the death of American soldiers.

Compare that with George Bush.

It's actually embarrassing. And to think the Bush loyalists constantly compare him to Lincoln, Truman, Churchill, even at times FDR (when it's politically convenient) is laughable- either they don't know their history or they are so blindly supportive of their cult leader that they think merely mentioning Bush in the same sentence of other great historical leaders will make their contention become fact by association. My guess? It's a mixture of the two.

Happy sunday everyone. Be well.


Wikthout even getting into the crap that Matalin's spouting, what's with the whole 'whore of Babylon' look that she's sporting today? I mean, damn, tons of makeup and that big ol whatever sprouting on her chest.
I never get into appearances of the wingnuts usually, but damn, I guess when Carville's out of town...


Mmmm. Homemade banana bread. I miss it.

When shrub was elected, I found some, and only some, comfort in the fact he had his father's advice and would surround himself with intelligent advisors. How wrong I was.

Shrub is a petulant child who defies his father and surrounds himself with cronies and "yes men" who won't question him. He won't read to educate himself.

I have no doubt the country could be more capably run by an intelligent high school kid with common sense. Does this make me a shrub "hater"? No. Don't know the guy well enough to hate him, but I do hate what he is doing to the US.


What, Tweety is now writing sports copy ?!?!?

about an hour ago on MSNBC, Olympic Wrap Up, some guy named Mike Cz??? on Shani Davis, Gold Medalist in Speed Skating
'
. . . growing up on Chicago's South Side, destined to play basketball or deal drugs . . .'

wonder if he'd like to be referred to as that dumb pollack on MSNBC ?


This ain't no party.

This ain't no disco.

This ain't no foolin' around.

This ain't the Mudd Club.

Or CBGBs
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Can we get a cedar waxwing next Sunday?


Since Lieberman seems to get nearly
constant free air-time, would it be
possible to challenge the networks
for contributing to his campaign?


Jay -- I'll see what I can do. ;-)


Watching MTP in Real Time and have these observations: Matalin's spinning so hard she's about to explode.

"the frequency of such accidents..." BULLSHIT. Hunting accidents are noteworthy for their INFREQUENCY.

Gregory apologizes for telling SCott McClellan he was being a jerk [off camera] when McClellan was--HELLO...--being a jerk.

In the Real World, it is about the averate American says Matalin. Well, Mary Matalin DOES NOT SPEAK for me. I've hunted, and this south Texas Republican BWANA hunting is not real hunting.

And the shooting, the coverup and the blame the vic, blame the press [who are the only ones with a modicum of opportunity to serve as my proxy in getting information out of this WH] tactics should have the bright light of day shown on them until all questions are answered.


Too early for verse but I couldn't resist:

A fat old fraud named Richard Cheney
Dude hunts lawyers, makes quail look brainy
In his cave underground
He hides, a booze hound
Flatlining poll numbers jolt the fool Cheney
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Sunday is generally a day of reflection and thanksgiving. So, I would like to thank darth for his gift of last Sat. Some pundits are saying this might be his defining moment for all time. What a pleasant thought that is. Unless, of course, his mug shot. I'll take what I can get. Thanks to FDL and friends. You da best!


Allow me to recommend some podcasts/radio shows that do a nice job of dissecting the MSM slant on (or omission of) top news stories: Fair.org's Counterspin (this week's ep is especially good with a fine interview with Emily Whitfield of the ACLU about the Abu Gharaib photos); the more readily available On the Media from WNYC (this week with an interview with Murray Waas); and WPKN's Between the Lines, which this week did a good job of reporting on conservation victories with Canada's Great Bear Rain Forest as well as the not-so-happy story of Bush's Budget proposal.


Ok, I want any Democrat who criticizes Gore's comments in Saudi Arabia blasted by progressives (hear that Paul Begala). Gore tells the truth and the wingers go nuts saying he shouldn't make comments about the US policies (which are blatently wrong) overseas and he's deemed a crazy. Give me a break.


Jay -- I'll see what I can do. ;-)
ReddHedd | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 6:58 am | #

Please?
I've never seen a waxwing ('cept for photos).
Always wanted to as a bird-nerdie-type kid on the E Coast...

and now I live where they don't...


Redd,
sounds like our morning here 2F at 6am, Bob the Builder on sprout, pot o' coffee, and some Puffins (cereal, not the bird).


Prairie Sunshine | 02.19.06 - 7:01 am

Thanks for that, I won't fight my kid for the remote to flip on Press the Meat. I think I'll simply adopt a Matalin avoidance policy from hence forth; when I see her, I'll click away to something more newsworthy, like The Weather Channel.

We really haven't gone after Matalin like we should have; she was the first public staff spinner, out on point on this story. She must have really compromised her personal ethics of small government if she supports Ticky Dick in this way. Her support also consists of looking peevish and eye rolling rather than coming up with irrefutable, unpuncturable information about her boss.

I guess I don't know if we're not on her out of some weird sense of respect for Carville; he's certainly not done the party many favors and is only sucking down money from the faithful with that pablum he wrote with Begala.

Speaking of which, the governor of Michigan mentioned the Carville/Begala book during her speech at the state convention yesterday. The room went rather flatly quiet. I think the roots are definitely fed up with the DLC-types.


Making banana bread sounds like a good idea. I think I even have a couple of overripe bananas. I like my bread with chocolate chips in it.
I don't get much opportunity to watch Matlin because she's on cable, so what I saw was not pretty. She was quite laughable to me, the way she made up stuff to explain what happened.
I don't get how someone who has opposite political views could be married to her. Just like I don't get how women could be in love with convicted felons. If their principles are so opposite of yours, how can you get past that and still love them?


flock of Cedar Waxwings visible from FDL deckchair this morning.

26 degrees, (it was 81 on Fri. afternoon ferkrissakes!) so cold, the usually stealth resident pair of Yellow Billed Cuckoo sitting right in front of the window this am.

Bohemian Waxwing continues to elude this birder


Talking heads, radio dept:

Required reading for the clueless Dems who haven't yet discovered the importance of message repetition. Message repetition. Messge repetition.... And the opportunity of radio.

This link is a Q&A with Fargo's own [for now] Ed Schultz.
http://in-forum.com/ [free regis to read: Inside Ed's Head: Dems and the radio]

And as one who once called his former former [rep intentional] employer to excoriate a particular conservative riff before his elightenment, may I say it's a pleasure to listen to his show these days. He's a voice progressives should value.

Discount everything the KFGO radio guy says--they dropped the Schultz show which now airs on another local station--while keeping Oxyboy. So much for local radio.

Amazin' the things you can learn from hometown newspapers, ain't it?


for those with blood pressure issues, a recommendation to forego ptm this a.m. the first half-hour was a particularly fugly mary matalin (girlfriend, word of advice: no more red fingernail polish on those claws) spinning furiously fat tim's comments. the second half is david gregory apologizing not once, but twice for his failure in asking little scottie those mean questions and also for failure to exhibit any empathy for the vice president.

gregory is really mistaken if he thinks he has ever gotten the better of scott mcclellan. little scottie punks those submissives daily -- and the stupid fuckers go on national teevee and apologize! amazing.


An anonymous Hill staffer writes a very interesting analysis piece at kos, "Why Congress Has No Spine":

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...2/19/01542/ 9703


Another dropped ball that Russert let go by, He showed the quote to Chertoff that Brownie was asked why he didn't contact Chertoff when he knew things were bad. Brownie said that would be a waste of time. Chertoff said he asked Brownie if he needed anything, and Brownie said no. Russert then should have said, "but why would Brownie say contacting you would be a waste of time? Did you tell him not to contact you? Did he already know that you didn't want to be bothered?"


from the Limeys, a decent wrapup story about Cheney shooting an old man in the face http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../ ixnewstop.html


Well, this MTP was more disgusting than usual. What was it -- The Mary Matalin Show? She got at least 75% of the airtime during the "roundtable" with Timmeh sitting in awestruck silence. She made personal attacks against Mo and David and NOBODY fired back. Methinks I gotta throw up.

lol "Whore of Babylon"


NBC has Mopping on in place of Meet the Enabler.


cbl -- if you get a snapshot of your cedar waxwings from the FDL chair (or any other lovelies that you'd like to share, for that matter), feel free to e-mail it to ma and I'll try and use it sometime this week. Maybe I should make the Sunday talking head thread a birding photo gallery for all the FDL-ers. Or just a nature shot in general, since I'm knee-deep in my seed catalogs at this point in the winter, longing for the warmth of spring and for planting season.


Chambliss is being deployed to talk about what a great, sober careful hunter Cheney is. The chickenhawks like to do their manly stuff together:
http:// seattletimes.nwsource.com..._hunting19.html


Rayne, I'm with you re: Mary Matalin. I didn't catch the whole "roundtable," but as far as I heard, everyone let her spin the story of how the VP got the news out just fine without ever asking her whether he was acting on HER advice.

Also, is she back on the gov't payroll or is the VP outsourcing his press op to her? Free or paid? MTP identified her as "former" Cheney aide, but she kept referring to "our office."

Her performance was beyond disgusting. She accused the WH press corps of having a "jihad" against the VP. Will anyone pick that up?

Nice balance that roundtable. One right-wing hack (Gigot); one two-fer--right-wing hack plus VP spokesperson (Matalin); one equal-opportunity snark provider (MoDo); and one WH press corps member (David Gregory).

Heard John Dean on Air America last night. He coined a great term I hadn't heard before that I think should be picked up. He called this the "In Your Face" Presidency.
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Did Sec. Chertoff ever explain why they didn't qualify Katrina as catastrophic?


"...david gregory apologizing not once, but twice..."

Gregory did the "I am a hard hitting journalist" schtick for the teevee cameras.

Mostly he's a suck-up like all the rest.


Thanks Prarie Sunshine.
My take on MTP was that Matalin is a pro and Gregory and MoDo were unprepared for her brand of attack dog. She spewed completely inaccurate facts about the shooting ("It wasn't that serious, his eye's ok." That was the early Armstrong version, "Harry was talking and joking;" later Dead Eye himself contradicted the early Armstrong version and admitted, "Harry was "non-responsive." [Huge error in my opinion, for Modo and Gregory not to mention the "rolling disclosure," but that is why Matalin talks so damn fast]). IMO Matalin engineered it so the only way to get to Dead Eye and the WH was to attack her vicious misrepresentation of the facts made on MTP. Brilliant strategy on her part.
Neither Gregory or MoDo mentioned the word "metaphor" or "cherry picking" in addition to "rolling disclosure." We needed both of them to make the case that Dead-Eye "cherry picked" on shooting Harry just like he "cherry-picked" the pre-war intelligence on Iraq. The "lag" in getting Harry to the proper Medical facility paralleled the "lag" in addressing that NO's levees had broken.
It's a lot easier to sit and watch MTP and "arm-chair" quarterback, then it is to actually communicate within the tight realities of MTP. My respect for Gregory and MoDo has not diminished in the slightest. They did well and scored some points. My belief that Matalin is as good as there is, has also remain unchanged. If we want to win at midterms, we have to learn how to defeat people like Mary Matalin.


Mary Matalin, propagandist scarecrow, "Everybody who knows Cheney knows he doesn't drink." Two DUIs, a beer at lunch and a cocktail after shooting a 78 year old man in the face. Yeah, no history of drinking there.


Another "fair and balanced" Sunday.

Counting Chertoff once for each appearance, I'm getting 8 Republicans, 4 Democrats (but one is Lieberman, so it might as well be 9-3), two nonpolitical figures, a passel of foreign ambassadors, and a military man who's likely to defend the Bush Administration's Iraq actions.

Lordy.


as an experiment at WaPoo I posted "Staynough Sioux" - it took them half an hour to remove the comment. So clueless!


Okay, what are cedar waxwings?

Sounds like something that lives in old chests and eats the tablecloths.


a great comment at WaPoo:

It's just a nickname.

Posted by: Poolboi Jim VandeHei | February 19, 2006 10:38 AM

...


OT-

Gas prices are dropping a little here in Oregon. Reg unleaded is $1.97. Is it dropping where you live?


Okay, what are cedar waxwings?

A sleek brown bird with a crest and red and yellow trim on wings and tail. Comes in flocks, likes to eat berries. Worth seeing, and a winter bird in warmer areas like CA.


ooooopsies! the Poolboi remark just got censored and in its place the Ministry of Truth stated:


Discussing a reporter's work -- or any topic -- critically is fine and, as stated in our rules, encouraged.

Use of critical nicknames for Post reporters, editors, public officials, other commenters, etc., is considered a personal attack and posts containing personal attacks will be removed.

Posted by: washingtonpost.com | February 19, 2006 10:47 AM

...


MadRuth- (love that username...reminds me of an old Danny O'Keefe song)
Cheney and his cadre of hunting buddies make for one disgusting bunch. I can see them under a campfire at night (Cheney, L. Graham, S. Chambliss, Z. Miller, etc.), swilling beer and doing a jerkle circ with Mary Matalin and Ann Coulter pictures. *retch*


Couldn't stomach the horrors of the usual right wing Sunday fest. However, did find a good article on how things are going in Iraq.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/kr...on/ 13880387.htm

Remember - it is the media's fault for not reporting all the GOOD NEWS.


John Casper, I don't disagree that MM is "as good as there is" but unfortunately the word good in this case means good at lying, good at slandering opponents, good at evading issues, good at false but vicious soundbites.

That puts us at a disadvantage because first we have to spend time refuting the lies--often we don't do that well or, as on MTP, there's no one there to do it.

Then we have to frame our story as compellingly but in a way that doesn't stoop to her slander and lying.

Seems to me there's only one answer: We need to get Jane H on the guest roster for these shows.

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On Reliable, er, Unreliable Sources, the Powerlinebog guy doesn't know the diff between a rifle and a shotgun.

Emeril's got the best banana bread recipe...with a pinch o'cinnamon.

We birders will love a Sunday Morning bit o'phenology. Especially since the neighborhood cat has scared off our cardinal pair.


Barbara Boxer just hit a grand slam on FTN. Outstanding response to cat killer Frist. He stumbled through a series of inarticulate answers.

p.s. Bumiller from the NYT should go to work at the Washington Post....she's a truly useless questioner.


Okay, what are cedar waxwings?

coupla quick links:

http://huskertsd.tripod.com/ spec...dar_waxwing.htm

http://www.mikids.com/LC/ cedarwa...edarwaxwing.htm


On Reliable, er, Unreliable Sources, the Powerlinebog guy doesn't know the diff between a rifle and a shotgun.

now that is funny. and isn't he from minnesota.


PrairieSunshine,
Thanks for the link to the piece on Ed Schultz. I'd heard the name, but since I seldom listen to radio (especially AM where most talk shows are) I was not very familiar with him. People here should lean on any Dem seeking federal office to seek out his advice on using radio.


CityGirl | 02.19.06 - 7:42 am

"...without ever asking her whether he was acting on HER advice."

I asked earlier this past week, in response to the spin about the OVP wanting to get the story out and in the right way: why did Armstrong call a Corpus Christi paper FIRST, and not Matalin et al if that was the "right way"??

So now we have two big questions for Matalin:
-- Why isn't the OVP press staff, including Matalin, the "right way" to handle a major OVP story?
-- When exactly did the OVP call Matalin after the shooting, if at all??

Now somebody get some damned spine, piss off their corporate media masters and ask the questions. Maybe Jon Stewart should invite Matalin and ask her for us...


since there is to be NO critical names at the WaPoo Blog, I just posted this to see how long it stays up:

The Respected and Beloved Leader, George W. Bush, deeply appreciates your great work. With the help of that astute and perceptive executive James Brady and the unflaggingly eagle-eyed Deborah Howell, journalism will continue to insure a continuous and unfettered flow of ideas in this land of the free and home of the brave !

Posted by: Winston Smith | February 19, 2006 10:59 AM
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Wilson46201 | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 7:58 am | #

It's Calvinball!


Wilson46201 - I've been folowing WaPo stock since the Howell crap. WPO this time last year was just under 1,000 per share. Now 749. Stock holders are greedy creatures. They won't stand for it much longer. WaPo isin the midst of a reality check right now.


cathy | 02.19.06 - 7:57 am

Dropping here, too, $2.04/gal last night.

I think they've been messing with the price since Venezuela's Chavez made threats about closing the Citgo stations.

[Standard waiver, disclaimer and full disclosure: tinfoil wearer at the keyboard here. Upgrade to stainless steel in the offing.]


Use of critical nicknames for Post reporters, editors, public officials, other commenters, etc., is considered a personal attack

Got an uncritical synonym for 'Stenographer', anyone? How about calling her Not-A-Stenographer-At-All-No-Way-Siree Sue?


List of names too obscene, offensive, beyond the pale and hurtful for Washington Post staff (not all inclusive):

Poopyhead
Dodobird
Wanker
Smelly
Nutter
Dope
Cheapskate
Nincompoop
Poolboy. . .

Add your own wildly offensive name that the FEC ignores, but which battle hardened DC journalists can't withstand!


flock of Cedar Waxwings visible from FDL deckchair this morning.

All waxwings are fantastic. If you get blessed with a waxwing winter that brings a flock to your area, it's amazing to see them, dozens to a tree, chattering away amongst themselves like blog commenters.


Wilson-

I love it. Everyone should post a message of how great Bush is and what a wonderful job Brady is doing to further the cause of the this administration by keeping any negative messages away.


Other WaPo names too vile to see the light of day:

Shill
Hack


Shefer on Face the Nation addressed the prescription drug bill and lobbing reform as two discrete issues.
Frist used the opportunity to lie about giving the merkin peeple better health care and Boxer failed to pounce on the opportunity to sew it up.
Bah
Methinks the merkin peeple can see the line between the principle aide drafting legislation interviewing for a cushy job with the pharmeceutical industry lobby the next year.
Too much to ask for in depth journalists or congressionall leadership.
Boxer even waffled on having travel paid for by lobbiests. Evidently if the lobby is 'public interest' or non-profit' it would be OK by her.
What idiot would set up a for-profit lobby?
Bah again!


P J Evans,

Thank-you. What I had in mind would have required an exterminator.

I have a feeling that Waxwings don't live in CO.

It was well below zero last night. BURR!


The Dana Milbank snarky column on why Dems believe they'll lose again and this story by CupOJoe at Dkos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...2/19/10518/ 8869

are disheartening at best. CupOJoe cites three reasons why the Repugs will hold a majority in Congress in 06 and 08: national polls are a lot different from local races, gerrymandering, and election fraud. While I do think some people are overly optimistic about what can be accomplished in one election cycle, we still have to keep fighting. On a positive day, I like to think that it's so bad on so many levels in this administration, that just maybe there'll be an upset in our favor at the polls in 06.


What about the word stupid?
My 7 year old calls it the s word. She's been taught not to call anyone stupid, that its a bad word.


Al,
we didn't see the same interviews evidently.
NO ONE actually called Frist out on his claim that this was a 'New benefit'.
Or his claims of surgical expertise in treating gunshot trauma.
(I don't know for sure, but I think it unlikely he would need more than one hand to count those experiences)


Apparently the recent data that indicates global warming is accelerating is not worth one precious minute of Sunday blather time. God forbid we should have to pre-empt Shaq to discuss the end of life as we know it on earth.


"Stupid" is another vile unmentionable name. As is "doofus."


And, medaka, thank-you too.

The bird is quite pretty. Love the splash of red on the wings.


"unfortunately the word good in this case means good at lying, good at slandering opponents, good at evading issues, good at false but vicious soundbites."
I couldn't agree more CityGirl.
I also want to thank you for this: "Also, is she back on the gov't payroll or is the VP outsourcing his press op to her? Free or paid? MTP identified her as "former" Cheney aide, but she kept referring to "our office."
Russert allowed Matalin to assume the "imprimatur" of objectivity, when she is nothing more than a very smart, very high priced "Ho" (apologies to whores around the world).
As long as Gregory and others use the word "metaphor," they can use Matalin's inaccuracies to keep the Dead Eye shooting story alive. David Gregory can ask Snottie McClellan tomorrow at his WH Press Bluffing about Mary Matalin contradicting the Vice-President's statements to Brit (impersonating a journalist) Hume. Every "metaphor" question, however, can link to one of Paul Gigot's (WSJ editorial page editor on MTP) "real issues," Iraq, FISA, illegal domesitic spying, deficit.... Please notice Paul forgot to mention "Katrina." Gregory and others can safely hide behind the WSJ editorial page when linking Dead Eye shooting Harry to the other issues. Nobody ever accused the WSJ's editorial page of being "liberal."
If we can use Matalin's inaccurate comments to keep the story alive, it will give Dead Eye something to scream at her about.
OT, Matalin mentioned what Dead Eye did in his Hume interview: "Rover is tight with the Armstrong's." IMO Dead Eye is warning Rover (and Bush), if you don't fully support me, I will pull you down with me.


Wilson46201 | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 8:08 am |
Thanks, LMAO.


dana | 02.19.06 - 8:17 am
Thanks dana. IMO one fact all dems can run on is that a barrel of oil cost @$25 dollars when Clinton left office. It now costs @$68/barrel and Bush wants to attack Iraq, which could double it.


Boxer even waffled on having travel paid for by lobbiests. Evidently if the lobby is 'public interest' or non-profit' it would be OK by her.
What idiot would set up a for-profit lobby?
Bah again!
Mack


i thought she was dreadful; and i was offended by the bullshit setting with the cozy fire in the fireplace in the background, clearly on advice of her media advisers.

fwiw, jane harmon started off her appearance on cnn calling on bush to get rid of rumsfeld: "his leadership in post-war iraq has been very damaging to the united states."


John Casper--
You're right. Matalin is good. Why d'you suppose Russert allowed her to open and close the segment?
What someone should have asked Matalin is what advice she gave to Cheney on Sunday morning, when she apparently talked to him. Newsweek is also saying that Cheney talked to Addington on Saturday evening. Someone should have asked some questions about that, too.
As for being a metaphor, the shooting incident may very well be one, but the Left needs to be a little less transparently obvious about it. It's not generally a good idea to put your battle plans on the table.


Mary Matalin in a very testy mood on MTP and Maureen Dowd made mincemeat of her.


WaPo has, with this "no names" policy, left itself open to what will surely be another round of howling ridicule.

What's more, this is an ass covering way to attempt to excuse post facto the removal of perfectly civil, hard hitting comments that were not full of obscenity, as Church Lady has alleged, but which included labels like "incompetent."

They keep moving the goal lines and changing the rules to cover their thin skinned, white pasty asses. Those sweet little puckers are for Republicans only.


After reading of Whittington's apology (ferchristsake unbelievable) and Gregory's today, and Cheney's the other day...oh wait, no on Cheney's, I am reminded of my own party's appeasement (sp?) and come to this conclusion:

dems are apologetic,
pubes can do no wrong
AKA
RePubs are Fuckers
and Dems are Fucked


With the exception of my two doves I have singles party going on in my back yard, one: Finch, Cardinal(male), Mockingbird the size of a cantalope, Robin and the ever-present Hawk about a hundred yards away perched for any breaks in concentration from the former. Kinda icy and quiet.


Redd, what are your favorite seed catalogs? I got so discouraged by gardening in the mountains (plant one for me, ten for the critters and they STILL eat mine) that I've not planted one for a few years. Maybe I'll get a Cheney scarecrow, complete with rifle and beer can hat. Ugh, that sneer oughta scare 'em off.

We're waiting for our Western Orioles to come back. Small, brilliant yellow and black, they build a hanging nest every year on a banana leaf. They are beautiful and entertaining. They remind me of spies the way they zoom around the yard in a flurry of misdirection before they slip into their nest.


Madruth- you spoke about Chambliss covering for Chaney. Did you catch this at the end:

Chambliss, who spoke with Cheney after a meeting with senators last week, said the vice president seemed distressed over the Whittington accident. "He said, 'You know, I've never felt so bad about anything in my life,' " Chambliss recalled. "He was really emotional about it."

He never felt so bad about anything in his life. Gawd almighty. Tell that to the families of the 2270 dead soldiers. Tell that to the families of the dead and wounded Iraqis.

This man is demented. He total lack of empathy is all too obvious in that statement. Poor little Dick, he feels bad because he shot someone.


Read Milbank's article- don't know why he bothered to write it- jam packed with zero information.


It IS true that the most likely result of the 06 midterms is- "dems gain seats in both houses but goopers maintain narrowed majorities in both". There is an outside chance that dems will gain VERY narrow control of one house. Those are the two most likely outcomes- it is highly unlikely that goopers will gain seats in either house- and it is highly unlikely that dems will take over both- although that could happen if we have a "sea change" event in the next eight months- like $5 per gallon gas.

What will happen in each of the two most likely scenarios?

1) In EITHER scenario, Clusterfuck ends up as a confirmed lame duck- approaching "dead duck". He will try to spin a loss as a win- but no one's gonna buy it. Losing seats means a rejection of his administration. His "agenda" will be dead meat- and goopers who want to get something done will look for bills that DON'T have his fingerprints on em.

2) Nothing is going to happen about the most important issues facing the nation in the next three years.

-Health care reform- won't happen- may be some lipstick put on the pig- but nothing that will make a difference

-Energy policy--Goopers are incapable of doing anything substantial to improve the environment or to decrease fossil fuel use substantially- doesn't fit into their gospel of "the market economy"- nothing will happen.

-Budget and trade deficits- Nothin will happen- the only way of making these situations better is to reverse some or all of the tax cuts for the wealthy- and that won't happen as long as Clusterfuck is in the White House- whether dems win control of a house of congress or not.

-War in Iraq--dems winning a house will have no effect on this fart in church. Clusterfuck's got just under three years to show that he really had a good idea with Iraq. Congress will NOT force a withdrawal of troops- no matter WHO is controlling it. The Iraq congress is more likely to influence our policy in Iraq than the US congress who will continue to make speeches and do NOTHING.

-Investigations/oversight.

If dems were to win control of ONE house-they would investigate the hell out of the clusterfuck administration. Suppose dems win the senate and goopers keep the house- the senate would investigate everything under the sun and by a one vote margin find Clusterfuck guilty of shit. The House would then have it's own investigation and find by a one vote margin that Clusterfuck is innocent of the same shit. People will puke at all of this.

Bottom line- it doesn't matter much who controls a congress that isn't going to do shit anyway. It DOES matter that the american people serve notice that it has stopped it's movement to the right and is looking for new anwers.

We are in a "do nothing" phase of politics. Strangely enough, the Clusterfuck has mostly been a "do nothing but crow like hell about it" administration.

We won't see any major changes before 08- and likely none then. The "closely divided" political landscape will continue in all likelihood- and we will have "logjam" politics full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.

Nothing changes until the voters either totally embrace the gooper theology or reject it- and so far they have done NEITHER. Three more years of gooper failures may go a long ways to change that.

Most of the problems we face require an "activist" govt- one that isn't willing to make more tax cuts and let the "market" fix things. The market WON'T- but the voters need to have that proven to them. It's the most important philosophical point in any dem resurgence- someone is going to have to go after "free market" politics with both barrels and risk a war.


Timmy's show was pathetic as usual - can't anyone shut up that witch that is married to Carville? The only one with anything worthwhile to say was Maureen Dowd, so naturally she was barely allowed to speak.

I don't know why I get up at 6:00am (on the west coast) to subject myself to this crap, I guess it is some form of penance.


Have no TV so rely on y'all to catch me up on Sunday a.m. Thanks!

Noted Sen. Saxby Chambliss's comment on Cheney (qtd. in Peter Baker's article in WaPo), that Dick goes hunting "to relieve himiself but also to take advantage of some business opportunities."

He needs to resign so he can ALWAYS go hunting to relieve himself -- and just stay out on a ranch or whereever--and only with Repugs. He could do his business in the grass (see who can make it go the farthest) and only shoot his friends, instead of innocent kids in Iraq.


mpower1952 - Yes, this comes from a man who has sent countless thousands to their deaths over the years. And now he feels bad about drawing a little blood while drunk? Impossible I say. He has no heart.


Just thinking out loud this morning- here's some more:

We are getting stuck in chasing every new Clusterfuck scandal to ground- and that's good.

In the grand scheme of things,though, none of these scandals will make a difference in the political direction of the country. Clusterfuck will be GONE in three years however the "scandals" work out. What's of LASTING importance is the ineffectiveness of his "IDEAS": That's what needs to be attacked- and attacked long and hard.

The idea that turning over the country to a bunch of rich fucks and letting them have their way with the nation will lead to universal prosperity and solve all our problems is totally laughable- but THAT'S the fucking program people!

Seems that SOME politician SOMEWHERE ought to be able to show that- with NUMBERS!


Tortoise?

As a test - here's a fun little game (DO NOT try this at home if you worry about being known as a "tin hatter"). Whenever you find an appropriate moment, casually drop this little gem into conversation: "How many of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive?

So far, everyone I have asked - all intelligent folks - have either called it a stupid question, or replied "they are all dead (of course!)". In either case, they had no doubt that the correct answer is zero.

In fact, the correct answer is either six or seven. (Six for sure, with one more a possibility, when I last checked.)

Correct your victim at your own risk!
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Could you elaborate on that for me? Who are the six or seven? Where do you think they are? Are you subscribing to the belief that there was another plane? I know we have one hijacker who never made it onto the plane, but where do you get the rest?
This is not snark. I really am interested.


Then we have to frame our story as compellingly but in a way that doesn't stoop to her slander and lying.

Seems to me there's only one answer: We need to get Jane H on the guest roster for these shows.

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Gotta disagree with ya here CityGirl. Politics is not a "nice" business. In the mundane world, of course we should all be nice. But in the political world, it's irrelevant. You're either a winner, or an also-ran.

The candidates themselves should keep themselves above reproach, and hold to the moral high-ground. But I think that we in the trenches should don our body armor and slug it out with whatever it takes hehe. (Nothing illegal of course).

Would love to see someone of the Jane and Redd caliber on the talking head shows!


Rayne, not sure if this was answered already, but no question the VP called Matalin--she said 7 o'clock his time, not sure if she meant that evening or the next morning but betting the former--as in he called her before he even called Lynne.

But he didn't call her to "get the story out," he called her to get private advice on what the hell he should do now. And I'm guessing she is the one who said, don't say anything (she pretty much admitted it on MTP, saying we thought it was better to say nothing than give out the "wrong" set of facts).

Matalin is PART of the story and PART of the cover-up, but from day one right until MTP this morning she's being treated like some outside pundit.

Also, slightly off-topic: When is an actual reporter going to start reporting on the number, estimated cost, and locations of the VP's various hunting trips, as well as who has hosted them and who takes part. They seem to be a taxpayer-funded addiction for him and shouldn't they be at least as interesting to the press as how much Bill Clinton paid for a haircut?

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With the exception of my two doves I have singles party going on in my back yard, one: Finch, Cardinal(male), Mockingbird the size of a cantalope, Robin and the ever-present Hawk about a hundred yards away perched for any breaks in concentration from the former. Kinda icy and quiet.


CityGirl - Yes, let the investigation begin starting with the Tx Sheriff Dept.


I have long been curious about these Sunday talk show line-ups as published by FDL, Kos, and others, because I have yet to read a convincing rationale -- or any other kind -- as to why those of us representing the 60 percent opposed to American fascism should grace these media outlets with our presence (and ratings numbers).

I'm quite serious. Other than stir the guts over and over again, what good can it possibly do? Especially when our very presence lends support to the commercial underpinnings of the right-wing propaganda machine ...

Why not "assign" viewing duties to a few hardy souls who report back in blogs as they do now, but encourage the REST of us, that 60 percent of the country, to simply boycott the bastards, now and forever? Let them wither on the vine!

I've been boycotting all forms of network news, including NPR, for years. No way in hell will I be among the millions counted as part of the audience. I mean, knowing your enemy is fine, but there are already ways to do this without lending support to the very machine that's crushing the Constitution.


New Assclowns of the Week: The Trouble With Harry Edition is up, if you're interested.


Two comments:

1. Please don't watch Saxby Chambliss. Those of us in Georgia with any sense get really embarassed about him. We want to be remembered by M.L.K. and Jimmy Carter, not Zell Miller and Saxby Chambliss.

2. There's a very long read in the New York Magazine, After Neoconservatism, by Francis Fukuyama that's engrossing. Fukuyama is somewhat 'born-again' and offers as clear an analysis of the failure of Neoconservativism as one of its founders can muster. He doesn't focus on the fact that the Administration that put it into action is filled with inept crooks, but other than that, it's a very enlightning read - way over the line-up of talking heads...

Okay, we're sorry about Chambliss. Lord knows we tried!


Kurt, I'm all for slugging it out and no question our side has been by and large pathetic--way too polite, timid, poorly prepared, you name it. But the facts are on our side anyway, and I don't see the need to lie, slander, evade the way they do.

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The regular folks in America keep clowns like this in power.


CityGirl--good question. Baker 's article cites a $1 million figure of taxpayer money for Cheney's annual "travel." Someone needs to find out how much of that went to hunting trips--which he apparently takes a lot of.


That was a really interesting, must-read link from ppp at the top of the thread.

Bet the ranch on it that the Cheney junta is burning the midnight oil trying to figure out ways to neuter and/or snuff the internet.

I've often thought that the present China regime is the ideal they seek to model.


my mom used to bake banana bread quite often

she inventively used old soup cans to make small loaves

one time she made a mistake, though, and used an onion soup can; I'll encourage you to stay away from those


I've never seen a waxwing ('cept for photos).
Always wanted to as a bird-nerdie-type kid on the E Coast...

Had a flock of 'em early winter, showed up one day, stayed until they'd stripped every berry off the redbud trees, then they moved on. Robins treat me the same way, never see them except when they migrate through.

backyard here:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v6.../v682/osterloh/


bz - ha ha


Mickey--don't worry. I'd never heard of Saxby Chambliss until today. We all know you're up against it down there.


However, even China can't control people with modems and software. This is good. Gods bless those mavericks over there. We're going to need their example and spirit before our long national nightmare is over.


Want to be upset? Check out this article at LA Times... Feds conspiring to gut protections against rapacious corps erected by the states (principally CA):

http://www.latimes.com/news/nati...eadlines- nation

Industries Get Quiet Protection From Lawsuits
Federal agencies are using arcane regulations and legal opinions to shield automakers and others from challenges by consumers and states.
By Myron Levin and Alan C. Miller
Times Staff Writers

February 19, 2006


Mickey

Thanks for the link to the Fukuyama piece- Certainly raises the right issues and is well written and informative. The vast majority of people will never read it- or anything like it- but those who are interested in the long term policy of the US will. Thanks.


Btw, I'll say it again: this blog is a phenom, and demonstrates the explosive power of simple quality and spirit. I remember coming here six or so months ago and there would be three or four comments to a post.

Yowza!


"...When is an actual reporter going to start reporting on the number, estimated cost, and locations of the VP's various hunting trips, as well as who has hosted them and who takes part..."

Go check out Huffington's blog: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/


As for politics, one commenter at DKos was saying that we should be prepared not to give up should 2006 not take back the House and/or Senate, and we should be prepared not to give up no matter the outcome of 2008.

This is a very long road to come back for the dems and we have just started.

As for watching birds, during a particularly difficult time for my family, I bought an old farm house sitting on 5 acres, surrounded by plowed fields. Not another house in site. It was surrounded by trees on 3 sides, obviously the windbreak for the farmhouse.

I could sit on the front porch, facing the road and the entire scene in front of me would be fields. I could watch hawks, and possibly an eagle or two, lazily flying their pattern over the fields. Song birds in the trees, deer coming 'cross the fields to the water behind me, ahhh, it could heal my heart. And it did.

Teenage kids and ailing parents forced me back into town but that house I could have lived in forever. Watching wildlife does indeed heal the heart and soul.

And as a Christian, I was closer to God's work right there than I was in a glass enclosed coffin of a Church, being berated by the elders.


If dems were to win control of ONE house-they would investigate the hell out of the clusterfuck administration.

I actually don't believe it.

I don't know if it's timidity, or some misguided notion of moving on "for the good of the nation," or just that Karl has the goods on everyone via NSA surveillance.

But I just don't think that, with a Dem congress, we would have the spate of hearings like we had in the 70s when Watergate became the loose thread that unravelled a whole tapestry of wrong-doing.

Perhaps the best we can hope for is a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission," as semi-seriously suggested by Josh Marshall some time ago. At least restore a sense of reality to the country.

Though even getting there is going to take an almighty crack-up of the propaganda machine that is running the country now. Total collapse of the dollar, explosion of oil prices..... Something that affects people personally so they can't just shrug and move on, like they've basically done with NO (Bush's JAR ratings edging up end of 06).....


CityGirl | 02.19.06 - 9:05 am

Hmm. I haven't been screening Matalin as closely as I should have...if Cheney called her at 700PM CST last Saturday, he must have been in full wig-out. If he called her 700AM EST Sunday, then she was low man on the totem poll and Rover handed that status to her.

Also explains why Matalin looked so damned bad in that one photo -- she's been tasked to do some serious bailing of the good ship Cheney and whatever she's bailing reeks. Imagine one of either: finding out your boss is a bigger butthead than the guy you hated for his indiscretions (Clinton) if she was really naive, or having to do exactly what Carville had to to for Clinton.

I'd like to know how people in these circles work; how does Barbara Comstock fit with somebody like Matalin? Do they exchange notes? and in Cheney's "Shot-gate", did they both get marching orders from Rover?


The Strategy of Comfortable Acquiescence.

This works well for a while when trying to establish empathy during therapy. Even then it has limitations to avoid giving the client a false sense of superiority.
It has been the fallback position of Dem talking heads post '96. This reinforces stereotypes of Dems as having little or no conviction.

There was a small window once when Carville's ego and his outward presentation were in lock-step. That was some good punditting back then.

Dems need to please get over feeling guilty for having convictions that differ from their Republican overlords or the DLC.

Have convictions, state them over and over, stand behind them in the face of ANY criticism.


susan - THE FUCK YEAH

I haven't checked my powerball numbers yet - but if do I win the $365 million - every last freakin cent of it would go to ANYONE who could/would set up a war room to put in Joe & Jane sixpack's faces 24/7 what this aristocracy is truly costing them. Jesus Christ, their side actually was able to spin Clinton's "Haircutgate" into a weeklong story and enduring national myth. And we are so INCREDIBLY LAME we can't even get traction on the TRUTH of a ruinous, half-trillion dollar war based on bullshit, the TRUTH of two obvious stinking drunks at the helm, the TRUTH of a city destroyed and nobody giving a fuck except the crony-$$-parasites, gods it goes on and on and on

WHY after all this time and destruction has nobody started OUR hard-hitting, reptile-brain, entertaining Fox News? Why why why?


p.s. Bumiller from the NYT should go to work at the Washington Post....she's a truly useless questioner.
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She's been writing the White House Love Letter column for -- how long? four or five years now? -- and it's a Victory for All That Is Good, and a minor miracle besides, when she proves she can still talk about something besides CF's favorite flavor of ice cream. Credit where credit is due.

As Bob Somerby (I think) usually adds, remember who was writing the WH Letter column before Bush took office?

(Me either -- there wasn't one. Damn liberal media ...)

Kind regards,
Dog, etc.
searching for home


Skipping the Sunday shows because its...
Daytona Sunday! (insert roaring engines and burning rubber here)

Amongst Nascar fans, one of the key signs of class is the ability to apologize and the willingness to take responsibility. Drivers, at the end of 4-5 hours of driving with super-precision at 200mph never blame their crew for not winning - they say "the boys gave me a great machine and *I* didn't bring it home" ... when they win, they don't boast of their own skill, they instead thank their crew for giving them a car that could win ... and the ones who forget the importance of apologies when they spin out other drivers are hated ... this morning a big topic is Kurt Busch's attempt to gain back fan respect (GQ voted him #3 amongst the top ten most hated sport guys) and all the comments from the former drivers have been "he has to learn to say 'I'm sorry'"

Now it's clear to me, and always has been, that W and Dick and Rove and all were never Nascar fans just users of the symbolic language that appeals to many of the real fans - but I'd argue that this is precisely where they have lost popularity numbers - they never take responsiblity, never recognize and treat well the real troops, and never apologize.

*Go Fast, Turn Left*


Bumiller previously worked for the Miami Herald. As I understand it, there are certain wealthy individuals in Southern Florida that cultivate journalists over long periods of time. They can be useful for various reasons.
Now who in the Administration who would have regular contact with Bumiller also have extensive connections to wealthy individuals in Miami?


Late to discussion and probably will get EPU'd but just a couple of comments while reading the thread.
CityGirl's "Mary Matalin is part of story and part of cover-up"
Undecided's "Newsweek saying Cheney spoke with Addington Saturday eve."
It appears to me and may have already been mentioned that Cheney went to his WHIG group to get ideas for cover and did not even bother to call the President or even let him know that he was the shooter. Pres. had to find out from Rover and Ari.


new thread


And they said Rasputin was dead!


I've hunted, and this south Texas Republican BWANA hunting is not real hunting.

To this Texan, it ain't real huntin' either. Nor is putting up a platform 8 feet in the air, and setting out corn every week, year round, to get deer to gather around, so a hunter can nab some venison.

As I told a hunter down here, you're not a real hunter when you can be so safely tucked away from your kills that there's no frickin' challenge. If a hunter wants to impress me, he'd better get a spear (a bow and arrow will do in a pinch), and chase down that deer on your own two feet (maybe a horse) for some mano a mano hunting action. Otherwise, I'll just think he's a wimp who's a) a sadistic fuck who gets off to killing things, b) a guy overcompensating for having such a little dick that he has to wave a gun around, or c) both.


Why we love MSNBC: "New Orleans holds the first Mardi Gras celebrations since Hurricane Katrina." Which happened how many years ago?


Mary Matalin doesn't come off well. She comes off as a liar. We've all worked with/known people whose mouths get going so fast--like the spin cycle on a washer--they transfix you. The faster they talk, the more bs they're spewing. Everyone can see through her. Why should Mo Do and Gregory go down into the pits with her? Maybe they should just send her a copy of "On Bullshit" by that Princeton professor.

Also, Russert is in bed with the Carville-Matalin Burlesque Show, as we all know. Must keep the franchise going, for Lukie's sake. I just won't watch it anymore.


Mary is being paid well to be the VPs mouthpiece. James will have it a lot easier time of it as inept as this bunch is. Damn! Old Harry is lucky to be alive?


Isn't it great what you can get on your ipod these days.


There's a cautionary show biz maxim: "Never go on stage with animals or children -- they'll steal the scene every time.
hat's certainly the case with Debbie Allen's newest musical, "Alex in Wonderland," commissioned by the Kennedy Center and running at the Terrace Theater through the weekend.
The title character, Alex, is played by Kyle Jones, a talented, pint-sized charmer. He acts. He belts out songs. He lights up the stage. And when he taps with a "grown-up" he blows her away with relaxed easy grace. Talk about a scene stealer -- the adults don't have a chance when he's around, and much of the success of the show hangs on his vibrant performance.
But there's a bit of mystery about this young man. Most of the children in the large cast of dancers are seasoned performers. Their bios usually indicate their age -- "Arrington is an 8th grade student," "Chelsea is an 11-year old dancer," "Bethany is a proud 17-year old student." Kyle's bio only tells us he "recently relocated to California from Detroit" and he has appeared "locally, nationally and internationally." Could this diminutive performer be older than he looks?


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