OMG -- that cartoon alone is worth a major tea spew. But the Howie article...bwahahahahaha.
ReddHedd |
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03.03.06 - 12:30 pm | #
I always wondered, ever since he ran with Al Gore, why Leiberman even entertained the idea he was a Democrat.
sozzy |
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03.03.06 - 12:30 pm | #
Lieberman's gonna fire back when he delivers his zellmillerish speech at the 2008 republican convention.
... and thanking fdl for links in the last thread, I forgot Howie? Duh...
That cartoon on downwithtyranny is spew-worthy. And because it mocks my leather peeps, I should be offended. But it's too rich.
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TeddySanFran |
03.03.06 - 12:41 pm | #
GOP Spyware: Minnesota Public Radio is reported that a CD being distributed by Minnesota Republicans which purports to "inform voters about the importance of a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage" is secretly collecting data and transmitting it back to the party. No where on the Republican CD does it inform the viewer that data is being transmitted back to the GOP, or even what other data about the user is being extracted and sent....
Here is a comparison of Bush's February 2006 average to the job approval ratings of other presidents in February or March of the second year after they were re-elected.
President
Month
and Year
Approval
Disapproval
%
%
Truman
February 1950
37
44
Eisenhower
February 1958
54
33
Johnson
February 1966
56
34
Nixon
February 1974
27
62
Reagan
March 1986
63
26
Clinton
February 1998
66
30
George W. Bush
February 2006
40
57
Two presidents had lower approval ratings than Bush in February of the second year after being re-elected: Truman and Nixon. Nixon, of course, went on to resign in August 1974 after reaching an approval rating as low as 24%. Truman reached the lowest job approval rating Gallup has ever recorded, 23%, in November 1951 and again in January 1952.
rwcole |
03.03.06 - 12:50 pm | #
Lieberman is a troll.
sunflower |
03.03.06 - 12:52 pm | #
As a Jewish chick, I tend to feel disgusted and embarrassed pretty much every time Holy Joe opens his mouth. He sure doesn't speak for me. Or anyone else I know, for that matter. Just the fact that he played footsie with Jesse Helms should give us all the ammunition we need to help Ned Lamont defeat him.
What a schmuck.
shoephone |
03.03.06 - 12:53 pm | #
Ok - the link about "graphics love" is not one you want to open when the boss is around...
anotherpawn |
03.03.06 - 12:57 pm | #
Not, I hope, entirely OT: Remember the flap over the Knight-Ridder story by Strobel that somehow, magically was replicated by Kessler at the WaPo?
Romenesko at Poynter remembers, and so do the Knight-Ridder senior editors.
"We've been having some vigorous discussion here -- and have been in correspondence with the ombudsmen of The Washington Post and New York Times -- about various ethical and journalism issues. . . . some of this should raise caution flags for your gatekeeping editors . . . ."
[snip]
"On Feb. 7, Warren Strobel reported on a State Department reorganization that sidelined career arms control experts who don't share the Bush administration's mistrust of international arms negotiations and agreements. Exactly two weeks later, The Washington Post published a virtually identical story by Glenn Kessler. We say 'virtually identical' only because the stories were written with different words. There was not a single fact in Kessler's story that was not in Strobel's, the product of weeks of careful enterprise reporting and interviews . . . . We have asked, through the Post's ombudsman, Deborah Howell, who was once executive editor in St. Paul, for a published acknowledgement of the Knight Ridder story. . . "
I've been meaning to go spend some $ at ActBlue and now I finally have...I feel GOOD.
Dru |
03.03.06 - 1:00 pm | #
Jeez, that's *just* about race/sexual orientation for the most part. That's plenty obnoxious, and it doesn't even really get into Lieberman's disloyalty, the constant "I'm going to shit in my party's nest and then complain about the smell" whining.
In totally unrelated news, Lieberman's Democratic affiliation reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry is irritated by his dentist, who he thinks has converted to Judaism for the sole purpose of telling Jewish jokes. Lieberman seems to be a Democrat for the sole purpose of making fun of the rest of the party and its members.
Chris |
03.03.06 - 1:00 pm | #
That comic is absolutely priceless.
Adam |
03.03.06 - 1:01 pm | #
Jane,
Thanx for the link to Howie Kline givin it to that snaggly-toothed, pimpley-faced, snotnosed sack of shit Lieberman...I jest unloaded $25 on Ned Lamont as a result. I'm gunna stop by Kline's shop once and again, he writes good.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON'T SLOW DOWN IF YA SEE 'EM IN THE CROSSWALK!!!
NorskeFlamethrower |
03.03.06 - 1:01 pm | #
rwcole >"GOP Spyware...No where on the Republican CD does it inform the viewer..."
Good grounds for a class action law suit IMO
When Sony did something like this they got sued big time
Who will be the one to nail the Minnesota ReThugs ?
Think Global, Act Local ya know
And no, I AM NOT A LAWYER...{< :
"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
daCascadian |
03.03.06 - 1:06 pm | #
Hey, guess how many dogs are in Chimpy's traveling security entourage? 65. That's right, sixty fucking five.
Sharkbabe |
03.03.06 - 1:07 pm | #
P.S. Janie,
Thank you for your posts on NARL and Planned Parenthood...I have been playin' hell tryin to explain to my 21 year old and 18 year old daughters how we could ever have let their right to choose be endangered like it is. You and Redd are resources for my kids...thanx from a dad who needs all the help he can get.
NorskeFlamethrower |
03.03.06 - 1:08 pm | #
These are creatures that lead their own brothers and sisters to their doom and slaughter, then they get out of the way just before they themselves are slaughtered.
It seems to me that Portgate is going to have quite the effect all around on Liebermann and other war hawks. Portgate shows us that its business as usual during this so-called "War on Terra". Arab nations, American, and even Joe's Israeli government are all content to continue business as usual in the name of "free trade". That strikes a rather odd note among we peons who see our soldiers along with the Iraqi civilian population in such dire straits for this "just" (snark) cause.
nlacey |
03.03.06 - 1:12 pm | #
extreme anxiety, or even terror, when subjected to any situation which is outside of his or her blogging "safety zone."
that's me - fashioned it when I realized in the course of reading through the last few threads - I can't read what they're doing to fuck miners and their families, can't read Froomkin on China, India, Pakistan, not because I'm lazy or diletante - just one link away from losing it. So I remain here, safe with y'all as my filters.
not a total WATB, still sign petitions, send faxes, donate when I can, call Congress, occasional forays to Gillard or tbogg, maintain a balanced family/work life, and would gladly slip over a wall in the night if directed by most of the progressives here.
just wondering if it's my personal response to the times, some blogospheric phenomena, or both.
btw, not to be confused w/ Blogwhorophobia (where are wilson and punaise when you need them ?)
cbl |
03.03.06 - 1:13 pm | #
Constant Reader @ 03.03.06 quotes Knight-Ridder: "We've been having some vigorous discussion here -- and have been in correspondence with the ombudsmen of The Washington Post ..."
Hey, good luck with that. We've been trying to get hold of her for weeks about some "inartful" writing of hers ...
Cujo359 |
03.03.06 - 1:15 pm | #
Today we have Howie Klein, versus last nights thread about Joe "the Lesser" Klein. What a huge difference between their writing. Oh my Jane you are right, Howie's HuffPo piece is sublime smack down!
I'm so glad to see you will have categories now on the new site. Do you plan to have one for Lieberman? He's GOT to go.
Shez |
03.03.06 - 1:19 pm | #
Ho.... puzzled's link.
Brownie sticking the knife into Chertoff...
"I had been screaming internally that the budget cuts, the personnel cuts and what they were doing within Homeland Security was in effect marginalizing FEMA, and I predicted that at some point -- in a very specific memo to both Tom Ridge and to Chertoff -- that at some point, FEMA would fail," Brown said. "I just didn't expect to be in the middle of the failure."
Where's that very specific memo?
anotherpawn |
03.03.06 - 1:19 pm | #
Here is article about Kate Harris of Florida taking money. Join the club Kate. Still room.
Cujo - had to chuckle at that one. ;-)
anotherpawn |
03.03.06 - 1:24 pm | #
Howie Klein's piece was outstanding. WTF was Gore thinking? (That was a rhetorical question, I understand the arguements though I don't agree with them).
Aside to shoephone: Don't be embarrassed...I never assumed he was speaking for anyone Jewish despite the fact that I am well aware he is Jewish. He always struck me as having more in common with the evangelical ultra-right than most of the Jewish people I know.
sonofslothrop |
03.03.06 - 1:32 pm | #
mkultramaroon:
you owe me a new keyboard, buddy. that's freakin' hilarious!
roxtar |
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03.03.06 - 1:33 pm | #
UPDATE #2: Holy mogambo...we've been nominated for a Koufax for Best Blog. Wow. Thanks, really, just thanks.
A well-deserved nomination!
Stephen Parrish, CPA |
03.03.06 - 1:34 pm | #
NorskeFlamethrower @ 03.03.06 - 1:08 pm -- Twenty-one and 18, eh? Another point you can drive home to them is, how many of their friends voted for pro-choice candidates, or voted at all FTM? It's one of the more startling statistics about voting how few young women vote, especially single ones. Of course, young men have a similarly low turnout rate, but last I checked none of them were in need of an abortion. Even among college-educated women, turnout is now below 40% in midterm elections, if the trends I saw in a 2003 survey hold true.
Young women's fate is, to a considerable degree, in their own hands now. If they showed up in numbers similar to their parents', I doubt there'd even be an abortion debate. There is some hope. This article quoted by Women's Voices, Women Vote, says that young women were one of the few demographics to turn out in greater numbers in the 2004 Presidential election.
anotherpawn @ 03.03.06 - 1:24 pm -- I've been keeping an eye on the ghost town the WaPo calls their blog, so the irony was hard to miss.
Cujo359 |
03.03.06 - 1:45 pm | #
Jeannie Z; just saw your post re: Berkeley ; I was just passing through & my cousins introduced me to bb... bless their hearts!
Dru |
03.03.06 - 1:46 pm | #
mkultramaroon @ 03.03.06 - 1:22 pm -- I'm still wiping spittle off my monitor...
Cujo359 |
03.03.06 - 1:46 pm | #
Give Joe both barrels!
Maximus |
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03.03.06 - 1:47 pm | #
You know that Joementum is the ranking member on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He and Susan Collins are buddy buddy all the freakin' time.
On no other committee does the chairman give over the gavel to the ranking member, but Susan always hands it to Joey when she has to take a powder or go vote against women's issues, or just to give J some face time. It is truly weird. The last time I saw this, she giggled and said now don't do anything I wouldn't do and he said I won't. duh.
I watch alot of cspan.
angie |
03.03.06 - 1:48 pm | #
AN AIR BASE IN IRAQ - The U.S. Air Force has begun moving heavily armed AC-130 airplanes — the lethal “flying gunships” of the Vietnam War — to a base in Iraq as commanders search for new tools to counter the Iraqi resistance, The Associated Press has learned.
An AP reporter saw the first of the turboprop-driven aircraft after it landed at the airfield this week. Four are expected.
The Iraq-based special forces command controlling the AC-130s, the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, said it would have no comment on the deployment. But the plan’s general outline was confirmed by other Air Force officers, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the subject.
rwcole |
03.03.06 - 1:55 pm | #
OT, but I have to let off some steam. Looks like aside from giving India the green light to stockpile as many nukes as they can produce, Bushie also agreed to sell them some F-16's. And we just sold Pakistan some F-16's last year.
WTF is going on here? What is our ally in the war on terror going to feel about this? Could Bush be pressuring Musharref with this in addition to trying to couterweight China? Is this how he plans to get Perez to hand over Osama (give me Osama and more goodies for you too?) or is he trying to promote Armageddon so that he can meet his savior soon?
I just don't see any benefit to the U.S. being the Santa Claus responsible for this kind of arms proliferation, nuclear and non-nuclear, especially in such a hot zone as India/Pakistan.
sonofslothrop |
03.03.06 - 1:58 pm | #
Joe is toast, may he be appointed Secretary of Defense in January '07...oh wouldn't it be wonderful ta see Joemenstrum gettin' grilled by majority Democrats on the Defense Appropriations Committee. (Please oh God I promise I'll be good, jest do this one thing for me...).
KEEP THE FAITH, WE'LL ALWAYS BE ABLE TA KICK OLD JOE AROUND!!
NorskeFlamethrower |
03.03.06 - 1:59 pm | #
angie -- I guess you do ;)
jane hamsher |
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03.03.06 - 2:00 pm | #
Klein article was great
"Lieberman's carefully disguised dog whistle brand of political bigotry"
angie | 03.03.06 - 1:48 pm |
God how grotesque and to think this *flirtation* is at the expense of CT folk.
LamontBlog.blog.com has a post & a link to an interesting article about another three-headed monster. No not Farrell (D)/Shays (R)/Lieberman D-not. But Libeerman/Rickie Santorum/McCain. Lamont volunteer call tommorrow for CT folks and the *only* antidote for outraged folks from the New Haven area.
mui |
03.03.06 - 2:01 pm | #
I was scanning the site meter, one of the connections was...
army.mil
Fort Belvoir, Virginia
1:55:14 pm 1 0:00 http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/
Are we being graced by the centcomblogteam?
anotherpawn |
03.03.06 - 2:02 pm | #
anotherpawn,
Certainly possible I guess but I always remind myself that there are people of conscience in the military and other agencies who might be reading for the same reasons we are.
The one time I was bored and checked, I saw logins from the department of justice btw.
sonofslothrop |
03.03.06 - 2:05 pm | #
That was a KICK-ASS post by Howie on the HuffPo...WOWWWWWW!!!!
Ol'BushBot Joe is on his way out I can feel it!
Franco |
03.03.06 - 2:06 pm | #
sonofslothrop | 03.03.06 - 1:58 pm | #
here is my crazy but sincere take-
Re: Bush on India's nukes ; I think he is fomenting a ”nucular” war; Marc Herold has pointed out that the true meaning of the US occupation is “Afghanistan is an empty space and is to be kept that way.” It seems to me that Bush and Co. would be happy to apply that policy to the whole region. India v. Pakistan ain't just cricket.
Dru | 03.02.06 - 9:52 am | #
Dru |
03.03.06 - 2:06 pm | #
Did anyone else happen to see the piece in the Hartford Courant on 2-28-06 regarding Republicans considering endorsing Holy Joe? I haven't seen any discussion about it, but maybe it's just me. It's on the TruthOut site. http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/
030106T.shtml
Corner Stone |
03.03.06 - 2:06 pm | #
if the centcomblogteam isnt monitoring this blog, I'd like to know exactly where the hell my tax dollars are going! FDL is a 'hot blog' and damn well better be watched -- all the better to 'assist' in catapulting the propaganda.
Wilson46201 |
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03.03.06 - 2:07 pm | #
I just gave $100 to Ned Lamont.
Does anyone know how the polls for the CT primary look? Is it razor close right now?
anon |
03.03.06 - 2:08 pm | #
anotherpawn @ 03.03.06 - 2:02 pm -- I just read ReddHedd's update about the Army concern trolls, and was wondering when they'd be showing up. Do you suppose they'll be honest enough to identify themselves when they write, or are they just going to be another astroturf gang?
Cujo359 |
03.03.06 - 2:09 pm | #
Hmm, I am thinking of an anonymously sent video of Collins & Lieberman in unholy poses posted on the internet. Anyone logging that? But since we are talking of other people's infamy, I would think the loggers(?) would be turned off by the people they log for.
Corner Stone | 03.03.06 - 2:06 pm
Saw that. To think Nancy Pelosi called Shays braindead!
mui |
03.03.06 - 2:11 pm | #
Joe Lieberman a homophobe?
I really think you should examine his 2004 campaign signage.
Dare I say, it appears to be positively Sphincteresque…
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mkultramaroon | 03.03.06 - 1:22 pm | #
Now, there's an oportunity for a little subtle Photoshoping if ever I saw one.
Simply putting a tuck in the "bottom " curve under the "star" would do wonders.
Gotta be subtle, though
Griffon |
03.03.06 - 2:11 pm | #
a while back on an official Congressional computer I sorta regularly and boredly accessed the Al-Jazzera website (along with many others) - even voted in their online polls. I later wondered why 'security' never inquired about it...
Wilson46201 |
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03.03.06 - 2:11 pm | #
" AN AIR BASE IN IRAQ - The U.S. Air Force has begun moving heavily armed AC-130 airplanes — the lethal “flying gunships” of the Vietnam War.."
RWCole, are there now North Vietnamese insurgents too? Boy things are getting tough.
Certainly a new phase of the "hearts and minds" campaign. Spreading Iraqi hearts and minds all over the landscape.
Oh, it is only going to get bloodier for everyone invloved...what a tragedy an unending tragedy.
Hey, watch what you're saying about guys who get only 200 hits a day!
To borrow from Steve Martin, "I resemble that remark!"
seenos |
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03.03.06 - 2:12 pm | #
Joe has made me sick ever since the VP debates in 00 when he has his snout and sagging jowels between Cheney's overinflated butt cheeks.
Mental note to self: Pick up a bottle of brain disinfectant at store to remove that image.
Mister Larry |
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03.03.06 - 2:12 pm | #
anotherpawn | 03.03.06 - 2:02 pm | #
Or wait! Call in the General. Perhaps unpatriotic elements of the military are planning a coup against "our most Christian Leader"!
mui |
03.03.06 - 2:14 pm | #
Way OT, but--
Mike Stark has hooked the big falafel.
And has been threatened for doing so.
RossK |
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03.03.06 - 2:15 pm | #
Griffon | 03.03.06 - 2:11 pm |:
You should run with the photoshop tweaks...I'm a bit of a Luddite
...anybody notice that Joe's keister is actually red ?
This came from the Hartford Courant. The cartoonist (Englehart) is usually very trite. I had to admit, that this one was pretty good when I saw it yesterday. Thanks for sharing - Lieberman is a dangerous wolf in sheep's clothing.
David Sieser |
03.03.06 - 2:18 pm | #
Looks as if the US military is about to say "enough" to it's current role in Iraq. Next will be fire from the sky rather than boots on the ground. Course that means that half of those killed will be innocents- but that's the way the cookie crumbles in the merry ol land of Oz.
rwcole |
03.03.06 - 2:19 pm | #
Sy Hersch has been talking about fire from the sky for some time now; although he is about the only one I've heard :(
Dru |
03.03.06 - 2:21 pm | #
CENTCOM Creates "Blog Team" To Scan Blogs. Shameful, big brother.
mui |
03.03.06 - 2:23 pm | #
I should add that CENTCOM isn't mentioned as one of the "tenant organizations" (IOW, agencies located on that base) of Ft. Belvoir, nor do I recall any such thing. CENTCOM is based in Florida, maybe on McDill AFB, which is where the byline is.
It is, however, one of the major haunts of CECOM, the Army's Communications and Electronics Command.
Cujo359 |
03.03.06 - 2:24 pm | #
"...anybody notice that Joe's keister is actually red ?"
One would think that with all of the use it gets it would be a little bigger too.
mui--
I lived in CT and feel your pain. I do like Dodd though. His father was a distinguished prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials. Wouldn't it be cool if Dodd could preside over a similar trial here......
angie |
03.03.06 - 2:25 pm | #
i mean prosecute, not preside.
angie |
03.03.06 - 2:27 pm | #
angie | 03.03.06 - 2:25 pm | #
I like Dodd too. For the most part. I like it when he gets angry and righteous for the Democrats. Wish we could see more of that.
mui |
03.03.06 - 2:28 pm | #
Will any Ct Rethugs change party to vote for Traitor Joe? Should a Dem run in the GOP primary as a check on the GOP? Just to shake them up! Keep them in their own primary.
alice |
03.03.06 - 2:40 pm | #
Now I am trying to jog my memory a little. About the time of the 2000 campaign, a rabbi from CT got so angry with Lieberman he made some foolish statements & Secret Service was put on heightened alert since Lieberman was by then Vice Presidential candidate, I think. I should probably try & look that one up. Could be another good "holy Joe" story. Don't know if the rabbi was extreme or not though.
mui |
03.03.06 - 3:02 pm | #
"WTF was Gore thinking?"
Holy Joe doesn't miss an opportunity to put his religious convictions on display.
This was suppose to impress "people of faith" who think Dems are a bunch of god forsaken heathens.
Unfortunately, most of the red necks that Joe was trying to impress don't really cotton to Jews.
susan |
03.03.06 - 3:09 pm | #
"Sy Hersch has been talking about fire from the sky for some time now"
Fire in the sky is coming soon. Read this at Raw Story:
AP: AC-130 gunships returning to Iraq
By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent
(Published: March 3, 2006)
"AN AIR BASE IN IRAQ (AP) - The U.S. Air Force has begun moving heavily armed AC-130 airplanes - the lethal "flying gunships" of the Vietnam War - to a base in Iraq as commanders search for new tools to counter the Iraqi resistance, The Associated Press has learned.
An AP reporter saw the first of the turboprop-driven aircraft after it landed at the airfield this week. Four are expected.
The Iraq-based special forces command controlling the AC-130s, the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, said it would have no comment on the deployment. But the plan's general outline was confirmed by other Air Force officers, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the subject.
Military officials warned that disclosing the location of the aircraft's new base would violate security provisions of rules governing media access to U.S. installations.
The four-engine gunships, whose home base is Hurlburt Field in Florida, have operated over Iraq before, flying from airfields elsewhere in the region. In November 2004, air-to-ground fire from AC-130s supported the U.S. attack that took the western city of Fallujah from insurgents. Basing the planes inside Iraq will cut hours off their transit time to reach suspected targets.
The left-side ports of the AC-130s, 98-foot-long planes that can slowly circle over a target for long periods, bristle with a potent arsenal - 40 mm cannon that can fire 120 rounds per minute, and big 105 mm cannon, normally a field artillery weapon. The plane's latest version, the AC-130U, known as "Spooky," also carries Gatling gun-type 20 mm cannon.
The gunships were designed primarily for battlefield use to place saturated fire on massed troops. In Vietnam, for example, they were deployed against North Vietnamese supply convoys along the Ho Chi Minh Trail, where the Air Force claimed to have destroyed 10,000 trucks over several years.
The use of AC-130s in places like Fallujah, urban settings where insurgents may be among crowded populations of noncombatants, has been criticized by human rights groups.
The slow-moving AC-130s also offer an intelligence gathering advantage in the Iraq fight: sophisticated long-range video, infrared and radar sensors.
American commanders are marshaling all available tools to detect the Iraqi insurgents' stealthy operations, especially at night, when they plant roadside bombs targeting American road patrols and convoys.
The Air Force's senior tactical commander in Iraq said the AC-130 can be both a high-intensity and low-intensity weapon.
"It's got tons of guns, and it's got all kinds of stuff on it that can be applied to the problems you have," Brig. Gen. Frank Gorenc, who refused to discuss the current AC-130 deployment, said in an AP interview.
That "stuff" includes "the ability to take these high-tech pods and to use them to find guys planting (bombs) and to find other nefarious activity," he said.
The Predator drone - the MQ-1 unmanned aerial vehicle - has been a reconnaissance workhorse in Iraq, but Air Force officers say they don't have enough to meet demand for missions. The fiscal 2007 Defense Department budget proposed last month by the Bush administration envisions spending $1.6 billion on additional reconnaissance drones."
susan |
03.03.06 - 3:12 pm | #
Sorry for Repost:
Joementum is a victim of demographics, hate to say, he can't help himself
Norman Finkelstein has done a lot of research in this area (see his book Beyond Chutzpah), and has argued with Alan "Torture Warrant" Dershowitz.
His conclusion:
By and large, Jewish America is democratic (75% - 80%).
The exception are the Jewish elite, which are predominantly a single issue group that:
Tend to be reactionary, and Likudnik.
Staunchly defend Israel, and think American taxpayers/soldiers should too.
These folks are the very definition of hypocritical. Take Dershowitz, who is big on civil rights, claims to be liberal, etc. Except for Arabs, for whom he thinks preemptive torture is OK (his ticking timebomb crap).
NYT Tom Friedman is another good example. Lieberman, Friedman and Dershowitz, like the rest of the Neocons, sleep easy at night knowing that there are Arabs and Muslims killing eachother, or being killed (especially by non-Jews) somewhere in the world.
The political engine representing these ideas that needs to be stopped is AIPAC/AEI lobby.
Say what you will about the NRA, or the anti-abortion groups, or the military complex; at least they represent Americans.
You want to know what our men and women in uniform deserve more than anything else: campaign finance reform.
Yeah, like that will happen. Sorry for the heavy reality folks, but for this group civil war is, and has always been, the desired outcome in Iraq.
kemo |
03.03.06 - 3:24 pm | #
"By and large, Jewish America is democratic (75% - 80%)."
Certainly plenty of Jewish Americans angry at lieberman in my neck of the woods. That's why I say be careful of accusing Joe of being Pro Israel/Zioinist (to my mind he is merely an opportunistic lying $#%.) Too many people in CT would like Noam Chomsky if they didn't think he was antisemitc . Irest my case. Hope Lamont can get the Nader-ites to back him as well. I've got more than a few in mind.
mui |
03.03.06 - 4:30 pm | #
mui,
I am not sure Joe would mind the characterization. To him, it's cool, and to be sure, there is nothing wrong with being Pro-Israel (I certainly am, but only after my own country).
I am pointing out that IMO, it is this persuasion that makes him cross party lines.
Cheers, I don't mean to offend anyone.
kemo |
03.03.06 - 4:39 pm | #
kemo,
My point is that Joseph Lieberman is *not* Pro-Israel, so much as he is Pro-Joe. Pro Joeness overwhelms all other considerations. Ta hell with us whiny prochoice constituents. I can't hammer this home hard enough, but I fear he will exploit his "Pro-Israel" National Security type credentials. To my mind, persons of his neocon persuasion are a disastor for Israel, and a disastor for America . Which is why, we need to shout him down at any opportunity he might have, whenever he claims a kind of Daddy Knows Best argument, which is so revoltingly appealing to some women in CT.
mui |
03.03.06 - 4:50 pm | #
mui,
Well said. Sounds like you have a good understanding of Joe. He is a politician above all else, and he will use his religion to garner votes, and support. AIPAC is a clear winner for Joe.
Keep in mind he is devout, as his brother, who was an ADL board member and dual citizen.
I agree also that the Neocons and the Iraq war are a disaster for Israel, and have stated so on this blog. This was a debate before the war even started.
kemo |
03.03.06 - 5:07 pm | #
"Keep in mind he is devout, as his brother, who was an ADL board member and dual citizen."
Yeah, yeah I know Kemo,
We have a a lot of *devout* people. We have Alito, G.W., Pat Robertson, Lieberman. Alito spoke of *feeling people's prayers* during his confirmation hearing. Oh yeah? They surely wasn't my prayers, because I prayed the filibuster would work. Does that make me less righteous?
Sorry. I'm just so annoyed at all these folks wearing religion on their sleeves as if it makes them the anointed ones.
mui |
03.03.06 - 5:39 pm | #
I just contributed to Lamont. JOEmentum, indeed....
More like JOEmental.
He and every other DLC loser needs to be booted so that we can truly have an opposition party (if we remain in the minority). Of course, getting rid of Republicans-lite may put us in the majority, since we'd actually have a message.
James |
03.04.06 - 11:42 pm | #
