Bush's talk about IED's 'n shit must've scared 'em off.
Maybe if they pass a resolution against IED's they'll worry less about being "unpatriotic" ... in the eyes of people who will never vote for them?
.
Grand Moff Texan |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 1:50 pm | #
Grand Moff - Haven't seen you here in a while. Welcome back. How's that Tx investigation Re: darth?
california_reality_check |
03.13.06 - 1:53 pm | #
Who's the 15? I must have missed the list somewhere.
Terre |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 1:53 pm | #
he relies on the credibility of the office of the president-- Constitutional Crisis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
angie |
03.13.06 - 1:53 pm | #
"Nothing short of a constitutional crisis." Feingold.
Anonymous |
03.13.06 - 1:54 pm | #
Won't someone cop to giving Bush a blowjob, so the rest of the politicos can finally get outraged at this administration?
lisa |
03.13.06 - 1:54 pm | #
sorry I'm late but this is from a previous thread and I don't want this to get lost;
redd, we need to start putting the wiretap program in the proper perspective and take it away from the "national security" perspective.
we need to point out that the president is not allowed to spy on people for his own financial gain or his own personal vendettas
THAT'S the way these wiretaps need to be represented.
we need to actually poo pooh the subject of national security as "of COURSE" he can spy on people that have ANY chance of helping our fight against terrorism, and those wiretaps need to take place BEFORE the warrant is applied for.
and they ARE
but the president NEEDS to show a link or what caused them to think their might be a link
otherwise the president will use the awesome power of the United States of America to achive his own financial gain and to reap reprisal against his own personal enemies
that's the way this subject needs to be broached
me to me |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 1:54 pm | #
we have to check a President who has violated and continues to violate the law
angie |
03.13.06 - 1:54 pm | #
GOP shrill shill
70.182.241.3
Kevin Mark Smith |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 1:55 pm | #
If we won't stand up for our system of gov't then the terrorists have won.
angie |
03.13.06 - 1:55 pm | #
Bunch of spineless bastards. Support Russ!
california_reality_check |
03.13.06 - 1:56 pm | #
Does this resolution "send a terrible signal" to terrorists?
The terrible signal is that we don't stand up to defend the rule of law.
Resolution of censure is a time-honored means for Congress to express the most serious ... short of impeachment.
whoa, the man is on fire
meta |
03.13.06 - 1:56 pm | #
President admitted he did not brief the full intelligence committees. This is against the law.
that comes from a previous post about the think progress talking points
could someone give a link that proves that point please?
me to me |
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03.13.06 - 1:56 pm | #
Feingold: "In our system of government no one, not even the President, is above the law."
(end of speech)
Sen. Spector will now speak. Asks Feingold to stay on the floor.
Prof |
03.13.06 - 1:57 pm | #
Too bad Feingold wasn't able to tell Specter when he rudely interrupted at the beginning for an instant copy of the resolution that he must have read it online already along with the rest of America. Asshats.
Shez |
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03.13.06 - 1:58 pm | #
Kevin Mark Smith says "Bush tapped the phones of terrorist sympathizers. Stop being a knee-jerk liberal and think about America's security."
Kevin: If that's the case, wouldn't it have been a simple feat to have gotten the FISA court to provide a WARRANT?
You have been duped, just like the rest.
Madam_Deb |
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03.13.06 - 1:58 pm | #
Yeah, Russ!!!
It is SO unsenatorial, though, to talk plainly, strongly and directly to the American people.
Specter up now. WTF? "fond soliloquy?"
Edward Teller |
03.13.06 - 1:58 pm | #
Where did Feingold go? Press conference?
meta |
03.13.06 - 1:59 pm | #
Spector: Asks staffers if they would invite Feingold to return to the floor to listen to him.
At the outset, I agree with a number of things that the Senator from Wisconsin said.
(But) when he comes to the "resolved clause" and speaks of censure, I think he is vastly excessive, over the top, beyond the pale. The facts cited in this resolution simply do not support that kind of conclusion.
Prof |
03.13.06 - 1:59 pm | #
Specter is such a Dillhole
The Captain |
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03.13.06 - 1:59 pm | #
Spectator the Apologist is spewing bullshit at the moment. Fuck off, you idiot.
meta |
03.13.06 - 2:00 pm | #
I liked when Feingold said that Bush's subverting the law as he has done is a "victory for the terrorists," because we won't stand up for our own Constitutional rule of law.
Sorry if Craig Tinsdale (or someone else) has posted this already in previous comments threads. But it's pretty jawdropping.
Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, an active participant and diehard Bush ally in the whole Iraq fraud, made a speech yesterday which is frankly quite stunning. It could only be more stunning if it were coming from the lips of Silvio Berlusconi or Tony Blair.
And then imagine, just imagine, what might happen if any major American political figure had the guts to stand up and say something like this.
KM |
03.13.06 - 2:00 pm | #
Maybe Specter has a "Magic Bullet" soloution for this problem...
The Captain |
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03.13.06 - 2:00 pm | #
Spector: There has been a good deal of testimony from reputable sources saying that the Pres. does have authority under Article II.
So Specter is saying FISA is unconstitutional all of a sudden. Brilliant.
Dover Bitch |
03.13.06 - 2:01 pm | #
Specter = Dillhole? Ya got a picher a dat? Havin trouble with the visualization right now.
california_reality_check |
03.13.06 - 2:01 pm | #
"We cannot make a law" -- Der, Sen. Specter. The Congress DID make a law--27 years ago. It's called FISA!
Madam_Deb |
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03.13.06 - 2:02 pm | #
Spector is getting mean, now. Man, he is so missing the point.
meta |
03.13.06 - 2:02 pm | #
Where is feingold to defend his remarks?
The Captain |
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03.13.06 - 2:02 pm | #
Eeyowww!!!
Feingold smoked 'em.
I tried to listen while Specter was speaking, but just couldn't.
It must be lonely at the top, being the only senator who is willing to speak out when the President breaks the law.
egregious |
03.13.06 - 2:03 pm | #
Feingold has left the building...
The Captain |
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03.13.06 - 2:03 pm | #
Specter: Doesn't the Constitution trump a statute? Ahole, lots of other scholars say article 2 does not trump FISA.
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:03 pm | #
So why didn't every single one of the Dems stand up and applaud Feingold's guts and truth??? I didn't hear anything.
Shez |
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03.13.06 - 2:04 pm | #
P.S. Big thanks to all the Labor groups and Democrats who worked to get Specter re-elected. He needs the netroots fury unleashed on him in the near future.
The Captain |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:04 pm | #
Spector is such a tool. I'm embarrased for him.
TheOtherWA |
03.13.06 - 2:04 pm | #
He's arguing for inherent authority under Article II because Abu Gonzales says he has it. Pulling that circle a little tighter, much?
meta |
03.13.06 - 2:04 pm | #
Specter saying that he's upset that Feingold isn't on the floor "to answer a simple question: Doesn't the constitution trump a statute?"
Gawd. Specter has totally collapsed on the powers of the legislature. Unbelievable.
Don't trust Republicans to defend Congress' Article I powers.
"A number of academicians testified . . . . And the Attorney General testified at length that the Pres. has inherent authority under Article II."
Maybe it's good for Specter to be doing this:
Call your Senators with this question:
Are you on the side of Specter, who says that Congress has no role to play, or Feingold, who is standing up for Senatorial prerogatives?
Do Senators support Specter's weak-kneed interpretation of the powers of Congress under the Constitution? That's the question to ask staffers in Senate offices.
Prof |
03.13.06 - 2:05 pm | #
they want to defend their king, not their president.
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:05 pm | #
Specter<
Rove's got him by the balls.
shoephone |
03.13.06 - 2:05 pm | #
Hmmm, Spector adits the AUMF argument is BS, that's something.
If the only basis they can fall back on is Article II, they're fucked.
I mean, separation of powers trumps Article II, no doubt about it.
Urban Pirate |
03.13.06 - 2:06 pm | #
"That doesn't rule out the Constitution trumping the statute."
"That doesn't rule out the Constitution trumping the statute."
"That doesn't rule out the Constitution trumping the statute."
repeat endlessly until you believe it. The new talking point.
Edward Teller |
03.13.06 - 2:06 pm | #
Just called Harry Reid's office and they're still saying he hasn't decided on censure. He also said that the office is keeping a tally of pro/con calls, so it might be worth others calling: (202) 224-3542.
Lee |
03.13.06 - 2:08 pm | #
Specter: Feingold is right that the statute requires the entire Intelligence Committee to be briefed. (But laws don't matter under the President's supposed constitutional unlimited authority.)
Specter continues to say that there should be more legislation but he no longer has any constitutional basis for passing legislation if the President has "inherent Article II power."
(I thought Serenity should have been up for best picture, though I would have voted for Syriana)
Call me an optimist, but it is true, you can't stop it. Feingold uncorked the bottle, and the genie is out.
Evil Parallel Universe |
03.13.06 - 2:08 pm | #
Forget your own senators just for five minutes. Let's swamp Specter's phone lines.
U.S.Constitution? oh yeah, I seem to remember hearing something about that...
shoephone |
03.13.06 - 2:08 pm | #
President admitted he did not brief the full intelligence committees. This is against the law.
could someone give a link that proves that point please
Statutory Procedures Under Which Congress Is To Be Informed of U.S.
Intelligence Activities, Including Covert Actions - Congressional Research Service January 18, 2006 http://www.epic.org/privacy/terr...sa/
crs11806.pdf
Catch22 |
03.13.06 - 2:08 pm | #
Both NJ Sens offices say they're considering it. Nothing concrete, though.
Sidd Finch |
03.13.06 - 2:09 pm | #
Just received an email from Congressman Conyers. I say we back him and Russ.
"That doesn't rule out the Constitution trumping the statute."
And what part of the Fourth Amendment is not also in the Constitution? Does the Constitution trump itself as well?
Madam_Deb |
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03.13.06 - 2:10 pm | #
Meme to Senators: You're either with Specter and the abdication of Congressional authority that he expressed in the debate today, or you are with Feingold and upholding Congress' authority.
Which is it?
If you vote against censure, you are voting for Bush's all-powers-to-the-President position, as expressed by Specter.
Majority leader Frist says that this is lawful--
Dingleberry, he's a doc and he diagnosed Terri Schiavo...................
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:10 pm | #
"That doesn't rule out the Constitution trumping the statute."
repeat endlessly until you believe it. The new talking point.
Edward Teller | 03.13.06 - 2:06 pm | #
a talking point that will bite them in the ass. last i checked, the 4th amendment was in the constitution.
seems to me that the inherent powers of the president don't trump the inalienable rights of the people.
rustbelt girl |
03.13.06 - 2:10 pm | #
They wanted to get this to a quick vote before:
1. We get organized and line up support
2. Popular support, including our phone campaign, gains traction or reaches a crescendo.
They know as well as we do that polls do not support their postion, and they can only hope to sneak another one by the public.
Frist was acting smug, but don't forget, he gets outmaneuvered regularly. He's an idiot.
The ENUMERATED, SPECIFIED, protections of citizens spelled out in the FOURTH AMENDMENT absolutely do "trump" any unenumerated, unspecified warpowers held by a President while the nation is NOT in a declared state of war.
Got your answer?
Good.
Vote for the Censure.
Mary |
03.13.06 - 2:12 pm | #
Pach - They are scared of the wave
and they should be. It won't stop, although it is just at the beginning.
Evil Parallel Universe |
03.13.06 - 2:12 pm | #
The Fourth Amendment was written AFTER Article II, so it trumps anything Specter can come up with.
Madam_Deb |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:12 pm | #
KM - that site is a hoax. JH's real site is www.pm.gov.au
Edit Me |
03.13.06 - 2:12 pm | #
And what part of the Fourth Amendment is not also in the Constitution? Does the Constitution trump itself as well?
Madam_Deb | Homepage | 03.13.06 - 2:10 pm | #
i swear i wasn't copying you, madam deb :)
rustbelt girl |
03.13.06 - 2:13 pm | #
Only Sessions or Cornyn could do a more piss-poor job.......
they don't have a proverbial leg to stand on.
hey guys, remember Clinton and your claim to the rule of law?
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:14 pm | #
OH MY GOODNESS! I'm listening to Whatshisname from Pennsylvania, It's like paint drying and he STILL has 11 minutes left! Do I have to listen to the rest? He's talking about a family from 1761! I'm gonna slash my wrists! I'm serious! Really! Oh, thank god, my realplayer just had a problem, Whew, I was nervous there.
Todd Merrell |
03.13.06 - 2:14 pm | #
I called my senators this morning but have been off-line since then, until now.
How many senators have pledged sipport for the censure proposal? This morning, a few people said Kerry's pffice pledged support (though they didn't commit when I called). Anyone else sign on throughout the day?
sonofslothrop |
03.13.06 - 2:14 pm | #
Spector is right, that the Constitution trumps a statute.
However -- Article II does not authorize a President to ignore the law and constitution within the United States, no matter what Abu Gonzales says.
Furthermore -- the 4th Amendment trumps any claim by any President to spy on Americans without a warrant, even if such power is granted by Article II.
The 4th Amendment trumps Article II, Arlen -- not to mention, under the 4th Amendment, any GOP law that would legalize warrantless domestic spying would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
But neither the law nor the constitution will stand in the way of the GOP power grab, will they -- Senator Spector?
ck |
03.13.06 - 2:15 pm | #
Specter:
Some staffer handed him the wrong speaking notes. he is quoting things saying that the President does not have unlimited power.
Now he's back on his own, saying "we have a way through this maze, for congress to give jurisdiction to the FISA Court." (But how, if the Pres. has unlimited Article II power.)
Prof |
03.13.06 - 2:15 pm | #
I just called both my own DINO senator (Bill Nelson) and Harry Reid, and staffers in both of their offices said they were waiting for the Senate Intelligence Committee to finish their investigation before deciding whether to vote for censure.
Sonda |
03.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #
Egregious - I say instead of a fund raising item - we get 100 of the fourth amendment t-shirts printed up for Senators and get them delivered with the warrant clause in caps and underlined.
Mary |
03.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #
Bush violated our rights and lied to us... IN GOOD FAITH! Hey!
Dover Bitch |
03.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #
Mary | 03.13.06 - 2:12 pm |
Thanks Mary, God bless you and your Mom.
John Casper |
03.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #
Feingold out of line, out of bounds, with his condemnation of the Preznit. Feingolld never said he acted in bad faith-- (no asshat, he just said he lied and committed crimes.)
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #
Kevin Mark Smith,
Please tell me why they can't do the exact same wiretapping with the oversight of the FISA court.
No one is against wiretapping suspected terrorists. No one.
We are only asking that it is done legally.
jharp |
03.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #
Specter: Pres. may be wrong, but he hasn't acted in bad faith.
(So what?)
In the absence of a claim of bad faith, who has standing to condemn the President and then not stay and debate.
I want to see this resolution referred to the Judiciary Committee, not the Rules Committee.
Isn't that a powerful jurisdictional argument.
Prof |
03.13.06 - 2:17 pm | #
"The president has acted wrong, but he hasn't acted in bad faith"
WHAT IS THAT????????????
Todd Merrell |
03.13.06 - 2:17 pm | #
god specter is such a whiney baby, it is embarassing
Amanda |
03.13.06 - 2:17 pm | #
So does Rove have control over Specter's oncologist, or what?
Mrs. K8 |
03.13.06 - 2:17 pm | #
LOL I LOVE that idea of sending the senators t-shirts with the 4th! You betcha.
Shez |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:18 pm | #
Dick Durbin (D) praising Specter. just politeness. Now here comes the dig:
I would like to ask him a question. After listening to Abu G testimony, it appears that the Const. argument goes back to the AUMF argument.
Does the sen. from Penn. believe that in casting that vote he was giving the Pres. authority to wiretap american citizens without court order.
Specter: No.
durbin: Frist said he believed the wiretap program was both constitutional and legal. Does Specter agree?
Specter: I don't know, because I don't know what the program does.
Prof |
03.13.06 - 2:19 pm | #
A vote against the censure resolution is a vote for dictatorship. Period.
TheOtherWA |
03.13.06 - 2:19 pm | #
So does this make Specter a Whiny Ass Titty Senator. I vote yea.
Evil Parallel Universe |
03.13.06 - 2:19 pm | #
Todd Merrell - Means he is an incompetent ignorant thug. BUT he means well. Sure.
california_reality_check |
03.13.06 - 2:20 pm | #
Where is the media coverage? Cafferty's polling about powdered milk and tuna fergoshsakes.
Have they no shame?
Prairie Sunshine |
03.13.06 - 2:20 pm | #
it's hard work presidentin' and dubya broke the law in good faith, so why don't you have a heart and let him off without a warning.
rustbelt girl |
03.13.06 - 2:21 pm | #
Durbin: One last question. When you referred to suggestions from Dewine and other proposals to change the law to accommodate, is that not an admission that what is going on is violative of the law?
Specter: No. Sen. Dewine is in good faith searching for a way out.
I called but ....well ya know
lib4 |
03.13.06 - 2:21 pm | #
Edit me, thanks for the heads-up. Since the site is interlinked with the gov site, I was inclined to think it was legit. That alone shoulda tipped me off.
Apologies for the histrionics.
KM |
03.13.06 - 2:21 pm | #
Yeah, we're all searching for a way out, you doob.
meta |
03.13.06 - 2:21 pm | #
Specter: I think DeWine is doing the best he can.
Prof |
03.13.06 - 2:22 pm | #
I'll have to thank Sen. Specter for explaining that if I get arrested, all I have to do is tell the cops I was acting in good faith, and that I sincerely believed what I was doing was legal. I guess all those laws and courts are for people are just for bad-faith lawbreakers!
Redshift |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:22 pm | #
OT - another prosecutor promoted out of his job. link
(KM, was this your scoop over at TPMmuckraker?)
JWR |
03.13.06 - 2:23 pm | #
How's that fastball holding up?
Pachacutec
it's all in the mind, my friend.
Sidd Finch |
03.13.06 - 2:23 pm | #
Here comes Harry Reid, the Buzz Killer! Just kill the whole debate, Harry, wonderful Minority Leader...
The Captain |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:24 pm | #
Called Reid. A staffer he said they were overwhelmed with calls "hundreds to one" for censure."
He asked where 708 was. I said Illinois, I heard they were taking a national poll, he asked if I'd read it on a blog, I said yes, he asked which, I said, firedoglake, he said fabulous!
Mart |
03.13.06 - 2:24 pm | #
I swear i wasn't copying you, madam deb :) - rustbelt girl
I'm sure you weren't. Great minds think alike, as they say. :-)
Madam_Deb |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:24 pm | #
Specter: "I haven't heard the Senator from Wisconsin suggest that what the President was doing is acting in bad faith."
I'm so happy to hear that the criminality of an action is completely dependent upon moral intent.
The company I work for will just have to suck it up while I embezzle cash to donate to my favorite charity.
I just have to make sure I don't take the money in bad faith.
Dean Wormer |
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03.13.06 - 2:24 pm | #
I called quite a few senators offices but the most disheartening responses I got were from Levin and Lieberman's office (among others) both of which more or less had the balls to tell me they hadn't read the censure proposal and were waiting to see the result of "the investigation" before proceeding on censure.
It took every ounce of restraint I had to not scream at the top of my lungs into the phone "WHAT FUCKING INVESTIGATION YOU MORONS?" But I didn't. I did calmly remind the various staffers who proffered this lie that I was quite up on this issue and I was aware that the Democrats colleagues on the other side of the aisle had sabotaged any further real investigation into the NSA wiretapping and thus when more of us called urging them to support censure, they may want to come up with a new talking point in response.
The tone was much better from Reid, Kennedy and Kerry's staffers. Naturally.
I actually had a hard time getting through to a lot of offices today- not sure what the deal was. I am still trying to get through to Specter.
Stacyb |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:26 pm | #
new thread - old senator
Wilson46201 |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:26 pm | #
Reid speaking about Senator Inouye's wife that just passed away.
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:26 pm | #
This is just like right before the Supreme Court vote, where Reid changes the subject to tragedy instead of what the topic was. There was no reason for him to do this right now. This is Bullshit.
The Captain |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:26 pm | #
good faith/bad faith. Silly me. I thought it was all about the rule of law.
shoephone |
03.13.06 - 2:27 pm | #
"The outrageous proposition that we ought to protect our enemies' ability to communicate as it plots against America poses a key test of our Democratic leaders," he said. "Do they support the extreme and counterproductive antics of a few or do they support a lawful program vital to the security of this nation?
"The American people already made their decision," Cheney added. "They agree with the president."
**
Classic administration spin that doesn't address the real issue at all and misrepresents the views of those who are criticizing the Presidents illegal actions.
And of course, the elite, corporate media just lets the spin go unrebutted.
Stacyb |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:28 pm | #
Actually - Specter bringing up Chimpy acting in good or bad faith is not necessarily a bad thing, since even if he acted in good faith he could still be violating the constitution.
Of course Chimpy is not acting in good faith, but in trying to parse/deconstruct his way out of problem that Feingold's truths created, Specter might very well be painting himself into a corner (brilliant man that he is).
If the debate is whether Chimpy acted in good or bad faith, then the starting point is not whether Chimpy acted legally or not; That has been answered - Chimpy acted illegally.
I'll take that as a starting point - We will get to the bad faith part.
Evil Parallel Universe |
03.13.06 - 2:28 pm | #
Called both of My Dem Senators and neither one would tell Me if they were in support of Feingolds resolution. I told them both that it would be in there best interest and the countries best interest to stand in support of Sen. Feingold. If they cower on this I will do everything in My power to unseat them during the next Dem primary.I really believe that they need to stick together on this issue
GPH |
03.13.06 - 2:29 pm | #
OT -- A question for any bright computer techie types, with a summary of the problem:
I was unable to access both this website and AmericaBlog, and also unable to connect to blogger.com -- from late yesterday afternoon until just now.
Because all three sites were blogspot-related, I assumed it was just blogger being all blogged up, as it so often is!
It took me spotting references at dKos to new material being posted on the front page here at FDL for me to realize the problem was on MY end.
So I pulled the plug, so to speak, gave the computer a smack upside the head, metaphorically speaking, and after the clearing out and rebooting of the whole kit and kaboodle, suddenly everything was back nice and fine.
I was disgusted to see that I had missed all these wonderful threads in the interim.
Can somebody tell me what would make just blogger-based websites unavailable to me -- on MY end, not a blogger problem -- while all sorts of other websites, like dKos and Huffington and numerous other non-blogger-based blogs were coming up fine and dandy?
I mean, it's clear the problem was with my system -- all these lovely threads have been chugging along just fine the whole time, so it has to be MY computer with the problem -- but why would just FDL and AmericaBlog (blogger based) give me a blank page every single time (dozens and dozens of attempts)?!?
Computers would be much more satisfying to me if they weren't so frickin' mysterious! LOGIC is something I enjoy, but random, inexplicable behavior makes me want to bang my head on the keyboard.
If anyone has insight, my hearty thanks in advance.
Mrs. K8 |
03.13.06 - 2:29 pm | #
Cheney does have the support of 19% or so of the Republic, which in Repug metric math is a majority.
Evil Parallel Universe |
03.13.06 - 2:30 pm | #
toldja-- here comes Sessions.
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:31 pm | #
Mrs. K8 | 03.13.06 - 2:29 pm
You might try a different browser.
Sometimes when IE won't load, FireFox will -- and vice versa.
ck |
03.13.06 - 2:32 pm | #
I get perpetual busy signals for Boxer, Feinstein and Feingold. Apparently the phone lines are all tied up - go figure.
I suggest email if you can't get through on the phones - then at least the numbers will be documented.
gaby |
03.13.06 - 2:33 pm | #
JWB -- no, not me. Scoops apparently aren't my thing. Sigh.
KM |
03.13.06 - 2:34 pm | #
Wow, Jeff Sessions is quite a nerf eater, huh?
The Captain |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:34 pm | #
New CNN Poll - Bush JAR - 36%
Cozumel |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:34 pm | #
The Captain | Homepage | 03.13.06 - 2:34 pm | #
acts all pious re Inouye's wife and links to this vomit. pos.
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:35 pm | #
ck --
I use the latest version of Firefox. Love it, works beautifully for me, and the tabbed browsing means I'll never look back. Especially not to that security nightmare known as IE.
But here's the question: WHY would one browser "work" and not another? What are the mechanics of this? I really want to understand.
It just seems like random voodoo to me.
Mrs. K8 |
03.13.06 - 2:35 pm | #
Wow, we have sleeper cells here and will be activated by foreign communication.
The Captain |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 2:36 pm | #
earlier in this comment thread......
Kevin Mark Smith says "Bush tapped the phones of terrorist sympathizers. Stop being a knee-jerk liberal and think about America's security."
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. Silly little boy.
Pay attention now. Repeat after me.
The president has broken the law.
He has done so repeatedly and intentionally. He has even admitted to it. Now what part of this don't you understand?
Come on Kevin, this is so much more than a blue dress and blow job between consenting adults.
Larry |
03.13.06 - 2:36 pm | #
Sessions, losing his marbles on C-span, throwing wacko tantrum - unless we give the prez the right to break the law and spy on American citizens, our soldiers in the field will be in danger, won't be able to kill and maim like we want them to.
shoephone |
03.13.06 - 2:36 pm | #
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released on Monday put President George W. Bush's approval rating at 36 percent, a new low for that poll but similar to his rating in other recent surveys.
I was watching until Sessions came up. Then the mute button was pushed, vehemently, and I looked away. Just the sight of that whiny suck-up to fascism makes me physically ill.
There are a couple who have that effect on me. Cornyn is another who comes to mind.
Mrs. K8 |
03.13.06 - 2:39 pm | #
senator boxer's office ssays she supports the censure resolution; senator Harkin's staff said still no decision; unable yet to get through to Feinstein, but will switch over to calling Specter.
yogalinda |
03.13.06 - 2:39 pm | #
not to be too depressing about how this vote is gonna go, but I just called Schumer's office. Maybe the staffer was just tired after a long hard day of these calls, but aside from saying that the Senator did not yet have a position, she was downright hostile when I told her that I hope he would not only support the measure, but take a leadership role in trying to pass it.
The ice in her voice gave my ear frostbite.
looseheadprop |
03.13.06 - 2:39 pm | #
Mrs K8- don't forget Mitch McConnell. There aren't many more disgusting than him.
shoephone |
03.13.06 - 2:42 pm | #
Better poll link...
Democrats enjoy lead
Those figures, along with weakened support for GOP handling of the battle against terrorism, have given Democrats an 18 percentage point lead over Republicans when registered voters are asked which party they will support in November.
Democrats drew the support of 55 percent of the registered voters questioned, while 39 percent said they would be voting Republican in the fall. That question had a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.
Is Reid's office doing open callins on the censure motion?
This Sen. Reid?
Senator Harry Reid [NV - D]
Washington, 202-224-3542 (phone), 202-224-7327 (fax)
Reno, 775-686-5750 (phone), 775-686-5757 (fax)
Carson City, 775-882-7343 (phone), 775-883-1980 (fax)
Las Vegas, 702-388-5020 (phone), 702-388-5030 (fax)
i>Called Reid.
..., I heard they were taking a national poll, he asked if I'd read it on a blog, I said yes, he asked which, I said, firedoglake, he said fabulous!
Mart | 03.13.06 - 2:24 pm | #
Mary |
03.13.06 - 2:42 pm | #
I know I'm being a wet blanket on a cold body, but does anyone think this vote will be any different that the vote for cloture on Alito?
cathy |
03.13.06 - 2:43 pm | #
Am just an old-guy lurker, former New Hampshire-ite, (big hello to GSD, you rock..) and a 'fairly' new member of the EU.
I just want to say that what all of you are doing is so wonderful, that it makes me feel good inside. Because I remember the good stuff.
When you emigrate, you shuck off the useless stuff. and what remains are the values, ideals, and the idea of what you were nationally. I don't know if that makes sense, but it is true.
And in the past twenty years, the good stuff I retained got trampled on with steel-toed boots.
Every time I read this blog, I get frustrated, because I can't call a senator or congress-person. It wouldn't be right, it wouldn't be legal. But if I can feel that motivated, Jane and Redhedd are doing good stuff.
So thanks to everyone who could and did. You give me some hope, because I think you all forget that what goes on over there has an increasingly immediate effect on what goes on outside your parameters, you know?
And most of it isn't very nice at all.
Am sure there are others 'out here' watching and hoping too.
I am currently watching Sessions of Alabama on C-Span. He is a feisty little liar and I think the most obedient of the administrations lap dogs. The outrage and indignation exhibited following Feingold's (most) refreshing airing of dissent and truth is almost laughable. I think Feingold's "smoke them out" strategy will actually work. It will force the liars to lie more and that can only help in this election year. We need more of this.
patrick |
03.13.06 - 2:43 pm | #
So did I see Frist try to overrun Harry Reid? Wasnt Harry out tending to the death of Sen Inouyes wife?
Disgusting is just about it-- snowbird42.
angie |
03.13.06 - 2:46 pm | #
I got through to Boxer (on the Los Angeles line), she has "not yet issued a statement".
gaby |
03.13.06 - 2:47 pm | #
Cheney: "The outrageous proposition that we ought to protect our enemies' ability to communicate as it plots against America ..."
What about the outrageous proposition that we ought to protect your apparent ability to spy on your rivals in the White House and State Department?
KM |
03.13.06 - 2:48 pm | #
Reid, Liebersmurf, and Pelosi have made statements and they are no shows on this. Screw them. They really are asking for removal.
meta |
03.13.06 - 2:48 pm | #
I know I'm being a wet blanket on a cold body, but does anyone think this vote will be any different that the vote for cloture on Alito?
cathy | 03.13.06 - 2:43 pm | #
Maybe so, Cathy. But I suspect this is their last chance. This one's our line in the sand.
shoephone |
03.13.06 - 2:49 pm | #
If Art II is the argument, then it boils down to FISA being per se unconstitutional. Am I misremembering,or hallucinating, that Gonzalez specifically said at hearing that FISA *was* constitutional?
Don't forget to write letters to the editor of your local papers. It's not enough to let the Senators know there's this much support out here for the resolution. We also need the media to know this too, so they can start putting the pressure on and keep the story going. So far it's a two day story. If we write enough letters, it'll be in the paper tomorrow and Wednesday too. If enough people write into the paper the editorial board might feel they need to weigh in with their own editorial.
Remember, just getting the media, especially the local media talking about whether Bush broke the law and what the penalty should be reframes the NSA story from national security to corruption/crime. Even if we lose the resolution vote, if we make enough noise we'll have pushed the issue onto more favorable terrain for us.
Greg |
03.13.06 - 3:04 pm | #
Renb--
if you are still an american citizen it is perfectly legal for you to call and write senators and representatives in the state/city of your last residence or district you voted in.
i'd suggest checking out democrats abroad to figure out what you can do legally and what you feel comfortable doing morally: http://www.democratsabroad.org/
rustbelt girl |
03.13.06 - 3:06 pm | #
Called Bingaman and Domenici again. Domenici's people said they'd pass my thoughts on to the senator (and he'll likely ignore them). Bingaman, not surprisingly, can't find it in himself to support Feingold's motion and, in what seems like a shallow CYA move, is sponsoring some amendment for an independent investigation.
rustyst |
03.13.06 - 3:08 pm | #
Why the fuck should I - or anyone else - have to call any Democratic Senator to vote for this Censure???????
Goddammit - if any Democratic Senator needs to be prodded into voting for this.....he needs to get his ass out of Congress and out of politics. For that matter, so should Republicans - but that's their septic tank to deal with.
It just burns the shit out of me that we should have to lift one damm finger to get these assholes to vote. If they can't figure out what a fucking crook Bush is.......they need to be removed from Congress.
As that old stupid-ass saying goes: "You are either part of the solution.....or part of the problem." So true.
clueless |
03.13.06 - 3:10 pm | #
I've called Mikulski(my Senator) and Reid and asked for them to support Feingold.I called Feingold to thank him.For years now I've been afraid,not of terrorism,but of my own government and its overreaction to terror.I've also been afraid to speak out,but no longer.I will speak,I do vote,and I will no longer walk in fear.
DMM |
03.13.06 - 3:18 pm | #
Frist's claim about 85 votes must have been a bluff. It's not like he can just snap his fingers and get a Democratic whip count.
The real goal of the GOP is to project strength and confidence, to counsel the Democrats that they better not take a stand on this one cause it will hurt them politically. Don't ask me why the Dems always take advice from Karl Rove on such things, but they do, so you can't blame them for trying.
This vote should be a no-brainer for the Dems, both on principle and on politics. If they can't see that then I don't think there's much hope for them. I already called Sen. Clinton's office and told them this vote was a dealbreaker for me.
Steve |
03.13.06 - 3:20 pm | #
" If it's true this is absurd, there is a President with a 36% approval rating and it hurts none of them one bit to support Feingold."
i said earlier today this was bad politics, and after feingold's speech stand by it. First may not get 85 votes, but he's gonna get a lot of Dem votes, and it'll be framed as chimp's lawbreaking is ok on a 'bipartisan' basis.
in effect, feingold blindsided his own collegues and party, got caught with his pants down on a quick vote, then after his statement ran out to mug for teevee cameras instead of engaging specter in debate, thereby allowing him to spew total bullshit unrebutted.
rove couldn't have done a better job...
jdw |
03.13.06 - 3:22 pm | #
Reid, Pelosi, and others are already running away, according to the AP (though a Reid staffer seemed astounded when I called him about it).
Thersites |
Homepage |
03.13.06 - 3:24 pm | #
jdw - I disagree.
Roberts actions BURIED even conversation of the surveillance program. Feingold has popped it back up. Seriously - even some pretty conservative folks perked their ears on this one.
Anything that keeps the debate rolling and rolling and rolling and the words Illegal and Incompetent and Impeachment on people's tongues is a good thing IMO.
So he loses this one. Censure motions can be re-introduced later - and later - and later.
MAKING some of these weaselmouthed politicians start to have to fish or cut bait on positions going into the election year is not a bad thing.
No democrat other than Feingold has been able to get the MSM anchors to so repeatedly have to say the words "President" and "illegal" back to back and to even raise the word "impeachment" on their own.
IMO - Feingold was brilliant. Of course the censure will likely get knocked down - sometimes you bunt to advance a man on base.
Believe me - that's happening. Again - when the Warner comment was played, someone pretty center of the aisle who had been asking me WTF was going on with a censure motion - snorted and said, "oh yeah, like he's not grandstanding a little himself - hell, they all grandstand"
This guy has a whole row of yellow ribbon magnets, but he wasn't bumping Warner to the head of the aisle over Feingold. He did ask me why "the lawyers can't agree" on whether it was legal or not.
I told him ABA had taken a stand --- was that good enough for him? It did make a difference - IMO that is being an underplayed card.
Mary |
03.13.06 - 3:38 pm | #
Re: Bingaman
What a piece of used TP. What am I going to do in the GE this November? I'll vote against Jeff in the primary, on the general principle that neuters ought not be allowed to be Senators.
But I know I can't bring myself to vote for whatever sacrificial lamb the Repugnicans are going to put up against Jeff. And if enough of us are disgusted enough about Bingaman to vote for the Green ... well, isn't that Johnson v. King v. Mondragon all over?
To Senator Bingaman's aides, if you're reading this: Please hop across the border and buy the Senator a couple of goat testicles to use temporarily.
I think Feingold was too angry to stay on the Senate floor and I don't blame him. Having to fight for his 25 minutes and Specter knew the speech was on line - it was like trolling, any excuse to limit Feingold's time to speak on the spying against US citizens.
Also like the fabulous "Shame, Shame, Shame" of the Democrats against one of the Repukes dirty tricks, the anger in the Dems from the outrageous law breaking, intimidation and bribes of the bush crime family, the anger must be building.
What was the name of the Japanese-American Democrat House Representative who died suddenly supposedly of a rare blood disease that he had for years -- he was the Democrats expert on Social Security and everyone knew that Bush was going to attack Social Security but this Congressman suspiciously died suddenly just before Bush's first campaign. Why wouldn't this Congressman knowing Bush was trying to justify stealing Social Security start training another Congressperson as Social Security expert if he knew about his disease.
I wish I could remember his name. No one ever mentions him like they do Ray Lemme, James Hatfield, Danny Casolaro, and Gary Webb.
Rose Elvern |
03.13.06 - 3:43 pm | #
The longer it goes before the vote, the fewer votes for the motion.
Democrats will realize that voting for this, will be seen as a vote for terrorism.
This move by Feingold will rally Republican voters, this will not help Democrats.
Marvin |
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03.13.06 - 3:43 pm | #
WHAT SUCKS IS I LIVE IN PENNSYLVANIA!!!!!
Home of
"Man on Dog" Santorum &
"Single - Bullet/Rubberstamp" Specter
I called but ....well ya know
lib4 | 03.13.06 - 2:21 pm | #
Yeah, well.....I live in Arizona - where John McCain is our LIBERAL Senator! Asshat Kyl is our moron Senator.
clueless |
03.13.06 - 3:43 pm | #
GOOD NEWS.
SENATORS PHONE LINES ARE BUSY
PLEASE
EMAIL THEM
SUPPORT FINEGOLD'S CENSURE RESOLUTION TELL THEM THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO GAIN BY UNITING.
THANKS.
WE DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN WE TELL OUR REPS WHAT WE WANT.
Miss Manners |
03.13.06 - 3:44 pm | #
"Roberts actions BURIED even conversation of the surveillance program. Feingold has popped it back up. Seriously - even some pretty conservative folks perked their ears on this one."
any debate or interest in this will be dead when frist gets 85 votes...
"Anything that keeps the debate rolling and rolling and rolling and the words Illegal and Incompetent and Impeachment on people's tongues is a good thing IMO."
impeachment will only hurt dems, not help them.
roberts did kill anything good happening. the best thing that feingold could have done is: be part of the gang of 7 that is doing the review. if he is briefed on anything, anything that can be remotely considered illegal, he should publically step down from that position/role and say the oversight is a sham.
what feingold did was make himself look stupid and divide the party and kill any chance of revisiting this. it might be good for his fundraising, but outside of his interests it was horribly thought out and executed.
jdw |
03.13.06 - 3:50 pm | #
jdw: Remind me again which side you're on, because it looks to me like you're trying to surrender to the GOP.
P J Evans |
03.13.06 - 3:54 pm | #
I agree it could have been executed better. He should have told the rest of the Senate Democrats what he was planning, so they could at least get organized. Of course, Harry Reid should have done something like this a long time ago.
Greg |
03.13.06 - 3:58 pm | #
"jdw: Remind me again which side you're on, because it looks to me like you're trying to surrender to the GOP.
P J Evans"
uh, i'm left or left. i'm just not for dems doing stupid things in a stupid fashion, that kills their own chances of what they say they want.
sorry if you don't like hearing that.
feingold was my front runner for support in the 2008 primary. he lost that today, because he got outplayed badly and made himself and the party look stupid in the process.
jdw |
03.13.06 - 3:59 pm | #
I think you are very wrong jdw.
There are a lot of people who have been just waiting to have someone stand up and be uncategorical about this - it is breaking the law.
HOW does it hurt anything at all, even if it does not carry?
I just don't see that at all. They are ALREADY saying the President's lawbreaking has "bipartisan support" That's what they trot Lieberman out for.
So if they already have been touting "bipartisan support" and you now have someone who will not just "not support" but actually stand up and call it wrong --- that is a winner in my book every time.
First to second. Second to third. No advanes, but bases now loaded.
Then.
If the inning ends with men on base, you just load them back next inning.
Again.
What you don't do is hang out in the dugout, doing nothing and forfeiting each inning.
No at bats - no way to win.
Mary |
03.13.06 - 3:59 pm | #
If Feingold's attempt at censure does nothing else, it serves to notify the citizens of this country that not every member of the minority party stood idly by and continued to get kicked by the fascists in the majority. Like Conyers and his calls for impeachment, it can never be said that Russ Feingold didn't try to do everything in his power to call attention to the rampant abuse the GOP has imparted on the Constitution and the co-equal branches of government. When the remaining 30% of the country wakes the fuck up from this fear-induced stupor to ask incredulously "where was the opposition?" or "how could this happen here?"....Russ Feingold will stand tall. The Democrats that cower on this, as was the case with Alito and a filibuster, are indeed a part of the problem.
I weep again over the death of our democracy.
Jay |
03.13.06 - 4:00 pm | #
What a disappointment about John Howard. Who would do a hoax like that?? Cointelpro, that's who.
Operation CHAOS Here's talking about:
G. Collection, Indexing, and Filing of Information by Operation CHAOS
BTW: Something for the "Small World" file -- Lyman "Operation NORTHWOODS" Lemnitzer was on the Rockefeller Commission.
Rose Elvern |
03.13.06 - 4:01 pm | #
WHAT SUCKS IS I LIVE IN PENNSYLVANIA!!!!!
Home of
"Man on Dog" Santorum &
"Single - Bullet/Rubberstamp" Specter
I called but ....well ya know
lib4 | 03.13.06 - 2:21 pm | #
Yeah, well.....I live in Arizona - where John McCain is our LIBERAL Senator! Asshat Kyl is our moron Senator.
clueless |
03.13.06 - 4:02 pm | #
GPH, Senator Sarbanes is retiring next term -- but he was fighting for Feingold in the Senate according to the blow-by-blow description on the Four Democratic Underground threads. I hope he will also vote for Censure.
Rose Elvern |
03.13.06 - 4:07 pm | #
I agree Jay.
Feingold's stand at least gives people something they CAN call their Congresscritters about.
So far - no one has been taking a stand that people can get behind to support or to rise up against.
People in the beltway are just way out of touch. This is supposed to be a "liberal" blog. Go back and look through the posts at how many people who post here (much less lurk) have been or had pretty pro-McCain episodes. Bc I have myself - I notice when those posts come up. Listen to the C-Span calls that Molly Ivins gets and count how many of her fans also call themselves "old line" Republicans or libertarians or Goldwater REpublicans etc.
READ some of Molly's columns where she lays out point after point after point where majorities to LARGE majorities of Americans support the same things that ---- "liberal" blogs support.
Hmmmm.
Look at people like Webb in VA, like the 60 or so Iraq vets who are running as ---- DEMS.
Ex FBI agents and lifelong REpublicans like Rowley runnings as --- Dems.
We really are due for a 3rd party. But for now - Dems can either reap the bennies of being the only alternative or lose their status as an actual ALTERNATIVE and speed the formation of a viable 3rd party.
Sometimes you just have to take some action. There would never be a perfect moment, and I commend Feingold for doing this.
How about working to turn the spin back at them instead of playing into it.
NJ Flamingo |
03.13.06 - 4:28 pm | #
Feingold made me proud today and with his attempt to filibuster the "Patriot" (Enabling) Act. They are murdering our soldiers as well as Iraqis, they are spying on US including the Quakers and the peace movement, Bushco has started building Concentration Camps on the mainland USA after Gitmo Gestapo training camp sprung up suddenly.
FISA has a memo about "Civilian prison labor", Prescott Bush made a fortune on Auschwitz slave labor and the survivors or their families tried to sue the Bush crime family when the documents were release about a decade ago but the bush crime family could afford the best attorneys using our money and the media even 10 years ago did not let us know about this Nazi, pedophile, major drug running, murdering bush crime family.
And you say Feingold embarressed the Dems... they should be embarressed for selling us all down the river including the Katrina victims of the bush crime family.
Rose Elvern |
03.13.06 - 4:29 pm | #
"How about working to turn the spin back at them instead of playing into it.
NJ Flamingo"
how am i playing into spin? i heard feingold live on cspan...he makes his case, then...leaves!
i couldn't freaking believe it. wtf is that? so, specter made point after bullshit point, begging to be rebutted, and where the hell was feingold? mugging for the teevee cameras ouside the senate doors, no doubt, but i've yet to see that on cnn....so he didn't even get that.
he left one of his own collegues to debate specter.
an appalling debacle, imo, and i'll happily eat crow if anything good comes of it.
jdw |
03.13.06 - 4:41 pm | #
Mary | 03.13.06 - 4:15 pm |
What's your take on what comes after Frist crushing Feingold tonite.
What will be the next way to keep this issue of illegal wiretapping in the news?
A huge defeat of censure tonite will make framing the issue as a public concern very difficult.
The public has the attention span of an over caffinated gerbil.
I'm scanning my meager imagination, I got nothing.
Maybe if the WH was video taping in people's bedrooms without a warrant it would stir the populus. No, wait, that's already been done as a pilot for a new 'reality' tv show.
Gentleman Jim |
03.13.06 - 4:54 pm | #
jdw
Maybe spin was the wrong word to use, however your comment about this being good for his fundraising raised a flag to me. It hints at this being a poltical manuever to serve his best interest, and the Repubs are going to spin this as a stunt, like they usually do.
The man acted out of conviction, he showed courage and if it was sloppy so be it. Acts of true courage are seldom pretty.
NJ Flamingo |
03.13.06 - 5:07 pm | #
"Maybe spin was the wrong word to use, however your comment about this being good for his fundraising raised a flag to me. It hints at this being a poltical manuever to serve his best interest, and the Repubs are going to spin this as a stunt, like they usually do."
of course they were gonna spin it as a stunt, which is why he needed to treat it as serious debate, and not run away to the teevee cameras.
jdw |
03.13.06 - 5:37 pm | #
GJ - to start with, there won't be any crushing tonight I believe. ;) Not for two more days I think.
Two more day that it keeps being brought up.
I've sent links to people who aren't very political (horsey) and now that they have something to do - some of them (who don't contact Senators much) are actually contacting their Senators.
Paying attention.
And censure voted down once can come up again.
And again.
And again.
While the next thing and the next thing and the next thing keep happening.
Seriously - every time a Sen like Warner and Frist splutter out "grandstanding" they chalk up a few more of what I saw today - people who said, "uh, like YOU aren't grandstanding now?"
As bad as the MSNBC polls are - it will get reported and the numbers are not good for the President and members of Congress who are just sitting back.
I see every single time anyone stands up as a chip on the block.
And I see this as a BIG chip coming off. WIth more chips tomorrow. And the next day.
This is not like Alito at all in my book. Alito was a lifetime appointment - one shot deal.
This keeps the chip chip chip going. And makes people who were willing to be complacent and say, "well, apparently its not a big deal bc the Intel Committee isn't doing anything" look a second time and say, "did someone just call the PResident a lawbreaker on the floor of the Senate? Whoa."
I'm happy with it - very happy.
Mary |
03.13.06 - 5:42 pm | #
Can't get to the new thread way up top, if anyone can leave me a breadcrumb link I'd appreciate it.
Margot |
03.13.06 - 5:57 pm | #
Sad to see the censure resolution fall through. I think a direct confrontation would've helped Bush at a time when he could surely use a boost. The leadership in your party has wisened up some--pity, that--but thank God we still have you. Congratulations, Mr. Rove, on creating an opposition so farcical that it could ensure the reelection of an altogether mediocre President.
Chairman eDog of The RCP USA |
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03.13.06 - 6:15 pm | #
Expalin the politics. I got in late on this thing. Why are all the Dems running from Feingold censure resolution?
the auditor |
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03.13.06 - 6:42 pm | #
Arlen Specter; diverting justice for 40 years.
The chief architect of the "single bullet theory" was the Warren Commission's ambitious junior counsel, Arlen Specter
Certainly Lincoln gathered intelligence in the US from tapping telegraph wires, and intercepting letters. That was done without a warrant.
Certainly FDR gathered intelligence information by intercepting Japanese communications. He didn't have a warrant, and none was needed.
Certainly when I was in the Army, we had Communications, Electronic Warfare and Intelligence battalions to intercept enemy communications. We didn't have a warrant, and none was needed.
These people, the terrorists, don't fight by the rules. Congress can't pass a law that changes the constituion, or limits the President's war powers. So long at the interception has one end of the communication outside of the US (like not domestic rates, so not a domestic call) then it is not covered under FISA.
The applicable court cases specifically stated that the FISA law could not change the presidential powers.
And: hint hint: The US people don't want terrorists, or wannabe terrorists to use the Constitutional provisions to kill us. The issue is a loser. We need to find a winner. Any suggestions?
Don Meaker |
03.13.06 - 7:14 pm | #
CENSURE THE MEDIA!
The other day I read on Huffington Post, that Dan Rather called for more spine from the news. I think he was referring to Bob Scheiffer. I think they should transfer him to a Mr Rogers show.
He worries more about ratings than mentioning that Feingold offered to censure Bush. Not since Andrew Jackson. Isn't that newsworthy?
I do enjoy this site, very thorough and informative. And it certainly takes names.
I am so tired of not seeing what is important on the news. Brian Williams mentioned how there was no coverage of Dafur. There are no wall marts in Dafur, and there is no oil to pay for advertisors to pay for the anchors checks. No fany republican parties to attend, and rings to kiss. Hell this is only Africa right?
Guilt by association for the monstrous mess this country is in .
CENSURE THE MEDIA.
blue generalist |
03.13.06 - 7:36 pm | #
Any suggestions?
Don Meaker | 03.13.06 - 7:14 pm | #
Yeah, Don -- go fuck yourself.
Not a single American says we should not wiretap terrorists. Most Americans say we should not wiretap innocent American citizens. And, I dare say, a vast majority of Americans say their government should follow the laws....such as getting a FISA warrant 2 days AFTER they start wiretapping terrorists.
clueless |
03.13.06 - 9:18 pm | #
They are the actions of Chavez and Castro. They are Unamerican.
Prairie Sunshine | 03.13.06 - 1:49 pm | #
um, prairie, i'd thank you to not insult chavez, or castro for that matter.
craigp |
03.13.06 - 9:49 pm | #
"Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, an active participant and diehard Bush ally in the whole Iraq fraud, made a speech yesterday which is frankly quite stunning. It could only be more stunning if it were coming from the lips of Silvio Berlusconi or Tony Blair." Yeah, unfortunately Howard enjoys being Bush’s butt boy too much to dare say anythink like that.
Xeno |
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