I'm sure the conservative counterpoint will have met their match today.
Millineryman |
03.16.06 - 6:52 am | #
I read this morning a lengthy story about Walter Pincus in which he revealed he spoke to Fitzy after his source was cooperating with Fitz and released Pincus willingly. No other hint about who the source was except it was "cooperative". Pincus reiterated his denial of hearing from Woodward about Mrs.Wilson a month earlier...
Wilson46201 |
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03.16.06 - 7:02 am | #
Great post, as per usual, Haloscan misspelled "clearance" in the graph that begins "And while we're talking about it,..." Halo also missed in the graph beginning "By breaking the law..." "go int he." Thanks for the Fitz fix.
John Casper |
03.16.06 - 7:02 am | #
Wilson -- where did you see it? Do you have a link -- I'd like to take a peek as well.
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 7:03 am | #
Thanks, Wilson -- much appreciated!
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 7:07 am | #
Thanks, as usual, Redd. BTW, any hints about Rove? Still waiting for that shoe to fall.
GaDem |
03.16.06 - 7:16 am | #
Watch those call-ins! There are some real nuts out here.
Dot Connector |
03.16.06 - 7:16 am | #
I have a small nit.
"And in the case of Valerie Plame Wilson, who was a CIA NOC according to the CIA (who ought to know), even knowing her status within the CIA was a "need to know" bit of information. This has even higher levels of protection."
If in the course of conducting classified CIA business you met Plame - you'd either be cleared to know Plame was a NOC and ought to be informed about that, or you'd be introduced to her alter ego.
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 7:17 am | #
Billmon surfaced with a post that hits like a ton of bricks. We all need to cast Bush in a similar hard hitting yet economical way every chance we get.
neither cspan carried the presser-- cause the house and senate are in , will keep my eyes peeled.
angie |
03.16.06 - 7:24 am | #
OT - don't know what's going on with senatory kerry... but, as of this morning his DC office is saying that senator kerry is "keeping his options open" and "hasn't decided" if he will support the resolution to censure president bush. called the boston office to confirm and they're not talking - seriously, wouldn't even let me finish the question... told me i'd have to talk to the DC office and hung up on me.
earlier in the week it was all politeness and both offices had confirmed that senator kerry "strongly supported" the resolution.
does anyone know what's going on?
selise |
03.16.06 - 7:28 am | #
Reading the Pincus article. Thanks for the link. Anyone else envisioning Congressman scribbling on their bills with Crayons when they read this...
“A congressman would travel with his wife,” he says, “but the bill would have the wife’s name crossed off. Or there would be a bar bill and they’d cross ‘bar’ off and they’d put ‘food.’”
Good for a chuckle I guess.
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 7:29 am | #
Attaturk | Homepage | 03.16.06 - 6:51 am
somewhere, a history teacher is smiling her/his ass off
cbl |
03.16.06 - 7:29 am | #
Great post, Christy!
There's been so much terrible reporting on this topic, and thus your well-considerd exposition of the basic principles of classification is a breath of fresh air on a fundamentally important topic.
Two quick related facts:
(1) all classified discussions must be motivated by a specific "need to know", so that there's a lot more to it than simply "insuring the right clearance level for classified communications". Two people having the proper clearances is not sufficient legal basis for classified discussions -- there must first be a "need to know" to justify the communication, regardless of whether the clearances permit it. Proper need to know motivations are inherently technical (not political!), and specifically exclude non-technical motivations, e.g., mere curiosity.
(2) classification is a LOT more complicated topic than the corporate media leads us to believe. There's a lot more than "secret" and "top secret" involved here, including compartmentalization classifications (e.g., NNSA Sigmas) that may themselves be classified. Given this, the recent assertion by the WH that the prez can simply "choose to declassify" information by administrative fiat is not only ill-considered, but also hopelessly infeasible in the real world of interlocking and nested classifications.
Thanks for shedding some well-deserved light on an all-important but too-often-poorly-reported topic!
cieran |
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03.16.06 - 7:29 am | #
i just saw a clip of him and some other members of congress meeting with w in support of the line item veto. w said he especially appreciated his opponent, Sen Kerry, living up to his word. blech.
angie |
03.16.06 - 7:31 am | #
selise,
are you surpised? You are talking about kerry after all.
SOunds like he was for censure before he was against censure.
sonofslothrop |
03.16.06 - 7:33 am | #
Breaking.....
MSNBC - The U.S. has just launched the biggest air attack in Iraq since the invasion. No other details yet...
Cozumel |
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03.16.06 - 7:34 am | #
Uuuuuh. But Scooter was so busy that he couldn't keep track of CIA/Plame classified info and notes. But now his lawyers say he has always been diligent with classified info. Which one is it boys: diligent or forgetful? Can't be both........suckers.
Teejay |
03.16.06 - 7:38 am | #
Yeah, Teejay, it is a bit amusing to see the circular idiocy of the arguments, isn't it? *g*
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 7:43 am | #
this strike sounds ominous. the new Iraqi parliament meets today and then the bombs start falling.
angie |
03.16.06 - 7:43 am | #
OT
Called Sen. Wyden's office. He has not put out a position on the Feingold censure resolution yet. I asked the person who answered the phone when Wyden was going to announce a position. He told me it would be soon but wouldn't narrow it down any further.
Wyden must be getting a lot of calls because I was put on hold for awhile and when the person answered he sounded frazzled.
Alvord |
03.16.06 - 7:43 am | #
Redd: "Let alone all the other classified bits and pieces that were leaking out of the Vice President's office via Scooter as an ass-saving measure for the Administration once the fact that they had lied their way into the Iraq War started becoming public knowledge."
Actually, it wasn't just post-war CYA. According to Murray Waas's sources, Libby and Cheney were leaking classified information as part of their fraudulent campaign to sell the war in Iraq -- i.e. before the war. As emptywheel keeps pointing out, Judy Miller's aluminum tubes scoop was almost surely straight from the lover's lips.
KM |
03.16.06 - 7:46 am | #
What's that girl doing with an umbilical cord coming out of her chin?
Ginger Yellow |
03.16.06 - 7:46 am | #
OT - I have a question for Redd. I read what you wrote recently about the prosecutorial misconduct during the Moussaoui trial and I have a question. Doesn't it seem just a bit bloodthirsty to be spending what seems like a herculean amount of energy to get a death sentence for this guy? I know the rationale is that it would help 9/11 families get closure but is that in the interest of justice or just vengeance. Didn't the judge already express concern over pursuing the death penalty based on deaths caused by non-cooperation. Does anyone else find this to be bloodthirsty?
TritoneSub |
03.16.06 - 7:47 am | #
Reading the Pincus article. Thanks for the link. Anyone else envisioning Congressman scribbling on their bills with Crayons when they read this...
“A congressman would travel with his wife,” he says, “but the bill would have the wife’s name crossed off. Or there would be a bar bill and they’d cross ‘bar’ off and they’d put ‘food.’”
Good for a chuckle I guess.
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 7:48 am | #
Teejay -- yeah, I hope Fitz's team is all over that one.
KM |
03.16.06 - 7:48 am | #
Dammit, I cleared the comment box before refreshing. Stupid Haloscan.
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 7:49 am | #
TritoneSub - Ironically, some of the 9/11 families are opposed to the death penalty. They were looking to the trial for information / answers the government has been suppressing. There were articles recently about the families disappointment at the potential loss of the oppurtunity for information about how aviation security failed.
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 7:51 am | #
TritoneSub | 03.16.06 - 7:47 am | #
I do & I think ZM is has serious mental issues.
angie |
03.16.06 - 7:52 am | #
sonofslothrop,
yeah - i was surprised - especially at being hung up on. oh, well. at least kerry isn't against censure - yet... but sounds like major backtracking (or dare i say it?... flip-flopping) is in the works.
but that is nothing compared to the bombing of iraqis. 'scuz me... i have to go cry for the victims. damn.
selise |
03.16.06 - 7:52 am | #
Any word on the Feingold presser?
I can't find a thing @ reutersc-span, ap, cnn.....zilch
NeoJoe |
03.16.06 - 7:54 am | #
"Breaking.....
MSNBC - The U.S. has just launched the biggest air attack in Iraq since the invasion. No other details yet...
Cozumel"
Fine tuning the machine for next week..........?
If I were any of you, I'd stay away from large cities on the east coast until after the 28th.
Edward Teller |
03.16.06 - 7:54 am | #
edward teller,
why the 28th?
selise |
03.16.06 - 7:56 am | #
massive assaults on Iraq ... bombing Samarra - guess the special ops destruction of the temple was not enough for the Rummy beasts
siun |
03.16.06 - 7:56 am | #
Good Mornning Ms. Sunday Talking Hedd ! already set the TiVo - yay!
cbl |
03.16.06 - 7:57 am | #
I am still working my way through that Pincus article. It is one hell of a read. Thanks again for the link Wilson.
Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. 2003
2006-- U.S. military launches what it terms the largest air assault in Iraq since 2003 invasion, targeting insurgents north of Baghdad
Ahhhh, Don't ya just love the smell of BLOOD in the mornin?
california_reality_check |
03.16.06 - 8:01 am | #
Largest Iraq Air Assault Since '03 Begins
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The United States on Thursday launched what was termed the largest air assault since the U.S.-led invasion, targeting insurgent strongholds north of the capital, the military said.
The U.S. military said Iraqi troops also were involved in the operation aimed at clearing a "suspected insurgent operating area northeast of Samarra."
"More than 1,500 Iraqi and Coalition troops, over 200 tactical vehicles, and more than 50 aircraft participated in the operation," the military statement said.
My guess about the Moussaoui thing is that he's still in the employ of the CIA and thy're not ready to have him dead yet. ANd if so, then of course he has mental problems.
And EdwardTeller--why the 28th and where indeed? Hubby is returning from overseas on the 30/31 to NYC. You're scaring me.
Old Sow |
03.16.06 - 8:05 am | #
My God, Christy, how can I get up that early on a Sunday?
I grew up in an area where a lot of people had clearances of need-to-know-and-you-don't flavors. Kids didn't ask 'what does your father/mother do?' because it wasn't going to get more than a generic answer ('engineer', 'secretary', ...). So if Libby and Rove don't understand that sort fo thing, I think it's because they were told they could talk.
P J Evans |
03.16.06 - 8:08 am | #
Pach -- I'm coming into DC on Saturday, and will go to the studio around 6:30 am for hair and make-up. And mucho coffee -- it would be nice to be coherent. LOL We tried to set up a remote, but this ended up being easier for me.
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 8:08 am | #
Oh -- and Pach -- it's why they made tivo. *g*
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 8:09 am | #
"The Bush Administration consistently brings up legal violations in others, but when the laws are to be applied to them, it's "we don't have to follow the rules -- those are for little people."
Ever since 9-11, they've also been quick to claim the war on terrorism as a justification for breaking the law. They say, "Trust us. We're protecting you from the terrorists."
They've said that for five years. But if we accept Bush's recent poll numbers (nobody believes poll numbers, now do they? Nahhh...), then nobody's buying this administration's spin anymore.
The Bush administration is done. Oh yeah, we'll have a little blips on the radar like ANWR or Medicare, but no more major policy initiatives.
There's still Iraq. But, again, polls indicate he's lost the majority on the wars there AND aginst terrorism.
Damn you, polls! (Fist raised skyward)
The next step is to hold the Bush administration accountable. Isn't an "accountability moment" coming up in November? My hope is that if Democrats can manage keep it together long enough to reclaim the Senate, then they'll lose their timidity and truly investigate and punish the crooks in this administration.
BTW, the old blogspot feels like home-I'll miss it. Ah, but change is good, right? Just like those lyrics from "Closing Time:"
"every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end..."
mc |
03.16.06 - 8:10 am | #
"Oh, and by the way, the AC-130 gunships are back, which can only mean escalation on all fronts, because those babies don't exactly pick and choose their targets. "
off to work.....
Edward Teller |
03.16.06 - 8:14 am | #
w/cheney/rummy say get rid of that civil war-- bomb it away so we don't have to answer any more of those silly questions.
how many more dead? oh, that's right we don't do body counts. i guess this is their new and improved anti IED plan.
angie |
03.16.06 - 8:17 am | #
Bombs = changing the subject I guess with this regime. They have decided to fight the insurgents with big bombs. Yeah, that will do the trick. And every single innocent family who loses someone under those bombs will become another insurgent with an IED. :-(
GrandmaJ |
03.16.06 - 8:18 am | #
I guess one question is - why did Libby, Rove, etc NEED TO KNOW Plame's identity?
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 8:20 am | #
Edward Teller | 8:14 am --
Isn't the 29th the day Abramoff is sentenced, too?
OT -- back to the issue of the Feingold Resolution for a second. Put your tinfoil on if you'd like before you this...
1) Dems cowering, refusing to respond to constituents;
2) No serious investigation or prosecution ever done in regards to Repugs' breach of Senate Dems' server under 108th Congress;
3) NSA spying program unclear about targets, may include opposition party members;
4) As mentioned in previous thread, a progressive Senator and a Rep die under mysterious circumstances, the Senator after a threat by Cheney and after unsolved anthrax attacks on Congress persons;
What if Feingold KNOWS he could NOT speak with the Dem Party in advance of his announcement, that he had to go public first on This Week before any action could be taken? Perhaps Feingold thought it was the only way he could safely tip off Congress in advance without flagging the "Republican Guard"?
And what if a large portion of the lemmings are people who understand and perceive the nature of the threat against them? Have any of them been threatened in regards to Iran???
Just sayin'...
If this were legitimate, how do we encourage threatened folks to stand up en masse against their bully?
Rayne |
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03.16.06 - 8:21 am | #
Redd in DC --- shall we have a drinking liberally FDL edition?
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 8:21 am | #
Anotherpawn -- I've been asking that question for quite a while. There are no good answers to it -- other than political payback, revenge, or other even more unsavory motivations -- none of which are appropriate under "need to know" considerations as far as I can tell. If anyone has more experience with classified matters and can weigh in on this, I'd really appreciate it -- because it seems awfully clear to me that they ought not have even been told her status under the regs. Period.
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 8:23 am | #
חוצפה - Chutzpah - "A boy is on trial for murdering his parents, and he begs of the judge leniency because he is an orphan."
jerry |
03.16.06 - 8:24 am | #
posted by Taylor Marsh @ 3/08/2006 02:44:00 PM
You were right and I was wrong.
I expected the gunships were primarily prep to cover pullout.
Pachacutec |
03.16.06 - 8:26 am | #
Before my head explodes, please someone tell me why we are goin thru the Kabuki dance followin the rules of "due process, the rule of law" and constitutional requirements when the problem is a full blown fascist takeover of our system??!!
When are our elected Democrats gunna stand up and tell their constituents that we have a problem here on the good ship USofA...JEEzus H. Christ on a fuckin' crutch, while we tug on our forelocks and scratch our crotches and try ta figure out how many angels ken dance on the head of our already obsolete legal pin, the nazis are lettin the contracts for our "re-education camps" to Haliburton with our ouwn tax dollars. Am I missin' sumpthin' here? Come on folks help me out!
KEEP THE FAITH AND YOUR PASSPORTS!!!
NorskeFlamethrower |
03.16.06 - 8:29 am | #
i feel like i'm in a nightmare-- wall to wall coverage of the war with all the correspondents well-placed and reporting live. do ya think this was planned to take the attention away from w's 33%? on the very day he reasserts his preemptive use of force policy. http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/
Bush..._Administration
oopsie, a msnbc reporter Ned Colt just said that the majority of Iraqis feel that life was better under Saddam.
angie |
03.16.06 - 8:31 am | #
Rayne - I can never think in those military tactical terms. No moon. Yep, buckle up. Lock n load.
california_reality_check |
03.16.06 - 8:32 am | #
Tiresome. I have an easy solution to this supposed deadlock: Call the bluff. Fitz should agree to share all of his ex parte material with Libby and his lawyers, on the condition that all of them swear--under penalty of prosecution for espionage--the none of them will leak any classified information to the press (including confirmation of previous leaks), nor have they ever done so in the past.
Frank Probst |
03.16.06 - 8:32 am | #
angie - What those people don't unerstan is that we are tryin to hep em. The ingrates.
california_reality_check |
03.16.06 - 8:36 am | #
Getting ready for work this morning I had the Washington Journal on. I haven't done this for awhile because I normally oversleep and catch the news on NPR in my car on the fly.
I was pleasantly surprised that callers on BOTH lines are very frustrated. I don't know if today was a lucky day or if callers have been expressing these feelings for awhile......Things are not going well for this administration. (Of course, one wacko was calling for nuclear war with Iran as soon as possible.)
But last night TOOK THE CAKE! Watching Pat Buchanon actually telling television viewers that the only way for this president to raise his numbers would be to begin bombing Iraq. He was so excited that you could tell he was already convinced and hoping that it would happen soon. Does he have family serving?
ccmask |
03.16.06 - 8:36 am | #
I'm glad to see you guys back up.
Sven |
03.16.06 - 8:37 am | #
NorskeFlamethrower - We are afraid.
california_reality_check |
03.16.06 - 8:38 am | #
First off, you only implement the largest bombing campaign in a "non" war after you "win." Why? You might ask, that sounds like a silly thing to do. To show the people who "lost" the "non" war that you could "win" again, and to show the people next door who are the target of the next "non" war that you can do it to them too. See, when Rummy was talking about the new paradigm of asymetric warfare he was really talking about "non" war, and "non" death and "non" destruction, b/c so long as you've "won," well, you've "won," and what happens after doesn't count, ever, because you are "winners."
How could I have been so stupid (some may joke that the EPU could easily be so stupid, but remember, this is not all about me).
I think Chimpy's speech was just as likely rhetoric meant to ratchet up pressure on Iran as proof that we will attack. I don't think Iran cares, and Iran and this administration were made for each other in that regard.
But fearing reprisals on US soil? No. The entire middle east? Yeah.
Evil Parallel Universe |
03.16.06 - 8:40 am | #
Pacha,
didn't post Taylor to make you or anyone wrong -
we've all been watching coverage for what, about an hour now - and none of these twits have brought us any real info- like we got a week ago from 'a blogger'
of course I see from the ticker that bomb and other ied making materials "have been found"
wait an f ing minute here - Faux News is going on and on about 101st Airborne, rapelling, etc., locations -
I thought we weren't supposed to be telegraphing operational 'secrets' to the enemy
"U.S. and Iraqi forces today launched the largest air assault operation since the invasion of Iraq nearly three years ago, the U.S. military said. More than 50 aircraft are involved in Operation Swarmer, supporting more than 1,500 Iraqi and U.S. troops near Samarra, about 75 miles north of Baghdad. The aircraft also delivered troops from the Iraq and U.S. Army to "multiple objectives."
This is ominous, the ante is obviously being upped. It seems desperate. And the timing feels rather "canine."
timewarp |
03.16.06 - 8:45 am | #
Noron droning on and on re: w's poll numbers and when asked if there was a chance that the WH team would undergo a shakeup and she said maybe they would bring in a wise gray hair like Fred Thompson or Karen Hughes. whaa? Isn't Ole Freddy busy bailing out his buddy Scooter? Karen is busy remaking our image in the world-- omg.
angie |
03.16.06 - 8:46 am | #
I just read a piece that made the point that the is being termed an "air assault" and not an "air strike". The author made the point that this is lingo for using aircraft, usually helicopters, to ferry in troops. An air strike in military lingo refers to firepower from the air. I don't know whether this is correct. Has anyone actually heard reference to bombing?
Another thought. Does the area in question, northeast of Samarra, having any particular significance for a possible future assault on Iran? Anyone out there informed about such matters?
sonofslothrop |
03.16.06 - 8:46 am | #
It appears that the US military is moving into the next phase in their conduct of the war..
They want to turn the "boots on the ground" work over to Iraqis and allow the US to provide abstract and random "death from the sky". This will:
1) reduce US casualties (down to one per day this month)
2) increase Iraqi causalties
Their hope is that this change will make it possible to continue the US role in the conflict for another few years.
They may be right.
rwcole |
03.16.06 - 8:48 am | #
EPU - For the most part the American people don't really understand what a monumental fuckup this is. The chimp has MADE us the target of generations of Arabs. I'm telling ya, it's not a good idea. We are ging to pay. BIG TIME.
california_reality_check |
03.16.06 - 8:49 am | #
Breaking:
Lincoln Chaffee (R) says he may yet support censure. Says Bush broke the law, which is more than the many in the Dem caucus have admitted.
Keep calling, keep up the pressure.
We are building momentum.
I'll post a link when I have one. This one came in via email.
Pachacutec |
03.16.06 - 8:53 am | #
cbl | 03.16.06 - 8:42 am | #
I know. But I like to admit when I'm wrong.
Pachacutec |
03.16.06 - 8:54 am | #
new thread: Iraq
John Casper |
03.16.06 - 8:55 am | #
Paul Craig Roberts:
"However, an unprovoked nuclear attack on Iran would leave the US, already regarded as a pariah nation, totally isolated."
Thanks George, Dick, Condi and Rummy. We are now a fucking "pariah nation". 5 years and you have reduced our nations status to that of Serbia under Slobodan Milosevic.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
Granite State Destroyer |
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03.16.06 - 8:55 am | #
Thanks for pointing this out. I've been commenting on this on blogs for a while.
Do keep in mind that Libby did not have a need to know the identity of any NOC, nor does Rove, nor does Cheney. Just trying to find out was a security violation, and the CIA should have not given this information out. Security considerations are not governed by one's rank in a hierarchy. This just demonstrates that the administration is not concerned with security except, as with apparently anything, it can be used as an authoratian tool to stifle dissent.
jayackroyd |
03.16.06 - 9:04 am | #
rwcole,
Of course you are right, but, again of course , this is doomsday-bunker strategy reminiscent of 1945 Berlin or 1973-74 Washington/Saigon. I really believe that the nazis in the administration want to provolk a nuclear terror strike and would let it happen...
If we can survive this week without bein' hit again, I think that censure will be a sure thing by Monday next.
This is it folks...they're tryin ta bring it all down around themselves and there is nuthin ta do about it but to hope that the Arabs and the rest a the world will jest wait and let us self-emolate.
KEEP THE FAITH, WHEN THIS IS OVER WE'RE GUNNA PUT 'EM ALL ON TRIAL!!!
NorskeFlamethrower |
03.16.06 - 9:05 am | #
jayackroyd -- I pointed this all out in a post last October -- but thought it could use some repeating, since the basics of security clearances never quite get the coverage they ought to have in this case in the corporate media. Which is a shame, because I think we could all benefit from a better understanding of how even basic rules and regs were disregarded.
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 9:08 am | #
Redd
We're talkin 4:45 AM here!!! As ashamed as I am to admit it, we don't have TIVO :(
kathi |
03.16.06 - 9:10 am | #
Redd
will they replay it later?
kathi |
03.16.06 - 9:11 am | #
Kathi -- don't they usually replay the show later in the day? I know I often catch the replays later -- since certain small girlies aren't always excited to feed momma's political news obsession, and we end up watching Elmo instead. ;-)
ReddHedd |
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03.16.06 - 9:12 am | #
Speaking of the sterling job the press is doing with this story--what a difference a word makes. Here's the last sentence of David Johnston's article for the New York Times about Armitage possibly being Woodward's source:
"Novak identified Wilson in a column on July 14, 2003, after Wilson's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson 4th, publicly criticized the Bush administration as twisting intelligence about Iraq's weapons programs in the months preceding the war."
At the risk of sounding Clintonesque, the use of the word "as" in that sentence is downright weaselly. To see how wrong it is, consider the following:
"Republicans publicly criticized Clinton as getting a blow job."
Doesn't sound right, does it? Because it's not what you'd say; you'd say they criticized him for getting a blow job, because, well, that's what he did.
The word "as," however, would be correct in a sentence like, "The GOP portrayed Clinton as dishonest." The difference here, of course, is that the GOP would like you to think Clinton's dishonest, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is.
Johnston's use of "as" avoids coming right out and saying the administration twisted intelligence; it implies that the White House's lies pre-Iraq are open to question, and maybe just a matter of Joseph Wilson's opinion. This one little word is a microcosm of all the craven water-carrying the press has been doing for Dubya all along.
Tell the truth, David: Wilson criticized the administration for twisting intelligence. It's what he did, and more importantly, it's what they did. Just say it.
Leslie in CA |
03.16.06 - 9:26 am | #
I know, we have the same problem here. I live with my grandkids al three and with them it's fight for the Game Cube!!
kathi |
03.16.06 - 9:27 am | #
About anotherpawn's question:
I guess one question is - why did Libby, Rove, etc NEED TO KNOW Plame's identity?
It's hard to imagine a legitimate reason why anyone at the highest levels of the WH should have this information -- this kind of operational information would normally be compartmentalized, and the most obvious way a high-level manager (e.g., the prez) would learn about it (absent clear evidence of wrongdoing by the lower-level operative, which isn't the case here) would be through micromanagement .
This CLEARLY isn't the situation here, as the Bushies don't know how to manage, much less micromanage.
There are plenty of illegitimate reasons, tho, including the all-too-obvious one of political payback against Joe Wilson. There might be even more nefarious rationales at play here (it's easy to start sounding like a missing episode of the X-Files while still remaining firmly grounded in the facts at hand about this sordid episode), but all of the likely illegitimate reasons could easily arise from a single common modus operandi of the Bush administration, namely that they try to work the levers of government without any sense of respect or understanding for how that government actually works in practice.
For example, people who've never served in the military readily make military blunders, e.g., the myriad problems with the execution of the Iraq war. And people who haven't served to protect classified information readily make information security blunders, e.g., pointlessly outing a CIA operative working in one of the most important venues of counterterrorism and nonproliferation.
So I suspect the reason that they know this stuff is simply because they have no clue that they ought NOT to know this stuff. They just don't "get it" when it comes to governance and the rule of law, and hence trying to find rational reasons for their actions is a futile exercise.
What's scary here to me is that "they don't get it" and "there's no accountability" is as lethal a combination as I can imagine for the behaviors of a public servant. As long as there is no penalty for bad actions (e.g., retaining one's security clearance after even the slightest hint of impropriety in handling classified information), and no desire to learn about how the government is actually supposed to work, then's there nothing but trouble ahead.
The good news is that this problem is now well-established, thanks to continuing evidence that the Bush administration has no idea how to govern, and no apparent motivation to learn on the job, either.
So the outing of Valerie Plame is now but one example of a now-well-established larger problem, which makes this story easier to tell, and which helps the citizenry learn that their current government is not working in the national interest.
just fwiw, the image I have of the Bush administration is that of the bus driver in "The Truman Show". He knows there's a steering wheel and pedals and levers, and he places his hands on those controls with an apparent sense of purpose, but he simply has no idea how any of those devices contribute to make the bus go.
With regard to the CJR Pincas article, this is the best line for me:
He learned that principle of incremental coverage in part, he says, from Andrew Lack, then of CBS News, in the early 1980s. “Andy came out of advertising,” he says, “and he got me thinking that what news stories on the nightly news were — if you think of them as ads — it’s the visuals, and the message, and it has to be repeated. That’s how things get through to people.”
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And that is what the old media is doing for the administration......
And to Pat Buchanon-thanks for the war!
ccmask |
03.16.06 - 10:00 am | #
I guess I was being coy with my question. Really, I know there's no good reason they'd need to know who Plame is.
anotherpawn |
03.16.06 - 10:02 am | #
Bushco has already laid the groundwork to excuse the release of classified info by Whitehouse employees.
You don't think Dead Eye Dick would go on TV and state that he has the authority to declassify info unless they were setting up future defenses, do you?
I don't believe in coincidences. Or the Tooth Fairy.
Bill Arnett |
03.16.06 - 10:26 am | #
My two cents re: the classified info leak, learned from serving in a comm unit in the Marine Corps:
There are three things you need in order to deal with classified material - Clearance, Access and Need to Know. You MUST have all three or you are in violation. Even if you have the clearance and need to know, if the info you seek is in a locked vault and you aren't on the list to get into that vault, then it's a no-go.
This is Classified info 101 for the military, stuff that even a lowly Private knows about, and takes very, very seriously.
That Scooter Libby chose to violate these very simple rules is inexcusable. "I was really busy," in the military would translate as, "I'm just too incompetent to do my job correctly, so please court martial me."
To give a small example, I worked with cryptography for radios. If, during an inventory, a piece of gear was missing and couldn't be found, then nobody in the entire unit was going home until it was accounted for (with the risk that the whole base might be shut down and outgoing vehicles searched). This didn't just apply to actual Crypto Keys, but even the cables used to connect the equipment. Also keep in mind that none of that equipment even had valid crypto information stored on it.
Regardless, losing gear was not an option. No matter what.
To riff off of cieran's point a little, I'm wondering not just why Libby had Need to Know, but how he got Access. I'm not sure if all those CIA files are open to people at that level, but I would assume there is a vetting process for every single NOC file that gets passed on, and if not, then there should be.
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03.16.06 - 11:54 am | #
Lets see here, Bush corp. violates Nation Security and then uses National Security as the reason that the case can’t be tried. Never mind that Fitzgerald had to limit this case to perjury, instead of the vastly more important case of the breaching National Security, because Bush corp. would have used the National Security trump card to prevent the case from going to trial and thus getting their just deserves. Now they have the unmitigated audacity of claiming that same National Security “Get Out of Jail” card belongs in the same domain as the perjury trial, when the only possible connection is the errant claim that Cheney could declassify Plame’s identity. Talk about having your cake and eating it too!
The unmitigated gall of this administration has been a constant and unbending force since day one on the job. It’s not just their utter disregard of their oath to the Constitution and that they consider themselves above the law that is so disgusting. It’s the sweeping wave of amorality that I strenuously object to!
That this country appears to have lost its moral bearing is beyond debate. Seemingly, the political leaders, the religious leaders, the traditional media and the people of the United States of America have become inured to the constant moral outrages perpetrated by the Bush administration, of which the outing of an undercover CIA agent is but one of an almost innumerable examples which readily spring to mind. The perceived lack of outrage in this case is symptomatic of a larger trend.
To see the scope of this onslaught of this immorality, I propose that we focus on the case of Valerie Plame Wilson. Valerie Plame Wilson was a CIA NOC according to the CIA, who reportedly worked in the area of weapons of mass destruction. I think that we can safely say that one of our greatest fears is that terrorists will explode a nuclear bomb in one of our cities and certainly, the Bush administration representatives used this threat as their primary reason for the preemptive invasion of Iraq. Really, the outing an agent that was working to prevent such an occurrence is such an utterly disgusting piece of work that mere words fail to convey the full moral outrage. Ask yourself this: if given a choice between drinking a large, steaming bowl of diarrhea and outing a undercover agent whose work was to prevent terrorists from gaining weapons of mass destruction, what would do? Where is the perceived outrage to match the magnitude of such a dirty deed?
As I said before, this is just one example of a seemingly innumerable amount of actions by the Bush administration of radically amoral behavior. Where is the oversight called for in our Constitution to prevent such outrageous actions? Well it isn’t in our Legislature because the GOP controlled Congress, which apparently shares the same goals and ideology as the Bush administration, has almost unanimously supported these actions by choosing not to defend the Constitution, as is its charge. And thus, our Constitution and we the people of the United States are now clinging to the hope that we can find justice in our judiciary system. And the fact that these perpetrators of these amoral, unlawful, and unconstitutional actions can possibly escape justice by invoking national security as a legal trump card, when they violated that same national security is outrageously infuriating! Where is the perceived outrage?
I will tell you where the perceived outrage is. It is located in the offices of the traditional media, the offices of the Congressional staffers, the offices located on K Street, the offices of the top management located on Wall Street and all the appendages that make up the Republican Noise Machine. They control the perceived dialog in this country and thus they quite successfully suppress the perceived outrage. The real outrage is that, so far, we the people (or the peasants under glass as they like to refer to us) are powerless to stop them.
Where is the outrage?
Jay Hawkers |
03.16.06 - 12:32 pm | #
"The unmitigated gall of this administration has been a constant and unbending force since day one on the job. It’s not just their utter disregard of their oath to the Constitution and that they consider themselves above the law that is so disgusting. It’s the sweeping wave of amorality that I strenuously object to!"
We all need to call it what it is, and stop using the word "incompetence!"
kathi |
03.16.06 - 12:55 pm | #
Redd,
You really ought to get folks to look at Title 18, Sections 793, 794 and 798. 793-794 pertain to Libby and his disclosures of Plame.
I reference Title 18, Section 798 about the Chalabi disclosure to Iran that we had broken their secret codes.
As you mentioned, just failing to report an accidental disclosure is a violation under 793. The particular portion is 794(f).
I've read that Brewster Jennings was working on WMD to IRAN and I'm still at a loss as to why no one seems to want to touch that angle.
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Sony Grand WEGA SXRD KDS-R50XBR1 50 in Rear-Projection LCoS TV . $450
Sony Wega KDF-E50A10 50 in LCD Rear-Projection TV. $450
Sharp Aquos LC-32DA5U 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV . $350
BRYAN ROBINSON |
01.30.07 - 6:12 am | #
Nokia N95…………..$300usd
Nokia N93…………..$250usd
Nokia N92…………..$200usd
Nokia N70…………..$160usd
Nokia N71…………..$170usd
Nokia N73......$200usd
Nokia N90…………..$160usd
Nokia 7700………….$130usd
Nokia 1110………….$120usd
Nokia N91…………..$180usd
Nokia N80…………..$175usd
Nokia 6682………….$140usd
Sony Ericsson P800…..$150usd
Sony Ericsson W900i….$190usd
Sony Ericsson W850i….$170usd
Sony Ericsson W950i….$250usd
Sony Ericsson P900…..$200usd
Sony Ericsson P980i….$180usd
Sony Ericsson P990…..$230usd
Rif Billy |
02.06.07 - 7:40 pm | #
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Nokia N90.. .... ..180usd
Nokia N80... .... .170usd
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02.08.07 - 2:04 am | #
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rollan |
03.14.07 - 4:23 pm | #
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GHz - 12.1? TFT$600usd
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Dell Inspiron 700M for Home (Pentium M 1.70GHz, 512MB, 40GB)$1100usd
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Alienware Area-51 5300 - P4 530J 3 GHz$590usd
Alienware DHS 5 (Athlon 64 1.8 GHz)$1590usd
Alienware Aurora ALX SLI$2100usd
SONY VAIO A217S? 100GB? 512MB RAM? XP HOME $400usd
SONY VAIO B1VP? 40GB HD? 512MB RAM? XP PRO$430usd
SONY VAIO T370P/L? 60GB HD? 512MB RAM? XP$330usd
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD? 512MB RAM? Xp$550usd
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rollan |
03.14.07 - 4:33 pm | #
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mac donald |
03.22.07 - 3:21 pm | #
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president
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models of Nextel phones for sale also at very cheap prices.We sell our
phones at very cheap and reasonable prices.We do ship all over the world.
The best awards and adV specialties supplier on the Net
auctioning-Sidekick and Ipod
Regards
president
MR Alex Marshall
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Mrs.Lisa Laffoon: |
03.27.07 - 6:41 am | #
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elias bryant |
04.10.07 - 3:29 pm | #
Dear
( agnesf@imrancellularltd.com)
Here are some of our present
Nokia N95... . ... 280usd
Nokia N73.. ..... 230usd
Nokia N93..........220usd
Nokia N92... .. . 200usd
Nokia N91... .... 180usd
Nokia N90.. .... ..180usd
Nokia N80... .... .170usd
Nokia N70..... . 160usd
Nokia 8800... . . 200usd
Nokia 9300i... .. 180usd
Nokia9500.... . . 180usd
Nokia E61..... . ..180usd
agnes |
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04.17.07 - 6:32 am | #
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Murad |
04.19.07 - 6:15 am | #
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Nokia N70 $160
Nokia N71 $165
Nokia N72 $180
Nokia N90 $170
Nokia N91 $170
Nokia N92 $180
Nokia E70 $220
Nokia E60 $200
Nokia E61 $200
Nokia N95 FOR $250USD
Nokia N93 FOR $200USD
Nokia N76 FOR $200USD
Nokia N75 FOR $200USD
Nokia N83 FOR $200USD
Nokia N82 FOR $185USD
Nokia N81 FOR $170USD
Nokia N80 FOR $160USD
Nokia N73 FOR $200usd
Nokia 8800 sirocco $180
SIDEKICK PHONE LIST.
SIDEKICK III-- $120
SIDEKICK II -- $100
JUICY COUTURE SIDEKICK II-- $120
SIDEKICK II MISTER CARTOON--$120
yemi |
05.13.07 - 10:04 am | #
FIND BELOW LIST OF OUR MOBILE PHONES WE STOCK:
Nokia Phones
Nokia 6070......$240
Nokia 6080......$240
Nokia 6085......$240
Nokia 6101.......$240
Nokia 7373......$250
Nokia 7380......$250
Nokia 7390......$250
Nokia 8800.....$250
Nokia 8800 ...$350 Sirocco Edition
Nokia 9300i....$300
Nokia E50......$270
Nokia E60.....,$270
Nokia E61.....,$270
Nokia E62.....,$270
Nokia E90 .....$300 Communicator
Nokia E70......$270
Nokia N70......$220
Nokia N71......$220
Nokia N72......$220
Nokia N73......$220
Nokia N76......$350
Nokia N80......$250
Nokia N90......$250
Nokia N91......$240
Nokia N92......$240
Nokia N93i.....$350
Nokia N93......$260
Nokia N95......$260
Nokia N97......$300
Nokia Vertu....$450
william |
Homepage |
08.01.07 - 7:06 am | #
Nokia 6070......$240
Nokia 6080......$240
Nokia 6085......$240
Nokia 6101.......$240
Nokia 7373......$250
Nokia 7380......$250
Nokia 7390......$250
Nokia 8800.....$250
Nokia 8800 ...$350 Sirocco Edition
Nokia 9300i....$300
Nokia E50......$270
Nokia E60.....,$270
Nokia E61.....,$270
Nokia E62.....,$270
Nokia E90 .....$300 Communicator
Nokia E70......$270
Nokia N70......$220
Nokia N71......$220
Nokia N72......$220
Nokia N73......$220
Nokia N76......$350
Nokia N80......$250
Nokia N90......$250
Nokia N91......$240
Nokia N92......$240
Nokia N93i.....$350
Nokia N93......$260
Nokia N95......$260
Nokia N97......$300
Nokia Vertu....$450
william |
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08.01.07 - 7:10 am | #
For places where there are armed belligerents who are fighting against stabilization and connectivity, you need enough firepower to keep them under control. For the nation building I envision using people like the Navy SEABEES, the Army Corps of Engineers, and mobile military medical teams that can work with the trigger pullers and do the soft power projection. The major drawback: It costs big bucks.
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