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It looks like the fundies get anything.blogpot, not just individual blogs. I typed in gfndgdh.blogpot.com and got the same page. Clever fundies...
I think your post about bad toy substances leaching chemicals linked to an Alternet article. Maybe this one? Ah, yes. From your blog archives shortly after that article was posted, your post.
I am the Queen of Google and searching. All bow down before me.
It looks like the fundies get anything.blogpot, not just individual blogs. I typed in gfndgdh.blogpot.com and got the same page. Clever fundies...
Well, thank you very much for making me feel completely unimportant. I'm going to take to my bed now and die of ennui.
She’s been exposed to the fundies so long that she honestly believes, “will no one think of the children?!” is a valid argument.
As the owner of the last letter, I could a) care less how you distribute or otherwise mention it on your website--I stand by everything I said 100% and I'm quite sure I'm by no means the only person who holds those beliefs and b) I don't give two shits about religious fundamentalists or there views--I am a feminist and I oppose porn on the basis that it subjugates women unto men. Having a jointly shared view with (fundies) does not a fundie make.
Furthermore,the letter still smacks of 'pervert' getting off on talking about sexual matters of teens. And yes, there ARE men who do this kind of shit, for whatever reason, i've seen it happen in other fora over the years. I find it hard to believe that this person genuinely believes a seventeen year old wants to get a 'masturbation manual' given to her by an authority figure, nor do I believe that this person believes that a SEVENTEEN year old would not seek out such information herself should she be interested in it. I know of no teens that do not have access to the internet (in others homes, if not their own) or a public library. So, you know, feel free to think what you want, but you haven't changed my views on anything.
Judging from both your email and your last comment, it's increasingly difficult to discern what you do or don't care about, aside from caring very much that I be made aware of your disapproval. In your email you "find it appalling that you feel you have the right to provide sexual paraphernalia to MINOR CHILDREN." Now it seems you "could care less how you distribute or otherwise mention it on your website."
(And by the way, according to the State of Illinois Attorney General's office, I absolutely do have the right, as pornography and sex toys are not considered the same thing.)
The person who asked the question was not interested in providing her stepdaughter with pornography, so your anti-porn stance is irrelevant to the question at hand. A "masturbation manual" is not pornography, either, at least, not in the sense the the questioner was framing it in. Dr. Jocelyn Elders, former Surgeon General, felt it was a necessary topic for sex ed, and so do I.
With both the letter-writer and you yourself, I answer in ways that not only benefit the asker, but also the more general blog reader. I can't know whether you or the stepmother are representing yourselves honestly. Neither can Dear Abby or Miss Manners. What I can do is post questions that I feel are of interest to the general reader.
As far as the rest of your comments, you continue to pinwheel around, trying to find an accusation that you think I'll find upsetting (you're bisexual! You're uneducated!), regardless of truth or accuracy. I have no interest in disabusing you of your anti-porn stance, and have yet to write anything negative about the anti-pornography activism of radical feminists. Which of course, you have no interest in knowing, since it doesn't assist you in your need to condemn.
Since the post had nothing to do with pornography, I can only assume your intention is to find a random blogger to vent on to puff up your sense of self-righteous outrage. I do hope you've gotten it all out of your system, because this is going to be the last exchange on the subject.
As the person who wrote the original letter that got Ms.J so hot and bothered, I can assure you that:
1) I am a woman.
2) My perversions, while many and varied, definitely have nothing to do with my stepdaughter.
3) I wouldn't even bother to respond to this kind of rant, but I hate to see flea take the heat for something I asked about.
For starters, I just love the way that Ms.J imputes my motives without knowing the tiniest little detail about the situation. Thanks so much for putting words in my mouth, ya dizzy bitch.
The problem is not that my stepdaughter isn't capable of looking up this kind of information on her own, the problem is that her fundie grandparents have done all they could to convince her that knowing anything about the subject is Wrong. She is on the brink of having an extremely unhealthy view of her own sexuality, and I would like to spare her that if possible.
As far as the "inappropriateness" of my concern for her goes, if she were anorexic I would be a bad parent if I ignored her problem and didn't try to help her gain a more balanced body image. Why is it any different when I'm afraid she's starving another perfectly normal human need? I'm not urging her to go out and have sex, I'm simply letting her know that these feelings are not "evil" and that it's perfectly natural to take matters into her own hands. So to speak.
I thought flea's advice was very good, and I appreciated her taking the time to address my question in such detail.
Jenny, I apologize if this has caused you any upset. I think MsJ's beef, as it is completely unrelated to the actual topic you and I discussed, has much more to do with her own personality than with the subject at hand. Personally, I've received enough phony letters to where I'm reasonably sure I can spot the fakes, and, due to the way you phrased your letter, I felt you were sincere.
Much appreciated.
Just in case you're checking your comments, rather than your e-mail, could I trouble you to edit my post slightly? I just sent you a rather frantic e-mail about it. 
Done.
Flea,
I for one am grateful for your post about the teen/step-daughter. I was a nanny for two fabulous girls, and I'm still very much involved in their lives. They are like my own children, but I get the advantage of being the adult they aren't afraid to talk to. They've both come to me with very personal, intimate, difficult questions. And at 15 and 17, they are entering rough waters with friends and boyfriends alike. They have very good parents, but parents who are a bit shy to talk about sexually related information.
I, on the other hand, am very open with them, so they know I will answer them honestly without trying to hide things. I don't tell them what to do, I listen and we sort things out together.
I also currently work for an AIDS Services organization, and am starting a new job with Planned Parenthood next week, so I have a passion for sexually based causes (that might sound funny, but it's not meant to be) and I have great access to very good information for girls that age.
I want to thank you for the Scarleteen web page. I will pass it on to the girls so they can peruse the site and come to me with any questions it might raise.
I firmly believe that being open and honest about these most difficult-to-discuss issues is what will keep our kids coming to us for the answers rather than their ill-informed classmates or tv shows. By sharing information with them first, we give them the honor of being trusted and treated like an adult. And in turn, they'll trust us back.
Sorry Ms.J. But whatever has you pissed off should be explored, you should really try to understand how important it is to help our children (step-children or otherwise) learn about healthy sexuality. It will help them be better partners to whomever they choose as a mate.
Thanks Flea!!
You sure you're not affiliated with that blogpot site? It does have "The Soon Coming Climax" in huge red letters right on the front page.
So surfin' the net to seek out "such information should she be interested in it" is a safer route for that 17 year old to go?
Wow.
Yeah, thats sure how I hope my kids get their sex education.
BTW, when my boy needs a blow up doll, flea, I'm coming STRAIGHT TO YOU.
The Scarleteen website is indeed a safe route to go. Randomly surfing the net is not, a suggestion that was neither said nor implied.
It is unfortunate you can't or won't see the difference between parents carefully choosing accurate sex information for their children and the "anything goes at any age" attitude you seem determined to attribute to me and the parents who are interested in the information.
Gotta love the effects of the abstinence/ignorance only education policies of the past 7 years.
flea: I believe Amy was addressing MsJ's belief that teens should do their own sexual research without guidance on the internet, not addressing you.
Of course, I'm assuming you're addressing Amy... ah, assumptions.
Don't know why I'm wasting my time, but..
You know nothing of my "beliefs" outside of the particular situation in which a step-parent felt some odd desire to provide her husband's daughter with masturbation text and sex toys. I said it was inappropriate. I still say it is inappropriate. I've no desire to address the bogus, psedu-enlightened "but porn is so sexxy and enlightened and empowerful" bullshit. Want to empower your daughter/young woman who is in your life? Take her to a women's self defense class or women's shelter.Rape, battery, and homeless are just a tad bit more important issues to educate a young woman upon. Furthermore, "Jenny Hanniver's" response was exactly what I'd expect from someone who'd write a letter like that: Garbage.
And last but not least, I never said teens should learn sex from the internet--but apparently the mentality of the average poster here is so low that I have to explain in detail. Since i wrote seventeen in caps, It was my assumption that people would understand I was implying due to the AGE (late teens)of the girl, If she had an interest in reading about masturbation, I'm sure she would have already done so on her own. Furthermore, if someone WASN'T interested, why are you trying to push sexuality upon them? This is my issue with pro-porn bullshit, it's the reversal of conservatism; pushing a baseless belief on a group of people in order to further personal agendas.
And for the woman who made the disgusting blow-up doll comment: If you choose to raise a male that views women as nothing more than orifices to stick his dick into, please keep him far, far away from me,and other women, forever.
And don't worry, flea, this will be my final post.
Okay. Even if the original letter from Jenny (good on ya, Jenny, for backing flea up, BTW) were a fake, who the fuck CARES?! It's still a plausible situation presented, not some creepy, dumbass Penthouse letter - the letter writer didn't ask how to personally demonstrate masturbation techniques to/on her stepdaughter, or for pictures of teen girls masturbating as "reference." (I know, I know, even Penthouse wouldn't answer something that lame, but another forum name escapes me right now, 'cause I'm so pissed off.) All the stepmother asked for was information for her stepdaughter. She never even asked for advice as to which vibrator to purchase.
Millie, as for how dare flea "speak on behalf of women?" Well, she is one, for starters, which gives her some gravitas. I've never seen her proclaim to speak for all women, either. I've been reading her blog for a while now, and some big reasons why are her knowledge and eloquence from a feminist perspective. She's not afraid to ask "why" or to call sexist or homophobic or racist bullshit when she sees it. As a lesbian myself, I've never once felt "left out" in this forum, unlike other blogs I read that are written by straight folks.
Also, as a lesbian , I'd never want to be aligned with people like you, or to have people assume that all lesbians are as tight-assed and self-righteous as you.
I miss Jes already.
But...Jenny wasn't trying to push PORN on her stepdaughter. Why is this chick stuck on that?! Where the hell is that even coming from?! Can't she see a difference between healthy information about sexuality and pornography?
Don't answer that. I already know the sad answer.
Yes, I was referring to this quip from Ms. J. : "nor do I believe that this person believes that a SEVENTEEN year old would not seek out such information herself should she be interested in it. I know of no teens that do not have access to the internet (in others homes, if not their own) or a public library."
And my post earlier was peppered heavily with sarcasm and my personal note to flea was entirely tongue-in-cheek; just pointing that out to the one commenter whose mentality is so low that I have to explain in detail.
Now, if you're having trouble with 'sarcasm', theres a little place called www.dictionary.com.
Ah. It's like old times. Sweet sigh.
flea, a great big hearty yes to the fantastic effects of abstinence-only education. Which, having been in place 7 years, will have the gravest impact on people who are...wait for it...just now turning 17! Who knew?
Sticky Knits, you should know that as a mother I deeply appreciate what adults like you do for the children and teens with whom you have trusting relationships. As lp rockets toward full-blown teenagerhood, I am every day more thankful for the women in her life: the friends and aunts and cousins who have been with her long enough that she just knows in her bones that she can talk to them about anything. I don't care if she doesn't want to come to me on any given issue, so long as she has someone good to go to.
My mother bought me a "masturbation manual" when I was 13. I believe it was called "Our Bodies Our Selves" and consisted of the most valuable input I got from her since we were never very good at discussing the subject with each other.
Regardless of one's stance on porn, teenagers DO need direction in finding good information about sex and sexuality.
And I, for one, learned something new about laws in Illinois. I like to think this was the result of some sophistication on the part of lawmakers, but it is probably an absence of legislation, isn't it?
flea, just wanted to tell you that the Scarleteen info came at a good time for us. I told my teenage son about it and put it in the Favorites, but I got the "rolled eyes" look. I know that he looked at it later though and he does know that if he asks me a question that I will answer honestly or look up the information with him. Thanks for your help!
Am I the only one who sees "subjugates women unto men" and thinks fundie?
Also, speaking of old times, it almost seems like Ms.J's first name must be Tiffany.
Slab faced lesbians! Dick wagons! The smake! The bithes! Ah, the humanity!
IT LIVES! RISING FROM THE SLUDGE, THE MS. BOARD HAS BEEN BORN AGAIN!
(And Brooke--TIFFANY!!! OMG I totally forgot about her.)
Ah, those were the days.
Flea, you continue to rock. Ms. Jen, or Ms. Jes, or whatever the hell her name is is a total tool.
Wow! Just wow! The comments lounge is smokin'!
I'm just not sure WHAT some are smokin'!
Side note: Thanks for your help on that personal matter, Flea. I sure do appreciate you!!
One more reader glad for the reminder about Scarleteen - I actually tripped over a certain teenager's bullet vibe recently (she'd at least wrapped it in a towel, but I think it wound up in the laundry hamper by accident). I don't know how I'll tell her to get and use a toybox, but at least I can give her a reliable Internet link. Reference books (like Our Bodies, Ourselves) seem to be less interesting. Is it having to laboriously turn pages?
Because educating girls who are old enough to get married in masturbation is wrong. Especially when they may be confused about their feelings or convinced by their grandparents that those feeling will cause them to spend eternity burning...
Access to education - remove
Sexual freedom - remove
Yeah, that sounds like a great feminist move.
Amy, I'm sorry. I totally misread you. I even did some secret squirreling around and found what I think is your blog, and read it and thought, "Hmmm. She seems nice. Wonder what's going on?"
Again, sorry.
Ginjoint - Thanks (and thanks to everyone else who understands that sex education doesn't mean "porn," and also that stepmothers can indeed have strong, honest, relationships with their stepchildren.
it is probably an absence of legislation, isn't it?
Good question, anon. I think it has something to do with how sex toys are classified, but I honestly don't know for sure. I think they're classified as "novelties" and not "sexual paraphernalia" so places like Spencer's Gifts can sell them and still have teens come in and buy their lava lamps and Justin Timberlake posters. There is a definite distinction between sex toys and pornography, though, so they would probably have to put sex toys under the broader umbrella of "obscene material," which I don't think Illinois is too hot to do. From what I understand, regulations about adult material vary from county to county. Naperville fines Lover's Lane $500 for every underaged child that is found in there, and they don't sell porn - they do sell Candida Royalle movies with all the sex scenes cut out. Can you imagine? Those movies are so boring the sex is all that's worth watching, and not even then, really. When I worked there we'd get all kinds of irritated customers coming back to complain.
Also, for those interested, this is Scarleteen creator Heather Corrina's mission statement, for lack of a better phrase. "What is Feminist Sex Education?" is an essay describing the kind of education the Scarleteen website strives toward.
God, flea, maybe you should send her a dildo..
Flea - stepmothers get so little appreciation (thanks for that, Mr. Disney! Hope you don't mind that I didn't put baking soda in the freezer, you assbag, and no, I'm not planning to grow a wart on my nose, thanks you a bunch). I really appreciate you acknowledging us, Flea, because parenting is SO hard, and being a stepparent? Oh my god, is it harder. So much more difficult than I ever would have thought, but very rewarding (at least for me). I birthed one, and am a mom to two. Period. But I feel like I (and my compatriots) get forgotten in the mothering discussion so often.
Thanks for the appreciation. I'm a step mom who gave her teen step daughter A Sex Book (oh the horror! Giving the teen a Porno Manual! Sigh), and would have followed the lead of others, had I thought of it.
Peacemongermom
You can save the predictable, small-minded reply of "uhyuck uhyuck, i'll send you a vibrator"...
Alas, she gives herself away at the end. She's angling for a free vibrator, without providing embarassing kid stories or internet cliches in return. For shame!
" God, flea, maybe you should send her a dildo..
Chuck "
Case in point: Apparently this "feminist" woman allows males, or those representing themselves as males, to threaten and attempt to put women in their place with sexual imagery.
Take your porno fantasies elsewhere--I'm not interested in your dick-real or fake. and any further sexual commentary directed towards me will be received as a threat of sexual assault
Oh my goodness. If we're about to veer into the Who's A Woman stuff I'm going to have to make some fuckin' popcorn.
TIFFANY! Brooke, you're astounding.
And you know what? one more thing. If "chuck's" comment isn't proof if the VALID issue feminists have with pornograhpy,I don't know what is. If porn and sex toys are so enlightened and cool and hip and pro-woman, it wouldnt' be the first thing women get attacked with. When radical feminist bloggers were attacked a few weeks ago, men were sending them porn and violent, misogynistic descriptions of what should be (sexually) done to them. So of course "chuck" thinks everyone should own a dildo, because "chuck" believes that women exist to be subordinated by men.
Luckily not all of us have any vested interest in making nice with the boys or seeking their approval.
Wow, she sure has a bug up her butt. It's sad, these lesbians that are lesbians less for their love of women and more for their hatred of men. I'm sure that something horrific happened to her in the past, and now ALL men are evil rapists.
Look honey, there are some wonderful men out there, just are there are some women out there that are simpering idiots. Sadly though, the bad men get the most press.
Anyways, your tirade isn't winning anyone over here. I, for one, use and enjoy sex toys. I find that a nice orgasm before bed acts as a pleasant, drug free, sleep aid. Am I supposed to be ashamed that I enjoy sex and masturbation? Am I supposed to be ashamed that I enjoy all matter of toys, including insertion ones? I thought that feminists are supposed to take pride in their bodies. My vagina is a part of this body, and I rather like it.
Also, I think that I was lucky to find Scarleteen when I was 16 or 17. I think I would have have been even better off if I had found it earlier. Having young people know how their bodies work removes the mysticism. They won't have to experiment to find out what it feels like. They'll know that one can orgasm on their own with involving another person. They'll also know how to enjoy sex when it comes to be their time to do it. I think it helps young people make better decisions.
Just wanted to know that good sex-ed helped me learn how my body works. I even waited until I was 17 to do the whole sex thing, and you know what? I enjoyed it. It was fun. Hah.
"Wow, she sure has a bug up her butt. It's sad, these lesbians that are lesbians less for their love of women and more for their hatred of men. I'm sure that something horrific happened to her in the past, and now ALL men are evil rapists."
Well, Flea, where's your response to the rampant lesbophobia and misogyny on your "feminist" blog? I guess your brand of feminism only extends to peddling porn. In the "but what about da pwecious menzzzz" crowd, a lesbian standing up to a misogynist's lewd sexual comments MUST mean that she "hates men" and of course, the oldie but goodie: the implication that women are only lesbians becuase they were raped by men.
And quite frankly, manders, if da menz are so excellent and great--have at 'em. You're the one defending your lfiestyle, not me. I am a LESBIAN, got that? I don't need to be told how"wonderful" any damn man is in a romantic and/or sexual sense. And it speaks volumes that you feel the need to defend men to me, after one clearly posted a misogynistic, anti-woman, anti-lesbian comment. And I'm not your "honey". I have a visible handle, if you wish to address me, use it.
no no no... not all lesbian are man haters. I'm well aware of this.
Okay - no more feeding the troll..
Right, I guess people become "trolls" when the opposing party is insufficiently intelligent enough to refute anything they've said. What did you think, manders, i'd go cower in a corner, and thank you for setting me straight on how great the pwecious menzz pwecious dicks are? Your lesbophobic comments were out of left field, and not germane to anything I've said. I could care less about men. I could care less if some women want to have sex with them and being anti-pornography is not anti-sex , anti-heterosexual , or anti- romance.
As clearly demonstrated by the poster "chuck" porn is an extension of men's hatred for females and the female body, thus the reason if a woman gets out of line she should be reminded of her place by having dicks shoved in her.
Try to read something other than pop feminism, Manders. It might open your eyes.
Flea, you seem to have a troll infestation. Ever notice all the trolls spout the same kind of tripe?
:::Handing Flea a can of Troll Be Gone:::
"Our Bodies, Our Selves" rocks. I had the honor of editing a chapter in the new OBOS Menopause book. The original OBOS answered a lot of questions for me. The menopause book is also incredibly good.
I like what you said, Flea, when you called abstinence-only programs "ignorance only". Talk about getting the right imagery out there.
I, too, want to chime in with my thanks to you for the Scarleteen website. I have a 14 year old daughter (and a 9 year old son, for that matter, though he won't be curious for a few years. When he is, I'll be ready for him) And the site has been invaluable. Particularly because, as an open minded, understanding and respectful adult, I sometimes get some of her friends asking questions and advice. I live in a very conservative area, and many of the people's opinions around me would be, um, very similar to Ms.J (whose points I'm not going to address, so not to encourage the continued flame war), so it's very helpful to have resources to point them to, rather than educate them directly, when it might offend their parents (and also is probably not my place)
"I live in a very conservative area, and many of the people's opinions around me would be, um, very similar to Ms.J (whose points I'm not going to address"
You live in a "conservative" town full of radical feminist Lesbians that oppose sexual exploitation of women ????? Can I have some directions, 'cause I'd like to move there ASAP.
Yes, meaning that they would liken the sexual education of teenage girls to pornography.
Also: I read Chuck's dildo reference as a response to flea's pointing to Heather Corrina's mission statement. As in: Ms. Corrina deserves a reward for that. But, I admit, it was just because the posts were right next to one another. I could well have been reading it wrong. If I was, indeed, reading it wrong then I agree suggesting Ms. J needs a dildo to improve her mood/reason is out of line, particularly in a feminist forum.
Not that this should be seen as a general endorsement of Ms.J's stance here.
ANY man in ANY situation who says women should/should wanta dick-real or fake shoved in them is a misogynist. Plain and simple.It befuddles me as to why women think that people like this prick are somehow allies or friends to feminists or to women. Though, it amuses me how these pea-brains assume that their hate-speech against women is somehow original--as though there is any female past her teen years that doesn't already know that men view their worthless dicks as the center of the universe. Yawn.
And, why the hate-and-run, chuckie-poo? What happened, did a mean ol' lesbian standing up to your virtual chest-thumping hurt your widdle ego?
Countess, no troll infestation here, just Ms. J., who said she was leaving, but apparently not.
And scary Chuck isn't responding to you, Ms. J, because he and his boyfriend went on vacation this week. But sure, maybe he has internet access where he is and is just too terrified to make any further comment.
Sorry I haven't been here to give a shit since yesterday afternoon, but this "feminist" had to take care of her "kids," then she went to "bed" and then "work."
Your tools are blunt, MsJ. I just don't care about your insults or how badly you feel you're being abused in a forum that you entered into swinging your fists around in the first place.
I'll let you rail on about how you're the only real feminist in the room until I get bored, then I'll either report you as spam, or delete your comments and replace them with comments made by Kevin Federline in last month's issue of Vanity Fair.
Until then, have at it with anyone who feels like engaging you.
"I'll let you rail on about how you're the only real feminist in the room until I get bored, then I'll either report you as spam, or delete your comments and replace them with comments made by Kevin Federline in last month's issue of Vanity Fair."
If you choose to delete my comments,that is your choice. But be aware that if you choose to replace my comments with defamatory and/or lewd text, you will reported to the ISP and whatever legal action that is applicable will be taken against you. I have done nothing to constitute "spamming" or harassment on this website. If you don't wish dissenting opinions, then you do not have to have a public blog, public commenting, or a publically listed email address.
Furthermore, if you don't want commentary from feminists, then stop purporting yourself as one--since you clearly are not. Here's a clue for free, since I'm sure you don't make enough money peddling porn to afford your own: Cheering on women being told they should have their bodies penetrated by dildos in order to shut them up and simultaneously decrying how "like empowerful" and progressive it is to use and distribute sex toys makes you a misogynist, not a feminist. Since at the end of the day, even you (and whoever else commented likewise) acknowledge it is hate speech against women. If not, then there would be no reason to use dildos as threats against women, now would there?
I don't think that the dildo comment what a threat. What I imagine Chuck means is that they should send you a dildo, so you may use it, possibly orgasm, and relax a little.
I really wish you would stop telling us that we aren't feminists just because we don't follow your rather extremest path. I certainly believe that women should be able to live safe, healthy lives, where they are free to do as they choose.
"I could care less about men."
Is the appropriate response:
a) All evidence to the contrary?
Or
b) Yes, you could indeed care much, much, MUCH less about men than you appear to. Give it a whirl!
Note, option 'b' falls into the Grammar Smake category, but that one is my favorite. The dryness isn't for everyone, though.
And when WILL people stop conflating public-view with public-forum? I think of it like this: just because you can drive by my house and look at how tastefully I've landscaped it, you are not entitled to leave me pointers on suggested projects in my mailbox, call me with your ideas, and haul in your own holly bushes. Simple, really.
This is probably a different post entirely, but would those of you who've had good Scarleteen experiences mind giving me pointers on how and when to approach the material with my near-teen? I gave her the new OBOS (bought from flea!) and let her run with it, and I'm wondering if I should do the same with the website. Any pointers?
Manders:
"I don't think that the dildo comment what a threat. What I imagine Chuck means is that they should send you a dildo, so you may use it, possibly orgasm, and relax a little."
Maybe you're new to this (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), but telling someone that her anger is just due to lack of sex/orgasms/etc is a typical dismissive anti-feminist & mysogynist tactic. Don't use it, & don't excuse its use by others.
None of which absolves the trollishness.
Be my guest to report me to whoever you'd like to report me to, Ms.J. Take all the legal action you like.
But I do admit to a certain amount of curiosity, now that you've started throwing threats of lawsuits around, even one with as much merit as, "Your honor, she made me talk like Kevin Federline!! I have been abused!!"
How serious you are about your claims of innocence with regard to harrassing behavior?
Go away. Stay away.
That was a direct, clear statement. Think you can do it?
Posting any more comments will be construed as harassment, abusive, terrorism, and inciting violence against women. And you will be reported immediately to the police and the fire department.
Wow, that last paragraph was absurd. I can't believe you can write stuff like that over and over, and actually mean it.
Oooh, and I said way up at the top that there would be no more ridiculous exchanges. Curses! Foiled again!
Sheena, thanks very, very much for the respectful disagreement. Totally awesome.
Hi, it's flea here. Despite my direct statement for her to not post here anymore, of course she did. Because I personally hate it when I come late to the party after the offending poster has already been disemvowelled, let me recap this comment for you. MsJ is still under the impression that hurling nonstop abusive comments is Good Feminism at work, and all statements of disagreement, whether polite or ill-advised, are abusive. She then recaps things which did not happen, threatens a feminist boycott of my store, assures me she will printout the comments section as evidence that her original words have been changed, and that she's going to tell the whole wide world that I'm a "lesbophobe" who thinks rape is a-okay. She also thinks it's very important that we all know she has a GIRLFRIEND because, I assume, as a lesbophobe I will find that to be highly concerning. Oh, and she still thinks that if she keeps saying I'm afraid of disagreement rather than just getting tired of dealing with the total asshole she has repeatedly proven herself to be, she may convince herself it's true.
She then tells me she's going to spare me the trouble of making some joke that I've given no evidence to support I would make, although I think we see quite clearly that "facts" and "evidence" don't mean too much to her.
She then says (again) that she's leaving, and ends with another smiley face, lest we forget who the Good Person is here.
I hope this satisfies the curiosity of the latecomers. Now, for the much more enjoyable KFed:
In "I'm With Her!," Nancy Jo Sales' article about the greasy-looking dudes that are passed around by today's young female pop stars like trading cards, KFed attends a Kentucky Derby party, commandeers a mic from Kid Rock and screams to the women in the crowd, "I got four kids already - which one of you Kentucky girls wants to have my fifth?"
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Ms. J -
From your original letter to flea.
"it's honestly people like you who make me the most hesitant to come out as a lesbian when I'm meeting new people."
Please, do the GLBT community a favor and stick to this fear. It's people like you who give good lesbians a bad name.
Flea, it just makes no sense to me why she continues railing on here, after saying she was finished commenting. Seems to me she thinks you've pushed a button you haven't pushed. I suspect she'll be gone very soon. Her talk about filing suit against you was very amusing.
Good thing she hasn't visited my blog. She'd have a case of the vapors if she had. 
Tiffany...
*gack*
OMG I could have gone the rest of my life without remembering that one...
Good thing she hasn't visited my blog.
Is that a challenge? If so, it's not necessary. Just cut and paste the comments she's left here and put them in your own comments section. There's very little variation, so no real point in having her go to the trouble of writing something new.
NO HE DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY THAT. Ew, ew, ew. The worst part is that he was at the Derby and could easily have made the obvious "have a fifth" joke, but didn't. Because he is stupid.
Now, I don't get the objection She Who Must Not Be Named has to the overall dildo concept. Penetrative objects can be very handy if one wishes to pay a visit to one's G-spot, can't they? And men don't even have G-spots.
Flea, I shut my yap in the hopes that she'd go away. Ah, well.
And Orange, I too don't understand why the sex toys fall under the "porn" category with She Who Must Not Be Named (which is brilliant). What if it's lesbians using said toys? What if it's Gloria Steinem using said toys? What if it's *gasp* Andrea Dworkin? (I know, I know, rest her soul, but you get my drift.) Where do SWMNBN's rules end?
Oh, yeah, they don't. She makes me shiver as much as KFed's comment.
Oh yeah - I just thought of this in the shower: I know that Andrea was all anti-penetration and stuff, but of course one doesn't have to penetrate in order to reap the full benefits of a vibrator. Which brings me to this: if a radical lesbian, after her joyful, life-affirming, Oprah-appearing recovery from a lifetime of sexual abuse by men, and without any inappropriate input from any parental figures, step- or otherwise, uses a vibrator, but just on her clit, and reaches orgasm, does it make her less of a feminist? And do the trees hear her scream? I'm just trying to learn the rules.
Wow I go out of town for a week and all hell breaks loose and I miss all the fun. Dayum.
We were waiting for you to leave. We know how you hate it when people fight.
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