He made some astute observations......
Lets be honest Brian....You beat Notre Dame which is probably the only notable win in the last 3years *Outside PSU*..
Minnesota doesn't matter and you know this man..........
MSU will be coming off games against stinky NDomers and the Wolves...Believe me, if they lose both games (which is likely) they will be on a emotional drop much like that of Kurt Cobain.....
Kick the crap out of Wisconsin......Please.....
You mean the same 2002 Buckeyes that had the gift-wrapped non-existent PI call that forced the game into OT where the Buckeyes won out? I don't recall Krenzel being the player of that game... I think a certain convict won that game for the nuts. Let's also just ignore Auburn, Georgia (who's shut out the last two opponents), West Virginia w/ Slaton, and USC with it's 3 straight crazy good recruiting classes.
There is no doubt that OSU has a great team, but you base all that from the Texas game which had a first year starter at QB allowing the testicles to crowd the box against there ground game. This was after Texas beat OSU the previous year only because of Vince Young (and perhaps OSU starting Zwick). You've got to be kidding me? Let's not forget that Texas lost it's share of tough players including Ramone w/e his name and Michael Huff.
LOL! Seriously, I am. Damn, you are funny when angry.
It is indeed stupid—and duplicitous—for media types to bemoan the fact that there’s now a MNC frontrunner when they are the ones who create the frontrunner. Ohio State didn’t ruin it, unimaginative media types who are apparently following orders to hype somebody—anybody!!—have ruined it.
Let’s compare something, shall wee?
Ohio State—has engaged in some cupcakery with Northern Illinois and Cincinnati and soundly defeated then #2 Texas on the road.
Michigan—has engaged in some cupcakery with Vanderbilt and Central Michigan and soundly defeated then #2 Notre Dame on the road.
Looks pretty even-steven to me. Plus, Michigan walloped a team with its principle stars returning. Ohio State defeated a team that had lost the most fantastic college quarterback in recent years and replaced him with a redshirt freshman who’d only started one game up to that point.
Ohio State hasn’t done anything—yet—that merits them being declared head and shoulders above everyone else. Sure, they’re good, but two cupcakes and one team who may have been seriously overrated do not a GREATEST TEAM EVER make.
Which is something we Michigan fans would do well to remember.
Nice grammar, Sean!
OF COURSE this guy's a douchebag; he's a sportswriter. Have you seen one lately who wasn't?
Still, the numbers don't lie when it comes to Senator Tressel, to wit: 3-0 in BCS bowls, 4-1 vs. UM, and one (unshared) National Championship. Not a bad first five years, eh?
The douchebag's also right when he discounts Iowa and Sparty, anybody who's watched them and OSU and thinks they have a chance is fucked in the head. You guys are a different story - but, given what's happened since the advent of Tressel, who wouldn't say with confidence that we'll retain ownership? As those of us who've been around since Cooper know, it's the kind of thing that gets inside your head...
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but what makes Tressel an amazing coach on the field? I'll grant that his staff recruits well and they coach those players to play fundamentally sound football...but as an X's and O's coach, what evidence is there that he's a great coach?
I believe that Tressel is a good, possibly great, coach. But I also believe the same of Lloyd Carr and think he's more than capable of outcoaching Tressel on any given Saturday, especially now that he's cut bait with Mr. Prevent D himself, Jim J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets Herrmann.
BTW, Brian, you are so dead on with Hayes. Other than Cowherd and possibly Dennis "Destro" Dodd, he is probably the biggest tool in the college football pseudo-journalism world. And his headshot looks like it was taken while he was sitting in a wheelchair parked between Jerry Lewis and Mickey Mouse at the MDA Telethon.
It's guaranteed. OSU will lose one or two games, probably to Iowa or MSU. Michigan will roll into OSU undefeated and on the cusp of the national championship game. Then they will lose, and Lloyd Carr's transformation into John Cooper will be complete. (Hey, Coop blew out Notre Dame twice!)
Does this douche not have an editor? I am not sure but that could possibly be the worst piece of sports writing ever!! Everything you said Brian was right on. I cannot believe he wrote all that crap ahhahahahah LOL!! This season goes to show you that there should be no voting until at least October in CFB. It is all a popularity contest during the preseason and all that does is screw everything up later on in the season after the games have been played. I bet this guy had ND 1 and Ohio St. 2nd and Cal 3rd in his preseason rankings. Brian, find more of this crap and make fun of it.
Let 'em talk, let 'em talk, let 'em talk. I want the whole world counting Michigan out on November 18th. I want OSU to get the USC treatment. Ted Ginn is Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, and Marvin Harrison all rolled into one. Antonio Pittman is a more durable Eddie George. Their defense is completely reloaded. Troy Smith is Vince Young with a rocket arm (ok, I actually kind of believe that one - a little).
It is clear that our Michigan team can get to an amazing level with a chip on its shoulder. I don't want anyone to notice that we actually match up very well with tOSU. Then, if we do beat them, everyone can say they were wrong all along and OSU was just overrated so USC and West Virginia can play in the national championship game.
I agree, Andrew. Look it off, everyone. Roll with the hype.
Two years ago, Tressel thought Justin Zwick was a better QB than Troy Smith. Even at the start of last year he insisted on a QB platoon. How great can he be when needed over a year to figure out that Smith should be starting?
Tressel's big-game record is probably more indicative of having very good teams/being a good coach in general rather than some sooper sekrit amazing OMG ability to win big games. You have a good team, you are a good coach, you will win a lot of them. Same thing with beating Michigan. It is far more likely that he is doing a good job in general than he has any secret big-game strategy or is "inside" Michigan's head.
WTF is this guy talking about?
He and his pals pick Notre Dame to win the NC, then Michigan kicks hell out of ND but all of a sudden isn't good enough to take on OSU?
And what's with this "Blue Boy" shit? Is the intended audience for this publication supposed to be adults? Because I find that hard to believe.
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Wow; Matt Hayes just got completely obliterated. What a pointless article. It shocks me that clowns like Matt Hayes actually get paid to write sneering garbage based on conjecture and "cold hard facts!" style simplistic reaction. "Whatever team was sucessful 20 minutes ago will continue to be successful for perpetuity, egghead!" Of course, Sean Salsbury gets paid to do the same thing, only without the writing requirement, so I guess I have no point either. Ohter than to thank you for making me laugh out loud, I guess...
Oh, and Hat's completely correct; OSU essentially lost to Texas because of Justin Zwick's ill-timed interception. Why was the vested Lombardi unable to see that Justin Zwick gave him less of a chance against Texas than the annointed one? Gosh, people don't talk about that much...
I think you should rename this post.
Something like this:
"MATT HAYES IS A FUCKING DIFFERENTLY-ABLED PERSON!!!"
That won't offend anyone accept the intended, right?
Err- "except".
I, too, am differently-abled.
Why don't we just give ohio state the NC this year scrap the rest the season no sense in playing it out at all.
and while were at it lets make two heismans this year one for smith and one for teddy "ballgame"
Go (to hell) bucks and buster sports writers
justin forcier will be michigan's next jim harbaugh (i hope)
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Better be careful, Brian. What happens if Mr. Hayes catches wind of your blog and sets his equine stare at you. He didn't think twice about whipping out his totally awesome "The View" reference for Ohio State. There's no telling where this guy will go when his heart is really in it.
i believe u mean Jason Forcier, Jim
Another thing; I can understand why everyone pummels Iowa's offense for the Syracuse ame, but why doesn't anyone credit their defense? Syracuse had EIGHT chances to score from inside the five, and Iowa stopped them every single time. That takes some serious fortitude...
The crucial thing about this article, which hasn't been noted incisively yet, is that it can be written -- probably in less than 10 minutes -- without actually knowing a football fact that can't be gleaned from the OSU roster and statistics....which are no doubt found in their media guide.
Sportswriting is one of the last great bastions of professional lazy no-nothingness. Hopefully bloggers, message boards, and other internet sites that actually deserve the name "content provider" will soon make this breed extinct.
I prefer to have Ohio State blown up in the media to be something unwordly. Like USC last year. Let the media make them into a juggernaut that cannot be defeated.
It will mean that much more when michigan beats them.
As for Hayes, let it go. Horseface is a little beneath you. I think you're a lot more creative than that.
There is very little that's actually beneath me, as we're learning.
This is only mildly amusing, but the link today for the MSNBC.com gossip section (entitled The Scoop) reads as follows:
Scoop: Jackson to open leprechaun theme park?
As Michigan grad living Columbus, I can assure you that the only topic on Columbus talk radio and in Columbus newspapers these days is "who Ohio State is going to play in the national championship game." The level of Buckeye arrogance is at an all-time high, and apparently, they've decided that wins in the nine remaining games in the season is a done deal. Good for them - the higher they are, the harder they fall.
As for Carr and Tressel, Carr was once 5-1 against tOSU and 4-2 in bowl games, including two BCS bowl game victories. Things can change quickly (Thanks, Drew Henson). And didn't Carr outcoach Tressel in 2003 when Tressel had an NFL record 14 draft picks on the roster?
Carr also had a shared national championship to his credit in that time span. Yes, it was shared because the current BCS system was not yet in place, Nebraska knew how to illegally kick the ball for a touchdown, and the coaches felt the need to give Tom Osborne a retirement party hummer.
It always amazes me that tOSU fans can't seem to recognize that their Buckeyes got a break by playing a "primed for an upset" Miami team in 2002 in the national championship game. Had the 1997 system still been in place in 2002, tOSU would have been sent to play Carson Palmer and USC in the Rose Bowl. After watching USC wax Iowa that year in the Orange Bowl (anybody remember what Iowa did to UM that year in the Big House? I'd rather forget.), does anybody question that USC (clearly the best team in the country at that point) would have done the same thing to tOSU with homefield advantage at the Rose Bowl? I don't think so (anybody remember the Buckeyes' spectacular road victories over Cincinnati, Purdue, Wisconsin, and Illinois that year?).
And that doesn't even cover the convict who spurred on the Buckeye victory, or the phantom pass interference call.
Go Blue!
Yeah, the "Blue Boy" reference shows how often Hayes watches Michigan games. Last I remember from both the Vandy and the ND games, more and more people are wearing Maize.
Fucking window licker.
Was "psychophant" instead of "sycophant" intentionally?
If so, I like it.
Yes. In retrospect i think that's not very clear.
Brian,
you missed this little gem from his 9/4/06 Blog (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/
viewtopic.php?t=124444):
"2. Georgia Tech will be the best defense Notre Dame faces until the season finale against USC. Criticize the ND defense all you want -- and I will -- but give coach Charlie Weis credit for adjusting his offense (short throws to the tight end, bubble screens, power running) to find a way out of that trap game."
Uhm, Cliff:
And didn't Carr outcoach Tressel in 2003 when Tressel had an NFL record 14 draft picks on the roster?Tressel had just lost a record 14 draft picks. They were all on the 2002 NC team.
Otherwise, that was fun to read. I love me a good blog-lashing!
That's some good work, Phoennix10, that's some good work.
It's like Hayes is a sportswriter out of 1984. You can just imagine him ordering some underling to feed all of his hype about ND down the memory hole.
"As Michigan grad living Columbus, I can assure you that the only topic on Columbus talk radio and in Columbus newspapers these days is 'who Ohio State is going to play in the national championship game.' The level of Buckeye arrogance is at an all-time high, and apparently, they've decided that wins in the nine remaining games in the season is a done deal. Good for them - the higher they are, the harder they fall."
As a Columbus resident myself - and a doggedly pessimistic OSU grad at that - I haven't noticed this "arrogance" at all. Anyone with half a brain is terrified of the road games at Iowa and Drew Sta... er, Michigan State, as well as, obviously, The Game.
"It always amazes me that tOSU fans can't seem to recognize that their Buckeyes got a break by playing a 'primed for an upset' Miami team in 2002 in the national championship game. Had the 1997 system still been in place in 2002, tOSU would have been sent to play Carson Palmer and USC in the Rose Bowl. After watching USC wax Iowa that year in the Orange Bowl (anybody remember what Iowa did to UM that year in the Big House? I'd rather forget.), does anybody question that USC (clearly the best team in the country at that point) would have done the same thing to tOSU with homefield advantage at the Rose Bowl? I don't think so (anybody remember the Buckeyes' spectacular road victories over Cincinnati, Purdue, Wisconsin, and Illinois that year?)."
In everyone's race to pretend that 2002 never happened, you all forget about how ridiculously awesome that defense was. NOONE was blowing out OSU that year, because noone could score much on us. To wit: every single starter from that defense is on an NFL roster right now save one (WLB Cie Grant, who was injured for three games that season and ably replaced by a true freshman named A.J. Hawk).
And as for that "phantom call" that "gave" us the game -- I'll just draw your attention to this play, a 3rd-and-six pass to Chris Gamble late in the fourth, which was blown by the officials on severeal levels: a.) Gamble is held - TWICE - by the Miami DB while in his route, and b.) Gamble actually catches the ball! Instead, it was ruled incomplete with no penalty, OSU was forced to punt, and Miami returned the punt into OSU territory and kicked the game-tying FG as time expired. If either the defensive holding or the catch are correctly called, OSU gets a first down, runs out the clock, and the game never even gets to OT. Hate to spoil the fun.
http://www.michaelseufer.com/
gam...pc_version.html
"'And didn't Carr outcoach Tressel in 2003 when Tressel had an NFL record 14 draft picks on the roster?'
Tressel had just lost a record 14 draft picks. They were all on the 2002 NC team."
That's actually not correct, Tony. The record-setting 14 draft choices were all off of the 2003 team. They were all huge contributors to the 2002 team, but they played the 2003 season, too.
as a michigan native and michigan fan living in ohio i can certainly say that the osu hype and arrogance are at an all time high and the teddy ginn hype and troy smith hype has never been bigger
I think the largest oversight is this guy's lack of appreciation for history. Being the BEST rivalry in all of sport, the underdog has won this game a ton of time. Even if Michigan loses every game until that last game in November, I still wouldn't count us out.
I guess when you're a sportswriter for awhile, you just abandon your filter... you're wrong so often, that people forget; you only live for those days when one of your baseless, trumped up claims turns out to be right.
Who is the NOONE? lol
Why doesn't anyone mention the fact that OSU probably loses to Miami if Willis McGahee doesn't blow out his knee in the 3rd quarter?
I wanted OSU to win that game, but it's pretty obvious they were lucky to win it.
Jack - you are correct. I was too quick to dismiss that comment. My bad.
Nevertheless, they did lose a lot of huge contributors to the defense: Mike Doss, Mike Wilhelm, Kenny Peterson and others.
I stand corrected. Apologies to Cliff.
Maize&Smeef: "Does this douchebag have an editor ..."
Sadly, this douchebag *IS* the Editor-in-Chief, College Football.
The Sporting News, the weekly baseball reference of my youth, destination of so much of my paper route money, is now the sports equivalent of The Weekly World News.
Refresh my memory.....how exactly did McGahee injure himself? My recollection is that one of our DBs broke his leg....gosh that was really lucky for us, huh. That's what you get for runnin scared.
Buddha,
are you the same "Buddha" from S'Keepers ?
"Why doesn't anyone mention the fact that OSU probably loses to Miami if Willis McGahee doesn't blow out his knee in the 3rd quarter?"
Huh? Right, because he was just killing us with his 3.4 ypc through three quarters...
WDFN in Detroit is the only sports radio station that doesn't really have ass clowns. This is probably because they have the most on air experience and a true sense of what is original, topics that aren't lame, don't overhype, nor cheerlead.
I live in Ohio and WKNR in Cleveland does nothing but cheerlead and overhype and has callers that tell really old and unoriginal Pollack jokes and insert the word Michigan in them and think they're hillarious. They all but declared the Indians were going to the World Series prior to the season.
Thankfully I can still get WDFN in.
Now, was Ken Dorsey really all that much greater than Craig Krenzel? I am not sure why Dorsey is the no. 2 QB on the Browns or anywhere in the NFL right now. Krenzel was mobile and made many big plays with his feet, it wasn't just the convict that year that helped them win it all.
Krenzel won a few games for the Bears in 2004. Dorsey won maybe a few games with the 49ers neither is or was great.
Plus, OSU has always had on paper as much talent as anyone. Cooper year after year had no.1 rated recruiting classes. They should have as many National Championships as anyone since 1988, not just one. They should have won it all in 1996-97 and 1998-99 also.
The guy who said Texas lost alot of people, just Huff and Young was it. UM and OSU will both be undefeatd I think OSU will win.
Texas fans learned repeatedly last year that Matt Hayes no understanding of football compounded by the fact that he didn't actually watch any to write his articles. Welcome to our misery.
Matt Hayes is truly an ass-clown. What kind of an idiot professes an underwhelming Ohio State team that ISN'T EVEN AS GOOD AS THEY WERE LAST YEAR as the undeniable favorite for the National Champion? Has he watched any other games other than Ohio State/Texas? I wish this was new news, but sadly such is the state of college football journalism.
btw, Brian, you would really help out your own credibility if you'd drop the Iowa fixation. How do I put this politely...they sucks ass.
Brian can't drop the Iowa fixation because Brian knows that the only descent shot at winning the Big 10 and getting into a national championship game is for OSU to lose......
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I wanted OSU to win that game, but it's pretty obvious they were lucky to win it.
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Yes very lucky indeed to beat a team loaded with 13 draft picks....Question Miami was considered the greatest team ever in 2002 yet all you guys try be dismissive of the upset....Why???? I never hear or read about anybody being dismissive of the team that beat the mighty Wazzu Paloose in the Rose Bowl nor no mention that OSU won their championship on the field and not on paper..
I don't fell arrogant at all. I couldn't eat for 2 days before the Texas game because I was sure tOSU would blow it. I'm sure I won't eat for the whole week leading up to UM.
I'm lame. (sp) I don't feel arrogant.
You [juvenile name for Michigan employed only by the mentally challenged, the homeless, and OSU fans] are so cute when you're angry.
We can at least agree that Hayes is useless, tongue-bathing columns are useless, and "turn off the lights, the season's over" articles are REALLY useless (and you should be happy he wrote it! That should be worth a few jinx points. Should OSU lose this year, is it barely possible one of you guys will trot out this article again and have a good guffaw over it?).
But the point I keep seeing, "Wull, he probably would've been writing this about a different team if reality had turned out differently!" or phantom hypocrisy, is called a straw- something or other. Debate coaches frown on it. It'd be like me saying Brian would not have written this post if the BJ had been directed to another team, particularly [juvenile name for Michigan employed only by the mentally challenged, the homeless, and OSU fans], and there's no WAY that's the case.
Secondly, speaking of foregone conclusions, I suppose given the fandom of this site it can be forgiven, but the consensus around here is seems to be that winning at ND is almost certainly a better road win than OSU over Texas, because ND had more important starters returning. Um, did anyone notice how ND finished last year? Forget the Fiesta Bowl, they barely squeaked one out against Stanford. Stanford! Just how much stock are you going to put into that win over Penn State? I don't know if you've noticed, but PSU's historically been kinda bad the year after losing a ton of contributors.
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I don't take anything away from the 2002 National Championship Buckeyes - they truly did have a great defense and deserved to win the national title because they went 14-0, and took out the defending champs. True - they got a LOT of breaks along the way but the fact is, they ran the table and nobody else did. Their outright title is well-merited and deserved, even if Mo Clarrett was the heart and soul of that team.
But my point is - tOSU fans always love to bring up Michigan's "shared" national title in '97 like it is tainted. Michigan had no say in this - they had to go to the Rose Bowl and play Washington St. while Scott Frost begged, pleaded, and cried in the Orange Bowl. That was the system at that time - you can't blame Michigan for this. In the words of 1997 team co-captain Eric Mayes, 3 of the 4 national championship trophies ended up in Ann Arbor so you do the math.
And...if that same system would have been in place in 2002, tOSU would have been sent to the Rose Bowl to play a red-hot USC team. Sorry but I'd rather play a ripe-for-an upset with no fan support Miami team in Tempe than a red-hot USC team with the Heisman Trophy winner in their own backyard.
By the way, I flipped on the local Columbus 11 PM news last night, and they had the results from a recent internet poll on how tOSU would do the rest of the season. 70% said it would be smooth and easy sailing to the NC game. But really, Buckeye fans aren't arrogant these days...
Kevin: deploying "scUM" on a Michigan blog is a good idea how? You seem sane so I left your comment, but in the future please leave the OMG-LOL-so-clever insults out.
Hey Cliffy? Stop talking out of your ass...I'd like to know what "Columbus papers" you're talking about; Columbus is a one-newspaper town, and I defy you to find even one article in The Dispatch whose topic can be described as "who Ohio State is going to play in the National Championship game". I read it every day and haven't seen such an article even one time (talk radio - don't listen, but isn't it their job to be douchebags?)
Also: when we call your title shared, it's just a dig we use (or at least I do) because it gets you so adorably riled up and pissy.
Finally: some commenters above ask where Senator Tressel get his rep as a great big-game/game-day coach; I'd point you to BGS' breakdown of the Fiesta Bowl last year and EDSBS' posts (of which there are several) that call attention to his game-planning and play-calling OMG AWSUMNESS. His FOUR I-AA championships were won with four different quarterbacks (meaning he didn't just ride one superior athlete to several titles), and he's doing all right so far in THE GAME (even in 2001, with Steve "Bonehead" Bellisari at QB), wouldn't you say? It also bears mentioning that his ice-cold sideline demeanor translates to his team, even in very tight games.
"Kevin: deploying "scUM" on a Michigan blog is a good idea how? You seem sane so I left your comment, but in the future please leave the OMG-LOL-so-clever insults out."
Not really clever, but second nature to me now, just like dOhSU or Suckeyes or whatever else is to some people. And really I think a pretty mild derogatory pun to engender this kind of reaction, but to answer your question, I thought it was a good idea for personal consistency's sake. I'm not one to kiss ass on the inside and spit nails on the outside. Good win today.
matsut...
Papers - The Lantern, Buckeye Sports Bulletin, and The Dispatch (maybe you should read beyond the cartoons. Oh, that's right, you're a Buckeye fan. Anything beyond that is too complex for you.)
Radio - 1460
TV - The poll I mentioned was on 10TV
Go Blue!
Hi,
Texas Longhorn here. Really enjoy the blog.
For the record we lost more than Vince Young. We lost two starting DTs, a stellar CB now with the Vikings, a stellar safey now with the Raiders, a star RB/KR in Ramonce Taylor, a starting MLB, a starting senior WR, a truly great college TE now with the Patriots, and two starting Olinemen now in the pros. All those guys made major contributions to beating OSU last year and to beating UM the year before. Add to that the DB who got suspended (who is really good).
The freshman QB wasn’t the reason we lost to OSU. He played well enough. The rest of the team let him down. We had no pressure on Smith. He just stood back there and did whatever he wanted. Their Oline is really good. We only had one guy in the secondary who was there last year. Ooops. Too many excuses. We got outplayed. Simple. OSU was better. I don't know about an easy ride to the NC, though. Beating UT this year might not be such huge deal. We shall see. I think UT is already better then we showed in that game.
I hope UM beats OSU. I have always liked the Wolverines. But to tell you the truth I think both you guys are pretty damn good and always are. To me, beating UM and then OSU and then USC was the real measure of the great team we had last year. No team should ever get an easy road to national championship.
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