okay I understand that Kansas has not played anybody of significance, but how can you rank them 9th? They are an undefeated team in a major conference and I think are unfairly being put down because their name is "Kansas" and not "Oklahoma". If Oklahoma or Ohio State or anyone with a name were undefeated with the same schedule they would be ranked top 3 no doubt about it. Kansas has taken care of every team that has been in front of them and that is all they can do. They destroyed a somewhat weak Nebraska team but really put the beatdown nevertheless. They won at Kansas State, at Colorado (WHO BEAT OKLAHOMA!), and at Oklahoma State. They do not deserve to be penalized for beating every team on their schedule. They did not have any control over the Big 12 not matching them up with Oklahoma, Texas, or Texas Tech.
When all is said and done, if they beat Missouri and then Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship they deserve to be in the national title game because an undefeated team from a major conference should not be turned away. Give them some respect.
I'm still not sure Illinois should be ranked above Michigan. Yes, they beat tOSU, but of COURSE they beat tOSU. Look who their coach is. The Zooker is nothing if not consistent - he will not win the big games he is supposed to win (Michigan), but he is good for at least one mind-numbingly awesome upset a year. His last opportunity for such an upset was against tOSU - anyone who's ever read EDSBS knows that Zook was going to win that game, but that doesn't mean Illinois is that good of a team.
Yes, it is true Kansas has no control over not playing OU and TX. Howevah, they have plenty of control over their non-conference schedule. You don't have to play the Wyoming College of the Mentallly Challenged, East Central Iowa, and Appalach...well, you get the idea. Point being, if the BCS is designed to match up the two best teams, then why do we "have" to put KU in? If they beat Mizzou, and OU in the title game, then they have a legitimate argument I think. Until then, they have done approx. nothing to be in the discussion. Can you say with any confidence Kansas is as good or better than LSU or Oregon?
They are an undefeated team in a major conference and I think are unfairly being put down because their name is "Kansas"...
a B12 schedule minus OU & UT is NOT a MAJOR conference schedule. especially when you consider that the B12N blows (neb & colorado?) and their OOC schedule is worse than Wisc and Minn. how much stock would anyone here put into Wisc/Indiana/NW if they ran thru their sad schedules and didn't have M, OSU in the B10? KU is not being ranked low b/c of their name. they are being ranked low b/c they haven't beaten anyone of significance after having been unranked at the beginning of the season. had osu, OU been unranked and played that schedule, they would be exactly where KU is now.
KU == Hawai'i ++
if KU beats Mizzou and wins the B12 title game vs OU (or whomever) they will then move up. untill then, save the water works for march, KU fans.
The problem is if they do win out, they do have a fairly legitimate schedule. Look at the ACC and the BigEast (for that matter most Big10 schools), especially the ACC. Their conference schedules are as ugly as playing in the Big12 north. You play a bunch of cupcakes, and then maybe one good/decent team (ie VT). If they beat Mizzu and OU back to back, they already have better wins than ASU, OSU, UWV. They would beat OU and Mizzu to move ahead of them. Either LSU or Georgia will have to lose. They will drop behind KU. So your left with the current top 2 teams on Brian's ballot.
I think the bigger question is does Oregon's team hold up against that? Does LSU/Georgia winning out hold up against that?
LSU would have wins over 4 teams currently in this ballot. (one loss to a team not on the ballot)
Georgia would have 4 as well, but 2 losses (one of which to a team in this ballot).
Oregon, they have a victory over 3 teams on this ballot (and a loss to an unranked team from this ballot).
KU will have beaten 2, but 2 that have averaged much higher rankings all season long.
Half as many wins but to teams twice as good? Or stronger victories?
Adam, we always get this "Why punish the team for the weakness of its opponents?" argument from people supporting teams with crap schedules. What none of them has been able to explain to me is why we should punish Oregon or LSU or a number of other one- or two-loss teams for Kansas' schedule.
In short, we have a team with a crap schedule. Someone has to be "punished" for it (by being excluded from the title game). Everything else being equal, I'm punishing the team with the crap schedule, not the one that didn't have the benefit of playing it.
It's not their fault the Big 12 is so bad? Too bad for them. Again, they shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt when there are excellent teams with excellent resumes in the conversation.
Plus, common sense. We all know damn well that Kansas would get its shit kicked in if it played anyone in the top 20.
You moved FRAUD BC from #11 up to #10?
Now I've seen everything...
OK, Kansas' schedule is crap, but it's not like they're 'just' winning; they're beating the crap out of their mediocre schedule. Dropping more than 70 on ANYONE is impressive, even if the fightin' Callahans weren't putting up much of a fight. Not only has Kansas not lost, they haven't even been challenged yet.
Still, Oregon and LSU are both clearly better, and should meet in the NCG if they both win out.
Where Kansas is rated right now is irrelevant to me. They play Missouri and Oklahoma in the next 3 weeks. If they win both of those games, they have prove that they were as good as they've looked in pounding the crap out of subpar competition. If they lose either of those games, they're nowhere close to as deserving as the team that beats them, not to mention LSU, Oregon, etc. So who cares where they go?
Kansas gets to prove their way into or out of the BCS picture. Saves pollsters a lead of hand wringing and headache.
KU was challenged by
0/06/07 at Kansas State W, 30-24
10/20/07 at Colorado W, 19-14
10/27/07 at Texas A&M W, 19-11
a 15pt win over PokieST could have been challenging, i didn't see the game.
that Colorado team beat Oklahoma... I'm not saying Kansas should be ranked ahead of Oregon and LSU right now. I want to see an Oregon-LSU national championship more than anything. All I am disputing is the BlogPoll that has Kansas ranked #9. #9 is a travesty and a slap in the face. There is no way you cannot rank them at least in the top 5. That is all I am saying. And if they win out, they should be in the title game with wins @ Missouri and vs. Oklahoma on a neutral field.
I am not even a Kansas fan. I do not like Kansas. But I think it is unjust to rank them #9 when they haven't lost .
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