First
(I suck)
I actually agree with that diatribe from ND. I do hate Jesus. Fuck him in his fucking ass.
that washington game was one of the best wins in recent memory.
While I agree with you that the ND fan's quote is absurd (Jacobson allegedly saying "F*ck Jesus" obviously has nothing to do with her Michigan affiliation) - I don't think that you can use a single quote from one deranged message board poster to represent an entire fanbase. I think that most ND fans are upset because many of us are Catholic, and it's disturbing to see this get almost no media attention. Maybe it doesn't even merit media attention, but can you imagine the fiasco that would have ensued if she had yelled "f*ck black people"? Hell, the Imus thing was the biggest story in the nation for weeks, and what he said wasn't even as inflammatory. It just seems like anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable form of bigotry.
In any case, the last line of that crazy post you quoted is actually dead accurate...
"Anyone who has seen how Notre Dame people are treated when we play there knows that what Jacobson said is not something small or isolated."
Michigan is a hostile, unfriendly, and even unsafe environment for a Notre Dame fan. I don't know if you treat everyone that way, but it's a horrifying experience. After seeing a bunch of Michigan students hurl disgusting obsceneties at children wearing ND gear, being attacked by a frat boy myself, seeing ND cars getting rocked back and forth by angry Michigan fans, having trash thrown at me from the parking lot to the stadium, and so forth, I can certainly vouch for that comment.
Irish fan-
You will accept our trash.
This post is further proof that Brian does not sleep.
There are 2 reasons the Jacobson thing isn't getting more play.
1. There is no tape of it to play on talk radio. This also means no one is quite sure what she said.
2. For something with no tape of it is getting plenty of coverage.
Could we please stop with the anti-catholic accusations? That is so last generation. It's not like catholicism has anything to do with the football team. I don't like ND because they are ND.
I have no idea who these people are that get attacked by frat boys or who is actually verbally assaulting little children (or nice old ladies) at football games. The idea that Ann Arbor is someone dangerous to Notre Dame fans is hilarious to me. I wore a "Cleveland still sucks" shirt to a Browns home game (against the Steelers) and sure people yelled at me but no one ever made me feel in danger. I've also been to a Michigan game in the 'shoe. If you use common sense it is unlikely anything worse than being yelled at will happen. One should expect to be yelled at in any case.
People realize agents -- as a rule -- are jerks right?
No one gives a damn if people at Notre Dame are Catholic. They could be Mormon, Hindu, or Satanists for all we care. You still suck. It has nothing to do with the religious affiliation.
When we say Fuck Ohio State, Fuck Hang On Sloopy, is that a "clear anti-retard bias"?
So Catholics have exclusive rights to Jebus then?
Interesting...
part of the reason i don't like ND is that every catholic 'soul-saver' is a defacto ND fan b/c jebus wrote it in his bible.
or something....
the thing i don't get is, what if she said F Santa claus of F the easter bunny or F the tooth fairy? would christians or dentists be up in arms? as a son of a protestant dentist, i lean toward 'no.'
Part of the hoopla over Dana Jacobsen is that she's a woman. Then again we're discussing a sexist institution like the Catholic Church where the only women held to reverence are virgins.
How often does a Michigan alumna get to combine her love of Wolverine football with all the critical theory she learned in LS&A? Booyah!
BRCE: You have either further botched Jacobsen's lame joke or you are bigoted beyond comprehension. Either way, "You stay classy."
For all ND fans: ND or ND fans DNE Jesus or Catholicism. I know quite a few Catholics who don't regard ND as Catholic enough.
"part of the reason i don't like ND is that every catholic 'soul-saver' is a defacto ND fan b/c jebus wrote it in his bible."
Nice.
I could say that your comment proves the ND quote in Brian's post right, and that UM fans really are anti-Catholic, but unlike Brian, I won't use the inflammatory bigotry spewed by one internet wacko to characterize Michigan's entire fanbase.
How many here are very glad they didn't go to a school where you aren't allowed to say 'fuck jesus'?
Fuck notre dame and their fans..they can all kiss my maize and blue ass. c'mon back up fuckers...........
"I think that most ND fans are upset because many of us are Catholic, and it's disturbing to see this get almost no media attention."
So you want the media to coddle you because someone used her free speech right to allegedly say something nasty about your religion?
Be like The Religion of Peace (cough) and riot and kill some people...that'll show us you mean business. I think Pope Benedict was in the Hitlerjungen so he might have some good tactics to suggest too.
"I actually agree with that diatribe from ND. I do hate Jesus. F*ck him in his f*cking ass."
"You will accept our trash."
"part of the reason i don't like ND is that every catholic 'soul-saver' is a defacto ND fan b/c jebus wrote it in his bible."
"Then again we're discussing a sexist institution like the Catholic Church where the only women held to reverence are virgins."
Wow. Not counting my responses or the guy who chimed in to say "First!", a full 40% of the posts on this UM comments page have been, shall we say, unsavory. Way to represent your fanbase guys.
I think that most ND fans are upset because many of us are Catholic, and it's disturbing to see this get almost no media attention. Maybe it doesn't even merit media attention, but can you imagine the fiasco that would have ensued if she had yelled "f*ck black people"? Hell, the Imus thing was the biggest story in the nation for weeks, and what he said wasn't even as inflammatory. It just seems like anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable form of bigotry.
I love it when Catholics get their persecution complex on. Yes, Irish Fan, you're just as oppressed and victimized as blacks. Classy of you to point that out.
Now, kindly f--k off, you...you...you...Jesus lover!
Didn't Chad Henne just say something yesterday or two days ago that were, to put it charitably, 'meh' on the spread offense...again? Or something like that? Somebody mentioned it in a previous thread, but I forgot to check out the link. Anyone?
This the ugliest board I've seen in some time.
I'm out.
it was a joke, dude. we all know that Santa claus wrote the bible to celebrate his own dec 25th B-day.
and by the way, it *was* a roast for gosh sakes. her primary fault was her lack of comedic instinct. perhaps it is mine as well.
Poor oppressed ND fan. Tell Jabba the Weiss he needs to beat Navy this year or they are going to crucify that fat fuck.
Anytime anybody says "fuck Jesus" to a crowd full of media types and athletes, many of whom are sure to be Catholics, they can't blubber about whatever crap comes their way. Jacobsen has the right to say whatever she wants, but that doesn't mean that she is guaranteed that nobody will get pissed, including her employer.
Making an equivalence between Jesus and the Tooth Fairy or Santy Claus does not reflect the relative importance of those things to American adults.
And before you assume I'm a Baptist Bible thumper, I say all this as an atheist son of an atheist Unitarian minister. I've got a strong dislike for organized religion of any sort, but that doesn't mean that I can expect to belittle someone else's religious beliefs without consequence, any more than I could tell a stranger at UM Stadium that their mother is a sodomite crack whore who just did the UM cheerleading squad, and expect no negative repercussions. You want free speech, then deal with it in all its ramifications.
Other extreme.. apparently Charlie went to the roast and instead of "roasting", he gave a long sermon praising Mike and Mike.
He's too much of a genius for his own good.
This is Irish Fan
http://www.everydayshouldbesatur...e-dame-student/
Good point Don. Question is whether she indeed said F.. J.. ? That's not proven. NDNation is going insane based on an assumption.
Any links that asserts she said that?
F.. Notre Dame is cool in my book.
Let me ask a serious question: is it "bigotry" to mock someone else's choices in life (e.g. religion)? Or is it bigotry to oppress someone because of their, say, skin color, gender, or sexuality?
See, I'm wondering if Irish Fan sees the difference between mocking Mormonism (or Catholicism), and telling blacks, women, and gays that they shouldn't be paid equally for equal work, or should be denied certain career paths.
Both are offensive, but only one type of behavior can be called bigotry, IMO. But I sense that Irish Fan (and many ND fans) don't see the difference.
Jabba the Weiss needs a little bird like sidekick to make noises at people that he disagrees with. He could feed it his leftovers...oh wait...
4-8 if you are lucky
This is one of the worst comment strings I've seen on this or any other blog.
If these comments are representative of U of M fans/alumni, then I'm ashamed for my school.
I don't like ND, but this goes WAY beyond the line.
Don
I've got a strong dislike for organized religion of any sort, but that doesn't mean that I can expect to belittle someone else's religious beliefs without consequence...You want free speech, then deal with it in all its ramifications.
Before too many flames come my way, let me just say that if Jacobson said what is alleged, then that is offensive and she should just deal with whatever disciplinary action comes her way. Whatever she gets, it's deserved.
But the point of my previous comments was to draw the line between things that are offensive and things that are bigoted. Too many Catholics (and other Christians) equate the two, and Catholic League President Bill Donohue (who has been banging the Jacobson drum) is a guy that personally profits on that false equivalence. I reject that false equivalence and will mercilessly mock that until the day I die (and, presumably, get sent to Hell to burn for all eternity yada yada yada).
David Drake, what "line" has been crossed on this thread?
cfaller, it was my fault..... i should never have have brought the tooth fairy into this discussion.
Damn you, DanK! You ruin everything!
I'm going through my list of reasons why I hate ND.....
A lot of them have to do with their fans, and not one of them is because they are Catholic. I also believe my list is probably like many others (College football fans, in general. Not just Michigan fans)
Love the audio up at edsbs.
For instance, is it bigotry to fire a black head coach after only 3 years of his contract, but then retain the fatassed white coach who did worse than the black guy after 3 years?
I'm just wondering, ND Fans...why does the black man only get 3 years at your school, but a white man who does even worse get 5+ years? Is that bigotry?
Hating ND != Hating Catholicism.
ND returning to prominence doesn't mean college football is becoming better. In fact, no one cares about "returning to glory" other than ND fans.
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Speaking of EDSBS, did everyone see the video of the drunk girl noseramming a bathroom stall door? Holy crap, that was funny. I hope she's ok, 'cuz that looked like a bad one...
Can we talk about whether or not Phil Brabbs is indeed a Michigan cult hero as Nessler surmised at the end of that game?
Phil Brabbs will only be a cult hero if he embraces the Sex Mustache lifestyle.
FUCK MICHIGAN
When we say Fuck Ohio State, Fuck Hang On Sloopy, is that a "clear anti-retard bias"?
I nominate this for the best comment ever on the mgoblog threads.
The notion that hating Notre Dame is in any way equivalent to hating Catholicism is almost incomprehensibly stupid. But it's certainly consistent with the attitude of Notre Dame fans and their bewildering sense of self-importance.
Also, sex mustache.
The definition of a "bigot" is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, beliefs, or identities different from his or her own. Other definitions of bigotry include intolerance toward those of different creeds, races, or religious affiliations. So, the term "bigotry" definitely applies to religious beliefs.
Someone take the vodka away from Dana...
Other definitions of bigotry include intolerance toward those of different creeds, races, or religious affiliations. So, the term "bigotry" definitely applies to religious beliefs.
I have no problem with this. But the notion that Jacobsen's first two statements, "fuck Notre Dame" and "fuck Touchdown Jesus" are in any way bigoted is ridiculous. The only thing they are is anti-Notre Dame. Which is awesome.
If she actually said "fuck Jesus," that is a far different story, and wholly inappropriate.
There was some confusion about whether or not the term "bigotry" applies to religious beliefs. I was just pointing out that it did. And I agree that comments directed toward Notre Dame (as a football school) are not the same as comments directed toward Jesus.
But Bill, bigotry towards religion only applies if one is trying to discriminate or suppress based on religion. Saying "f--k Jesus" is not an example of religious bigotry...it's just an example of offensive language (by someone who probably got a little too drunk).
Too often people get melodramatic about "bigotry," and in so doing demean what is real bigotry. That's why ND fans need to totally suck it when they try and claim that Jacobson's (alleged) comments are an example of religious bigotry. It's nothing of the sort, and considering their treatment of Ty Willingham, I think there's some rich irony in ND claiming to be a "victim" of "bigotry."
Also, ND fans: suck my salty sweaty sexmustachy balls, you delusional bastards!
FUCK Notre Lame and that piece of shit Leprechaun...
And enough of Touchdown Heyzeus already...
i really wanted someone to accuse me of being an anti-dentite for my remarks about the tooth fairy.
DanK - Classic! Anti-Dentite lol...
I'm not saying that Jacobson's comments are bigoted. That's not what I meant to imply. I'm just disagreeing with blanket statements that bigotry doesn't apply to religious beliefs. There is very real bigotry against Jews, Catholics, and other religious sects.
And I don't think ND was bigoted in firing Willingham. They thought they were getting Urban Meyer and made a move for him. It backfired on them, but that doesn't mean they should now fire every coach after 3 years. There is real bigotry out there, but neither example (Jacobson or Willingham) qualifies in my book.
How often does a Michigan alumna get to combine her love of Wolverine football with all the critical theory she learned in LS&A?
Further proof that the only place where the murderous philosophy of Marxism is taken seriously anymore is in the English departments of American universities.
There is very real bigotry against Jews, Catholics, and other religious sects.
But I read further up that one can't choose one's race, but one can choose one's religion. So therefore vicious comments about one's race are bigoted, but vicious comments about one's religion aren't, because one can switch religions and escape the vicious comments. If those Papists had just converted to Unitarianism then they wouldn't have been insulted, so it's the Papists' fault for not converting.
Do I even need to insert a sarcasm tag?
Bill, no one said bigotry doesn't apply to religion. If you look at my comments closely, you'll see that I distinguished between mocking someone's religion, and oppressing someone based on their race, gender, or sexuality.
It's pretty clear that ND fans see Jacobson's comments as some sort of example of anti-Catholic bigotry. But even if you concede that Jacobson did say "f--k Jesus" (and for simplicity's sake I do), even that does NOT constitute religious bigotry. It just constitutes offensive speech. There's a difference.
@Bill
Regarding Willingham- as long as a white man (Weiss) is NOT fired for doing the same or worse job that a black man got fired for, the burden is on Notre Dame to prove that bigotry was NOT involved. I remember a bunch of influential alums wrote some sort of "letter of concern" to the head of ND in the middle of Willingham's third season. The fans were up in arms, complaining about the blowouts and the inability to beat ranked opponents, etc.
Was there any similar sort of "letter of concern" written this time, any sort of Fire Charlie Weiss movement on campus...even as the white man was in the process of having one of the worst seasons ever, still getting blown out by everyone, still not able to beat ranked opponents, and to top it off, losing to freakin' Navy?
No, and that's the point. It's not just that they fired the black man, Bill. It's that all the hullabaloo that was dogging Willingham during his last year just plain doesn't exist now that a white man is in charge. And it's up to Notre Dame and its fanbase to explain why that is so. It's up to them to explain why they're NOT up in arms over the white man in his third year, even though he's doing a worse job than Willingham.
The bigotry is there until shown otherwise, IMO, because they're the ones that set the precedent for firing their coach after 3 years of mediocrity, blowout losses, consistent losses to ranked opponents, etc. They set that standard for the black man, but apparently that standard is much lower for the white man. I'm open to alternate explanations, but it's up to Notre Dame to explicitly provide that.
for the sake of argument, let's say they fired TW for poor recruiting and not being available for alum schmooozing.
Fine, but it's up to Notre Dame to say that themselves. They were the ones that kept insisting that they had to fire Willingham in order to avoid a slide into mediocrity (or something like that). But, mediocrity slide still continuing forthwith, I think Notre Dame, its fans, and its blogs should stop this charade and admit that they're just like everybody else in college football- desperately impatient for more wins and more championships, and completely willing to make mistakes with coaching hires along the way.
Until they admit they wanted to replace Willingham with Meyer and f--ked it up, they're racists in my book. As of now, they've provided no other explanation for me to hang my hat on.
Hey "An Irish Fan" - just cause I said first doesnt mean I dont hate ND.
Fuck ND, Touchdown Jesus, Jesus and You in the ass.
I feel that way - and my wife is a domer!
So ND is guilty until proven innocent? I don't agree with that logic. And prior to this year, most ND fans had to be happy with Weis. Two BCS bowls and improved recruiting. If I were ND, I don't think I'd fire Weis after one bad year -- albeit a really terrible one. And Willingham isn't setting the world on fire at Washington. His record is worse than his predecessor, Keith Gilbertson, who only got two or three years before getting canned. I have a friend who is a huge Washington fan, and he said that some UW alums tried to force Willingham out this year. The funny thing is that both Weis and Willingham could be fired after next season.
But now I'm done -- I don't want to defend ND anymore. I really only started to respond in this thread because someone raised the following question: "Let me ask a serious question: is it "bigotry" to mock someone else's choices in life (e.g. religion)? Or is it bigotry to oppress someone because of their, say, skin color, gender, or sexuality?" I was only pointing out that bigotry does apply to intolerance of religious beliefs. Some how I got veered into a defense of Notre Dame, which was not my intention.
You know that ND is really only a quasi-Catholic University. It is quite distant from true catechismic teaching, and is only "Catholic" in name. That said, it pains me to see them so upset about such comments. Sure, maybe they are offensive (though everyone says fuck ____ to something) but its not like ND is full of true practicing Catholics, so it really shouldn't matter.
By the way, Notre Dame (the school) is not the one pushing this story. I found the following statement in the Chicago Tribune from early this week:
Notre Dame spokesman Dennis Brown said, "While we in no way condone Ms. Jacobson's comments, we're aware of the circumstances in which they occurred, and in the interest of forgiveness, trust that she and ESPN will address the matter in an appropriate way."
You can't take a handful message board posts and pretend that it represents the general consensus of an entire school and its alums.
fuck notre dame fuck ohio state fuck tbdbitl even though thier real name is pride of the buckeyes fuck touchdown jesus fuck the sweater vest fuck charlie weis...ok im done got to groom the sex stache
whats up...what did I miss?
are we talkin religion
Brian!.... i know you'll probably never read this, but just in case... learn, always learn! and it's a samll point and not even close to the center of this article, but ... this is NOT how to say this!!! you said: "Wolverine Historian is a hero striding among us, but sometimes it's a little weird watching a bunch of highlights from a tight game and only seeing the good things." .... no no no no no no no noooo... he won't even hear/remember the first part, he'll only remember the last part where you sound just a bit miffed and impatient and petulent (sp?)... say this instead: "Wolverine Historian is a hero striding among us, but ... gawd ... you just make me want to see the whole thing! all the good stuff and the bad stuff!!! arrggg!... goBlue!"
Then he can be, like: "oh cool, so you WANT to see it all ... i figured everyone would be bored ... gawd! give me a week!!!"...
But for what it's worth, I agree with you... I watched the 1969 clip (and it's just as famous for Buckeyes as Wolverines)... i was kind of expecting it to be longer, more of the game; was really looking forward to it and then it was over... So, I agree; a hero among us (even if for the wrong side... grin)
LOL.. oh, and one last thought... it's interesting to me how much I really don't care about watching the MI-Wash game highlights... cuz I really don't ... not the slightest interest in watching that ... lol big chuckle!!!
"Michigan is a hostile, unfriendly, and even unsafe environment for a Notre Dame fan. I don't know if you treat everyone that way, but it's a horrifying experience. After seeing a bunch of Michigan students hurl disgusting obsceneties at children wearing ND gear, being attacked by a frat boy myself, seeing ND cars getting rocked back and forth by angry Michigan fans, having trash thrown at me from the parking lot to the stadium, and so forth, I can certainly vouch for that comment."
Irish Fan--you are a flat-out lying dipshit. Get off the board. Anyone who's actually gone to a Michigan game knows everything you wrote is impossible--IMPOSSIBLE. Michigan, for better or worse, is home of the "symphony crowd," "down in front," "key play," and "just ignore them they're drunk" (said in hushed whisper re: loudmouth Buckeye boneheads). And we silently suffer the shouts of the jean-short wearing, "Return to Glory" muscle T-sporting idiots up from South Bend every other year. You scream obnoxiously and no one--NO ONE--says a goddamn thing. I've been to every ND and OSU home game for 15 years and tailgated the entire day. The problem with Michigan fans is not that we have too many meatheads--the problem is that we don't have any. Just once, just once I'd like to see a drunk offensive Domer, Buckeye, Sparty, Hawkeye, etc. get shouted and shut down.
"...I can certainly vouch for that comment" You can, really? I can "certainly" vouch for this: shut the fuck up and leave.
just in case some of you have not heard it, the audio link is on EveryDayShouldBeSunday.com...
what i heard is "... f*** Notre Dame! F*** Jesus! F*** everyone..."
but soooooo much more is sooooo much fun... love this: "Charlie Weis... he looks like a fat lesbian...!" OMG; love it! "I'm Drunk, you can do anything you want with me, i'm drunk." "F*** ketsup!" [Now why would you want to f*** ketsup... love ketsup; had ketsup with dinner tonight]... "Wait, I have cards with jokes on them."
38-0. Run along now.
Keep repeating my name Brian, and it will be insanity later.
charlie weis has a front ass
and one more thing..
both irish fan and buckeyebeau come off as big pussies
Uh, Buckybeau? That audio on edsbs.com is joke, man. It's not really her. That's why you heard "f--- ketchup." 'Cause it's a joke. It's fake.
I'm from Penn State; my whole family is Catholic; and I hate ND, even though my wife and some of her family went there. Am I guilty of anti-Catholic bias? Or is it just that I remember how they fucked the rest of us when the CFA was still a going concern by pretending to be in until the last second and then jumping to NBC?
One other thing about ND:
If someone insults ND why do they think its a slam against catholicism? They are not the sole representative of catholicism!!! I'll slam ND but love BC - so am I anti-catholic?
Again with Jesus - if someone insults Jesus, it's a slam on ND? Then did they get sole provence over Jesus?
They are sure a curious lot down there.
It not surprising that many Michigan fans who post on this board have missed the major point -- by a mile -- about Jacobson's F*ck Jesus comment. NDNation does not care if a DJ says something negative about ND -- who the hell is DJ?
F*ck Jesus is beyond the pale at a corporate-sponsored event advertised and promoted by a major communications company. Do you really believe that the sequence "F*ck ND, F*ck Touchdown Jesus, F*ck Jesus" does not suggest that the "F*ck Jesus" is anti-Roman Catholic instead of anti-Christian? Finally, until the roast blew up in their face, there were plans for audio and video distribution. Again, the posters on this board who believe that there is not audio or video of this event underscore the intellectual laziness of the Skunkbear.
Jacobson was out of line. Period. There isn't much else to say about it - clearly there will be some epic overreactions from Notre Dame fans, but that's all they are - overreactions.
Defending what Jacobson said is akin in stupidity to her own comments.
I love Michigan, but I hate the liberal Ann Arbor whackjobs who are in some dimented way defending what she said as "OMG freedom of speech and religion". Last time I checked the United States of America wasn't going to prosecute her in our court system. She faces disciplinary actions from her employer as well as public ridicule - that is all - and she deserves every bit of it. You sicken me by twisting this into some sort of crusade for 1st ammendment rights.
@ Don 10/25 @ 4:10...
+ 1,000,000 points. Well said.
I love Michigan, but I hate the liberal Ann Arbor whackjobs who are in some dimented way defending what she said as "OMG freedom of speech and religion". Last time I checked the United States of America wasn't going to prosecute her in our court system. She faces disciplinary actions from her employer as well as public ridicule - that is all - and she deserves every bit of it. You sicken me by twisting this into some sort of crusade for 1st ammendment rights.
Who has turned this into a crusade for Jacobsen's "1st ammendment [sic]" rights? No one has said that saying "fuck Jesus" (if she did say that) was not inappropriate. What everyone has said is that there is absolutely nothing bigoted or anti-Catholic about saying "fuck Notre Dame" or "fuck Touchdown Jesus."
Again, the posters on this board who believe that there is not audio or video of this event underscore the intellectual laziness of the Skunkbear.
ND fans are not "intellectually lazy." The proof of this is the fact that they come up with awesome nicknames such as "skunkbear."
In conclusion, fuck Notre Dame and fuck Touchdown Jesus. And god bless sex mustaches.
the sex stache is becoming legendary
I imagine this thread has ended its natural life, but just for the record: even though Dana Jacobsen said (allegedly) some mighty stupid shit, the Catholic Church's worst self-appointed PR spokesman Bill Donahue (sp?) is a gigantic horse's ass.
cfaller96, especially since the only black people in southbend are the football players and the bus drivers. maybe they should try to admit some people from diverse backgrounds who they aren't exploiting for sports.
p.s. fuck notre dame, fuck touchdown jesus, fuck jesus. (I actually like what i've read about jesus, aside from the impossible con-man bullshit, but fuck all religions that warp the good messages for their own twisted shit)
p.s.s. swearing is fun when everyone is doing it.
As a Catholic alumnus of the University of Michigan, I am utterly disgusted by some of the comments I have seen here. Belittling people with religious convictions in an attempt to paint yourself as more intelligent or more rational frankly isn't logical or philosophically self-consistent. I say this as a physicist. More importantly, I am afraid people are forgetting that ND fans and Catholics are indeed people too, and should be treated with human dignity and respect. The only people that don't deserve that are Ohio State fans.
FWIW, Ivy Tech is a community college. We have a branch here in Ft. Wayne.
And put me down as someone who'd love to see a hockey regional here.
Brian,
Do some research before you make a statement such as - ("Ivy Tech" in Indianapolis, a college so fake sounding it could be in one of those Allstate commercials.)
Ivy Tech has the following:
Over 100,000 enrolloments 2004-05
23 campuses
4,800 full and part time faculty
6 different instructional divisions
While only a lowly two year institution since 1963 and could not compare to the elite u of m, it provides training for over 175 different companies in skilled trades, technical services, art and design.
Make light of an athlete required to leave because of grades and his efforts to reapply himself. He is there for an education first or should be.
Why spend so much time and effort reporting about one athelete at another school. Are there no simmilar situations at u of m?
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