Kirk Ferentz?
(gimme a sec)
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No freaking way.
no seriously, please God no, for the love of all that is holy, please...
Coaching search don't take just 1 day, neither does it take only a week.
Bill Martin said he had a list of 30, he couldn't possibly pick just ONE out. even if Kirk is on the list, so what? we gotta have a safety net there somewhere, right? not to mention Kirk is Mary Sue's old friend in Iowa...
I agree with you 100% Cook, this would be a huge mistake. There is no way he is the best candidate out there. I'm not totally sold on Miles, but come on.
No, Ferentz should not even be a fallback option....why pay more for a fallback option than you would for a real candidate?
This is Carr's hand reaching out of the grave to screw with the living . . .
Maybe they would just be trying to prove once and for all that Lloyd wasn't as bad as people seem to think he was.
Brian:
He is not a real candidate. He is a candidate, no different than Ron English is a candidate. He won't be chosen. He is a class act, a well though of coach, who a few years ago had Iowa playing above their potential. And Mary Sue obviously likes him. So he's included in a list of the top 10, and probably should be. If we were rejected by Miles, Schiano, Gruden, etc, he could easily become our next coach. That won't happen, and he will not be our next coach.
Man, kill me if this happens. Doubt it will, though.
Gotta admit, though: Personality-wise, there wouldn't be a more perfect fit for the prototypical UM coach. Go back in time 3 years and everyone would yell "Of Course!" in unison.
Thinking more about Miles I think his best quality is that he has RELIGION when it comes to Michigan.
Miles appears to have a level of RELIGION not seen since Bo, hell, maybe not since Yost himself.
Shit, I'm getting pumped up just sitting here thinking about him as our next HC and I feel as though my sorely tested faith would be massively restored watching Miles stalk our sidelines for the next decade.
LET 'ER RIP!!!
LET 'ER RIP!!!
LET 'ER RIP!!!
LET 'ER RIP!!!
LET 'ER RIP!!!
Where is this rumor rapidly spreading? I've seen Ferentz's name mentioned as a longshot candidate, but nothing more.
As much as the mention of Ferentz reminds me of the Hawkeyes beating UM from 2002-2003 (BTW, those were great zone-blocking teams), my most recent memory of him is when he got so mad at the refs during last year's game that he coughed out his ubiquitous wad of gum, slobber and all. At least it wasn't tobacco. In my opinion, giving refs the business rather than coaching the players is a sure sign that a coach is beginning to lose his grip.
Ferentz is the logical extension of "Mary Sue hired him there, she'll hire him here." it makes sense only when you need to make things up. Plus, I believe it is in Ferentz's contract that he must be rumored to be leaving for at least one high level job, college or pro, each season.
Brian Kelly is getting alot of press on mlive.com.
Then again, can we anticipate what a program like Michigan will turn into, in the hands of Ferentz?
I think his price tag is the one thing that should be driving him away...
but I reeeeaaally hope Les would come to A2 to coach, but the timing of Lloyd's retirement is creating all this havoc..
FWIW - from my numerous dealings with OSU fans they are scared of Ferentz coming to UM, but they think Miles is a dolt and want him to come to UM.
My guess is they remember Ferentz blowing out OSU in '04 and OSU blowing out the 'pokes in the Alamo bowl. Buck fans love small sample sizes.
I'd take Ferentz any day over Tedford though.
He did have 3 10 win seasons in a row I believe.
Didn't Bill McCartney leave the Promise Keepers? I'm sure he'd be Bo's choice.
Why no talk of Gary Barnett - he did great things at NW... Whatever happened to him after that?
I know we need a new energy in the football program and les miles has shown that energy from what I've seen. The problem is that what I've seen is really just this year. If he loses a couple games early and is out of the SEC race or NC race, does he bring the same energy? It's easy to have that excitable energy when you're winning, but you can't win basically all your games every year. That's one of my worries about him. I'm not sure if he would know what to do.
Ferentz's Iowa teams are the only teams w/ a more boring offense than Debord's. Even JoePa put down the brains for a few minutes w/ Robinson in '05 and mixed up the offensive sets. We need to bring someone in that will get the fanbase excited about UM football again. Ferentz is not that man.
Lloyd was consistent and we loved him and hated him for it. Les Miles is inconsistent and we would love him or hate him for it.
I don't know. The mere mention of Bobby Petrino's name in stories will, I think, be looked back upon as pretty damn weird. How'd he get in there, anyway?
I think even the part about him rebuilding Iowa up from 1-10 is a little misleading. He succeeded Hayden Fry, who had a fine program that contended for the conference title every now and then. Iowa had a string of winning seasons through 1997, then went 3-8 in 1998 and Fry retired. Ferentz then went 1-10. So while he did rebuild them, there was still some juice in the program left over from Fry. It wasn't like Schiano at Rutgers, where they'd been bad for 50 years before him.
I think this is great.
Lmao at the fear the ferentz talk...he got us the one year after we lost 14 players to the nfl. Then Tressel tightened his ass up for two vicious beat downs.
-My way of thinking is what team in the big 10 didn't have a problem with players acting like assholes? Psu, Purdue, Illinoiz, even UM got dirtay in 07.
-Dude pretty solid with Mac level talent and unfortunatley Brian left out the numerous injuries at key positions that his team faced the last 3 seasons. He recruits Ohio pretty well and he has a great relationship with Ted Ginn Sr who sends his players to Iowa second if they can't get into Osu. But if you wanna hire Mr Drama, Mr gawdam man sniffles, mr trucker hat, then go ahead . He'll make John Cooper look like Vince Lombardi when he's done.
Lloyd was consistent and we loved him and hated him for it. Les Miles is inconsistent and we would love him or hate him for it.
How so? Miles has gone 11-2, 11-2 and 10-1 at LSU.
Les Miles would be a terrible hire.
Kirk,
You seem to be misinformed. AD Martin and Mary Sue Coleman have contacted my reps and told me the job is mine if I want it.
Hat, let me clarify. Les Miles says some pretty crazy things to the media (f-shots; calling out the Pac Ten), but he also makes gutsy calls with the game on the line (fourth downs vs. Florida; "nothing to lose" end zone shot vs. Auburn). Perhaps unpredictable is a better term than inconsistent. I was referring to his behavior, not his results. Lloyd was predictable, which served the program well but also led to some on-field disappointment.
SofJ prefers Ferentz to Miles. UM should hire Miles.
ColradoBlue wrote: "Gotta admit, though: Personality-wise, there wouldn't be a more perfect fit for the prototypical UM coach."
Why? Because he has no personality? Just because Carr was extremely dry doesn't mean that's the outward persona of "the prototypical UM coach." Schembechler, for instance, was nothing like that.
I'm sure SOJ is one of the people who will be working with Bill Martin to make this hire.
Everyone, just relax, I'll have us
9-3 and in the Capital One Bowl in no time. Gotta go, Mary Sue is calling.
FYI "The List" is 20, not 30 candidates.
newregime - ah, I see.
Here's my staff:
QB Coach: Brad Banks
WR Coach: CJ Pepper
That's pretty much it. Whatdya think?
I wonder if this rumor isn't just something they dreamed up to try to get the media off Miles's back until after LSU's season is done. That's about the only way it makes sense.
@Kirk
Why don't you bring Tim Dwight in to run special teams, Nate Kaeding can help with that too.
There are two names that scare Ohio State fans when they think of possible UM head coaches: Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer and (though the thought is about as inconceivable as the Space Emperor himself) Jim Tressel.
Aside from that, it ranges from indifference (Kirk Ferentz) to "please God hire his dumb, arrogant ass so we can even out the overall record" (Les Miles).
Er, make that three names. I was gonna leave Tress of the list, but decided to tack him on at the end and forgot to edit accordingly.
Heh. OSU trolls are already starting to hate Les Miles.
Let er' rip.
I'm gonna sign off and stop countering dreamt-up rumors for one day. I'm still excited about getting a new head coach, but in the next few weeks we may be as sick of this topic as we were about Michael Vick this past summer. Then again, I care a whole lot more about Michigan football than I do Michael Vick, so I probably won't get sick of debating this point. Now I'm just getting sick of hearing myself think. Good night, I'm quitting while I'm ahead.
Ohio State wants no part of this. That I can assure you. 33-7, 2004?
I wasn't aware I was a troll. But I won't deny my "criticism" of Miles was an inflammatory comment.
(BTW Kirk, do 31-6 in Columbus and 38-17 in Iowa City ring a bell?)
Kirk,
Shutup before I kick your ass.
Sure, they do. But wait til I'm in Ann Arbor, 33-7 will happen more often than you think.
Alright, who wants a mustache ride?
I'm so hungry I'd trade a recruit for a sandwich.
...Who am I kidding. I'd eat the recruit. If I can't have him, no one can.
Brian, here are some props to you!
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/
...in_the_les.html
AHHHHHHHHHHHH FERENTZ NO!
I attended two games in IC this year, the Indiana debacle (Homecoming!) and the Michigan State victory. Fun fact: UI fans were so desperate for a victory that they stormed the field after beating Sparty. Granted, it was a good, double-OT game, but still.
In any case, do not want.
Not to mention Iowa is contending with some serious discipline issues this year. I think Ferentz has been dealing well with them; I still think they probably (should?) disqualify him from consideration.
Gotcha guys right there
Just Kidding with the retirement announcement.
I'll be back to coach for another 25 years.
ready for some MICHIGAN FOOTBALL?
Somehow I think Miles would represent Michigan differently than he does other schools. I don't mean to imply that he represents other schools badly. He represents them well, with wins, and with character. However, he played at Michigan. He met his wife at Michigan. He coached under Bo at Michigan. He's a "Michigan man" insofar as he would represent Michigan respectfully as an essential part of himself. Supposedly he already does this, talking about "when I was at Michigan," like any of us do who went to Michigan. I don't see how hiring anyone else will excite the Michigan faithful nearly as much. Granted, this is not a necessity: exciting the Michigan faithful. However, he is a successful, winning coach (who apparently has elephant balls), and he'll be able to bring in great recruits (through determination, skill and love for a program with rich history). Might as well kill several bucks with one stone.
Is this whole "pretending to be a coach on a message board"...thing...new?
I can't remember ever wanting to scroll through a weekday comment thread so quickly.
The only thing that worries me is the Mary Sue connection. ¡No me gusta Mary Sue! ¿Quienes mas macho?
Can somebody get Ferentz some vodka and some car keys just to be on the safe side?
I've got to go with you: this (along with the probable rumors about Debord, English, Harbaugh, all but maybe four of the 30 candidates, etc.) is just hand-waving on the part of Martin's office so that people have something to talk about until the real candidates for the job are actually free from their current seasons.
I don't want Kirk Ferentz...I don't want Beilema...I don't want no stinkin' Big Ten Coaches
lets go streaking , whos with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about Paul Johnson? He's beaten the sweater vest in a D1 National Championship. He's made a team out of Navy. Best of all he runs the option offense similar to Tedford Meyer and Rodriguez.
wait, when did paul johnson coach a D1 title team??
Also, I think we should hire Marty Schottenheimer.
What kind of precedent is there for a coach to switch teams within his conference? I'm sure it's happened, but I can't think of any instances off the top of my head...
@ Jim Harbaugh Scramble
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not about the Gary Barnett thing.
He went on to become coach at Colorado. Then his players harassed a female kicker and he made disparaging comments about her in the media. Also, he was accused of providing "girls" for recruits on their official visits. He didn't really come off as a quality human being.
how about rick neuheisel? haven't heard much about him lately, he was a rising star. him and gary could co-coach!
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.../711210388/
1131
Here's something that makes abso-fucking-lutely no sense. DeBord is gonna attack the process with guns loaded. He has a 12-34 record at CMU but doesn't show restraint in trying for one of the top coaching jobs. If I were him, I'd just try to become a better O-coordinator and make Michigan want me. He's got one of the lamest offenses in the country but the gall!
I think Ron is ruled out because he doesn't really fit Martin's requirements ( prior experience, shouldn't learn on the job ). And giving 42 points to Appy is permanent blot in his resume.
@ EEKS
I think when Deboord said he is going to go into the interview with his "gun loaded", he meant it literally (likely the only way he will get the job).
@ EEKS
Not that this is a huge deal, but Appalachian State only scored 34 points.
Guys, settle down. I have serious personal issues to resolve. It's not easy turning 50. My teams don't show up to play every week any more. And I just figured out my offensive game plans are the same ones Ken used against Oberlin.
My shrink says I need to walk in the woods a lot this winter or some shit and figure out if I still have the fire to coach this stinkin' game, says until I resolve that my players are going to express my ambivalence.
Christ, can you believe I lost to Indiana two years in a row?
--Kirk Ferentz
You guys weren't paying attention, but that's okay. Joe Philbin.
It's like hiring Ferentz without the midlife drift and confusion.
And I guarantee you our O-line doesn't look like a turnstyle next year.
For more info on Ferentz, see:
http://blackheartgoldpants.com/s...11/21/63528/
674
On the other hand, Belichick's record when hired by New England: 36-44? Makes KF's 1-over-.500 last three years look pretty sweet.
Just messing with you.
Joe Philbin. Ex-Harvard OC, btw. This way we get offensive game plans for Yale, instead of Oberlin. Mary Sue says Oberlin's great and all, but higher boards at Yale.
I think I would rather have SoJ as coach than DeBord.
Never mind, I would just have to kill myself.
"When you go into an interview for something you really want, you have to go with your gun loaded, and I'm going to have my gun loaded," DeBord said.
DeBord is going to make Martin an offer he can't refuse.
@ Yikes
Sorry, I didn't see you'd made the "DeBord gets the job at gunpoint" joke already.
How about this one? After getting the HC position at gunpoint, DeBord said "leave the offense, take the cannoli."
(crickets)
Bill Martin really wants to keep McGuffie and knows that Ferentz has big time juice with white skill position players.
Nice that Harbaugh took himself out of the running, so that when he doesn't get a call from Martin he can feel better about himself. Jackass.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d.../311210015/
1054
I find it amusing that OSU fans only would worry about Carroll or U Meyer. Look at the spread over M's losses to OSU. It seems to me there are quite a few coaches that could swing that by a plus 7 points making M very competative with OSU. They should worry alot. Not to say M will dominate, Tresel is an outstanding coach but M has an easy upside.
The only case within recent memory of a HC moving directly from one team in a major conference to a conference rival is Tom O'Brien moving from BC to NC State (and that's worked out well for him, huh?). And I think one factor there is that BC and NC State are hardly traditional rivals, since BC just moved to the ACC. If someone else out there comes up with one or two more, that doesn't change the fact that it's incredibly rare in major conferences.
With regard to Ferentz, it's a complete waste of time for anyone to really think it's going to happen. Kirk Ferentz has been at Iowa for 18 seasons, 9 as assistant under Fry, and 9 as HC. For every one of those years, Michigan has been one of Iowa's prime rivals, a much-hated enemy standing in the way of the legendary Hayden Fry as well as Ferentz himself. Big games against major conference rivals are a huge part of any coach's legacy, and Ferentz is no exception. So we're now supposed to believe that Ferentz is going to chuck all that history just a month after the end of Iowa's season, and start recruiting against Iowa and preparing game plans against the Hawkeyes? If anyone believes that's gonna happen, I've got some coastal property in Florida for sale.
IF Ferentz left Iowa for the NFL, and after a few years wanted to come back to the college ranks, then and only then would there be any chance that Ferentz would end up at Michigan. That's not the situation we're in. Ain't gonna happen, nor should it.
The "Jon Gruden says Michigan is his dream job" BS is all over the internet tubes at the moment. If anyone can unearth a verifiable statement from Gruden's own lips making that assertion, I'd love to see it. The funny thing is that people at Tennessee are saying the same thing: "Jon Gruden says his dream job has always been Tennessee."
OSU fans must only be praying that this news is true.
I don't know if Gruden said Michigan was his dream job, but I'm glad people are talking about him. The more his name is mentioned the more rumors get started. Maybe their press will bug him enough with questions that he will actually consider the job.
I would love to have Gruden as our next coach.
Gruden can't teach. cf. Weis. College: frequent tantrums are not teaching. And he has weird eyes. You must think I'm a moron.
Wasn't Notre Dame Gruden's dream job when it was available a couple of years ago? I thought I read he grew up in Indiana or something.
Regardless, no NFL coaches!
let's go people, where are the airplane trackers? the foia requests for phone records? the round the clock surveillance of the athletic department?
we need to take a class on Coach Rumor Mongering from SEC fans.
What's Jon Gruden's recent record in recruiting? What's his record in working with 18-year olds in the context of the limited amount of time per week he would have? How well would he function within an athletic department? How well would he handle academic issues relating to the university as a whole? There is absolutely no way for Bill Martin to evaluate these things, other than to make a guess.
And what would happen the next time an NFL coaching job opens up, which would be in 2008 or 2009 at the latest? I guarantee that Gruden's name would be one of the first to appear in speculation, regardless of what's happening at Michigan. Same with Cowher, same with any other quality NFL coach. Recruiting is a dirty enough business, and every program we're recruiting against would use Gruden's NFL ties against him: "Don't sign with Michigan, everybody knows that (insert NFL team here) is going to hire him at the end of the season."
Bill Martin needs that like a hole in the head.
Chris Petersen, Boise State:
BA, Education
Masters, Educational Psychology
QB, Cal-Davis
Age - 44
Current Salary - $850k
Pitt - QB Coach
Oregon - Receivers Coach
Boise - O-Coordinator (5 years)
Boise - Head Coach 2 years (undefeated first year, one loss this year and ranked #17).
How does this sound in terms of breathing a modern football game plan into UofM:
The Broncos defeated Big 12 Champion Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl as only the second non-BCS conference school to play in a BCS bowl, after Utah in 2004. In the 43-42 overtime win, Petersen drew particular attention for his bold play calling at the end of the game: A 50-yard hook-and-lateral play on 4th-and-18 described as "stunning" for a tying touchdown with just 7 seconds left in regulation, an option pass (off a direct snap to a wide receiver) on 4th-and-2 in overtime, and a "Statue of Liberty" misdirection play for the two-point conversion to win the game in overtime. Petersen stated, "We were trying to get to it earlier, to tell you the truth. We needed a play like that to get it over with."[2]
Mary Sue Coleman should have no imput on who is the next coach...if we are getting Ferentz because she likes him...I swear to god...I gonna do something rash!!! jk
Holy Mother of God.......This is not even funny as a joke!!! I hope that you are correct Brian, in that this is a weird rumor. He may be on the list, only out of respect for Coleman.......God help us if she has that much pull and he is our next HC........I shudder to even think.......
"The only case within recent memory of a HC moving directly from one team in a major conference to a conference rival is Tom O'Brien moving from BC to NC State "
How recent Dan. Tubberville went from Ole Miss to Auburn, Dinardo went from Vandy to LSU, Spurrier and Saban didn't go directly, but does the NFL count? That's just off the top of my head in the SEC.
Please god hire Ferentz.
Chris Peterson's name is coming up at LSU as a replacement for Miles... of couse that's interent speculation. He's a hot coach.
No Pro coach leftovers...
Brett Beilema - Hungry young guy that seems to run a clean program.
Chris Johnson - See resume above (nicely done)
Kirk Ferentz - did stop Illini option, but not the right man
Mr. Miles - great if it will all work
Everyone else, thanks for stopping by the booth.
One more thought,
If we got Chris Johnson, maybe we could change the turf to a dark Blue, with Maize lines, hashes, and yard numbers?
Uh oh, I hope we don't lose Boo Boo and the Matrix:
http://www.mlive.com/sports/anna...6800.xml&
coll=2
Fuck! I don't want to lose McGuffie.
\Do. Not. Want.//
>
http://thumbsnap.com/v/UAt4h6HG.jpg
Yes...it is horrible, this idea.
\Kirk Ferentz has been at Iowa for 18 seasons, 9 as assistant under Fry, and 9 as HC. For every one of those years, Michigan has been one of Iowa's prime rivals, a much-hated enemy standing in the way of the legendary Hayden Fry as well as Ferentz himself. Big games against major conference rivals are a huge part of any coach's legacy, and Ferentz is no exception.//
>
Which is why Ferentz manages to get a schedule with neither Michigan NOR Ohio State on his schedule this year, right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Brett Beilema?? This is not the first time I've seen his name on someone list and I'm just as flummoxed as the first time. Have we forgotten the whole Breaston knee thing so fast? I'm actually not too sure that meathead of a jerk really runs that clean of a program. If it turns out to be a clean program, then it's a viciously petty and mean sort of clean.
Um, are you implying Ferentz had any pull in not getting OSU or UM?
If you are, I don't think you know how scheduling works.
The best coach for UM is Urban Meyer. He knows the spread offense and has perfected it at UF. Go get the best coach in college football -- Urban Meyer.
If you have watched any of LSU games, Miles is not too bright. He was lucky to get 4 or 5 4th down conversions. His play calling has lead to some squeaker wins that LSU, with all of its raw talent, should have won easily. Just look at the Alabama game. Miles' team has been plagued by penalties and the coaching staff has failed to fix those problems. His special teams are very weak. Just b/c Miles is a Michigan man doesn't make him the best man for the job.
Ferentz didn't have anything to do with his UM/OSU-less schedules, but the fact that Iowa routinely missed one or both of the Big Two should color any analysis of his record.
Maybe Carr is still mad from last year when Univ of Fla. outmaneuvered him to get their shot at the BCS against Ohio St. The Big 10 was undressed by Fla. Who knows, but UM should get the best coach. That coach is Urban Meyer.
Why in the hell would Urban Meyer go from Florida to Michigan??
And why would we want that douche?
Urban Meyer isn't leaving Florida, he would be stupid if he did. This is crazy talk.
Hate to break it to you guys, but Florida is a better program than Michigan right now (and for the last couple of decades) No way Urban leaves Florida. His wife and daughters love the sun too much.
For all those who say Gruden has said that Michigan is his "dream job":
From the Chicago Sun-Times, Oct 16, 2001:
A decision on the fate of Notre Dame coach Bob Davie could be two months away, but a short list of possible replacements already is making the rounds.
At or near the top of that list is Oakland Raiders coach Jon Gruden, which brought heightened attention to the Raiders' visit to Indianapolis on Sunday night. Instead of simply answering questions about his team's victory over the Colts, Gruden had to address the Notre Dame rumors.
"I'm interested in Notre Dame doing well," said Gruden, who attended high school in the South Bend area when his father, Jim, was an assistant on Dan Devine's staff from 1978 to '80. Those were great years for me. [But] everyone who knows me knows ... I'm pretty focused on the job I have."
Gruden doesn't hide his affection for the Irish, who play host to USC on Saturday (1:30 p.m., Ch. 5, 1000-AM). He hung around the team as much as possible and even used to drive around recruits.
"I feel comfortable in this state," he said. "It's like going back to the future, like one of those movies. Everybody who knows me knows I've always loved Indiana."
Gruden has said many times that being around the Irish in those formative years is what led him to get into coaching. Even now, when he is regarded as one of the best young coaches in the NFL, Notre Dame isn't far from his thoughts. When his name was mentioned last year for the Ohio State job, a California newspaper quoted Gruden saying that coaching the Irish was his "dream job."
Gruden also had this to say about Notre Dame in his diary on NFL.com last month: "To see that marching band walking across campus at 8 o'clock in the morning, to look up and see Touchdown Jesus and the Golden Dome, to feel Rockne's ghost, the best word I can use to describe it is chilling.' Every time I see Notre Dame on TV, it gives me goosebumps."
Yeah no shit, Florida is a monster- and why would you want to go from being the biggest gorilla on the recruiting trail in one of the best football states in the country, coming off a National Title, to Michigan?
We have tradition and all, but that's not exactly an upward move for Meyer.
Jerry Sprigg knows his stuff...
Obviously Miles must not be that bright, who but a moron could beat the "beat coach in college football -- Urban Meyer"?
And of course the 4th downs were luck. And not having players that execute when called upon.
Of course I am sure that HUGE talent advantage LSU has over UF must be a factor (!)
Yeah. That's it.
The only reasons I can see Urban coming to Michigan would be:
1.) He's from the Midwest and coached in the MAC.
2.) The idea that the Big 10 provides an easier conference to remain undefeated and make it to the NC game (real this year, perceived some other years, but generally true).
3.) Tradition. Like the 100 year kind, not the 20 year kind.
All of those reasons are very weak and do not outweigh the benefits of UF in any manner.
...HAIL-TO-THE-NAW!
Michigan at a pivotal point. With the choices of candiate that are avaiable why the hell would KF be your first choice...
Mary Sue needs to let the athelic department handle this...
this whole thing is reminiscent of the "mary sue demands that amaker stay" thing that went on right before he got fired.
If we're making absurd coaching suggestions that would never leave their current position (Meyer), I suggest we hire Jim Tressel.
All those freaking out about Mary Sue having too much say in the decision should just remember the basketball search. Mary Sue was reputed to want Amaker to stay (for some legitimate institutional reasons involving his wife and the construction of the new north quad). Martin obviously made the case that he was no longer the best person for the job and she didn't interfere with the decision.
The big decision maker in this is Martin; at worst, he just has to convince Coleman that what he's doing is the right decision.
Okay, time to retain Coach Jackson! And anyone know which coach Cissoko was tight with?
Here's my list of coaches I would be okay with keeping:
Jackson - RBs
Campbell - WRs
Loeffler - QBs
Stripling - DL
Bedford - DBs
English - DC
Falk - Equip Mgr since Bo
wavering on Szabo -LBs
Should be Gone:
Debord - OC
Moeller -OL
Gittleson - S&C
Tolbert - S&C
Summary so far:
Ferentz isn't happening, for obvious reasons: $$$$ and in-conference move.
Meyer, Stoops, Carroll aren't happening, also for obvious reasons: Winning programs, better situations for football success, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Beilema? No. In-conference and his head is surgically attached to Barry Alvarez's backside. Plus he's a meathead.
Petrino? No. Doesn't he have a fairly sketchy reputation? Also, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
English or DeBord? Oh lord no.
Gruden? No. Not a college guy. His team is winning. Also, $$$$$.
Cowher? Um, no. Won't be interested.
Trgovac? Um, no. Doesn't meet criteria.
Paul Johnson? Intriguing, but very unlikely imo.
The serious candidate list at this point really consists of very few names:
1. Miles
2. Kelly
3. Tedford (pretty skeptical about him too, but no major roadblocks if he decides he wants to move)
If I knew more about Chris Petersen, I'd think about throwing his name on that list too, but no higher than 4th.
Brian, you should start a column entitled:
"Profiles in he...WTF!!!?!?"
Since Saturday, I've managed to not get too down. But if McGuffie or Boo-Boo leave, I will spiral into a deep, dark depression. Fuck.
We should get the giant Wolverine boot that formerlyanonymous is arranging to have on the sidelines coach the team. Two birds with one stone. Although I'm still partial to the live Wolverine.
Brett Bielma? Does this mean my high school gym teacher also has a shot?
Gruden inherited Dungy's team and won a superbowl... what has he done since? Squat...
In his defense, Gruden also put together the Oakland team that Callahan took to the Super Bowl...to lose to Gruden's new team. Not that I think Gruden should be the next coach. He should not.
Pro coach obviously not an option but if it were...
mike tomlin.
No one's mentioning Charlie Weis.
He's closed down all the all-you-can-eat buffets in Indiana, and he's ready to take on the challenge of a new state.
Plus, he's a genius. Just ask him.
what about fred jackson?
yeah, what ever happened to fred jackson?
@ CAUP '91
I agree with all of your assessment of who should stay and who should go, except...
Szabo. I think Szabo should stay. He made David Harris a stud and helped Prescott Burgess be productive when it seemed Burgess might fall of the face of the earth.
Our linebackers this year were crappy but improving. IMO, Ezeh played very well for a being a redshirt freshman playing the MIKE for the first time. Graham sucks at pass coverage and taking on blockers, but nobody can turn him into a player, I don't think. And Crable lost contain sometimes, but he had something like 24 TFL's this year.
Brian considered Crable a DE, so all his comments about linebackers disregarded Crable's contributions to the unit.
I asked that question about Fred Jackson a couple days ago and nobody answered.
His title is "running backs coach/associate head coach" so you would think he'd have at least as good a shot as English (Debord will get an interview, but he has NO shot).
he is still there, assoc. head coach and running backs coach. my point was why not consider him?
Fred Jackson's name was kicked around quite a bit a couple years ago when people were speculating on lloyd's future. I would have no problem with that hire in the sense that he would run a similar program in terms of cleanliness. He's also a really great guy like lloyd.
My problem is that he might be overly loyal like lloyd.
wait, MSU isn't Baylor?
What happened to les miles new house in Ann Arbor?
jesus
Fred jackson should be a coordinator first I think so we can see what kind of offense he would run
Meyer? Tressel? Stoops?
As long as we're talking completely rational and sane possibilities, why don't we exhume Yost, Crisler and Bo, combine their DNA, and clone the ultimate Michigan Man/Coach?
Hey, it totally worked for C.O.B.R.A.
I don't think Fred meets Martin's "experience" criteria. I don't know, I guess you talk to him, but I really don't see anything coming of that. I'm sorry Fred Jackson. I am for real.
I think Szabo should stay too, but he just might retire.
I hate when people type IMHO, because you're writing it, so it's obviously your opinion. Anyway, IMHO, McGuffie is gone if Miles is hired. Sam wanted an offer from LSU and never got one. There are legit reasons for that (Williams, Holliday, Chambers, recruiting Scott), but he seems to like to have his ego stroked a bit. If Jackson goes, McGuffie is double gone. Only thing is that his presumed fall back, A&M, is going through the same situation.
I'm not as worried about Boo Boo, regardless of the coaching staff.
Ummm...we did see the Jackson as OC experiment, didn't work so well. I think that's when Debord took over for the first time.
is Brian or Tacopants on this list?
This is going to be a long month
McGufie would be great I think but RB isn't a problem, Michigan has like 3 or 4 in-state this comming year.
I don't think they are going to lose any recruits.
With the thought of Mario and AA going pro, 1 in-comming WR isn't enough. Hopefully Baldwin will wait and give the new coach a chance to recruit him.
I will jump-start the offense with my brilliant NFL schemes.
I will go for a touchdown on fourth down when we're in field goal range in the fourth quarter.
I'll keep Zingerman's profitable for the length of my contract.
And I'll bring Jimmah up here with me.
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity, Wolverines--don't blow it.
Fred Jackson is old, has no head coaching experience and frankly, I'm not convinced he's that good. We never have good depth at RB. He always works his starting tailback to death and then, when the back gets injured, our inexperienced backups play like crap.
First, Baldwin just ruled us out given the uncertainty. Also, it sounds like Sam is less than 50/50 at this point - that's too bad.
Re Meyer. I (like many others) tend to think that Meyer is this great coach and that Miles is pretty good but nothing great (but better than those that call him a moron). But then again, LSU beat FLA and no way do you convince me that LSU has better talent. And yes LSU has a senior QB but let's be real - Tebow is tons better than Flynn/Perriloux at this point. So maybe Miles isn't an idiot after all. I mean how did Meyer manage to lose 3 games already with all that FLA talent (yes it's a tough conference but c'mon)?
Big picture, guys. It's going to take a couple of years to turn this around ,particularly if a very new system is involved. Losing quality recruits will hurt, but the right HC is paramount.
I wish I had a clue who that should be....
Miles will offer Ron English to stay on as DC, but that is a mistake in my opinion. English has not shown that he can correct the mistakes that have lead to the same game plans beating us year in and year out. I love English's energy, and think he does a pretty nice job with the secondary, but Miles will not want to handicap himself with that defensive pedigree. Unless English can prove to Miles that he has concrete plan to correct the problems, he walks.
I expect Loeffler and Stipling to be offered to stay and Szabo if he wants to.
Jackson will be offered to stay in some capacity, but will probably turn it down.
The rest are gone.
@ hat
True, we never have great depth at RB. But we almost always have a GREAT running back. I don't know exactly how long Jackson has been the RB's coach, but we went from Tyrone Wheatley (1st rounder) to Tshimanga Biakabatuka (1st rounder) to Clarence Williams (okay, forgettable) to Chris Howard (played in the NFL) to Anthony Thomas (Michigan's leading rusher, 2nd rounder) to BJ Askew (impact NFL player) to Chris Perry (1st rounder) to Mike Hart (new UofM leading rusher, kinda-sorta Heisman candidate, etc.).
We'll see about Minor and Brown. There are some knocks on each, but they could be a great 1-2 combo.
@ J. Lichty
Part of the issue with stopping certain schemes (i.e. the spread option and/or running QB's) is the athletes you have. English doesn't have the ideal, SEC-type freakish athletes to run with Dixon, Vince Young, etc. That's as much on Gittleson and the recruiting as it is on English. Very few teams have those players on defense.
re: McGuffie
First of all, IF Miles becomes the coach, there's no guarantee he would bring Larry Porter with him. If he does, it wouldn't be extremely difficult to move Porter or Jackson to a different position. Jackson could coach O-line, tight ends, DB's, whatever. The same goes for Porter. I'm not sure of their individual experiences and such, but it's not unfathomable that they could be on the same staff.
@TOOL,
That is a very good point about McGuffie. I know that the highlight tape is OMG greatest ever, but, imo, the LBs in this class are way more important to keep around. I would think that we have an excellent shot at getting either Jackson or Caper in the next class. They will be freshmen during Brown/Minor/Grady's senior year so we should be fine at RB regardless.
OT: Came across this article via StumbleUpon yesterday. It's a quick documentation of the Brian/MGoBlog breaking the Carr thing. Nothing you didn't know already, but cool to see it from an outside source.
http://www.csweekly.com/featured...ry/index/id/
105
So what about this recruiting class? All this anxiety over this class seems silly. We need to think long term. Why not wait for Miles? If he is going to be at MI for 10-15 years, why does it matter if we wait 7 weeks? Miles will recruit great players, probably get more players from the south, and will more than make up for any player that un-commits from the 2008 class.
martin saw espn's list of 30 greatest players and he is doing a riff on it. ferentz is number 30. number 29 is . . .
For those of you asking about Gruden, I did a little research a while back on him. Yes, he has specifically stated that he wanted to coach Michigan. Link below:
http://
conqueringheroes.blogspot...07_archive.html
http://
conqueringheroes.blogspot...uden.html#links
I would consider English's successful defense against Illinois to be a quite impressive example of his ability to adapt and improve.
How did OSU do against that same spead option defense of Illinois?
I won't be distraught if they can English, but I also wouldn't be upset if the nes HC keeps him as the DC.
His worst games were still fairly early in his career.
Wisky had short fields and a 38 minute TOP.
Didn't you guys know that Bo recommended two men as being his choices to replace Lloyd one day: Rich Rodriquez and Ferentz.
One of Lloyd's best friends: Norm Parker.
Coleman and Ferentz enjoyed working with each other.
Maybe it's a Venn diagram, or maybe it's insight.
Ferentz has yet to disavow the job (though he never does).
Back to my chess game.
Magnus, all of those RB's you listed had an OL for the most part. Hart did alot with nothing and if they get some lineman in shape and ready to play Brown, Minor, Grady, Horn will do just fine.
Please more Schilling to OG and move Moeller out the door please.
Commenting by HaloScan
