There they go....
Good.
I hope our next QB commit is a dual-threat prospect.
I know I came into the mix late in the game (via coaching search), but as the weeks go by, these comment sections keep getting weirder and weirder. Tonight takes the cake, more so than death to blog the other night.
not a huge loss imho
Yeah, kinda hoping the dummies don't find this new thread.
whoa, wait....i'm guessing this isn't a compliment?!
This is terrible news
man --- and i couldn't wait to start the 'wienkinator' chant!!
damn it!
@mgobleu
too late...
focking nerds go everywhere and make us real fans look stupid.
the price that will be paid for this fcuking boondoggle.
Iowa returns to the schedule after 2008, so let's hope Weinke & Ferentz don't kick our ass. . . .
Don't worry guys. I can throw the ball to myself.
You can use my handle, elno.
we'll recruit some more qb's
let's hope it isn't the start of a trend
I'm not worried about dropping commits. bound to happen.
How mobile is Wienke? If he's not, it's not a big loss if RRod is coming.
Maybe Tebow will transfer....
Trend this!
@00goblue00
i think the idea behind the silliness is to take a step back, look around, and realize how silly all the 'peering at this situation under a microscope' truly is.
it is what it is, not a bit more.
...here
What? and start listing to my wife?
Rather come here and flame the morons.
i am trying to stay upbeat, but i'm starting to lose my enthusiasm. starting to envision going "so what" when the new coach is finally announced, figuring it will be someone who won't be very inspiring. i have a ton of friends & relatives who are fans of other schools, constantly barraging me with humiliation. everybody else in the same boat?
This is good news...we were on the verge of having too many QBs and no way out if Mallet BLOWZZZZ...now we can at least recruit someone next year. And Threet is probably better anywho
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3156300
Pinkel staying put
@ Big Jim
No, but then again, I'm just a little dot
I am a step back, I'm about 10 steps back from the situation. I was coming here to read the updates about RR. Not here to get hysterical with every new bit of news anymore. Just stating that the impersonating coaches comments and talking about ridiculous things like assholes and gays loving Les and such is getting really old...The Barbaric thing was funny, but the rest of the stuff that has been going on tonight is ridiculous.
YES!!!
So we have Cone and Mallet, and some walk on jokes. I'm a little worried
anyone seen my sailboat?
anyone??
Good luck at Iowa kid -
I think the last QB they had in the NFL was Chuck Long.
Watching endless clips of my service in the Senate sucked. The only thing that woke me up were the coach's comments.
mmmmm, you know what they say about big feet!
funny, all that talk about Ferentz coming here, and he's really out stealing our recruits. . . .
Les Miles was not and I cant say this with enough shock in my voice, UM's number one choice....I know this is odd and will throw many for a loop but Greg Schiano was actually their first choice....on Monday the 3rd of Dec. the job was offered to Mr. Schiano and he told them he would give them an answer by the end of the week.....He accepted the job on the 6th of Dec. and scheduled a meeting with his team for Friday but Friday morning decided against the move and turned down the offer......again, I swear this is all true.
I still believe, along with my source, who is very very very tight with UM, lets say commitee members who are under Bill Martin, that Les Miles is still interested in the job and is just blowin smoke but he says that if UM doesnt fill the position by the National Champ that they will get Miles.
See, the only problem is that now I wonder if that's really Brian Cook. That's the problem with the handle-monkeys.
Thanks Brian. Don't know if it'll help, but it is appreciated.
@BigJim
wins post of the thread!!
Latest insider info:
Mallet doesn't like it in Michigan (we all knew that), and decided that he can flourish under Petrino's offense. Makes sense. He's transferring after the semester.
Best of luck to him, can't say I blame him
Oh i forgot about Threet. Not nearly as worried.
I'd be willing to bet that isn't Brian, because when he posts in the threads he doesn't do it as "Brian Cook."
He's not transferring, my friend talked to him yesterday. He's fine..cool down
Not me.
Blueballs dont lie
Brian, get this colsarned board under control! DO IT, boy!!!
how about tOSU UFR brian??
Mike - are you sure? My source is close to the team, but not necessarily to RM. Apparently the whole team knows he's gone, but I'm glad to hear you saying its not true! That would suck!
If you are a UM fan and want to see the OSU UFR you must be a masochist.
Just thinking about that performance makes me sick.
signing off, winter storm warnings in toronto and there is serious red wine to drink. keep the faith, everybody - and GO BLUE!
Anonymous,
I really, really want to believe that. Miles has been my first choice since the beginning.
But if any of the Ferentz/Schiano/Rodriguez stuff is true, how can this administration (MSC, BM) expect to have any sort of decent relationship with Miles if he does take the position? They've shopped it all over the place and he's the only one who's willing to take it? Sure hope he names his price and conditions to the T if that's the case.
Ever the optimist, I'm really rooting for Martin to look like Columbo here--dumb (and underestimated) at the beginning, a genius at the end. But right now, he looks an awful lot like Barney Fife.
All I know is that he is getting shit from Manningham, Butler, and some others, but he said he likes the program and whatnot. Mario needs to shut his damn mouth. My friend was pretty sure about this one and he said it was just a rumor.
Harmon-izer....Amen Brother
It's not going to be Miles. It's not going to be Miles. It's not going to be Miles. It's not going to be Miles. It's not going to be Miles. It's not going to be Miles. It's not going to be Miles.
It's going to be Miles. It's going to be Miles. It's going to be Miles. It's going to be Miles. It's going to be Miles. It's going to be Miles. It's going to be Miles.
at Jim Harbaugh Scramble:
i want to see the UFR because unlike most of the jokers around here lately, i actually care about football and analysis
"RODRIGUEZ, MICHIGAN DON'T HAVE A DEAL
Although there was talk late Friday that West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez was close to an agreement to leave for Michigan, we're hearing that that is not the case.
However, we're also hearing that because Rodriguez does not have a good relationship with West Virginia Athletic Director Ed Pastilong, Rodriguez will consider any high-profile job that comes along as long as Pastilong is his boss.
As for Pastilong, he told the Associated Press of the meeting Rodriguez had with Michigan, "Rich has not mentioned anything of that nature to me. ... I think it would be unusual that he would be doing that without sharing it with us."
However, Tom Dienhart of The Sporting News reports that West Virginia has given permission for Rodriguez to talk to Michigan.
You can track all the latest coaching news at the College Football Talk coaching changes page."
http://www.collegefootballtalk.c...m/ rumormill.htm
I told you guys...It's gonna be me, Mike, and Ron running the show. No more talk about spread this and spread that. We are gonna run a traditional Michigan offense. Bill, Lloyd, and Mary Sue promised me all the cheeseburgers I can shove into my fat ass. Make sure you buy your season tickets, suckers.
It's not going to be Miles.
wolvrine5....We got That The First Time
I hope when this is all over a real live journlizt writes a book about this HC search. It would be fascinating and could have national appeal.
C'mon guys, I can only wait so long
It's going to be Miles.
Jim Harbaugh Scramble
"journlizt" - my new word for the day
Jim Harbaugh Scramble....Why do feel its going to be miles
Wow, that cleared things up in a hurry.
my bad! i thought i put it in a much older post the first time.
...one too many bowls...for now
Mike ...Can you have your friend get online so we can discuss this mallett business
Thanks Brian!
At this point, I just want this to be over. I feel like thatperson who plays bingo, and all i need is B13 for bingo, but it never comes..... for week after week. I get so close to beng able to scream "BINGO", but alas....
My friend is studying for finals, like I should be doing too. I'm a waste of space right now.
I'm studying for finals too Mike. I'm going to ruin your curve if you don't get on it.
Piece of shit finals...
More will follow the way shit is going on here!!
No worries about the dual-threat QB...I had a sample of Tebow's DNA (Don't even ASK how I got it) sent and I am in the process of cloning him for a future M QB...
That way we can have an option QB with the grades...
You better teach him to throw though...
MMMMM JUST HAD SOME JUG NACHOS
finals do suck...but im a senior FTW
Yeah, me too. FTL...
HS or College? lol
First decommit, won't surprise me in the least to have several more.
Lloyd Carr's timing of his announcement sure was in the best interests of the program.
Or something.
Considering I'm on mgoblog, what do you think?
Sorry about one more youtube clip, but here's Harbaugh after the USC win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y...h?
v=y4VUAABXhVU
Michigan should speak with Harbaugh. If we refuse to speak with him, I think that says something about our real commitment to excellence. Are we afraid to take on criticism? I doubt Bo would be very proud of that.
duderstadt = ghey
I would assume college, but it's not like HS kids don't have internet access or colleges they root for.
Yes, at UM
"you don't seek this job, it seeks you."*
lloyd carr
*and finds you and you turn it down, thanks very much. think i'll stay right where i am, but appreciate all the levarage you have given me. btw, i think mike debord is available."
(gotta read the fine print)
Doesn't a refusal to speak with Harbaugh say more about him coaching a 2-10 team that lost to Notre Dame?
Last time I checked Harbaugh didn't coach a 2-10 team.
Sorry, 4-8. The point remains.
there are rumblings that UM has contacted Urban. there is truth to this according to chris balas...
scoop's back!
Jim Harbaugh is a good kid. Maybe a little misguided on a couple of things, but a good kid. Looks like a pretty good coach, too. Beat those University of Spoiled Children bastards, huh? Lost to the Touchdown Jesus crowd, though. But hey...Good kid. He'd do us proud. Which is better than this dadgum 14.4 connection is doing for me...
miss me. i have been right about every single thing tuhs far!
That's great scoop, but let's keep it quiet. Once people start raving about it, it will eventually make its way to ESPN and Urban Meyer will have to shoot down the rumors, and then we're done.
Harbaugh took over a stanford team that was coming off a 1-11 season and had lost to Navy and SJSU. The program's last winning season was in '01. This year they beat USC and Cal. Personally I think he is doing a hell of a job so far.
JHS - agreed.
@Scoop
What else have you been right about, I can't remember you old predictions.
where does it say RR is staying at WVU? I live in Morgantown and so far there has been no word.
go back and look... then say you are sorry
I don't remember what else you predicted - I never said you were wrong.
@JHS
I'm not saying he's a bad coach. I'm saying he's a massively unproven coach. That win over USC was beyond fluky. They got outgained by like 400 yards and had to convert 2 4th and long plays on the last drive. They won, but it's not something that's really repeatable.
last I saw @ wvmetronews, they said he has a decision to make
I don't think there is any word jaba. I have google news search open and have been running a search for rich rod every 10 minutes. No new news anywhere.
@Jaba
As of right now there is no definitive info that RR is staying or going.
I agree Harbaugh is an unproven commodity as far as DI coaching goes, but I have a feeling a few years from now a lot of programs are going to want this guy as a coach.
AAB - he's not a massively unproven coach. He turned San Diego around ... i know, not D-1, but still, 11-1 his last two seasons. And Stanford sucked, and has for a long time, beating USC was huge no matter what, and he beat Cal too. I want someone who wins big games. That's one reason I'm not that big on RR.
thanks for the update!
FWIW he's more proven than the possible "fall back" option of English.
Whoever coined the phrase "[name here] is rolling around in his grave" doesn't know squat. They do something to you, and even if they didn't, it's too damn tight. But if the phrase were true, I'd be spinnin' until I had total vertigo...
How great would it be if Harbaugh had Cheaty McS's number? Harbaugh played a mind game with Carrol, set him up for the big fall calling his team the best ever in college football history.
I'd love to see Harbaugh getting under Cheaty McWeasel's skin.
I don't care who are next coach is as long as he has Tressel's number, and can kept up the recent success against PSU, MSU, and continue brining beatdowns against ND.
Harbaugh played mind games with Carroll, and came up with a W against the might trojans, not too many other teams can say that the past few years.
JHS, damn straight! And go the the Rose!!
Does anyone find any sort of validity to THE KNOWLEDGE'S claim that Sam Sarkisian is going to be announced as our HC tomorrow?
Because I can't find a shred of information about it.
It's Steve not Sam. We'll find out tomorrow for sure. I'd say there is a .0000000000000000001% chance of that happening. FWIW Pete Carroll said that it was all rumors.
LOL good for Jimmy.
Matt A: No. Over my dead body. Uh...
Dagnubbit. Crisler and Oosterban are on my ass for the 'puter again. 'night all. Les Miles is inbound on January 9th. Mark my words.
Jimmah? jimmmmah!!! Didn't realize emus could travel abroad without being quarantined.
Well, the day has officially come full circle. Got up, didn't know one way or the other about RR; been online all day, still know nothing.
so, did i miss anything in the last 2-3 threads?
Latest post from Eerhole on the WV scout board:
"Michigan officially found out about 1 1/2 hours ago what I told you 6 hours ago."
Guess RR isn't coming.
If Coker is U of M's next coach, I really don't see this transfer being a problem.
Judging by Weinke's performance on film, he wouldn't fit a Coker-style offense.
@ mgobleu
That's not a circle.
It's a dot.
What is with this Coker talk, he is (thankfully) not a candidate.
Mallet transferred to CMU for the bball program
I haven't heard much on this Threet kid, what is the news on him? Can someone fill me in?
Threet is a Michigan native that we initially passed out when we got Mallett. Threet committed to Georgia Tech as a 4 star qb recruit. He transfered back here very quickly knowing that Mallett was supposed to be the next big thing. One very solid potential back up plan.
Threet transfered here from GATech. I think he is a 4 star, played HS ball in the Adrian area, IFRC.
Played some baseball against him growing up, was a couple years younger than I am so I only saw him play football a few times. Really solid QB in high school. Singlehandedly brought his team back from down quite a bit to win at the last second when I saw him his senior year.
that anonymous at 1019 was I
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2007...o-
michigan.html
That is all i can find from brian on it..
Anon & JHS
Thanks. Is he available to play this year? Did he transfer before the season?
Where is all this "Eerhole" proof? I have seen nothing to dispell RR to UM rumors other than the Eerhole rumor.
He stat out this year, will be able to play next year, there are some rumblings that he may give mallett a run for his money as the starter for next season.
From what I've read, in Wisconsin Offense UFR, perhaps? I don't know for sure.
He is a "6'5" statue" aka prototypical Lloyd Quarterback.
@Common Sense
Eerhole has had a history of being correct on certain things. He never named sources in the Bball coaching search either, but his "rumors" were a day ahead of the media on two occasions including announcing michigan contacted coach b and that they reached a deal.
So we're resting the laurels on his consistency when we've paid attention.
We'll see about him giving Mallett a run for his money. I have faith that Mallett will end up being a great QB. I doubt it will be next year so much (transition to new coach, different system) but I think he'll be really good.
If he's still here at the start of the year, that is.
I think Mallet is going to be a good one, but don't sleep on Threet he has the tools and potential to be a winner.
Good point on if he's here. I'd like to hear "indside information" from people around the team that think he's not fitting in. I find it hard to think that people wouldn't like him. The guy appears to know his place. When Chad's out, he gets focused. When he's out, he refers everything to Chad. So he may not have been all that and a bag of potato chips his freshman year in sporadic playing time, oh well. Its understandable. The expectations were unreal from most of us. I hope the same thing doesnt happen to McGuffie... if he is here next year.
I won't sleep on anyone next year. Next year could be disastrous, but we have the potential to have one of those "They lost everybody, they'll be terrible this year" years, and then go out and shock some people. It'd be nice to see who is going to coach us through this raucous occasion though. I really wish Antonio Bass could come back. I know he isn't going to, but he would be one of those playmaker types that we desperately need on this team.
FWIW I don't think Mallet will transfer just based on the fact he has to sit out a year. But if we get a crappy new coach, I can envision a few transfers and some more de-commits.
Brady Hoke = Decommittals Daily
I don't think he'll transfer either, I think he wants to play. But I don't think he's fitting in real well. When he gets down & starts to struggle, it seems like he gets punchy and bitchy. Trademark frosh stuff, but he needs to grow up in a hurry.
It's not Mallets fault Mario couldn't catch this year! :)
I still hold out some hope for RichRod for Mallett's sake. Mallett ran something closer to WVU's game in high school. I don't mean the mobile quarterback, but the spread with more passing and a insanely fast running back to complement. We have a trio (tenatively) that would stack up nicely in RRod's system.
Right, right. He could catch for Henne. (except against tOSU)
Bah. I'm done getting my hopes up-- wake me up when something actually happens. Unless it's Hoke or Debord - then let me sleep for 10 more years.
man, i love spandex... i mean women's volleyball. penn state (who knocked out michigan) is up 2-0 in the championship.
@mgobleu
Manningham didn't have quite as good of a year as he did last year. He couldn't even really catch when Henne threw to him either.
With that, I think if Mallet stays he will do just fine this year.
Without reading the whole thread, was just curious if anyone can supplement Brian's comments with some facts. He says that several kids have committed elsewhere. I follow things pretty closely and have noted none of that, now with the exception of Weinke. Tough situation for the kid, but scholarships for QB's go quick and he did not want to be in a bad spot with nowhere to go, so he went the way he had to. Thanks for the info in advance
I think he's referring to Saddler, Robinson, Baldwin.
I don't think he's talking about verbal commits. I think he's including the guys we were pursuing as well as those guys. I would bet good money that some of our non-verbal recruiting targets defected or dropped michigan from their lists.
Thanks T. Pitt had a fortuitous few weeks, good for Wanstedt.
Manningham would be a top 50 pick if he left this year, but he'd be a top 20 pick if he stays and doesn't go all apeshit on the sidelines again. I hope he stays. He has potential to be Senior Year Bralonesque (plus he could get the 1 and further poop on the memory of Tyrone Butterfield).
I did not word that well.
I think he's referring to our targets, not necessarily only our verbal commits.
Yea I am not concerned about those guys. Make the right hire and we will be problem free. Go sailing on a critical day, we are screwed. Uh Oh.
@Musket
I hope not. Cause then I just totally wasted $75 on a jersey. lol
I wish BM would go sailing out of chicago right now. Its snowing so heavily I can't see out of my condo window. The "seas" look rough too.
Anyone close to the team? Think AA & MM will stay another year?
00goblue00,
You bought a MM jersey? Risky move...
its the unlucky jersey anyways. you should HAVE to replace it.
@T
Well I had it for the entire 2007 season, but still, $75 for a jersey, I want to at least get 2 years out of it!
its the unlucky jersey anyways. you should HAVE to replace it.
formerlyanonymous
This is true. Everytime I wore it, we sucked and he sucked lol.
I think I should not buy anymore jerseys period.
My wife wants a jersey. She asked for #20 or 86. I told her we'll wait and look at the young guys in september.
Go buy a Mike Debord jersey. I would almost find it comical to imagine how much worse he could suck sometimes.
@formerly anon
It could work. If I wore something affiliated with Mike Debord, then maybe it would prevent him from being named....I will finish that thought and not continue. Forgot about the kittens lol
00goblue00
But according to your FB you have "buckets of money" so 75 on a jersey is nothing. Personally I bought a Drew Henson jersey way back when, but I bought it huge and when Chad came around I was lucky enough to still have a No. 7 in the closet. Actually, it is still massive on me, and Henne kind of bugs me at times, but oh well.
@Musket
hahah. I read the buckets of money thing and had to think about it for a minute. Then I got it. It was really a quote from Karen on Will and Grace, but I thought most of it applied :)
Sweet. Not only are we helping coaches get raises and new facilities, but were given um are recruits too!
Damn, I hate it when I love it when I'm right about something like this. There was no way RR wasn't trying to play us.
The only thing more impossible than RR being Michigan's coach, is Meyer being our coach.
And, yes, I've started in on that plate of pot brownies.
I'm trying to look for SOMETHING on the bright side here...is it possible that all of the focus on the coaching search from the media and us outsiders is allowing the team to prepare for the bowl game, unimpeded?
Man, I dont know if its the anesthesia or the coaching search, but something's got me constipated.
Maybe its that 5lb brick of cheese you ate.
ATL Blue,
The bright side is that I get to go flying tomorrow instead of following this damn blog all day, which is what I did today.
I really don't know what to think. I hope Peterson, Kelly, Meyer and Miles are all in play, but deep down I suspect none are. Hopefully the RR thing comes through so I can go back to being productive. My wife already thinks I'm capital L Loser for spending so much time here.
KBlow,
Have one for me,this is way passed depressing.
After this latest debacle Brian Kelly better get an interview!
oddly enough it is that .75 lb block of cheese i had earlier today. it was delicious. can't remember what kind of cheese. Havati or something like that.
eh, hoser
tebow may be out the door after the WiYW bowl since sees about been there, done that, and those...and I think they are real. She wouldn't want to have to take a break if he was injured.
Could help Henne and Hart and yes lloyd footballs poet laureate emeritus in waiting pull the upset and help us right the ship...but alas and egad the Gods are angry...
not to stir up the MtMM or anything but maybe the pontiff knows his ponyboy is leaving the vacitan
I think Brian doesn't like me much.
That would be one creamy gooey cheese. Almost a whole pound, impressive. Summer sausage and crackers to boot no less.
Dances with blog don't you know you are my friend.
havent gotten to the sausage yet. and the crackers were taking too long. but it is a creamy gooey cheese, white. delicious. i'm not crapping til we get a coach. and if he's a shitty coach, he can expect a big brown paper sack of shit on his front door on fire
Nice! Maybe you can send the crackers along with the paper bag.
Flaming Havarti
Does Brian actually comment on here?
I have seen the Wienke kid play many times (coached against him). Would have been a good QB for the Wolverines. Cant blame the young man for wanting to play in an offensive system that might be a good fit for him.
What school?
100% correct. damning. fuck!
Sweet. Not only are we helping coaches get raises and new facilities, but were given um are recruits too!
Chuck Martin (GVSU Mafia) | 12.15.07 - 10:53 pm | #
The commits just want a coach. Some name they can figure if they still fit into the puzzle. Do you blame them?
Yes, I do. you commit to a university, not just a coach. We're looking for Michigan Men, not Lloyd Carr Men, not Les Miles Men, not Kirk Ferentz Men.
Actually, this probably means he's pretty sure that Ferentz is staying at Iowa. Good. Whew!
and makes it pretty sure that Ferentz was recruiting our recruits while MSC and BM were sucking his dick. . .how humiliating!
I disagree about committing to a school FloridaGoBlue. Although I do agree from the sense that you are committing to where you are getting your education, participating socially, getting your degree, etc., he is coming to play football and get his education and those other things. Regardless what order his priorities are in, he wants to play, or at least have the opportunity to play. If an option coach came in lets say, he would be shit out of luck, the coach would probably tell him that, and then he may be up the creek if Iowa or somewhere else used there scholarship on another kid. The option is an extreme example, however this stuff is relevant and does matter. Similarly, we have a kid like David Molk, the center who redshirted. He is undersized from what I can remember, and was likely hyped about the possibility of being in a zone offense. Now he hopefully loves UM, will stay no matter what, and bulked up enough to play regardless. I hope that is the case. However if we brought in a coach with a desire for mammouth lineman, he may be in trouble. I just think these things matter.
ok, now don't you fukkers get it? Ferentz to UM??? - what a load of self-righteous CRAP. he's stealing our recuits, not talking to us about our HC job. jeezus, get competitive and stop the self-righteous bleeding. FCUK! we live in a competive world, stop making it some kind of idealistic pollyana crapfest.. . . . .
Iowa's starting QB is terrible he was like 3/15 against Sparty in regulation. I'm guessing Wienke thinks he can start right away if he goes there. Iowa's OC Ken O'Keefe is Da-Bored like, that offense was painful to watch.
Yup. Maybe it's time hire a coach (although it looks as though RR is the man) Possibly that's why Wienke took off. And that whole PT thing kids care about.
I reiterate an annoying stat:
Rivals Top 100 Recruits 2008:
OSU - 9
UM - 2
Grrrrrr
I've heard from multiple people that Mallet is gone. Apparently, no one on the team is that fond of him and he's too much of a baby (Gasp!). Loeffler doesn't like him, he is extremely uncoachable (See: QB-center exchange) IMHO, not a big loss. Also, from the infamous "someone close to the progam" (actually, someones) Threet was going to beat him out for the job next year anyway, and he didn't want to sit on his ass for the next three years and not get his snaps in.
Are you kidding me? Losing Mallet is a huge loss. The kid has a bunch of raw talent, any moron can see that. Plus, he's not leaving, who says that?
Shit. Just got back from the Christmas party. Why does it feel like Michigan was on the verge of collapse before I left and somehow fell off the cliff while I was gone?
Decommits, talk of Mallett transfer, surrender on RR hope.... Am I missing anything? Shit.
Over at the WV board some claiming to have inside info (not eerhole) say that RR is leaning towards staying but it's not certain.
Talent =/= production. It helps...but if you're mind isn't in it, there is little hope. The guy has almost transferred twice, the second time obtaining the paperwork but changing his mind. So who knows? He's definitely got some red flags on his resume now, which he didn't have when he was recruited. Raw talent can only get you so far in major D-1, but you need to be able to be coached. If you're not willing to listen, then you are not going to get better.
RichRod is not coming. Mallett is not leaving, yet. He'd be stupid to do anything until he talks to the new guy. If he transfers now or in June, it really doesn't make any difference.
What's all this talk of Mallet transferring? Honestly, where does this info come from, I'm really curious? My friend talked to Ryan yesterday and he said he was staying and that he liked it here. Why would he transfer if he is going to be the starting QB for the next 3 years at Michigan? Just because Manningham is a pre-Madonna and talks smack to him doesn't mean nobody likes him.
Hello friends,
Nice to review the day of seemingly unending speculation and negativity following some immersion in the "great white north" today. Indeed, it is more great and substantially more white than usual. It's good to see that the standard ongoing themes have not changed much..."Profiles in Self Loathing and Negativity: UM Fans". If the next coach was hired following the board predictions we get Brady Hoke (HC), Mike DeBord (co-OC) with Stan Parrish (co-OC), Ron English (DC), Andy Moeller (OL coach and team liaison for concurrent disorders) with no discernible special teams coach.
For those of you freaking out about Rich Rodriguez...he might be a reasonable coach at the UM but he's got about as many skeletons as our former favorite Mr. Loose Morals himself. If Rodriguez comes in it likely means 9 to 11 wins a year but I doubt he feels the same Les like need (or Ron English need, potentially) to smack the vest in November. RichRod not exactly dominant against his rival (see: Wannstadt, David and Pittsburgh about Nov/07). Several other examples of this same trend over the past few seasons. This said, RichRod comes in it could work.
I remain content that a reasonable hire comes in on or about January 9, 2008. Book it. The fundraising for the new stadium improvements are immediately upcoming. Nice to see that they are really focussed on the disabled fan experience (just an editorial comment there friends...). Now this money, all $300 million of it has to be donated by someone (i.e., me, or perhaps you) and the prospects of a Hoke hire or DeBord don't add much potential. It is possible that the in-house fall back of Ron English might work out (given the million Lloyd conditions apparently outlined in the hiring process) but more likely, I continue to suspect, is that a name candidate will appear immediately after the bowl season.
Why asks the self-loathing fanbase? "Why clarkiefromcanada would any coach want to come here"? A few thoughts...a) UM has the *ability* to actually pay a reasonable salary (we'll see if they actually do this); b) the new practice facilities and Big House improvements are very appealing; c) you are the "biggest game in town" in the state and you have national reach with incredible alumni support; d)per item c you also have national reach in recruiting and the Block M recruits itself (so imagine what a guy who can recruit well could do here?) e) you're looking at less speedbumps than in the SEC or PAC 10 in terms of potential issues to the BCS since the parity in those conferences is so much greater and f) unlike most college environments it's pretty much impossible to get fired at the UM if you have a reasonable level of success...win a championship nationally and you're set 10 years (they were writing junk on Urban Meyer immediately after the LSU game on the Florida boards...go figure).
So friends, I would stop the worrying too much and everyone, enjoy the holidays. Indeed, let the pressur
Atom - I reiterate that McGuffie and other top recruits of ours are not in the 100...I'm not upset about it.
Fuck all of this. I spend every waking moment of my life thinking about Michigan sports. I have put so much money, time, money, effort, and money into this institution, and I feel like I'm this close to walking away.
Michigan is like the girl of your dreams who you somehow land. Except she cheats on you regularly. And you catch her in the act. And you feel like you can never forgive her. But as soon as she asks, you're right back with her. But you know she's going to fuck you over again. And, sure enough, she does. But you just keep sticking around and taking it. Do you ever stop taking it like a bitch? I don't know. I am not this forgiving in any other situation in life.
@ Mike
I'm just relaying what I've heard from a member of the coaching staff and other players on the team. He's not a sure bet to start for the next three years, or even one year. He's a huge head case, and can't take the pressure that being the UM QB takes (in my opinion, of course, based on the obvious signs on and off the field).
what's a pre-Madonna? I thought it was prima donna? ;)
@ kgh10
Ha! Manningham wasn't even born Pre-Madonna.
@ShouldBeStudying:
I have heard he is a headcase too, but I hope the kid shapes up. No doubt he can be much better than Henne if he gets his head out of his a$$. But he did tell my friend the talk of transfer was bullshit yesterday, so who knows what to believe.
@kgh10:
It's my new term :)
Question for everyone:
Will this all work out in the end?
IIRC, we've had a lot of assholes come in and by their junior and senior years they became great leaders. You wouldn't know it at the time of course, but they become Wolverine greats by the time they enter the tunnel one last time. Braylon and Chris Perry come to mind.
Can we just not have a coaching staff next year? How about the players just go out and play and we see how we do? This would be leaps better than Brady Hoke or the Kitten Killer anyways.
@dangdangdang
Well judging by how good the special teams were, I don't think we need a head coach either.
original Mike, I like it. You should get rights to it though...pretty sure Dennis Green is trying to get rights to "they are who we thought they were!" line.
@Mike
Yeah, obviously unless someone is actually Mallet, then we'll never know. I just hope, if he stays, he can pull a Braylon-like maturation spike in the offseason. I mean, he was obviously awesome in the two games that he was 100% the starting QB no doubt about it, which leads me to believe that he has what it takes to, to an extent. But as soon as he has pressure from others, he folds. Hard. (See: Northwestern) So, who knows? I hope for the best. But I honestly don't think that it would be that terrible if he did transfer, because there are people/a person to take his place who is more than capable. And smart, so you know he can handle a more complicated offense. Threet isn't the most swift-of-foot, but he's quicker than Mallet, and when we bring in a spread attack...game on.
@dangdangdang
Feeling blue. I think we're screwed. I was in the MtMM until this evening. Now based upon new info I am thinking that he's not coming, nor is RR.
Larry Coker or Jim Boccher!
What about this Threet guy, I couldn't find him on rivals? What's his deal, not rated?
dangdangdang
Honestly, if RR isn't coming then I see only two coaches that we can get that will not look like we just settled for someone.
1. Miles (MtMM represent)
or
2. Meyer
I'd be perfectly happy with either of these. Actually, I'd run around East Lansing (I live in Okemos) shirtless with a block M spray painted on my chest screaming "We're gonna eat you fuckers alive for the next 10 years" if we get either of them.
But, the way it looks right now we are slipping dangerously close to falling into a ravine with Nebraska and ND. I don't want to be a national joke (anymore than we are already).
TBG,
What new news is there on Miles? I have been out all night.
You couldn't find Threet? He is in Mallett's class, 4-star recruit.
I say chad henne as OC, mike hart as HC, along with Charles Woodson as a db/DC. True Michigan Men.
Mike
Ctrl+F "Threet" in this thread and you'll get all the info you need. I asked that question early on.
@Musket:
Thank you sir
clarkiefromcanada -
I'm not worried a bit except to the extent Martin is chasing guys with deep emotional and political ties (Schiano and RR) to their current situations.
I want the guy who gets it, from being a Michigan Man to OSU and one who understands that neither is more important than the other. Michigan doesn't need the biggest name coach, they need the coach who becomes one of those names while in the Maize and Blue.
Threet: Transfer from GT, grew up in Albion (i think...) Ranging from 13th QB-17th i think...strong arm. Very coachable...
http://footballrecruiting.rivals...sp?
pr_key=44954
Dude wears diamond earrings. Can't go wrong with that.
*Adrian
Musket - I agree those are really the only two coaches that would make it look like we're not settling. Of course, I would see Miles as a step down from RRod myself, and would prefer the list of two be Meyer and Kelly. But in the eyes of most, I think you're right. Meyer would be fucking amazing.
9th ranked...elite 11 QB.
MR,
I never thought what happened to ND could happen to us. It's actually reminding me a lot of the Horror. It was late in the third quarter when I turned to the guy next to me and asked, "Is it possible we actually lose this game?" Before that, I just thought we were looking abysmal, but I never considered the possibility of failure.
It's now that point late in the third quarter, and I'm realizing that we might be falling into the ND ravine.
Chad Henne and Mike Hart have the same problem with OSU that we have with the same administration. Don't get me wrong, I love them both, but they can't beat OSU either.
Check out his ACT/GPA: 27/4.0
Granted, the 4.0 might be BS, but a 27 is not too shabby...
Eh, they didn't get the luxury of playing a Cooper coached OSU team like Grbac through Henson and all of the RBs in between did.
Well it won't get you into the Honors college, but I think a 27 will get you admitted into Michigan even without the football scholly. Or at least, it used to.
I got into UM with a 27, but that was the year they let a whole bunch of white guys in after the court rulings.
\Good luck at Iowa kid -
I think the last QB they had in the NFL was Chuck Long.//
Which, of course, is a guy that Michigan really should be wooing, as in "aggressively pursuing" as the next head ball coach.
I'm not even kidding, here.
27 is borderline, but it would be worth an application. I think they tell kids that 28 is general sort of cutoff these days.
29 is the average...27 will get you in if you've got other good shit goin for you.
@T It should, especially from Michigan. It's definitely above the cutoff...then with the 4.0 from Adrian...sure! Why not?...
Times have changed in 6 years since applying...damn.
ShouldBeStudying -
You make a good point about Braylon but that doesn't happen, according to him or his father, without Carr.
I see these wish lists thrown around here, mostly based on recent records, but there is so much more to it that Martin and company better get right.
The thing to remember is that Martin needs this to be successful or he risks a bigger problems funding his baby over at Stadium and S Main. He's a smart enough business guy to realize that.
$68M surplus might become new coach's bonus if necessary. Dissatisfied donors = totally unacceptable right now.
Blue
Very true about Carr. I hear he's available...we should go after him...
Damn, this kid looks legit too. Maybe he will give Mallet a run, who knows? Esp. if Mallet keeps up what he's been doing. Word is that he's bangin some senior on the dance team...nice work.
Why would Threet transfer back here if he knew Mallet was here?
I've actually found myself wishing Carr would just stick around longer. We thought it was embarrassing to have him as a coach. Wow, did we underestimate how embarrassing it would be without him. At least he helped develop the players as people, if nothing else.
Mike,
All these kids think they're the shit. They believe they can beat out anyone.
I think she's a junior...I could be wrong.
Threet- I dunno why he transfered here, but I'm pretty sure he didn't like GT. I personally wouldn't go to any school who played Reggie Ball at QB, but that's just me.
ShouldBeStudying -
How about Carr with a new OC who they prepare to take over :)
This coaching search has made me give up autoadmit.com almost completely. That is a huge improvement to my life.
Has anyone heard from Chunks? It's snowing and it's cold and I worry......
Reggie Ball = Cruel joke played upon Calvin Johnson
2nd cruel joke on Calvin Johnson - geting drafted by the Lions.
Blue:
That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world at all...who cares if we have a little egg on our face if results are there. Bring in the New OC/Future HC, and bring the GT DC...mess up the Big Ten and the national scene. What if, since people say he's too young now, Sarkisian as the OCFHC?
More feces.
Musket:
Actually, drafted by the lions with Martz isnt terrible, considering they run the ball -3432098 times a game...now, if he could stay healthy...
Geez, I hope his refrigerator box is insulated......
It's not that it's so embarrassing without Carr. It's that it's so embarrassing without any coach. Once we get a new coach, I'm confident it will be less embarrassing than it was with Carr. I mean...App. State? Really?
with newspapers..........
If RR bails, as appears to be the case, we are in very serious trouble. We are running out of quality options fast, since we are not going after Kelly.
OSU already owns us, is kicking our ass in recruiting this year, and will still get Hale and probably Pryor. Our class will likely only diminish from what it is now, save for pickingup a couple three stars.
There are very few candidates left who will be able to get the job done. Everyone who says don't worry about it, Martin knows what he's doing, we'll have a great coach after the 9th...I don't understand how you can be so confident. We have fucked this up completely. We are going to have to go way outside our comfort zone and get someone too old like Grobe, too young like Sarkisian or Kiffin, or God-forbid, English.
Chunks?.....Chunks?.....Oh, I can't find him.........
GODDAMMIT BILL MARTIN GO GET KELLY. GET HIM NOW. NOW!!!
ShouldBeStudying -
"What if, since people say he's too young now, Sarkisian as the OCFHC?"
From what I know about him, I'd be okay with that...the question is, would he be?
As much as I'd like them to get Kelly, I think it's too early and there are too many coaches out there left to turn us down before we get around to offering it to Kelly....to turn down....
If Grobe is too old than so is Miles...Grobe isn't too old, he might be other things not completely desirable, but if we want Miles, Grobe's not too old.
that sentance was horrible.
Hasn't every NCAA football coach just signed a new contract that includes a Michigan escape clause?
but I think you get the point.
sentence*....yeesh, I should be leaving now.
Rivals recruiting class rankings:
OSU 8
UM 11
They aren't kicking our asses.
I wonder what their deal is with Kelly. I mean you can't dispute what he's done with his teams.
Kelly only if he brings in Martin. If he doesn't bring in Martin, Martin.
kgh10:
Miles was one of the only candidates worth considering at that age. His UM connections and success in the SEC made him a candidate of such overall attractiveness that we could look past his age, 54. We are not going to consider many coaches at that age or older.
Well they have a few 5 stars according to rivals and we don't have any.
More feces.
@ whoever was giving props for repping some girl on the dance team --
the dance team is hit.
Supposedly Kelly is a big time asshole who rubbed Lloyd the wrong way any time they met at conferences and camps. I'm not saying this is a legitimate reason for not going after him, but that seems to be the case.
Plus, his players curb stomped a kid to death at CMU. That is a pretty big PR nightmare.
Rivals is wack, and Scout is half-wack. BooBoo and McGuff are both 5-star prospects. At least Scout got BooBoo right.
five star shmive star...I'm happy with our class as long as we can close out with a few good defensive players and maybe one more o-lineman. I personally think McGuffie and Cissoko, and maybe even Stonum should be 5-stars.
Kelly has a lot going against him. Too much going against him. And would we really want a coach that MSU turned down? IT'D BE ENDLESS...
Debord's players, Musket. Kelly didn't recruit those players.
I live near CMU and Kelly did not handle that very well, but then again, how many coaches have to "handle" that situation? Besides in Miami?
Musket - Mike Debord's players curb stomped a kid to death at CMU, Kelly just walked into that shitstorm.
Musket:
Don't look at total numbers. Look at quality. OSU is crushing us in terms of the number of Rivals top 100 recruits. Their overall class rank is close to ours because they have relatively few scholarships to give and we have many. The average quality of their commits is higher than ours, and they are leading for Hale and Pryor--a top 5 recruit.
They, in fact, have a decided recruiting advantage over us right now.
damn, I'm late on everything haha.
Murl - agreed. Quantity means nothing - some years you have bigger classes and some years smaller, but each year you have the same number of kids on the roster. Average stars is the best way to judge a class.
Right...and Kelly was left to try to explain how "his" players were involved...and they were only charged at the time, not convicted, so he basically made a non commital comment
MusketRebellion -
Kelly has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, from coaches to administrators.
Yes they have a great class..but get over it. We do too. Chill out please.
kgh10
"Mike Debord's players curb stomped a kid to death at CMU, Kelly just walked into that shitstorm."
Can we trust his judgment, then?
Sorry kgh.
Kelly said something like "let's not convict them before the jury does" type of comment and it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way when everyone KNEW they did it....
Shouldbestudying - annnd why should we be taking advice from MSU on how to hire a coach? If MSU didn't want him, then freakin sign him up!
Oh come on SbS. Like a coach who takes a job with a new team can peruse every player on that team for moral fiber before he takes the job. It's the job of the coach who recruited them to keep the criminals out.
As far as the recruiting goes...it helps that OSU has "a little extra incentive, wink wink nudge nudge" to draw players. Like new practice facilities, right? I'll go as Maurice Clarette and THE Ohio State Penitentiary...one moment...
and he didn't suspend them as quick as some thought he should....
for what T?
OSU has a great class and a top 5 coach. We have a good class, no coach, and dwindling coaching options. Not good.
recruiting is an enormously over-scrutinized aspect of college athletics. ND put two top-ten classes on the field all season this year. The junior class for Iowa this year was a top-ten class. West Virginia's classes are hardly even on the radar.
Sure Kelly should take some heat, because he obviously didn't keep them under control...but it's a lot easier to keep the criminals out than to control them once they're in. The bulk of the blame clearly belongs with Debord, and Lloyd had no problem being best pals with him.
If MSU didn't want him, then freakin sign him up!
HA! Good call...I'll write the contract...
/still don't want him, but hilarious nonetheless...
@T
Totally kidding about the judgment skills...of course he didn't know the moral capacities of the players. Just wanted to rip the guy...somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
And some thought that when he suspended them indefinitely that he was being too harsh. Sometimes you cannot win in certain situations...I really don't see why everyone looks at this as such a big issue.
Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come through in text late at night. :-D
And didn't a top 10 team lose to appy state? not that they aren't good (see: 3 straight), but come on...
They were DeBord's recruits but as soon as you assume the coaching duties at a university they become your players and it is your responsibility to make sure that they don't act out. Now I can see certain offenses, but they CURB STOMPED A MAN TO DEATH. That is a monumental shitstorm for a reason. I agree that DeBord recruited classless assholes, but it still happened under Kelly's tenure.
He also basically said that "black people don't like the cops" which may be true, but you can't say something like that when you are the HC for a university.
true that Musket......
team--> class...whoops.
ahaha it's ok...I wasn't mad at anyone, just more mad at myself for sucking and repeating everyone else's points. Not on my A-game tonight.
SBS,
Exactly. The ability to motivate the kids you've recruited and to prepare them to execute on the field is far more important than recruiting abilities. If course, you want every advantage you can get, but to be concerned about our recruiting class right now is a big short-sighted. These kids will be around for four years (if that). I hope we hire a guy that will be around much longer than that--at least I hope it's a guy that I want to be around for longer than that. I say get the coach right. If I could trade every recruit from this class for a guarantee that we'd get a home-run coach, I wouldn't think twice about it.
Alright, well I'm out, so I'll stop making your points for you. :-D Big 8-hour final tomorrow. Have a good night guys!
kgh10 -
It's a big issue because it's not the only issue. He's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in the last 5 years or so. I don't know if their reasons are valid but I have heard that from a lot of people in the state.
Some of the rubbing might be the rubbee at fault. I know CMU people were furious that he didn't stick around for the bowl game last year. On that one, I think, deal with it, CMU.
Gotta get some sleep...2 finals over the next three days...Can I run for 50 hours + 3 sleeping + 15 Red Bulls? We'll see...
ShouldBeStudying -
Of course you can do it...I did it many terms in a row, minus the Red Bull.
dangdangdang -
Yeah, the bowl game is another issue. He handled that really poorly in my mind...telling CMU to deal with it is one thing, but leaving your players without a damn clue or concern is something entirely different. He should have had it wrapped up before his press conference in Ohio instead he went down there with no idea or sense of responsibility to his team.
Where is Jamie Mac - he usually has some inside issue on this kind of stuff.
I'm going to disagree with you Blue23...I don't care if he "rubbed people the wrong way"... I don't even know what that means b/c people say it a lot but it really doesn't mean much. What could he have done? Been a jerk? Stolen someone's recruits? Uh, the first thing doesn't matter and the second one is impossible.
Looking at the situation, these kids with no previous track record of violence or criminal activity (even prior to CMU) killed a guy in the summer after BK's first season. I woulnd't blame it on DeBord for recruiting improperly (b/c they didn't have any run-ins with the law previously) and I can't see how it's Kelly's fault if these kids wanted to go all Rambo one summer night. Is he gonna give them curfews in the summer, saying they can't go out to bars or anything? What can you do? What would you do?
Whoever the coach turns out to be, I just hope he keeps Gittleson. I love watching division 1 athletes look slow and weak.
Coach Git is gone no matter what, I beleive. There have been rumors of him retiring when Lloyd does.
Back on to the RR topic. Does anybody actually think he is coming? I don't know if he is or not, but personally am leaning towards him not coming. He's a great coach, don't know if he'd fit in at UM very well stylistically, but he could be the exact change that we need. What are other people's thoughts?
MR,
I think RR is exactly what we need.
And I think he's not coming.
I was so excited yesterday and this morning. Now, I'm waiting for the next hot rumor that will inevitably break my heart. But I'm already over RR. That would've been a jackpot.
While RR might not run a typical michigan offense (pro-style) it would be nice to see some of the teams we play get gashed by a running qb. I am tired of seeing michigan get shredded
@Musket
I don't think he is coming, but you already knew that lol.
SOMEONE at CMU must have been recruiting classless assholes, because as a student there, there's definitely some thuglife presence on the football team.
Then again as a mid-major, you gotta do what you gotta do.
3 finals in the next 3 days: I WIN!
...Balls...
Get shitfaced the night(s) before you take them. It makes things so much more interesting when you're holding back puke while writing an essay about Keynesian policy.
00goblue00
Yes, yes I did. I think he's as good as gone, probably because we low balled him. We probably had him hook line and sinker after the traditional "Michigan tradition" talk, but then said "And we'll pay you 45 grand and get you a sweet Ford Focus.
NO essays here, just engineering......even better
i'm out....waiting for noon tomorrow when supposedly RR is making a decision
@Musket
I dunno. A Ford Focus? That should seal the deal right there lol.
How much weight from snow can a refrigerator box hold? Still worrying about Chunks.........
kgh10 -
I don't know the guy, I know some coaches, boosters and others related to athletics. They don't mention the player incident at CMU, they have different issues. I don't think any of them are particularly huge. But it seems that his general reputation is negative...that's why I said he rubs people the wrong way.
If Chunks were here, he'd give us some guidance.....or at least tell someone to blow him.....
00goblue00
I made that joke, then remembered that that is what I drive. Then was depressed. Then remembered that I'm not making 1.5 - 3 million a year and that a Focus is a pretty decent car. Much better than a Lloyd Carr at least.
What is happening tomorrow at noon? Another RR presser? Maybe, for once, sleeping on it will work in our favor.
Fuck, why am I getting excited again?
who said there is a noon presser?
@ dangdangdang
You are right. Michigan football is a smokin' hot chick and I will always forgive her for screwing me over. Dammit, I'm too invested
dang
Don't get excited. I have serious doubts that its going to happen. But what do I know? Answer: Nothing.
For those holding out hope for Miles read MountaineerKenny's post over here:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=1...8&t=1661064&
p=2
that bitch....why do I want her so bad?
John Navarre Wanker - Iowa can have him.
DIVEST DUDE!
@Musket
There is nothing wrong with a focus. It's actually a nice car and drives pretty nicely too.
Dude, let's go get some Colombians.
Stop trying to make me feel better dangdangdang. This coaching thing is killing me
Where is Chunks when you need him?........that's right, sleeping in a refigerator box in an alley, huddled under newspapers, eating food from a trash can.....damn hobos....
KKCM,
I haven't seen you on here in a while. You are the only actual reliable source of info. What do you have for us tonight? Please let it be good news.
thinking only of themselves.....
and of survival....not about the important shit, like our next coach.....
damn you Chunks....and hobos in general.......
MGoBlog message board carbombs?
Or should I say, MGBMBCB Bombs?
I prefer the ford focus wagon. Talk about a chick magnet!
Also, I do not think RR will come. I do not think UM will come, but that is a different topic. I do not think LM will come.
I wish one of those three would. LM first, UM 2nd and RR third. This search is just depressing.
Please Bill, "all i want for christmas is a great new coach, a graat new coach, a great new coach..."
I hope we wake up Christmas morning to an amazing, unexpected hire. It's probably driving old Bill crazy as he tries to keep the secret until the 25th. He wants to show us, but he can't. He knows how much we love surprises. Old Bill is such a wild one.
@MStudent
What happened to you? Get back on your optimistic streak. Put up your signs and scream we want Les we want Les!
Fuck it. Lets hire Al Pacino. All he needs to do before every game is give that awesome "inch" speech from Any Given Sunday and there is no way we can lose.
I drive the Focus sedan and other than my parent's golden retriever it is the obvious reason why my girlfriend is with me. It does drive rather nicely though.
Find out where Pacino lives, and fire up the flight tracker.
Interstate MGBCB bombs
The hatchback is quite versatile actually, and could haul case upon case of hair product for Rita Rod.
Let's do it. Who on here has the interest and available resources to fire up an Irish Car Bomb right now?
I do.
00goblue00- I am trying so hard to be optimistic. It just seems that as each day passes, to put it bluntly, that Michigan is kicking me in the nuts.
Like i'm supporting a lost cause. I don't want to lose commits, I dont want to hire a shit coach.
I just want Les or someone like UM. But LM is pissing me off as I keep thinking about it.
Ugh, I was about to put up that sign today on the Big House. Except I'd change it to "Accepting Applications"
no supplies
Why is he pissing you off? Would you leave when you were playing for an NC or would you try to wait it out?
You should think of it as each day that passes and we get closer to the NC it could be one day closer to him coming here.
Just saying, you are the one who was always so optimistic on him. I think you need to get back on that wagon, immediately.
Rita Rod looks like a trailer park beauty contestant.
He needs to get back on the Focus Wagon.
At my Christmas party tonight, we did one of those gift-exchange games where you either steal from someone or go to the "tree." Those always get ridiculous. I made sure I was good and sauced up beforehand, so I could really act like a fool. Anyway, I walked away with a fifth of Bailey's and a fifth of Jameson. I've got Guinness here already.
P.S. You suck.
@Musket
Exactly. Although do you think a focus is big enough for the MtMM. A Commander would be more appropriate with the 3rd row seating and all...can hold 8 passengers. lol
I think Rita Rod is totally hot in a trashy sort of way.
I am still, my frusteration is just showing. I wish this search was like a fast food restaurant. I choose what I want and get it in a matter of minutes.
Ok, i'm changing my tune....as my old junior hockey coach said "Enthusiasm is the electricity of life...how do you get it? Act enthusiastic until it becomes a habit"
I am working on it. I just cant take all of these different candidates. It makes me think if I can settle on that. Yikes!
Dude, look at your face.
By the way, KKCM, your fiance says she is expecting a check from you, not the other way around.
@Mstudent
Good things come to those who wait. The longer we wait, the better the coach. Hang in there!!
No other takers on an MGBMBCB Bomb?
Wanker doesn't fit in Debord's offense.
RR is stayin' in WV. He's dating his cousin.
Debord is our man.
00,
I hope to God that cliched line applies here.
She's out of luck. Last time I was in Vegas I layed a boatload of money on who the new Michigan coach is going to be. I had money on Les. It looks like that money is lost
00goblue00- thanks. I needed someone to settle me down. I think i'm going to go drink a few beers, watch a movie, then sleep in till about 2 pm
@dangdangdang
haha I know. I'm even starting not to buy the crap I'm trying to sell.
Trying to remain optimistic but that last post even made me laugh.
Rumor out of Schembechler Hall is that Butch fucking Jones is interviewing for the job Monday.
WE WANT KELLY/MARTIN!
Sometimes, I think, "When did this happen to us?"
Then I look back at the last few years and say, "Man, I should've seen this coming."
@MSTudent
it will all work out, and if it doesn't you won't be the only one who is pissed off.
But we can't really control the outcome of this so it's better not to get all worked up over shit we can't control. Easier said than done I know but, hang in there!! :)
True that. I hate not having any control over this. Not that i'd do any better
In all honesty, is this all fake and the AD is just waiting until the bowls and or the NFL regular season is over? Or is it possible that Michigan is that bad at finding a coach?
Whatever. This is how it would go down if I was boss of this mess:
I would make a list of candidates
I would rank those candidates
I would call the guy who tops the list
I would ask him, "How much?"
I would offer him the number that he says
I would be a hero for hiring the best mother fucker in the country
@MStudent
nah. You would've gone and gotten us our damn strong coach from the get go! Well at least thats what I would have done.
I think it's completely possible that Skipper is not sweating a damn thing because he has something pretty much lined up for after the bowl season. I also think it's possible that none of these assclowns are getting offers, rather, just interviews. It is possible that this has all been a smokescreen. And I don't think that's too much of a stretch at all.
But I don't think any of that is really happening.
Actually we could've done better. If I was AD I would have said "Lloyd, wait until after the bowl game to announce you were retiring." Then after Lloyd left my office I would have called Les Miles and said, "I know you've got a DAMN strong football team down there, but the job is yours. Money will not be an issue, and we want you to go win that NC."
Then after Les walked all over OSU in the NC I would have met him in the locker room, given him a new ill-fitting hat and a contract. Then flown him up to Ann Arbor and had the press conference that night. If Lloyd got pissed I'd just read him some poetry in bed, that would ease his worries.
you'll be thinking otherwise when Belichek is wearing a ratty michigan hoodie on the sidelines next year
@ Musket
Then after Les walked all over OSU in the NC I would have met him in the locker room, given him a new ill-fitting hat.
More Les porn lol.
You know, MR, I bet Cap'n never gave Les an ill-fitting M hat. That was probably the deal-breaker. Les was like, "What the fuck is wrong with this seamen? He doesn't know a damn thing about me."
KKCM,
I want to live in your world. (I'm really tempted to follow this with one of those winking punctuation guys)
Good morning fellow MtMM members. So are we having fun yet?
You can have the Les porn. I'll stick to worshipping him on our sidelines for the next 10 years.
@Wolverine in MA
haha not really. just sayin the usual.
Is the Les thing really over, or is he still in play?
wima,
Want to do a car bomb?
Yeah that's what it seems like. But what would you expect? So is it snowing there in MI yet?
Word is that Les did not say no to us and that we have left the offer on the table. We also told him that we would not sit back and wait for him. But, at any point in our search, he can accept.
Why am I telling you this? You know this.
@Musket
Sounds like a plan ;) haha. kidding kidding.
@Dang
I have heard all of that except the "We also told him that we would not sit back and wait for him part." Heard that we are compiling a backup list just in case come Jan he has a change of heart and decides to stay at LSU, but M is willing to wait for him.
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So what was this RR thing then?
I had heard both ways. The not-waiting route seemed more logical because M's gotta take care of M. It might be better if we are like, "Listen, treat us like a whore because we sucked pretty bad a couple of weeks ago," though.
@KKCM
I honestly have no idea. Could have been a backup and it leaked. I really couldn't tell you.
I am headin out though.
Goodnight everyone.
KKCM
Us not wanting to look like we were sitting around waiting for Les.
RR was about getting someone other than Les Mile's name in the press. A diversion.
So discussion, no offer? I think that's reasonable. I'll wait.
wima,
The end of your handle makes all of your comments on this hard to take at face value. You have to say that because of the office you hold. But do you believe it?
From what it sounds like we probably low-balled him. Just enough to sound like we offered, but not enough for him to leave his alma mater. We can't just talk to people, although us getting turned down left and right definitely doesn't look very good.
No i seriously believe it for a few reasons.
Do say more.
MtMM is a DAMN STRONG mafia!
I too am still on board.
I think that there are too many influential people involved to just blow off the idea of LM.
I think that's legit. A lot of people whose opinions matter are pushing that one hard.
Who's worse? A Les Miles in Ann Arbor for the 08 season, or a Bobby Petrino in Arkansas for the 08 season?
Or did Petrino just take care of Les like we took care of USC this year?
It's been said over and over on here that the AD needs a coach that is going to provide a buzz so that the big money donors keep contributing. Take into account his back ground and it just makes sense.
So, in a percentage, how certain are you that Les will coach this team next season?
I think the Petrino thing is worse because he left his team with 3 regular season games to go and he doesn't have any history with arkansas.
I'm not super optimistic about Les, but I remain in the until-someone-else-is-hired-it's-him camp.
What about Oregeron? He's available
OYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYYYOOOYOYYY FOOTBALL!
Oh God, the Orgeron video is amazing.
It is so funny that it's BARBARIC!!!
If I had to put money on it I'd say 75%. I say this because I think he holds all the power in the negotiations. If he doesn't have a deal in place then the longer it goes, he'll have more leverage to get what he wants out of UM.
So now Les Miles rumors that WERE MADE UP IN THIS VERY COMMENT SECTION are being believed as if they're sourced?
God help us, this is sad.
That Coach O song has been in my head for like five straight days, and that's a good thing.
I hope you are right, wima. I really, really do.
YOYOYOYOYOYOYO YO YO FOOTBALL.
We are all entitled to our own opinion. Thats all. I'm not trying to persuade anyone.
I hope someone else fired up car bombs, otherwise I'm rocking them solo.
I want to be persuaded so I can fall asleep tonight.
I'm going to hit half a doz soon, KKCM.
ha ha unfortunately I don't think there will be an announcement any time soon
Les Miles is not going to be coaching at UM next year.
I wish we could get RR, but that seems unlikely now.
I know. This search is cutting years off my life. And following this damn message board on my Blackberry has nearly gotten me in several car accidents. That could really impact my life span.
Seriously? Thats a good amount. you better check yourself in the morning. I hear it might be damp
YOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOFOOTBALL
I'm not ruling anyone out until I see the new head coach being formally introduced.
I tend to feel good about the Miles situation for some of the reasons that were laid about in this comment section, but they were things I was thinking about beforehand. It makes sense to talk to other coaches, especially since we have so long to go before the NC. We can't just sit idle because that would hurt Les a lot. The closer we get to the NC, the better.
That's another reason why I believe that the RR thing is a smokescreen, there's probably an offer on the table, but it isn't something that will be accepted.
Alright, bedtime, we're supposed to get 8 - 10 inches here tonight. Glad I don't have to shovel anything.
Not if the temperatures stay low enough. I'm sleeping on the back deck tonight, one arm stretched out to scratch at the screen door.
I have no idea about Miles but it would be really funny if that last call that Martin made, the one Les said was about consulting with them on their coaching search, was actually consulting with him on how to cover up a deal.
And besides, Do has got the bug now.
I think that makes more sense than asking him his advise on other coaches.
Good point
Any coach's number one professional goal will be to win a MNC. No one could blame Les if he said, "Listen, I am not going to risk this thing. Don't drag me into any coaching mess. I'm not going to talk to you until after the game."
"But definitely give me a call. In the meantime, if you know what's good for you--and me--conduct a damn search, and make it kind of leaky."
With the recruiting "dead period" starting on monday there is no advantage to naming a coach right now.
Yes, it does make more sense and it would also be funny in retrospect.
Other than the sanity of the frequenters of this board. Did you read any of the shit that was happening here earlier today? People are starting to lose it.
Absolutely
KKCM, we totally should've fired up interstaters this weekend. It was prime quad-state circumstances.
Alright, I'm off. It's been a pleasure.
Talk to u guys later.
Did any of you read that link I posted to the WV Scout board up-thread? MountaineerKenny claims to have an ex-player contact who says Miles is the guy.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=1...8&t=1661064&
p=2
Blue,
I did check that out earlier. The info is pretty consistent with other stories floating around recently. Any validation of this sort is a good thing.
If Tressel beats Miles again, does Miles lose any appeal in our eyes? I've struggled with this one.
Wow 46 visitors? That's a record low of-late. No new post is there?
If Tressel destroyed Miles (like Urban destroyed Tressel) then in my mind he would lose some appeal.
Personally, I could deal with miles regardless, but there are other coaches I'd much rather have.
I would take him regardless, but it would be nice if he could give Tress a nice asswhooping on his way.
Hell I'm rooting for them to destroy OSU, 41-14 has a nice ring to it.
Anyone else in Chicago tonight? Holy fuck snow.
Lot of snow by me too (Cleveland-Akron area).
Possible ten inches tommorow in MI, I heard.
It is evil in Chicago tonight.
Chitown,
Definitely coming down tonight. I live in Logan Square and we have to have gotten about a foot of snow.
And, to add to that, I just had about 10 police cars pull up across the street from me. Crazy night here.
**up earliest!**
I still think MtMM is a joke. More or less likely than Meyer? About the same. But significantly less desirable.
Drew Sharp sucks.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...8/1054/
SPORTS06
Yeah Drew, Jay Bilas has a really unbiased perspective of the U-M basketball program considering his best friend got fired a few months ago.
Martin had beter be adding about $300K and two years to whatever we offered RR. He needs to close that.
Hey, what time is the Sarkisian press conference, because today's supposed to be the day, right?
[not inside info - just sarcasm related to earlier prophacies]
Blue23's comment from last night (below) hits an interesting point. So far we seem to have offered to only 2 guys (other than LM?) who have very strong reasons not to come ... Schiano is waiting for PSU, and RR is from WVU. Presumably our offers have been low ball? Makes you wonder how sincere we've been with them. Lends credence to the conspiracy theory that we're just keeping the house warm until Les arrives. Yeah, I know, that's way out there. Using RR as a smokescreen ... I didn't think so a couple days ago.
But deep down I believe BM may be even more evil genius than any of us could imagine. Evil in a good way.
I mean c'mon, it really doesn't make sense to me that if MSC is going to go with BM to meet RR that we wouldn't have brought a package guaranteed to deliver RR here. If MSC/BM are feeling the pressure that we think, and they've RR on the hook, I don't think for a second that they'd let him off if they really want him.
Maybe, just maybe, this stuff about keeping some current staff is really what's going on, and its scaring people away. But I doubt it. MSC/BM know that a bad hire here is absolute disaster for M. They will not take that risk. If there is one thing Michigan will not do, it is take a stupid risk, WITH EVERYTHING ON THE LINE.
I'm starting to suspect there is a grand master plan here.
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I'm not worried a bit except to the extent Martin is chasing guys with deep emotional and political ties (Schiano and RR) to their current situations.
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Blue23 | 12.16.07 - 12:00 am | #
Drew Sharp is an idiot. Yup. "Michigan is having a down year in football and basketball. They should be ashamed of themselves." How can we sleep at night, having to support such a ridiculous university who can't win every sporting event their teams enter? Sheesh. We suck.
Killing time until the Pats' kick-off today...wondering what the University of Michigan will do to destroy my dreams on this day.
Johnny S - hang on buddy. I lost my faith a few days back (still have HOPE though!) ... but strangely I'm starting to sense some faith returning.
You know we're gonna put in an offer to Meyer, right? He fits the pattern of what we've seen so far. And, he's got this thing for M.
And Les is More.
And who didn't spew their morning coffee a week or two back when Lloyd, referring to Meyer in the bowlgame conf. call, said something like "I've always liked Urban Meyer ... he represents all that's good about college football."
I almost choked on my tongue. WTF? Most of us here couldn't stand that smarmy little weasel. Now I'd love to see him here.
As soon as I heard Lloyd said something that like that, I thought it was clear that M would make a push for him.
In reading what was posted overnight, I have to say that I also thought this was a smokescreen in the beginning.
However, if we lowballed RR, he would simply reject the offer and that would be that. That is not the case here. He met with his AD early yesterday afternoon, supposedly worked things out from what the WVU boards are saying, yet still has not put out the denial yet. The only thing that could mean is that he is really pondering this, and hopefully Martin came back and sweetened the deal.
Again, I still don't understand the timing of this whole thing, and the associated leaks. It puts everyone involved in a bad position.
Yeah, I don't REALLY believe RR was a smokescreen. But I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility. And it is really interesting that we've gone after guys who have strong emotional reasons to turn us down.
T:
The chances we get Miles or Meyer are the same -- zero or close to zero.
We are probably going for an NFL coach (Cameron, Kiffin) or BCS coordinator (Sarkisian) now. There are few, if any, solid BCS HCs left as potential candidates since we are so particular about perceived character issues (Petrino, Kelly) and are not willing to pay top dollar. To get any of those solid BCS HCs, like a RichRod or Meyer, UM would have to overwhelm them with cash--make them an offer they can't refuse--and that is not happening. We would sooner go to a second-tier college HC within our budget, like Petersen at BSU or Edsall at UConn.
Quick breakdown:
Big 10: Only coach who is a possibility is Ferentz, and he appears to be out of the mix.
Big East: Only coach who is a possibility is RichRod, and he appears to be out of the mix. Jury obviously still out. Damn them for not looking at Kelly. That could haunt us for a decade, but I want to believe they have a good reason for passing on him...
Big 12: No coaches are a realistic possibility. Leach is the only one even remotely possible, and he is too much of a "black hat" guy for UM. Plus his teams don't run or play D. I don't see UM considering him as a candidate.
PAC 10: Tedford is the only possibility, but he is not leaving the Bay Area.
SEC: No coaches are possibilities, unless you are one of those loons who think Miles and Meyer are in play.
ACC: Grobe is the only realistic candidate that I can think of. Maybe someone else can think of one.
I may have missed someone, but there do not appear to be many, if any, top BCS HC candidates who are realistic prospects. So either we start looking at second-tier college HCs, top college coordinators, or NFL guys (likely course of action) or Martin convinces that powers that be that we need to up the ante and overpay ($3-4M a year range) for a top BCS guy (not likely).
See you guys on the 9th! Keep the faith.
Jim Boccher anybody?
Lane Kiffin - Raider coach, ex-OC for USC and monster recruiter.
Young and would be a great face for the franchise
Kiffin is solid. Big question would be what guys from USC could he bring. I would assume Ed Orgeron would potentially come with him, and as an assistant he is great, despite the absurd dialect he speaks. If he could get sarkisian and or ken norton, that would be tremendous. I also think he would keep English and a guy like Fred jackson.
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press conference at undisclosed location
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at time that only those in the know know
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password is "give me hoke or give me death"
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sark will be our coach today
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if a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears it, did it fall?
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yes
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Jimbohanna:
You are right on with the Lane Kiffin call. I would bet my house that he is at or near the top of our list if RichRod says no.
so, any word on the cotract that was 'offered' to RR?
Will need mobile type QB's when the next coach comes in whether Rodrieguez or Miles. No loss.
DanK:
No word. We are fools if we offered him less than $3M a year. He is a top 15, if not top 10, college coach.
is RR dead dead, or just mostly dead?
/Princess Bride
DanK:
Great PB call. BM is the Dread Pirate Roberts.
CNN Si's "Truth and Rumors" says that Jim Harbaugh's brother John, who is a secondary coach for the Eagles, is interviewing for the UCLA HC job. Huh?
Inca:
Or that WE are pondering it.
Kiffin would be solid, I doubt it would be Cam unless he wins a game at least. It's easier to hire a 2-14 washout then then an 0-16 one.
Trgovac would be the only NFL coordinator likely to get a real look, though the fact that he hasn't interviewed (to public knowledge) despite being assured to take it if offered throws up some flags on where he may stand.
If Heacock were a few years younger I'm sure he'd get a serious look. I'd say we look at Sarkisian, Oklahoma's OC then English again.
Jimbohanna:
I agree Kiffin is our next go-to-guy. Has he been linked to UCLA at all--I feel like that could be a job he would go after too, because despite his initial midwest ties (Minnesota), he has been in California for a long time. Hopefully UCLA hones in on Rick Neuheisel as I've been hearing...
This is all assuming the RR stuff is over--I think that he is still in play and thinking very deeply about this. (and I know your feelings on RR Jimbo--I just don't agree)
My list right now:
1. RR
2. Kiffin/Peterson (assuming Kelly is off-limits)
3. Venables and other big time college Coordinators
My paltry 2 cents:
I am also less worried than previously and am somehow slightly more encouraged that BM can pull this off. Sure, we looks like buffoons now and may lose a few recruits, but this hire could mean decades of solidity--definitely no need to be hasty now. Maybe age has given me a sense of calm peace about this.
The thing with RichRod using UM to get issues with his current AD resolved doesnt make sense (he played this one and only card last year). I really think he wants this job but is naturally conflicted to leave his alma mater even if it is a step up (he obviously respects the opinion on Don Nehlen who said that "Michigan football is as good as it gets").
And while I dont think it is per se a smokescreen I think they are playing hardball with him to gauge his REAL interest. This means someone else big may be in play. I see this stuff all the time as a headhunter.
Michigan is not desperate, yet. Also agree that they are reaching into the ranks of non-BCS schools and the NFL at the coordinator level (and I agree with that strategy).
Finally, as time moves on and they continue to plod along--it does lend credence that they have an ace in their pocket as a worst case scenario backup. Ron English will NOT be our coach next year--and he knows it.
I now do think BM understands the import of this hire. Will he hit a home run---the jury is still out. We hold a lot of cards in this deal---you may not feel that way and I know the media thinks we're inept--but this is an elite job and will only go to a candidate of excepional calibre.
It's the 4th quarter, but there is ample time to score the winning TD. I feel in my maize and blue we will prevail.
Talking about Miles on Sports Reporters right now
Now, Kiffin really turned Oakland from OMG WE'RE WORSE THEN THE LIONS to just bad. He might decide to give it another go after the year if they finish strong.
Willie:
I agree, much more encouraged right now. Maybe we are like Mike Hart during the MSU game...just laughing at the rest of the country thinking they have us all down, even though there is enough time for two easy touchdown drives.
RichRod's contract at WVU runs until 2013 and his salary over the term averages out to $1.9M per year.
BM needs to say here is $3M a year for five years. No nickel and diming, just here is a cool $3M. We want you as our next coach. I have to believe that would get it done.
wtf is all this smokescreen/BM has something better up his sleeve nonsense?!?! seriously, are you kidding? there's just no way. RR as some kind of smokescreen, because meyer is really coming?! some of you people need to seriously get a grip, that just isn't happening.
i'm still holding out 5% hope on RR - am glad that there was no public announcement he's staying yet. maybe BM made a coutneroffer good enough to at least make RR ponder overnight about it. yeah maybe that's delusional, but: i admit is a 5% hope, which is 4.999999999^ more of a shot that UM walks through that door
My guy said Urban Meyer talks have begun. RR is still on the table. Miles also still on the table.
Ryan:
Don't discount the fact that Kiffin plays for an insane, high maintenance owner and may not want to do that anymore. Also, Kiffin and his agent realize that he is a hot college HC prospect right now (Arkansas was interested in him), but that if he sticks with the Raiders for a couple more years and they continue to suck (which will be the case), he will not be nearly as attractive--for either pro or college jobs.
He interviewed for the Minnesota HC job last year and did not get it. I think he would rather be a HC at a solid college program like UM and perhaps jump back to the NFL later in a better situation than he is in now.
He is not being discussed as a candidate for the UCLA job.
BILG
Your guy is talking again?
Yeah I love how a lot of people here discount the possibility of a counteroffer by us. Maybe Rodriguez gave indication to us yesterday he was leaning towards staying...so we consider putting together a more attractive package.
Its all negotiation. Hopefully we aren't duped.
"My guy said Urban Meyer talks have begun. RR is still on the table. Miles also still on the table."
I give up: UM, LM, why not toss belichuk and dungy in the mix too, if you're going to live in fantasyland?
some of you guys are just seriously deluded and in for a big letdown
BILG:
How do we know you are the real BILG?
Also:
I do think some smokescreening is purposefully occurring.
My evidence: the crap the Angelique Chengelis is spewing. She is well connected to UM and Lloyd and probably knew when Brian did that Lloyd would retire but felt obliged not to say anything.
So, IMHO she is be told to put out this "Hoke would be fine coach at Michigan" garbage. Who in their right mind would actually believe this nonsense?
It is clear to me know she is mostly a talking head for Michigan football to further their agenda (even if it one of disinformation).
I guess its not the real BILG?
seriously - RR is a smokescreen? how the hell could you conclude that, without any ridiculously unlikely leaps in logic? ever hear of occam's razor?
for you smokescreen guys, how do you think this would really work, in reality? do you tell RR "ok you're going to be our smokescreen, so pretend you're interested and in return maybe you can bend your AD over for more cash, got it?". or do you not let RR in on the smokescreen, and just competely waste the time of one of the country's top coaches just as a "smokescreen"?
i'm curious - all you smokescreen guys, explain potential details of the mechanics of how this is working?
STOP TALKING ABOUT URBAN MEYER. (sorry for the "yelling" but this is annoying)
Even if any of this is true I don't want to hear about it unless there is a press conference in Ann Arbor announced. So please please please if you have inside information about Urban Meyer keep it to yourself and keep us all from being disappointed (Even though most of us won't even believe it).
I for one dont think RR is a smokescreen--if he accepts then the search is over (it may take some back and forth to get to that point though). I dont think MSC and BM would meet with him AND his wife if they werent very serious about offering him the job.
I was saying that they dont feel desperate and want him to demonstrate a genuine desire to be Michigan's next HC. In other words, they have sold him on the job, he needs to sell them on his candidacy. I dont think the money is an issue as others have contended.
I do feel the dept is putting out some diversionary screens to keep their real agenda under wraps. And I would expect this level of duplicity from a competent search committee.
My assumption is that the leak about the RichRod meeting was accidental, and it has now put RichRod in a difficult position. His people at WVU are clearly pissed after what they went through with him and Alabama last year. If he is not coming to UM, he had better say it today.
Murl,
Never discount a coaches ego. Succeeding in the NFL = 10000000000000000000000x the money and fame.
fwiw, my guys know nothing. i just believe that this whole search has been a series of embedded smokescreens whose purpose is to get the heat off urban. you can't prove it's not true.
of course, i also believe in Santa Claus, but you guys can't prove his nonexistence either. QED, mFers.
Ryan:
Good point.
I would much rather have RichRod than Kiffin, but if RichRod ends up as a non-option, Kiffin would bring a lot to the table.
"If he is not coming to UM, he had better say it today."
Agreed. The pressure is on RR, not Michigan---and that is exactly the position we want to be in to get someone who will be here for the long haul.
At this point, I think they are probing for committment. The coaches that have been in play to date are obviously qualified. (I Still have some trouble with thinking on KF though)
@Fat Bastard,
True, but if our people are thinking it over, then they are not serious about landing RR. If there is no offer then this is all just a farce.
dude, the posters at the WFV scout site burned RR in effigy. they hate that guy now. totally burned that bridge.
RR really POed alot of those folks.
the questions is not is this the real BILG, but does he have a real source...
It's obviously not the real BILG.
Where'd everyone go? New post?
@BLIG
So if you're the real BLIG, what's the secret handshake?
Am I the only one that can't view the "comments" links on the front page?
By the magic of television THEY HAVE REAPPEARED
IF RR is our coach, do we run the spread option? I know he coached Shaun King at Tulane and he was no runner. Does RR's offense have a spot for UM's statue QBs?
If we wanted Meyer we would've gone and already offered him over $3mil/yr. The deal would've already happened if it was going to happen...bowl game match up or not.
As for RR. From the start it sounded like it was a mutual interest thing, or even RR contacting us first. But either way, given that BM likes to hammer contract first and then offer, it would make sense that RR and wife met with MSC, et al. Sure, that means there's a chance it was a smoke screen of sorts, or at least another iron in the fire if there are other negotiations ongoing (but not with UM). At this attempt at a coach sits better with me than the Schinao one.
And please, no NFL coaches. USC got lucky its guy was willing to overlook little things like his start player being on the take.
I have to admit that I am *slightly* encouraged at the moment. Given Brian's post of EERHole, we would have thought this thing was over. And an announcement would have been made by RR. But no news seems to indicate one of two things:
1. RR is using this situation to get whatever he wants out of the WV AD. And he is going to continue to hold it over their heads until they give in.
2. He is seriously considering a Michigan offer. And there are still negotiations going on.
I tend to lean towards #2. I've not heard anything regarding RR's relationship with the AD/U that would make me think he needs to bend them over, unless it is for pure $$$.
Willie Heston - I'm right with you. There are some deliberate smokescreens going on and have been all along. Is RR a deliberate screen? No. But did they make an offer he couldn't refuse? No. Why not? Maybe they do want to see how committed he is. Maybe they have an ace up the sleeve.
Too many moving pieces, and too many outside influences likely pushing on MSC and BM, to really know what's happening.
But for the Occam's Razor people, here are a few things that I am confident about:
1. MSC and BM are very very smart people.
2. They also know exactly how important this hire is.
3. They will not take a stupid risk with this hire. They will be relatively conservative, but will choose someone who is a very solid bet for success.
4. When they have really settled on the person they want, they will make an offer that cannot be refused, precisely because they will not risk making a huge mistake and ending up with no good choices left.
http://bleacherreport.com/articl...Choosing-
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Here's a good example of why you would think RR is under big pressure to make a decision today or tomorrow at latest. The smokescreen ideas make no sense to either side.
It's over ladies
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=1...=2508&
t=1662889
RR is staying for sure. Mexman..or whoever..the dude on RR's side just comfirmed this.
Will be really shocked if RR changes his mind..but who knows!!
Sorry if this AANews article was posted already.
"If Fred goes, I don't expect Sam McGuffie to be here at all,'' Helmholdt said. "If Fred Jackson stays, Sam still might take a look around, but he's still more or less with Michigan.''
http://www.mlive.com/sports/anna...ll=2&
thispage=1
....is that a report at time zero omits the negotiations or possible pot sweetening that might take place between time zero and time one.
However, is it any accident that there was some suggestion of a noon deadline and this post from Mexman, who's alleged to be more connected to RR himself?
They know how important Fred is. He'd be onj the list of guys to retain, though Miles and him hate each other.
Well, shit, if mexman and eerhole say so, then it must be the truth.
Oh well, lets move on I guess.....
Unbelievable.
In the immortal words of Axl Rose:
Where do we go now?
What a bunch of BS. As if insiders know everything. How do you know the guy wasn't being hammered by staffers and told them "i'm staying" to get them off his back for now?
I can't believe we're trusting the random WVU Scout board people as though they make official announcements. If nothing real comes out by 1 then it isn't over.
That said, it's over.
Umm...who the f*ck is Mexman? We heard this same stuff yesterday from EERHole but still no announcement.
I have to believe this is being seriously considered. Something for RR in W VA isn't quite right. Why does he keep talking to other teams? He wants to take a step "up" to a program that has bigger prestiege.
Drew tries to make us his bitch:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...588/1048/
SPORTS
That was fake BILG. I have no info on RR, Miles, Meyer, etc... Brian really needs to do something about the handles.
These WVU people don't seem entirely trust worthy. I think they have very minor sources then guess. EERhole posted on Friday night he told the players he was leaving, the guy's a hack. Sorry Brian.
It's a bunch of crap. How does these 2 "sources" know this spectacular earth shaking news, but NO ONE else in all the media outlets does? As if these guys are the only 2 with insiders that can possibly know he is staying at WVU.
In think a more telling quote from the AAnews is this one:
"Jackson assured McGuffie that he plans to be part of the new coaching staff."
Willie Heston - as a headhunter, tell us this ... is it likely that Michigan already had some significant "negotiations" with both Schiano and RR before BM met with them face to face? I have no experience with this stuff, but I'd be shocked if they hadn't already laid some significant ground work on mutual interest.
And if they did, then I'd be shocked if we haven't already done that with Meyer too. He's the one top coach other than Miles who has a "thing" for M. We must be going after him, esp. after Lloyd's comment. Sorry DetUmich, but there's gonna be Meyer talk here. And if anything moves forward with him, the news will break from somewhere else first.
Now, if we're really serious about him, I expect we'll lock him up before there's any chance of a media scoop foiling the plan.
@ KBlow,
This does not surprise me, as we have consistently heard at that inheriting certain members of the staff will be a stipulation for the incoming coach.
This is becoming a joke. If we end up with Hoke, English or DeBord; Bill Martin should be fired.
Maybe if the recruits keep jumping ship Martin will find a coach.
Drew Sharp is the most pessimistic, unhappy, sarcastic, a**hole writer I have ever seen.
Every newspaper has one of those "instigators". It's as standard as the funny, wacky guy who writes sports opinion pieces every week.
Take everyting he says with a grain of salt. He cherry picks his data to rip U-M because he has a grudge. He's had a grudge for years.
I just want to know, WTF is up with the Freep? The U-M athletic department is suddenly in need of being "saved"? Seriously? One of the most successful machines in college sports is suddenly falling apart because B-Ball is implementing a new system and football has gotten stale and needs a new coach?
Again... I think EERhole and Mexman know someone who knows someone and get half the story then make up the rest.
i.e. "He met with the A.D... he's staying"
Folks, you will see that EERhole knows what's happening. I know less about Mexman, I only followed EERhole last year, but his word was always right on. I have no doubt RR is staying.
mimuckdog,
If this is done then why no announcement? Every minute this guy waits he burns bridges. He *may* have said he was staying based on a meeting the AD had yesterday, but that doesn't mean the situtation hasn't changed. I think the longer this plays out, the more likely he may jump to U-M.
Of course his word is always right on...he seems to be qualifying a lot of his statements...earlier this morning he said something like..."hes staying, but he could always change his mind".
MiMuckDog - I'm a headhunter myself, and usual protocol is a phone conversation initially to express mutual interest. mutual interest established, then there is usually a second in-depth call, followed often by a third call with several members of the hiring team. if all those calls go well, then there is a face-to-face. if you get to face-t0-face in the process, there is a 50% chance of an official offer.
DetUMICH,
Exactly. Only RR knows for sure what he is doing and I am convinced he hasn't made up his mind yet. Don't kid yourselves. The U-M job is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It's unlikely he can pass now and get a shot later. If he wants to prove himself on the "bigger" stage (granted at this time I don't think the Big Ten is better than the Big East), this is a huge opportunity.
No reason whatsoever for him to keep quiet if he was staying. It's been awhile since this "news" was givin by these two. And not a SINGLE word of him staying from all the media outlets. This Eerhole guy isn't the jesus christ of having inside sources. Plenty of other people have very close ties. Yet, not a SINGLE announcement on him staying or leaving.
S. Fl - dunno why no official word yet. Maybe he's waiting until he gets the WVU AD's signature on his new promises ... all I know is whatever EERhole said was going to happen last year, happened. It seemed extremely likely that he was a high-up insider in the AD. He didn't post often, but when he did, he was right.
This is one thing I'll fault BM on ... he should have someone willing to disseminate info here. It can be a very useful thing, for their purposes.
News of RR staying shouldn't be a surprise. Going to interviews to get attention from his AD seem to be his MO. This time he brought his wife along, next time he'll get a tattoo of the interviewing team. Whatever. Do you guys all think he wouldn't do the same to us just b/c we're Michigan?
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THE DAY OF THE KNOWLEDGE IS HERE
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The previous post was by yet another handle stealing idiot
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This is the real THE KNOWLEDGE
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Today is the day Sarkisian will sign the contract to be the Michigan HC
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Official announcement late today or early tomorrow morning
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The time has finally arrived for THE KNOWLEDGE to bask in glory
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Yes
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Since M publicly asked the WVU AD for permission to speak with RR, I expect there will need to be a public response from RR, saying "thanks for the request to talk with me, but I'm happy here at WVU."
I would expect such a press release later today.
ps - the UM search is showing all the classic signs of a bungled "internal" search. if i get a call from a potential client who's tried to do it this long by themselves and is failing, i often won't take the assignment. they have polluted the candidate pool so badly that whoever takes the job will be somewhat ridiculed by his peers. not worth the risk for me to go to my candidate pool with bad job openings.
BigJim - thanks for the insight. I can't help but think they're in this process right now with Meyer.
mimuckdog,
Again, the situation may have changed. He might have said "I'm staying" and indicated as such to the AD. But what if Michigan countered? U-M's pockets are a lot deeper than WVA. If this becomes a bidding war (unlikely), U-M wins.
While we've all agreed that Sailor Bill has been a bit out to lunch -- I really wouldn't count him out. He knows he HAS to hit a home run. Why would you intentionally avoid sweetening the pot if you think that Rod can be had?
And we know he can be had. He's not looking to buy in Morgantown, just rent. Alum or no, he's most def upwardly mobile.
re: why no RR official announcement yet?
Probably a good chance he wanted to gather the team and tell them "first." You know, shed some tears and tell them something along the lines of, "I love you guys so much I couldn't leave, now go beat OU so I can get some real money next time another program comes sniffing around."
Insiders don't know everything. They can't. None of these guys knows jack shit about what's actually going on, just what they heard the WVU AD say as he walked to the outhouse behind the athletic department.
Get it? There's no indoor plumbing because West Virginia is a shithole.
THE KNOWLEDGE,
Hmmm...what's with the new qualifying statements? You had a COUNT DOWN in effect for an EXACT date. When people said "why would this be on a Sunday" you reponded with your mocking "what, you go to church" comments. You don't get to wiggle out of this. You GUARANTEED this would happen TODAY. Not today or maybe tomorrow or maybe the next day.
BTW, if RR does stay....anyone else think Mark Richt will be the next to "express interest" in order to get the attention of his athletic department?
The guy makes 2 million a year (as of last year's extension), which is chump change in the SEC heheh.
THE KNOWLEDGE:
If it does not happen today, you have lost all the high credibility you built up over the last few weeks. I can't believe you're backing off a bit now. Sad.
\we have consistently heard at that inheriting certain members of the staff will be a stipulation for the incoming coach.//
DING-DING-DING, we have a winner in the J. Sideburns
\wondering what the University of Michigan will do to destroy my dreams
demoralization sweepstakes.
We can't possibly be that dumb. Please tell me that's not the case.
I kinda like this idea. It makes as much sense as the current system.
http://www.theonion.com/content/
...aa_abandons_bcs
Confirmation on Sarkisian! THE KNOWLEDGE IS RIGHT!!!!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=1612990
No chance on Mark Richt. He has a huge buyout/contact escape clause, monetarily, that makes it almost impossible.
I expect flame from every comment affirming the veracity of EERhole, but I think some of these people are sincere.
Suckers.
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I'm NOT backing off on my info
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Today IS the day Sarkisian will sign the contract
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Have no doubts about it
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The Official will most likely come later in the day
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The "possibly tomorrow early morning" was a just-in-case scenario
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But, have no doubts. Sarkisian IS BECOMING THE MICHIGAN HC TODAY
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NOT tomorrow or the day after
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Yes
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Ryan,
I admit, I clicked the link.
THE KNOWLEDGE,
LMAO. Are you like 13?
THE KNOWLEDGE:
No
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Sorry
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No
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THE KNOWLEDGE,
Where are interest rates headed?
S. FL,
I made it anti OSU story to detract from the sting of falling for it lol
Guys, I would take this KNOWLEDGE guy seriously. In London, he appears to know everyting:
http://www.theknowledge.com/
I'll miss THE KNOWLEDGE. I hope he picks a new candidate and starts running with him.
@ S. FL Wolverine,
I agree with you that Sharp is historically an M hater and the B-ball program/Belien deserve more than 10 games before being attacked. However, the football program has grown stale under Martin. They waited too long and the fact that the facilities/S&C are no longer what would be considered first tier in the country is inexcusable. With the Mich budget and fan base's obsession with the football program, Martin deserves plenty of criticism for not seeing the pending shit storm sooner. Also, the public/press handling of the coaching search has been a nightmare. Regardless of the outcome and what is going on behind closed doors, it is obvious that Martin/AD is having a tough time negotiating the "sound and image machines" of the 20th century. The fanbase can accept struggles/rebuilding periods with the basketball program, but we will always be over-protective of the football program--It is Michigan's pride. So from that standpoint, while perhaps over-dramatized/critical, I dont think Sharp's comments deviate that significantly from the current concerns of the fanbase.
Whatever happened to the guy who was guaranteeing the PSU DC? I think maybe the fake BILG admitted to putting this fake info out there.
Back to losing our recruits.
I hope that Jackson would be savvy enough and "love" Michigan enough to tell a white lie to recruits about him staying on with a new HC. But is McGuffie really tied to him enough to end up at A&M if he goes?
Hey kids! Wanna go work out and hear some stories about the gooks who took my buddies eye in Nam?
Bend It Like Gingel,
I accept that there are valid criticisms to be made of the U-M atheletic department. But beyond just the Drew Sharp article, there is a survey on the Freep website asking readers what can be done to "save" the U-M athletic department. C'mon. Seriously?
I hate fake BILG. He even adopted some of my anti-apologist rhetoric to build credibility as the real BILG
Samsoccer:
I agree no chance in hell, but I was just thinking, if his agent is smart he should try to up the ante--his stock is really high right now, a job that is at least arguably top 5 is open, and he makes less than (1)Saban, (2)Meyer, (3)Tuberville, (4)Fulmer (barely), and now (5)Miles and (6) Petrino
(click the link below and go to the sortable list for the SEC--Miles and Petrino both have new deals worth more annually)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/c...aches-
pay_N.htm
Yep, that's right. Because I don't see the "sky is falling" in the most successful business machine in college athletics, I am an "apologist". And you know, I don't think Hitler was that bad either.
DetUMICH: But I think his buyout would be in the realm of $8 million dollars or something like that. I think he has to pay back whatever he would've earned during the remaining years of the contract. That's just a ridiculous amount that even Michigan wouldn't want to get involved in. Now, I'm sure that can be negotiated down, but still...
When Captain Lewis sent us into the jungle we didn't know what to expect. But then we saw them... women, walking with their children. We didn't care, we took what we wanted then killed every one of them. God it haunts me to this very day.
And that's why we don't do free weights.
Counter offer? We offered 45k/year and a Ford Focus, I believe. If he isn't interested, let him go. I know M is doing well financially, but we've got to stay within reason.
To do a little pot-stirring, maybe we are actually doing this search properly, but the media, expecting quick results, has made it look ugly. This job hasn't been open for 40 years (publicly, at least). Why fill it in haste? Obviously, it is much better to go coach-hunting after the bowls. Lloyd retires early so we can begin speaking to people somewhat publicly. The media keeps thinking every conversation is a job offer, but maybe it's just a discussion to gauge interest and talk about potential details.
So far, Bertman in Baton Rouge has prematurely blown his load. He's got no more cards to put on the table. After the bowls, we can have an open and honest conversation with Les because he (and we) already knows what LSU has to offer.
We've just pretty much figured out that RR has a sincere interest in the job. Right now, the WFV AD is busy showing his cards too. After the bowls, we can make a push if we'd like. The guy has left his name in the hat so far.
I'd much rather have Martin have a list of three or four top-notch coaches he knows have interest and then go pluck the one he likes because he's got the last move than I would have Martin hire up a coach as quickly as he can.
I went to bed last night ready to walk away from this thing altogether. This morning, I'm feeling much better. Maybe it's the fresh snow on the ground. But maybe it's because it's actually shaping up in a way where we can call some shots. Thoughts?
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GLORY TIME!
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Suck it, haters!
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3156445
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Welcome, new HC!
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Yes
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THE KNOWLEDGE predicted Cutcliffe to Duke?
dangdangdang,
STOP that. You are an apologist in the same vein as Neville Chamberlain. Stop it stop it stop it.
Don't you realize that BM is Hitler?
Or maybe, just maybe, he knows what he is doing, and despite some mistakes, he's moving ahead with the plan he has had all along. But that's just CRAZY talk. Now stop it.
WHERE THE FUCK WAS LES MILES WHEN I WAS IN NAM? WELL? HE WAS OFF FUCKING LISTENING TO BEATLES RECORDS! WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN RUN THIS SHIT BETTER THEN ME???? I KILLED 30 GOOKS! WITH MY BARE HANDS!
OK, I admit, I know nothing. I was just going to run with it in the slightest chance it could come true, then I would look like a prophet or something. People play the lottery, right? The odds of me hitting the jackpot on this couldn't be much different.
Since there has been nothing--and I mean NOTHING--to suggest I'm even close on this one, I'll concede. I just hope something works out.
dangdang - I suspect Les will still be in play after the bowls, but I think these other guys won't be. Once RR turns us down, I do think he's done. Schiano's done too.
But, since there's nothing going on today and we need something to talk about ... remember a week ago we were hearing that Les and M were very close to agreement, and they were then focusing on how to make Les not look like Saban.
Well, who the heck would blame Les for doing an about face after he wins the MNC for LSU ... he could say 'look, my alma mater is in deep doodoo. They're floundering, and they need me. I'm just doing what any loyal alumnus would do."
I don't *really* think BM is that machiaveliian. But ?
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Everyone Watch!
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Next Sunday Mariuci will be announced as the next UM head coach
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Have no doubts about it
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Yes
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We have angered Coach Gitt.
Well you clearly had us all fooled Knowledge. Phew. Thanks for clearing that up.
At least no one is talking about RE, BH or MDB as HC right now.
Hey guys more news from Mexman,
He just predicted the winning numbers for the mega millions jackpot!!!! If he said it, it must be true!!!! Oh, and Eerhole cosigned on it, now its written in stone.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID TO ME OVER THERE. IT WAS LIKE RAMBO. I'M RAMBO. LES MILES, SPEEDY RODRIGUEZ, THEY WEREN'T THERE MAN. THEY NEVER SAW WHAT I SAW.
THE KNOWLEDGE is smarter then Mexman.
Can Brian ban Mike Gittelson from ever posting here again?
SFW,
You're right... what was I thinking... Bill Martin probably stumbled into his millions in the real estate market, fooled the USOC into thinking he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, turned our AD into a money factory by accident, etc., etc., AND etc.
Plus, the guy probably has no idea that this is hire will not only define his career but the future of M football with a stadium project that will succeed or fail based on the hire.
I'm done apologizing. Bill Martin isn't worth the warts on his bitch of a mother's genitals.
Seriously. I have had my big moments of anxiety during this search. But we have to accept that we don't know what's going on. We know less than 1% of what's going on, but based on that we assume the sky is falling.
Case in point...LM. Some assume that BM botched that because he was "out sailing" when he should have been "signing that guy up". But what if BM never wanted Miles in the first place? What if he as some info re: Miles that tells him that this is not the "right" guy? Or, as dangdangdang just said, what if we were just gaging LM's interest and seeing how far LSU would go to keep him? There are so many IFs in this situation that depend upon what actually happened, and what U-M's goals were.
I'm not going to call this a "botched" search unless they try and tell us that MB, RE, or BH is the "perfect" choice for U-M.
If I were RR and I wanted to take the UM job but had to keep it under wraps---I would totally use Eerhole to get the word out that I was staying.
IMHO, his exact words over the next few days will be incredibly telling as to his continued candidacy.
Dean,
No.
Don't know how trustworthy this Mexman guy is, but, he just started a thread over at the md scout board and said Michigan is about to name a coach very soon. All he said was that he has won a national championship. Please God, don't let it be Larry Coker!
Good we don't need another drop back sloth. Does this mean Lloyd has Ferentz on his shit list?
Jay,
Link?
All I can say is we better not lose any more recruits. If Sam Mcguffie leaves, I leave
Lloyd won a national championship...
Another quick point about RR having discussions with WVU about issues with the program.
Petrino had similar discussions with Arthur Blank before he left. (Not saying RR is on the same [dis]loyalty level as Petrino)
IMO, if there is ANY chance in RR's mind that he is staying at WVU, he has to make it seem like he was staying almost all along....or else he loses even more reputation points. So he makes it known to a few people close to him that he is leaning on staying, but wants to get issues addressed for his program.
Sarkisian was part of the National Championship team, wasn't he? OMG THE KNOWLEDGE!
Mexman also knows who the next president is going to be. And every other national secret for the past 30 years.
Cmon guys.
JAy- really? Well that would make me bust a nut....oh and national championship better mean BCS. Not little kids league
Is it Bobby Ross? Bill McCartney? Bobby Bowden?
So did Larry Coker. So did Barry Switzer. LOL.
Here is something I am very confident about:
1. Bill Martin and Mary Sue Coleman do not give a rat's ass about football.
2. Coleman is in favor of bringing the athletic department back into the control of the University; it is now a separate entity. She is in favor of an overall deemphasis on sports.
3. They very well may absolutely FAIL with this hiring, as they did with Amaker, as they have not done anything to Crisler Arena in YEars, and it is one of the worst basketball arena's in all of college basketball.
Maurice Clarett also won a national championship...
Jimmy Johnson? Tom Osbourne? Gene Stallings?
Urban Meyer - the mafia, coming soon to a Big House near you....
C'mon guys, WTF would some hillbilly know about the Michigan HC search?
Howard Schellenberger?
I've rooted for a team that has won a NC, could it be me?
man, do you guys fall for every rumor? the mexman on the wva board has 3800+ posts. the mexman posting the BS on the UM scout board has 32 posts; he's just pulling your chain
mexman also knows the cure for cancer and AIDS, he is waiting to post it on the scout boards.
I've said I believe EERhole, don't know much about Mexman. While I believe EERhole re. WVU issues, I wouldn't believe anything they say about UM issues.
Brian Kelly only makes $830K a year. We could grab him for a cool $1.25 to $1.5M a year, plus a measley $1M buyout after Jan. 1, and legitimately compete with Sweater Vest. But we won't do it...and we will court some spare like Randy Edsall instead.
Sorry about not posting the link, I'm having trouble doing it for some reason. Just go to mbd.scout.com and look in the free forum they have entitled Stadium and Main. He started a thread over there a few minutes ago. Who knows if we should believe any of this. We'll just have to wait and see.
Bobby Williams won a National Championship in NCAA Football 08. It's him.
mexman predicted 9/11, but no one listened to him...there's a movie in the works...
The post count on Scout boards are different depending on the board. User names are unique to all Scout members. It's the same person. Who knows about his the voracity of his claims but it's the same person.
Guys,
I'll repeat my line of thinking from yesterday as to one possibility in the RR to Michigan rumors.
This is obviously wishful thinking.
But what if Mich has one - or two - other big name candidates that are interested. And assuming Mich wants to wrap this search up ASAP.
What if talks/offer to RR are to make someone ante up and commit? Not that we are using RR. It's possible he might say yes - win Michigan - or its possible that one of the other big names in waiting will get anxious and publicly accept - win Michigan.
Just a thought.
It's Woody Hayes.
"Voracity" refers to hunger.
"Veracity" refers to truthfulness.
Or so my high school English teacher taught me.
Speaking of cancer and AIDS, I always had a crazy theory,....
Wouldn't the logical cure for one be the other if could be regulated
Cancer of the white blood cells would combat HIV.
I'm not saying I believe Mexman, but I'm here talking to all of you, so I obviously get some entertainment from reading the rumors and talking about Michigan football with other interested people.
Skip, as in Skip Bertman?
Is that you???
No wonder you foiled our plans for Les...you've been on this board.
Damnit.
Woody will coach the team from Hell, using a special video system developed by Addidas as part of our new deal.
jay: how can you be having trouble posting the link? i don't believe you so post the link or shut up...
i'm going to be fucking pissed if BM trots out Edsall after all this bullshit the last month. instead of enclosing a check for my $1500 PSD that i just got in the mail, i'll return a note telling him to kiss my ass
Here's one for all the "EERhole and Mexman" supporters. This was posted ten minutes ago.
http://www.sportingnews.com/your...ic.php?
t=319269
< url> No spaces. Prove you're not lying now.
Well, I woke up to 5 inches of snow, no coaching news, and Drew Sharp once again providing proof that he is a hack of a writer. What a brilliant article that was. Him and Pat Forde probably fondle each others breasts at night.
dangdangdang,
Stop it. Every time you apologize for BM a cuddly, lovable puppy gets its teeth pulled one by one. Hitler is EVIL I tell you. EVIL. Stop making excuses.
wtf is with tom beaver busting out "interegnum" on the main UM scout page?! guy is one of the worst writers in the business, generally when i read his articles i mentally imagine him scribbling them in crayon, so now he busts out interegnum? what was his wife doing the NYT crossword this mornign and that was a word and she told him, so he slapped it in trying to look smart?
Common Sense,
It't not possible that RR told the AD one thing to get him off his back but he he actually pursuing another? That isn't possible is it?
The worst part of all of this....I keep having to rewind my Soprano onDemand because of reading these boards, links, blogs, etc.....
Where are my priorities...
here's the link to the mexman posting on Stadium & Main:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=1...=2019&
t=1663141
SFW,
Again, my bad. It's just who I am. I can't even help it. Have faith in GW!
the mexman post is ridiculous...ignore...next
nick,
Wow that sure is an authoritative post. The guy makes it sound so believable with all of the details ans such. And given he doesn't give a rat's ass about Mich, why not drop a name.
he didn't say he had a national title...he said he MAY come with a national title in tow....hmmmmmm I wonder who he could be referring to. I'll believe it when I see it...
Mexman's credibility is gone. Next.
Somebody on that SN site commented that we're naming a coach other than RR today as well... this is just getting ridiculous.
As each day passes, Lloyd Carr's decision to announce his retirement early looks worse and exposes him as the selfish bastard that he is. I have no qualms saying it: I hate Lloyd Carr and any self-respecting Michigan fan should too. His stubborness and lack of coaching abilities lead Michigan football down the road to mediocrity. His insistence on retiring early threatens to push us over the edge, and into perennial doormat territory. His pretextual reason for retiring when he did, when he only wanted to shoot down Les Miles' candidacy, is despicable enough to erase him from the history books.
We all know nothing. It is all speculation. Deal with the uncertainty. When I thought I had good info from my guy on Schiano and Miles..(which for the most part was accurate), it still provided no closure or guarantee, as nobody ever knows exactly what is going on in the minds of the individuals involved. Do I believe we were close to Schiano and Miles...absolutely...but that doesn't mean shit. We all know nothing, until we see the contract and press conference.
That is why I dont even bother my guy anymore...(well, actually it's because he wont tell me shit), but it is actually for the best. As it would just make me excited/nervous based on pure speculation.
I'm telling you, THE KNOWLEDGE is all over this. The date is right. Mexman just confirmed. It MUST be SARKISIAN. Done deal. The mastermind BM has lead us to believe that he was courting other big names, all the while he was going to settle for the OC of USC, alumni be damned.
00goblue00,
He also said today... it can't be Les as that would conflict.
Yeah, I'm sure a guy who regularly posts on WVU boards knows who the next coach will be at Michigan.
R-Lew,
Go to mbd.scout.com and click on the free forum entitled Stadium and Main. Mexman started a thread over there about Michigan. I'm not trying to break any news here, nor am I any kind of "insider" with secret info. I just thought people would like to know what this guy was saying. Frankly, I don't give a crap if you go over there or not.
What I meant was that the "mexman" poster on the Michigan board is ridiculous, probably not the same guy, and certainly not someone we should be worrying about...
It's obviously Mike Shanahan. Clearly.
R-Lew,
Scout's board is a single thing. There can't be 2 mexman's. It has to be the same guy. Still, it's bullshit.
@Ryan
you never know...no one knows anything in this situation.
I don't know that it is, and you don't know that it's not :)
Jay:
Someone posted the link. I found it troubling that you were able to tell us what it said and how to get there but were somehow unable to post the link. Seemed kind of ridiculous. In any event, I don't think it's someone we need to be listening to.
It's already almost 1 o'clock eastern. You think something would have happened by now.
OK...c'mon. Seriously. Why would U-M announce a new coach on an NFL Sunday? Why not wait until Monday? Especially if it is a 'big splash'?
Anyone hear Mort's report that Stephen Ross is possibly interested in buying the Dolphins? Maybe we need to get him involved in our coaching search. I don't doubt that he would get it done.
Would you really announce a new coach at a late p.m. Sunday presser? That's an odd time for such a thing, although Arkansas announced their new coach at the bizarre time of 9 p.m. HogStandardTime.
Ross buying Dolphins = Cam Cameron as our head coach.
I would be pretty deflated to end up with Miles rather than RichRod at this point. I like Miles, but RichRod is ten years younger and seems to have done a lot more with less resources than Miles. Plus UM and Less would take a severe media ass kicking if he were to change course and come to UM now.
Yeah - my ears perked up with the Stephen M Ross thing too... he's an interesting character. Risky investment, though.
He was hanging out on the sidelines in front of the student section with Tiki Barber at the ND game this year.
Ryan:
If the Scout board is a "single thing" and this is the same guy, I think there are two possibilities: 1) This guy is either Bill Martin or the greatest insider ever, considering he has intricate knowledge of the inner-workings of the WVU AD, RR's head, and the Michigan AD; or 2) He's full of shit.
I mean, did he really just break news that RR is staying AND that Michigan isn't going to hire RR, but WILL hire a coach who has won a national championship today? If so, WOW. I mean, WOW.
Frankly, if you really think it's the same guy, then I think this destroys any credibility he may have had re: RR staying. That being said, I guess it's possible that we've uncovered the greatest source of info on the search we could ever wish for.
You guys remember the good ol hours. You know those couple hours where Miles was our head coach and we had a bad ass D cordnatior coming with him. Man i miss those times
Eric:
Yeah. . .those were a couple of DAMN FINE hours!
@Murl
But if Rich Rod ends up turning us down and we ended up with Miles it wouldn't be the end of the world...And who cares if they take a media ass kicking. We have all seen over the past few weeks what a bunch of worthless tools they really are. Does their opinion really matter?
R-Lew,
I know he's full of shit and has lost his credibility. But it's still the same guy.
Okay, I'm not inclined to believe Mexman's assertion either but let me throw this out there:
Michigan told RR to forget it because ____ has accepted their offer and that news has gotten around.
But, in all seriousness, it's odd that WVU has all sorts of leaks and there is nothing coming out of AA.
That morning when we "hired" Les Miles and Tenuta, I went to a full work weekend with a damn big smile on my face, only for it to turn into 2girl1cup.
R-Lew,
Stop with the logic. Just ask Mexman where Citigroup stock will be a year from now. And plan accordingly.
We should've played OSU during those hours.
00goblue00:
Agree with you completely. If RichRod turned us down and we ended up with Miles, I would much rather have him and endure the media ass kicking than some of the other spares whose names have been thrown around, e.g., Cameron.
00goblue00,
It doesn't matter to us, but it does to recruits. Trust me, they watch PTI and all that crap like the rest of us, and if they think we're a bunch of asses they won't consider us.
00goblue00
Pat Forde is a glimmering beam of light in a dark world. How dare you accuse the media of such treachery...
Sorry, I just vom-vommed in my mouth.
Ryan:
Sorry, we agree. Thanks.
Then, if we're dealing with the same guy, we could probably agree that he has zero credibility. We could also probably agree that EERhole is at least somewhat suspect considering he vouched openly for this guy "mexman" on the WVU boards earlier.
@ Eric,
Yeah, those two hours were the "1997" of the coaching search.
Since then its been the Carr era
2004-2007.
Huge hopes and expectations...Nothing to show for it.
I think RR is coming. Weird he hasn't said no, and weird that he'd stay at WVU anyway, hillbillyville.
Those two hours = better then sex.
Ok, maybe not.
Maybe mexman is EERhole's alter-ego.
Maybe mexman is THE KNOWLEDGE's alter ego...