what's the name of the third string kicker? spuyge? gihz? mannchauder? why haven't I heard of this guy?
Brian,
Good work. Am I correct in assuming that a person like Slocum was not just assigned to one class, but for consistency reasons counted in all classes that Rivals listed him?
Yay Michigan State! Bringing down the curve for the Big Ten once again!
What I'd like to see is how winning and academic standing correlate with these numbers. Iowa State, MSU and Oregon State are mediocre in both regards and as you headed toward the bottom were both winning programs and the uber-smart ones.
I have no idea how you would determine academic standing...maybe use US News?
dude i was *just* doing this for the sec.....the #s are MUCH more than the others, on average. Sthe best i ran thru so far was UG, LSU, UF, and they are all 23.5 ish. SoCar was the worst i saw at 27.5ish
Brian - of course Notre Dame retains like a mother...none (or very, very few) of their recruits was good enough to go early, and in order for a football player in South Bend to get in trouble, he'd have to kill someone. By shooting that person in the back. In the middle of a football game. NOT during a TV timeout.
"Skeete", anon.
ma: Slocum counts once, when he signs, IIRC.
You can see the SEC #s at EDSBS now. They're the highest in the country, three scholarships per class past the Big Ten.
is it any surprise that the ACC & B10 are the lowest? they are the 2 most reputable conferences in the nation WRT academics. sure, there are individual anamolies (Cal is middle of the road in the P10, OSU down low in the B10), but on average, the schools with the highest academic integrity/rep generally fall below the others in this metric. not shocking, imo.
also, ya know, if you look at who is at the bottom of the conferences in these charts, the ones you might not expect: USC, OSU, Fla, Tex. they don't even need to sniff at questionable students. based on recent success, instate talent, and 'flagship'-type institutional status, they have kids banging down the door to go there. they don't need to take chances on 3-4 questionable 4* guys, when they have a dozen 5* guys interested every year.
again, you'd expect Vandy, Stan, M, NW, etc to be down low. and if you consider the above paragraph, there are even fewer outliers (zero that I can see) within this trend. also, i don't mean to demean solid academic schools like Tex & UF. they just aren't NW, vandy, Stan WRT academics. would be interesting to see the bottom 10 and the top 10 nationally.
We are teetering dangerously close to "cats and dogs living together" territory here.
Was PSU So in the early 2000's that they could only have an 11 man class for 2003? Or did JoePa just have an awful recruiting year, or was it that there were not alot of open scholies do to redshirting?
I think we're witnessing one of the more interesting developments in sports journalism WRT blogs.
Instead of one classically-trained journalism guy and a couple research interns presenting their information in a corporately-subjective environment such as the sports section of the Dallas Morning News, instead we get doctors, marketing managers, investment bankers, lawyers, statisticians, and computer engineers culling together information in a fairly transparent way, and presenting it for critique while conclusions are surfacing.
Quality of work and depth of research on blogs is being rewarded with loyal readership and street cred. It's funny to see how far off track real journalism has gotten when you consider how rote the formula has become. We get vanilla news because the major alternatives are viewed as sensationalism or unresearched basement-dweller-driven hoo-hah that the publishing companies won't necessarily take a chance on. With blogs, we're now getting the content we request on-demand, and the ability to judge for ourselves as to the verifiability of the voracity.
The system is working...for now...at least until Brian gets pulled into a back alley by AOL and is forced to cover the MTSU marching band while UFR gets forgotten and we all suffer.
Mike from BSD would be better able to tell you, but IIRC they really did have that few openings. PSU tends to redshirt a ton.
ye, i think i remember that year for PSU too- they just didn't have alot of needs/openings. weird, but i guess it happens.
While it might be difficult to get yourself in trouble in South Bend, the administration is (overly) fierce with punishments. See McAlarney, Kyle and Powers-Neal, Rashon.
Fantastic work by both Orson and Brian on this, as it keeps the football alive during the dark days.
I'd be interested to see how the service academies would stack up in this analysis. I would guess that there's not a lot of red shirting going on (wars afar need to be fought).
MAC numbers on Miami Hawktalk... except for Temple, they're very good.
http://www.miamihawktalk.com/dis...pic.php?
t=34195
Am I correct that scholarship offers work differently in the Big 10 vs. the SEC? That the Big 10 basically gives a 4 year tuition waver while the SEC goes year-to-year?
Thanks for the shout-out and even bigger thanks to NickSkin for grabbing the MAC numbers.
Parochially, we have viewed Akron has having quite a bit of churn (over 35% of last year's class didn't make the roster due to academics or injuries), but it seems that even they are not too far outside the national norms.
I hope (since Rick Chryst already took them in) that Temple's numbers are an anomaly relating to their dismissal from the Big East, near-death of the program, and Bobby Wallace's decision to recruit only jucos one year (because he wanted to win fast and didn't know if he could promise HS kids four years of Temple football).
Anyone want to check CUSA?
Regarding Ohio State, I don't think that saying "hardly any of our kids flunk out" necessarily is a positive statement on the quality of your academics.
Things like "tutoring" and basket-weaving classes can keep players eligible who really are doing nothing academically.
I'm not saying that Michigan never does this kind of thing for players or that Ohio State is the WORST INSTITUTION EVER, I'm just using them as an example because I think the data in this study might be a bit misleading.
In regards to whether ND retains recruits well or whether Ty just couldn't even recruit enough players to fill a class, the correct answer is "both."
Nice work. But, since I'm a stats dork, I was curious if any of these are statistically indistinguishable from each other.
Basically, from a stats point of view, the ND, NW, OSU, PSU, and UM averages are the same. A difference-of-means test for UM and ND is not statistically significant at any value remotely near conventional levels (conventional is p
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Come on now shorts TOSU is NOT the worst institution ever!! I think Florida State may have it over on us!!
Byron
TOSU '99
Running late behind the masters, I had worked up this anaylsis in response to the claims of some of the Georgia defenders in the last thread.
http://www.logictimes.com/Blue/G...-v-
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Geaux Irish,
The Service Academies would be higher than you might expect. You are correct that there aren't many red-shirts...in fact there are none. You either graduate in four years or get kicked out. There are prep-schools that the athletes are admitted to in-lieu of the actual academies if they need a year to get ready...this is done for someone that is seen as a good fit, but lacking in an area like math skills etc. However Prep students aren't admitted to the Academies yet (and no guarantee they will be) so they wouldn't count anyway.
The drop-out/flunk-out rate at academies is pretty high. Nearly 10% of each incoming class (not just athletes) leaves due to discipline, academics or just hating the regimented lifestyle. Discipline is certainly not the same as the average discipline case at most schools...sex in the barracks gets you kicked out for instance. Athletes are certainly no exception - I expect that their rate is in-line with non-athletes. I had a friend who flunked out (got too many C's and D's in computer science, Chemistry, Physics, Calculus, etc.) and went on to a 3.5 at a pretty well respected school. There is a lot to be said for being able to choose your courses, and actually having time to study if you choose to use it.
re:jonK | 02.23.07 - 1:50 pm
nice comment. you should send that to the ap reporters
Blueseoul, don't encourage that....i'm worried about the big time news media losing readership to blogs...then their lobby will pressure DC to sanction/regulate the intranets. This is a serious concern, no matter how "on the horizon" it is.
the ironic part of this is that people in Calif. bitch about "Big Brother" telling them to use energy efficient lightbulbs, or not to smoke indoors. morons bitch about helmet laws, etc, but not when the patriot act rolls around, or the Internet Regulation bill rolls around.
which of these 4 is the bigger deal?
1) come in and don't smoke OR don't come in.
2) use energy efficient bulbs OR don't use bulbs.
3) use the internet that limits the free exchange of ideas & thought, or don't use the internet.
4) ride a motorcycle w/ a helmet, or don't ride a motorcycle.
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