Carty is writing like an ass clown.
totally.
i wrote carty yesterday about his article. he wrote back an hour later. i can't believe that guy is our writer.
That video is fabulous.
Actually this guy is one of the more level headed WVU fans. You should see their boards.
At least Stewart Mandel is on our side.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com...guez/
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I have always thought that there was something to the old saw that newspaper columnists write things that sell papers.
If Carty was joining the chorus on Mgoblog that RR did nothing wrong, why would we read Carty. Now, he has put himself in the story. He can play foil against RR and there will always be postings about him.
He took a page from Ass Clown at the Freep, and he thinks it will make people read him to hear what the ole' contrarian has to say even if it is to rip it.
I don't think it is a good way for Carty to start out with the new coaching staff, but time will tell if he becomes another Drew Dull.
Carty could've also put himself in the story by being a staunch supporter of RR. however, he chose to go the other route...
I really appreciate all the work Brian does, but I think he is spending entirely too much time on this shredding issue. The shredding issue is not that important.
On the other hand, this is the biggest weekend of the year on the recruiting front. Let's get more info on the new targets and visits.
Carty could've also put himself in the story by being a staunch supporter of RR. however, he chose to go the other route...
How does joining the chorus set you apart as the lead singer? Listen to Carty on WTKA sometime. He thinks he is the shit with his "baby" this and "baby" that.
He wants to be a big shot so he decided to ruffle some feathers. Maybe he actually believes it, or maybe he just wants to be a bigger part of the talk in Ann Arbor.
the bottom line is that carty is a nobody. he probably makes 35k a year working for a paper with a daily circulation of just over 50,000. so, to assume that his poorly written piece of obviously inflammatory journalism has any real impact is to give the man far too much credit. i think probably the best thing that we, as consumers of media, can do is to basically just recognize the situation for what it is and stop doing hacks like carty favors by giving a damn about either him or his opinion.
That article by Stewart Mandel is perfect.
I can't really understand anyone wishing ill on Mallet.
I hope he does well at Arkansas, personally. In the time that he was here he was an asset to the program. While he was far from great, he presumably produced more than David Cone would have. Furthermore, he was rumored to have a significant positive influence on bringing other recruits along in last years class (and maybe this year's as well.) Bottom line - he was a good addition for the year he was here.
As he left, he did it with class and claimed he would always be a "Michigan Man".
The position coach and head coach he came to play for are gone. The offense has changed in a way that he thinks doesn't set him up well for his future career. While I disagree, I can understand the thinking.
He did come off a little cocky, and he was at times frustrating to watch. But he gave a strong effort, respected Henne and the other seniors, and helped out the program while he was here. He left in time for the new staff to recruit a top notch replacement. And yeah, he was even fun to watch at times.
I hope things go well for the guy and he continues to speak fondly of UofM.
Wow that kid acts like someone killed his dog or somthing. I think that WV is a lot like some other parts of the country in that nobody would really miss it if it was gone.
Carty's update was really weak. His first argument was that it looked like Rodriguez had done some awful things and he better darn well apologize and give WVU $4 million.
Now that the awful things apparently were no big deal, he's switching his argument to "you Michigan fans are just total suckups and I'm the only honest person out here". No, Jim, you're just a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian, facts be damned.
I for one do not think that Brian is spending too much time on Shredgate. Our brand spankin' new head coach is being ripped in the local and *national* media. If you don't counter lies and nonsense as vigorously as possible, they continue to grow and take on a life of their own.
Carty, Foster, Sharp ... is there a bigger concentration of putzes in a professional field known for elevated levels of putz?
I don't think there's any coincidence that the Toledo Blade picked up the original response. It doesn't take long to accurately assess the landscape of Detroit area sportswriting. RRod's relationships with the local media to be eerily Carresque in a very short period of time.
On Carty: IMO he's an intelligent guy and generally a pretty good writer. In fact, I'd say that he's a much better sportswriter than you're going to find at most comparably-sized papers in most comparably-sized towns. But he often comes off (at least to me) like he thinks that he's being more clever than everyone else in the room, which is not only annoying but counterproductive because sometimes things really are just simple. He's also definitely a bit of shit-stirrer, which is the perfect personality for a journalist whose job is bumping things up a bit to sell a few more papers.
these are all good points. he left. that's the thing. what should RR have done differently wrt leaving? he addressed his team. should he hold a PC in morgantown? i think it's pretty clear that his relationship w/ Pastiling is beyond strained.
the biggest reason RR left the way he did had everything to do w/ Pastliong....but no one in the media is saying a thing about him.
Agree with you Squid that too much time isn't being spread on the shredding thing.
The one thing that really gets me about this whole leaving your job, not honoring your contract crap is that if RRod would've stayed at West Virginia and subsequently had 2 or 3 straight 3-4 win seasons, how fast would these "loyal" WVU fans be ready to see him canned before his contract was up? Mind boggling.
I love the yo-yo who keeps commenting on Carty's articles to say that the Rodriguez must be lying about the death-threats to his family because he hasn't produced the police reports. I suppose this means that RR's mother is lying, too.:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/c...ez-
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WVU fans who think RR betrayed his players should take note: I'm sure he left to protect his players. By attracting all the death threats to himself, he has left the team kicker feeling a whole lot safer:
http://newsok.com/article/318650...6509/
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Brian, I think Drew Henson is a more plausible analogy than Ryan Mallett. Mallett hadn't accomplished much of anything here yet, so nobody's hopes were dashed when he left. And at least part of the reason he left was a new coaching staff and a new scheme that were beyond his control; he didn't just walk out on the team for a big payday.
That dude's In Rod We Trust shirt sucked. He should've burned based solely on the fact that it was a crappy t-shirt not for any symbolism held therein. (and were the sleeves cut off??) Although there was a certain poetry with the flames and the John Denver song... which of course, in true WVU fashion, is undermined by the inaccuracies of the song: it was inspired by a road in Maryland and the landmarks described are more suited to Virginia than their western neighbor.
Carty is tabloid. I put him in the same class as Perez Hilton.
Hey if this guy can figure out how to use a computer. Why can't the athletic department at WV?
I don't wish Ryan Mallett any ill-will because he's got the albatross of his father, who apparently thinks he's some kind of mover and shaker as a high school football coach (no offense, gsimmons) and has been trying to act like the big man in the newspapers during this whole transition. I would bet you a six of Celebration Ale that what Ryan wants was the least of his concerns -- daddy wants a a genuine NFL quarterback to take care of him in his old age and by god he's gonna do what he needs to get it. If he looked at Henne in the Cap One bowl or Tom Brady any day of the week, though, instead of listening to conventional "oh noes! spread option!" wisdom that football dittoheads spout, he might have seen some possibilities worth keeping Ryan in town at least until the Spring Game.
So, good luck, Ryan, because you can change coaches, schools, and girlfriends, but you're stuck with your old man until death do you part.
other chris,
good pop shot there man, im so offended....
Mandel's article is pretty awesome
"Peterstown is puzzling, though. I’ve gotten a bunch of calls and e-mails wondering about the identity or the person/people. I do not have the number. Every number was blacked out except for the calls made to and received from the state of Michigan. Why? I have no clue."
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I assume that these phone records were released by WVU, no? And they say that this isn't a smear campaign...
carty is done as far as im concerned...
there was always something i didnt like aobut his, im a michigan football guy, even though im clueless about the game, attitude...
this whole situation has just sent me over the top...
FWIW, I don't wish Mallett any ill either. I do wish that he'd at least stayed around long enough to gather a little more information about how he might have fit into the new offense, but I don't begrudge him his decision to do what he feels is in his best interest. I also think that it's rather silly to compare him to RR (regardless of how nonsensical and baseless all the shit being flung at RR is) because he's just a kid. A very big kid with an NFL arm, but still a kid.
@Off Tackle Tom - If I read correctly, the phone records were obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request. Rodriguez is a public employee, and the record of his calls on a public-owned phone is public information.
Carty's a douchebag. his contrarian stance is designed to get himself an E$PN job. I'm glad Carr kicked his ass out of the locker room.
I heard Rodriguez left an upper decker in the toilet at the AD before he left.
as someone who uses the FOIA process ( and individual state's freedom of information acts) on a daily basis, i know that its nearly impossible to secure information in a timely manner. Usually, it takes at least 4-6 weeks. the fact that this info got from WVU to the public so quickly very obviously indicates an institutional desire for rr's phone records to be released publicly.
Oh, and regarding the FOIA thing, as soon as I wrote my post above, it occurred to me that FOIA in its common usage is a Federal law that would not apply to Rodriguez, an employee of the State of West Virginia. But a quick search shows that WV has its own FOIA law, which is to what the article Brian quoted must be referring.
he is one of the few guys that i would pull the ole', i have forgoten more football then you will ever know, card out on if i ever have a chance too...
then pile-drive him...
the squid:
yeah, FOIA is a federal act, but all states have some form of freedom of information rights in place, they just have different names (ie Sunshine Act in florida).
It's really about scale. WVU fans are collectively going berserk. At least that's what we're led to believe. There is only one reason for this berserkiness. Rodriguez's departure validates concerns that they are not a top tier program. If they can't keep one of their own, it solidifies the notion that, though they nearly had a title shot this year, they are not a Michigan, Florida, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. That validation stings the hell out of them, and I can't blame them. But if it were, say, Kansas State in the same situation, I think they'd realize that they were never one of the big boys. In sum, I can see why they're upset, but it's time to move on, kids.
@big gay heart - It wouldn't surprise me that WVU helped the process along, but remember that it's already been 6 weeks since RR was hired. The article specifically says that the FOIA request was filed "last month", so that's definitely almost 3 weeks ago and probably more than 4 weeks ago, given the holidays and whatnot.
It is pretty ridiculous that people would have the audacity to comment on what they believe Brian should be writing about in his own f$%*ing blog. It's his blog, he can write whatever the hell he wants to.
squid:
yeah, i get what you're saying but i think it would be naive to not think that WVU wanted this info out publicly as quickly as possible. i've found that a normal wait time is at least 3 months as requests generally have to approved by counsel.
That kid is pathetic.
@big gay heart - Sure, I agree 100%. My point is just that there's enough plausible deniability here that I don't feel comfortable yelling from the rooftops that it's a WVU conspiracy.
I personally wish that they would just get on with life and let the law-talking dudes sort out all of the miscellanea.
You KNOW they were hoping to see phone calls to/from Michigan before the Pitt game.
Look, for the last time: the $4MM "buyout" in NOT a buyout; it's a liquidated damages clause.
You can't be forced to perform a personal services contract (that's called involuntary servitude aka slavery). However, if you breach such a contract, you are subject to damages for the breach.
Liquidated damages are used when actual damages are difficult to ascertain and the parties want to agree on a specified amount. However, the specified amount must bear a reasonable relation to the actual damges; otherwise it's an uneforceable penalty.
For example, if RR's "buyout" were $20MM (far more than the entire value of the contract), that would clearly be an unenforceable penalty which would provide a windfall to WVU. At the other extreme, $10.00 liquidiated damges would be silly but enforceable. Somewhere, between those figures is the line between enforceable liquidated damages and an unenforceable penalty.
What about the $4MM in RR's contract? Well, WVU was able to hire a new coach in less than 3 weeks, for a lower salary than they were paying RR, and the new coach led WVU to a BCS bowl victory. It's hard to see how WVU was damaged at all by RR's departure , so good luck to WVU in justifying the $4MM.
However, commercial disputes/litigation being what they are, look for the parties to settle this in a few months, in a similar fashion as the Beilein "buyout", i.e., $1-2MM payable over 4-5 years to the WVU Foundation (so that RR can take a tax deduction for the payments which will be undoubtedly furnished by UM or boosters).
There, it's out of my system!
Wow. That guy can piss lighter fluid? Damn that must be some serious moonshine they drink down there.
So, let me get this straight -- all my friends from college *AND* all the people on this board became attorneys? ;-)
Actually, that is a great explanation.
ill admit i know as much about legal issues as i do about "cricket"
so i am staying mute on this...
all i know is that ill probably end up kicking a mountaineers ass this sunday that frequents the bar we are headed to watch the games...
Bottom line is this Wolverine fans...the man agreed to a contract that had a $4 Million buyout...it was put in place to keep him from constantly threatening to leave in order to hold the athletic dept hostage to the demands of himself and his booster buddies...he WILL have to pay it, and it will take him more than a matter of months to get Michigan in a postion where they can compete with the Mountaineers, West Virginia OR Appalachian State...enjoy the *good ol boy* yall got...when he loses to Ohio State, don't ask West V for your money back
I'm stunned, but utterly pleased, that someone, someone in the national media (who knew it would be Mandel?!) is viewing this whole situation as WVU's best "fatal attraction" impression. The reason, other than betrayal by WFV's former favorite son, is becoming more and more apparent: WVU's fear that it has or will become irrelevant in college football. And a line from that movie just keeps running through my head: "I will not be ignored!"
Legal issues aside, I sense that the national sports media, after enjoying a few days of kicking UM around and marvelling (smirking?) at the entire state of WVU becoming Britney, is getting bored with the story and is moving on to the next batch of unsubstantiated rumors to moralize over.
@Grew Up in A2:
"Buyout" is so much easier to type than "liquidated damages clause."
@bleeding blue:
requires less thinking, too, but what the hey (see last post by cameron carr)
@Other Chris
Yes, which is why we can spend our time on this board during the work day!
So Mandel posts that beautiful takedown of West Virginia two days after he posts his "Early Look at 2008" Top 25 sans Michigan.
I'm so torn...
Eh, with a new QB, new line, new WRs, new coaches, and new system, I don't think it's crazy to leave us out of a pre-season Top 25.
Certainly, I think we'll be ranked when all is said and done, but I'm not offended by being left out this early. A lot of questions to answer.
cameron carr, i have a score for ya
130-0
last time michigan and wvu met... so i thik we can compete with ya...
Re: RR's Toledo connection - his financial advisor really is in Toledo, where the meeting with Martin and Coleman happened. The financial guy is also BFF with the guy from the Toledo Blade who got RR's first interview on this subject yesterday.
@Ian, I'm fine with them not being in the top 25 pre-season. We lost basically our whole offense, and we have a new coach who runs a system that a lot of current players aren't exactly tailor-made for
Why would anyone put UM in a pre-season top-25 right now? New coaching staff, new offense, new-ish defense, almost all the top offensive skill players gone, questionable O-line, etc.
@Cameron Carr (and maybe others)-
You may have agreed in the past as a Blockbuster customer to rent movies, pay the rental fee, and pay a late fee if you did not return the movies by the due date. Blockbuster used to charge late fees that exceeded the amount of money that they would have earned if you (1) returned the movie on time; and (2) it was rented again immediately.
There was actually a lawsuit about this and Blockbuster got smoked for its late fee policy because it was deemed to be an unenforceable penalty. The fact that Blockbuster could truthfully claim that each customer agreed to the late fee rate was no defense. Penalty provisions are not enforceable.
So the fact that Rich Rod signed a contract with language that says there is a liquidated damages amount of $4 Million, that does not mean that the clause of the contract is not really an unenforceable penalty provision in disguise. A judge and/or jury have to make a determination of that issue. Hence, the matter must be litigated or resolved in an out-of-court settlement.
This is especially true, rational, worth while and not skeezy or unethical on the part of RR because (1) it is a lot of money; (2) WVU is a big boy, not a potential victim such as an underinformed average joe consumer; and (3) there are indications that WVU might not have fully performed its end of the contract, which would make the clause a nullity even if it could be held as an enforceable liquidated damages amount.
Further, there may be ways to structure any amounts eventually paid to WVU that would be acceptable apart from a single check for $4 Million.
Again, taking a pause before sending over a Brinks Truck full of cash to the WVU bank makes eminent sense and does not detract from anyone's honor or integrity in any way.
And one more thing Cameron Carr, if the buyout was put in place to keep RR from hodling the WVU athletic department hostage as you suggest, then that makes it seem more like a penalty for breach (unenforceable) than a true liquidated damages clause that attempts in good faith to approximate expected damages (enforceable). So there you go.
"I will not be ignored, Rod!"
My apologies for not realizing someone had already used that quote. Eh...it's 3:15 on Friday...got beer on the brain.
And, let me get this straight, penalties for breach in an employment context are unenforceable because you cannot cause someone to work for you against their will?
Employment law actually sounds interesting. Should I go for a second Michigan grad degree in Law?
To further elucidate the comments concerning contract law above, RR could have signed a contract stating that if he were to leave WVU, he would have to fly to the Moon by wiggling his ears and bring back a satchel of magic pixie dust.
IOW, just because something is written into a contract does not mean that a court of law is going to find it enforceable.
Yes, Michigan lost most of its skill position players, but they retained a potentially very good defense. Not to mention that, when recruiting at Michigan's level, you should always be ranked above the likes of Cincinnati regardless of atrophy.
Let's remember, Ohio State--after all their player losses after 2006-07--began the '07 campaign ranked #11.
Now that proved to be a good ranking for them because the potential of their offensive replacements was eventually realized.
New offense, new coaching staff, etc., but are we really the clear-cut 5th-or-worst team in the Big Tean this season. Even accommodating for my own sandbagging, I say no.
And yes, I know that a preseason poll is worthless and not necessarily indicative of the expected final ranking... but damnit, I want to be ranked above Cincy and the Virgina Cavaliers... at least.
one thing i will say about mandel's (and others') rankings - that nickname "beanie" is SO stupid. can't they just call him by his actual name? stupid nicknames are the sux0rs
Michigan Fan, tell that to jim carty. perhaps WV will put a 'hurt feelings' clause in the next coaches contract that demands an apology in return for breach of contract.
@ Other Chris -
Penalties for breach of contract are never allowed. One can only recover money damages that equal (or best approximate) the differnece between the value that you were promised under the contract and what you received.
Let's say I pay you for the delivery of 6 gross of widgets and pay you money that is the fair market value of 6 gross of widgets. However, you deliver me 5 gross of good widgets and 1 gross of defective widgets. I haven't gotten what I paid for. I can sue you for money equal to the one gross of widgets and, possibly, for money that I expended to dispose of the defective widgets provided that those costs were reasonably foreseeable to you at the time we entered into the contract. (This is overly simplified.) We can agree before hand that if you fail to give me sufficient widgets of a particular quality that you will pay me a set sum of money intended to cover the additional costs in dealing with the defective widgets and what ever else might be an issue. That is liquidated damages. We cannot agree that if you fail to deliver the proper amount of quality widgets that you have to pay me an arbitrarily chosen $4 Million just because I want you to be damn sure that you give me the right amount of my widgets the first time.
Certain kinds of contracts (sale of real property is one) can be enforced by specific performance (i.e. an order from the court directing you to do what you said you would do under the contract). Most contracts will not be so enforced. Rather, the court will give you money to compensate for the unfulfilled expectations of the contract.
An employer can NEVER get an order of specific performance against an employee (or any other personal services relationship) because, even if you pay someone market wages, forced labor of any kind is slavery and is outlawed by the U.S. Constitution.
To add another gloss to the RR situation, pretend that RR was a house painter and not a coach. In that case, assume he quits the WVU painting job to go paint the Big House. WVU would have to find someone else to finish painting. If they could only find someone who cost twice as much as RR, then they would be entitled to sue RR for the difference in what they had agreed to pay RR for the job and what they ended up having to pay the new painter. This puts WVU in the same position it would have been had RR finished the job (i.e. one completed painting job for a set price out of pocket to WVU). If the new painter is cheaper, then arguably, WVU has not suffered any damages.
Granted, the coaching job is much more complicated, but there are legitimate arguments as to whether WVU's liquidated damages amount of $4 Million is actually a penalty. Of those arguments, Bill Stewart makes less, so in some respects, WVU is financially better off. The other matters, such as a potential loss of prestige, loss of recruiting opportunities that RR was able to generate and which Stewart may not be able to do ar
@ DanK -
Carty would only derisively tell me that I am looking at the situation through maize and blue colored glasses and am defensing the indefensible. Not worth the effort.
And further, for the group's consideration, if RR is such a shit heel, why did several of his staff follow him to Michigan when WVU was trying to keep them from leaving? The word Barwis used was "loyalty." Unethical scumbags don't tend to engender loyalty from others the in way RR has.
WVU officials locate files, still searching for dignity
Despite heavy losses in '06, at least OSU was coming off a BCS Championship game appearance. U-M is coming off a 4-loss season ... I've got no problem with U-M not being ranked in the Top 25. As long as they're in the Top 10 by the end of the season! :)
The Squid wrote: "just because something is written into a contract does not mean that a court of law is going to find it enforceable."
That may well be, but it would be a foreign concept in WV. I think you're getting at the root of the differences.
Speaking as a WVU alum for whom UofM puts food on the table, it's pretty clear that Coach Rod outgrew WVU. I wasn't surprised in the least to see him leave, esp. after the Alabama courtship last year, and I have no problem with it.
Here's a little history. Prior to 1950, a succession fo instructors with nicknames like Trusty, Greasy, and Sleepy did 2-4 year coaching stints. In 1950, WVU got its first professional coach and joined the old Southern conference. Though the team dates to 1891, the program really dates to the early 1950s. My cousin was a past president at WVU, and brought in its first real AD in the late 1970s. Don Nehlen really cemented the program, though he had a Bo-like penchant for losing bowl games.
The athletic department has had some problems scaling up to meet the success we've had in both football and basketball, and to say the University leadership is in flux right now is an understatement. I hear the donors bitching about this constantly. We've got the curse of the mid-level program: Lose, you get fired; win, you get hired away. Rodriguez is just the latest. Bobby Bowden was here for a while, and we nearly lost Nehlen to South Carolina after we beat Florida in the 1981 Gator Bowl.
It was hoped that RR might stay for a while to build on Nehlen's success, but after the Alabama thing last year I think everyone was prepared for him to go. Honestly, I was surprised that we managed to raise enough for his last contract. Our endowment is about 1/8 of Michigan's and we had to both raise ticket prices and shake down every possible donor.
And I'm not surprised that after the Pitt loss and subsequent offer from M that Garrison, Pastilong and most of the donors told him to pound sand. I really don't know if RR wanted to stay or go, but he really didn't have any choice after that. Bad timing on everyone's part.
I don't get the statewide existential meltdown but yeah, it sure looks like a messy divorce. My question is, does MI really want the trailer? You wanted a coach with national stature. I guess you got him.
My other question: Is the spread really relevant at Michigan? I thought one of the things that makes M attractive to recruits is the fact that Wolverines go on to pro careers. Last time I checked, mobile quarterbacks have a pretty short shelf life in the NFL. Going to the spread seems like an odd move for a quarterback school. One thing you can say for RR is that he's always been adaptable to the level of talent he has available; witness Pat White. If his newfound access to top-drawer athletes means what I think it does, maybe the folks here who are afraid smashmouth Bo-ball is gone for good shouldn't worry so much.
You can run the spread without running the option. In a way I wish Mallett had stayed around to see how it worked. In another way, if you aren't into it, it's best to go.
But thanks for a sane view from WVU.
>Other Chris.
What option play does the Patriots run out of their spread formation??
The best phrase in Mandel's article:
"You're the psychotic ex-girlfriend."
Phil -
Should you ever come back to look for any responses, let me thank you for a fair view.
This Michigan grad, well aquainted with the Michigan Man tradition, is not at all impressed with the way RR left West Virgina. He gets far too many passes here from the faithful, but that sort of moral relativity is anthema to our tradition. You may be right, he out grew the school, but one never out grows the right way to handle things, including goodbye. They were good enough for him to watch a lot of people dig deep to bring him back, for fans to pay more. They deserved to be looked in the eye and that RR couldn't do it, is all on RR.
As for his spread offense, well Michigan's QB tradition is just washing down the tubes. If Pryor opts to come to Michigan, add a couple of cement anchors on the feet of that tradition.
As for the Carty bashers, a man I can't stand, I'll remind many of you that when you were all bashing Carr you seemed to have no problem repeating his tripe. So much of the BS that is passed around here as the truth started with none other than Carty.
By the looks of this, and other videos on Youtube featuring the fine folk of West Virginia, if RR paid the 4 Mill everyone in that state could have a new wardrobe.
Maybe Carty is just encouraging philanthropy.
If you're proud to have an asshat like stewart mandel on your side you're worse off than I ever imagined. I know I'm glad to finally have RR out of our system and cant wait to see how a coach who isnt afraid to make adjustments will call a game. You guys on the other hand are just beginning this ride with "rod". How do you like it so far?
Wow. I just read alot of your thoughts and you sound really desperate up there in the mitten. I guess all those losses are starting to take their toll on the psyche. RR will be a miserable failure. I just watched his PC announcing his assistants and couldnt have come away with more of a "what a phony douchebag" feeling. MICHIGAN...thank you for taking this clown off our hands and re-invigorating our winning attitude. That fiesta bowl was the perfect sendoff for him. If he was on the sidelines there is no doubt we would have lost that game. He is just an awful, ego-centric, ass who is finally gone.
The problem with Carty is that he's a baby. Ever notice how up until yesterday he had only written positve things about RR? But guess what? Once RR rebuffed his question, Carty realized that he wasn't accessible. That's why he was such a brat to Carr, and then he has the nerve to act like he loved Carr all along and jump on the "we'll miss you Coach Carr XOXO" bandwagon! He's a scumbag, hack reporter with a bratty prima donna attitude. I hope no one ever answers his questions.
Don't get me wrong. I've said that Carr should leave out of anger, especially after App St. I realize that the game has passed him by. But he knew that, and he knew that there were other things in life. But I came to realize that he's one of the classiest, most loyal father figures in the business. Carty was just repeating what others said.
Luke...if you thought that he was such a bad coach and couldn't wait for someone to take him off your hands, then you wouldn't be so bitter. I mean, that's why everyone felt so betrayed, right? Because he's such a bad coach.
You 'eer fans are in no place to call anyone disingenuous...or chemically imbalanced, for that matter.
"I've said that Carr should leave out of anger"
I meant that out of anger, I have said that Carr should leave, not that Lloyd should get angry and leave. You all knew what I meant.
that poor hillbilly
In hindsight...looking at the easy games he should have won...yes. have you never looked back on a season losses and wondered why? Pitt? Hello? All I can say is...enjoy. I'm completely content with the direction the school is headed with all its hires. Do you think RR is the only coach out there that can coach that type of offense? He didnt invent it. And you guys have never run it. Again...all I can say is enjoy losing the big conference games...oh wait...thats nothing new to you.
"gold and blue" of michigan - haha - way to go buddy, straight hillbilly trash... get over it he's gone
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