HAHAHA oh my goodness. That is hilarious. The lions should disappear.
http://mgoblue.com/
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Looks like we will be on of the very first live football games broadcast on the BTN...
Guys .. apparently Jonas Gray tore up the camp with a sub 4.4 40m.
I think this is becoming a case of bird.in.a.hand.better.two.in.bush
We are banking on McGuffie ( the kid who might bolt to Fl or USC or OSU with a high probability . see RoJo) and haven't offered a promising kid in the backyard.
It'll suck real bad if both of them don't choose us.
After Hart.. who?! I am not sold on Minor. Carlos Brown has speed but has zero vision. Grady is a glorified fullback.
Anyone has more light to shed w.r.t this situation. Please.
how do I actually get to the "recruiting board"?
on the left under MGOBRICKS...
2008 recruiting board
And yes the whole Jonas Gray thing does bother me...
With regards to Gray, don't you think the coaches must have some reason not to offer him as of date?
He's right in their backyard. I'm sure they know he's there and what he can do. Considering the fact they have offered a number of other RBs besides McG, Deboskie and Scott, I would have to trust that if they haven't there must be some reason.
Either there is something that they want him to prove to them, something they want to see from him, or something that is excluding him from an offer altogether.
If he gets an offer during camp, I would expect it to be the former - if not, then I expect it is the latter
Gray has his offer.
Seems like M fans are cooling off of McGuffie...what's the deal with that? I understand the confusion over (previously) not offering Gray, but now it seems like people are soooo over McGuffie and all over Gray on various recruiting boards. Is this just a reaction to McGuffie not committing yet? I mean, it's late June, not late December. People are saying RoJo all the way for McGuffie, I don't see how anything has changed.
Gray can bolt for FL and a bunch of other places as well. Why are we so confident in him all of a sudden?
Especially because Gray's stock will most likely rise knowing that he runs a sub 4.5 on a Michigan track that has a reputation of being pretty slow. I don't doubt he gets a bunch of other tempting offers and "bolt".
Have I totally missed something, or is OSU *seriously* in the running for McGuffie? I've read him mention them, but (to me) it's always seemed in passing... given Sam's comments about wanting the U$C offer, I always took it to be more about the prestige of having the offer... I've never really considered OSU as being in the legitimate running for McG's services. Am I just in the dark?
Go blue!
Where have you seen this, kgh? I didn't want to throw this up in the update, but this comes from BP:
They have promised McGuffie he would be the first RB to commit publicly.The poster has a tight connection with the Trotwood-Madison program and has dropped a hint or two like that previously. That says two things to me: McGuffie is basically a silent and maybe Shaw is, too. This is where the disclaimers about "silents" go, right, but we have *way* more evidence that McGuffie is serious than we ever did Rojo: flying up to unofficial multiple times, public quotes to the effect M leads. Rojo said nothing all year; all we had to go on was the insider grapevine. And though that's usually accurate it's always a bit distorted because it comes from what the player tells the coaches instead of what the player tells the world. You can tell multiple coaches they lead, but you can't do it publicly.
the GBW calling Shaw an ATH is a Joke. He is a RB and only a RB. Played very little defense ever.
For all you know Shaw could have already verballed to Michigan. Just keeping it quiet.
Anyway, I would be surprised if Stonum, McGuffie, or Smith weren't commits by summer's end. As for Gray... who knows?
rotten dang blockquote closing.
bp link:
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/
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Which part were you asking about? I was actually reading some of the scout free-board GBW stuff in JFCC, and numerous posters were concerned about how "McGuffie is all over the place" and "I just see McGuffie being this year's RoJo. The experts don't seem to agree, but then again, they all thought RoJo would be blue as well." Pretty much just "gut feeling" type of comments, but I was just wondering where they came from especially when they had a thread about "rolling the red carpet out" for McGuffie when he comes to Ace Deuce. Seems like it went from green light to red in one week.
Question...how would they promise McGuffie that he would be the first RB to commit publicly? Especially with offering Gray, how would they know he wouldn't commit on the spot? Unless I'm reading that incorrectly, it doesn't make much sense. Anywho, I agree...I don't see how any of the McGuffie stuff is similar to RoJo and that we should be turned off all of a sudden. It's just an observation I thought was unfounded and it confused me, that's all.
So if Gray got his offer, I guess the coaches finally got what they wanted out of him... The question now is whether he is going to sit on it, or pull the trigger..
Brian - There is also this on BP "they've promised McGuffie alot. Thus far they've told him he'd be their only RB if he came in, that he'd play as a frosh, he'd be an option at KR/PR, and that he could have the #2 if he wants it."
Telling McG that he'd be the only RB coming in seems pretty crazy to me. Especially if there is another top recruit that might also be interested...
I totally agree 97, seriously are people making things up for fun or do they have legit inside info? Someone's very unsure about their information, cuz some of the posters on that board have conflicting opinions. Promising him the no.2 is different from the guaranteed playing time etc, and I've only heard about the former from McGuffie.
I also have a hard time believing that if they thought Scott was serious about Michigan that they'd be promising McGuffie all of these things. Scott is the best RB in the nation, that's not even an argument. If we knew we had a great shot with Scott, McGuffie wouldn't be promised any of that. This is mostly directed at the poster super_mario's comments.
I saw that too. (The post that Scott is highly interested)
Basically it is all rumors and hearsay till it shakes out publicly.
And even then you can't count on anything till the LOI is signed.
anyone who thinks any recruit is another ROJO is a moron. (NOT NOT NOT directed to anyone specifically). that whole ROJO thing was nuts and likely never to be seen again (w/ Mich anyway). it was a fiasco and mirrored probably no other recruitment...evaaaahh. there will always be surprises sure, but the circumstances that surrounded rojo was rediculously unique.
i doubt that M told McG he'd be the only RB prospect...how could they when Gray is in the yard and 2-3 others have serious thoughts about M? McG has to know that at a place like M, OSU, USC, Tex there will always be stiff competition from guys in his class, older, younger, whatever.
so, who are the potential camp commits as of now? Gray (tentatively sure), the TE from toledo (Koger?). are the Texas guys up for the camp? are they committing sooner or later in the fall?
brian i don't know if you've been informed of this yet but you are kelly green's (poster goirish) asshat of the week.
congrats, i can only hope one day the ND fan base has as much ire for me as they have for you.
go blue!!!
"anyone who thinks any recruit is another ROJO is a moron. (NOT NOT NOT directed to anyone specifically). that whole ROJO thing was nuts and likely never to be seen again (w/ Mich anyway). it was a fiasco and mirrored probably no other recruitment...evaaaahh. there will always be surprises sure, but the circumstances that surrounded rojo was rediculously unique."
Plenty of hyperboles apart, are there any facts in your assertion that substantiate the uniqueness of RoJo's recruitment?
In my book, RoJo, Justin King, Jai Euguene et. al. are all recruits who have played with us fans and our staff at some point ( according to various sources anyway ) just to bolt to some other school.
How is McGuffie any different? I don't have premium membership and pardon me for that but I don't buy that he's a silent commit until he dons Maize and Blue in 2008.
It's a bit unfair to compare Jai Eugene to Rojo; it seemed like the kid sincerely wanted Michigan, but it would mean leaving his son behind:
http://michigan.scout.com/2/494824.html
I really don't think Michigan will end up without a top running back. Jonas Gray still said MSU is his leader after the UM offer. But with McGuffie, Gray, Darrell Scott, and DeBoskie in the mix, we're going to come away with one of them.
Michigan has been a running back factory for years. When it comes down to it, McGuffie is going to look at Texas A&M, Gray is going to look at MSU, DeBoskie is going to look at Cal and say, "This team's history of producing running backs blows."
And at least one of them will become a Wolverine.
I'm not worried about it.
re: BP. Some people there have inside info, some don't. "unionfutura" has legit inside info. I think super_mario is regurgitating GBW stuff. That's speculation because I don't subscibe to GBW, but I don't think he's an insider.
re: free board stuff on GBW. I wouldn't pay that any mind. There is always some guy giving you his "gut feeling," and their guts are even less reliable than their heads.
Er, Michigan=running back factory? Really?
Chris Perry, Anthony Thomas, Tim Biakabutuka, Tyrone Wheatley? Sure, they are all first/second round picks, but many people consider them (or at least the last three) busts.
Plus, how are they any better than Marshawn Lynch and J.J. Arrington?
@js:
If "busts" means setting records for Michigan while here, I'll take 'em.
Ive said for months that we dont get McGuffie.
Just a feeling ive had.
well, the only similarities are that they didn't pick M....that's it. those guys are all out of state. no one's mom was heavily involved and basically steering them away from M. there were no rumored double commitments, no soviet-like control of info designed to string out the coverage of the kid. no coaches allegdly holding letters from other schools from the kid. like i said, there will always be surprises, gurus that turn out to be wrong, locks/solid verbals that switch last minute, but nothing compares to the rojo fiasco. king verballed to PSU a few months before signing day. Eugene decided to stay by his kid after a VERY public verbal to M. and the Matrix?....well, it's still june and already this kid is a rojo? it's laughable. see brian's post above.
saying some kid is "this year's RoJO" is like saying some DB will be this years Chuck Woodson. the point is, maybe he'll be this year's "surprise dissapointment" or "early M lean who went elsewhere" who knows for sure....but this years rojo is going waaaay too far especially for an out of state kid 8 months before signing day. anyway, just imo.
plus, i never understood why people pour the haterade on Eugene and King. they were tough surprise losses, but man, that happens every year.
If I were a high school RB, I'd be happy if the college I chose produced running backs like Mike Hart (a potential Heisman candidate), Chris Perry (a Doak Walker Award winner), and Anthony Thomas (Michigan's all-time rushing leader) over the last 7 years or so.
Heck, even Chris Howard, BJ Askew, and Wheatley have stuck around the NFL for a while and made a good living.
None of these guys is an All-Pro, but if you start at Michigan, you're all but guaranteed at least a short NFL career. Not to mention the glory and respect such a position garners in their personal lives.
I share 97alumni and Dan's skepticism regarding alleged promises to McGuffie that he'd be the only RB recruit. Lloyd made a similar kind of promise to Henson, and ended up in a difficult spot when SuperDrew unexpectedly went for the Yankee dollars. I can't believe Carr would make the same mistake twice, just on principle. If nothing else, the injury factor for RBs is pretty significant... there's no way to guarantee McGuffie will come through his senior year unscathed.
I'm still real curious why they didn't offer Gray before now, if they really have offered. It's gotta be either attitude, or grades.
FWIW I heard Gray punched a kid during a game...like, in the face. Gray, Deboskie, and Scott are really good true RBs but I think McGuffie could do a bunch of stuff. If we get Scott somehow, I will be ecstatic. But since that doesn't look particularly amazing in our favor, I'd rather we land an all-purpose type of guy like McGuffie mainly because of what the RB pool is offering next year, and in-state too.
Larry Caper, an in-state RB looks preeettty dang good already, and he's only a sophomore/going to be a junior. He received an offer from Michigan during camp this week. Not to mention another in-stater Hershey Jackson who is also dang good. I know it's early, but both of these kids look like top 100's for 2009, and Caper looks like he'll be a top 25 type RB. That's one of the main reasons why I'm not enthralled with Gray or even Deboskie and would much rather get McGuffie if we had to choose one.
Michigan is Quarterback U
Penn State is Linebacker U
Miami is Tight End U
USC is Running Back U
etc.
Dan,
since RoJo didn't come to Michigan, the story gets irrelevant. He was just a "Michigan lean recruit who bolted to another school in the final minute" right now. Just like others.
Logic points to McGuffie committing to Michigan eventually. Because USC and OSU have the RB stable full and overflowing. Our competitor might be Florida and Sam should realize Florida isn't a pro system.
Anyway, anything can happen. My cynicism with all things recruiting reached a peak when RoJo shafted last year. Ultimately we are asserting based on the vagaries of a 17 yr old dude's mind. So, when he's a strong verbal...
However, I am not that anti-blurb anti-rumor... which seem to be the key things that keeps us college fans going in the off-season. Thanks for all the info people.
Does anyone else find it weird that Sam McGuffie isn't even on the Rivals 2008 Running Backs list?
Re: Mgolicious - Katie "0.04 ERA" Osburn is committed to Miami (Ohio). We're getting a catcher that batted close to .750 though.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs...RTS05/
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Yes, I follow baseball and softball recruiting now.
yes, eeks i guess.....and woodson was just another pretty good cb. agree to disagree i suppose. anyone see that ASU-Irvine CWS game? i love the asu unis...stirrups!!! yellow hats!!!!
According to Rivals, McGuffie is their #1 all-purpose back.
Just heard that the App. State game is going to be on the BTN. All I have to say is Boooo! I am stuck in Crackland, OH so I will get the suckeyes versus YSU. Boooo! At least last year, I could get all the Michigan games with Game Plan.
What's the difference between an all-purpose and a running back?
Mark,
He has the ability to return kicks, punts, catch passes out of the backfield, run routes out of the back field, ect. If you wanted to, you could probably name it the Reggie Bush position... although I seriously doubt McGuffie is as explosive and elusive as Bush. He's as close to a Reggie Bush type player you can get in this class.
isn't it time that someone, at least in the comments section, laid out the entire rojo story? here's my best guess, but it'd be great if people added and corrected:
he was a silent M commit. his mom wasn't thrilled with M. his mom accused his high school coaches of keeping letters from other schools from him. she then forced him to de-commit from his silent verbal and to choose any school but M.
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