Cock an eyebrow? Please. You've been too nice... almost bordering on fawning... to us recently.
Go ahead and take a cheapshot. You really owe it to yourself.
Five credit liberal arts classes?(!) Is there a lab?
Michigan shouldn't talk about easy classes because they have kinesi....umm...kinis... ::google:: ...kinesiology majors!
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The Red Cedar Message Board
One thing that you didn't mention is that the remedially educated player likely sitting in a brighter kid's seat; this, of course, presumes that a class size is fixed, which it isn't. But where enough less bright athletes are admitted, it means that at least some unathletic smart kids who wanted to go to UM can't.
At this point we could go off on a riff about the admissions lawsuits, but I'll leave that to someone else.
I'll take the cheap shot. This is from the OSU course guide, which is accessible at this link: http://adsd1.it.ohio-state.edu/c.../
cbulletin.aspx
These results were from a keyword search of "football":
156 Football
Fundamental skills of touch football.
156.03 Flag Football U1
Co-ed sections for experienced touch football players.
196 Varsity Squads
Participation as a player on a varsity squad.
Prereq: Admission by tryout. Repeatable to a maximum of 10hrs.
631.04 Football U G 2
This course will assist students in acquiring advanced performance skills and strategies in flag/touch football.
Also in their Phys Ed department:
137 Sport for the Spectator U 3
A study of the great American spectator sports including football, basketball, baseball, ice hockey, golf, tennis, and others which meet the interests of the class.
The other question that is being alluded to in this series of posts but never stated explicitly is how much responsibility do the universities have to force the 340 pound maulers to schedule appropriate classes and pick a major that will help them succeed in life outside of sports. Your average athlete already has the following advantages over regular students: Free room and board, free tuition, some sort of stipend for things like pizza and new clothes, better access to tutoring and advising. At what point do we stop holding the athletes' hands?
It's not as though you can't get an outstanding education at the public degree mills -- it's just not a guarantee. It all depends on how much work you put into it. That's why (continuing with Ohio State) you get the Craig Krenzels and Anthony Gonzalezes along with the Maurice Claretts and Sammy Maldonados. You see the same disparities in the general bodies of these schools as well. It's just the nature of modern public education.
where is max martin these days?
off topic, but from what i've been reading, '08 basketball recruiting is going downhill fast...we're all but out w/ delvon Roe & we lost a 6-8 kid from saginaw i think...to Kentucky.
on topic, why not get a FoIA request to see what degrees these guys are leaving with...and their transcripts? can any of those courses Oden is taking actually apply to the 24-36 needed for a concentration ...or even a minor? can they apply to a humanities/social science/physical science/culture/lab requirement?
Dan,
There is a federal law that prohibits that.
I AM the LAW!
what's the organization that certifies universities' accreditation? can't they run an audit on "questionable practices" within a univ. under their umbrella?
and of course by "questionable practices" I mean handing out degrees from "the ohio state univ"
Re: Max Martin...
Did he get kicked out of 'bama? The only thing I can find out about him is that he is still on the tide roster according to the espn page.
[i]The SEC doesn't care about football people. [/Kanye][/i]
LOL! this is good comedy
For what it's worth, those classes that Oden's taking are part of OSU's general education curriculum. It's the usual "creating a well-rounded person" thing schools do. Students generally schedule easy classes to fill GEC requirements since A.) the classes aren't much use in the real world anyway, and B.) it'll make up for the GPA hit they'll take in real classes. So it makes sense that Oden would schedule the easy classes now, when he's spending most of his time playing basketball. And he can continue to do that for at least his freshman year, but if he's serious about staying multiple years, sooner or later he'll have to take actual classes.
And I think jj hit on the crux of this issue: what do the schools owe the athletes? It seems unethical for a school to use a guy for four years to make them money, then turn him loose at the end no better than he was at the beginning. But if you're making an athlete (a legal adult, not a kid) get an education that he doesn't want, he's just going to coast through classes in a fake major, and there's no benefit there for anyone.
Let me speak here as an OSU student for a moment.
The History of Rock and Roll course, Music 252, fulfills the "Visual and Performing Arts" general ed. requirement. I took it last year. Too much death metal, not enough Zappa, but that's just me.
Regarding the Phys Ed. "football" courses that a previous poster pulled up: the Department of Physical Activity and Educational Services offers a ton of one credit-hour phys. ed. classes. I've taken racquetball myself, and I'll be taking golf next quarter. There's also courses that offer refereeing certification in whatever sport the class is, CPR certification, a skydiving course is offered periodically, SCUBA certification, and so forth. They're fun classes, and open to everyone. Although they're damn near impossible to get into if you don't have priority scheduling. And for the record, the university's scheduling priority is as follows: handicapped students, athletes, honors students, and then the general student population. Within each division, priority is given to graduating seniors first, then seniors, juniors, and so forth. As a second year honors student, I am given priority over non-honors seniors who hope to graduate at the end of the quarter. It's a good system, and it makes sense.
Whatever, that's my rant. The soapbox is open.
Thanks Dan...and I tend to agree with your somewhat mitigating analysis...I was a highly pampered honors student at a different Ohio school and, in order to fulfill a similar requirement to OSU's V & PA version, I took History of Jazz.
Also, being a humanities major, I took a highly remedial physics course (which required NO MATH! try wrapping your head around that)...
The point is, academic advisors ultimately will instruct you to schedule the tough classes where you need them and easy ones where you don't...Oden doesn't need ANY tough classes, since he doesn't care to graduate.
As for Brian's point about the scariness of people actually GRADUATING - as someone noted, these people will eventually have to take classes toward a major...
Oden is the rare exception, not the rule, methinks.
I think you are shortchanging the challenge thaat comes with being an athlete and a student. Perhaps you took more challenging classes, but you didn't have to practice every day and fly to a different place every week.
Max Martin appears to be at Alabama A&M. Seems to be a long way from the first quarter of the 2005 EMU game.
Source:
http://www.al.com/aam/huntsville...8510.xml&
coll=1
Is it so bad to have these kids graduate? I understand that it, to some degree, lessens the meaning of the degree everyone else holds, but it also stands as a major opportunity for the kid that he would not have otherwise. If that's the end result for the graduating student athlete, I think that's a pretty decent trade-off and one that allows the student-athlete to make of his opportunity what he will.
"Perhaps you took more challenging classes, but you didn't have to practice every day and fly to a different place every week."
No, but I had to work in my 20 hours/week of Tecmo Bowl and 3 to 4 nights/week of bar hopping. It took its toll.
I took the History of American Popular Music this year at Michigan and Leon Hall, Lamarr Woodley, and Jake Long were all in the class...This course helps to fulfill the humanities requirement at UM.
A lot of my friends down at OSU take the History of Rock and Roll class, it's supposedly very interesting.
However, there's probably a huge difference between the amount of 'filler' classes at U of M and at OSU.
I'm sure Buckeyes like Andy Katzenmoyer have a much greater appreciation of golf because of this..
These classes some people make fun of (History of Rock, Bowling, etc) are electives, as they don't have to fit any kind of major or minor. Every student, and I mean EVERY student, is capable of taking these classes. Oden, being a freshman, in theory, cannot have his course classes for his major until later in his college career. We all know he won't stay at OSU for longer than 2 seasons, but in theory, these "breeze" courses won't be taken by him in his JR and SR years.
"since I am an avowed Michigan fan..."
Really? I don't see it.
Funny side note - my freshman year, my dad wanted me to withdraw from Michigan because they didn't offer courses like Golf or Basketball for credit.
I laughed and laughed, then went up to the Media Union, and didn't leave for 5 years.
Having done my undergrad degree in music, I can chime in on the courses they offer at OSU just for being an interscholastic player. Music is a high pressure major with a limitless amount of competitive preparation, and it probably isn't even a measly fraction of how high-pressure playing a major revenue sport is. Consider our applied lessons requirement, which is a one-hour weekly private meeting with a professor of our given instrument plus a two-hour studio class for everyone who studies with that teacher. That class earns 6 credits, three times as much as the OSU athlete credit.
So of course, those who live in glass houses (musicians) shouldn't throw stones. HOWEVER, the degree we receive is a Bachelor of Music and not a Bachelor of Arts, and is thus appraised differently by potential employers. If pre-med majors do a Bachelor of Science, I don't see what would be wrong with having a Bachelor of Athletics, which would include a heavy distribution of business management, communications, and medical courses which would pertain to a large variety of future careers for those who don't end up getting drafted. A graduate from a reputable program would then be well-prepared to pursue careers in coaching, training, broadcasting, and managing in the sports field.
Music schools are wising up to this with our degree. They're slowly integrating a more well-rounded curriculum knowing that even in top programs, only 5-10% of musicians are employed based on aesthetic greatness in performance alone, which is almost identical to the likelihood of a major college football player earning any money playing pro football.
Would the alternative Bachelors program be worse than a bunch of BA's in General Studies? Not that music schools should be a model, but you were definitely right on in comparing our flexible admissions standards based on unique performance talents.
Colin, you say " Is it so bad to have these kids graduate? I understand that it, to some degree, lessens the meaning of the degree everyone else holds, but it also stands as a major opportunity for the kid that he would not have otherwise."
I'm all for these guys having the opportunity to go to school and EARN their degree, but as a Michigan student who has to actually study and work hard to try to graduate, I don't want degrees just being tossed out left and right to everyone who drifts through school. That defeats the entire purpose of going to an institution of higher learning.
That last post was me, I wasn't trying to comment anonymously.
These are the posts and comments I love reading. Always feel like I've learned something. Everyone gets along and puts their own personal experience/perspective into the discussion and ends up enriching it even more. Thanks guys for the read.
"I think you are shortchanging the challenge that comes with being an athlete and a student. Perhaps you took more challenging classes, but you didn't have to practice every day and fly to a different place every week."
I'm not sure how many athletes do this, but some of them will take a very light load during the season, and make it up during terms when they're not actively in competition. So in some cases thise could explain why so-and-so is only taking this many credits during the season. I know TJ Hensick was doing second year spanish in the spring term same time as me, and maybe his Hobey run is being helped by the fact he doesn't have to worry about meeting his language requirement during the season. Viva Hensick!
"as someone noted, these people will eventually have to take classes toward a major..."
Not if you're a general studies major, which a lot of athletes opt for. You only have a requirement for how many "upper-level" courses you need to take, and I'm sure they have the easiest ones already picked out.
I work in the Athletic Academic Center, and I noticed on the computers they have Kurzweil 3000 installed on the computers (http://www.kurzweiledu.com/kurz3000.aspx). I have a feeling if you were a non-athlete and required that kind of specialized software, you'd be going to WCC instead of UofM.
And as far as the supposed "blow-off" classes (History of Rock and Roll, History of Popular Music, etc), it's really more a matter of how the course is taught as opposed to the name/subject material. I took History of College Athletics last semester, and since the time it was offered conflicted with most teams' practice schedule, we only had one athlete in the class (somebody from the Crew team). It wasn't real challenging (from my perspective), but still not the kind of thing you could glide through without payign attention or doing any work. We had four 300ish page books to read, another couple hundred pages of reading material in the course pack, and two 5-7 page research papers that each had to include an interview. I personally feel my first paper should have its grade retroactively docked for quoting Jason Bailey in support of college hockey over Canadian Juniors.
As an educator, I see a problem in handing out so many degrees, especially those that are dummied down. As a society, we have shifted to an expectation that a high schooler graduates and should go to college. It is after all the American dream. However, not every kid is college material. There is nothing wrong with that. I see these kids in my class. They are great people. I also have many non-college educated friends who do very well. (Many who make much more than I do as a teacher.)
The problem with handing out so many degrees is we are becoming "over-educated." Jobs that used to require a Bachelor's degree are now requiring a Master's degree. The value of a college education is less than what it was 10 years ago. To make matters worse, it now costs more to get the degree needed for a job. Students must now complete two degrees to obtain a job that once required one. College isn't cheap. College twice is even more.
FWIW, here's a paper that was actually written by an actual Michigan starting lineman.
http://ahfb.blogspot.com/2006/10.../
caribbean.html
have a gander at gems such as:
"All together with the 700 islands, the Bahamas is 5,380 square miles long. The greater Antilles is 83,517 square miles long. the Lesser Antilles is...."
"Since the Caribbean is such a tropical place, it has tropical type animals such as agoutis, reptiles, crocodiles, tigers, leopards and other types of animals."
"While people were sleeping with each other, there were also transforms of all types of diseases."
just so we know what's in our own educational backyard before we start peering over the fences.
irony, thy name is kevin's term paper.
J-dub, are you suggesting fewer people attend college? if so, i'm not sure that would solve anything. especially the cost of education and the rate at which the US is falling behind other nations in # of engineers produced per year, for example.
can you give examples as to what jobs now require a MS that didn't before?
"I'm all for these guys having the opportunity to go to school and EARN their degree, but as a Michigan student who has to actually study and work hard to try to graduate, I don't want degrees just being tossed out left and right to everyone who drifts through school. That defeats the entire purpose of going to an institution of higher learning"
shorts,
It's really more of a matter of effort for me. If the guy/girl is literally sleeping/not attending class and not turning in original work, then eff that. There has to be some degree of work behind it. But the overall numbers we're talking about here is a matter of how many scholarship athletes over the course of 4 years? Plus, I'd imagine as long as employers conduct interviews, the tag "student-athlete" would mean whatever the specific student deserved.
on "king of queens" just now, they turned on a static-fuzzed "Jets game" for a second, but on screen, I'll be damned if it wasn't Michigan@OSU
I miss Michigan Football.
doesn't the practice of oversigning by some schools suggest that they deliberately tender more kids than they can keep on scholarship for four/five years....thus making it necessary to get them to "quit" just because they are not good enough (the scholarship is honored for kids who are too injured to play, right?).....to keep the team at the max 85...it seems there is more danger of taking advantage of a kid in this area than in the academic area...because as said above even the dreadfully under-educated student has access to services to allow him/her to improve
i hate the tigers for actually being good & forcing me to wait online for 3hrs to get tix to see the yankees.
Colin, I can buy what you're saying, I just tend to agree more with J-Dub. I feel like the college degree has been cheapened a bit. That being said, the whole "athlete drifting through school" thing probably hasn't affected most of the REAL majors (engineering, medicine, law, architecture, etc.).
so, after almost 2 hrs, the only tix available for the yankess are SRO.
and the best seats for CWS are upper deck (IF).
what a gyp. hows a normal person supposed to get tix?
Speaking of O-State, has there been any noise on their 2008 bball recruiting class?
It seems like it could be better than the Oden class. This is depressing.
http://michigan.rivals.com/commi...hool=56&
Sport=2
Dave, that's not to mention the 07 class they have featuring another 7 foot 5*.
facilities & NBA connections to the program are that big of a deal.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn here but I played small college football, and we were encouraged to only take 12 credits during the season. I took two five credit classes and football was two. The amount of time that is put into those two credits is unbelievable. I struggled with my 12 credit course load because of how much time and energy I put into football. I have no problem with athletes taking 12 credits during the season, especially Oden, who I'm sure has a lot more to deal with besides basketball. I am a Michigan fan so take that into account when you read this. Plus, how many of us took easy classes our freshman year?
Not I. I made the mistake of taking way too many hard classes as a freshman. And most pre-med folks I knew had to take Organic Chemistry as freshmen at UM. While a lot of freshman take easier classes to get comfortable in college, I didn't know anyone who took History of Rock and Roll. Gimme a break.
That said, on a different note, thank god Neitzel didn't hit that last second shot. Hate that guy.
"Dave, that's not to mention the 07 class they have featuring another 7 foot 5*.
facilities & NBA connections to the program are that big of a deal."
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If true, how do you explain the fact that OSU's previous coach, Jim O'Brien, couldn't recruit anybody even though he had the same facilities and NBA connections?
Common sense says it's the coach that matters most in recruiting.
I'm a little late coming to the discussion, but I do wish we had to take Phys Ed classes at Michigan. There were semesters that I took 16 credits of Econ, Accounting, and Calculus. Why? I was hoping I could get into the B school. After I got in, thankfully, I was "forced" to take Bschool classes. Although we were "encouraged" to take classes in other colleges, it was damn near impossible. I think have a phys ed. requirement would be nice because it would be a way to schedule in an hour or so to blow off some steam. I kow there were times I wanted to go play hoops at the CCRB, but I didn't because I felt overwhelmed by the reading, problem sets, etc...Maybe I should have had some guts, but as an 18-19 year old kid I didn't know any better.
Years ago, Arthur Ashe had an idea for big time college atheletes that I continue to like:
Today, football, basketball, and hockey, at least, are legitimate professions (as much as music, art or theatre and probably more lucrative professions than for many lawyers and doctors), and the University (if indeed it is to be universal) should treat them as such. Why not honor sports as a legitimate major? Teach the athletes (a) reading, writing arithmetic and any other basics like economics that they need to know to live; (b) how to present themselves professionally; (c) how to deal with agents and hangers on if they are the few who do turn professional; and (d) how to make a living out of the fact that they played big time sports in college even if they don't turn pro. Also, give them a semester's credit for playing on the varsity team. They shouldn't have to go to class during football or basketball season.
As a lawyer, I've represented some and met other former college athletes who were manufacturers' reps, insurance salesmen, and the like and who were able to make a very good living because they can get to see people that the ordinary salesperson cannot, just because they had played big time college sports. I'd rather that than have UofM grads working in the warehouse or worse.
If the universities are neither paying players nor making their "educational experience" worth anything, then they are truly cheating the "scholar-athletes" that we all pretend they are.
Anyone else watching this?
Just Win Baby!
With recent football slump over OSU, i'll take a win over them in anyway possible.
+1 Petway's Haircut
Absolutely watching this. Best I've seen a UM team play in a while. Go Blue!
Dammit, they're starting to fuck it all away... c'mon, guys, get it together and FINISH.
FTR, we've apparently played much worse after I started watching. And Sims misses the dunk.
Good riddance, Courtney Sims.
Fucking Courtney Sims. Good riddance.
Please tell me that 3/4 of a good game and a collapse at the end doesn't save Tommy's job.
What a bunch of choking assholes.
I feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy pulls the football away for the 3586th time.
a detroit lions-esque choke job to say the least.
FIRE AMAKER NOW!
Bye Bye Tournament
Courtney Sims is...I don't know. I want to say "Satan" but that seems a little harsh. Criminity. That's all there is to say. Criminity.
Fire NITommy!
wow im sick
Come on Dave, they were so close. I think he deserves another shot.
Four more years... four more years...
I truly believe Sims has regressed over the years after being FOY and that missed dunk proves that.
Although Sims missed the dunk, I do think he was fouled. It appeared as if the OSU player got Sims on Sims' left arm. With that being said, Jarrett Smith was clueless in the last 10 seconds. I had no idea what he was doing.
What's most frustrating about this loss is my girlfriend saying "they lost, how'd that happen?" (she was sitting right next to me reading a book and glancing at the tv occassionally).
Her comments sum it up. No team under Amaker has been able to finish. And because of that chances for a NCAA berth is finished.
It's time to go in a new direction.
wow that hurt, even when you decide you dont care anymore, this freaking team finds a way to get you to care so it can crush you. Again. Damn.
our NCAA tournament dreams are not crushed...
we can still win the big ten tournament...
or get knocked in the first round.
I haven't seen anything that soft since dipping chips a'hoy in my milk back in 3rd grade. Sad! :-(
Amaker isn't the problem. You got a bunch of guys with no heart or fire up on that pertruding land mass. No one who wants to win for the fucking sake of winning. Lloyd, John L, Amaker, Chrysler, GM, Detroit...It doesn't matter.
Lloyd=TA? Lloyd Carr's WORST team was 5-3 in the B10. TA's BEST team was 10-6 in the B10. Yeah, let's put them together in the same bin.
Just win ... the NIT, baby!
SOJ
You seem to have forget about the Tigers and Pistons. Also, sorry Carr doesn't "win for the fucking sake of winning" like Cheatypants McSweatervest. Because you know, he's the one on the sidelines and not playing the game.
Tommy Amaker has been a head coach for 10 years. He has ONE career NCAA tournament appearance. That is absolutely pathetic.
Email Bill Martin and lobby for a new coach:
wcmartin@umich.edu
Why am I not surprised that a fan of a rival team (Son of Jorel) is defending Amaker?
What's the excuse(s) this time? Was the grass too wet ON YOUR HOME COURT? Ha ha ha ha ha :) :)
Our "excuse" is the same one you guys made in football from 1988 - 2000.
What's the excuse(s) this time? Was the grass too wet ON YOUR HOME COURT? Ha ha ha ha ha :) :)
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Bwhahahahahahhahahahaha, funny!!!!!
Well at least they can't use "away game" excuse this time.... Madison Square garden is a fine place to play.......in November
Jarrett Smith is a turnover machine. Nice to see the guy hand the game away time and time again with under 5 minutes to play. Excellent job.
If players from the SEC are leaving school early to play in the NFL more often than players from other conferences, wouldn't that make it necessary for SEC schools to bring in larger recruiting classes each year? The decision to leave school early is entirely that of the student athlete, not their school's. In fact, their school would generally prefer that they stay and play college ball another year. Isn't this a valid reason for the disparity you have identified? You may not like to admit it, but the SEC has more players in the NFL than any other conference, and a lot of the good ones don't stay 4 yrs.
The difference between players leaving school early is negligible. Over the past two years (I couldn't find data from any earlier), the SEC has had 19 players leave early according to NFL.com, compared to 13 for the Big 10.
A difference of 6 players over a total of two years equals out to each SEC team losing an extra .25 players per season. This might have a noticeable effect once in a while on an individual school (like Florida this year, which lost several underclassmen to the NFL). But to say that every SEC school averages losing 3 more players than every Big 10 school every season is ridiculous. The early entries don't even come close to covering the difference.
shorts: A worthy retort. I didn't have the benefit of your data earlier, but will readily concede that my theory would not account for the entire disparity. However, I'm still not convinced that many (if any) of these young men would be better off not having matriculated at their school of choice, be it a Big Ten or SEC institution. The bottom line is that they are better off because of the opportunities their athletic skills have made possible. What they do with those opportunities is up to the individual players.
SOJ....
I would take the Tigers and Pistons over your sorry-ass Indians and Cavs any freakin' day - leave Detroit out of this cause last time I checked the Browns hadn't made the Superbowl either, and what about that Ohio hockey team? Seems like OSU football really IS all you guys got
I'm drunk on SoBe at 5:00 am...and all I can think about is Sims' missed dunk. What is wrong with me?
once again, amaker's post game comments were gracious and sportspersonlike-----i suggest that here we need life to imitate art---since martin is so committed to amaker, any chance of hiring an up-and-coming young coach to play the tony soprano role---while ta, aka, uncle junior, remains the face of the program?
I don't think OSU football can quite make up for the Browns or Indians. At least we have Wings, Pistons, and Tigers. Hell Mich Football isn't horrible either. And now the Lions at least find creative ways to lose games. So all in all, being a sports fan from Michigan is still infinitely better than being one from Ohio.
Notice that the wheels fell off after a television timeout (after the layup by Sims). That happens a lot with this team...
I believe Michigan is a combined 1-10 vs. Tressel and Matta since they got to Columbus. Unacceptable.
what about that Ohio hockey team
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Lmao.... Hockey??????????????? We're talking about hockey now?????????? LMAO!!!! ROTHFL????????? Hell while your at it why don't you toss in badminton, bowling, pool, synchronized swimming, and unemployment rolls.
I'm not sure why any of you take the SoJ bait. Ignore his ass.
I like OSU because they'll be getting me some upset points in my bracket. Considering I don't give a crap what your record is, if Tommy Amaker outcoaches your coach, you'll be lucky to make it to the sweet sixteen.
Too bad they don't do pools for the NIT, or we'd be able to return the favor.
I don't know about that, we've been an NIT powerhouse.
Just looked at the BTT and we actully could win it. We got Minnesota in the first round, Osu in the quarters (who we kinda proved we could beat), either Iowa or Purdue in the semis who i think we could beat, and then god knows who in the final. But the odds of us winning this thing are low and i guess im just some fan that wont give up to the end. I need to find a life
Hockey happens to be very popular in Michigan, (after all detroit is hockey town)just as burning couches happens be be very popular in columbus (flaming couch capital usa)
One of the Michigan Fandom Commandments:
Thy self-deprecation shall be wittier than thine enemies' insults.
I think something that fell through the cracks in this scholarship investigation is the fact that Alabama spent 5 of the years used in the analysis on probation, and during that time they had at least 20 scholarships taken away from them. I don't remember the numbers, but they were drastic.
Couple that with Miss St.'s mini-probation and scholarship losses and the gap between the SEC and the Big Ten is much greater.
And doesn't the fact that Auburn and Alabama have been on probation for recruiting violations and out of control boosters a combined 3 times in 15 years speak to this issue as well. Not only are they doing a huge disservice to the players, they are breaking the rules to do so.
Good God, are they really going to keep Amaker another year?
I'm not sure why any of you take the SoJ bait. Ignore his ass.
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Seriously. I haven't been on the comments boards here in a couple of months, and had completely forgotten about the dude. Frankly, I'm surprised he's still here. Does he really have so little going on in his life that he spends 365 days a year on an opposing team's boards?
Guess I just answered my own question.
soj is just angry because he's from a crappy state (believe me I live in Cleveland and it's just 2 hours on 71 from hell):
Poorest city - Cleveland
Crappiest capital - c-bus,
Most JuCo-like university - o.state, and
Most cracked-out ghetto - Cinci.
Some ohioians make fun of Michiganders because of the use of the right hand as a map. Well I have a map of ohio on my body too - my a$$. I bet we can all find c-bus!
Hey I'll proudly defend hockey...I dunno about the BlueJackets or whatever team is down there but Red Wings games are a blast. I'm not ashamed to bring hockey into the mix.
But I did mention baseball and basketball didn't I? I forgot, I guess thinking about the 1968 and 1984 World Series and the 1988-89 and 2004 NBA Championships made me forget about the topic for a while. How many championships does Ohio pro sports have in the last...oh 60 years or so?
I must really be depressing in Ohio waiting all summer for college football to start again, eh?
Tom, CSTV.com had an NIT bracket last year, and the link still goes to last year's bracket for now:
http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_h...umulative-
stats
ESPN.com even had one last year.
Did I somehow stumble on FreeDarko.com without realizing it? What do pro sports have to do with anything? (For the record, I'm from the NYC area, so I've seen three of my teams win championships in my lifetime and the fourth made it to game 7 of the finals).
Regardless, I really don't think Michigan really wants to get into comparisons.
Worst major city: Detroit. Not close.
Worst medium-sized city: Flint/Youngstown (push)
Worst economy: Michigan. Not close. If you listen closely, you can hear another auto plant closing.
I lived in Michigan for more than three years. I could not get out of that state fast enough.
If you are going to make a comment about previous commenters, please read the WHOLE comment section before you do so. Somebody insulted the whole state of Michigan, which obviously includes its pro teams.
You made yourself sound like just another ignorant New Yorker; you have three championship teams, we have three championship teams. So what? Ohio still has none.
While we're comparing stuff, let's do this one:
Worst major public university: tOSU (and it's not even close.)
Capisce?
Go back to New York, pinko!
Compared to MSU, EMU, CMU, WMU, BGSU, Cincinnati, Akron, Kent State, etc? You're not even remotely close to being right.
Er, are they major university? I only count UM and tOSU, but you are free to compare tOSU to those schools. I'm not even sure tOSU is better than Miami.
Hey I live in Chicago, Tommy and I'll admit that Michigan's economy isn't exactly grand...but was I talking about economy? Ohio's is just as shitty but I wasn't going into economics - I was talking about sports....and Michigan's has got Ohio beat.
read this SEC blog article on Badger football "Why Wisconsin WILL WIN IT ALL" http://sauriansagacity.blogspot.com/ ~may shock some Wolverine fans.
Actually that's a pretty accurate summary of Wisconsin football. Clearly, the rest of the Big 10 should be frightened.
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