Kind of a tool? Understatement of the century. That's like saying that Zoli is kind of Romanian.
Kind of a giant ass face, pock marked with the sins totaling far more than even the greatest tools.
ABSOLUTELY kind of a tool.
Good stuff, Bri.
...I find fat phil to be interesting,but pointless...
but brian, don't you understand...tenn, UF, Aub, Ala, Geo, LSU. those are 6 of the top 5 fastest teams in CFB. there's no way M, OSU, PSU, Iowa, Wisc, MSU stack up.
re: rules. there is no down side to the early signing period. get it done. the question is what's the date? 1st week of Aug before camps start would be too early. just after the season probably too late. mid-sept before the conference season maybe? w/o giving it much thought, wouldn't 5 years to play spread out the 85 limit to 85/5 per year instead of 85/4? so there would be fewer per class, by only 3-4 guys, but still. i guess SEC teams & oreSt would still sign 30 per year(150 guys over 5 years!!!). would the RS disappear?
"but brian, don't you understand...tenn, UF, Aub, Ala, Geo, LSU. those are 6 of the top 5 fastest teams in CFB. there's no way M, OSU, PSU, Iowa, Wisc, MSU stack up."
6 of the Top 5 fastest teams? Makes a lot of sense to me...
Maybe the SEC has a few more teams that one would consider good. But honestly, it's not that far off. Wisconsin's a good enough team to beat Auburn and Arkansas in the past two years in the Capital One bowl. Michigan's won the 4 of the last 5 bowl games against the SEC, despite their putrid bowl record in the last 5 years. Ohio State is terrible against the SEC, but they are still one of the top programs in the nation. Penn State is also a good program, and JoePa's bowl record speaks for himself. Iowa sucks, but that's more because of the type of recruits they are able to bring in. Given that the SEC has year-round football with copious amounts of athletes with 'SEC speed', it's kind of surprising that the SEC doesn't wipe the floor with all Big Ten and Big XII teams they play in bowl games..
To be honest, SEC fanboys really are comparing apples to apples while you're thinking you're comparing apples to oranges just because Florida whupped Ohio State. Be a little more willing to look at the big picture.
oh yea, almost forgot. i love the math-laden arguement for equality re: SEC-B10. but people will still put the MUCH smaller sample size results they want to see (UF-OSU result) ahead of your arguement.
Brian: "See coach fulmer, over the last 10 years, the B10 & SEC are 13-13...that's a .500 record. a .500 record means your just as good as the other guys, no better, no worse."
Fulmer: "don't give me that fancy mathematickin' boy. alls i know is we'd done had ta play in South Car'lina, in Gainesville, and Tuscaloosa. now, if your boys had to play that schedule, they'd be doggon finger-licked. now let's call the colonel for some lunch. heeeeuuuuuwweee itellyawhat."
Geico.com: so easy an SEC football coach could use it.
uhh steve, i was trying to use hyperbole. as in, "that paul o'niell is only happy if he goes 5 for 4."
Even if Meyer wasn't being a dickhead, his premise makes no goddamn sense. Players Injured for the year get a medical redshirt.
Also, do they get a bye week in the SEC? Wouldn't colder weather and no byes in the Big Ten lead to more injuries?
Egads fellas, we couldn't even win our ill begotten half of the national championship without ref intereference.
"They drove to the nine yard line with two seconds left when officials ruled that time had run off the clock, thus ending the game."
I read that thinking, 'they were at the 9?' This just in, the officials didn't rule that time had run off the clock. Time ran off the clock w/o any ruling by the officials. The way this guy wrote it the refs ended the game with 2 ticks on the clock (jumpin' jehosafat that there ain't legal.) All that aside, I'm pretty convinced by his argument because he used words like '54-15', 'destroyed' and 'number 3 team' to describe Nebraska but then used 'hanging on' to describe UM. Those right there are some pretty strong words. If he really wanted make his point he could have added, "UM nearly blew a huge lead AT HOME to OSU in their regular season finally--against JOHN COOPER and STANLEY JACKSON!!!!" In general, he'd be better off with all caps to ACCENTUATE his strong words.
Yet another reason why I can't stand Urban and Fat Phil. Shame since I don't have a real problem with their teams, just them.
I dunno...I put Florida in the Big Ten on NCAA 07 on a dynasty and simulated the season.
Loss to Penn State, Michigan, tOSU and of course @ Iowa.
That proves it, right?
Whether or not Nebraska gets a share of our '97 National Championship, remember, Nebraska is still Nebraska, and as far as I'm concerned, the only states that are crappier than that are Ohio and Canada.
"Given the system in place at that point, that's the only just outcome"
That's a huge caveat. It's like, suppose that I could only breathe if I put my arm fully up my own ass. Sure it makes sense _given the system in place_, but it also lets you know that "the system" is some fucked up, repugnant shit.
The same week that Michigan destroyed (!) an undefeated and then-#2-ranked Penn State 34-8 in Ann Arbor, Nebraska had to CHEAT to win in OVERTIME against an UNRANKED Missouri. The '97 National Title to Osborne was a gift from his fellow coaches.
Brian, I'd like to see the Big Ten v. SEC bowl records discussion reflect the difference in conference rank each year, too. For instance, over the last five years, the number of teams each school has had in the BCS has been:
2006: 2-2
2005: 2-1 Big Ten
2004: 1-1
2003: 2-1 Big Ten
2002: 2-1 Big Ten
This means that in three years, the Big Ten was pulling its participant in non-BCS bowl games against the SEC from ONE SLOT LOWER. For instance, in 2005, Auburn got to play Wisconsin instead of OSU; Florida got 7-5 Iowa instead of 10-3 Wisconsin. Over time, when you add this factor, I think it adds compelling evidence (especially if you can number crunch and make this more blog-writing-worthy) that the Big Ten's at least as good, if not stronger.
MSA01, I think you just QED'd some MFers. Watch them discredit bowl matchups as indicative, though, since it's never about head to head matchups, but always about whose dad could beat up whose dad.
Since the average person now takes 5 years to get a college degree, I don't have a problem with the rule, as long as it also means that redshirting is done.
Wasn't that 97 PSU game in Happy Valley? I'm pretty sure it was - we were huge underdogs. That was ESPN JUDGEMENT DAY RAH RAH HOOBITY BLAH freaturing #4UM @ #2PSU and... #3FSU @ #5UNC(?!). Glory Days.
"Yet another reason why I can't stand Urban and Fat Phil. Shame since I don't have a real problem with their teams, just them."
hhhomygod. Ladies... make an appearance all the way over here?
Hey SA, can you get me Andrea's autograph?
Early commits-I don't see any issue with allowing kids to commit before their senior season starts. If they want to "concentrate on their senior year" and get it over with, they should be able to.
By making these early "commits" possibly more permanent there is the possibility you might actually slow down the recruiting process - causing kids to take more time to make decisions rather than verballing somewhere and then decommiting, and causing schools to be more cautious about who they give early offers out to.
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Nebraska - My parents moved there right before the 97 season. I remember going out there for christmas break and upon arrival seeing one of the neighbors had put a huge block M in christmas lights with a red circle around it and bar through the middle (really a pretty nice job artistically). I asked my dad if he had a full gas can for the mower still from summer, but unfortunately he said no.
I do like visiting there though, cause it is the only place I have ever known where you can find $1 bottled beers and shots on a friday night.
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The SEC - I can't figure out for the life of me who is more annoying the SEC fans, or OSU fans. SEC fans are more whiney, so I pick them. Although their chicks are hotter.
I think the NCAA should do away with all playing of I-AA teams during the regular season to force more out of conference regular season scheduling.
Nebraska fans don't like it brought up that their '97 victory over Tennessee in the Orange Bowl was a gift.
Peyton Manning had been in the hospital all week with an infected knee and chose to give it a go at game time. He could barely walk, let alone run or roll out. He just stood in the pocket like a scarecrow, giving his offensive line no chance to keep the pass rush away.
Eventually, fat Phil went with unused freshman Tee Martin because Manning was useless.
So if Washington State played Michigan tough, it's because they had a healthy, mobile, effective quarterback. Nebraska basically got a forfeit.
MSA01 hit the nail on the head. i've been noticing this for YEARS. especially the PAC10. look at their bowl assignements:
Rose ...duh
Pac 10 No. 2 vs. Big XII No. 3
Pac 10 No. 3 vs. Big 10 No. 5
Pac 10 No. 4 vs. Big East No. 3
Pac 10 No. 5 vs. MWest No. 2
Pac 10 No. 6 vs. MWest No. 3
Pac 10 No. 7 vs. WAC
they get the lesser team untill the #4 team plays BEast#3 (which is these days, also playing down) and then it's all MWest & WAC.
all the B10 tie ins are #2 V #2, till the Motor City. Mean while, as MSA01 said, when the B10 gets 2 teams in the BCS, everyone in the B10 is "playing up" in their bowls. thus, the P10 wins the bowl W-L record cup, whatever the hell that thing is called. and the B10 hovers around .500.
Washington State was on the U-M 26 on the last play of the game, not the 9.
Can someone ask what 2 or 3 games he thought were tough for Michigan last year. Obviously, Penn State had to be a tough game, as they beat Tebb. And Wisconsin had to be a tough game, as they beat ARK. OSU was obviously tough, and ND was a tough game (they were a BCS team, after all). So that's 4 tough games right there, one more than Phil imagined.
Was Vandy a tough game? They are an SEC team after all. If they weren't, doesn't that hurt FP's argument?
As usual, the SEC folks never let facts get in the way of their idiotic arguments
I think the relevant point here is that we really controlled and dominated both Penn State (they had one big screen pass) and Wisconsin (our defense shut them down all day long). Both PSU and UW beat "good" SEC opponents. And since common opponents is really the only data point, I'd argue that the top 4 teams in the Big Ten would have comprised 4 of the top 6 spots in the SEC, no?
Couple of scores from '97:
Michigan-38
Baylor-3
Diff of 35
Nebraska-49
Baylor-21
Diff of 28
Michigan- 27
Colorado-3
Diff of 24
Nebraska- 27
Colorado- 24
Diff of 3
Two common opponents, two larger victory margins for the Wolverines. And in the Missouri game, the Cornsuckers were favored by 27.
Someone please inform Fill-up or Fill-me-up about our overall SOS last year. It's clearly more important than just looking at OOC or conference games-not that he's even correct on that one.
start the lebron is the greatest of all time talk...
i can't stand that guy.
i still think the pistons will win in 7.
I still can't believe the Pistons aren't whipping the Cavs. Uggh.
Im opposed to an early signing period.
Kids often get sent on visits to a school to watch a game of said school. A lot of times that kid has a front row seat to a pretty entertaining and atmosphere heavy game in which he gets what I call the "vapors".
The "vapors" is THAT game. Yes, THAT game. The one where a recruit watches some night game in the SEC and the drunken atmosphere wins him over FOR THE TIME BEING.
Those "vapors" are what cause 90% of DE-commitments, IMO. A kid get the "vapors" and commits without much thought and then regrets it in a couple days.
With an early signing period, alot of kids would be caught in contracts that were signed while intoxicated on the "vapors" of whatever team he saw last.
Kids are fickle now-a-days.
I say "NAY" on both options!
Man, that game was absolutely ridiculous. LeBron James was bananas.
Um...Mallett is freaking huge.
And he's relatively mobile?
I'm relatively aroused.
McDyess with the hovering headlock...nice!
Flip Saunders in over his head.....
Sorenson ranked Florida's strength-of-schedule at #10 and Michigan at #12. The SOS includes the bowl games, and in UF's case, the SEC championship game against Arkansas. See http://www.phys.utk.edu/
sorensen...g_Schedule.html
Here's the opponent rankings for each team in sequential order of their power rankings:
Michigan: Rose Bowl - Southern California (2), at Ohio State (3), Wisconsin (11), at Notre Dame (15), at Penn State (24), at Minnesota (47), Iowa (50), Central Michigan (51), at Indiana (70), Vanderbilt (74), Michigan State (83), Northwestern (94), Ball State (102)
Florida: National Championship - Ohio State (3), Louisiana State (5), at Auburn (8), SEC Championship - Arkansas (13), at Tennessee (14), Neural Site - Georgia (20), South Carolina (25), Kentucky (27), at Florida State (42), Alabama (52), Southern Mississippi (56), at Vanderbilt (74), Central Florida (106), Western Carolina (296)
If the conference is so much better then why did Fat Fulmer lose to a one dimensional PSU badly???????
Um, anyone remember 45-17? I just got Rocky Top out of my head a few days ago...
Wonder if they have an open date 8/30/08 or 9/20/08.
Don't forget fat boy voted UM eigth in the Coaches Poll in 97.
What Phillip Fulmer said was obviously stupid and wrong. While a particular team's results might differ due to which opponents it faced and which opponents it missed in the rotation, a Big Ten schedule is, on balance, as challenging as an S.E.C. schedule and no team in either league enjoys an easy road to a championship.
Urban Meyer is, in fact, an enormous tool, as evidenced by that quotation and every other noteworthy remark he has ever uttered for public consumption, all of which bespoke an unbridled arrogance about his position.
The evenness of the postseason records of the two conferences against one another clearly demonstrates that the Big Ten and the S.E.C. are of comparable quality and the differences between the two leagues are slight.
Had I possessed a poll vote in 1997, I would have ranked Michigan No. 1, as I believe the Wolverines were the better team of the two contenders.
Although Peyton Manning lost a Heisman Trophy balloting that he deserved to win, it was not, as many Tennessee fans believe, the 1997 award (which justly went to the best player in college football that year), but the 1996 award. (I saw both Manning and Danny Wuerffel in person against my team that season and Manning clearly was the better of the two.)
I offer all of those observations as a native Southerner, a University of Georgia graduate and season ticket holder, and an S.E.C. football fan.
I am hopeful that the foregoing statements will help to discourage the knee-jerk dismissiveness exhibited by some---not all, but some---Big Ten fans when reacting to the knee-jerk dismissiveness exhibited by some---not all, but some---S.E.C. fans.
Identifying nonsense and rebutting it with facts is fair game and most welcome. However, my great-great-grandfather was a Confederate veteran . . . as, incidentally, was Fielding Yost's father. Where one's ancestors stood upon important Constitutional questions in the mid-19th century is irrelevant to the quality of college football in the early 21st century.
Mocking the presumed manner of speaking supposedly exhibited by those with accents from other regions also seems a bit childish and unnecessary. Try to imagine how ridiculous it would look if I tried to render a quotation from, say, Joe Paterno that was written to emulate the way he actually sounds.
Factual data and actual quotations not only are fair game, they are welcome subjects for discussion, as any rebuttal of an untrue statement gets us all closer to the correct answer, which always is a desirable goal, even when our own ox is getting gored.
Belitting fans of other conferences or the populations of other regions en masse, however, is unnecessary and unproductive. As a proud Southerner and loyal S.E.C. fan who tries to write respectfully of other other teams, leagues, regions, and fans, I am saddened when civility of the sort called for recently by Maize 'n' Brew Dave breaks down and fans fall to snide mockery when what is called for
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Belittling fans of other conferences or the populations of other regions en masse, however, is unnecessary and unproductive. As a proud Southerner and loyal S.E.C. fan who tries to write respectfully of other other teams, leagues, regions, and fans, I am saddened when civility of the sort called for recently by Maize 'n' Brew Dave breaks down and fans fall to snide mockery when what is called for is reasoned discourse.
Brian, while there were particular points with which I found fault, your posting was a sound and sensible one overall and I thank you for taking the time to write it. Nice job.
Korea Blue, what's that homepage about? Is it getting enough traffic to be worthwhile?
i guess to kyle, fulmer doesn't remind him of Foghorn Leghorn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fog...Foghorn_Leghorn
"A leghorn is a breed of chicken, and foghorn describes the character's loud, overbearing voice. "
also, there's the picture.
"That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son".
On SOS, I believe there were some other ratings that had different results, i.e. UM with a higher SOS rating than 12th.
I wonder how Kentucky got rated 27 when they lost by 31 to Louisville and 49-0 to LSU?
SEC speed, lloyd. SEC speed.
Corn Nation is operating out of a backwards meme. Michigan was #1 in both polls entering Jan. 1. Nebraska, not Michigan, was given the gift title, with the unprecented event of moving a #1 team that won its bowl game out of the top spot in the coaches' poll.
Also, someone tried to hose Michigan by voting them #3 or #4 (this is evidenced by the 4-point differential in the USA Today/ESPN poll, even though NU only had a 2-vote edge in first-place votes.) I and many others at that point called for the coaches' poll to be public, as the AP is. That did not happen, and not until the Texas/Cal screwing did they unveil names in the final poll.
The coaches' poll is without credibility and should be abolished - it also guarantees its #1 final vote to the winner of the BCS title game, which violates the definition of a poll as an abstract of many people's opinions on something. Its credibility problems caused the AP to pull out of the BCS, causing the Harris poll to be born with has negative credibility.
Dan, you have a short memory. with a few exceptions, the Rose Bowl has always matched up PAC-10 & Big-10 best teams. Bottom line, your best isn't good enough . Why do you keep comparing yourself to #2,#3,#4,#5, etc. Fact is in face to face competition your best isn't very good. No conspiracy. You sound like a SEC fan.
The foreshadowing in this post is great.
Note the de rigeur "in the SEC we have it tough" and the disingenuous assertion that one extra game against Western Carolina or Appalachian State that's over by the second quarter imposes an unbearable strain upon already stretched-to-the-max student athletes."
Hmm. Appalachian State, huh? I need not say more.
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