I thought they were chanting "Tressel," not "asshole."
Tall white dude. Excellent.
any word on what, if anything, RR said during the game?
RAAAAH I ONLY CARE ABOUT FOOTBALL BRRAAAAAAHH
Good post, Brian. I hope we can big up some big names once we get to the off-season.
Ugh, I mean "pick" up some big names.
if basketball is 75% recruiting, was Beilein a good hire? just askin'.......
oh, and was teh court storming that big? on TV, it looked like 4-5 students ran around the court, but no one else joined in.
Michigan had four turnovers at halftime and nine for the game. I... uh. Is that legal?
If it ain't, this is the first time I'd ever advocate Michigan doing something illegal to win.
@anon
The end of the last thread had a link to RR at halftime.
As for the rush, with the small # of people at the game, it was fairly big.
This pic is with wide angle lense so also deceiving, take it as you will.
http://photo.the-ozone.net/
detai...urnPageNumber=2
The rush was really late and started with about 10 kids on each side then everyone joined in and sung "It's Great to be a Wolverine".
The Buckeye fans sure sounded like they were chanting ass-hole a lot more than Tressel.
Udoh's D
http://photo.the-ozone.net/detai...1&
PageNumber=17
vs Gibson's D
http://photo.the-ozone.net/detai...1&
PageNumber=21
Thanks for the link to the new blog. I was dying for some more hoops coverage on here.
And please, nobody try to hijack this comment thread with football talk. I hate some of you fairweather assholes.
In the interest of staying on topic and not hijacking the thread, I'll say good job, hoops. Nice win. But that's pretty much all I got.
Off topic, not to defend the kid, and maybe I missed something, but I'm just wondering if Pryor's such a media whore, where's he been lately?
"Tressel" makes sense in the context of a taunt. "Asshole" makes sense in the context of being a Buckeye. So yeah, that's probably what it was, and I apologize for giving them the benefit of the doubt.
@BRCE
I honestly, truly read your post after I posted mine. Sorry.
mgobleu, Pryor is busy trying to fight opposing fans. :-)
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/20...p-a-
little.html
Where has Pryor been? Inciting riots with opposing fans at high school basketball games. He'll fit right in at OSU.
http://www.observer-reporter.com...08-kovak-
column
I thought they were saying Booo-urns.
The Buckeye fans were chanting "Tressel", not "ass-hole". The Detroit News, Detroit Free Press and Columbus Dispatch all reported it this way.
less Ron Coleman! I like it! Could be the secret.
Basketball is definitely not 75% recruiting. If so we are screwed.
Second. This was the first bball win in 7 games against O state, not to mention we haven't beaten them the last 4 years. Fans deserved to rushed the court and have some fun.
'I thought they were chanting "Tressel," not "asshole."'
JeremyB
I don't hear the difference. Are those really different words?
I like the way Snnnrub thinks!
the only thing that the half-court press did was take time from our shot clock... so our offense had very little time to get set.
but all we do is chuck 3s, so what's the diff? unless you're running a 1-3-1 FC press to pressure our guards (who don't have great ball handling ability aside from Grady, imo) a zone won't help you against M. am i wrong?
For the record, I was there, I thought they were saying asshole. My friend sitting right next to me thought they were saying Tressel.
So there you go.
I think it was "tress-hole".
All the comments are about the chants at RR.
You people don't know anything about basketball. Pathetic.
Oh I thought it was "Assell"
BCRE is about to call all you people enablers. i can feel it.
maybe cuz, for the most part, college basketball kind of SUCKS. the only college basketball team i like is michigan, but that's only because it's michigan.
@BRCE
I admit, I know precious little about hoops, and I add nothing to the convo. That said, adios, y'all.
i still can't believe we have won 3 games in a row. awesome. also, on a side note Pryor took a shot a Mark May. huge points for that TP regardless of where you goto school b/c Mark May is a huge tool, probably the biggest they got at ESPN.
I am glad that people on other boards also said we are tourney bound next year. That was my knee jerk reaction to a win against the 5th best team in teh big ten. I am not alone.
But, I'm sticking to it.
It was neither...they were saying "satchell"......mark my words
I thought I heard Tressel.
Stupid suckeyes always trying to stir the pot.
Sorry BRCE, but did anyone read the Amani Toomer article in the Freep?
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d.../802170560/
1054
I had no idea Toomer felt that way towards Lloyd and return visits to A2.
It sounds like Toomer didn't have a great relationship with anyone in the program
...Upon further review I believe they were chanting *tress-hole.* Nice win Blue! Starting to come together. Can't wait for the *payback tour* start in the Big X.
Mstudent... word on Kolarik? i'd be shocked if he came back for any part of the season.
I like that my basketball knowledge is about 1/32nd of my football knowledge, because it allows me to enjoy this 3 game winning streak with little worry instead of focusing on the inevitable return to earth.
TOURNEY BOUND THIS YEAR WOOOOOOOO
So Toomer was a cancer in the locker room? Toomer....cancer? Oh me!!!!
Oh I thought it was "Assell"
kgh10 | 02.18.08 - 1:10 pm | #
I think they were chanting for Josh ASSELIN
Anyone have any info as to what the rift is between Toomer and Carr? It seems as though Toomer doesn't even keep in contact with his former teammates, either. Hes not the only former player that is on bad terms with Carr and the university.
College Basketball.
Most Overrated and Overhyped Sport in America.
End.
I heard both Tressel and Asshole. Mostly Asshole before the Crisler security came to tell them to shut up.
Amazingly poor taste to do that with RichRod's kids out there.
Little League World Series is more overrated. 12 year olds, dude. Who cares.
Didn't Toomer play all but his last season under Moeller?
Also , if Toomer does not keep in touch with his teammates either, but those teammates keep in touch with the program, maybe the problem isn't the coach or the program or the teammates but rather than man in the mirror.
I'd be a little dissapointed in the OSU fans if they didn't chant annoying things...just sayin.
I think they were chanting "bike" tressel.
i know alot of former players who think Carr is a huge asshole. who knows what happened.
At the end of the last thread, some of us talked about the Toomer article. Read up, it's not a long discussion.
I wuz thur. I screamed capricorn donkeypunch, cuz thats wut i wanna do to DickScCUM
!!!!!!!!!!1oneSUX0rS!!!!!!2!!
wow yeah i'd much rather talk about arcane corners of the ncaa rulebook as they relate to alabama and the issue of oversigning, along with character debates about former players and their relationship to our former head coach than a team that is currently playing a sport in season and their actual contests.
So hockey next or recruiting. Yea, basketball isn't high on the radar. Congrats and all, but honestly I follow the softball team (who beat penn state, #17 Cal fullerton, and #24 Texas this weekend in Austin) and the baseball team more closely.
Anthony Wright deciding to channel the spirit of Vinnie Johnson over this three game streak has certainly helped turn things around.
@formerlyananymous
Totally disagree. LLWS is truly what sport is all about. As the coach of a 11/12 year old team down here in Georgia (season started 3 weeks ago - how's the snow up there?), I've got to say that getting these boys to play at that level is a thing of beauty. My only arguement is that at age 12, the field is too small.
Down here we don't play much Little League - mostly Dizzy Dean league - and these boys can play! Base paths are 70', not 60'. Outfield is 250, not 200, and the pitcher's another 5' back. Makes for a better - and safer game.
I've always thought the Little League field is too small also. It seems like there are way too many kids getting base hits off of what should be routine ground outs.
I'm in southern california right now, so as for the snow, no clue. I've gone through the whole process fairly recently, playing 11 years ago and coaching last year. I agree about the dizzy dean, babe ruth, mickey mantle, connie mack leagues though. I just think the hype of the Little League World Series is over the top. I mean how much press did Danny Almonte receive for playing illegally, then all the press afterwards. For being just a 12 year old tournament, it was ridiculously overblown.
Color me unimpressed with Beilien. Michigan doesn't play defense, and if you can't recruit and can't get your team to play defense, you aren't going to win many games. I would imagine he will get his team to play some defense (given past record and all), but geez, if OSU had any sort of threat from the perimeter, they would have scored 90. I guess as an OSU fan watching that game, you could see why Michigan sucks, yet puzzled at why they didn't win more games this year.
Also, the Dispatch reported it was Tressel. But I wasn't there so I don't know.
Interesting comments by poster GeeMoney on this thread on Mlive story re RR interview.
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/
...ebruary_15.html
Don't know if he is what he claims to be (assisting as an M scout/recruiter in FL), but his statements appear consistent with what we know and what we see. Worth a few minutes to read his comments, especially his opinion about M's history of recruiting through camp (call's it lazy recruiting).
At any rate, he call out "4-5" coaches who could not recruit and thinks that RR's staff are all great recruiters from what he has seen.
Don't know if the guy is legit, but interesting observations.
i recall the jump from LL to babe ruth was brutal... huge field diff and the baserunning rules are way different.
never heard of the DD league.... can they lead off? or is it softball rules on the basepaths like LL?
Second case in point, I saw the 14 year old world championship on Fox Sports like 2 years ago. There were a whole 60 people in the stands. Where's the hype then?
Yelling "Tressel" and "Asshole" is the same thing. Synonyms, people, synonyms.
For what it's worth, the Daily says they were chanting asshole
Which probably means they were saying Tressel.
I was there, and I couldn't tell what it was.
LLWS is truly what sport is all about.
Sport is all about sixteen year olds from the third world sporting wispy mustaches and pretending to be twelve?
I have been misinformed.
Speaking of baseball, guess who kicks off their season with 3 against Villanova on Friday. That's right, Michigan.
Interesting follow up with the Mets again this year. Hopefully they land Santana his first loss of the year.
i recall the jump from LL to babe ruth was brutal... huge field diff and the baserunning rules are way different.
Yeah that throw accross the infield moved me permanently from short to 2b.
@ J. Lichty
Don't forget the 6'8" Saudi Arabian kid from a few years ago.
Dude that kid was a beast (but an American on a Saudi military base).
Weren't all the kids on Saudi Arabia's team the children of American parents?
Isn't the saudi team most American kids that happen to be stuck in the apartheid kingdom on a military base or oil junket?
There are three certainties in life: death, taxes, and OSU fans acting like morons wherever they are.
Trying to stay on topic. Merritt injured his left ankle during the game. Any word on his condition?
Yeah, same Saudi Base makes it in every year. All American kids. American kicks ass.
Alright, I'm heading to Berkeley. Got my hippie pepper spray loaded up. I think I'm going to pose as a USMC recruiter while on campus. See how that goes.
later all.
I didn't even know he got hurt. I still can't believe he made those back to back driving layups immediately after missing on the wide open back door cut.
I see how it is, we can talk about 12 years olds playing baseball but as soon as I bring up Hannah Montana I get called a pedo.
I endorse that pedophilia.
Where did my damn cab go?
Merritt was hurt in the second half. The trainer spent alot of time working on him on the bench, then he was assisted off the court before the game was over.
Toomer: "There was a really political situation when I was there; there's a Michigan way or the highway, and I think that our best guys have to be out there."
Kind of says it all, doesn't it?
Also, his jealousy of Plaxico is understandable, but consider this - Burress is the 2nd best receiver (Charles Rogers) that MSU has had in my lifetime. Toomer was good here, but he's no Braylon. Not saying we shouldn't welcome him back; we absolutely should. Just saying it's not surprising if he doesn't get quite the same kind of hero worship here.
I know this is way off base but I would like to make a basketball comment.
Three conference wins in a row is huge for this team. Look at all of the walk ons who have had to fill up the roster. Amaker left the cupboard beyond bare. Give the freshmen and sophomores a chance. Ron Coleman may be a stand up guy but he is our only senior. Ugh. Hopefully these are the building block games.
Agreed 100% WolverBean.
Edwards, Avant, Woodson, Carter, even Manningham? He can't expect to get the red carpet rolled out whenever he's within a few miles of campus.
I dont think Toomer is holding a grudge or angry about his time at Michigan. It seemed like he just wasn't all that close with many people there. It's bound to happen in the hundreds of players that go through the program over the years.
I think Ty Law is the only other disgruntled former player that has really gone public to my knowledge.'
Don't know the details, so it is hard to judge, but the fact that he does not speak to former teammates either may not be the indictment on the program, and rather may rest with the man feeling unwelcome.
Just don't understand why a guy who had a great college and NFL career would not be welcomed. Just doesn't sound consistent with Lloyd's love of tradition, Bo and the program. I know that Moeller was pretty well disliked by the players, but had not heard that about LLoyd.
Nice fact-checking on that Buckeye chant, Brian.
*snicker*
Good win boys, but just for clarification, the OSU fans were chanting "Tressel", which my sound a lot like "asshole" to you guys.
Still cavemen, but growing more polite with each passing week.
You know who else would spend the day after a big win against a rival dissecting what the fans were chanting about their coach and arguing about class and respect?
spartans
Think you're being a bit hard on Gibson Brian; while he's no Udoh defensively either with his footwork or anticipation, he plays good position defense. Biggest thing is he needs to get stronger. I think he will continue to be a solid role player.
This might sound whiny, but rushing the court? Are you fucking kidding me? Do we consider ourselves that shitty of a program that we rush the court beating an UNRANKED team at HOME worth rushing the court. OSU or not, how fucking embarrassing.
LMaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Ed Martin would be proud....
You accomplished something that not even Iowa could do.....wait a minute.
re: rushing the court - again, it was like 10 kids and a bunch followed afterwards, and it was late, not right after the game ended. relax.
so we're out of the Pryor sweepstakes now right?
so i guess its "uncool" to rush the court? has to be for a national championship, otherwise fans shouldnt get too excited....
how much different is that attitude from the blue hairs, not wanting to get excited at the big house...
why not get excited.....i think its pretty cool, but i guess im kinda uncool, so whatever....
Good ol SoJ, back to Laugh His ass off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off. He sure finds this blog funny!!
I also don't think Toomer is holding a grudge, per say. The reporter asked him ?s and he responded honestly. However, when he said he was a little jealous of Burress, I think that was a little strange for a guy who doesn't talk to anyone from the program anymore. All you gotta do is call once, and I'm SURE the people involved in our program would open their arms out wide to anybody who wanted to come back and visit/be a part of the program. When Plax comes into town, I'm sure he calls ahead of time and gets a field pass and spends the weekend in E.L. That's all it'd take for Toomer if he wanted, so I'm confused about that.
@DanK,
Yep, they start leading off at age 11. In DD, the field is the same size as LL at ages 9 and 10 (60' base paths, 46' to the mound) but jumps to 70' for 11 and 12. Dizzy Dean is the big southeastern league. Most teams in GA are not LL and I suspect that the last 2 teams that won the LLWS would not have made it out of the DD state tourney.
Just as much politics in DD as LL though. Lots of crazy good ole boys out of small town GA/AL, etc. Still, nothing better than kids baseball. Both my boys play, and as a 30 year M season ticket holder, I've got to say nothing beats watching or coaching those games.
I coach 2 teams in the spring, then get to drive all over the southeast on the weekends in the summer to watch one of my boys play travel ball, which ends in late July. But good news! Fall ball starts in September!
Every single idiot student who rushed the floor should be pistol-whippped. We're fucking 8-17, you retards! Congratulate yourselves, we're now a mid major when it comes to basketball.
This might sound whiny, but rushing the court? Are you fucking kidding me? Do we consider ourselves that shitty of a program that we rush the court beating an UNRANKED team at HOME worth rushing the court. OSU or not, how fucking embarrassing.
Steve | Homepage | 02.18.08 - 2:21 pm | #
If you read this with Joe Buck's trademark "outrage" voice, it makes so much more sense.
gsims - agreed to a point. We have won a total of 8 games this season, one of those was against a rival we haven't beaten in 7 tries. IOnly five of our wins were actually at home. I'd say rushing the court isn't completely silly.
People who are arguing about what was chanted or whether or not our students should've rushed the court are missing the point.
That point is that for the first time in years there are real, tangible signs of progress within the basketball program. I can't remember the last time I watched a game and agreed with about 80% of the shots we took. Most of the 3s we shot were good 3s within the flow of the offense. I think that was a major factor towards shooting a higher percentage than we've seen so far this year.
We worked the ball inside out. We were slashing, we got dribble penetration. I thought we played tough D. We didn't necessarily play good D, but we were working hard through screens, we switched and got good rotations and recoveries off our switches. The team D will come, but there are some real serious signs of progress everywhere. I don't really think it's out of line that people think we might make the tournament next year. I personally think we're a bubble team next season, but we do have a solid talent base (Harris, Grady, Sims, Udoh) to start building from.
I 100% agree with gsimmons (!).
"Tressel" and "Asshole" are NOT the same thing.
"Tressel" and "cheating bastard" - now, they are the same thing.
For the first time in like 7 years, I see basketball players who are actually improving - they're better now then they were their first game with the team. That's exciting. So we storm the floor - are we going to win fewer games because of it? No? So who cares?
chitown...
what? no way? maybe there is hope in the middle east after all!
haloscan!
Mass hysteria, cats and dogs...living together...
I just want to know if the Suckeye fans were man enough to stay until after the game ended. They probably couldn't hop into their tractors fast enough.
I also think that rushing the floor, and the general student section excitement, is really important for the team. I don't care what anyone says about not feeling sorry for college athletes; they are 18 years old and losing and having no one care about your team sucks. It is really nice for the team to see the students and the university be excited about their success, however incremental that success might be.
Every single idiot student who rushed the floor should be pistol-whippped. We're fucking 8-17, you retards! Congratulate yourselves, we're now a mid major when it comes to basketball.
Jay | 02.18.08 - 2:38 pm | #
For a guy who doesn't like college basketball, you sure care a lot about what college basketball fans do.
It couldn't be that what you meant to say was "I only like college basketball when Michigan is teh awesomee! and since they are not I am clearly above it!"?
I've seen it referenced as a "Tressel, Tressel" chant everywhere else, and since that would seem to make a hell of a lot more sense, I'm assuming that's what it was.
As for storming the floor, you just avoided having your basketball seniors join the football seniors in graduating without beating OSU. You're allowed to be happy. I'm pretty sure your women's basketball team is still on track, though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Brb1sziTFDU russell crowe on leno talking about his rugby team/michigan fball.
FWIW, when I heard it on TV, I heard "Tressell".
Pryor said he was all set to go to OSU on Feb. 5th then his dad made it sound like he wanted him to look harder at PSU. Dammit we aren't even in second place???
Although I still have four teams (any of them can win) was also in the
article.
THough it doesn't sound good. Shit
Check this out:
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/
in...ntonio_and.html
There's reaching to make a point, then there's this guy.
Anyone ever hear of what happened to the "Martell Webb to join the BBall team" rumor from a while back? Just curious.
GO BLUE!
hahahaha @ that article Aaron G. WTF?
I want recruiting profiles. Now.
SO I have been wondering about Pryor since he has been awfully quite lately... In this process I found this and umm... WOW!
"Pryor, who is also a five-star basketball player, led his team to victory with 24 points, 24 rebounds, 10 blocks and seven assists."
Damn near a quadruple double!
http://michigan.rivals.com/conte....asp?
CID=775796
Re: the article Aaron G. posted
That article was completely devoid of anything meaningful at all. Hai guise, I am MSM newspaper writer and didja know that college football has these nifty things called rivalries! And Michigan don't like those Ohio Staters, no sir!
Jesus, someone was working on a tight deadline today.
And I immediately question the football credibility of any reporter, who watches football for a living and is paid to write about it presumably, that cannot spell Belichick. Actually, it doesn't matter if he never ever covers football except for today. It takes literally three seconds to google him and figure out the correct spelling.
Henne's gonna be at Briarwood on Monday from 7-8:30pm signing autographs. http://www.mden.com/index.cfm?
OSU fan here... this inspires much gnashing of teeth, I'm sure.
I think they abandoned the "Best Fans in the Land" hoopla after last year's Michigan game. They must have seen it was hopeless. I could tell through scarlet-tinted glasses, myself.
Steve Grinczel needs to be cocksmacked for writing such filth.
Steve Grinczel needs to be cocksmacked for writing such filth.
GoBlue8306 | 02.18.08 - 3:17 pm | #
Or turkey-slapped.
let's not forget hensmacked, which is also a viable option.
For those curious if give you the definition of "turkey-slapped"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
d...=turkey+slapped
"I give you"
damn
So, weren't we talking about Recruiting 2008?
RE: the 2-2-1
OSU's been doing it pretty much all year, but yeah, we never seem to trap out of it, and the way I learned it, the 3/4-court 2-2-1 was a prime trapping defense. Speaking of...
RE: Matta
I've had inklings that Matta's not much in the way of an X's and O's coach myself, even going back to last year's Final Four team. But every time I think that, I remember that he had a lot of success at Butler and Xavier too, and I sure don't think he was getting by with superb talent in those places. He rode someone named Romaine Sato to the Elite Eight in 2004, fer Chrissakes.
Congratulations on the win.
Jack - you mean he rode David West to the elite 8. West is like an 18/10 in the NBA.
The Michigan Daily agrees the Buckeye vermin were chanting "asshole:"
"As Rodriguez began to address the crowd at halftime of yesterday's basketball game against Ohio State, an "asshole" chant came down from the top rows behind the north basket at Crisler Arena, where about 50 Buckeye fans were sitting."
http://media.www.michigandaily.c...h-
3216246.shtml
Don't be ahtin' on Grady, he has much more than a dribble in his game. He can shoot, he plays at least decent defense and he make some nice passes for a freshman. Look for him, Sims and Harris to lead Michigan back into the tourney as soon as next year.
Finally a Michigan fans calls out the court rushing. Good work.
I'm just happy Brian remember that there's a basketball team in AA.
When they win, he mentions them. When they lose, he's bored.
As one of the students who rushed the court, I think that at least I support my team! Regardless of the sport, a hard-fought exciting win against Ohio State is always a good time, regardless of the sport. Are all of the haters implying that students are not allowed to express their excitement that was unless were at the national championship?
the problem w/ rushing the court is that it assigns meaning to a game that, in the long run, had very little meaning. this osu team is essentially last years M team. we are essentially PSU/NW this year. how many NW/PSU/Iowa students rushed the court last year when they beat M?
Ryan Perriloux suspended at LSU
@ chitownblue 00:
Xavier went to the Elite Eight in the '03-'04 season. David West was already gone, that being his rookie season with the Hornets.
Sure that game (record-wise) might be insignificant, but with a team that's been struggling all season, winning three straight is a glimmer of hope, and no better to get it than vs ohio state...it was an intense, exciting game
basketball is not a sport, its 10 tall guys touching each other's arses
I sat in the lower part of the maize seats, but right in front of the Bucknut fans and had to listen to them the entire game. They were, in fact, very clearly chanting "Tressel." With the less-than-stellar sound system at Crisler, they drowned out the beginning of Rod's speech for everyone surrounding them. Then everyone began shouting at them to STFU. The worst thing was that the 200+ football lettermen were in the house, and it was terribly disrespectful. I will say, though, that there were other obvious groups of red-garbed fans, all of whom behaved entirely appropriately.
I do wish they'd learn to spell something other than the name of their state.
And although I thought the court rushing was over the top, it was nice finally to beat OSU at something besides hockey.
“Buckeye fans will never change.” Seems to me that about 5% of fans create 95% of the problems – this has always been the case - but I would expect you to paint us all with the same tainted brush. It’s unfortunate that these people exist, but the vast majority of Buckeyes try very hard to make opposing team’s fans feel welcome, and yes, that includes Michigan fans. U of M may be a fancy university, but the state of Michigan is not, and while most Michigan fans were very welcoming when my friends and I was in Ann Arbor last November, I witnessed egregious fan behavior, townies and rednecks in equal numbers to what you’ll find in Columbus. You need to move out of your glass house, Brian.
And before you get excited about the grammatical mistake of an another (assumed) less intelligent Buckeye, that was meant to say, “my friends and I were.”
You wrote an article on our basketball team which included the word ENTROPY.
Bad form Jack.....er, Brian.
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