First? sorry I had to
I was hoping to come back from lunch and find this whole little mess cleared up
Scotch and lots of it. Stat.
This is sad...Michigan is now Nebraska.
Wrong Nebraska has a coach.
nebraska from 4 years ago smart guy...look what that got them. similar search...were nebrska attitude
I'll take a few Bud Selects if we are drinkin
I'm going to pile on some more:
Of the 15 other programs looking for coaches, only four are still looking: SMU, Northern Illinois, Duke, and Colorado State. UCLA has named an interim coach, but I think they're still looking, so make it a clean five.
2/3 of the field have finished ahead of Michigan's in the coaching search. Leaders and Best, indeed.
A little testy this afternoon. Just making the point that an awful program right now can get the coach they want and I'm not sure if we have even talked to anybody yet.
Why dismiss English so readily? Read Varsity Blue for the pathos and understand how he'd recruit and motivate. And fire DeBord.
ad, I hope you catch on fire. Goddammit.
What's Brian got against Grobe?? He is universally repspected for his x and o proficiency and he has built freakin Wake Forest from zilch to the Orange Bowl with a bunch of nerds. I know he's not Miles, but you could do much much worse.
this is how proud programs go down. next thing you know we will be looking for another coach after going 5-7
(That's "ad" the self-proclaimed first poster, not the advertisement mentioning minimally invasive open back surgery. I'm all for correcting spinal disorders!)
"Isn't this a place that should be good enough that other job offers don't matter?"
I'm with you on every thing in the post--except this.
Yes: We should be out there interviewing the best coaches. That does not mean, however, that we should do so at the expense of everything else--program continuity, not least of all. Petrino has established himself as a malcontent--a mercenary who will bolt without warning and without thought of the consequences. He left a mess at Louisville and in Atlanta, and would not think twice about doing the same to us. Trust that the coach won't torpedo a team is a valuable commodity. Petrino can't offer it.
Now, that doesn't excuse for one second the unmitigated disaster that this search has become. Nor does it excuse the inexplicable desire by the establishment to disqualify otherwise exceedingly qualified candidates from consideration.
Petrino, however, was rightfully qualified.
petrino wasnt welcome because he's a slimeball. likely the same with kelly
as fucked as this search is, there is nothing wrong with eliminating candidates for lack of character
this is an odd post
Yesterday I hit Publix after work (grocery store) and the little retarded kid bagging my groceries made fun of my " M " visor... Giving me hell about our situation.. I didn't even know how to respond to him.. ha it was bad
and no the M visor isn't white...
//wrists, //jugular
I'm not a Michigan fan, actually a UConn fan fascinated by this search. Is there an actual reason why Michigan isn't looking at Kelly? He's a kick-ass coach who got Cincy playing some killer ball and got people there to actually show up for games. And he did it darn quick...they were crushing Oregon State by week two. No excuse to not go after him, considering he's begging for it.
Sky falling. Details at 6.
Petrino did not deserve a look
Grobe, I could live with. Would rather say fuckitall and have English for 2008, then try again.
God, I would have taken Petrino in a hot minute.
"No record of how well he recruits. Runs a crazy offensive system that may or may not translate to higher levels with (possibly) better talent. A huge, huge risk to anyone who has performance foremost on their mind. Obviously, this is not the case here."
Didn't they say basically this about Meyer? The only difference is age imo. Besides, I refuse to believe that Grobe can't recruit if Lloyd freaking Carr could recruit when prospects HAD to know about our S&C program.
Ask a Nebraska fan what they thought 4 years ago...This is Nebraska all other jobs dont matter.
@Mike
I don't think Brian is extremely opposed to Grobe, especially not now. I think he's trying to say that Grobe represents the best possible outcome of the coaching search, which is still highly unlikely. Praying for the Wake freakin' Forest coach is, on some level, pretty pathetic.
I don't agree with Brian, but I think that's his point.
I view the fact that Petrino couldn't get a sniff as a positive. Petrino? No. No. No. Hell no. F@#k no. He is a lying, non-trustworthy back-stabber of the highest order.
Don't be so sure Grobe isn't a viable option. Dude won the ACC title at a school with like fewer students than AA Pioneer. That should count for something.
Also, don't automatically assume something's broken at UM just because Schiano said no. He's from New Jersey. They have bent over backward to accommodate him. Rutgers is just putting the finishing touches on a house they've built him on prime real estate right near campus. And when financing for a stadium upgrade fell through, the bazillionaire governor basically told him "I got this."
Sure, Schiano saying no is a bit of a head-scratcher. But it's not as irrational as some may think when all the factors are considered.
The thing I don't get with the Miles obsession is if there are significant elements within the athletic department that oppose his candidacy, don't people wonder if maybe, jut maybe, they have a reason for doing so?
"Haircut and jowls of the kind of guy you just feel comfortable"
Jowls make me uncomfortable, lets just get that out there right now.
The Chimp is slowly gaining on the outside.
Chimp Mafiaoso Godfather.
Every college football analyst is shaking their head wondering why Michigan wont give Brian Kelly a look. Someone needs to medicate these bi-polar elitist asses, and take over. Its football people, football. Michigan needs 3 things: Good Head Coach, Good Defensive Coordinator, Good Strength and Conditioning Coach. Everything else will take care of itself.
I'm not down with English because I don't trust that he'll have full authority. If he was able to make unilateral decisions regarding staff and style of play I would be comfortable. I just don't think that would happen.
I think the only way Michigan gets a good outcome out of this is to guarantee whoever takes the job that there will be no influence from Lloyd or Martin. I actually think they still could get Miles if Lloyd left.
What a shame. We've actually run out of coaches that would be both plausible hires and better than Lloyd. Pathetic.
Uh, isn't Grobe one year older than Miles? Brian, this search is melting your brain
@cfaller96
wrong on colorado state:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3151605
@cfaller
2/3 of the field have finished ahead of Michigan's in the coaching search. Leaders and Best, indeed.
Agreed. I am trying to hold Michigan up on some pedestal and say that people should come lining up to take the job, but I NEVER imagined that we would be one of the last to fill the spots. I didn't think that it was going to come down to an in house hire, I didn't think that we were going to stay mid 90's and make low ball offers.
I guess this is what I get for being optimistic for once.
Back to expecting the worse so if for some reason a miracle happens, I will be pleasantly surprised.
If there is one jaw-dropping piece of hyprocrisy in this post, it is that the blogger who has posted 9 million posts to the glory of Miles holds Jim Grobe's age against him. When he is 6 months older than Les Miles.
i hear a loud laugh coming from the south...wait that is just columbus...osu fans playing for a 3rd nc since 2002
Jesus
Correction: I am NOT trying to hold Michigan up on some pedestal and say that people should come lining up to take the job,
"2/3 of the field have finished ahead of Michigan's in the coaching search. Leaders and Best, indeed."
And what trophy do they get for that? Um...none, because it doesn't matter.
So this is a race? And we haven't rushed to hire an anybody-that'll-take-the-job coach so we're "losing?" Sorry, don't buy it. I don't mind a deliberate search...
I don't agree with a lot of this post. But I get where Brian is coming from.
He's frustrated that Michigan is only looking at candidates that will fit into "Box A." The fact that Grobe is a good coach (imo) doesn't undo the frustration he feels with the fact that Grobe is only being considered because he fits inside "Box A."
But I do think, in some ways, Brian is missing the forest for the trees.
Petrino would be a dreadful hire, imo. Sure, you can claim "Isn't Michigan supposed to want a guy to get job offers, and shouldn't they feel secure that Michigan is the best job?"... but the reality is Petrino would jump from Michigan to Ohio University if they offered more money.
i hear a loud laugh coming from the south...wait that is just columbus...osu playing for a 3rd nc since 2002
Jesus
Petrino is a job-hopper who left behind something of a disaster, by all accounts, in Louisville. Brilliant coach, giant asshole, and not trustworthy. We're better off without him.
And chicagoblue00 is right.
I hate, HATE calling Brian out. He does a damn fine job. But "old" is a lazy criticism if you were on the Miles bandwagon.
And coaching at Wake Forest does leave a recruiting trail to analyze. I hope he does so.
If he does, he'll find a slight up-tick, and current committments and players that held offers from Alabama, Louisville, Wisconsin, Ole Miss, Rutgers, West Virginia, Virginia, etc., etc.
No. Nobody with an offer to Florida or USC goes to Wake Forest. Neither do they go to Cincinnati or Boise State.
Grobe is not the candidate the fanbase at large wants. The fact that several people on a blog want him makes you surprised that nobody else wants to hire the least sexy option after [kitten killer] and Hoke?
Actually, they're playing for their FIRST NC since [the] 2002 [NC]. Not third. First.
Brian, you're approaching a conspiracy theorist at this point.
Man, I swore I wouldn't look at comments here today. I'm weak.
I agree there is no problem with a deliberate search. I'd have no problem with hearing absolutely nothing at all and then being presented with a fait accompli. The current state of leaks, though, is just totally wrong. Either black box or total transparency, and the latter just ain't gonna happen.
brian, and other Grobe haters
i am a little pissed off
im pretty sure i know more about the GAME of football than most of you...
and if you think grob eis a risk you are crazy and not only know nothing about coaching football, but no nothing about what was wrong with michigan last year... i would not be such a grobe fan if i diditn think he would be great for michigan. you dont see me gettign in the ring for butch davis or amato, or any other countless numbers of caoches that i have had conact with. Grobe would excell at michigan.... im not saying this for any other reason than to just counter all the doom and gloom that is on this board....
JeremyB-
Did you miss the game where Florida smoked them?
Grobe's a great coach, and WAY better than Les Miles. Do we know that Bill Martin isn't talking to Brian Kelly?
2002 beat Miami
2006 smoked by Florida
2008...pray to God smoked by lsu
A little more in depth explanation would be useful for the guys being dismissed. Some of us don't know enough about Grobe and English for example to see why they should instantly be dismissed.
"Grobe is not the candidate the fanbase at large wants. The fact that several people on a blog want him makes you surprised that nobody else wants to hire the least sexy option after [kitten killer] and Hoke?"
I don't give shit who wants him. I do. I'm criticizing Brian for bitching about Grobe's age when he's 6 months older than the man Brian has all but anointed as the Messiah of Michigan Football.
Further, Brian claiming that we are going after Grobe because he "fits a stereotype" is even lazier WHEN THE PRIAMRY REASON WHY LES MILES IS A CANDIDATE IS BECAUSE HE IS A BO SCHEMBECHLER PROTOGE.
Ron English is also much better than Brady Joke. Brady Joke would be suicide, and everyone in A2 would have to get rid of their "At least our Brady doesn't suck" shirts.
English could be the most viable option. Granted Barry Alvarez did it with a little more class and thought, but he put a young and fresh coordinator in charge and let him do what he wanted with the rest of the staff. Bielema went and cleaned house and hired his own people. Needless to say, if English had his first two years similar to what Bielema has had, I think everyone would be quite happy.
The unfortunate thing is by doing the same thing Wisconsin did, but doing it subsequent to having a bunch of other guys turn us down (I am still under the impression we have not given an actual offer to anyone), we look like we are just settling for what we have.
@Mat
Because they're not Les Miles, and because Bill Martin, who is the most incompetent, insane, jackass-y man in the history of incompetent, insane, jackass-y men (despite the fact that every piece of "information" that has been a basis for his incompetence comes either from a false rumor or Martin having the good sense to realize Miles is a shitty coach) seems to maybe, sorta like them.
im pretty sure that over the past couple of weeks, i have explained what Jim Grobe, the coach is like....
if you know him, play for him, or coached with him, he is impressive..
check out wake forest message boards and see how scared they are of lossing him.
If I remember correctly, didn't Alabama court Jim Grobe last year. If he's good enough for the crazies in the SEC, why not Michigan?
As for the age, he's 55. Les Miles - the "savior" is 52. Is that 3 years really that big of a difference? Besides, what disasters has Les Miles walked into and miraculously fixed. Grobe has won with nobodies that no one wanted. If you can coach overmatched teams to victory, you can sure handle talented athletes. Besides, Tressel's recruiting classes aren't the highest ranked, and look where Ohio State is. Or, look at Mack Brown who has consistently some of top recruiting classes, and yet has one Big 12 title and one national championship in nearly a decade at Texas.
The real question is, why not Gary Pinkel?
I think that Brian and I are on the same plane when it comes to Petrino, albeit at different wavelengths.
It's not that I wanted Petrino- I didn't, and every post-announcement tidbit makes me glad we don't have him. What troubles me about the Petrino hire is that another college program was able to snag an NFL head coach (with a successful college resume) without anyone knowing anything about it until it was all over...and they snagged him with a pay cut!
Time is going by, and Michigan isn't making progress. And now we have people purportedly connected to the athletic department explaining that the "political pressure" and "competing factions" inside the AD are causing some problems, and we should just be patient. As if "politics" should make us feel confident about the AD heading into its fourth week of the coaching search.
Something is rotten in Schembechler Hall, and it's the people. The Michigan Athletic Department and the people that run it are failing at its first national coaching search in 40 years. Obviously given their inability to land a coach (from Rutgers, for example), these people were not very capable to begin with, and we are left to conclude that they simply have been riding on the success of Bo for far too many years.
BTW, everyone should remember that 6 months ago Brian hated Les Miles.
I love that this committee and Bill Martin have this view that they can do it all. Where as Nebraska hires Tom Osborne, then he hires a search firm. BAM nails it down and hires their man in 3weeks.
As much as I would like this coaching fiasco to end today, IMO it might be better to wait this out until January.
The only coaches, as far as we know, that we could hire anytime soon would be Hoke and English. These are not coaches coveted by anyone else, they will be there if every other option falls through. That is if there are any other options.
Approaching any coach of value 2-3 weeks before his teams bowl game will cause :
1. Unwanted distractions to bowl preparations = pissed off HC
2, Internal pressure to pledge allegiance
3. More rejections for UM
We've already seen that for some reason this search cannot be handled in secrecy which is exactly what is required right now.
I'm all for waiting and seeing what happens. Hiring anyone right now would be settling, we can still settle in January if need be.
Sebcoe - Les Miles is 54. 6 months younger than Jim Grobe.
This is getting flat out ridiculous. I hope Grobe turns us down in a matter of hours so the bitching from his mafia can end.
There was a recent political study that looked at the effects of false negative information on voters. If you spread a bad rumor, people have a lower opinion of that candidate. If people later find out that rumor is false, their opinion of the candidate rises, but not nearly to the level it was at before they heard the rumor. Essentially, false, negative information is a good way to trash someone's rep.
Which is a long way of saying; people hate Bill Martin because a bunch of false rumors sounded bad. And that's messed up.
@AAB-
I get that you don't like Miles and I respect that, but I am sorry. How can you say someone is a shitty coach when in 3 years he has won an SEC Championship, is playing for the NC and has a 33-6 record. Thats not shitty by any means. Yeah he makes some idiotic calls and may not be exactly the best public speaker, but his record speaks for itself.
And you can add to your comment that people don't want Grobe because it's not Miles or Kelly. There are just as many people on here pulling for Kelly who realistically is probably not going to get a shot as there were Miles.
For the record, I have no problem with English getting the position. He has energy, passion, can recruit (let's hope he has the balls to get good coordinators), and gets the most out of his players. I like your work Brian, but I think you're getting a little too worked up. We're not entitled to a sure thing just because we're Michigan, but we just may get the perfect fit from a lesser known commodity. I know it's hard to be patient, but we won't know if we have Carrol (sp?) or Weis for at least a year no matter who we hire.
I would be shocked if we hired Grobe.I dont know a single person in the AD that thinks Ron English isnt atleast a few times better than him.
@00goblue00-This year, Les Miles has the most talented, experienced team that he will ever have in his entire career. This is the high point of talent for him.
And he lost 2 games, didn't blow anyone out in 2 months, and had to sneak into the NC game.
And he calls time outs after interceptions.
That's why he's a shitty coach.
xyz..... just wow.... grobe is in everyones top ten best coaches in america list....
I am 100% on board with what AAB is cooking, with the exception of his opinion of Miles (I don't think he sucks, though I don't think he amazing). The vast majority of Martin bashing is based on speculation.
Russell -
"...if there are significant elements within the athletic department that oppose his candidacy, don't people wonder if maybe, jut maybe, they have a reason for doing so?"
I don't wonder because I know the rumors that were out there have been confirmed by the circus this has become with Miles right in the middle. As usual he tries to take the high road and too few people say, damnit, you are the one who has steered us here.
what is this crazy offense?
i dont watch much wake forest
@rainking (and chitownblue)
So this is a race? And we haven't rushed to hire an anybody-that'll-take-the-job coach so we're "losing?" Sorry, don't buy it. I don't mind a deliberate search...
Umm, it is a race, to a certain extent. There are only so many coaches that are "available" to be hired, and they may take that job at UCLA, for example, if they're quicker/more eager than a "deliberate" Michigan. The implication that the really good coaches will turn down other offers simply because Michigan might is absurd and arrogant. I hope that's not what you meant.
Those that don't think there is a "race" aspect to this are bound to be bitterly disappointed come January, when we still don't have a coach and all the good ones are "taken."
For the record, the pro-English JeremyB was not me, but uh, I totally agree with it... so... carry on. Did someone forget to change his sig from impersonating me?
Yes I remember the 2006 game. I was arguing semantics. They are playing for the NC for the third time in six years. They are not playing for their third NC in six years.
@AAB-
He coaches in the SEC which by comparison to the Big 10 is much harder. You are bound to lose games there, every game is going to be a toss up no one knows from week to week who is going to win the game, each time has a decent shot.
There is no point in arguing because you are not going to change your mind, just like I'm not going to change mine.
But again, people on here don't want Grobe not just because he's not Miles, but because he's not Kelly as well. We didn't get Miles, we won't get Kelly, and we most likely won't get Grobe.
Is anyone else willing to download the OSU game and do the UFR for brian? I just dont have space on my computer.
@bsb
Crazy offense = not running on 1st down
Just because Grobe is one of the best in America doesn't mean he's the right fit. Let's go hire Bill Parcells, everyone thinks he's great!
"I know it's hard to be patient, but we won't know if we have Carrol (sp?) or Weis for at least a year no matter who we hire."
Yes, JeremyB. But you know that 2/3 of this board will get their pitchforks the second non-Les Miles gets hired. Because all of us, in having watched maybe 4 or 5 games that Miles has coached in his career (less, probably for the other candidates) know who should and should not be hired as our coach.
The Chimp is gaining traction...
The Chimp Mafioso
@ Mallett Fumbles,
Bud Select isn't the drink. Perhaps if it was called Bud Nonselect, I would say go nuts.
"im pretty sure i know more about the GAME of football than most of you..."
@gsimmons85:
I'm sure you've probably gone over this before, but I clearly missed it: are you a coach or a player or something? I ask based on the assertion that YOU know more about the game of football that "most of [us]." I'm not saying you are wrong, but some elucidation would be appreciated. Thanks.
as for the crazy offensive system he runs.... lol
crazy only if you dont follow college football.... no crazier then spread, or option....
in fact he lined up in i formation more then michigan did this year i believe....
i was calling for an orbit motion system off of our zone plays all year....
The Schiano "rejection" is entirely understandable. SI did a full feature on him last year. He lives within something like 20 minutes of his entire family, with whom he is very close. The estate, er, house that Rutgers is building for him is a walk to work. If Schiano accepted, it was bc of the position. Michigan. If he changed his mind, it was bc of his family.
"im pretty sure i know more about the GAME of football than most of you..."
@gsimmons85:
I'm sure you've probably gone over this before, but I clearly missed it: are you a coach or a player or something? I ask based on the assertion that YOU know more about the game of football that "most of [us]." I'm not saying you are wrong, but some elucidation would be appreciated. Thanks..
@00goblue00
Is the SEC really that much tougher than the Big 10? Or have people just said it so many times that everyone accepts it as gospel. Or, to put it another way; if App State played Louisiana Monroe, who do you think would win?
cfaller - I don't buy that their are only SOME coaches who are available. This isn't like baseball where our search has to coincide with someone's free agency. We can contact ANY coach in the country - even if they just signed a new contract with their school! - for this job. Practically, some coaches ARE out (Stoops, Meyer, Tressell would never leave for Michigan). But literally, everyone is a candidate.
ryan, once again....
if you cant keep up, many in the football community have talked about what a great fit grobe would be at michigan... but i guess since you dont think he would.....
gsimmons is, I believe, a high school coach.
@AAB-
I have watched enough games and when I say enough that means basically every game you can watch on a saturday (home or away) over the past 5 years to see that the SEC is tougher than the Big 10. A lot of the teams in the SEC are competitive with the Big 10 you have about 3-4 every year. That opinion is formulated by myself from watching, not listening to people on here say it and then believing it.
how come no one is mentioning Wally Buono of the British Columbia Lions? He's been one of the best coaches in the history of the Canadian Football League and has won the Grey Cup four times! That's very impressive.
"gsimmons is, I believe, a high school coach.
Chitownblue 00 | 12.12.07 - 2:33 pm | # "
@Gsimmons85:
Is this true? If so, what HS?
\Is it time to give this year a name yet?//
The Year of the Piss Frisbee.
Rumor and innuendo. No facts. Was Schiano made a specific offer. What was it. If we know all this other stuff why not anything specific? Who is on the list of 20? Why has no one seen it, yet everyone seems to "Know" who we are considering.
I "think" that Michigan feels no pressure because there is no one that was or is left in the field that will pay the way they will. So no "real" candidates are at risk - need the bums rush to hire.
Carr gets ~$1.5 million, his assistants get ~$1.3 million. It would be very easy for Martin to throw another $2.0 million at the HC position and another $1.0-1.5 million at the assistants. Heck the AD runs a $7.0 million surplus and we don't even have the new stadium improvements yet.
So if you are the biggest $$ player, then only loyalty can beat you.
That is why Miles agent was calling urgently, he thought he could get Mich into a bidding war for his client. We are the biggest $$ guys out there and the only one that could give LSU a run. In fact, he probably felt it was a given. But I think we have other, bigger plans in mind.
Anybody hear that Urban Meyer and the Florida AD do not get along? Watch for something big - something to sell those Luxury Boxes which have not all been sold.
you guys are all pathetic whiners. what makes kelly a great coach? his ability to win one season with dantonio's team? neither miles nor kelly have stayed at any place long enough to determine if they can truly build a program. just because "brian" doesn't know every event that is taking place behind the scenes, you're ready to jump off a cliff. did anyone know petrino was being considered for ar - kansas before his hiring was announced? apparently not. no one knew about beilein until he was signed. just chill out and . . . have a great day!
You people are fucking nuts. I would take Petrino in a heartbeat. Slimeball. What do you know? It's this assinine arrogance that has been at the core of the problem the whole search. Those three pieces of shit clinging to a phantom view of Michigan having some moral supremacy has us pathetic clowns in the eyes of all and without a coach. IT IS TIME THAT EVERYONE, INCLUDING THAT SACK OF SHIT CARR, THAT WORTHLESS PRESIDENT COLEMAN, AND THAT FREE ASSWIPE MARTIN, REALIZE WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FUCKING COACH, NOT A SUCCESSOR TO GHANDI.
Lord help me, this shit is giving me a coronary. To think, we could have had Miles or Petrino or Kelly AND MICHIGAN'S ARROGANCE STOPPED US makes me want to kill more than kittens.
chill,
sorry once again, i usually never bring it up, and i dont claim to be a genious or anything...
brian started asking me my opinions or certain thaings during the season, thats how most know me on this blog.
yes player... not the greatest.... and coach for going on 12 years in north carolina now.. defensive coordinator at a 4-a school...
Petrino may be a talented coach from an offensive perspective, but his case I think Martin is absolutely correct to bypass him.
I think the resistance to Kelly is based on the Debord/Deromedi connection. There's enough smoke out there that I think it's reasonable to assume Kelly is indeed someone who rubs people the wrong way. Whether that should keep us from at least interviewing him I don't agree with. The most pressing concern is whether he would eventually bolt to a team out east, since he's from thataway. Or to the NFL, for that matter.
I think that among the established, reasonably successful coaches at BCS schools, Grobe is probably the best fit for us. Whether he'd come I have no clue. I can understand why he turned down Ar-Kansas; they're a little bit looney down there. I'd be more enthusiastic about him if he were 10 years younger, but then he probably would have already been hired by someone quicker on the draw than Martin.
Definitely preferable to Hoke or MD or Hoke or Marvin Freaking Lewis.
"Yesterday I hit Publix after work (grocery store) and the little retarded kid bagging my groceries made fun of my " M " visor... Giving me hell about our situation.. I didn't even know how to respond to him.. ha it was bad"
hey that waz mee and if you com back ill kick yer ass. you dont even have know coche you stupid ass.
Love your work, but I think you're way off here.
For the reasons mentioned by the commenters above, I would hate to see the program put in the hands of Bobby Petrino. You think that just because we're Michigan, Petrino wouldn't look around? That completely ignores his entire coaching background, and relies on an over-inflated sense of the program that you chastise Bill Martin for having.
Moreover, it seems evident to me that a significant reason that we are having difficulty hiring a coach and have been turned down repeatedly is the pool of candidates who Martin is considering. Clearly, a significant component of not being "off" is having staying power and a history of loyalty to your employer. That is, there are reasons Martin pursued Greg Schiano and not Bobby Petrino, and one of those reasons is that Schiano is reluctant to leave his job (see, e.g., passing up Miami last year) while Petrino can't say no to any job. Getting turned down is an inherent risk when you only consider candidates who've demonstrated loyalty.
Finally, I think Ron English is absolutely a viable candidate. He may not be Bo Pellini as a DC, but the HC job requires a different skill set than does a coordinator (particularly at a place like Michigan). I think that he would be an excellant transition from Lloyd -- maintaining many of Lloyd's better traits -- while also bringing a new enthusiasm and attitude to the program. As for his lack of HC experience, Lloyd was a first-time HC at Michigan, too. That worked out alright.
If Michgian coaching search were to be analogized to The Hills, who would be who, here's how I see it:
Michigan - Lauren - a real cutie, but seemingly always a bridesmaid, never a bride
Kirk Ferentz - Stephen - Very safe, very nice, would be cute with Lauren, but can't get his mind off another girl (Kristen/Iowa)
Les Miles - Jason - sort of a bad boy that Lauren is always drawn to, keeps going back just to get heartbroken again until finally giving up after Jason gets engaged to Katja (LSU)
Brady Hoke - Brody Jenner - First impressions are kind of weird, Brody seems like a tool at first, but it's most likely because his affiliation with Spencer (Ball St.). Over time he grows on everyone and looks like a viable candidate for Lauren's love, especially when he separates from Spencer and is free to be himself.
But look, I was just trying to point out these two hyprocrisies in Brian's boosting of Miles and simultaneous trashing of Grobe:
1. Brian complains that Grobe is old. Grobe is 6 months older than his candidate, Miles.
2. Brian complains that pursuing Grobe is pursuing a "stereotype" and perpetuating an image at Michigan. Les Miles was the single front runner for the Michigan job because he was a Michigan player and coach under Bo Schembechler - perpetuating the "Michigan Man" tradition. That is SO much more of a pursuit of an image than anything with Grobe could feasibly be called.
herb 86-
No Kelly is a good coach because he did it at Cincinati, CMU, and at GVSU. Everywhere he goes he wins.
@ Mallett
No selects, this calls for full leaded Budweiser.
Which is a long way of saying; people hate Bill Martin because a bunch of false rumors sounded bad. And that's messed up.
Martin has admitted he was out sailing without being in contact with the search committee or his staff for a whole weekend.
He has been alternatively silent and arrogant with his comments.
This is not rumor. His reputation is being tarnished because he has been carrying himself as a fool and an amateur throught his "process."
He has known since early Septmber that he needed to find a new coach. He was hamhanded with Miles and Schiano, giving him and the University that lost to a 1-AA team a severe black eye,
That is what we know - it is not a rumor.
@MDan
Anyone who thinks Lloyd Carr is a "sack of shit" has pretty much forfeited any credibility they might have.
Honestly, I think the "Lloyd Carr is sabotaging this search/Lloyd is a jerk" stuff is the most disgusting part of the fanbase reaction to this search.
And that's really, really saying something.
@ herb 86
For one, Kelly built a program at D2 Grand Valley. He completely turned around CMU in 3 years, and finally, he had more success with Dantonio's players than Dantonio did.
And who says the new coach has to "build" a program?? 30+ years of making bowl games doesn't sound to me like it needs to be built. Tweaked, maybe, but not built.
Ryan-
I fail to follow your points.
You note that most of the fan base wanted Miles, so we shouldn't be upset if they're not excited about Grobe.
Now, you seem to call out those that are saying Grobe is one of the best coaches by responding, "just because everyone says he's the best, doesn't mean he's the best fit."
So what is it? The candidate should be whatever consensus the fan base determines is the best "fit"?
How is Grobe not a good fit if you concede that he's one of the best coaches in America? Because he's not Les Miles?
Dude, Stephen and Kristen aren't on The Hills!
I watch too much tv.
\And he lost 2 games, didn't blow anyone out in 2 months, and had to sneak into the NC game.//
One of the first questions Napoleon liked to ask about generals he was considering for a campaign: "Is he lucky?"
True story.
"IT IS TIME THAT EVERYONE, INCLUDING THAT SACK OF SHIT CARR, THAT WORTHLESS PRESIDENT COLEMAN, AND THAT FREE ASSWIPE MARTIN, REALIZE WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FUCKING COACH, NOT A SUCCESSOR TO GHANDI.
Lord help me, this shit is giving me a coronary. To think, we could have had Miles or Petrino or Kelly AND MICHIGAN'S ARROGANCE STOPPED US makes me want to kill more than kittens."
MDan - you're calling others crazy?
What the hell would it take for SBM to interview Chris Peterson??
@ There is only one Mike-
why oh why couldn't you have made someone Justin Bobby??
00goblue00, you are wasting your breath. Anyone who argues that Miles isn't a good coach is a fool. the "talent" argument has been disproven and the alternatives, given the arrogance of the three stooges, is horrific.
Thanks for the info Gsimmons85.
Anyone see this garbage?: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...6/71212038/
1048
@Johnny Sideburns
Luck isn't repeatable, at least not over the long term. That's why great teams blow people out; if you play in enough close games, you're going to lose some of them. Which, of course, is one of the biggest criticisms of Lloyd Carr.
I remember when M-Dan used to say stuff like "pardon my french".
Meeeeechigan Dan-
Chill out.
I think Miles is a good coach. Thinking he's a good coach is different from thinking he's the "only coach."
What the hell would it take for Michigan to hire a G D search firm to knock out the initial leg work.
Thanks for the info Gsimmons85.
Anyone see this garbage?: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...d...6/71212038/
1048
No one thought he was the only coach, but lets face it, he wasn't horrible by any means...
go blue hens?
00goblue00-
To be fair, you don't think some posters here thought he was the only coach? Come on!! (And I'm talking about you at all)
Off with her head... arrrghhhh!!!
Sorry for the bad link. Again:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...6/71212038/
1048
Screw all that. Nice, nice is over. If that sack of shit had retired at the right time and had taken his cronyism out the picture, all would be well. Fuck him.
Sorry JeremyB, forgot to switch the false name back from last week.
I would be shocked if we hired Grobe.I dont know a single person in the AD that thinks Ron English isnt atleast a few times better than him.
xyz@umich | 12.12.07 - 2:25 pm |
An amazing quote and, if true, is an indication of the mentality of Michigan's AD. Grobe, ACC coach of the year, on everyones top 20 list of college coaches, is not as good as the Michigan DC.
A 2-year DC with NO head coaching experience is "at least a few time better" than last year's ACC coach of the year.
What an absolute perfect example of Michigan's idiodic arrogance in the AD that has landed them in place they are in right now.
ThWard,
was there supposed to be a not in there?
@MDan-
Thanks, I know. I am with you and agree with most of what you say.
Calm down though, seriously. I like you posting here, I like and value your opinions and we don't need you giving yourself a coronary right now and not being able to post on here. I know it's annoying, but this is not worth giving yourself a coronary just yet! When the head coach is announced and its not to our liking, then by all means certainly go on a tirade. :)
@chitownblue
I don't buy that their are only SOME coaches who are available
Oh my, we vigorously disagree here. Chitown, would you have thought that the Rutgers coach was available prior to his rejection of us? I mean, seriously- was he one of the "large" group of "candidates," or did you put him in the same box as Meyers and Stoops?
I don't blame Schiano for saying 'no,' but that's me- I understand that Michigan, as great as it is, still needs to be sold to a coaching candidate. That's because presumably a Michigan coaching candidate would be
-successful
-smart
-loyal
etc.
and successful, smart, loyal, etc. coaches don't just up and pack their bags just because OMG!Michigan called. Generally, successful coaches in existing programs are happy where they are, and thus most of them aren't willing to make a move to Michigan...just 'cuz it's OMG!Michigan.
And the rejection by the Rutgers coach and the LSU coach and the Iowa coach proves that. Michigan is not on some higher plane where the laws of supply and demand don't exist. We have to pick from the "available" pool just like everybody else.
That Keeler shit is interesting....here's more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._...ki/
K._C._Keeler
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data...hp?
coachid=1231
Initial reaction: He's brash...hmmm..
Delaware coach is now on the hot list.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...2038/0/
SPORTS06
"What the hell would it take for Michigan to hire a G D search firm to knock out the initial leg work."
This is like the people that complain about us not having a Special Teams coach - they read a complaint about it once, somewhere, and repeat it ad nauseum. Just like there are less than 10 programs in the nation with a dedicated Special Teams Coach, most schools do not hire head hunting firms to find their coaches. Nebraska does not equal everyone.
Why are we content to aim down? Why Brian Kelly? Yes he has won where ever he has been. Yet if win at BGSU, Utah and FLA (inc. the National Championship) that is too rich for Mich blood.
Is there any truth to the rumor that Urban Meyer and the FLA AD do not get along?
"retired at the right time"
Michigan started 11-0 last season. Was anyone calling for his retirement then? Of course not. Lloyd Carr is one of the most dignified men in the coaching business, and for anyone to suggest he has anything other than the best interest of the University of Michigan at heart is a goddamn joke. Revisionist history if the worst sort.
Keeler is a Delaware alum. That IS his dream job.
chill,
sorry i know i sounded self-righteous, im just frustrated by the negativity, when very positive things are still out there....
ThWard, with viable alternatives, I lose no sleep losing Les. With our current alternatives, it's a friggin' disaster.
I said it before, 'we have two of the Three fucking Stooges running the search and it ain't the good ones' (Moe, Curly or Larry...or even Shemp) it's Joe 'not so haarrddd' Besser and his replacement Curly Joe Dorita...we have the two just god awful Stooges running the search for a new coach and it's driving me up the damned wall...
Why is this University so damned cheap when it comes to paying coaches? This isn't the old days when your name and reputation could get someone to take less money to come here...nowadays you can put together winning programs and get in the national spotlight anywhere and no one of value is going to take a million and a half less to coach at Michigan, just because it's Michigan. Damn, I don't know why in the hell I was so jazzed up through the season thinking that change was coming at the end of the season. Lloyd made the decision to retire, but it appears that not a damn thing has changed.
This just in: Nothing.
Get used to it.
Jim Grobe coached at Ohio U. No ties to the Midwest? Ohio is a MAC school. Come on, he's one of the best out there and he seems like a good guy.
cfaller - I'm not saying that every coach out there wants to coach here. I do honestly believe that everyone has a price. LSU found Miles'. We didn't find Schiano's. If we offered Schiano $3 million +, he'd be wearing a Michigan hat right now.
@ThWard
00goblue00-
To be fair, you don't think some posters here thought he was the only coach? Come on!! (And I'm talking about you at all)
I am assuming there was supposed to be a not in there, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now :)
But agreed. Some people did think he was the only coach. I get that. I am just saying, maybe he wasn't the savior of Michigan football, but he certainly wouldn't have been a let down by any means.
So I says, "Hey Lama....":
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...044/1008/
NEWS06
I WAS THE ONLY PERSON HERE PUSHING KEELER! I'M AT LEAST AS SMART AS BILL MARTIN! KISS THE RING NEW MEMBERS OF THE KEELER MAFIA.
We don't know what's going on. All we know is what a bunch of malcontents are typing online.
Keeler -
1)Delaware alum
2)incharge of the most successful FBS (longer term, app state is short term).
3)I can not imagine him coming here
Actually, Kelly had pretty much the same record as Dantonio with an easier OOC schedule.
If Kelly had played tOSU and VT in the OOC, you could add two losses. Oregon State was a nice win, but hardly amazing.
Kelly is not the proven some think (remember the BC-CMU game?), and from what I hear from my friends back in MI, he's not a character guy.
The right time at the end of the year. And I do not give a shit anymore what a swell old dude he is. He's fucked everything up. Go open a museum.
"chill,
sorry i know i sounded self-righteous, im just frustrated by the negativity, when very positive things are still out there....
gsimmons85 | 12.12.07 - 2:45 pm | # "
No worries at all. I just prefer a bit of context.
@ xyz@umich
If Ron English is so damn great, with all of the coaching vacancies there have been so far this year, how many head coaching offers has he had so far????
What I mean to say, I suppose, is that there is nothing stopping us from going after literally anybody.
It seems highly plausible that Schiano and Miles both turned Michigan down because of the possible requirement that Debord keeps his job for at least one or two years. The possibility of this being true is both very real and very sad.
Actually, I brought up keeler for head coach during their semifinal match with alot of information. Then cast him aside due to the fact it looks impossible. Anyone remember which thread that was?
Meeeeechigan Dan.
Share your viable alternatives.
Me? Kelly (sorry, blacklisted and all, but as a reader of a premium site, I see enough rumblings to think there's a 1% chance), Grobe (to quickly dismiss him as Brian did seems lazy- and I love Brian's work), Tedford, Petersen.
Assuming you're anti-Grobe, are you saying you don't think the others are viable? Or that you don't like them (or anyone else)?
MDan - when would you have wanted Lloyd to announce?
Relatively minor point, but there appears to be some "misinformation" about two coaching candidates ages:
Jim Grobe - Born February 17, 1952 (Age: 55)
Les Miles - Born November 10, 1953 (Age: 54)
Difference just under 19 months.
And now I have the song "16 going on 17" stuck in my head.
Come on people, the next coach doesn't have to have any previous ties to Michigan. If such a tie is absolutely necessary, we will be left with Bo's bones.
(ha, yes, obviously I meant "not talking about you")
"For Schiano to turn the job down there has to be something wrong with someone. Maybe it's Schiano, but the preponderance of the evidence says otherwise."
No - Schiano is too personally invested in Rutgers and his family and his Jersey heritage. Schiano was the problem - he was a flawed candidate who never should have been offered, because he was not going to accept.
My crystal ball says we are going to promote English and let LC mentor him similarly to how Bo mentored Carr. Hell, they will probably give Carr Bo''s old office in Schembechler Hall. I'm actually down with this option as long as he is allowed to broom anyone on the current staff he chooses to, similarly to Bielema 2 years ago @ Wiscy when he was elevated.
Go Blue!
Keeler would come here.
The thing nobody ever points about Delaware is that the helmets are the same because the guys who turned the program into a major one were both former Michigan players and assistants. It's just us reaping the rewards of sending them there.
I agree with the sentiments of this post entirely. Michigan should not be eliminating good coaches who would want to coach here.
We need change, not conformity. Michigan football is about winning, just like almost all programs are. Stop pretending it should be about more than that.
btw, doesn't Grobe look like Eric Mangini in that picture Brian posted?
" It seems highly plausible that Schiano and Miles both turned Michigan down because of the possible requirement that Debord keeps his job for at least one or two years. The possibility of this being true is both very real and very sad.
hillhaus | Homepage | 12.12.07 - 2:48 pm | #
And this is what I hate. Nobody knows this. This is BS internet rumor that somehow gets codified into reality with enough repetition - just like "Lloyd Carr blackballed Les because Les slept with Mrs. Carr" or "Lloyd Carr has Parkinsons". NOBODY KNOWS ANY OF IT.
Ryan:
That would be one Harold "Tubby" Raymond.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har...ubby%
22_Raymond
I love Brian's work, but I will disagree here. I think Grobe is fairly universally seen as a "the risk is worth it" candidate for bigger jobs. What he's done at Wake against "big-time" schools is pretty impressive. I thought he should have been on the list earlier. His cred at an "academic" school should get him a plus in MSC's office.
They took Louisville to the wire last year and they were definitely overmatched. The ACC's weak but you still gotta win the games.
It's only a matter of time that a really strong, stable job opens for him and he takes it. If we get Grobe I'll have a party.
00goblue00--
No, I don't think so either re: Miles.
But a discussion about Miles' coaching ability shouldn't inform a debate about Grobe or any other candidate. To do so suggests that the person really only believes there is one good coach (Miles).
Frankly, I agree with Brian about the process/criteria being effed up. But I fear he's letting his Miles obsession color his assessment of other candidates. Maybe, maybe not.
Put another way:
If I say, "What do you think of Grobe?" and the responses are a debate about Miles, well, let's just say I think some of us have to let go.. (and again, I'm NOT(!!) talking about you).
@ThWard
haha okay. I was going to say. I hope I'm not going to have to go into bitch mode on him :)
I supported him yes, thought he should be the #1 candidate but by all means did not think he was or should be the only one.
Bitch mode averted.
formerlyanonymous,
Because a guy went there doesn't mean he wouldn't leave if he thought the offer was right. Delaware is the Michigan of 1-AA, but nobody would fault him if he made the jump to us.
Anyone know whether the Dalai Lama is coming to campus as an advisor on the coaching search or a candidate?
Here is another Grobe article:
http://deathrattlesports.com/
ind...cessfully+saved.
BRCE: What good coach that wants to coach here has Michigan "eliminated"? I'm curious.
I've got a very strong feeling that the next coach is going to be Cam Cameron. I hope I'm wrong.
"Something is rotten in the state of Schembechler, and it will not yield the throne."
I would posit that we're not in the state of schembechler anymore - no longer is the football office a place where excellence is valued above political back-scratching and press polish. No longer is the coach seen as the coach whose job it is to coach. Now he's a material extension of the university president's cabinet and has to be vetted as such. I'm glad I'm ditching my PhD program and getting out of academia because there's no way I could take this kind of crap my entire career.
NYBLUE - I hope you're wrong too. Cameron was a disaster when he coached Indiana.
We are about to spend a week in FLA with one that is a midwest guy, won everywhere he has been, says good things about Mich, idolized Bo (his words), and Lloyd says good things about him. Plus there is some evidence that he and his AD are not getting along.
So why not ask?
@ Chitownblue 00
DeBord's contract was renegotiated at the start of this season to guarantee him either a position or pay through 2008, if I remember correctly. It isn't completely an internet rumor. It's more of a very scary possibility with some reality based upon signed contracts.
FWIW,
This is what the rivals mod has to say about keeler.
"[the rumor] started yesterday as a joke.... and seems to have made the rounds"
No, Delaware is not the Michigan of FCS. They are much better, although they had similar problems of running the same ancient offense for way too long (winged T).
But the Michigan connection to UD wouldn't mean that much to a current coach.
hillhaus
"possiblity" in whose mind? I hate to channel anon from the previous post, but truly, though I am disappointed that we didn't get Miles (hold off on the enticements, Chill), we don't know why he's not coming here. Not enough $$? LC? Likes BR winters better? Kathy threatened him? JK. Schiano, seems to me, couldn't leave the fam and being the Rutgers hero. BM has to know that your possiblity would kill too many kittens. And BM LOVES KITTENS!
Delaware was run by Michigan guys from 1951-2001. They ran the same offense as Fritz Crisler. Now, Keeler runs the spread instead of the Winged T but it's a pro style spread. It will work out if we hire him, it will be better then the Tressel hire.
@ThWard-
I understand where you are coming from with Brians latest post. The process is screwed up for sure. I don't think Grobe would be a bad hire, I just don't see it happening.
I just get a little annoyed when people say that Miles completely sucks. He doesn't by any means. Every coach makes questionable calls etc but if he sucks then that means coaches like Grobe or Kelly suck too. I don't think any of them do but just saying.
I know you aren't attacking me and I don't feel like I have to defend myself against you. Just saying that if you are going to lay claim that Miles sucks (which he clearly doesn't) then one could argue that any other coaches in this search suck too. Ya know?
BTW, doesn't Grobe look like Eric Mangini in that picture Brian posted?
ThWard, with viable alternatives, I lose no sleep losing Les. With our current alternatives, it's a friggin' disaster.
Meeechigan Dan | Homepage | 12.12.07 - 2:46 pm | #
Exactly my thoughts. I don't believe we're gonna get Grobe, Peterson, Kelly or anyone else that's good if we don't get Miles. I think we're gonna get Mr. Hanky, or Brady Hoke, or Mike DeBord, or some other shit sandwich.
Hillhaus - the fact that he has a contract going through 2008 is old hat. That doesn't mean that Michigan is letting candidates walk away because they refuse to pay DeBord $600,000 to sit at home next year.
What about Gary Crowton?
I think he deserves a look.
@xyz@umich
I would be shocked if we hired Grobe. I dont know a single person in the AD that thinks Ron English isn't at least a few times better than him.
xyz@umich | 12.12.07 - 2:25 pm
I concur with Blue Durham about this quote. Not only does it show a lack of knowledge of the coaching community, but also a staggering amount of arrogance.
Shorter xyz: we don't think he's as good as one of our own, therefore he isn't as good as one of our own. Damn the facts!
We are who we thought we were. Wow.
Oh, and to the KG Mafia: if xyz is a legit "insider" at the AD, then you can pretty plainly see that the King's chances are slim- at best- of beating out Hoke or English.
Does a Keeler hire sell luxury boxes at MICH Stadium?
Carr should have retired after the SECCG, if we were intent on Miles. Otherwise, at the end of the football season for other coaches.
I would take Grobe just to put me out of my fucking misery. He would be OK. Not what I signed on for, but I will take it.
If Peterson, Tenuta, Kelly, Petrino were all getting looks, I would be sane now.
Hey guys, I need to pick a new mafia. I've decided my Harbaugh mafia from last night isn't going to cut it. Can the leaders of the different mafias currently available please give me their pitch as to why I should join their mafia and the benefits of doing so? Thank you and have a great day.
WTF (and M Dan if you agree with WTF):
If you're right, save me a spot on the riot bandwagon. But I'm holding out hope.
As I said earlier... I think Martin really is a blind squirrel. I have no reason to assume he'll make a good hire because I have no faith in his process... but I DO think there's a shot he'll luck into one. Doesn't mean he did a good job, just that a tragedy was averted. Hoping for the best.
and to edit
"If PEOPLE are going to lay claim that Miles sucks." Didn't mean to say "you"
Grobe doesn't look like Mangini. He looks like a fucking KING.
Hey, I just got on the radio! THe Ticket!
Can't believe those idiots let me talk.
HIre the chimp!
K.C. Keeler (47 yrs old):
78-80 - Linebacker @ Delaware ... fuck
81-85 - Assistant @ Amherst
86-92 - Assistant @ Rowan
93-01 - HC @ Rowan going 88-21-1 (.804) with 7 D3 playoff appearances
01-present - HC Delaware. D1 AA title in 03.
Delawarean of the year in 04
American Football Monthly lists as as top recruiter
Instead of the hat.. the shades, even at night
Yea, not a candidate I imagine with the strong Delaware ties.
-----------------------------------
he also ditched the winged T that delaware had used for nearly 60 years for the spread.
I have a new top candidate!
KC Keeler for HC!!!
formerlyanonymous | 12.08.07 - 6:23 pm |
--------------------------------------
# 2003 Division I-AA Championship, first national title in 24 years.
# 2003 Season Results: All games;15-1, Conference;8-1
# 2004 Season Results: All games;9-4, Conference;7-1
# 2005 Season Results: All games;6-5, Conference;3-5
# 2006 Season Results: All games;5-6, Conference;3-5
# 2007 Season Results: All Games;10-3, Conference;5-3
# As noted in the University of Delaware online news source UDaily article, K.C. Keeler's contract was extended through 2009
I cast him away after that. Ryan, technically you are behind a poster named Don... which is fitting name for the Keeler Mafia. Don Don.
formerlyanonymous,
Raymond and Nelson revered Michigan. I'm sure they'd* tell K.C. to take it, and that's why I think it's important.
* Is David Nelson dead?
People? I ain't PEOPLE!
@Ryan
I like Keeler too. And if he can beat App. State in the SubD Championship that's a message from the football gods that he's the right man for the job.
@chunks
lol wasn't referring to you.
00goblue00--
Too late for the edit. You're on my shit list.
"Hey guys, I need to pick a new mafia. I've decided my Harbaugh mafia from last night isn't going to cut it. Can the leaders of the different mafias currently available please give me their pitch as to why I should join their mafia and the benefits of doing so? Thank you and have a great day.
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 2:58 pm | # "
Two words: free crack.
Chitownblue
I'm not saying that every coach out there wants to coach here. I do honestly believe that everyone has a price. LSU found Miles'. We didn't find Schiano's. If we offered Schiano $3 million +, he'd be wearing a Michigan hat right now.
Yeah, we disagree. But I don't see any way that we can come together on this point, so...how is the Transformers DVD?
English better than Grobe? Spare me. English is an OK DC who doesn't know an off tackle play from a post. He'd get stuck with some crony for OC. It would be a disaster.
@ThWard-
awesome. thanks. lol.
TX,
The Keeler mafia is accepting new members.
hillhaus
only required that [kitten killer] be paid through next season, not that he have a job.
We're looking, it seems, for the SAME ONLY DIFFERENT. A "different" coach won't please the SAME crowd, and vice versa.
It can be done. But it won't be easy.
Patience -- oh, and a whole shitload of cash -- is the only solution.
@Ryan
But I'm getting free crack from the MtMM...what can you offer?
from GBW:
Okay, I know what all the mods have said on both networks' Michigan sites. I know I've also said let's forget about Brian Kelly. But I just heard something very interesting...
Kelly's buyout is cut in half as of January 2nd. Also, through the coaching fraternity a mutual friend was told by a current Cincinnati assistant that, "We're very much in play for Michigan."
I just heard this 15 minutes ago from a very, very good source. Hopefully the Mods can verify one way or the other. Personally, I think Brian Kelly is a better coach than Les Miles. Way better. But apparently there has always been something in his past holding him back.
Maybe we're willing to overlook some things now that we've been publicly rejected thrice?
TX,
The "Really would like to see URF from OSU and Recruiting [insert day here]" Mafia wants real content in this monotony of speculation.
@ cfaller96 -
I agree and am now totally despondent. If this xyz guy really is plugged into the AD, then it just goes to show that this deck was stacked from the beginning to favor an inside hire.
Of course, none of our coordinators are beating off job offers from other programs, but damnit, they're Michigan and thus must be better than everyone else regardless of the facts!
For the record: before the Grobe supporters (opponents) get into too much of a frenzy.
From what I can tell, this is mostly starting from ONE rumor on the premium board by someone who throws a million rumors out a day and hopes it'll stick. Now, for Brian to post it suggests legitimacy... but, well, you know, Ferentz, Miles, Schiano and all that.
So, post and debate away. I'm going to focus on work and hope Michigan has a legitimate coach sooner than later.
Problem with Transformers was that you can't tell which robots were Autobots and which were Decepticons when they fought. Other than that, lots of explosions. I like explosions.
Youdontknowme:
Be careful when you say "From GBW"
That's not from an insider, it's from a poster who posts a lot of rumors.
Apparently some people don't think there's a difference of modality between possibility and actuality.
Lloyd mandating DeBord's return as OC is a possibility. If DeBord returning were a complete impossibility, they wouldn't have interviewed him for the HC position in the first place.
Question:
Since head of mafias that are males are referred to as "Don's" If a woman was to lead a mafia what would she be called The Donna?
\Lloyd Carr is one of the most dignified men in the coaching business, and for anyone to suggest he has anything other than the best interest of the University of Michigan at heart is a goddamn joke.//
If by "dignified" you mean an older and grumpier version of Jimmy Stewart, you're absolutely spot-on.
His lack of vision RE: the timing of his retirement announcement is exceeded only by his lack of vision as an offensive mind. He didn't do anyone any favors, least of all the University of Michigan. If his retirement was the worst-kept secret in the entire NCAA, there would've been nothing wrong with him waiting until after the bowl game (which he's going to coach anyway) to announce it.
If anything, announcing his retirement to his team the morning of the bowl game may have been the extra kick in the pants they need to inspire them against Florida.
ThWard - as we discussed this morning, I'm going into the whole thing the the attitude that every rumor I hear is BS - so a Grobe hire would be a surprise, and no Grobe hire would be met with a shoulder-shrug.
@formerlyanonymous
I have 0 desire to read the OSU UFR. Plus you called it a URF, which would be right if you were Yoda. So, your mafia is out.
Next?
00goblue00
Yes, Donna, absolutely. The prima donna. (heavy Sicilian accent)
Youdontknowme:
Sorry, take that back. The guy that posted that is a well-respected dude. NOt who I thought it was.
@ MDan -
I am with you on your list. But given very disturbing rumblings out of the AD, I now think that I only care that I want an outside hire that will totally clean house, fumigation and all.
Unfortunately, we are going to get a crony.
@bleeding blue-
good point. I'm Italian and didn't even think of that lol. Question answered.
Indeed. Too common are typos today i say.
"Question:
Since head of mafias that are males are referred to as "Don's" If a woman was to lead a mafia what would she be called The Donna?
00goblue00 | 12.12.07 - 3:05 pm | # "
No sexism intended, but I don't think the Mafia Code--specifically, omerta--makes any allowances for women. Just look at Connie in the Godfather...that's about as close as you get (i.e. having a hot-headed brother named Sonny).
I need to go off for a bit... 00goblue00, I'm making you interim head of the Keeler mafia, since you have expirience running the MtMM.
I have personally heard a lot more positive vibes for Kelly than Grobe.
If they hire Brian Kelly, I'll have you all know that I'm going to take all the credit...sorry BKINAT...
Hate to compare the team here and UM, but the team here didn't hire a coach until mid January. What's wrong with being patient until the end of the bowl season? Do we really want a coach that's willing to bolt before Jan 7??
Just my two coppers.
"I need to go off for a bit... 00goblue00, I'm making you interim head of the Keeler mafia, since you have expirience running the MtMM.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:09 pm | # "
^^Um...you can't triple stamp a double stamp. Throw down your muskets and declare your allegiance now!
If they hire Kelly, I will apologize to all and buy everyone a case of Chivas.
@Chill
Well. That should be changed because women can be just as vicious as men, if not more so.
I'll be the Prima Donna of the "I don't give a shit who it is until it is announced at a presser Mafia"
@Ryan-
I don't know anything about him. But I'll try to hold it down for you while you are out lol.
the bottom line in the coaching search is just that...the bottom line. there are a handful of BIG ticket donors that will guarantee that martin, et al pick someone who will not in any way endanger the image of our football program as one of 1. integrity 2. absolutely scandal free 3. presenting a solid public image.
if said candidate is also a coaching genius...GREAT! otherwise, someone who's demonstrated that he can manage a football program w/o having a clarett or bush/leinart or other such "hiccup" and still put a team on the field that will have a chance to play for the big 10 champ every year is the single most important criteria
I don't think viciousness is a parameter. But point noted.
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dammit, this isn't EDSBS
ARe we really looking for a savior or a football coach?
Seriously, are we in Bump Elliot land right now?
@ 00goblue00,
Are you female? Or are you internet-cross-dressing with the 'Prima Donna' moniker?
Chitownblue 00, sometimes you seem like the only voice of reason here.
Why are people assuming that there's no "progress" being made in the search? Because there aren't press conferences hourly? Because BILG hasn't posted new information recently? Because the FreeP isn't coming out with wacky new "insider" stories?
If all the rumors about Bill Martin and the coaching search turn out to be true, then I'm as unhappy as any of you about it. But if the rumors turn out to be wrong, and Bill Martin ends up hiring Urban Meyer or some other superstar coach, is everyone here going to write heartfelt apologies to Martin and Mary Sue Coleman?
I think we all need to take a deep breath and wait for some *real* news.
I could live with Grobe.
Four things I hold against Ron English OSU, USC, ASU, and Oregon. Can anyone find a worse 4 game stretch of defense for Michigan (by points, yards, infamy, destroyed illusions?) I also keep hearing Tebow is going to score 74 TDs which leads me to believe confidence English has figured this out is low.
The Bucks won a championship for the 2002 season. They’ve got our number recently. Give them props. I don’t hear a lot chest thumping about last seasons FLA game. If they spit the bit against LSU then they’re half way to being the Buffalo Bills of college football. That’ll make ‘em wish for loss or two next season.
Petrino is a souless whore. The fact that he didn't get a sniff from Michigan at least demonstrates the AD's office isn't half as panicked as the internet fans.
I actually wouldnt mind keeler all that much right now either.....but id rather have miles or meyer
@Chill
Obviously, female. lol. What male on here ends certain posts with smilies? I can't remember anytime, oh except yesterday when BILG impostor posted one for S&G's.
Well, savior or coach--which is it?
These threads are a mess, but to the posters near the top: BM said a long time ago that the new HC would be named at the end of the year. This isnt exactly a race. Youre pretty stupid if you think it is.
We could have hired Hoke the day that Carr quit, or announced Debord at the very same PC where Carr stepped down.
The idea if "racing" to find a new HC has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No offense.
@Chillmodious
If 00goblue00 comes back to the MtMM, you could offer TX Wolverine something else besides free crack: girls (or at least, girl). If I rejoin, then it's plural.
Я требую тренера в течение недели. В течение каждого дня я выносил эту спекулятивную ерунду, я теряю год моей жизни.
tcblue hit the nail on the head !
I have personally heard a lot more positive vibes for Kelly than Grobe.
xyz@umich | 12.12.07 - 3:09 pm |
Okay, I call bullshit here. Multiple media outlets, many of them reliable, have stated that Brian Kelly is NOT a serious candidate, for whatever reason. And xyz squares this conventional wisdom with his/her "insider" knowledge how?
I call bullshit. xyz isn't "in" the AD. xyz is fucking with all of us. So, on the bright side, maybe King Grobe is a viable candidate?
But no, no, that would make too much sense, and Sailboat Bill doesn't give a damn about your facts and logic!
I'm glad I'm ditching my PhD program and getting out of academia because there's no way I could take this kind of crap my entire career.
topher, what type of program? why scrapping it? as a fellow phd-track guy, i'm just curious...
i think too many of us are trying to connect rumors, semi-rumors, and MSM-reported-opinion and a few selected facts. subsequently, conclusions are being jumped to in order create a logical/reasonable explanation for these rumors++ so we can comprehend the situation. thus, LC is some kind of selfish, evil genius who is bent on dominating the AD...MSC & BM are bumbling morons. i think the simple explanation is that there is alot of pressure being exerted on the AAD from many directions, and that they won't talk to coaches untill their season is complete.
i can't say this has gone well...and i can't say we should just be patient and reserve judgement for after the hire is announced (officially). but, how did the osu search go? when was tressel hired? who was the AD there? Geiger, who worked under Canham at Michigan years ago. my point is, not all searches are the same. just b/c NU, R-KS, find coaches in 2 weeks or less doesn't mean M should.
KF rejecting us (if it did happen) looks bad only to those casual fans who know nothing of KFs situation at iowa. ditto for Schiano. ditto for osu and bellotti. ditto for LM, and i still don't believe LM was BM 1st choice.
i have to admit that i'm getting worn down by this search. too many ups & downs w/ miles, et al. and i wasn't totally sold on him to begin w/ either. considering that this search will most likely continue into Jan, i think we neeb to pace ourselves a bit. there will not be any instant gratitifcation.
@00goblue00,
I figured. Just wanted to make sure. I always seek context. And dry land.
Well, know we're getting somewhere. Even though it's got a snowball's chance in hell, I may have to join the MtMM
@bleeding blue
I am back in, just in a much smaller role for now.
Come Jan 9th if we still don't have a coach I will reassume my position as Prima Donna of the MtMM. With chill being the Don of the MtMM.
omg girls on teh internets.
Here we go again.
@00goblue00
Any perks for potential members?
@TX
I'll get back to you on that. What I can let you know right now for certain is that "Miles signed his contract extension" lol :)
As much as I like Petrino as a coach, I am glad that we didn't pursue him. He would have jumped at an SEC opening at a heartbeat. While I am 100% against cronyism, I would like to see a coach who will be in Ann Arbor for 10 years.
Denne trenende letingen er retardert. Jeg betrakter ordrett drepende VIRKELIGE kattunger på det nåværende tidspunkt. Det er ikke at jeg ville gjøre det, men mann som det er den eneste tingen på mitt sinn. knekk knekkknekk
@Jeremy B
I didn't bring it up, I was asked so lets not go down that road again.
HIre the chimp.
Are there any rumblings about Rich-Rod? And if not why the hell not.
"@Chillmodious
If 00goblue00 comes back to the MtMM, you could offer TX Wolverine something else besides free crack: girls (or at least, girl). If I rejoin, then it's plural.
bleeding blue | 12.12.07 - 3:18 pm | # "
I'm a commissar, not a pimp, so it would be against my principles to offer either of you to TX Wolverine. If the free crack doesn't suffice, then I may include some party poppers and a pinata from 1989 (still with the '89 candy in it!). We'll see.
Forget it, there's no way I can reasonably justify joining the MtMM mafia. The possibility of him actually coming is too remote. I'd like to take this opportunity to withdraw my name from consideration of the MtMM.
Smoochieへの死！
OK, to those criticizing the timing of Lloyd's retirement - get real. The man gave a ton to the university and frankly he was free to decide when he wanted to announce. He chose two days after the last game - seems like a logical and good time. It also seems he factored in the recruiting angle (not wanting to mislead recruits). We have no firm evidence that his timing was due to any other factors. Let it go. He earned the right to decide when it was his time.
@TX
I hope it had nothing to do with my recent comment. haha I'm just teasing you!
Who's in the Blow Chunks the Hobo Mafia?
People, Keeler is the answer.
thanks xyz! as "they" say...follow the money. and when there are heavy hitters kicking in 6+ figures, they get a say
I think that Glenn Mason should be considered!
signed,
Glenn Mason
@ken
Why are people assuming that there's no "progress" being made in the search? Because there aren't press conferences hourly? Because BILG hasn't posted new information recently? Because the FreeP isn't coming out with wacky new "insider" stories?
Ken, you're ignoring the time factor. We're headed into the fourth week, and we've either offered the job to a range of one (Schiano) to three (Schiano, Miles, Ferentz) coaches.
Three coaches in a little over three weeks. That's an awfully slow pace, to the point that this smacks of incompetence. No program should ever be so ponderous in its vetting, contacting, and interviewing process.
Now, if you want to make the argument that the AD has been doing a crackerjob and has been interviewing LOTS of candidates, well...that's even worse, because it means that LOTS of candidates are looking under the covers of the job, and are saying 'no.'
So, to sum up, we either have an incompetently-run search, or the job is unattractive to a large number of coaches. Take your pick, but I think at this stage it's pretty irrational to imply or think that there's nothing wrong here.
@00goblue00
I respect the MtMM and everything the MtMM stands for. The MtMM's tradition is truly unparalleled and I used to consider myself part of the MtMM. However, I've found a new mafia: the King Grobe mafia. I can't be in two mafias at once. It saddens me at times. But I'm home.
People, Keeler is the answer.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:26 pm | #
If Delaware beats App. State this weekend, I'll jump on that bandwagon.
"So, to sum up, we either have an incompetently-run search, or the job is unattractive to a large number of coaches."
Either way that is bad. What is making it so unattractive to those people? It still falls back to the AD and the search committee so.
"Forget it, there's no way I can reasonably justify joining the MtMM mafia. The possibility of him actually coming is too remote. I'd like to take this opportunity to withdraw my name from consideration of the MtMM.
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 3:24 pm | # "
I sadly accept your withdrawal. As usual, the MtMM doesn't blackball. Feel free to e-mail me for reinstatement at any time: chillmodious@gmail.com
@TX
Oh we understand. Just watch your back. No one leaves the MtMM for another.
Kidding of course!
TX Wolverine,
You have a damn strong mafia that has a chance to win a championship!
\Are there any rumblings about Rich-Rod? And if not why the hell not.//
RichRod isn't leaving WVU. Not for Alabama, not for Michigan. RichRod was an ace away from playing for the MNC this year despite playing a Big East schedule and a LAAAAAAAAAAAAAME out-of-conference schedule. Why does he want to leave that arrangement and come to "three yards and a cloud of field turf pellets" territory?
The bottom line in the coaching search is just that...the bottom line. there are a handful of BIG ticket donors that will guarantee that martin, et al pick someone who will not in any way endanger the image of our football program as one of 1. integrity 2. absolutely scandal free 3. presenting a solid public image.
tcblue | 12.12.07 - 3:13 pm | #
^^^My sources have stated that as well. The reality, however, is that the "Big Ticket Donors" are split into multiple factions as to the interpretation of the three criteria. Most importantly, they are completely divided as to whether Les Miles or Brian Kelly fit the bill.
@ Brian Cook
Your negativity and single-mindedness are beginning to grate on me. And I've heard from others that feel the same way.
Schiano JUST MIGHT LIKE IT AT RUTGERS. There doesn't have to be anything wrong with anyone. Penn State was nothing before JoePa. Maybe, just maybe, Schiano's thinking is, "I'll either succeed JoePa at PSU or become the JoePa of Rutgers."
re: Grobe
"Runs a crazy offensive system that may or may not translate to higher levels with (possibly) better talent."
Michigan has better talent. Period. If you don't think Michigan has more talent than Wake Forest, then I question your football expertise.
There's a difference between journalism and columnists. Journalists should remain as objective as possible, whereas columnists inject opinion. Bloggers straddle the line between the two. However, you seem to be straying into gossip and opinion more than objectivity.
Please provide more of the latter.
I'm actually lifted by the possibility of Keeler. He won 80% of his games at normally .500 Rowan, provided a breath of fresh air a Delaware while maintaining their winning tradition, recruits well, works hard. His pro-style spread would provide the change we need without completely retooling.
The only knock seems to be: He loves Delaware. Its his dream job. But there seems like there would be some angle we could take here, given the connection between the Delaware and Michigan programs--Michigan alums helped build the Delaware program and gave them their winged helmets. Offer him a ton of money and show him the winged helmet? Maybe?
"@00goblue00
I respect the MtMM and everything the MtMM stands for. The MtMM's tradition is truly unparalleled and I used to consider myself part of the MtMM. However, I've found a new mafia: the King Grobe mafia. I can't be in two mafias at once. It saddens me at times. But I'm home.
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 3:28 pm | # "
^^If I follow you correctly, and then line up your statements with the MtMM's 'mission statement,' it is abundantly clear that you will be back "home" in the MtMM before long.
Mulleted and mustachioed Jeff George is on ESPNclassic if anyone is interested.
Formerly anonymous:
Может быть, мы должны получить Путина назначить следующий автобус. Он очень эффективный.
TX Wolverine:
When you sign your King Grobe Mafia contract extension and 'forget' to remove the MtMM buyout clause, I'll know you're on the way...
Lloyd Carr is one of the most dignified men in the coaching business, and for anyone to suggest he has anything other than the best interest of the University of Michigan at heart is a goddamn joke.//
I used to think that, but two facts, when put together, place some doubt:
1. Lloyd Carr knew, in January, that this would be his last season.
2. Lloyd Carr was able to have the contracts of is assistant coaches/coordinators, extented though 2008, in the month of June.
If these coaches were really good, why would he have to do point 2? They would either be promoted to head coach, retained by the incoming coach, or leave as the result of multiple job offers from other universities. If they were any good, he would not have had to do the contract extension (oh, it sure as hell wasn't to keep them here from other institutions).
But if Carr suspected that these coaches were, shall we say, suspect, then their job prospects would not be so good after he left. Thus the contract extension.
Thus, Lloyd Carr put the financial interests of his coaches above the interest of the University and the athletic department, and the job search is now suffering as a consequence.
So no, I don't agree that Lloyd Carr has only the best interests of the Universtiy at heart - his recent actions in this strongly suggest otherwise.
I love the MtMM, I will always be an MtMM man. I'll root for them every year, especially during the MtMM-KGM game and I know they'll win it eventually.
@Chill
It's all a smoke screen...
OK, the Urban Mafia is officially waxing. we offer things that no one else can offer: piece of mind. contentment. a consistent high which you will feel throughout this search. and it all comes free, if you join. a teaser:
Just think this the next time any news/rumors are reported: 'eh, this is all just a smokescreen so we can hire Urban after the bowl game.'
imagine the euphoria you can feel if you think this after every little piece of news comes out.
Urban Mafia forever!
Chimp mafia is currently looking for donors and poo slingers.
Keeler might even be open to the possibility:
http://www.delawareonline.com/ap...353/1002/
SPORTS
Magnus - Chill out. Brian certainly isn't obligated to provide content that you're happy with, and when has this blog ever been about "objectivity." First and foremost, Brian is a Michigan fan, just like the rest of us. And just like the rest of us (or at least all the fans I know), he's incredibly frustrated. Understandably.
@cfaller96:
Or maybe we have interviewed a number of candidates, and want to interview more before dangling offers out there.
Or maybe our #1 candidate has been too busy for an interview, and we don't want to offer jobs until we talk to him first.
Or maybe we're negotiating with several coaches and their agents about salaries and conditions, and we won't make a decision until we get some ballpark indications about how much they'll cost.
I just think it's hasty to assume that the only possible reasons for the lengthy search are either incompetence or... incompetence. Call me a pollyanna, but I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt when all we have to work with are rumors and speculation.
"@Chill
It's all a smoke screen...
00goblue00 | 12.12.07 - 3:35 pm | # "
[nodding with knowing glee]
Perhaps, we should receive Putin to appoint the following bus. It very effective
Si el chacho borracho
It was clear to me from some Keeler quotes I've seen that he has an immeasurable amount of respect for us. He'd have to listen.
@AAB
@ Magnus
I'm shocked . . . shocked . . . to find gossip & rumor on a blog.
What's next?
Unfounded opinions? Chimp jokes? Mike DeBord?
@DanK
Maybe Urban will do what everyone thought Les would do.
At the end of the bowl game rip off his Florida shirt and have Michigan attire underneath. Put on an M hat and tell Lloyd to step the F back, he's taking over and in 5 years everyone is going to be like "Lloyd Who?"
I wouldn't be opposed to Meyer at all especially since he has expressed interest in the job before.
Here is Wake Forest's Strength & Conditioning Facilities, Coaching Staff, and Training Philosophy...
http://wakeforestsports.cstv.com...e-
strength.html
Free weights? Check
Athletic Lifts? Check
Train for Power? Check
Better than Git (s)HIT?:
YES, YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!
Ken -
You're pollyanna
Keeler would take this job, read the article Daniel posted. We need to make this happen.
"I wouldn't be opposed to Meyer at all especially since he has expressed interest in the job before."
Defecting? Looking like it might be time for a sit-down of the 5 families:
MtMM (miles)
KGM (grobe)
CM (chimp)
UMM (meyer)
KM (keeler)
I just want to repeat: I am not a candidate to join the MtMM nor will I be a candidate to join the MtMM. I spoke with 00goblue00 to help in the search for potential recruits. I will be in the King Grobe mafia next season (unless it's Tedford, then I'm joining his mafia...I don't care about 6-6 this year. It's the Indiana of the Pac-10!)
@ Gnarls Woodson
I never said Brian can't/shouldn't/isn't allowed to write what he wrote.
I simply asked for more objectivity. As a Michigan fan, he might be interested in fans' opinions who don't think exactly like him.
Besides that, it's close-minded to think Schiano's decision might not have an alternate foundation. Self-awareness is good, but self-flagellation isn't always necessary.
Part of the reason the country is laughing at us is because we're so impatient ourselves.
Everyone needs to chill out and let the people do their jobs.
Don't forget the Zoltan Army
HIT is the absolute worst thing you can do for strength sports. Plus, how the hell can you not squat, it's basic for any strength program.
@ Mike Riordan
My point is, MORE news and LESS gossip.
I don't mean ALL news and NO gossip.
Where is the information (links, sources)in this post that suggests Grobe is really the hot candidate?
24kt
to the posters near the top: BM said a long time ago that the new HC would be named at the end of the year. This isnt exactly a race. Youre pretty stupid if you think it is.
The idea if "racing" to find a new HC has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No offense.
Then chalk me up as a stupid idiot, but before we go lauding your intelligence, we should all note that Bill Martin did NOT say the successor would be named at the end of the year. He said he wanted to name the successor by the end of the year. Since you're so much smarter than a stupid idiot like me, I'm sure you see the difference, right? Good. I'm glad we cleared that up, Einstein.
And the reason why there is a "race" aspect to this is because, to paraphrase Les Miles, a coach can't be in two places at once. If Coach X accepts a job at, say, UCLA before Michigan even contacts him, do you still deny that there is a "race" aspect to the coaching search? Or do you arrogantly say, "eh, we didn't want him anyway"?
Example: Paul Johnson was a really, really good coach at Navy, and he obviously was "available" for plucking, as Georgia Tech nabbed him. How much you want to bet he was signed at GT before Michigan even f--king contacted him? Or, worse, would you rather believe that "eh, we didn't want him anyway"? Or, by far the worst, would you rather believe that Michigan did contact him, but he said 'no' to Michigan but 'yes' to f--king Georgia Tech?
When is it going to sink in to people that Michigan is either:
-not vetting, contacting, interviewing, offering candidates fast enough to fend off other programs
-vetting, contacting, interviewing, offering candidates at an admirable pace, but is being rejected at an equally admirable pace
?????
But no no, no need to be "hasty" in finding a candidate. After all, zero experience Ron English, failure Brady Hoke, and godawful failure [NAME REDACTED] are still available!
Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck.
@Chill
Les was my #1 Urban was my #2. Make the exception and let me be in both simultaneously.
@Tx-
I appreciate you trying to help me in the search, but I was out on my boat sailing at the time. Do you think you can call back? I have my new cell phone set up. That damn treo kept giving me problems so I switched to a blackberry. Everything should be in working order, so give me a call anytime!
I have a great mafia and *starts to cry* I... I won't do anything to hurt it.
@Blue Durham 3:34 post:
Great summary. Suspect actions from an "honorable" man...he was handing out golden parachutes to everyone on his staff to make sure they'd land safely after he bailed himself.
If the AD is as handcuffed to those contracts as they seem to be, it's no wonder we're having such a hard time finding another head coach.
In the case of Les, we'd need a buy-out payment not just for his contract but also those of Lloyd's staff.
Someone pass a collections plate of something.
and isn't WF the Indiana of the ACC?
imagine if tedford got Cal to the RB/OB. brian would have had a tedford Trapper Keeper instead of a Miles one.
I took a squat just a few minutes ago. Over in the corner. (Bathroom was too far away and some gangly looking college punk was eyeing my spot at the computer.)
Brian didn't claim to be wearing his journalism hat for this post. Therefore I don't expect objectivity. I agree however all this doom and gloom has been killing my chi.
Chillmodious (MtMM Commissar),
Don't forget the GVSU mafia. They were the "original gangstahs" here.
@Chill
Get the Keeler mafia out of there. Dan=Ryan - the family has one freaking member...
DanK,
The whole ACC is Indiana.
@Chill
No pimpin' - I said "girls" as "in the company of" or presence of.
@bleeding blue-
right. eye candy. nothing more.
True, Ben From SF. True. Point noted, respect duly conveyed.
Now, on Delaware & Keeler....this from Michiganagainsttheworld:
"Resist the easy comparison, people. This is not Jim Tressel, who created a 1-AA dynasty in the same talent rich state in which he later became de facto king.
Keeler has amassed a 52-25 record at Delaware. His Fighting Blue Hens could win their second national championship this weekend, if Armanti Edwards' drooling at the site of the winged helmet limits his effectiveness. Keeler has had 2 great seasons (15-1, 11-3 so far), a good season (9-4), and three forgettable seasons (6-6, 5-6, 6-5). He has no connections to Michigan or the midwest.
This is what Michigan has come to: a pair of MAC failures or a 1-AA coach with mixed results (though some of those results are admittedly fantastic). The best thing I can say about Keeler is that I can at least convince myself that he could be successful at Michigan. Thoughts like risk-taking offense and youth in the coaching ranks and movement away from staid Michigan cronyism and inbreeding and ability to take a team to the top, rebuild, and do it again can and will run through my head. I'll watch Firday's game and make all sorts of deductions as to how his game would translate to the Big Ten. By the time the season starts, I'll be firmly on the bandwagon.
Yup...this is where we're at now. I'm going to have to talk myself into whomever Sailboat Willie chooses to run this program. Nobody is going to jump out and have their creditials speak for themselves. It's going to take a sales pitch to rally any sort of enthusiasm for the eventual hire.
Talk about a fall from grace: from the #2 team in the country to the Nebraska 2.0 in just thirteen months."
@bleeding blue
I'm sure that's exactly how 95% of this board understood it too
@Chill
Get the Keeler mafia out of there. Dan=Ryan - the family has one freaking member...
R-Lew | 12.12.07 - 3:44 pm | #
Heck, I'll join now so it can have two members...
@Ryan,
Minus VT and you have a deal. Indiana could never be that overrated.
R-Lew,
The Keeler mafia has 2 separate members. But I agree, the Keeler Mafia shouldn't be represented. The Mangino Mafia should be.
as godfather, and namer... of the KG mafia, i welcome all new commers, there is no initiation, and you will not be hazed. but the penatly for defecting out.....well, you can imagine....
Check out Tebow's girlfriend on the MZONE. And they say you can't have it all.....
MSC: "Petrino? Isn't he the guy who brought all of those criminals like Miami rejects Willie Williams and Nate Harris to Louisville?"
BM: "Yes, and he doesn't know the first thing about beating to winward."
did the Mangino Mafia just eat the Keeler Mafia after that op-ed I posted from michiganagainsttheworld?
So second coming Don Rya is jumping ship already?
Does anyone know the training philosohpies here. I have a basic understanding (HIT style), but I just can't believe it's actually true. I hear the only free compound movement is benching.
my sentiments == michiganagainsttheworld.
He wears sun shades at night???
@ cfaller96
I understand Paul Johnson is only an example. But maybe Michigan didn't want him. There are a billion reasons Michigan might not be interested in a coach. Just because he's had success elsewhere doesn't mean he's primed for success at Michigan.
Petrino is reportedly a dick. Maybe Michigan wasn't interested.
Kelly is reportedly a dick. Maybe Michigan wasn't interested.
When players talk about Schembechler and Carr, they talk in reverential terms. I haven't followed Kelly's and Petrino's careers as closely, but I don't see them being the type of coaches to command that same sort of respect.
Again, this speaks nothing of Johnson. I know he was just an example. But there are people who know this field of work better than we do. Why not see who's actually hired before we pass judgment?
Nuf for today - gtg back to work. Did I say "back"? Hasta luego (that was for you formerlyanonymous).
No, I still think Keeler would be great. Keeler == better then Grobe.
Yin abi caath, bleeding blue
yeah, Tebow's girl has some big...um....lungs:
http://bp1.blogger.com/
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Alright, a quick analysis of Tedford vs. Grobe.
Wake Forest winning % the 10 years prior to Grobe: 0.33036
Wake Forest winning % after Grobe: 0.51389
Improvement: 0.18353
Cal winning % the 10 years prior to Tedford: 0.36283
Cal winning % after Tedford: 0.68254
Improvement: 0.31971
I'M STARTING THE TEDFORD MAFIA!!!
Cthulhu fhtagn.
Speak English, motherfuckers!
Anyone got a dollar?
@ Michiganagainsttheworld piece
He lacks the connections to the program Tressel had, true. But the reason OSU wanted those was because they'd just had 13 years of a guy who had no connections to Ohio or the program.
What he has done at Delaware and Rowan is astounding.
still, if the whole ACC is IU, then so is the B10. yet i don't see (the actual)IU getting to the RB/OB. plus, is the P10 that much better than the ACC?
look, Miles was no slam dunk (tho, pretty close, honestly). and Grobe is no flunky/dolt. the one thing i'd ask about Grobe is, why is he only at WF at the age of 55ish? if he is truely so well regarded among the 'football elite,' where was he 10 years ago that no bigger programs hired or at least considered him?
But no no, no need to be "hasty" in finding a candidate. After all, zero experience Ron English, failure Brady Hoke, and godawful failure [NAME REDACTED] are still available!
Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck.
- cfaller96
And you know what, these 3 stooges are still going to be available in February after all of the head coaching positions and coordinator positions at all of the other schools have been filled - BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS THEM!
00goblue00,
In your expert opinion (since I don't have boobs), are Tebow's girlfriend(s) fake?
Fake looking lungs, IMO.
maybe this is just commonplace, but the worst thing about the whole search is not knowing what, if anything, is even being done or considered. of course, the media throws out names of "candidates" but are they actually being looked at?
at this point, Tedford really seems like a guy that would be a good fit... but do we even know for sure he's even on the radar screen???
i'm not thrilled about the idea of seeking a Wake Forrest coach who is clearly old.
seems to me that the search committee oughta just take a stab at 1 or 2 more bigger name guys like Tedford or Sarkisian, if that doesn't happen, just name English the interim coach and move on for now.
"What he has done at Delaware and Rowan is astounding.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:53 pm | # "
^^What I did in the bathroom last night after eating a cheesy gordita crunch was also astounding...do I get to be the next UofM coach?
And you know what, these 3 stooges are still going to be available in February after all of the head coaching positions and coordinator positions at all of the other schools have been filled - BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS THEM!
Blue Durham | 12.12.07 - 3:54 pm | #
^^^I am calling the Big Ten Network right now, trumping their candidacies.
Why is UM not looking at Ron Vanderlinden, he coached at UM in the 80's was a head coach at UMD, and is current PSU linebacker coach and best recruiter.
Just a thought, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ron...on_Vanderlinden
Probably not best choice but better than current options.
if michigan doesnt have a coach by Jan 7th, isnt it obvious that miles has already said yes and is in fact taking over? he's just waiting for the $800,000 to come in for blowing out OSU....
if i was planning on leaving, id take a shot at the chance for $800,000 too and then leave.
Are the rumblings I've heard true?
Is MSC seriously pushing for us to appoint the first female CF HC?
I'll believe anything at this point.
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@Ben
Is the pope catholic?
Clearly she was one of the many girls following the craze of having breast enhancement as a grad gift.
OK, wasn't gonna do this, but... I'll take the damn coach job. I am in Bill Martin's pay range. I just need a warm place to dump and a regular supply of fortified wine. Or malt liquor. Or cough syrup. Anyway, something to keep the chill out and the pink elephants in. Hire me, Martin, ya bastard.
I think you can be a dick, win a lot and still be revered. Those guys you mentioned have done so, as well as Spurrier, Meyer, and so on.
Johnny Sideburns -
And who do you think was leaking rumors about his health and retirement. Hell, ABC was asking amongst themselves in the booth during a game a few years ago, does Carr look okay? Like that was damn out of the blue question?
Martin may be entirely incompetent in this process...but when it comes to rumors and leaks, Carr, is not responsible.
"if michigan doesnt have a coach by Jan 7th, isnt it obvious that miles has already said yes and is in fact taking over? he's just waiting for the $800,000 to come in for blowing out OSU....
if i was planning on leaving, id take a shot at the chance for $800,000 too and then leave.
billmartinismyidol | 12.12.07 - 3:55 pm | # "
And with that, the MtMM has another member. Welcome home.
Chill,
Only if you have a bachelors degree and are willing to work weekends.
I'M STARTING THE TEDFORD MAFIA!!!
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 3:52 pm | #
Add me to the Tedford list. The man has achieved a lot in a short period of time at Cal.
and so the Chunks the Hobo as HC mafia begins...
Alright, now the TedM has 2 members. Who's with us? You're either with us or against us, so choose wisely.
00goblue00,
You never answered the question of your opinion on Tebow's girlfriend's breasts lol
I'm against. "Tedford" ... what a gay name. I bet the sumbitch eats oatmeal and bathes in lavender oil.
"Add me to the Tedford list. The man has achieved a lot in a short period of time at Cal.
Ben from SF | 12.12.07 - 3:56 pm | # "
He achieved a 6-6 record with an early-season Heisman candidate on the roster and a No. 2 overall ranking at one point. He lost to Harbaugh too. Know where I'm going with this.....
@ Ryan
ya I did. I said..."Is the pope catholic?" Which clearly means yes. If you can't tell those are fake then. No body has real boobs that are that round and perky and big even at 20 something.
To clarify: I'm in favor of breasts.
At least he bathes, Chunks, at least he bathes.
http://www.bclions.com/index.php...play&
staff_id=1
Buono Mafia. We need a leader. One of the top CFL coaches of all time.
"00goblue00,
You never answered the question of your opinion on Tebow's girlfriend's breasts lol
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:58 pm | # "
Yes she did. The pope is catholic, remember?
\yeah, Tebow's girl has some big...um....lungs://
That is why he needs to/is able to bench press 450 pounds.
OK, I bet he DOUCHES with lavender oil.
Damn West Coast hippies.
@Chillmodius
I'm willing to overlook a fluke year given his accomplishments. Plus he's got hippies all around, that's got to be distracting.
00goblue00,
I did not see that, I apologize.
No body has real boobs that are that round and perky and big even at 20 something.
Charlie Weis might disagree. so i've heard...
@ Aaron L.
You can be a dick and be revered. I'm sure of it.
But you can also be a dick and have everyone hate you. I think Urban Meyer seems like an asshole, but I can also see where he could inspire confidence in his players.
Petrino and Kelly seem proficient in X's and O's but not interpersonal relations.
Ken
Or maybe we have interviewed a number of candidates, and want to interview more before dangling offers out there.
Or maybe our #1 candidate has been too busy for an interview, and we don't want to offer jobs until we talk to him first.
Or maybe we're negotiating with several coaches and their agents about salaries and conditions, and we won't make a decision until we get some ballpark indications about how much they'll cost.
Ken. Jesus effing God. What. the. Fuck...?
Do you have any plausible candidates that might fit into any of those scenarios you just laid out? I'd love to hear about them, but be realistic- Stoops, Meyers, and Tressel ain't coming, Ken. Just who the fuck could possibly fit into these hypotheticals? Here, I'll summarize your scenarios:
1. We've interviewed plenty of people, and they're all interested, but we want to try out MORE flavors?!?
2. We have a #1 guy, and he's interested...so interested that we can't get him on the f--king phone to do an interview? Or to even hear our offer?!?
3. We've got many interested candidates, but we're spending days and weeks trying to figure out who the lowest-cost bidder is?!?
And in all of these scenarios, somehow we've managed to keep all of these interviewees quiet, and kept the media in the dark...?!?
...
Ken. My God. Without any real people attached to these scenarios, you may as well just suggest a Stoops or a Meyer. These aren't Pollyana scenarios, these are delusional.
Ken, come back. The real world is sometimes scary and painful, but you're at least living in, you know, the real world. In that way it has an advantage over a fantasyland.
And if you don't want to do that Ken, well, then I'm sure they'll find those WMDs in Iraq aaaaaaaannny day now...
Charlie Weis douches with bacon greases.
Larry Coker anyone? National Champion, some would argue he beat ohio state, and he would continue to perpetuate the culture. Not ideal, but he is vince lombardi compared to hoke/debord.
Miles will be the head coach at Michigan.
All of us down here in SEC country already know it. LSU and U of M are working together so that the Tigers save face, Miles can get tarred and feathered and never coach in the SEC again, and everyone is happy.
I mean think about it - LSU will have lost Fisher, Pellini, and Miles in less than a year - that is huge down here - we don't really have anything else to focus on other than recruiting.
Besides, most LSU folks are livid (yeah, I know that's a big adjective for all of us down here) about the losses to UK and Argh-Kansas.
So hey, be good and swing easy.
"Are the rumblings I've heard true?
Is MSC seriously pushing for us to appoint the first female CF HC?
I'll believe anything at this point."
JDNorway | 12.12.07 - 3:55 pm
Yes, sadly it is true, offense coordinator Michelle DeBord is still a candidate for the Michigan head coaching position.
ok all, I need to take my lunch break because I've been sitting at my desk since 9:30 and have been away from the comments thread for a grand total of 14 minutes. I'm worse than Ron Livingston in Office Space...at least he did 30 minutes of actual work. I'm at zero.
See you all in an hourish...
00goblue00: hold the fort.
:-)
[that smiley face is just for you]
Larry Coker is Vince Lombardi with a much better fist pump and better ears. He would be a class coach for a class program and would clearly get our program back to where it needs to be- In Championships, not in Rose Bowls!
Hoe many members are in each mafia? We should have identify our mafia in our sig.
It's time to start looking at Butch Davis or Jason Garrett, Dallas OC.
Michigan 1st to have an opening, last to fill. UCLA will have a coach before we do.
DK,
becasue grobe has decided to stay at wake, he has had numerous job offereings, he was a name in the notre dame search, he was offered the alabama and ark job in the past several seasons.... he doesnt move unless its for the better...
TedM has got 2 members thus far...looking for more!!
Another Larry Coker Fan! I like it. He really should get consideration. We can get him on the cheap and use some money for good coordinators who can take the job over after Larry retires. Go Larry!
ok all, I need to take my lunch break because I've been sitting at my desk since 9:30 and have been away from the comments thread for a grand total of 14 minutes. I'm worse than Ron Livingston in Office Space...at least he did 30 minutes of actual work. I'm at zero.
See you all in an hourish...
00goblue00: hold the fort.
:-)
[that smiley face is just for you]
There's a line around the block in the Blow Chunks Mafia. Wait your turn, a-holes.
Keeler mafia has 3 members
ok, gsimmons, but are bama and ND that much worse than WF? i mean, we all like bashing ND, but they take academics & image as seriously as M does. you're saying he likes WF that much more than anywhere else?
So, y'all want to get some BBQ for lunch or what?
I think Larry Coker is clearly the way to go. He has midwest connections and a championship ring. He helped clean up Miami's program and recruited with tough academic restrictions (numerous kids were not admitted to Miami but were admitted to other programs- Ali Highsmith for one). Any other Larry lovers out there?
@Chill
Will do. :)
Bobby Petrino abandoned his team midway through the season. He is a quitter and a slimeball and Michigan was wise to stay away from him. Grobe though? No thanks, I'll take English before Grobe - assuming LC takes a backseat, lets English run the team and FIRES GITTLESON (unless Git has really retired).
Bama Mesko, you buyin'?
i'm the sole consistent member of the Urban Mafia. others kind of sign up, eat the appetizers and then leave.
im saying, he likes wf..... thats all im saying, you asked why he is still there....
does he like michigan more? idk... hopefully he will get an offer and we will know...
What kind of bbq, Bama Mesko?
@Magnus
I understand Paul Johnson is only an example. But maybe Michigan didn't want him.
Magnus, tell me that you believe Michigan "looked" at him before GT got him. Then tell me that there isn't a "race" aspect to this.
I feel very safe in betting that Paul Johnson wasn't even considered before GT got him. Disagree if you must, but say it loud and clear, verbatim:
"Michigan considered and rejected Paul Johnson from further consideration before Georgia Tech offered and Johnson accepted."
Go ahead and put your name next to that statement, and we'll just agree to disagree.
But if you don't truly believe that, then how can you really believe there isn't any "need for speed" here? Maybe Paul Johnson wasn't the right fit, but we'll never know, will we? Because we were too slow!
@ formerlyanonymous,
Will Buono know not to punt on 3rd down?
Hey man, Wake Forrest is a private school so they have more um lattitude. Besides, have y'all ever been to Winston-Salem? And hey - they are expanding their stadium and facilities. So, all in all, it's all good as far as I'm concerned.
they leave when they realize that nothing there BUT the appetizers.
I ate the appetizers and pissed in the punch bowl. Ha ha!
slack, do you have a reason for saying no to grobe?
Chunks rocks.
@cfaller96
No need to be insulting. Can't someone disagree with you without being accused of being delusional? I guess it's too much to expect a civilized conversation in a blog comment thread.
I'm just trying to point out that the vast majority of us here don't know shit about what a head coaching search actually entails. I find it entirely plausible that the MSC and the AD are being torn by different wealthy donor factions that are complicating the process. I find it entirely plausible that Martin might call someone and say "hey, we want to interview you", and for the guy to come back with "I'm busy with stuff until December 13th, can I talk to you then?" I find it entirely plausible that Tedford or Rich-Rod or Leavitt or Mendenhall are still in the mix. I find it entirely possible that a private phone conversation between Martin and some school's head coach just MIGHT not reach the ears of a bunch of bloggers and forum-posters. I find it entirely plausible that maybe, just maybe, that things are not as black and white as everyone seems to think they are.
bama, i live here, so yes i have seen wf a time or two, plus i take grad classes there every other summer....
What happened to all the "insiders?" Legit or not, I like to at least pretend I'm getting inside info. Better than knowing that I'm ignorant.
Allright cap'n - Paradise Barbeque Birmingham AL. We can stare at the autographed picture of Bear Bryant and over ribs, sweet tea, and corn bread.
No thoughts on good ole Larry?
I know I'm late to the discussion (again) but in my mind Petrino is not an option but in a different way than Dehokentz in not a option.
Petrino is too slimy and there are still too many coaches out there who can deliver us to some bowl wins and beating OSU half the time including English. However landing one is still the fly in the ointment.
\So, y'all want to get some BBQ for lunch or what?//
Dreamland, baby!!!
Ryan-
i'd like to officially join the Keeler mafia...
I am all over the Larry bandwagon. Kelly, leavitt, those are good coaches, I would be happy. However Coker should be up there. Count me in GoBlue1
they leave when they realize that nothing there BUT the appetizers.
well, then what do the unicorns and oompa-loompas stay for? b/c i seem them ALL the time.
Come on, if Keeler beats Appy State,then he has to come here. How great would that press conference be? The old coach couldn't beat Appalachian State, so we went out and found one that can and did.
And he lost 2 games, didn't blow anyone out in 2 months, and had to sneak into the NC game.
He's a shitty coach because he snuck into the national championship game? I wish we had a shitty coach who could do that. And win 36 games over a three-year period.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. We have anoter one for LARRRRY! Thank you Wolverine77. Maybe we can place a call and see if we cant just get it done.
See gsimmons gets it. WF is cool-breeze man. Good school, nice area, good relationship with the community. You win some games, you lose some games and the next thing you know it's hoops season and everyone's focus is elsewhere.
Chunks is picking up what i'm putting down.
I'm in for 100 bucks for Coker. I'm a student, cant go any higher.
@Gnarls
Thank you! Already tried though. It doesn't matter.
I heartily endorse Bill Martin to contact our strong internal candidate JayPa and make an offer on the spot.
Coker? Didn't he derail Miami after Butch Davis had rebuilt it into a power?
not really sure what bama is saying...
but if he wants grobe to come to michigan than i like what he's saying....
Johnny Sideburns - it's grub time cap!
@Ken
See you in a couple weeks, when we're left to discuss the merits and prospects of the English/Hoke/[NAME REDACTED] era, and Grobe/Tedford/whoever were hired by UCLA/whoever, or they just rejected Michigan.
Then you can explain to me that there really was nothing wrong with the coaching search, and it went just fine. And we really didn't want Grobe/Tedford/whoever, and that's why we didn't get them, and English/Hoke/[NAME REDACTED] is waaaay cooler than an outside hire. Keep smoking it, buddy...
Ugh, I'm sick just thinking about how many people are going to contort themselves into thinking/explaining that English/Hoke/[NAME REDACTED] really was the best hire after all.
Nothing's ever wrong with Michigan...because we're Michigan!
Sign me up for the Keeler mafia.
I'm reluctantly turning in my Miles card.
I've definitely got some money sitting away in my rainy day fund for Larry, and for him, I would be willing to give it all. Not so often are you able to get the perfect coach at the perfect time. I think Larry and UofM are a match made in heaven!
@Golden
Since I am holding down the fort until Chill returns for the MtMM...I will speak on his behalf. "You are going to be sorry that you turned in your card come next month"
The only thing that's wrong is that Michigan fans have an inflated sense of their place in college football. Why is Schiano insane to turn down the job? Sure, there's the Penn State thing (and your little dig at them there exemplifies everything that people despise about Michigan fans).
But, maybe, gasp, Schiano likes being at Rutgers. Maybe he wants to build it into something bigger.
All are welcome in the Keeler mafia.
So many rumors. Need to either have a lot of faith, or a lot of liquor.
All I got for y'all is an open-invite for lunch and a theory that if I had to choose between Head Ball Coach at Wake or Head Ball Coach at Michigan - I'd choose Wake. And that's tough especially since - wait for it:
I am a Michigan Man! I'm 40! Write about Me!
Gary Crowton is currently the OC at LSU. I think he deserves a look.
Gnarls- No Coker didn't derail Miami. He won two championships in a row and had the highest career win percentage for a coach at some time. He had some bad luck as far as recruiting QB's (they were scared to play behind #1 recruit Kyle Wright, if they only knew) that led to his downfall. He also had a lot of coaching changes, mainly because they were so successful they went on to other jobs (Chudzinski and Johnson coaching in the NFL, Stoops at Arizona, etc.).
Keeler update:
http://www.delawareonline.com/ap...ORTS20/
71212036
And... may I join his mafia???
Additionally on Coker, if he keeps Loefler we could still recruit QB's, overcoming his one fault.
I like what he says at the end about immortality!
Watched "The Devil Wears Prada" last night to get my mind off this insanity. And then the whole manuevering by Meryl Streep's character Miranda to keep her job brought me right back. How about we get rid of SBM and have "Miranda" do our search.....
Grobe is 19-7 the past two years (his seven year record at the school is 37-35).
2-0 against Florida State during that time, including the 30-0 in 2006 sounding the death knell of FSU ACC dominance.
1-1 against Boston College.
2-0 over Duke but barely both times (41-36 and 14-13).
0-2 against Clemson including a 10-44 beatdown this year.
8-2 in games decided by a touchdown or less.
3-3 this year against Bowl-bound teams.
Did not play Virginia Tech this year (lost 27-6 last year during Wake's ACC Championship run).
Has placed 8 players in the NFL since he started as head coach.
Made Wake Forest a player, although a marginal one, in a semi-weak ACC conference.
Evolution Takes Time.
Mich AD went into this process with a very bad conceptual map on how this coaching search plays out (LC announcding retirement early is "good" for recruiting, play by the Marquis de Queensbury rules, publicy contacting/interviewing name coaches before their season is done, etc.)
Learning is painful but it is occurring. Now what's going on is hidden and nothing of substance will be done with anyone (pro or college) until their season (including playoffs/bowl games) is finished.
By early-to-mid January we'll have a good-to-very-good coach on board. Since LC was universally regarded as a great recruiter but a lousy Xs and Os/player development coach, but still averaged 9-3 over his tenure, aren't we saying that the next guy, even if he's a merely a "good" coach, will average 10-2?
// Asked if Michigan had asked for permission to speak to Keeler, Delaware athletic director Edgar Johnson said “I don’t have any comment." //
No comment? Two days before your NC game? You can almost see the flames through that smoke!!
Wolverine- Good point on Loeffler- As far as other positions, Coker coached Barry Sanders, Portis, McGahee, etc. Guy can clearly recruit rb's. And he is an offensive mind, something we are sorely in need of. Two thumbs up for COKER!
@ makin it here
I'm down for that. Miranda was a sneaky and got what she want
Keeler mafia is gaining strength! I'm excited about the prospect of Keeler.
Not to sound like an insider, but I do know the Petrino family to a certain extent. I am from Montana andn was coached by a few of his cousins, nephews, etc. throughout my life and they are all genuinely nice people. He however is an arrogant ass with an ego that clouds his judgment and perspective. He went for two or a TD against Kentucky with :02 left in his first or second year at Louisville, just to rub it in. Everyone I know who knows him personally, loves his family, is proud of his success but thinks he's a dick. Michigan is better off without him. I think he's Saban but not as good a coach.
Coker won one national championship, not two -- with all of Butch Davis' players mind you. He's 59. Moreover, I'm not sure what "tough academic restrictions" you're talking about at Miami. Gimme a break.
No, I can't read through all these posts....but what concerns me is the whole "Bo philosophy" with regard to Michigan's approach to football, and what concerns me more is the apparent efforts being made to perpetuate it.
Back when Bo was coaching, UM had access to a greater number of scholarships, and like the major programs of the 60's-80's, could sequester enough talent to dominate. Back then, our rock COULD beat anybody's rock (except OSU about 50% of the time, and the Pac-10 about 100% of the time, what with all that West Coast paper).
Moeller (to a lesser extent) and Carr (to a much greater extent) continued the Rock of Bo approach to football, but now with scholarship parity, spread offense parity, etc., it just doesn't cut it anymore. Michigan has supposedly had excellent recruiting classes the past decade, but other than '97 (when the planets, moons and stars lined up with the monolith) the on the field results disappointed.
The scary thing is if the AD and the administration thinks we should continue "more of the same," we will see a continued erosion from 9-3/8-4 to 6-6/5-7 as the best recruits go elsewhere and other teams continue to progress. UM was great during certain eras (1900's, 1940's, 1970-2000's) but also had eras of mediocrity (1950-1960's) where "Michigan Men" tended the program and it fell into disarray. Unfortunately, this could be a watershed point in UM's history if a poor coaching hire is made, and we will wait maybe decades before things turnaround, if at all- we could end up being Minnesota....
The last thing we need is more Lloyd, or a coach in that mold. At this point I don't care who the specific coach is (and please, no more Miles rumors- I can't take it anymore!), but we need a fresh and innovative direction to the program.
I was out for a bit, but I have to pass this along. Read this resume. Talk about a Michigan Man!
http://www.media.wayne.edu/relea...ase.php?
id=2717
Speaking of Barry Sanders, why not Wayne Fontes? Has he been contacted?
RASPUTIN!
imo tebow's woman had real tits (not that i care, cause id love to suck on em regardless), but they kinda r comin out the sides of that top, a little sloppy for fakes. again, let me reiterate, id love to suck on em !!!!!!!!!
Grobe would be fantastic at Michigan. Watching his team the last couple of years has been a lot of fun. I love his offense. He attacks defenses from everywhere. I think it would be a great fit here with our current and incoming personnel. I'm sure McGuffie would flourish as a wing/slot early if he wasn't the featured back as many have theorized. I think his QBs have been slightly mobile, but certainly not of the Tebow/Dixon/Edwards variety. Mallet could flourish. I would be quite satisfied with Grobe.
I think I'm ready to kill myself.....
"I'm ready for Ron English"....
"If he keeps Scott Loefler"....
For God's sakes, this search has made us all crazy.
Lud- As Michigan fans, I am sure we can both agree that Coker really won 2 championships. As far as the academic restrictions, they have higher standards for admission than the NCAA minimum standards. It takes more than just an NCAA qualifying score to get into Miami, which is why numerous players such as Ali Highsmith, Kellen Heard, etc. have committed yet have chosen to go other places rather than retake the test and try the following year (a la Devin Hester).
Come on y'all.
Coker? Keeler? Hoke? Tedford?
This is Michigan - not EMU!
My point is this - there are powerful friends of the university who have waited a long time for this opportunity.
These friends are doing all sorts of behind the scene type things to get this taken care of.
This is s.o.p. down here - welcome to the party. The only thing is that one would think that Michigan is above this behavior.
No worries. I'm willing to wager that we will all smile and wonder why we got so worked up when this is done.
In the meanwhile - I am hungry.
Y'all be good and treat each other nice-like.
Probably been posted, but...
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...TS06&
theme=CARR
Rosenberg makes a pretty good case for a search firm. At this point, why wouldn't Michigan hire a firm? The search thus far has resulted in rejections that might have been avoided if some descreet channels had been used to vet out candidate interest.
At this point, using a firm would probably be too embarrassing...an admission that they can't handle it. Not likely.
why wont they call me ?????
brian kelly no doubt
Keeler, the Sweater Vest Killer!!!
Fuck the mafia, the astros just traded for tejada. im good for a couple days.
como-te-yeeaaaaaaa- haaaaaaaa
What's Keeler's record vs. whoever replaced the Vest at Youngstown?
slawolverine......did i hear you say it would be embarrassing to hire a search firm, god we wouldnt want to be embarrassed ?????
Is it just me or do the rest of you think that Keeler looks like he should be a Sports Agent or a used car salesman in this picture.
http://www.udel.edu/sportsinfo/f...taff/
index.html
GO BLUE!
@ Ryan,
Last time they played I think was http://www.udel.edu/sportsinfo/f...ry-
youngst.html
before tressel's time. Could be mistaken.
Lane,
I mean it would be embarrassing for BM and co. I know they have been embarrassed already, but to hire a firm would be to admit that they don't know what they are doing. To date, despite the embarrassment, they sure haven't admitted that. Quite the contrary. "The process is working" and such.
cfaller,
Man, you're painting people into corners that they're not in. Ken wasn't saying everything is fine, and that there are no problems at M. He was just saying - as I've been saying too - that we don't know what's happening behind closed doors.
Follow the money! Big donors, need to sell lux boxes long term. Plus cover debt for other renovations. I-AA or MAC or Wake Forest don't do that for the money guys.
Really seems that Mich is working its way up its list rather than down, kind of ease into this, no hurry, and make sure they don't by-pass some wunderkind.
But if you follow the money, and where Mich will be in a week's time, they is one guy who will sell those lux boxes, from the Midwest and according to Lloyd: "Does things the right way."
Plus there is some rumbling that he doesn't get along with his current AD.
Look for a big move on or just after 1/1/08.
theres just no news today, not even any hot rumors......im goint to look at tebows gf
"we don't know what's happening behind closed doors."
Perhaps they are playing scrabble or monopoly.
Thanks for the clarification on the second title. I just don't see other than '01 and '02 how he even justifies a look. Those two Miami teams had possibly more NFL talent on them than any team in recent memory. The backfield alone at one time -- on the roster -- was Portis, Mcgahee, Davenport, and Frank Gore. I mean are you kidding me. Oh yeah, and Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, Roscoe Parrish, Vince Wilfork, Antrel Rolle, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Johnathan Vilma, Bryant McKinnie,and Andre Johnson.
For real. I could've coached that team.
What happened to my mafia?
Mom? You still there?
Keeler never coached against Y-Town, crap.
Just to clarify, if a firm was hired to help with the search , one of the FIRST criteria would be absolute secrecy about its use, i.e we would never know a firm was used. Any top class firm would guarantee that.
yea, i can't find another UD YSU game (that was me with the link earlier)
I searched through the records, it looks like they played in 95 97 and 98, then once in 79 and 80something.
loopy...is that some kind of riddle or would you like to enlighten us
loopy, I'd LOVE Urban Meyer. Yeah the guy is a dick, but he isn't a cheater, and his grad rates at UFL are outstanding (80%). Problem is, I just don't see it happening. But you never know unless you call. Or hire a search firm to find out discretely.
I will say that Meyer has NEVER denied interest in the job. In fact, he's gone on Rome and praised it as an "elite" job. He as shown interest.
Funny, here's the perfect guy who has shown interest, but somehow we assume he would never leave Florida. Instead we seem to want less-perfect candidates who seem to want to stay where they are.
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THERE IS A REASON FOR AL THIS NONSENSE AND CONFUSION
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It is the fact that y'all simply refuse to have 100% faith in my knowledge
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Sarkisian will the next Michigan HC
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in 4 more days
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Yes
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Its a DONE deal
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btw loopy......WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOYD THINKS !!!!
"Those two Miami teams had possibly more NFL talent on them than any team in recent memory."
What you mean is that their success may have had a lot to do with the talent in that state? I don't disagree with that. LSU's success is directly related to high school talent. Alabama and Georgia's monster recruiting classes this year are largely made up of in-state talent. But all of these programs also have good and expensive coaching. Coker was a good coach.
finally...thanks for the update...
xyz@umich,
That would be the goal. Except that it was widely known that Nebraska was using a search firm and that it had contacted Pellino. It still comes out, but at least the contacts are generally more discrete.
oh...god....
74 79(twice) 80 81 95 98 nope
Sorry honey. I like Cedar Rapids much better than Scio Township.
@ "The Knowledge"
Care to go double or nothing on what's in my report?
Everybody Hop on the Coker Bandwagon! Let's do it.
And Urban Meyer will not be leaving Florida any time soon, unless someone offers him the presidency of the United States. Any move right now for him would be a step down.
loopy's referring to Urban
It takes a coach like Coker to keep all of those athletes in check and playing together. He is a guy who knows how to keep a team together, knows how to recruit, and will be a great representative for our university. Hiring a coach like Coker will allow Michigan to end the embarrassment that this process has become and hire good assistants to groom so next time we dont have this problem. LET'S GO LARRY!
R-Lew, what update?
Is there a new post? I don't see one.
can we PLEASE not mention meyer here! Just please stop it.
no new post..the sarkasian shit from "the knowledge"
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Dennis Connor, former America's Cup winning skipper, named new Michigan head coach by Sailboat Bill Martin.
@ ryan -- earlier comment was in ref to the latest blast by the Sarkisian mafia.
are people serious about coker?
that guy was an epic disaster
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I am THE KNOWLEDGE and I know it all
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Coker eventually lost control of his team and all, but he was good until then.
bsb,
I live near Miami and people were happy as hell to get rid of him here. After the NC, his team slowly went downhill to the place where it is today. If Coker is so great, how come he isn't being mentioned as HC anywhere else? I'd probably take Cam Cameron before Coker.
Sarkisian is nowhere near the level of Keeler.
if you knew it all you would have been here posting about the Miles conversations from friday, the schiano offer, the ferentz stuff etc. Not just "Sarkasian in T minus 4 days."
Umm...if we are mentioning Keeler, why not the App State coach? He just beat Michigan. Or take a look at whoever wins DII. Just saying.
S FLA: I was talking about The Knowledge update. We were way overdue for one.
So xyz is apparently telling us to not let the Meyer talk build so it gets to the MSM?
xyz, it'd be nice, but after all we've been through, I have to say there's just no reason to really believe you're on the inside.
Throw us a few bones to build confidence, then we'll see.
I'm coming to Michigan alright. To steal what little talent you have in that icebox.
guess who's back?
so pathetic.
People were bashing Larry Coker at the end of his time in Miami, but after watching them this year, it clearly was not coaching that was the problem. Coker has been mentioned for numerous other openings but is clearly just waiting for the right opportunity at his age. He would be the perfect guy to bring in for 5 years.
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STOP using my handle, you moron
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I don't have the time or patience to wade through all 500 comments, so here:
I don't know much of anything about Grobe beyond the fact that he's the HC at Wake (lineage, style of play, etc.) I know I could use Profile in Heroism on him. He seems like a the type of safe hire that they're looking for (one that could work, might get them off the hook)
I don't understand the criticism of some on the board about Les Miles. Even if he wasn't your first choice, to call him a shitty coach is without basis. He's won wherever he went, excellent recruiter, blah blah blah.
Finally, where does the stuff about Urban Meyer being a dick come from? Because he campaigned for his team to get into the championship game last year? So what? And regardless of what Lloyd said last year, he really didn't rip Michigan. He just said why his team should be there over us.
That said, he's not going to come here, so it's probably not worth pining for.
It is no riddle, follow the money. Big donors (and Martin is courting them) are the backbone of the stadium renovation. They need to give and/or commit to lux boxes. Otherwise none of that stuff they are doing will pay off.
Do you think some well heeled donor is going to cough-up big bucks for a I-AA or warmed over MAC guy. Or even the "next great one." Not likely. They got rich not doing dumb things. Martin needs to make a convincing hire. And, he has and will have plenty of loot to do it with.
Urban Meyer is not beyond reach. Mich could easily offer $3-3.8 million for the HC job, and $2.3-2.8 million for staff. And, it is persistent rumor that Meyer and his AD don't get along.
If he came, those boxes would sell. Ticket waiting lists would skyrocket (meaning ticket prices and seat licenses would/could rise), licensing would take off again. And the Regents and big $$ alums would feel more confident of their $230 million investment in the football program.
Chill,
Since you've been gone, the Keeler mafia has grown in size. Due mainly to the drugs trade. The MtMM are embroiled in a war over the KGM's murder of Chunks the Hobo.
BREAKING NEWS!
Coleman and Martin have sought outside assistance in the coaching search.
They bought a Magic 8 Ball at Meijer after lunch!
I enjoy how testy The Knowledge gets when people question him or "steal his handle." Hilarious.
Knowing what I already know that you think I don't know makes me in the know and you in the not know.
I like to eat froot loops in the bath with my toaster in one hand and my p*ick in the other hand while smiling and watching Brad Pitt on televsion talking about funny things.
I love sclicings of all kind including feces slicings slicings.
Also, I am completely full of shit, so there are plenty of slcings to be had.
calahan,
trust me grobe would be an excellent hire for michigan.... despite what people who dont know anything about coaching or football have to say about it.....
if you just look at wins and losses, then why dont we just have all the coaches turn in their career marks, and make are way down the list...
I've got $20.00 that I will put in the pool to hire Kelly or Coker. If we can just get a million more like me, we can close the deals for sure.
Sorry I left junior unattended to play on the internets. My bad. Sorry for the intrusion.
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You just wait and watch
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4 days for Sark in Ann Arbor
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Debord will be gone
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The one thing that was not clear was if RE will continue
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Latest confirmation is that RE will continue as DC
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Git is gone - thank the Lord
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This search is going to drive me to insanity, I can't take it.
"Chill,
Since you've been gone, the Keeler mafia has grown in size. Due mainly to the drugs trade. The MtMM are embroiled in a war over the KGM's murder of Chunks the Hobo.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 5:01 pm | # "
Thank you for the update. The MtMM will be issuing an official release within the hour to establish the "Chunks the Hobo Endowment." Our condolences to the entire Hobo family.
KGM, has no knoweldge of the said death....
4 days would be a Sunday. No way they announce this on a Sunday. There is the first flaw in your rumor.
So how's the coaching search going losers?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Damn, I just checked out Tebow's g-friend. Let's hire her. We could get the chimp to do any actual coaching during games and she can jump up and down and yell for the team to try harder. No wonder Tebow does what he does. She probably rewards good play and "punishes" bad play.
Loopy,
I'm certain we could afford Urban Meyer, but it's quite clear that Martin is determined to hire a coach for less than market rate for an established coach like Meyer (or even Miles. I mean, if Miles wasn't True Blue, would he have even talked to us at all once he knew the pay?) If Martin is insisting upon paying what the rumored amounts are, we really can't expect to land anyone of the quality of a Meyer.
Thank God, I thought I was the only one going crazy because we were talking about L. Coker
I like to blow Chunks the Hobo.
@00goblue00
Why? Because someone needs to go to the Church?
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@ gsimm:
You have sold me on Grobe, i'm in your corner sir.
"4 days would be a Sunday. No way they announce this on a Sunday. There is the first flaw in your rumor.
00goblue00 | 12.12.07 - 5:07 pm | # "
In defense of THE KNOWLEDGE (though unimportant because the MtMM will ultimately triumph), R-Kansas didn't have a problem holding a Pig-Suey Presser at 11:30 PM local time on a Tuesday. Just saying.
"yeah, Tebow's girl has some big...um....lungs:"
if you mean that she has huge plastic bags full of some sort of goopy stuff surgically inserted inside her original mammary tissue, you're correct.
Hopefully, the lack of "available" candidates will convince BM that he needs to open the checkbook as big as it will go.
That's not Tebow's girl, but she does go to UF, she is dating some other loser
I'm Urban Meyer, do I want to walk away from TIM Freaking TEBOW?
Warm weather?
Fast Athletes?
Low academic standards?
Built in excuse for losing games.
Bikini clad coeds cavorting?
Grobe?
Ok. WTF. He's better than Debord.
Peterson?
Ok. WTF. Be fun to watch the offense.
Pinkle?
He can't beat Oklahomo. We can't beat OSU.
Chuck Martin?
Ok. WTF? He wins Big games.
Delaware Guy?
Try selling tht one to the boosters.
Brian Kelly?
Ok. Seems tainted for some reason. Fock, people get beat to death. Get over it already. Not.
Tedford?
See Pinkle.
Stoops/Spurrier?Carrol?
Ok. You'll need assault rifles to get them to come here.
Lloyd could have announced his retirement on that Sunday. Instead he waited one more day til Monday. I doubt they would announce anything on a Sunday. Especially since Sarkasian isn't coming so whatever.
sweet meeech....
i hope it comes true....
MIles?
Ok. WTF?
Debord/Englash?
None of us are realistically entertaining these two. Bizarroworld factor of 8.5
Toledo Guy?
Ok. WTF?
Ferentz?
Ok. WTF? Doesn't want to come.
Sarkasian?
Ok. WTF?
Sean Payton?
No chance.
Does that about sum it up?
Alright so we've got 3 for Coker now! Anyone else need convincing? Fire away any doubts you may have on Larry Legend.
Look at the M&M's I just found on EDSBS:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2...d8741fc.jpg?
v=0
Jerry Moore (Appy St): age 68
KC Keeler (UD): age 47
'nuff said
If my dick wasn't so small, I'd blow myself.
Wow. WDFN is reporting Michigan's interest and contact with Delaware's coach. No bullshit.
Um, OK, THE KNOWLEDGE,
So this has been planned out all along, right? The whole search is a cover for the fact that BM wants to hire Sarkasian, or whatever his name is.
Well, if this is soooo well planned out, why would you have a press conference on a Sunday when everyone is busy talking about and watching NFL games? They can make it ANY day of the week they want. Why Sunday?
Also, what if any of the previous candidates had accepted the offers on the table? Seems like a dangerous game of chicken to me.
We will continue to see smokescreens until the last moment before our new HC is announced.
Keeler would be A LOT easier to sell than Hoke/Debord/Grobe and at this point probably even Miles.
Chillmodious (MtMM Commissar) ,
Holy shit. He's fatter than the Orange!
Can we stop the "won with (Insert previous coach here)'s players?
We claim Michigan has all of this talent that Carr could never make proper use of, and then use the above argument to make a negative point about a prospective coach. To be successful you need to a) recruit and b) coach! and in the case of Michigan c) be a really swell guy who holds great press conferences.
I love how the oranges eyes look like "hurry up and get me away from him before he eats me"
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Of course, there are people in the world
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And of course, there is a Sunday every week
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So what?
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Sark is not a bible-thumper ala Cheatervest
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So Sunday ain't no problem
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PS: Eff you, SoJ
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Here's a great reason to kill the Coker talk...T-shirts like these wouldn't exist for nothing:
http://sportscrack.com/
tees_canc...s_cancoker.html
"Latest confirmation is that RE will continue as DC"
Confirmation from who? Your Magic 8-Ball?
jesus frickin' christ.
The Chimp Mafia is meeting at the Gandi Dancer tonight. Black pin stripe suits a must. Must be packin a banana. 6ish. Bring a babe.
Hire the Chimp
Keeler is happening people.
I hear THE KNOWLEDGE is going to blow me if Keeler is hired. Sweet.
We must bring all the families together for a summit.
Now!
"Keeler is happening people.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 5:15 pm | # "
Nope. To quote Jack Nicholson: "Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here."
Big concern over Keeler would be the autonomy he would possess in hiring coaches. When you hire someone like Keeler, for better or worse, he just is unlikely to have the pull, power, autonomy to hire who he wants and dump who he wants. Sticking wih some of the status quo assistants is not going to suffice regardless who the coach is, and I worry that is what will happen with Keeler, particularly because of his need to continue recruiting an area and talent level he is unaccustomed to recruiting.
"We must bring all the families together for a summit.
Now!
elnolewis | 12.12.07 - 5:17 pm | # "
MtMM checking in.
Why isn't anyone talking about UConn's Randy Edsall? Young, Midwest ties, turned UConn from I-AA to a legit I-A program. Waaaayyy better than Grobe - in fact, Edsall might be the best young guy out there whose name doesn't rhyme with Bourbon Buyer.
Profile:
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/
spor...bccoachbio.html
Think about it. Keeler is clean, recruits well, is very respected, seems to be loyal and is young. Not to mention successful enough at UD that you can't just write him off.
No dirty laundry on him (of course, if it gets serious, people try to find it).
He fits the Martin criteria almost perfectly. Maybe even a younger Lloyd clone?
This is an interesting development.
Nobody knows shit. BILG didnt know shit. There are no inisiders, just a bunch of rumoring douche bags that try to get hopes up.
Hiring Keeler would be a sign (to me, anyway) that Michigan just wanted to hire a cheap coach -- basically trying to catch lightning in a bottle.
The reason Tressel worked in Ohio was because he knew the Ohio recruiting scene already. Unless there's some ties that I'm unaware of, I think Keeler would be a HUGE risk.
I will be in charge of security.
YOu will be safe.
Repeat. Bring babes.
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What exactly did WDFN confirm? They are probably just reporting the same rumor on the Internet. I think most of the media is in the same boat we are, just looking for rumors to spread because there is nothing new to report.
I'd like to see an official request to talk to the guy, then I will believe it.
I think we should hire Lloyd back. He's god.
NBlue,
I agree with you 99% of the time -- except when said team has the talent of that '01/'02 Miami team. Look at the roster, it's unreal.
Did we step thru the dang looking glass yet?
Keeler runs the spread, he will dump Debord. That's good enough for me.
I think Grobe would be a good hire. Winning at Wake is only marginally easier than winning at Duke, and he seems to be doing it the right way.
English sounds like Zook after Spurrier left: current DC, popular with his players, high-energy guy, zealous recruiter. Zook looks good now, but had a rough time in his first HC job.
who is more delusional?
-the keeler crowd
-the coker crowd
-the meyer crowd
Lud:
I agree, ridiculous roster, but that doesn't mean the team was on auto-pilot. You can find plenty of similar rosters that didn't win.
Plenty of people were calling for Carr's head too, doesn't mean he's a bad coach. Sometimes coaches just overstay their welcome, period. Miami never has coaches stay more than 5 years. Everyone talking about recruiting, winning, and press conferences. THAT IS COKER TO A TEE. Down to earth, homey comedic guy, had top recruiting classes all his years in Miami, and is a proven winner!
S FL Wolverine,
You're probably right about where their rumor came from. I'm just passing along what they were saying.
bsb,
Do we have to choose, or can we say "All of the above."
@ bsb,
I would vote Carr crowd most delusional.
bsb,
Why is the Keeler crowd delusional? This seems serious.
I still think MIles is a done deal. He just needs to have plausible deniability until LSU plays for the MNC.
@ cfaller96
I won't put my name next to that statement. You know why?
Because I don't know.
And, oh yeah, neither do you.
http://www.sackcarr.com/index.php
Well....is saying...
Eh, I wouldn't say plenty similar -- that team was a once in a generation from a talent standpoint. And also, the decay in the program after those recruits started leaving bring into question Coker's own recruiting and ability to sustain the success that Butch Davis had started. I mean three years removed from one of the most dominant teams ever, Miami lost six games.
"and is a proven winner!"
^^with Butch Davis' recruits/staff. After that meal ticket ran out, he became a proven loser.
Please move on from Coker. Nothing to see here people.
"I still think MIles is a done deal. He just needs to have plausible deniability until LSU plays for the MNC.
gulo gulo | 12.12.07 - 5:23 pm | # "
@ gulo gulo:
bingo bingo.
I don't think that Martin is determined to underpay at all. He is trolling for a bargain. But since there is no hurry, why not.
He needs to sell those boxes. The big money is holding out, to see who he hires. They now have real influence in this deal.
And maybe U. Meyer might not come to Michigan, but Tim Tebow, and Percy Harvin could get injured, jump to the NFL, early. He knows there are no guarantees with his players. And the SEC is volitile, plus it is good intel that he doesn't like his AD. Plus the opposition (Miles, Petrino, Richt, Spurrier is not getting easier down there). What if he doesn't win the NC with Tebow next year? What kind of environment would that be for him? But it is a real possibility with better coaches and players gathering in the SEC every year.
And if all we can get is some retread or I-AA guy, then watch for the planned football facilites upgrades to get halted real quick.
Larry Coker = Lloyd Carr
The 'no comment' quote from the UD athletic director is very interesting. The story is published in the online version of the Wilmington News Journal, a real newspaper.
It's a step beyond just being made up Internet stuff.
This is the biggest thing right now - none of the other names (Miles) have anything to back them up right now.
wow. a real life issue that I have to leave my desk to attend to? this is supposed to be work! I'm supposed to be sitting at my desk all day long, lurking in the mgoblog comment threads....doesn't anyone know that?!?!
brb.
You know, it's amazing nowadays what passes for good journalism. A lot of it is just total BS. Take the recent Miles story for example.
1. Brian reports that there is an offer on the tale for LM and that Mich and LM are talking.
2. Miraculously, shortly thereafter, the Detroit News reports that U-M is talking to Miles.
3. The next day, ESPN reports that the Detroit News reports (that in essence MGoBlog reports) that U-M is talking to Miles.
Now, the talking part ended up being true, but the chain of events there does not give me much confidence in the MSM in these searches.
I still don't understand why we are not pursuing Butch Davis with everything we have. He cleaned up a Miami program that was in disarray and made them into an annual contender. To my knowledge, he's never been in trouble with the NCAA. He's young enough that he could stay awhile and old enough that he's not a big flight risk. He has been there, done that in the NFL. What is not to like? This is baffling to me.
Keeler will excite the boosters, they'll get Tressel fever for better or worse.
The post at 5:18 p.m. was not mine.
Surprise, surprise.
Of course it's easier to steal someone's handle than actually, you know, debate them or just accept that the other person might have a different opinion.
I actually think that Urban Meyer has shown the most interest of anyone. He said it's an elite job and that Michigan can hang with the rest of the SEC. Trying to get on someone's good graces, aren't we? He's probably just being polite, but he's from the area and has only had positive things to say about Michigan lately. Other than that he's an asshole.
A good coach gets players to improve and beat the odds, among other things. I think that anyone who has turned his team around and gotten it to play well against good competitors is a good coach. Grobe has done this. Peterson's Broncos are just better than everyone else in the WAC. He would not be all that great at Michigan. Look at what happened to Dirk Koetter. And we don't know if Dan Hawkins can turn around CU just yet.
I also like Craig Bohl at N. Dakota St. He's gotten his team to beat Minnesota, albeit a mediocre one, and they lost by one point last year (their only loss) to a Minnesota team that went to a bowl game. And his team is still transitioning from D-II to FCS.
How some of you fools are against Grobe is baffling. He's a great coach and he has coached in the MAC before.
i think i'm in agreement with a lot of people on here. i don't understand brian's issue with jim grobe. he has been successful at a school with an enrollment under 4000 students, mostly known for academics.
and the statements that he is old just really baffle my mind, considering he is only a year older than les miles, who no one objects to his 'damn fine age'. just pointing that one out.
we should be lucky to get someone like grobe.
I'm not yet in a mafia. Am I missing out on something? I could wield the shotgun. Who needs help? I'm open to offers.
Minnesota is worse then mediocre.
I'm shocked people are against Keeler.
@Musket-
you want to be in my mafia lol.
I figured it was time to come out of the shadows and join the MtMM. Things are not always what they seem. In that sense, I see that it is totally plausible that this isn't over just yet. Count me in.
00goblue00
What mafia is that? Thanks for the invite. I like mafias that just invite instead of force.
Brian-
If you read this, I think we need a profile in Heroism-Larry Coker. Not positive he is a candidate quite yet, but it is coming and he is viable, and I would appreciate a large picture with his satellite ears on it. Thanks
@Musket
The MtMM mafia. Well Chill is the Don and I am the Prima Donna of it. See if you can figure it out lol. Despite yesterdays events, it still has quite the following.
See..we just recruited a new member (Wolv in MA)
FWIW,
This is what the rivals mod has to say about keeler.
"[the rumor] started yesterday as a joke.... and seems to have made the rounds"
Inca Kola | 12.12.07 - 2:55 pm | #
still the most plausible explanation
Brian-
I second the call for a Larry Coker Profile in Heroism. When people look at his overall record, the ranks of his recruiting classes, and the way he ran such a clean program, they will clearly jump on the bandwagon (and there are plenty of us already on). I think this could definitely be an option for Michigan in order to pave the way for a young new hire in a few years.
everyone knows the whole Keeler thing is a joke created on the internet right?
did someone say coker ran a clean program?
as someone who knows tons of canes from his era
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAAAAAA
Larry Coker = Lloyd Carr
Perfect for a bunch of you.
Alright I'm off to recruit more members. Strength in numbers. See you guys later.
Urban Meyer is the guy! He rebuilt and won at BGSU, at Utah and took FLA to the NC.
He campaigned for his team to get a shot at the NC, why didn't Lloyd? Was it unseemly? Bo thought he was right and ripped the B10 in 1973 for bypassing his guys? Was that unseemly? Lloyd let us just hang there, maybe he didn't think his guys were worthy? That is disturbing. Judging by this year's round of coaches' campaign speeches it is defacto part of the process. Chalk one up for Urban Meyer being on the forefront. Lloyd was still stuck in the past.
It's always the other guy's a**hole that bcomes a favorite when they join your side?
00goblue00
I think I'll join your MtMM, but only if I get some cool title or something. Seeing as how you've already snatched up Prima Donna and all. I think I get where your head is, and I'm ready to be the muscle when the families meet together. 175 lbs. of ferocious muscle...
...I'll hit the weights.
BSB-
Pick something out to prove Larry didn't run a clean program. I also know a bunch of his former players, so we'll see what you can come up with.
welcome aboard musket
gmb,
That two newspapers, and other MSM outlets have actually decided to investigate? They aren't that stupid at the MSM.
the agenda surfaces
@Musket
You have made the right decision! I'll come up with something clever.
Welcome to the Family
and Wolverine in MA
Welcome to the family as well.
What is MSM?
No agenda here. Larry ran a clean program. Maybe not the top candidate possible, but I do think he ran a tight ship.
Wow, we need a newsletter or something.
I'll say this about the Keeler story...http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/
pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071212/SPORTS20/71212036
This part is really interesting:
Asked if Michigan had asked for permission to speak to Keeler, Delaware athletic director Edgar Johnson said “I don’t have any comment."
If there was no contact, why not say so? I know that it's not definitive proof, but it is interesting.
MSM = Main Stream Media
Brian, I love your work, but this post pretty much proves that you're talking out of your ass just as much as anyone else.
First and foremost, how do you call Jim Grobe old when he's not even a full year older than Les Miles? Major hypocrisy there.
Secondly, the fact that ANYone could or would push Bobby Petrino for the Michigan job cannot be considered any sort of true fan.
"Because you might have to endure the indignity of watching your coach entertain other job offers? Isn't this Michigan? Isn't this a place that should be good enough that other job offers don't matter?"
Apparently, there's no place in the world that's that good, especially for Bobby. He's quit, 100% quit, on every single team he's ever coached, and there's no evidence whatsoever that he won't do the same to Arkansas, and that he wouldn't do the same to Michigan. I'm simply stunned that you would be such a proponent of hiring a guy who's proven absolutely nothing other than he knows how to tuck tail and run out the back door when no one's looking.
Moreover, is there ANY job in the country that's so good that no coach will look at other offers? Certainly not LSU or USC... Carrol's entertained offers, and we all know by now about LSU's coaches looking elsewhere...
I don't think we should be afraid of the guy from Delaware. For my money, and though it pains me to say this, the two best coaches in major college football right now are Tressel and Carrol. One was a 1-AA coach and one was an NFL washout when they were hired. It's pretty rare, to my memory, that a successful coach goes from one major conference school to another, as would be the case with Miles.
“I can guarantee you I have made no inquiries about the University of Michigan job and I have not been contacted.”
“I said this and I’ll repeat it again,” Keeler said. “I didn’t come here [to Delaware] to leave here. I love this place. It is, obviously, an honor to ever be mentioned for a job of any magnitude, especially one like that."
Non denial-denails people.
We all sure seem to be grasping at staws now.
S FL Wolverine,
No way, those were made up online, too!
MallettFumble,
Not saying the guy is the perfect fit, but it appears as if something is up with him.
No conflict. Don't know Coach Coker, but the fact that I do know some former players and how they feel about him means that his candidacy should be taken even more seriously.
Plus, c'mon, doesn't this guy just look bad ass?
http://cmsimg.delawareonline.com...AR&
Profile=1002
actually he looks really creepy but that is just my opinion lol.
Where did everyone go?
I think he kind of looks like a douche bag. I mean, those shades... please.
No more creepy than your loverboy, LM. :-)
Callahan, how then would you explain Carroll's success at USC? He didn't have ties, well, anywhere.
Sorry, meant to say straws. I am just so confused anymore. I was a huge Miles fan and now I am lost. I am open to several people, including some OC's and DC's, actually I like Venables from OK. The problem seems to be that whoever it is needs to dump Gitt#%*^& and De%&$& at a minimum and I dont know that it will happen.
Official 2nd member of the Keeler to Michigan Mafia (KtMM).
@ S Fl Wolverine-
haha. I deserved that. +1 for you. But Les Miles is really hot and looks good for 54 sorry lol. I'd hit it!
Wow...
00goblue00:
Looks like you've been busy on the recruiting trail. Nice work snatching up those blue-chippers.
@Chill
I was trying to make a last ditch effort before I left you to go out to dinner with the famiglia lol.
Can we start sorting acceptable and realistic candidates from unacceptable or unrealistic? Grobe and Tedford, I think, would be acceptable and find success in the Big House. No to Coker, he presided over the ruin of a top 10 program and let it disintegrate in a matter 4-5 years. For whatever reason Kelly doesn't seem to be a real candidate, and that I think is a mistake. As far as Les Miles goes, He's signed at LSU, it's over. It would be the biggest about face ever at this point. Keeler is an interesting candidate, but he seems to be a hero at Delaware now, and his teams have been inconsistent. I don't think he's had enough success to be a real candidate. Grobe would be a fantastic coach here. I hope the rumors are true and we're the right fit for him. Count me in with gsimmons as a Grobe backer.
"But Les Miles is really hot and looks good for 54 sorry lol. I'd hit it!
00goblue00 | 12.12.07 - 5:55 pm | # "
^^Sadly, I'd hit that too. And I'm straight as an arrow.
Seriously, though, the guy's record is kind of erratic, at least the last two years. But NC in second year and back to the NC game this year. Pretty good.
00goblue00,
Does your fiancé know you wanna hit it?
@Ryan
haha yeah. We had the discussion the other night. He laughed and said okay.
Shit yeah! I want to hit it too!
The only reason people want to join the MtMM is because it has girls in it. If the TedM had more X chromosomes, we'd have to beat you all off with a stick.
Go TedM!
I'd probably entrust my first homosexual encounter to Les Miles, as long as he was signing a contract to coach at Michigan... and that he gives good reach arounds.
@TX
Don't be jealous haha.
I'm off to have dinner with the goombas. See you all later.
MusketRebellion - LOL
before I go..
obviously that wasn't my fiance.
@ Musket & Chill
Thats dedication to the mafia. lol.
"The only reason people want to join the MtMM is because it has girls in it. If the TedM had more X chromosomes, we'd have to beat you all off with a stick.
Go TedM!
TX Wolverine (Don of the TedM) | 12.12.07 - 6:00 pm | # "
Make no mistake, it's the Les Miles pheromone that engulfs you when you walk in the door. Not the ladies.
The MtMM's new focus on sex with Les will be their downfall. Keeler mafia reigns.
The TedM's miniscule membership owes itself more to losing to Stanford in the same season that you beat Oregon than the lack of X chromosomes. If said member of the MtMM is engaged then she kind of stops be a "girl" in the whole "lets get into that group with the chick, we'll get mad play" kind of girl. I can live with losses to Kentucky and Arkansas, but not to Harbaugh.
The Larry Coker thing is a joke. He's Dennis Erickson but with half the brain.
Whoops about the mediocre comment. I meant awful. But seriously. For all you KC Keeler fans out there:
Look at Craig Bohl! He's done a great job at ND State even as the bison transitioned from D-II to FBS!
This is all very strange. It has to be a very divided search committee for this to happen, or on the other hand, if we have no coach announced by the NC game, I'm assuming that Les Miles has already arranged something with Michigan.
I honestly don't know how you can back a guy who pretends to be a grown up but still thinks he first name should be an acronym.
MtMM, word to your mothers.
His name is Kurt, you'd go by K.C., too.
lol @ Ryan
I think it depends on what his middle name is. If it is something like Clyde or something eccentrically British sounding you'd have to go with it. If it is something like Christian (which obviously sounds SOOO pagan) I'd go by KC. But Kurt isn't that bad of a name. At least it isn't Bobby. Nobody likes names that end with "obby."
Yo guys- As for Les Miles goes. I highly doubt he is coming now. I was the guy holding onto every little thread of hope. I am LM supporter and campaigner #1. It is like I have a man crush on him. But whatever, I just do not see how he can turn around after the NC and say...."well we won, yay, but now I must go home". I just do not think it would look good for him and for us.
Other than that, I am now holding onto a delusional hope that we might get Urban Meyer. Talk about a good coach. But, obviously, there is no hope for that.
I have to admit that, Michigan to save any face with alumni, donors, and fans...will have to hire a big name coach and spin it the right way. Thats only my opinion, but with a lot of $$$ going into the stadium and facilities, along with needing to continue to sell out every home game...they are going to need to hire someone who will get everyone excited.
Lets see how it unfolds.....i'm guessing it will be a while until we know
We'll know soon enough if the Keeler thing has any legs or not as they play on Friday. If nothing more comes of it by the end of the weekend, it's all just BS.
But -- the more you read about him, the more it actually looks like a good fit.
There was a post up there a bit about when big-time coaches move, they rarely find the same kind of success. That is an excellent, excellent take that should be paid attention to.
Good to see we've gone nowhere in 6 hours of my absence. Well, I shouldn't say nowhere, there is a whole new cycle of:
Larry Coker for HC!
He sucks, he is being fired from miami, he's old.
Oh God DO NOT WANT COKER!
[insert name #1] Mafia RULZ!
[insert name #2] Mafia accepting applications
I'm still set on Coker, im starting a Larry Coker Mafia
I'm so in the Coker Mafia
Didnt you just join that other mafia
Yea but that one is so 45 seconds ago.
Anyone else get the feeling that Martin is planning on making a major announcement at the same time Mitchell releases his steroid report (2 pm tomorrow)? That way he could avoid some of the media scrutiny, which if that's the case, then I'm worried.
Of course, I just made up everything I wrote above (except for the fact that the Mitchell report is being released tomorrow at 2), so I guess there's not much to worry about.
// I honestly don't know how you can back a guy who pretends to be a grown up but still thinks he first name should be an acronym. //
You can do better than picking on someones name as a reason to dismiss them.
Everybody, please knock it off and stop talking about me. My announcement yesterday calmed everyone down, now you need to keep quite for a few more weeks.
P.S. I'll be having an open house at my new place in Barton Hills in early February. Everyone's invited.
@ formerlyanonymous,
It's all we got now.
LOL
Golden Grizzly
Like funny things they could stand for?
Krusty the Clown?
Killer of Christ?
Kitten Corrupter?
Had a damn client meeting all afternoon. Anything new on the crazed rumour front?
@ Golden Grizzly
Um, it was a joke. I'm sorry it struck a nerve.
"I just do not see how he can turn around after the NC and say...."well we won, yay, but now I must go home"."
^^Saban did it to LSU. Except by "home" he meant "cashmachine." Miles has a legit excuse...HOME.
Make fun of Larry all you want, but he is clearly a viable candidate who could watch over our program for the next 5 years like a guardian angel until Miles is ready to come back home. The Larry Coker Mafia is in full effect!
Sorry -- I was trying to be sarcastic too. It's all good.
Les Miles- actually Les did buy a house in Barton Hills. I am 100% positive about that fact. My parents are building a new house just outside of Ann Arbor and our builder said he knew for a fact that Les Miles bought a home in Barton Hills.
So, I dont know why he would do that, but he most definitly did
TBG,
Keeler @ Delaware rumors
out of nowhere Coker reference. Both around 4 hours a piece of nonsense.
20 commenters took roles in mafias for different coaches from don, to commisar, to king, to punk bitch.
I'm sure coker never had academic problems or player discipline problems. No, not at Miami, or course not.
This is the NASCAR equivalent of Silly Season, right? People just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.
And getting people used to saying 'Michigan Head Coach K.C. Keeler'
Golden Grizzly
Glad we're cool, because I didn't want to start a blogwar. I've seen the disastrous effects of blogwars and they aren't pretty. Honestly, that's how Vietnam started, Gulf of Tonkin my ass.
Coker had one discipline problem during his time at Miami and that was Ryan Moore. Carr had many more off the field issues than Coker did during his tenure. Just the facts.
I prefer to call him "the shades."
the shades vs the vest
got a ring to it don't you think?
I still don't think he comes here. Still better than hoke/debord/english options. Just think its unlikely.
@formerlyanonymous
Delaware? Don't they have the same uniforms? Is BM now selecting based on team colors?
Les Miles- actually Les did buy a house in Barton Hills. I am 100% positive about that fact. My parents are building a new house just outside of Ann Arbor and our builder said he knew for a fact that Les Miles bought a home in Barton Hills.
So, I dont know why he would do that, but he most definitly did
Perhaps as investment property?
I think we should all start coming to terms with being shot down by the coach of Delaware. Schiano, Ferentz, Miles, I can be okay with those after a few beers, but getting turned down by the coach of the Blue Hens (whose jerseys mock our very existence) would be more than alcohol could help erase.
Keeler will go undefeated his first year here.
MichiganStudent,
Did you just say you were 100% positive because your builder said he was 100% positive? Isn't that just assuming an awful lot?
GoBlue1,
Was he the instigator of the FIU fight? Serious question, I don't know.
I lived in a house in Ann Arbor for 3 years. Am I the next head coach?
"20 commenters took roles in mafias for different coaches from don, to commisar, to king, to punk bitch.
formerlyanonymous | 12.12.07 - 6:19 pm | # "
^^Fair. But the MtMM (or whatever you'd like to call it..perhaps, 'People who want Miles in Ann Arbor') has been around since the beginning. For my part, I've been championing the Miles cause since day 1 as well--the "Commissar" title was added to my handle well in advance of the whole 'craze.' Point is...I could care less what you call me...just don't call me crazy when UofM has no coach and calls a presser the day after the MNC.
\did someone say coker ran a clean program?//
Well, he DID implement a ban on firearms among his players.
formerlyanonymous-
How could the coach of the team be the instigator for the fight? Did the team get out of control? Probably. But I think any other college team would have reacted the same way to their holder being body slammed. Nothing to do with Coker.
Delaware isn't mocking. There is a direct tie - their former coach got permission to use the helmets. Before going to Delaware, he was at Michigan.
@Chillmodious
You crazy man...I like you, but you crazy
TBG,
Indeed, the pattern is the same, slightly lighter blue. But Keeler is a good coach there. Delaware is one of the most successful programs in D1AA/FCS history. He took their old winged T option that was run for over 60 years and adjusted it to a pro spread. The guys good, but he was the Delawarean of the year in 05 or something like that because he bleeds yellow and light blue for the mud hens.
He's had 3 great years, including at least one FCS championship, and then 3-4 meh seasons. He has a chance for another championship this weekend.
Great coach, not coming.
Keeler would never get the chance to turn down an offer. They'd make damn sure there was at least mutual interest and indeed a good likelihood that he'd move before it ever got that far.
GoBlue1,
I thought you said there was only one guy who was a problem. I was asking if that was the guy. Coker obviously didn't start the fight.
Yeah, I knew the helmet design story, but to steal the color scheme (almost) as well? That's kind of mocking, at least in my short and unedited kids book written in crayon. I'm out for a while.
IS THERE A REASON WHY IF I CLICK WITHIN 3 INCHES OF A PICTURE, I GET LINKED TO A LARGER VERSION OF THAT PICTURE W/O ANY WAY TO BACKTRACK TO YOUR BLOG?
SIGNED,
CONFUSED BY RIDICULOUSLY STUPID HTML CODE
I'm out. For now.
Peace and afro grease...
Chill,
not calling you out. I just didnt see the "commissar" until after I got back tonight. and agreed. it is ridiculous we don't have a coach.
NOT COKER. Stop. He's awful. If by a Guardian Angel of the program you mean, "Bringer of the Dark Age", then yes, by all means, let's get Coker. Once he was done here the next coach would have to be a proven program builder because we would be in ashes.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I've always been told.
formerlyanonymous-
Apologies for misunderstanding you. I believe the player I am referring to was actually suspended at that time, so no. There wasn't a Miami player who started the fight. The FIU player bodyslammed Miami's holder after an extra point. Not sure exactly who on Miami threw the first punch, etc. Either way that was clearly a one time incident between rival players that got taken out of control.
One more before I leave...
@GoBlue1:
What about the whole "Rap song" incident? Forget about that? And then Brian Pata getting, um, SHOT?!?! The MSM only shows us the tip of an iceberg, so can you imagine what we're not seeing???
MR,
Those were always their colors.
In January, 2007, Coker interviewed for the head coach position at Rice University. According to several media sources, Coker was one of two finalists for the position. However, Rice selected David Bailiff, formerly head coach at Texas State University.
And you want him for Michigan?
Tubby Raymond is the "Les Miles" of the 1960s and 1970s. He had played for Fritz Crisler at Michigan, and implemented Crisler's wing-T offense at Delaware, which is now known as the "Delaware wing-T". He loved and still loves Michigan, and had always pined for a return. He finished 2nd to Bo in 1969, when he was 40 years old, and never got a chance afterward. He retired from Delaware in 2000 and was elected into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2003.
Keeler is going to come here, I don't know why you people act like he wont
TX Wolverine (Don of the TedM),
At Cal, the student section calls themselves the "Tedheads" and wears tie-dye shirts with Tedford's mugshot on them. Perhaps that can be the TedM uniforms.
Golden Grizzly-
As I said before, Coker has interviewed for other positions (Rice, SMU, etc.) but is content waiting for the right job right now, especially because he is currently broadcasting and spending time with his grandchildren. Larry Coker turned them down, not the other way around. Once again, the win %, recruiting classes, graduation rates (check if you don't believe me), and lack of off the field incidents point to Coker as being a great caretaker for the program we all hard so near to our hearts.
Has the top notch AD actually talked to Grobe?
Let Coker go to Rice and SMU or Houston or whatever WAC school wants him.
So a guy that isn't good enough for Rice is okay for Michigan. A guy that's happy spending time with his grandchildren and would probably commit to 5 years here at the most.
I'm not buying what you're selling.
From Dodd's blog:
Scuttlebutt: Wake Forest's Jim Grobe dropped out of the running at Nebraska after being told he would have to hire certain assistant coaches.
http://www.sportsline.com/column...ntry/257/
122007
There is no possible way we can be forcing anyone to retain Debord or any other assistants like that, is there? If he's back next year I'm busting out my pitchfork.
Houston and rice are Conference USA, not WAC. Rice moved two years ago I believe.
Just pointing out facts.
Based on the events transpiring with this search, I am shocked how BM and MSC did not have a better plan.
EVERYONE knew LC was retiring this year. It was transparent MONTHS ago. Yet, we are fumbling for candidates.
If I had to bet, I would suspect a plan was not created because the M AD expected a "cut and dry" search.
Either an internal candidate was the target, or Les Miles was believed as the "sure thing".
The other possibility is complete incompetency.
Yeah, all I need to think about is an ABC split-screen cam of the Vest and Coker. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Either an internal candidate was the target, or Les Miles was believed as the "sure thing".
I suspect that was the prevailing feeling around Michigan. They never anticipated the shitstorm around English and the "Kitten Killers".
@mimuckdog
Man, you're painting people into corners that they're not in. Ken wasn't saying everything is fine, and that there are no problems at M. He was just saying - as I've been saying too - that we don't know what's happening behind closed doors.
No, that's not what Ken is saying. Ken is saying that the amount of time that this is taking is an indication of either nothing, or progress, but certainly is NOT an indication of "no progress." After all, he's not criticizing the people who claim great things are going to happen, even though they don't know anything either. He only thinks those who are critical of Martin and the AD are being "premature" in their conclusions. Strange how one-sided his 'we don't know anything' meme is.
Ken's protestations aside, the time factor matters- there's no way that a top-notch program that knows what it's doing takes this long. Can you recall a similar coaching search taking this long and ending in success/improvement? For all the talk about OSU getting to their 4th or 5th choice and succeeding, OSU at least got there quickly (Tressel was hired after two weeks IIRC, but don't quote me on that), indicating a certain level of competence and seriousness.
Yet, according to Ken, the length of time this is taking means nothing, apparently. Or it means great things. But certainly not bad things. Ridiculous.
And producing delusional and contorted explanations that explain how 3-4 weeks (or arguably, the entire season) could go by with 'plenty of progress but no coach' is even more indicative that he wants to insist that nothing's wrong, and great things will happen.
But that's irrational. We're NEVER going to know exactly what happened in this search, yet does that mean we don't have the wherewithal to judge it a success or failure? Of course not- we're not brainwashed monkeys. We have eyes and ears and independent minds that give us the ability to NOT automatically defend the Very Important People of the institutions we trust and love. We are better than that.
Martin has been a successful businessman, and he fiscally turned around the AD, but that does not mean he's infallible. And I'm saying we know plenty right now to conclude that Martin's "process" is fucked up, the pool of candidates is drying up, and somewhere along the line Martin himself fucked up. I'm saying we can reach those conclusions now, yet because that's an unpleasant conclusion people like Ken want to deny it.
I don't need to know everything to know that a blind squirrel does NOT find a nut- a blind squirrel stays in his hole, or steps in shit most of the time. And I predict that is what will happen here. Our own little blind squirrel will capitulate and tire of this coaching search- his heart wasn't in it anyway (see: sailing). He'll just give it to one of the assistants or Hoke.
I love Michigan enough t
\ Tubby Raymond is the "Les Miles" of the 1960s and 1970s. He had played for Fritz Crisler at Michigan, and implemented Crisler's wing-T offense at Delaware, which is now known as the "Delaware wing-T".//
If he was the Les Miles of the '60's & '70's wouldn't that have been a "DAMN STRONG Wing-T?"
One thing I don't understand about this entire mess is that the AD seems to have this mysterious problem with coming up with an extra million to lure a top quality coaching candidate.
Meanwhile we're dropping $300 million to renovate the stadium and putting $25 million into facilities improvements.
Just does not compute.
What am I missing here?
Anyone suggesting Larry Coker the gig is more out of touch than Bill Martin. Anyone defending Larry Coker for the gig should have their typing fingers cut off.... Please. The first prerequisite for the job should be a pulse.
@Ben from SF
That's a fantastic idea. You've officially been promoted to Consigliere of the TedM.
Let's think outside of the box here. How about Les Miles? I know it sounds like a long shot, but I hear he has some Michigan ties and both he and his wife love it here.
Is'nt Larry Coker dead?
Larry Coker beats his wife.
S FL Wolverine- My builder said that Les Miles has a house bought and paid for in Ann Arbor, more specific Barton Hills. He is in the building and real estate field so i definitly believe him. Also, he is not really into football that much, he played hockey for Michigan...
take it for what its worth....I still dont think Les is coming here and if he actually truly bought the house (i am 95% positive he did) then maybe hes trying to sell it now....who knows?
"Is'nt Larry Coker dead?"
Not yet. Don't let that death-palor fool you, he's looked darn-near-dead for years.
Please tell me this Coker stuff is a joke.
Have we sunk so low as to want Larry Coker?
Those Miami teams were so stacked (until Coker's primary recruits took over) that any coach not named Da-Bored could have had outstanding success. Coker is not the answer.
@mimuckdog
Final thought got cut off:
I love Michigan enough to speak up when it is failing, and English/Hoke/[NAME REDACTED] is failure. I hope to God I'm wrong.
Have not heard this name mentioned, but have to look at that offense.
http://www.patriots.com/team/ind...erbio&
bio=24595
Larry Coker beats Dantonios wife too.
Larry Coker & Jerry Tarkanian:
Separated at birth.
good god...the pats OC is good because he has TOM BRADY, RANDY MOSS, WES WELKER, STALWORTH, ETC ETC ETC
@Anonymous 7:04 pm
That name has been mentioned...often in the same sentence as "Charlie Weis". Unless we can get Tom Brady with him, I don't think we should buy into any NE Patriots OCs from now on. Capiche?
S FL Wolverine- My builder said that Les Miles has a house bought and paid for in Ann Arbor, more specific Barton Hills. He is in the building and real estate field so i definitly believe him. Also, he is not really into football that much, he played hockey for Michigan...
Miles probably bought the house for his kids when they enroll in Michigan. With both parents as alums, they are a shoo-in as long as they make a reasonable attempt at the ACT.
Josh McDaniels? He's the opposite of Coker. McDaniels is, what, 17 years old? Let's get someone old enought to go to a bar and young enough to walk in on his own power.
People are pissed at Ferentz being a candidate but have no problem with Larry Coker?
Tx,
did you see my post on Trgovac I made at like 5 am?
We know Larry Coker Cant beat that school down south.
Moratorium list:
1. Mike Debord
2. Brady Hoke
3. Lloyd Carr wanting to sabotage Michigan football for personal gain
4. Brian Kelly is an ass
5. Chuck Martin
6. The Chimp
and the latest...
7. Larry Coker coaching at Michigan
Please add to the list as you see fit.
I threw out Coker a few hours ago kind of half kidding. I didn't expect him to get so much traction.
Ben from SF- could be. I mean he has enough money to do so, but I just think its weird.
Why are you claiming Brian Kelly is an ass.
I am partial to the Chimp, though. At least the team scores when he is calling plays.
@Ryan
Yeah, I was referring to Josh McDaniels not Trgovac. He, like Trgovac, has similarities to Weis, but I think the presence of Tom Brady makes those similarities even more appropriate in McDaniels's case.
Coker got fired for putting out a better team than Iowa has had for the past two years, and that was with winning a championship and semi-winning another. Guy is a winner, plain and simple. While he is clearly not a long term solution, he can serve as a good placekeeper until the right guy comes along. It is clear the right guy isn't out there now. Might as well hire a coach who wins, will do the right things, and recruit.
No Cokehead
Weis prior to Notre Dame job:
High School coach in New Jersey for 1979-1984 and 1989.
Assistant at South Carolina (when SC was basically at MAC level)for 1985-1988
NFL assistant in a single system for 1990-2004
Trgovac's resume is MUCH, MUCH, ONE HUNDRED MILLION TIMES better then that.
Ryan | 12.12.07 - 4:44 am | #
For the record on Trgovac/Weis comparisons.
I missed the rationale behind the moratorium on Chuck Martin. I understand a source said Kelly was not a candidate. I'm still all for Martin. When was it decided he was out of the running?
\Please add to the list as you see fit.//
8. Infathomable lack of interest in Chuck Long.
Ben from SF- also, I thought LM and his family were at home now??? They love LSU... oh and in LM's new contract it has a free tuition clause for his kids to attend LSU.
is LSU that good of a school? I cant imagine it being in the top 25 public schools in the country.
Plus LM is a liar when he says he is at home. The man should come home to the changing of seasons and 45 minute drive to Canada!!! EH?
T-Boy:
I believe Goblue mentioned Coker first but I appreciate your support as I agree with both of you that I think he is the right man for the job. Earlier today it was just him and I commenting and trying to get people to consider him for the job. Clearly it has caught on, maybe even too much, but he is a better option than a lot out there.
He won because he had players like Portis, McGahee, Reed, an online that didn't give up a sack for a whole season, santana moss, reggie wayne. Miami should put out better teams than Iowa. Larry Coker is not a winner as soon as his recruits came in Miami sucked.
LSU is a waste of an institution. You are far better off getting an associate's degree from WCC than you are getting a bachelor's degree from LSU. Absolutely terrible, piss-poor school.
Ben of SF-
Again why is Brian Kelly an ass?
dangdangdang- thats what I figured. The place is a disgrace. I think we need to send a rescue mission down there to get Les out.
12 mile high is way better than WCC.
Lloyd Carr had an NFL QB, RB, and OL this year but he didn't win a championship. There are plenty of talented teams that don't win, and unfortunately we have seen our fair share of them. Point of the matter is he DID win. Plenty of players he recruited have turned into NFL players, his teams lost due to QB play, period.
dangdangdang-
i was thinking the same thing when they mentioned that part of his 'amended' contract.....la-dee frickin dah!!
Anyone ever give any thought to Don Patterson? http://www.wiuathletics.com/View...963&
SPSID=61219
JHS,
I don't disagree, and I stand by my statement.
// Miles probably bought the house for his kids when they enroll in Michigan. With both parents as alums, they are a shoo-in as long as they make a reasonable attempt at the ACT.
They get free tuition at LSU now - part of his contract extension. LSU didn't even want their kids coming here for school!
Chuck Martin for DC,
I am banning people from talking about "how much of an ass Brian Kelly is". His alleged temper is irrelevant when evaluating his coaching ability.
Rice turned down Larry Coker, but let's bring him to UM. By this logic - Why not Karl Dorrell he went 10-2 one year and has beaten USC?
T-Boy,
I'm not sure about this clown, but I like the way you're thinking. I want someone that nobody's heard of. I already don't like everyone I've heard of. Make it a total surprise. Get a Chuck Martin or a K.C. Keeler or one of those.
MStudent...when did your builder play for M?
Hell, let's get the guy out of App State. The media would love that one.
Oh. He's a great coach. Straight forward honest. His contract is in limbo at Cincy. The man doesn't want more money. Just better facilities to compete. Yet nobody wants this guy. Un effin believable.
Miles could be making over $3M a year, do you think he cares about his kids' tuition? Besides, if his kids had the choice between LSU and Michigan and chose LSU, then that would be a pretty telling sign, no?
Is McCartney's grandson who plays at LSU the one who was the bastard son of his murdered quaterback and teenage daughter?
Petterson is at Western Ill. It is a D-II school, but he is a winner there. He has 10 years HC and cut his teeth at Iowa. Maybe worth a look. I've always heard of W. Ill. as a good team with almost no ability to recruit. Give this guy some talent and who knows.
Early report: Urban Meyer to Michigan after Bowl Game.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
s...,6214376.column
Go Blue!
seriously, after Bertmans comments and LSU being a piece of shit place. I hope Les comes home and shits all over LSU on his way out.
If he doesnt. I'll cheer for Les, but would relish in the oppurtunity to face him and LSU in the NC in some year in the close future. And it would be my wish to kick their asses all over the field. Then after the game have a reporter ask Les how it feels to have given up his chance to come to Michigan and win a national championship with them?
I'd shed a tear of joy over that...
Let me get things straight here. Whose candidacy are you supporting?
1. Les Miles (still)
2. Jeff Tedford
3. Brian Kelly
4. Ron English
5. Kitten Killers
6. Larry Coker
7. Jim Harbaugh
8. Jim Grobe
9. Mike Trgovac
10. Chuck Martin
11. Chuck Long
12. KC Keeler
13. Others
It's becoming very very confusing in here.
Delaware coach K.C. Keeler is rumored (I know, here we go again) to be of keen interest to the UM brass. Keeler was recently quoted as saying (and I'm not making this up):
“However, I am trying to get immortality, and immortality is a national championship. There’s nothing more important to me than that. And that’s all the kids care about, too.”
He's trying to "get immortality?" I think I'm already starting to like this guy's whacky sense of world order. Why didn't Schwarzenegger use that line in any of the Conan movies? "I'm Conan and I come to get immortality! AAAAAHHHRRGHH!"
Better yet, if he comes here, we can use that as a battle cry against tOSU..."we will come and take immortality as it is our divine right to do since we are immortal mortals who strive for an immortal and deathless end! AAAAAAHHHHRRRGHH!"
K.C. Keeler = the immortal one
That is not a report its an opinion piece, that has been posted here before and it is piece of shit journalism.
Like Les needs to worry about free tuition. He is already set to earn almost 3 mil after the Petrino hire by Arky. even before the NC pay increase kicks in.
Oh and by the way, 2002 NFL draft, a record 5 Miami players selected in the first round -- so I would say that was somewhat of a special team. Oh and 4 selected in the first round in 2003. So those weren't just any teams.
Brian Kelly as the HC
Chuck Martin as the DC
Why don't we hire Al Fracassa? He is the winningest coach in Michigan history.
I like Kelly first. Beyond that Coker and several others would be ok. I'd like to look in the dark corners a bit more, though.
repost...MStudent...when did your builder play for M?
TX Wolverine (Don of the TedM),
Notre Dame hired Gerry Faust, and what happened?
DanK- my Dad also played for and coached M...but I cant give that away. Lets just say he won a NCAA title.
But im telling you guys the truth, he told me that Les bought a house here. And that was over a month ago. So who knows how that has changed...???
Petrino got killed by Bill Curry on Mike & Mike this morning. Basically called him a backstabber and a liar. Curry is a straight-up dude. Thank goodness that we did not get Petrino.
well I think this rumor about the purported house Les Miles bought in Barton Hills should be published in all the newspapers and on reported on ESPN so that he has to sell it.
Big Brother is watching you Les!!!
Wow. Busy tonight.
HIre the chimp leads.
Chimp Maria rules
Petrino is a great coach but a terrible hire.
Gary Patterson anyone? TCU, good coach, been good, candidate at some big places, havent heard him mentioned. Anyone have any info as to why, merely a texas guy possibly?
Miami also had 3 players drafted in the first round last year and is going to have 2 more drafted in the first round this year. Clearly Coker can recruit. Once again, the only reason he was fired was because of QB play. If he was at Michigan, he would still have a job today. Miami tends to be a little more aggressive when it comes to this stuff IMO. He gets a bad rap for someone with so many wins and players graduating.
Sources tell me Urban is coming.
Who are these sources? Well, Urban himself. And his mother. And some other guy, but a guy who looks smart.
Urban is awesome. Look no further.
Watch the handshake after CapitalOne: Urban will wink at Lloyd, they will hug, and it will be announced.
The only other person who knows about this is "THE KNOWLEDGE".
p.s. THE KNOWLEDGE is an idiot.
I wouldn't doubt that Les bought a house here. He probably also bought a house in Vail, Paris, and Aruba. Not like he is short on cash or anything.
ok, so your dad is al renfrew?
1. Chuck Martin
2. K.C. Keeler
3. Brian Kelly
4. Someone I've never heard of
5. Chimp
6. Old Crow
8. Old Granddad
9. Wild Turkey
10. Ron English
Gary Patterson anyone? TCU, good coach, been good, candidate at some big places, havent heard him mentioned. Anyone have any info as to why, merely a texas guy possibly?
Wolverine77 | 12.12.07 - 7:28 pm | #
I can see him at Baylor, Texas Tech, or even LSU if we pull a miracle and bring Miles home. However, I don't see how he'd fit in right now.
Urban, doing three ways with Tebow and gf. Ain't gonna leave.
btw, my previous post was pure sarcasm in case people didn't pick up on that
Nope, but nice guess. Assistant coach
Chimp should be higher on the list.
p.s. please don't talk about Larry Coker. Some idiot called Cowherd this morning, purporting to be a michigan fan, and suggested Coker. Cowherd made him (and by association, all of us) sound like idiots. Coker is an old, washed up guy that was run out of a mediocre university. Hiring him is a non-option. The only worse choice would be Cam Cameron.
Caup- I really do not care if you believe me. He had a house here. So, you can take it or leave it.
I'd leave it, because it looks like he made a very poor investment if my source is telling me truthful information. Unless LM likes A2 summers??
That picture of "Tebow's gf" is actually Urban Meyer's mother. Talk about milf.
She looks so young. Amazing!
Ok, are we once again snatching defeat from the jaws of vitory or what?
enquiring minds want to know.
Hire The chimp.
I think we should also interview David L. Roth. I hear he can go atomic on the punks of Columbus. Just a thought to add to the bullshit storm picking up speed here.
I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed in Brian...only 1 post today. I expected/hoped for more. Ahh well.
OK. well, there haven't been any coaching changes since 1998. so that leaves 2 possibilities, but you used 'coached' (not present tense) so i'm calling BS unless that was a typo.
No news is good news. Look at all the post no news generates.
Are people still emailing BM and MSC? I've put four out to BM and three out to MSC already. I'm thinking of another to each tonight.
p.s. who is the chimp?
he's not urban, therefore not relevant.
Maybe we need the fines to unite behind a candidate in a way similar to the Miles mafia.
MSC wrote me back, actually. Said she was looking for a female coach, you know, to appease the diversity thing. An Asian female to be specific. Like Tila.
danK- he coached in the 80's as an assistant. with the big Red himself. I'm sure you can figure it out. The builder didnt get coached by my dad....he just scored lots of goals and won a championship
fines? weird. fans.
WHO IS THE CHIMP?
And you call yourself a Michigan fan?
You probably don't know who the 'fock lion' is either!
Hire the chimp
ok, so the builder won the title (like i figured), but you're dad coached in the 80s. got it.
so honestly...how close was Lindross to coming to UM?
You are right. Though if you said 'fock lion' in my presence, you would soon be on the business end of my knuckles.
:)
I emailed BM and MSC both twice. And believe it or not I emailed Les and he replied with a very short response.
My sister hits harder than u.
Udoh is playing great tonight. Granted its Oakland, but he just had two blocks in 7 seconds.
believe it or not: not. Les Miles doesn't do email. Can you imagine a dude who is in the midst of a MNC run responding to email from some 12-year old purported "MichiganStudent" ?
I can't.
and he just made a 3 pter.
I defy anyone to tell me that they wouldn't want this guy leading our team:
http://video.aol.com/video-detai...year/
1332724075
@elnolewis
i agree. she is one brutish looking gal. but you i can handle.
Don't want to spread any rumors but I have a friend who is at the basketball game now, said he spotted Larry Coker there. May in fact be a serious candidate.
If not Urban, then the Chimp.
The sign could read:
Play like a chimpion today!
I am an internet bully. fourth degree keypad.
DanK- my dad scouted him. He said he was on his trail but lindros was destined for Major Juniors all the way. I guess he was unbelievable in juniors...didnt pan out as much in the NHL becuase of the injuries, but still was exceptional for a short period of time.
Ok off the talk of hockey and back to Les and Michigans coaching disaster.
Urban just kicked the chimp's ass. Except, he also doesn't know who the chimp is.
one thing he knows about the chimp: he's not funny or worth repeatedly plugging.
But, I do appreciate your generous feeding in behavior. My sister said you are easy. Urban.
4th degree, huh? Very impressive. But I am from the school of qwerty-inversion. As Mr. Myagi said, "if done right, no can defend." NO CAN DEFEND!
IT'S GREAT TO BE A MICHIGAN WOLVERINE!
See you all in August!
Urbanrenewal- you are an idiot. You're right I am 12 years old and Les Miles doesnt do e-mail. How about we have mutual friends and I put that in my e-mail. Go to hell.
Well, I memorized every Borg episode of Star Trek.
Man, this basement is dank tonight. Wonder would my mom bring me some hot chocolate.
hhhmmmmmmmm...
the big10 network really shouldnt be on basic cable. this is my first time to watch it for more than 5 minutes while not at a bar. not impressive.
TheVictors-
You're not serious right? Myself and some others have been calling for Coker all day. Maybe our prayers have been answered!
Grudge mather. Englash vs Deboring
Weapons: Flame Throwers
Time Limit: None
Referee: Sweatervest
Sponsor: US Marine Corps
grudge match....too much vodka
Any good coordinators at OSU? Maybe we could expose Tressel like we exposed Woody. Then Tressel would sucker-punch a player. Sweet.
@MichiganStudent
Come on, dude, take it easy. You may indeed be older than 12. But there is no way Les Miles sent you email. Sorry. Particularly about the coaching search.
Either way, lighten up. I'm just kidding around ...
coker's presence at the game is like that allstate commercial.
thats bobby bowden, i'm gonna go touch him.
it wasnt him
but you touched him man...
Coker is a bad coach. Urban is a good coach. Urban is a few plays away from playing for the title (against OSU again!). Urban is coming! Just relax and wait. There won't be any news until Jan. 2.
Interesting that Coker has been spotted at Crisler. My uncle was at Metro earlier today and there was quite a stir at one of the gates. Turns out it was Urban Meyer catching a flight to Florida.
If we could put attachments here I'd stick up the cell phone photo he got of him getting ready to board.
@ MichiganStudent
p.s. I am an idiot, you are right. But, that doesn't make you older than 12 or Les Miles' email buddy :)
I love the comment that Les Miles "makes some shitty calls".
Three consecutive 11-2 seasons. Three consecutive 11-2 seasons.
Once more: THREE consecutive 11-2 seasons. Oh, and now in the national championship game.
Making shitty calls doesn't equate to that consistently HIGH level of success.
I'd say "making shitty calls" equates to 7-5, 11-2 (blowout in bowl game), 8-4 (probably beatdown in bowl game coming), and losing 6 of 7 to your biggest rival, and losing what will likely be five consecutive bowl games.
Urban- seriously man he actually did. I thought it was insane myself. All he said was "Michigan has not contacted me. Thanks. LM. Coach Miles"
You dont need to believe me, but it happened
Mstudent...well, i guess you're not a fan of BM (like anyone is anymore). still, you don't tip him as much as others like to.
Urban is a better coach than Miles.
And younger. And the only one to embarrass Tressel (basically).
Why did he sign his name twice?
I'll forward the e-mail to you if you wish
The cheapest luxury box requires a $10,000 nonrefundable gift payable now. Then they range from 55,000 to 85,000 plus the cost of 16 tix and 4 partking places. The top box is in excess of 100k. No one of these clods can sell luxury boxes.
oh god, the BTN guy said Coach B reminds him of Lloyd. It is the AD plan to install lloyd clones everywhere!!
!tip....rip
Alright dude. I'll believe you. Why not? Stranger things have happened. For example, we have conducted the worst coaching search in the history of mankind. But, maybe that is not that surprising ...
admit it, you threw that JayPa line in to torture PSU fans...
My Second Life character just ran into Larry Coker's Second Life character and he said he was coming. Take it for what its worth.
M up 55-42 @ the half
chuck martin video someone posted looks awesome. why aren't we serious about this guy?
Dank- I do not like BM at all. The guy just appears to not know what he is doing in this search. LM should be our coach right now and that is just not the case.
There are a lot of other factors and inside information that I do not know, so I really shouldnt even be talking about it because i'm not in the know. It just looks like BM is incompetent from afar. Who knows what really went down and why
I would take Urban in a second, but he aint about to go slummin now.
Shiat. hire that chimp
"you don't seek this job, the job seeks the chimp"
p.s. brian kelly w/o chuck martin doesn't look nearly as impressive at gvsu. frankly, kelly at cmu wasn't too amazing, and at cincinatti the jury is still out. so if you like kelly, why wouldn't you like martin?
Ooohhh Tressel sucker punching an opposing player....droooooooling
Yeah those box's are pretty nice, but damn expensive. I guess the fam just bought a box. So i'm looking forward to that come 2010 or whenever they are supposed to be open. I'll probably just stay in the student section though. Lots more fun
@ elnolewis
that is the problem with the bad search. now, if you take the job, you look like you're "worse" than ferentz, schiano, miles. so our perceived value has gone down. nice job, bm.
"you don't seek this job, the job seeks the chimp"
jdog | 12.12.07 - 7:56 pm | #
what he said.
Laughing my ass off at Manny. Who is coming with him?
I've always wanted Urban. This is the biggest no brainer--he beat Tressel!!! Hello? Phone Call for Mr. Martin--drive brinks truck to florida full of GOLD bricks.
UR,
I agree. Martin needs to be higher on anyone's list than Kelly. The only way I'm stoked about Kelly is if he brings Martin as the DC. Straight up one or the other, I take Martin though.
I am 100% down with Urban Meyer as well. If we got him I'd forget about Les for a while. And I'd love to see UM coach M and play in the NC against LSU and kick their asses.
i just think is more plausible that miles wasn't their top candidate and that alot of miles people went too far re: his chances of being offered the job sooner than later.
still, if the KF stuff is true and the Schiano offer was made, i'm not sure why those 2 would be above Miles. even if all the rumors about Miles (recruiting, wild as a coach at M, spreading illness rumors about LC) were half-true.
i do get the feeling that BM wasn't aware of how different the football search would be relative to the BBall search. more pressure from alums, donors, regents, MSC, LC, media, the leaks, the MSM coverage. still, after having been there for 7 years, i find that hard to believe too.
still in the Urban mafia, tho
Why wouldn't Urban come here?
He has ONE team to beat every year: OSU.
In the SEC (sorry big ten supporters), he has to run the gauntlet every year. This year, for example, his team clearly outplayed LSU but managed to lose.
All Michigan has to do to make this happen is offer him some ungodly amount of money. $4M/year or something. Make it clear he is perceived as the best of the best.
Best of the best of the best...with honors.
Urban Meyer is not coming to A2, nor is Les Miles.
Reality will provide us a lesser-known candidate, which will probably average 7-8 wins/year. On the occassion, we will hit that 9 win mark.
M will now compete with a revitalized IL and MSU.
DanK- 100% agree with that comment. I think BM didnt realize how big this search would be. I can pretty much see through the lines that LM wasnt high up on the list of the search committee, but he should have been above KF at least. Maybe they saw more in Schiano, so i'll take that for what its worth.
Urban Meyer should be up at the very top. Although I havent heard of any "leaks" of him and M talking. I'll take that as both a good and bad thing. I just do not understand how some people are saying this search is getting so underground and not telling anyone anything (like they already have a guy) but then there are leaks about us talking to LM and the many other leaks....
This whole search is a mind fuck. I feel like i have a bunch of ninjas jumping around in my head causing havoc.
I had 3 damn exams yesterday and during my econ final I couldnt stop thinking about the damn coaching search. I was going insane. It was almost like I was ADD to the max
I'm going to find Les Miles on Second Life and see if we can get THE KNOWLEDGE to give him a handjob.
who is professor nash? i know: SPARTY.
THE KNOWLEDGE: I kind of miss him/her/it. Somehow, his/her/its posts were quite distinctive and stylish.
The whole SEC-is-best thing is ridiculous. This is a statement for people who started watching college football within the last two years. In 2003, the Big Ten was the toughest conference in the nation, and it wasn't even close. This wasn't a fluke either. Michigan had a four-game stretch that year against ranked teams, and three of the four were ranked in the top ten. These things are cyclical. The Big Ten has been down for a couple of years, but Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan State are all on the way up. It wasn't long ago that Illinois and Indiana were the only freebies in the conference. Now Minnesota is really the only one. The conference strength arguments are the most overrated and worthless debates out there. The lack of memories of college sports fans amazes me.
I'm sorry, but Sarkisian totally reminds me of Flounder from Animal House, and I'm pretty sure I could take Flounder.
DO. NOT. WANT.
@ DanK
To state BM had not anticipated the effort required, to recruit a "top 10 football coach", is comical. M is known for football. It is the substance that feeds the beautiful minds of thristy football fans.
BM and MSC KNEW this search as important, with $300M in funds to raise. Executing this professional search, in such a poor manner, is costing them $$$. The risks are high, and would have been known in-advance.
i'm still shocked that he didn't get an idea of how big this would be...after having been the AD for 7 years, talking to big $$$$ donors, etc. he's not that dumb. maybe he underestimated the leak potential and how polarized people would be re: miles.
the simple answer is that they never tlaked to Urban (or stoops)...how could they w/o getting that leaked? that's a bigger mindblow than Miles, schiano, KF combined. i'm holding out hope, but man...occams razor tells me i shouldn't.
Nash, but how do you explain the Kf, Schiano, Miles situations? are all these leaks intentional? is it a smokescreen? i'd love to hear a new theory.
Brace for Michigan arrogance.
If we yield protected ourselves against guys like Stoops and Meyer, I will be pissed. This is Michigan. There's no one out there who wouldn't at least consider this job. Not only does it come with all the tradition and history, but it also comes with a very patient and forgiving administration. It's the best of both worlds for a coach. No one should have been eliminated on the basis that he wouldn't take the job. At least not a current college coach.
"you don't seek this job, this job ______"
a. seeks les miles
b. seeks les miles, panics, hires debord.
b. seeks bill martin's attention
c. goes sailing
d. the chimp
e. all of the above
@ Michigan Student
Were you the guy chanting "Les Miles" at the tOSU-M hockey game?
@ Urban Renewal
See if I derive an equilibrium where prevalence is a non-singular event where nobody loses, can you imagine the effect that would have on conflict scenarios, arm negotiations...
@ Dan K
The M coaching search is similar to a disordered, random sequence of events. Within the data points exists an order, which materializes into a pattern, a sense of identity.
Randomness yields a pattern my friend. I believe it may exist in BM's actions, but requires a beautiful mind to identify.
Kinda starting to like the Keeler idea. Good coach with limited resources. But what gets me is how his hire would close our the year (if he wins Saturday).
Utter disgrace - M looses to App State in Sep. Redemption. The other wingbacked helmet guys give App State some payback for their big brothers in their national championship game.
Kind of a good story. He could also bring the Delaware uniforms (they're a bit snazzier than ours).
Gross. I don't want those metallic blue helmets or those royal blue unis. I'll take Keeler, but he can't touch our unis.
NO TO DELAWARE UNIS... they are a vomit blue
@MichiganStudent
Please quit talking about my email. LM. Coach Miles.
I've missed a few threads. What is the MtMM? Can someone actually werite out the long names of all five mafias? I'll check back after my final exam...
GOT TO HAVE THOSE UNIS. They will make all the division 1 teams think they're playing division 2. Gives an added edge. I love them. You guys are boring. Probably don't like the Oregon UNIS either (just kidding).
it was actually delaware that lost to appalachian state. everyone thinks it was michigan because of the unis.
No, Lloyd, you really did fuck up. Keep dreaming though.
@lloyd carr
Get off this thread. You're not welcome here, and by the way, you're a looser!
Topher
MtMM= Miles to Michigan Mafia
Well then, add me to the MtMM as well as the KtMM and HtMM. Finally, I'd like to be the president of the LgtfooMM.
I am so bored....no new rumors or info?????
Let's start Profiles In Cronyism: Debord
Hey Meeechigan Dan: It's Gandhi. You put the 'h' in the wrong place.
LgtfooMM ?
We're fading over here...we need a quick rumor to get things moving again. Anyone? Anyone?
Lloyd get the fuck out of Michigan Mafia, I would assume
BILG and Jamie Mac sure have faded since yesterday's events.
TX
I could make something up if you want. It wouldn't be much different than some of the other posters here.
Good call dang thanx
@wolverine in ma
Whatever it takes, let's get some life back in this party!
Let's think about positive side of Da'bord.......
None
Dantonio is a convicted felon. Hows that?
@MallettFumble
Rumors that relate to the coaching search, please. Good effort, though. You had the right idea.
my sources tell me that debord has been hired as the new head coach at michigan, and that he is bringing in the chimp as his offensive coordinator
LgtfooMM=Lloyd get the f**k out of Michigan Mafia
As discussed in the comments earlier, the next profile in heroism will be Larry Coker.
How about, Boston College HC thinking about Michigan job after beating MSU in Champs Sports Bowl. He is quoted as saying "Beating the Spartans wasn't as big of a challenge as I first thought and I look forward to humiliating them every year in the Big 10.
You want a rumour. How about this. Debord is getting a sex change so that he can fulfill MSC's requirement that the next coach be a woman.
Brian -
If you're listening, here's something that would be very useful: a profile of Bill Martin.
We're a house divided even here on mgoblog. Info on Martin would be useful. What do his colleagues say of him? Those who've done business with him? What's his track record in business and as AD?
Some here think he's the ultimate incompetent, others say he may be orchestrating things very well behind the curtain.
Who is Bill Martin?
rumor is that Jay Paterno is sick of waiting for his dad to retire, and he'll be accepting the job after the bowl game
off topic
Listening to UM's Bball game and they sound like they are doing pretty decent. Too bad I didn't get to see that kind of performance against Harvard a couple weeks ago. Seeing that in person was pathetic.
I had been sticking up for Bill Martin until yesterday. The guy has a great past record, and he's worked a lot of wonders. At this point, though, I find it really hard to defend him. No way this whole charade has been a smokescreen. Too unnecessarily complex. He plain blew it on Miles. Maybe intentionally. But, if that's so, I think a lot of people deserve to know why. I'm still going to withhold judgment until he actually hires someone (and maybe even until after that coach gets to coach a bit), but my faith has diminished significantly.
Complaining about Martin is easy now, but hard in discussing his tenure. He was brought in for one reason, and one reason only: money. No, not because he is cheap, but because Michigan Athletics was losing money, large amounts and fast. In this regard, the one most important in terms of his tenure, he has been a complete success.
Unfortunately, this clouds the clusterf**k that this hiring has been. He made a huge blunder not getting a search firm early on, a group that could have conducted early examinations into potential hires before lloyd resigned, in October/November. Additionally, we would have had someone to answer the phone at all times. 100k tops is a pittance for a well run and conducted search that lacks the public relations snafus synonymous with out current search.
Actually,
I heard that Bobby Petrino is concerned about the lack of support he's recieved thus far by the Arkansas administration and may be looking for a new opportunity.
Is the Mafia I lead now going by KtMM? Why was I not consulted?
Breaking News
My friend at Penn State says the rumor mill in coaching has been relatively quiet, save for the Petrino saga, but who gives a fuck about that douche.
Shiano = no
Payton = no
Miles = no
My buddy Jeff proposed to his gf last night and even she said yes. Nice work Donger.
Why won't people say yes to us at UM?
How about some guy named B. Parcells? Heard he might be interested... He's an upstart coach who supposedly has connections with some awesome DE/OLB named L. Taylor. Supposed to be some prized recruit.
Woo Hoo! The basketball boys just put up 100 pts for the first time since 1998! Maybe we have hope there...
Only way to fix the problem now is to hire a real deal coach like Coker. Fits perfectly with Martin not wanting to pay top dollar. Bring in someone young as an assistant to take over in a few years like Jimbo Fisher at FSU.
Coker will be the coach in Ann Arbor next year.
At Pioneer.
Catch you guys tomorrow.
Sorry to ask a dumb question, but who the hell is M basketball playing this evening? Not alot of coverage down here in Atlanta (where it's still 76 degress by the way-yep rubbing it in, homers).
I hate to put a damper on everyone's "woe is me" parade, but Michigan looked very good against Oakland tonight. >100 points scored, >20 assists for the team, damn near flawless from the line. And Sparty beat OU by 4 points in EL. We won by 16 (a wider margin than halftime). Not saying that means we beat State this year, but Beilein can actually coach. If you have watched any Michigan basketball this year, the kids are starting to "get it." C.J. Lee was awsome tonight, too.
Oakland U!
A Michigan blow out.
103-87 U-M, sorry 'bout that.
Oakland? Lloyd could have beat them.
As I said, Oakland came within 4 of upsetting Sparty in EL. And I don't care who the opponent is, when you have near 30 points from the stripe, more than 100 in a non OT college game and better than 20 team assists, that is a good night. And by the way, to reiterate from above, this is the first time Michigan has scored more than 100 points in a games since 1998. And we have one top-flight blue chipper on the roster.
TBG
Baby steps
As a diversion to this rumor mill,might I suggest ESPN's 16 team football bracket pool which lets you seed the teams, then play it out.
Here's what I've learned -
Florida's churning through most everybody . . . and we're not eligible for selection.
Can't wait for Jan. 1!
This is a football school, son... take your basketball talk somewhere else.
Well, hopefully we're still a football school after this search...
@MalletFumble
Ok, so I'll give you a "go blue", but its in lower case.
F**k it, let's just hire Kige Ramsey. He has his finger of the pulse of college football.
we should all be excited for michigan basketball. beilein has been a success wherever he goes. if you watched the duke game, all you had to see was how we were in it in the first half against a team loaded with top recruits.
look to m basketball for the future. forget all about football. no expectations and a ray of hope makes for a much happier life than dreams of national titles and real 4 loss seasons
This used to be a football school. Now, we are quickly becoming exclusively a hockey school.
(To help us in our search, I mean. Although he might well have coaching potential, too.)
http://www.umich.edu/~newsinfo/R...0/
r080100c.html
http://media.www.michigandaily.c...t-
1415863.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/o...rtin-
usoc_x.htm
@ TrueBlueGeorgia
I respect your opinions. Do you believe any smoke exists between our eyes, and the "true" candidate M seeks?
@ dangdangdang
One must assume that BM will leave Hockey alone.
Changing the subject....
I was in Michigan over the summer with my family. We went to A2 and had lunch at Dominick's (I LOOOOVVVVEEE their Italian Sandwich). From there, I had to drive by the stadium to show my boys (ages 10 and 7-they watch games via satillite with me each football Saturday). My wife could care less-Big Bama fan (so to my benefit, NOT a UM coed). Well, the gate was OPEN! Me and the boys made a run for it, with our football. We made it down to the field and had a great time. They LOVED the big house. And we played ball down on the field for about a half hour. It was July and the temp was around 75 degrees (while about 100 in Atlanta). My older son later told me that he was going to Michigan becuase the weather is so great! I can't bring myself to telling him about November, December, January, February....
Isn't Red close to retirement? Yikes.
Who is Bill MArtin? Very successful businessman. Former interim president of the USOC (cleaned house there after a big scandal) - they begged him to become permanent president. He said "no" to stay at Michigan.
I'll say it again - something about the "BM got stupid and went sailing because he is an idiot" story doesn't sit with the facts (and I'm not talking about the fact that he was in Florida and didn't return the call). The guy is bright. For now, I will assume that whatever spooked him off of Miles was something pretty important. I reserve judgment on the quality of the coaching hire (assuming it is not DeBord or Hoke) until 11/22/2008.
Folks with Rivals account, please go over and read their update.
If its true, Rivals is usually on top of things but whatever.., then Bill Martin needs to be shit canned immediately!I know.. beating a dead horse and what not!!!
Summary....we got nothing!!!! Wait for bowls and then see what happens!!
I'd bet the ranch that this guy is our next Hockey HC:
http://www.mgoblue.com/ice-hocke...o.aspx?
id=42394
Great story TrueBlue
Had a similar situation with my sister and her daughters at Christmas time 4 years ago.
It was great running up and down the field. found some VIP stubs from the UM/OSU 100th game--great souvenirs.
Can't say that I ever remember the stadium being open like that when I was in school there.
Now my sister's daughters are freshman at UM. Hopefully by the time they are seniors we'll be beating OSU at Michigan stadium on a regular basis again.
@Professor Nash
Don't know how to answer that. My standard is Bo. I'm kind of an older timer on this board (was at M from 74-78). My standard for a coach is someone with Bo's toughness and integrity, but has a more modern approach to the game. That's not Debord, or anyone currently associated with the program.
Summary.. LARRY COKER!
No need to wait until after the bowl games for Larry...probably chilling with the Gkids, reading the paper, using his ears to get satellite Tv.
Is the stadium open to the public in the summer?
We were going to be tacky and have some of our wedding pictures taken there.
@Willie Heston
Actually, in my day, they never locked the stadium. We used to play pickup games on the field on Sundays. After one OSU win where the goal post was torn down. We actually went back and got it and carried it back to our house the next day. To this day, it is still the flagpoll in the inner court of my frat house.
Larry Coker would allow the stadium to be open over the summer for wedding pictures.
The stadium is open year-round from Monday to Thursday (9-5 or something like that). It is closed now because it looks more like a war zone than anything else.
@00GoBlue00
They were doing construction, replacing seats and conrcrete. We followed the workers in. As I told my boys... "don't make eye contact"...
"Make it a total surprise. Get a Chuck Martin or a K.C. Keeler or one of those."
...or CRAIG BOHL from North Dakota St!!! Who else is with me?
00goblue00,
I know some people who have snuck in to spend their wedding night there.
The stadium is still open the majority of the time - just not the 2-3 days before a home game (for security reasons). However, that may change with the construction.
Well, I'm out. Nothing happening tonight. Everybody, keep the faith. I'm kinda liking the Keeler idea. But then again, two bottles of wine, and I get pretty agreeable......
Night all....
FRB,
Sounds good to me. At least we know he can beat one Big Ten team.
lmao. we weren't planning on doing that. We just wanted a few pictures taken there in our wedding attire.
I guess it's not open on saturdays though so we can count that out!
00goblue00,
Personally, I can't imagine why anyone would find spending the night on the Michigan 50 line sexy, but I do love your idea. You should do it after your rehearsal earlier in the week!
On the day of 00goblue00's wedding does the MtMM don have to grant us a favor?
Depressed and anxious!
@Ryan-
I just wanted to be obnoxious and go there in my dress.
At the rehearsal you usually don't have the wedding attire on so it would defeat my purpose. I guess if I really wanted to do it bad enough I could call someone and ask them to let me in, for a donation of course (pending who is hired as the coach lol)
Been trying to catch up on a days worth of posts. Is Chunks the Hobo really dead?
dcdave,
The KGM was supposed to have whacked him, however they may have killed a random random hobo who isn't Chunks. We can only pray.
Point: many of the same people now excoriating Lloyd for not waiting until after the bowl game to quit are also suffering apoplexy over the fact that we haven't named a coach, Make up your hysterical behinds.
Point: Brian is pretty hysterical himself. I've admired this blog, but recent assertions that there would be riots if the uffendi du jour was hired (Hoke, Poke, Joke, who the heck knows anymo') are something less than constructive--they almost guarantee that Brian remains a very outsider, probably forever.
Same with this post, which doesn't even bother to assess Grobe. Yep, he's old--two years older than Miles, who (last time I checked) looked pretty much like Grobe. (To some of us progressives, these white guys all look the same.)
Finally, it becomes harder and harder to see how the shrieking negative hysteria here on the inside, among supposed fans, doesn't completely mirror the ugly antagonism outside, from the likes of Doyel. One day Brian will wonder what the heck he was doing even hinting that Petrino deserved a shot; his own freaking Atlanta players are at this moment calling him a piece of crap.
A bit more careful deliberation before the next post, Bri. . . While the central banks of the wealthy nations are busy propping up the ruling class with out money, now openly admitting how close we are to a crash, some of this bedwetting triflesome silliness suggests a certain lack of proportion. . .
TrueBlueGA
There you go again with that "good thing I didn't marry a UM co-ed". Tsk, tsk. My husband did, and he went to MSU! ;-)
Hey True GA Blue - best damn house on campus, christ do we get high...
What are the odds of Mallett sticking around during this fiasco when he can transfer back home to Arkansas and be turned into an almost automatic Heisman candidate by Petrino. Seriously, he must be thinking about it.
Petrino is a tool but one of the top offensive minds in college football. Plus, Mallett would have to learn a new system from whatever coach we hire, and will lose MM and AA here, so why would he not just go to Arkansas?
I just had to take a 4 hr practice test and don't feel like scrolling through all the comments - did I miss anything? Reading between the lines at Rivals sounds like people still have hope for Miles...but I've officially taken the "I won't believe anything until I see someone put on an M hat"
@bleeding blue
I'm back. The kids are down. No offense, but in my day, the pickings were slim!
@eradicator
So, do you you know the handshake? We talkin' 907? If so, boy could I tell you stories...
Mattman - I'm very sorry to say that I agree with your comments. I'd chalk up the irrationality to a difficult 12 months or so since Bo died. How about a return to sanity?
Hey Brian - can't we get a profiles in courage on Grobe?
truebluegeorgia- your house was just off hill street, yes?
It's been said lately that the new coach HAS to keep some of the current staff. This seems ridiculous. A coach who would be qualified is a coach who has been successful. he feels comfortable with his current assistants. he KNOWS he can win with his assitants. Why would a successful coach leave all of his assistants and put his reputation on the line. There's too much money on the line for the coach not to be successful. if he fails with new assistants, he has thrown his whole coaching career down the drain. it's not like Michigan is paying $5M per year where a coach wouldn't care about not bringing his own assistants. i really don't see any option that's not LM, or English or Hoke. sickening.
true blue and eradictor- yes on all points m80 you?
@sigmund phideaux,
You are both correct and are using the house dog's name from my day. In the words of my 10 year old son, YOU ARE FREAKIN ME OUT!!!!
that was my dog too!! what a small world!!
my favorite post on this whole board is
I'll take a few Bud Selects if we are drinkin
Mallett Fumbles Snaps
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
so, sigmund phideaux,
We talking a russian wolfhound or lab? We had a couple house dogs but I believe SP was the latter...
lab/retriever mix- he followed jmft home from the diag one day- had to be near when you graduated=
what the hell does throwing rock mean?
Yep, we are bros. I graduated in 78. I moved to ATL in '89. Was actually on the alumnae board until about that time.
a thought just popped into my head: What if Martin thinks that his legacy is going to be the stadium additions, and that he will be remembered for that regardless of what coach he hires - maybe his heart's not completely in it (see: sailing)?
Just a thought
Of all people, you should know, Tom Osborne...you were known to throw A LOT of rock in your day...
hey Sigmund phideaux,
send me a note at truebluegeorgia@earthlink.net
then we know each other - i was hoh 1982- i'm in chicago- another bro you would know- dr. watson is in atlanta now as well.
see my prior post. don't know of any other atl bros, but it would be cool to catch up. send me a note
Hire Rich Rod!!!
Terrelle Pryor will be our quarterback next season.
On Bill Martin:
We've heard that there are big big donors on both sides of the Miles question, and the politics hammering the AD are enormous.
If true - just if - then Martin would be in an incredibly difficult spot. He needs all the big donors he has, now more than ever.
The search committee seems like a fiasco, right? Others have quietly, and quickly, done their business and hired their guys. We're plodding along.
What if - just what if - Martin has used the search committee, and "the process" to good, indirect ends?
What if some big donors told him "hire Miles or else." And other big donors told him "do NOT hire Miles, or else."
What would you do?
I am NOT saying Martin has handled this well. It's been a PR disaster. I'm really unhappy about it all.
But what if?
"The search goes on. Somebody else will be Michigan's coach. The Free Press article that uncovered a phone call between Michigan Athletic Director Bill Martin and President Mary Sue Coleman proved to be the death blow. I am convinced the story was a plant by somebody who did not want Miles to be Michigan's next coach.
When all was said and done Miles is not the Michigan coach because of politics and back room dirty pool. Despite what the LSU Minister of Information Skip Bertman says, Miles wanted to replace Lloyd Carr as Michigan's head coach."
http://info.detnews.com/redesign...rblog/
index.cfm
Jason Carr is now a candidate according to Angelique at the News.
Where is BILG?
True Blue GA and Sigmund Phideaux - I lived at 907 from 1992-94. I'm out in the San Francisco area now.
eradicator- you are a puppy! but it's good to hear from you! bsl and send a note to true blue - i'm sure it will make it's way to me.
Anyone have a rivals account? What are the pay sites saying?
Just for fun:
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/se...-les-
miles.html
These people are as crazy as us!
the only good hobo is a dead hobo
Just a reference check to put things in perspective:
http://collegefootball.rivals.co...1144&
CID=741148
Note M's search is the earliest on record, yet still remains unfilled with no finalist(s) identified.
We are being led by a Ship of Fools. . .
@Michigan Student,
They're still leaving the door open on Miles...FWIW, there is a big picture of Saban on the coaching update where they hint that Miles is still in play. Other than that, no other names
Sigmund Phideaux - It always surprises me that old folks know how to use the internets too. ;) Always great to cross paths with brus. BSL to you too!
check that - there WAS a picture of Saban up. hahaha
ATL BLue- thanks for the info, I appreciate it. I mean, technically LM is not out of the discussion yet, but to be honest he is. I still hold onto hope, but that is basically all it will amount to.
I have said this a thousand times, along with many others...."I will only believe what i hear when I see that guy put on the block M and give his press conference as our new coach"
Guys, this LM thing still really stinks to me. Honestly, why aren't we pursuing anybody. Look at Ar-Kansas...they have a coach already and we don't? A football power like Michigan should be able to get pretty much whomever they want, or at least a damn-strong coach.
The lack of activity must make you guys wonder, or am I the only one?
What do we think that Brian is doing these days? His posts are clearly substandard and done to post something in as quick a fashion as possible. He isn't posting as much on the fanhouse. Something's up.
Do you think he is actively turning into an investigative reporter? Working to find the latest info:
Or does his recent fame have him distracted with other events? It is very hard to continue after success starts. Call it second album syndrome.
I love what he does, but he should be all over this with analysis. Instead he is writing as if he were writing on the boards.
It's his blog so he can write what he wants. I'm just wondering why the fall off during the most important chance of his career. He clearly must know that this is the most traffic he has ever seen, and this is his chance to become the premier source of Michigan information independent of media. We do not come here for a scoop. We come here for the analysis.
Just wondering if anyone had a guess at where he might be?
@ Jeff:
You guess is as good as mine.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NwVIgn5KmSA
Enough said.
@ Mike,
Am I wrong in sensing at least a slow down? He used to post 4 times a day when nothing was happening.
Maybe he's onto his masterpiece.
Jeff:
I'm not sure, that's a good question. I find it hard to believe he would neglect mgoblog and he alma matter's coaching search, but I guess it's possible.
......fill me in people.
Can we please stop talking about Miles. Christ.
Iiiiiii'm sailing a-way........
@ Les Miserables,
You missed absolutely nothing. Worst thread of the year. Nothing of substance (much like the posts)
This coach search will drive me crazy.
I can totally see the comparison between Miles and Christ.
Both a savior to the people. Will deliver us from evil, etc.
If I hear one more thing about Marvin Lewis I'm going to put myself in jail.
@Jeff - you say it WILL drive you crazy...it hasn't already?
Gingel - lol.
So according to Rivals this seach has gone underground, what they are hearing
Grobe - wont come as he wont retain some coaches Michigan insists have to stay on...
Tedford - no interest
Kelly - really no interest
Miles- 99.9% done
the deleware coach, pure fiction
so basically every name you could mention they debunked as a candidate, and said they know of no others, which is ludicris to say the least. I think its likely we wait until after the bowls now.
so......we are back to pinkel, o'brien, marvin lewis, and hoke? great fucking news.
bud select? that is piss water.
@Les Mis:
I said that this slow down recently could mean that something is wrapped up. I say, why the hell would Miles contact us about getting a good coach? That is crap and I don't believe it for a second. Also, since ArKansas has a coach and we aren't really moving on anybody, it seems as though something has already happened.
where ever happenede to the dude from GVSU? no chance, huh?
@ ATL BLue,
I will say that it has driven me crazy already but I feel much better for some reason that a coach like Rich Rodriguez is out there. I don't understand why we wouldn't just name the law school after him, dump truck loads of money on his front lawn, and be done with this. at least I feel that we have this option if we chose to take it.
Mike - if Miles comes to Michigan it would be a complete joke now after what he has said - it would be worse than what Saban and/or Petrino did.
Mike- I totally agree that LM most definitly did not talk to BM and MSC to be nice and help us with our search. He is probably the busiest man in college football right now (prepare team for NC, family, deal with M, deal with LSU, recruit, talk to the media, etc) My head would explode. So, there is no freaking way that he talked to us just to help us out.
But who knows, maybe he did? HA! There are so many scenarios that could play out and that you could make up.
I just wish I could time warp myself to when we have a coach and come back and let ya guys know. I think we all would be more sane
Rodridguez has no interest, just signed a long extension, and is a WVU alum. Yeah, good fall back plan.
@ Chris
An interesting board from LSU fans. They seem very nervous about LM leaving them. Once bitten twice shy?
@ gmb
Either a candidate is being solidified, or we are lost at sea. I see a pattern emerging here.
quick note, if you do not want loud ass farts that totally stink - do not eat split pea soup for lunch.
Dear: BILG, TX Wolverine, True Blue, Les Miserables, Michigan Student, et. al,.
Thank you for stopping by for your group session this morning. My preliminary diagnosis is as follows:
Although somewhat rare, each of you has been classified with all of the following: PSYCHOSIS, SCHIZOPHRENIA, and MASOCHISM.
Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality."
Schizophrenia makes it hard for people to do certain things: They may not be able to think clearly; They may not know the difference between what is real and what is not real; They may have trouble managing emotions.
MASOCHISM: Gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself.
I look forward to a long and productive treatment process.
@ Les,
You mean his extension which bumped his salary from 800K to 1 Million. How could we ever compete with that?
It is such a long term extension, there are even two more years on it.
i don't think there's anyway miles is coming; however, it would not be worse than saban or petrino. what do you expect him to say? i think he's lying about what the conversation was about, but telling the truth that he's staying. we will not know until we have a coach. stop losing sleep over it.
les mis...and I didn't think I could feel any worse than following this coaching search debacle...
Dear Tx Wolverine, Chicken Little, etc.
My dears, apparently you missed my show on the blockbuster best seller “The Secret”
The gist of “The Secret” is that the mind is extraordinary! The more you visualize something occurring, the more likely it is to actually occur.
I am very concerned about your constant (incessant?) visualization of Michigan ending up with a lousy coach and/or that Michigan is not an elite program. Don’t you realize that every time you even think about this (let alone submit it in writing on a blog!) you help ensure these terrible outcomes?
The Secret: Visualize Michigan getting a great coach! Visualize Michigan getting Les Miles as the coach! Visualize Michigan wining the MNC!
If you do, then it will happen. If you continue in your current vein (to quote the hockey gods); IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT, IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT, IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT.
Sincerely,
Oprah Winfrey
"The far more likely scenario is that Michigan is doing everything possible to avoid further embarassment. It's one thing when a national championship caliber coach from a school that's won the mythical national championship turns you down, but it gets downright embarassing when the Rutgers coach dismisses you."
http://community.foxsports.com/
b...ment_to_the_SEC
"I will be the coach NEXT year at LSU" -miles has said it at least twice now, once on national TV. If he comes, he's a total liar.
Why not just - "no comment"?
Rodriguez's contract has the following clause:
Rich Rodriguez' new deal pays $10,000 if West Virginia sells 30,000 season tickets; $20,000 for 35,000 tickets; and $30,000 for 40,000 tickets.
Your telling me we can't compete with this? Is this a high school in Texas or a national program.
anything with fox in front of it instantly loses all credibility.
Where did we learn that Tedford has no interest?
Don't worry folks. We'll have good stuff in a day or two. Trust me.
There is a very quit rumor emerging that there are two candidates that Martin has talked to that want the job, both are in big bowls and want it to happen after their games.
Now this makes some sense, if Shiano was the number 1 guy and it did not work out then Miles is waiting for his second choice, obviously the fans had Miles #1. This would mirror what Martin did with Beilein. He had a mutual interest agreement and it would take place after the NIT, and it did.
People want to say Martin is dumb and has no candidates and is clueless, bullshit. Petrino called Michigan and they without hesitating said no thanks, does that sound desperate.
The fans have zero patience which is understandable, this is frustrating but I have a feeling we will get a very good coach and it will not be some luck hire.
I understand that it would be completely messed up if he did come here, but what is he supposed to says if he was? Think about it...
Per rivals Cal contacts Tedford has not been contacted and has no interest in moving. strong family ties in bay area biggest reason.
@ gmb:
I seriously think we're locked up on somebody. It would make complete sense, I mean these people are obviously good at what they do. Let's face it, we probably aren't smarter than they are in these situations. (I hope)
Miles is not going to be the next UM coach, but gmb is right on. These people are not stupid, and believe me, every single university president in the country knows how important football is to the health of the school. It's the first thing you hear about at faculty senate meetings etc. Support the sports.
chadwick........and Schiano makes less the him. LOL. Some times it ain't about the money man. Schiano is going to Penn State anyway.
why not say "no comment" because everyone would read that as "yes, i'm coming". the delaware ad said "no comment" what does this board think- we must have talked to him. hell, he says "i'll be the coach next season" and people still don't leave it alone.
the lsu ad is the stupid one for not making the buyout $10 million for the next few years. that might have shut everyone up.
@ gmb
"Big bowls"? New Years Day? BCS?
WVU coach, making way more than a million.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/ne...ov=ap&
type=lgns
the gas is coming again. oh my god.....
@ Les,
He clearly has ties to West Virginia. However, it was not a long term extension that he signed (2 more years):
AND the sticking point over his salary last year was his wanting to negotiate DOWN his 2 million dollar buyout.
He isn't making much money. He almost left last year. Tried to negotiate down his buyout. I don't see him as unobtainable. He has strong ties to his alma mater, but so do other people who have changed thier mind recently. Your negativity is clousing your vision.
Details -
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/0.../701090-
144.stm
A "big bowl" to me is New Years Day bowl.
refresh?
Big bowl=Rose Bowl
Big balls=Les Miles
gmb:
If that rumor has any truth to it, sounds like we're waiting for someone from the following group:
Tuberville
Pinkel
Richt
Leach
Rodriguez
Meyer
Not a bad crowd!
i smoked some "big bowls" back in the day...
When it was going down at Alabama, Rodriguez's wife kept coming into play. She seemed like the deciding factor in keeping them at WVU.
@ gmb
Missouri, Virgina, or Hawaii I see as candidates.
Pinkel seems like the most likely of that bunch. Tuberville no way.
@ Les,
Looks we have conflicting information. Yours is more recent, so you are right. This admittedly makes it more difficult.
Geez, I hate to inject "Real Facts" into a blog, but, what the hell.
For all those "Chicken Littles" -- the sky is falling. FedExers -- "We're doomed", etc.
What the F is your criteria for an "elite program"?
Here are the facts:
M over the last 5, 10, 15, 20 year time spans (cumulative):
5 years: .730%, 2 Conference Titles, 0 MNC
10 Years: .740%, 4 CT, 0 MNC
15 Yrs: .740, 5 CT, 1 MNC
20 Yrs: .763, 10 CT, 1 MNC
LSU:
5 Yrs: .850, CT 2, MNC 1
10: .700, 3 CT, 3 MNC
15: .676, 3 CT, 3 MNC
20: .618 3CT, 3 MNC
osu:
5 Yrs: .840, 3 CT, 1 MNC
10 Yrs: .789, 6 CT, 1 MNC
15 Yrs: .800, 8 CT, 1 MNC
20 Yrs: .759, 9 CT, 1 MNC
So, unless your definition of an "elite program" is "no matter how much you have sucked for the past 20, 40, or 80 years, if you managed to put 5 years of good results together, you are an elite program", GIVE ME SOME DATA TO BACKUP ALL YOUR RHETORIC!
.
@ Grew Up in A2
You forgot Miles.
tuberville just signed an extension - out.
richt - never heard anything
rodriguez - just signed an extension -see tuberville.
meyer - LOL.
leaves hoke, pinkel, marvin lewis, and tom o'brien.
@enjoy life,
What's your point? Can't figure it out. I'm a dummy.
@ Les
I have a hard time with 2 coaches in "big bowls" wanting the job, based on who is coaching in "big bowls". Hell, Les would be 1 of the 2 in my book.
I don't see why Rodriguez built in a buyout which diminishes over time. (4 million this year, 2 million next year, and 1 million after 2011). This is reportedly what made the delay in the signing of the new contract.
I don't think that the alma mater issue is as important as everyone makes it out. Looks like he has his eyes up, just in case.
2 coaches in big bowls...could be sarkisian
all i know is this - the vest has taken ohio state 3 times to the title game in 7 years. we cannot even sniff something like that.
yeah, that alma mater thing really worked on miles.
I just heard both of these coaches were in a major bowl so I assumed it was at least the capital one bowl...(not implying its meyer, thought its not impossible).
I heard this a week ago, heard it again today. The rivals update was very strange, no new candidates but every viable candidate is not likely.
hoke, english or deboard wont be the coach here and thats all they had left.
@Marvin:
Give me data that says someone (anyone) has better "STATISTICAL" results than M over a meaningful period (like 10-20 years and I'll consider comments about the program being in "serious decline".
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OK. Last comment and I am done.
Let's say that we were willing to go to 3 million a year for Miles. And only have to go to 2 to 2.5 million a year for Rodriguez (a significant raise from 1.4 million). The 4 million buyout is then a wash. Over a 5 year contract, this works out fine.
There are alot of ifs, but if we have finally decided that we need to throw out big dollars then any contract can be overcome.
That's it for me.
@LesMiserables
So, the last 7 years is all that counts??????????????????
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Enjoy Life - you've drank way too much kool aid. yeah, if you like going 9-3 every year, then we are great. we've won 1/2 a fucking title in 50 years.
Personally, I like RichRod (young, innovative coach; extension is meaningless since still underpaid for a big-time HC and WVU is too poor to pony up).
Now if Meyer would come and bring Tebow with him (sit out a year and then win 2nd Heisman as a senior), that would be sweet!
All seriousness aside, I do believe there are very secret contacts going on with some big names (likely initiated by them!) which is why the continuing Miles talk is a great way to keep the media morons occupied. Expect the lid to be kept on until right before the presser in early Jan.
@Enjoy Life,
I see. I agree with you. I initially thought you were saying that Michigan was a sort of blowhard with no data to back it up.
enjoy - no.........but it's the START of the decline.....it has to start some where.....
Look, we're obviously looking at someone big.
My friend is Bill Martin's first mate. He says it's Tressel for $100 and a pack of menthol cigarettes.
i agree with the sarkisian comment...doesn't have to be a HEAD coach...that'd be sweeeettt
i guess we should have just kept carr.
No decline coming. If we keep that Martin kid we're in like Flynn. He's a beast.
Guess it's prety safe to say he won't know until after all the bowl games are done. Still, all the Miles stuff is bizarre....
Perhaps another big name coach?
what is sooo funny about RR is that if he was our hire out of clemson as he was for WVU this board would be up in arms.
gmb,
If they're all out we're looking at the unlikely candidates (Meyer) and the unsatisfying ones (Trgovac).
I can't believe this keeps dragging on and we aren't hearing any valid new information. This is taking forever.
OK, blogs are great for everyone to state their opinions.
But, I gave you my data. Now, give me yours -- what statistics tell you that M is NOT an elite program?
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Is your county jail pretty big? Get ready for party time baaaaaaybee.
We are, it's pretty damn clear. The only thing that could be better are more NCs
MILES TURN US DOWN
I AM THE BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH
NO ONE HEARS YOUR SCREAMS
Life - ok, here's one. Michigan State has more titles than us in the last 50 years.
Want another one?
what the hell is that arkansas chant? thats prob the gayest thing ever...even worst that the wave at the big house when everyone slows down and sounds like they are retarded because they believe that they should slow down their voices too....
not to mention the maize rage is probably the gayest student section in the history of college sports
at least our hockey fans are legit
Could all the Miles stuff be a smokescreen for somebody else?
I think you missed what I was saying, the unlikely candidate might just be more likely then you think....go back to the basketball search when all the young assistants at the mid majors, like Licklighter were getting gobbled up and everyone was like "Michigan basketball is not an elite job, no one wants it" yet Martin had a plan and we get probably the best game planner and technician in basketball in Beilein.
@ gmb,
I feel that you are right (and hope even more). Who do you think though? And you get an extra bonus for saying Rodriguez.
Mike,
I know this much, Martin never wanted Miles or he would be here so smokescreen does make some sense.
@LesMiserables
So why does everyone use the term MNC with the operative word being "Mythical"
And, why pick 50 years? Because, if you pick any other time period your statistics crash and burn?
I repeat, what is your criteria (i.e. how many years in a row represents an elite program and compare REAL records).
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Beilein is starting to change this program around too.....NOT (ahem Harvard), michigan basketball, sad to say, will never be as good as the glory days.
even if phil jackson came and coached us
gmb:
So if Martin didn't want Miles, don't you think he would be really pissed off? If so, why the hell would he be "helping" us with a coaching search if we screwed him?
Wow. Billymartinismyidol wins the award for worst comment in the worst thread.
@ Enjoy Life:
You go girl (dude?). Talk is cheap. Give me some data to back it up!
we got turned down by the coach of rutgers.......want any more proof?
Isn't there an tOSU coach worth poaching?
@ Les:
Did you even think we didn't really offer him? He also turned down Miami, who is an elite football program.
@ Mike,
What if Miles really does like it at LSU and finds himself in a good situation. And he wants to help us out and discuss the situation becuase he does love Michigan.
Any other year and Miles takes our position, but national championships are the reason that you coach. How do you do anything that screws up your chance at the pinnacle?
I just think he is happy where he is, longs to coach us, but this is worst timing you coudl think of.
RR has a pretty massive buyout but I like him, and he DID call Michgian with interest in the job during the season (the lloyd carr retiring was no secret).
I would bet on three names and laugh all you want but they make the most sense
stoops, meyer, rodriguez....all three fit the criteria martin was looking for. stoops is the least likely, followed by meyer.
What I want is a solid recruiter and a leader, get some solid assistants and you have a winning formula. I dont think Michigan has had a good coaching "tree" the past decade. I am open to a lesser name if they fit that profile.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bo...ht&
lid=tab2pos1
Anybody checked this out yet (sorry if this is a repost)? One time I ran it and Virginia beat LSU in the first round.
why not me ??????
if you want to talk ancient history, sure UM is elite. Right now, I can think of at least 6 programs that are more elite.
oklahoma
usc
ohio state
texas
lsu
florida
miami was elite, as was michigan in the early 1900's
@Les Meserables:
That was an opinion --not fact. My opinion, Rutgers coach turned us down because they know M is an elite program and they can't take the pressure.
See how easy that was. But, of course, it is BS, it is still only an opinion.
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@ Jeff:
If he really wanted to come to UM, he could have just said "I am not talking about going to any other schools, I have to prepare my teams for this huge game. There's no way I'm thinking about Michigan right now."
Something to that effect. Just my 2 cents. You could be right though.
This search is so bipolar. I'm really sick of it.I'm really getting sick of a lot of our fans, too. Some of you believe EVERY single report you read. Your opinions jump from "Lynch Martin" to "I believe in the plan" everytime some Rivals hack mentions that Tommy Tuberville might possible but probably no be talked about.
It's moronic to debate whether or not Michigan is "elite." Drop that thread. It's embarrassing for you.
Life - ok he didn't turn as down. pull off the blinders dude.
Starting to think that the unusually slow Michigan "process" is beginning to work in our favor.
I sense that some "big boys" are starting to realize that being HC at UM would be DIFFERENT: great tradition of both winning and integrity, national recruiting base, in top 2 or 3 of BCS league every year, win a NC and be set for 15-20 years.
This is appealing to a certain kind of man who appreciates that excellence is the true objective from which success inevitably arises.
@LesMiserables:
I gave you statistics for M, LSU, osu: Back up your claim (OPINION).
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@ gmb,
I love your plan. However, when has a succesful coach at a top university ever made a lateral move. BCS to BCS move after a succesful season. I want to believe, I really do. Show me the way and I will jump on the bandwagon.
Les:
Your list is based upon the last 4-5 years it seems. Miami is elite, there's no doubt about it. What about OSU's 7-5 season. Were they not elite that season?
@Whoever:
Are you guy nuts? Answer "Enjoy Life" with facts or shut the fuck up.
Your approach "attack the messenger" rather than the message just proves the MESSAGE IS CORRECT!
@ Ryan:
Yes, some jump to conclusions very quickly, but how can you blame them. UM football is pretty important to a lot of people
here is the difference - you are happy with 9-3 every year and playing and losing in the rose bowl every few years.
Me - I want to conetend for the national title at least every 3-4 years. winning 75 percent of your games doesn't make you elite IMHO.
CHAOS REINS WITHIN
REPENT & VISUALIZE
ORDER SHALL RETURN
Jeff,
It really never happens so that is why its so difficult. I mean Cooper left ASU for OSU but thats a step up.
please stop even mentioning meyer, its just stupid, beleive me if we offered meyer 10 mil/yr, fla. would give him 15
Ohio State's been to the title game 3 out of 7 years - THAT IS FUCKING ELITE.
get it?
Enjoy Life,
Elite to whom? To the media and fans? Yes we are.
To coaches? Only maybe.
@ Les:
Yes, contending for a NC is the missing piece, you are correct there.
Les,
Michigan easily fits with those programs, we actually have had great success the past few years, just lost key games. I dont see how Michigan is below those programs you listed, on par with them.
I think the best jobs are
Texas
OSU
USC
Florida
Florida State
really those are the easiest places to win. Texas has sick money.
Ball State was pretty elite this year. I hope you hire me!!
@ Grew up in A2,
I see your point, though this will definitely be a minority opinion. We will wait and have confidence. Not rush and look desperate. Jumping ship looks bad, ala arkansas and Petrino. Rushing to hire someone and not having a process also looks bad, ala Mississippi. We need these examples to blow up and we will look even better in the process.
We will handle it the right way. Interview a minority candidate. (Hopefully hire one in Rich Rod). Wait until after the bowls to approach people and this will make up for the fiasco that was the Herbstriet announcement/ Miles press conference.
Here's hoping. It's hard but I still have faith.
So, the one and only criteria for an elite program is the MYTHICAL national championship?
And, just for the last 10 years?
Well what about me?
Hello friends,
Well, nice to be back here in the "Area 51" of the Michigan fanbase where speculation, rumor, vitriol and apparent self-loathing have taken over. Welcome trolls, you're continued presence (and the continued national media coverage) simply re-affirm the block M relevance and over-arching influence that it wields. Indeed friends, we remain the measuring stick and the program against which any other is ultimately judged.
I have been enjoying the commentary; particularly that related to the ongoing concern about immediately naming a head coach. Also interesting has been this perpetual preoccupation with inherent decline like "we are the new Nebraska". The whole elite/not elite thing is just a joke. Dammit friends, all time most winning program, highest winning percentage, most big 10 titles, Big House, dominant over Ohio State (the vest isn't winning the next 20, so ease up a little we got them covered). Since when were MNC the defining criteria? Since Fox Sports and the BCS started their television deal? We know how tremendously the B(C)S has worked out.
Thinking about that first point, the naming of the head coach with immediacy. What is the concern that "everybody else has completed their hiring already". Indeed, has the level of self-loathing become so great that some of you have developed an inferiority complex? Damn, go out people, enjoy a meal, drink some Merlot, talk to others, play with your kids. If you still feel the same way then it's time for you to go; little brother needs some new support. Dammit, you're UM fans (a few of you alumni, perhaps even donors) and UM fans are nothing if not cocksure, arrogant and condescending...be who you are. As I have said in previous posts, I'll wait until January to see who they hire and then decide on my role as a donor. UM wants your (and my ) money and they need to make a reasonable hire to finance $300 million in improvements...so stop worrying about Hoke or his ilk.
The preoccupation with decline is interesting but, related to the points noted immediately above regarding the need to maintain success to maintain funding it is obviously *imperative* that BM and MSC make a reasonable hire. This is simple logic but I fear that the hyperbole and self-loathing/diminished self-esteem that the Appy State hangover has caused is limiting all logical thought at this point. Indeed, Bill Martin and the AD would do well to go underground, make no comment and then pop up like the groundhog on groundhog day about 1 month early to announce a new head coach...if only to give the fans on the boards a rest from their foment.
Finally the Petrino/Grobe thing. Brian, I like your work on here but that profile is harsh. Grobe is winning at a fcuking golf school (a very good, elite academic golf school) but a *golf* school where basketball has been the historic #2. Give him his due. Now Petrino is a piece of work and if the admin. turned him down then good for them; I would not want
i still cant beleive no one will call me, dont you remember how i exposed morgan trent in the rose bowl last year.... no wonder you cant get a coalch !!
Mike,
We hardly ever engage in debate over named candidates. We did today over Keeler, we did last night over RichRod and Trgovac, we have over Grobe. That's wonderful.
When we start to get all "OMFG ITS HOKE" or "Some random guy on Scout said our next head coach might have once coached a school at a school in Ohio- OMFG ITZ TOTALLY URBAN MEYER/JIM TRESSEL/PETE CARROLL!" this whole thing gets retarded.
Ball State = Balls Taint
Listen peopel......if we are doing do god damn well, why are we in the search for a coach right now? LC just didn't retire for the hell of it.
We've had great success, but we've just lost a few key games. LOL. Yeah, like 6 out of 7 to ohio state, getting blown out last year in the rose bowl. Getting blown out this year in the capital one "whats in your
wallet" bowl by Floriday.
0-8 - v. ohio state and in bowls the last 4 years. Hell yeah! we are just doing so well.
@ clarkiefromcanada
Welcome, a voice of sanity.
Repost:
Dear: BILG, TX Wolverine, True Blue, Les Miserables, Michigan Student, et. al,.
Thank you for stopping by for your group session this morning. My preliminary diagnosis is as follows:
Although somewhat rare, each of you has been classified with all of the following: PSYCHOSIS, SCHIZOPHRENIA, and MASOCHISM.
Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality."
Schizophrenia makes it hard for people to do certain things: They may not be able to think clearly; They may not know the difference between what is real and what is not real; They may have trouble managing emotions.
MASOCHISM: Gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself.
I look forward to a long and productive treatment process.
Want to know why we aren't elite?
OUR GREATEST HEAD COACH NEVER WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
God.
"For Schiano to turn the job down there has to be something wrong with someone."
????
Why in hell would someone who resurrected a 130-year old dead program to one 10-3 season want to double his salary and endure the agony of near-greatness, but always a step behind the best?
Again, sorry, but you are your own worst enemy and have created a monster. The difference between $1.5 million at Rutgers and $3 million at Michigan: SANITY.
Priorities, Yellow Bellies... priorities.
I leave you to figure it out. You haven't yet.
Hire Brian Kelly and be done with it. Dammit.
What's this Grobe or Hoke crap? Stop putzing around and hire someone who is clearly the right guy for the future of UM football: Brian Kelly.
Idiots. And I thought UM was for smart people.
ecause many of the things I'm about to say regarding Lloyd Carr have already been beaten into the ground, I will try to keep this letter short. With this letter, I hope to dole out acerbic criticism of Carr and his phalanx of obdurate confreres. But first, I would like to make the following introductory remark: I will dedicate the rest of my life to my efforts to empower the oppressed to control their own lives. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that I am sick of hearing him intone with an authority reminiscent of Moses descending Sinai that we should avoid personal responsibility. No joke. So far, this letter has merely identified the ways in which he governs his mercenaries with a dictatorial and brutal fist, forcing them to feed us a diet of robbery, murder, violence, and all other manner of trials and tribulations. Now, let me shift gears and start telling you about how when his insensate utterances are translated into plain, words-mean-things English, Carr appears to be saying that the ancient Egyptians used psychic powers to build the pyramids. For me, this conceited moonshine serves only to emphasize how if Carr gets his way, we will soon be engulfed in a Dark Age of antidisestablishmentarianism and indescribable horror. That's why I'm telling you that he is not interested in what is true and what is false or in what is good and what is evil. In fact, those distinctions have no meaning to him whatsoever. The only thing that has any meaning to Carr is despotism. Why? The answer is obvious if you understand that if one believes statements like, "Carr understands the difference between civilization and savagery," one is, in effect, supporting foul-mouthed roustabouts. Carr's bootlickers perpetrate all kinds of atrocities while alleging that they are simply not capable of such activities and that therefore, the atrocities must be the product of my and your feverish and overworked imaginations. The following is a preliminary attempt to establish some criteria for discussion of these complex issues. To begin with, if Carr doesn't like it here, then perhaps he should go elsewhere.
You may find it amusing or even titillating to read about Carr's vaporings, but they're not amusing to me. They're deeply troubling. If the left of the current political spectrum is revolting voyeurism, and the right is infernal opportunism, then Carr's politics are indisputably going to be a form of inaniloquent faddism.
The downward spiral of society and the concomitant growing threat of classism are the natural results of Carr's unsavory holier-than-thou attitudes, and that's one reason why I'm writing this letter. If the past is any indication of the future, Carr will once again attempt to do away with intellectual honesty. But don't despair. Rather, take comfort in the knowledge that the only weapons he has in his intellectual arsenal are book burning, brainwashing, and intimidation. That's all he has
I am more than willing to admit that M is NOT an elite program. But, NOT based on mere unsubstantiated opinion when any data proves the opposite.
Just like " clarkiefromcanada" give us some data to back up the "chicken little" (the sky is falling).
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@ Ryan,
Speak it brother. I like the late night discussions of candidates, etc... Less hyperbole, more discussion.
Except if you were to discuss the "elite" issue. This is a dead horse IMO. There is no way to answer becuase it is completely based on perspective. If you are in school right now, there is no way you can feel that we are elite. If you are out of school and have seen many ups and downs, this one is not a big deal.
Let the young ones have thier cliffs to jump off. I was there with Moeller. I thought our program was over. I was talked off a ledge after the Penn State demolishing with Kerry Collins. I thought that this was the end as we knew it.
Because many of the things I'm about to say regarding Lloyd Carr have already been beaten into the ground, I will try to keep this letter short. With this letter, I hope to dole out acerbic criticism of Carr and his phalanx of obdurate confreres. But first, I would like to make the following introductory remark: I will dedicate the rest of my life to my efforts to empower the oppressed to control their own lives. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that I am sick of hearing him intone with an authority reminiscent of Moses descending Sinai that we should avoid personal responsibility. No joke. So far, this letter has merely identified the ways in which he governs his mercenaries with a dictatorial and brutal fist, forcing them to feed us a diet of robbery, murder, violence, and all other manner of trials and tribulations. Now, let me shift gears and start telling you about how when his insensate utterances are translated into plain, words-mean-things English, Carr appears to be saying that the ancient Egyptians used psychic powers to build the pyramids. For me, this conceited moonshine serves only to emphasize how if Carr gets his way, we will soon be engulfed in a Dark Age of antidisestablishmentarianism and indescribable horror. That's why I'm telling you that he is not interested in what is true and what is false or in what is good and what is evil. In fact, those distinctions have no meaning to him whatsoever. The only thing that has any meaning to Carr is despotism. Why? The answer is obvious if you understand that if one believes statements like, "Carr understands the difference between civilization and savagery," one is, in effect, supporting foul-mouthed roustabouts. Carr's bootlickers perpetrate all kinds of atrocities while alleging that they are simply not capable of such activities and that therefore, the atrocities must be the product of my and your feverish and overworked imaginations. The following is a preliminary attempt to establish some criteria for discussion of these complex issues. To begin with, if Carr doesn't like it here, then perhaps he should go elsewhere.
You may find it amusing or even titillating to read about Carr's vaporings, but they're not amusing to me. They're deeply troubling. If the left of the current political spectrum is revolting voyeurism, and the right is infernal opportunism, then Carr's politics are indisputably going to be a form of inaniloquent faddism.
The downward spiral of society and the concomitant growing threat of classism are the natural results of Carr's unsavory holier-than-thou attitudes, and that's one reason why I'm writing this letter. If the past is any indication of the future, Carr will once again attempt to do away with intellectual honesty. But don't despair. Rather, take comfort in the knowledge that the only weapons he has in his intellectual arsenal are book burning, brainwashing, and intimidation. That's all he ha
For the doubters, among coaches, Michigan is the first or second job in all of football. Period. Facilities. Long serving coaches who are revered by fans base despite no nat'l championships. Administration support. Storied history. Easy to recruit. Helmets!
The only thing that we are missing lately is the top of the line salary. Borden has said that we are going to be competitive salary.
And, as far as Miles. He's done. Over and out. It wasn't a smoke screen by Michigan. It was a campaign by Miles, and he tried to tight walk his desire for the job with the love for his team. In the end, Michigan told him he was not a serious candidate.
Jeff,
You're right: a lateral move by an elite BCS HC has never happened; that's why Miles was such an intriguing anomaly (to him nothing was equivalent to UM except, apparently, coaching for the NC).
If in one's own mind/heart it's a step up, money is not the primary concern (as long as it's fair). Just pondering whether anyone else on the elite/near-elite leel feels that way about the UM job (regardless of what fans think).
@ Alum:
Dude, what are you talking about?
Hey, it's the little turd here. How are you guys?
@Fat Bastard:
Amen!!!!
@Fat Bastard
I agree.
LM,
are you a troll?
"LC just didn't retire for the hell of it"
you know he has health issues and wanted to retire last year....
My letter to MSC:
I'm sorry, but I just can't avoid talking about Michigan Football. But before I continue, allow me to explain that Michigan Football's flunkies contend that children should get into cars with strangers who wave lots of yummy candy at them. This is precisely the non-equation that Michigan Football is trying to patch together. What it's missing, as usual, is that the tone of its analects is eerily reminiscent of that of passive-aggressive savages of the late 1940s, in the sense that its proxies have been staggering around like punch-drunk fighters hit too many times -- stunned, confused, betrayed, and trying desperately to rationalize its bad-tempered hastily mounted campaigns. It is not a pretty sight. I wouldn't even mention that in my speaking engagements, I have found in audience questions an alarming increase in concern about yawping devotees of conspiracy theories if it weren't decidedly true. Michigan Football is always prating about how hanging out with what I call vitriolic, self-deceiving fussbudgets is a wonderful, culturally enriching experience. (It used to say that we have too much freedom, but the evidence is too contrary, so it's given up on that score.) To restate the obvious: Michigan Football's vassals are unified under a common goal. That goal is to force us to experience the full spectrum of the Michigan Football Rainbow of Classism. To some extent, some people don't seem to mind that Michigan Football likes to stonewall on issues in which taxpayers see a vital public interest. What a prolix world we live in!
It is hardly surprising that Michigan Football wants to place grungy cult leaders at the head of a nationwide kakistocracy. After all, this is the same oleaginous pissant whose temperamental prattle informed us that footling hooligans make the best scout leaders and schoolteachers. I do not wish to endorse tribalism, but rather to illustrate that I find that I am embarrassed. Embarrassed that some people just don't realize that I should note that if you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim of your own ignorance. And what about Michigan Football's habitués? They, like Michigan Football, are rash blowhards.
I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people. I can therefore assure you that I am convinced that there will be a strong effort on Michigan Football's part to abridge our basic civil liberties one of these days. This effort will be disguised, of course. It will be cloaked in deceit, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informing you that Michigan Football sometimes has trouble convincing people that its intimations provide a liberating insight into life, the universe, and everything. When it has such trouble, it usually trots out a few venal fiends to constate authoritatively that we ought to worship stuck-up spielers as folk heroes. Whether or not that trick of its works, it's still the case that it wil
@Fat Bastard
Just curious: what do you think is the other top CFB job?
Concerned Alum would have written more but his thesaraus wore out. Impressing people with uncessary big and complex words is the first sign of insecurity. We are all going crazy at this point.
BTW, what has happened to all the PETRINO supporters from just last night.
Oh, whine, whine, Ar-Kansas got Petrino, why are we still searching?
Now that the entire universe (except pigs) has agreed that Petrino is a complete ASS and has now replace SABAN as the #1 ASS, WTF?
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Jeff Chadwick,
During the day there's more traffic of idiots who are convinced we should just hire Bill Cowher and be done, or who are shocked we haven't gone after Norm Chow. At night they're weeded out. The problem now is we're all getting so desperate for news we're grasping for anything and becoming just as bad the daytime morons.
.......and if I come to Michigan, I will take Petrino's spot.
I was on here calling people out for wanting petrino, i had friends at Louisville who told me about him...not a leader you want at a place like Michigan...he does fit arkansas though.
Arkansas is the perfect example of what we don't want to be.
From the Freedom of Information Act fiasco to a desperate hire without any regards to a process to a completely hilarious press conference, they show the way for bad college football.
Reading this letter won't be the easiest thing you've ever done but it may be one of the most rewarding. As this letter will make clear, I'm not very conversant with Bobby Petrino's background. To be quite frank, I don't care to be. I already know enough to state with confidence that Bobby wants to scapegoat easy, unpopular targets, thereby diverting responsibility from more culpable parties. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom, then you should be working with me to deal stiffly with unpleasant talebearers who burn our fair cities to the ground. He was rather wide of the mark when he said that he knows the "right" way to read Plato, Maimonides, and Machiavelli. I trust that I have not shocked any of you by writing that. However, I do realize that some of my readers may feel that much of what I have penned about Bobby in this letter is heartless and in violation of our Christian duty to love everyone. If so, I can say only that Bobby is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every randy ideology finds expression in Bobby Petrino.
The law is not just a moral stance. It is the consensus of society on our minimum standards of behavior. If we are to burn away social illness, exploitation, and human suffering, then we must be guided by a healthy and progressive ideology, not by the judgmental and lackluster ideologies that Bobby promotes. His double standards may not be traditional for a loquacious administrator, but it takes more than a mass of demagogism-oriented, intolerant party animals to delegitimize him. It takes a great many thoughtful and semi-thoughtful people who are willing to dispense justice. Bobby's serfs are too lazy to evaluate the tactics Bobby has used against me. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that even if one is opposed to blockish, sick oligarchism (and I am), then surely, Nature is a wonderful teacher. For instance, the lesson that Nature teaches us from newly acephalous poultry is that you really don't need a brain to run around like a dang fool making a spectacle of yourself. Nature also teaches us that Bobby's belief systems are built on lies and they depend on make-believe for their continuation. In closing, all that I ask is that you join me to stop Bobby Petrino and begin a course of careful, planned, and coordinated action.
What's with the late night essays all of the sudden?
Arkansas is a toxic, horrible place. Hog suey, indeed.
@Concerned Alum -
Go tell that to the dozens of men he's coached...and come back once you regain use of your limbs.
This letter contains some tough news. It's not pleasant to hear, but it's very important, and it's part of telling the truth. Before I launch into my main topic, I want to make a few matters crystal-clear: (1) The unctuous tone used by Les Miles in his ultimata clearly shows what kind of person he really is, and (2) as a result of that, Les explicitly seeks out situations where his adversarial behavior will be tolerated, condoned, and admired. Now that you know where I stand on those issues, I can safely say that Les is willing to promote truth and justice when it's convenient. But when it threatens his creature comforts, Les throws principle to the wind. Note that all he really wants is to hang onto the perks he's getting from the system. That's all he really cares about. While perhaps offensive to some readers, only a direct quote can fully convey the obtuse nature and content of Les's anecdotes: "Attention, secret agents! Your orders are to instill distrust and thereby create a need for his soporific views, and to do so at any cost."
Les's apple-polishers argue that he is a tireless protector of civil rights and civil liberties for all people. These are the same jaded losers who shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience-store size. This is no coincidence; Les is an opportunist. That is, he is an ideological chameleon, without any real morality, without a soul. Why don't more people complain when they see him smear people of impeccable character and reputation? It's because Les has mastered the art of tricking people with images and myths. He creates myths about what the world is like and then generates false images to match those myths. This proves to me, at least, that Les's credos emphasize the formation of small units of deceitful, repressive lieutenants that can avoid detection by authorities, strike quickly and disperse, and, to some extent, lower our standard of living -- and Les knows it. To sum it all up, it is often said that we live in clueless times.
If you're going to write essays, format them as letters to Sigmund Freud, please.
I think that we have the world's fastest typer on our hands. That our someone has canned essays for no reason whatsoever. I need proof.
Here's a topic: the basketball team.
Let's see how fast you can put out an essay.
GO!
WOW. I miss reading posts about McGuffie's recruitment. This all getting too weird...
We need a coach, bad.
@gmb
The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.
THE TERM IS OFTEN ERRONEOUSLY USED TO DISCREDIT AN OPPOSING POSITION, OR ITS PROPONENT, BY ARGUMENT FALLACY, AD HOMINEM.
So, wait, essay-man, WHO THEN should we hire?
Not Les Miles!
This coaching search has actually provided me more laughter then almost anything, save for the Ar-kansas presser last night.
@MichiganStudent
Nice, great writing, and ---- You just lost the DEBATE --- no facts, pure supposition.
Mr. Jeff Chadwick's declamations have been getting a lot of undeserved attention recently. Before I launch into my main topic, I want to make a few matters crystal-clear: (1) Jeff has nothing but contempt for responsibility, duty, and honor, and (2) as a result of that, the reasons that Jeff gives for his prognoses clearly do not correspond with his real motives. Now that you know where I stand on those issues, I can safely say that Jeff is like a magician who produces a dove in one hand, while the other hand is busy trying to bombard me with insults. Doesn't it strike you as odd that his club is a wretched hive of scum and villainy? He is entirely versipellous. When Jeff's among plebeians, he warms the cockles of their hearts by remonstrating against solecism. But when he's safely surrounded by his devotees, Jeff instructs them to institutionalize sex discrimination by requiring different standards of protection and behavior for men and women. That type of cunning two-sidedness tells us that Jeff's conjectures are a load of bunk. I use this delightfully pejorative term, "bunk" -- an alternative from the same page of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve just as well -- because if Jeff is going to delegitimize our belief systems and replace them with a counter-hegemony that seeks to skewer me over a pit barbecue, then he should at least have the self-respect to remind himself of a few things: First, it is apparent where his loyalties lie. And second, when he hears anyone say that he is opposed to free enterprise, individual liberty, trial by jury, and even such post-Westphalian notions as national sovereignty, his answer is to oppress, segregate, and punish others. That's similar to taking a few drunken swings at a beehive: it just makes me want even more to build a world overflowing with compassion and tolerance. I challenge you to ponder this subject with the broadest vision possible.
Getting late ... can't wait any longer for Fat Bastard's answer as to the other top CFB job.
I say it's the other half of the greatest rivalry in sports, tOSU.
To which I say, revive the 10-Year War! Meyer can (and hopefully wants to) do that. Is there any doubt that he would've become the UM HC if Carr had retired after the '05 debacle? Better late than never!
I wanna hear an argument AGAINST Brian Kelly. I can't find it.
There must be some reason he's not our new head coach (save some upcoming Miles' shocker).
Urban Meyer - LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Are you there God, it's me Les.
Brian Kelly doesn't care about black people.
@Ryan
Now you've really pissed me off.!!
My complaint about Brian Kelly:
I need to get something out of the way before I begin. I must say that Brian Kelly has let his soporific feelings obscure reality. To organize my discussion, I suggest that we take one step back in the causal chain and debate the efficacy of Brian's putrid imprecations.
If you were to tell Brian that he should take a step back and look at everything from a different perspective, he'd just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world. In order for us to realize more happiness in our lives, we need to understand that he constantly insists that "the norm" shouldn't have to worry about how the exceptions feel. But he contradicts himself when he says that we ought to worship homophobic ethically bankrupt-types as folk heroes. In retrospect, Brian has always been more manipulative than most hate-filled vigilantes. Be careful not to be charmed by his projects. All they do is promote authoritarianism's traits as normative values to be embraced. Finally, this has been a good deal of reading, and undeniably difficult reading at that. Still, I hope you walk away from it with the new knowledge that this is sufficiently illustrated by the ridicule with which Brian Kelly's hariolations are treated by everyone other than choleric bourgeoisie.
Who said that?
YO, YO, YO,
The Secret: Visualize Michigan getting a great coach! Visualize Michigan getting Les Miles as the coach! Visualize Michigan wining the MNC!
If you do, then it will happen. If you continue in your current vein (to quote the hockey gods); IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT, IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT, IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT.
Can we hire this guy?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf...h?
v=LfPuUKJQKxA
Kudos to Less Miles. I deserved every last word, even the ones that didn't belong where they were used.
I certainly couldn't do that so quickly. I applaud thee.
Yeah... UNCLE PHIL!
hot about this guy:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_a...h?
v=_a0o9LBCd7Q
@rYAN
"Can we hire this guy?"
UH, TO DO WHAT???????
I might me interested.
now that is funny.
Enjoy Life,
Coach chess.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?
v=g9...feature=related
Ryan, you like the Les/Godzilla one?
Actual Quote:
"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know, we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown, unknowns. The ones we don’t know we don’t know."
It is:
A) Kirk Herbsreit trying to explain the “Miles is going to Michigan” scoop.
B) The posts on this blog trying to explain their rationale on who the next coach should be.
C) The posts on this blog trying to explain their rationale about why Michigan is a program in serious decline.
D) Donald Rumsfeld trying to explain why our precious sons and daughters are dying because they don’t have proper equipment in IRAQ.
I'm sorry, but I want to say this now - I came out of the closet last week and I've been very emotional since. I appologize.
@Ryan | 12.13.07 - 1:09 am | #
"Coach chess"
Is that code for "strangle the grumpy"?
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Oh my God, Les might be Godzilla.
Excuse me, Enjoy Life? You are not going to strangle my grumpy. Sicko.
And, the earlier posts by Dr. Freud and Oprah have made me realize that "I love you guys, really I do."
Send me your email address (for a liason) biggestdick@aol.com.
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this is how dumb I am:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-
P...feature=related
@ Enjoy Life
Let's get together for some sex. I'm a man. I'm 40.
....I think that was Bo Pelini pushing Miles back in that clip. Shock there, he's a Buckeye.
Well, I'm not gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I have lots of gay friends. If I were gay, RYAN would be my first choice (TX Wolverine, don't cry -- you're 2nd -- and that's NOT sloppy seconds).
Bzzzzzzz, Apologies to Seinfeld.
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go play intrumurals brother!
I just aee Gary Pinkel, do you still want him as your coach?
all you 'regulars' stop being such elitist assholes...you arent any more insightful than a chimp on a computer...nothing you say hasnt been said already on some website like espn or yahoo or foxsports...
thats a message is from a 'morning idiot' i think someone called it
THE COACH THAT YOU SEEK
CANNOT BE LOCATED, BUT
COUNTLESS MORE REMAIN
real nice board.
nice haiku, enjoy life. you should take that up as a job.
@theworst
Name one site that has said the following:
THREE THINGS ARE CERTAIN
DEATH, TAX, ANOTHER REBUFF
GUESS WHICH HAS OCCURRED
Grew Up:
Although currently dormant, nd is probably the other. For many of the same reasons, actually.
guys that wasnt my letter to MSC at 1243...someone stole my handle but put a space between the words
I'm biggest.
Bullshit, I am.
CHAOS REINS WITHIN
REPENT & VISUALIZE
ORDER SHALL RETURN
I haven't made most the comments as Ryan since 1.
Guys, guys,
Like I've been trying to tell you: Biggest doesn't matter -- it's being able to maintain superior performance over the long haul (M knows that!).
You young whippersnappers -- instant gratification -- what a waste.
.
I hear those Gators are Hot Hot Hot.
Goodnight.
You guys are killing me. I've been monitoring these message boards over the past 2 weeks and there have been some decent reports and some reports that have frankly made me laugh out loud. Can't identify myself nor can I responsibly post again but for the LOVE OF GOD...I have to share the following:
1) Les Miles wanted to be Michigan's next head coach WITHOUT QUESTION.
2) For those hoping Les would realize his dream, Kirk Herbstreit did us no favors with his "Breaking News" report on the morning of Sat. Dec 1...essentially backing Les into a corner while BM could not be contacted by ANYONE, Bertman applying the pressure and meanwhile, NO OFFICIAL OFFER HAD BEEN MADE BY UM.
3) Despite the false Herbstreit report, Bill Martin, Mary Sue Coleman and/or Lloyd Carr (unfortunately, cannot determine for sure where the shots are being called in this instance)have had SEVERAL opportunities to fix this most unfortunate situation but...to date...have failed to do so apparently.
4) As of last Friday morning 12/7, Les Miles still wanted to be Michigan's next head coach. The reports that Schiano had been offered what should have at least been rightfully offered to Miles made HUNDREDS of former Michigan players sick.
5) There was quite a bit of optimisim among these former players when it was revealed that MSC, BM and LM at least had FINALLY made contact on Friday 12/7.
6) It appears that the results of that phone call are still uncertain. No official offers. No guarantees that Les is Michigan's man. Quite unfulfilling for those who have tried desperately to resolve this most unfortunate situation.
7) Only time will tell if this situation - which could have easily been resolved by Michigan with a clear indication that Miles was wanted - can be resolved. I STRONGLY encourage those who wants Miles to be our next head coach to keep up the good fight. Keep emailing Mary Sue Coleman and Bill Martin and make your choice be known:
marysuec@umich.edu
wcmartin@umich.edu
After all, many believe it was the pressure that made them FINALLY speak with Les. Continued pressure may FINALLY make them make a good faith, reasonable offer to the one man who is not only qualified to lead Michigan but who legitimately has the passion to do so.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zM...h?
v=zMXYTJ8v1gs
@Ryan
So, is Kige Ramsey your a.k.a? (What the f#$* kind of parents would name their kid "kige?")
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whyisntlesournewheadcoach?
yeah. of course Les wants the job. He couldnt make it any more clear. We (the admin) didn't want him. There is more the choosing a coach that what a segment of former football players want.
And as far as no official offer, no there was not one. Nor was there one to Schiano.
Do you get it yet?
Why not me? I always go for the win.
Fat Bastard-
Are you suggesting that you are part of the Administration and there was no offer to Schiano on the table? Are you suggesting the BM did not make it known that Michigan could have Schiano if we wanted him? If so, your suggestion is laughable and a clear indication that you have no idea what you are talking about. Dammit. I should have known better than to post my initial comments with the expectation that I wouldn't be tempted to do so again. Surely, someone like yourself would post something so asinine that I would be tempted to follow up with another post. So much for following my instincts. Furthermore, I wholeheartedly agree that there is MUCH more to selecting a head coach than what an OVERWHELMING percentage of our former players want (not a segment as you suggest). Let's review Miles' record: Winning Percentage? check; Conference Championship? check; Competing for a National Championship? check. Loyalty towards your Alma Mater despite the lack of loyalty they have shown you? check.
@ enjoy life
You wanted stats: Here's some interesting ones!
John Cooper: (final 6 yrs)
1995 11 -2
1996 11 -1
1997 10-3
1998 11-1
1999 6-6 (ugh!)
2000 8-4
By your stats, we were one helluva ELITE team, why would we can this guy?!!! Because he had the disease Mr. Carr has. Can't beat arch-rival, can't win the bowl game.
I could go back further, but the results won't change much.
Seriously, how about a MMtMM?
Who wants to blow me?
Something inside of me believes that these, so called interviews, with other coaches is just smoke and mirrors. I for one have a gut feeling that Les will anounce he will be coaching at the Univeristy of Michigan in January.
So it looks like Legion is transferring and we are on his short list (Notre Dame, Illinois, Arkansas, us).
I am sooooo conflicted. We need talent badly, but this kid is the definition of a head case.
I say that Illinois is desperate enough after the Gordon incident to be real aggressive. I think we don't get him.
I for one disagree.
Chunks is that you?
Disagree with Legion? Or that we get him?
He is definitely transferring. Ok, definitely is not a word that I should use with him. However this sounds real this time
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs...387/1004/
SPORTS
CSTV reported that Michigan is heavily considering K.C. Keeler (Delaware head coach). Winged helmet connection. what do y'all think of him?
Why do people think that the new coach is going to be required to keep assistants?
That is unprecedented.
They are under contract and must be paid, but they do not have to be on the staff.
There are a lot of hurdles to this coaching search, but that is not one of them.
Did we hire the chimp yet?
all you 'regulars' stop being such elitist assholes...you arent any more insightful than a chimp on a computer...nothing you say hasnt been said already on some website like espn or yahoo or foxsports...
Wow, a chimp!
where do you think espn, yahoo and foxsports are getting their info.? Right here!!!!
seriously, they almost have to be getting it from us. recently they have been 1-2 days behind anything we've thrown out this week. that or bill martin is. If thats the case, Bill we appreciate your using a searching firm as diverse as mgoblog.
@J.lichty
I'm with you. It's unfathomable that UM would attempt to make an outside hire while requiring that hire to retain any/all of the inside help.
I understand the 2 year contract thing. LC knew he was leaving. He wanted to give his coaches a severence package in case they didn't immediately depart Ann Arbor for jobs elsewhere.
I simply can't imagine UM would demand that the new coach keep these guys.
Yet, this rumor persists. So either UM is incredibly stupid or it's bogus based on a misunderstanding of what a contract means.
Hell, if UM insists on keeping jackson, debord, or english, hire jackson, debord or english as the next HC. (and then kill me)
BTW, I've calmed down a bit from yesterday. I've again convinced myself that BM is doing
*something* — even if we don't know what the something is. But I hate it that way. And that's why this whole "process" pisses me off.
The whole country knew Nebraska was choosing between Gill and Pelini. Would it kill UM to let us in a little? I know, I know, UM may be looking at guys that are coaching in bowls or the NFL, but I REFUSE TO LET REALITY GET IN THE WAY OF THIS RANT!
Then again, maybe they aren't? Maybe BM is shellacking his boat.
So, who is the candidate today?
I heard Wade Phillips is getting serious consideration. Why not? He's a small Mangino.
@gmb posts
Finally caught up on the evening posts. 2 interested coaches in big bowls, eh? If not HC, Venables perhaps?
@ J. Lichty
I just think it makes sense that some assistants will be retained. A new coach should know this. Otherwise, you run the risk of losing all continuity and a lot of recruits.
These won't necessarily be coordinators, but position coaches, strength coaches (although I heard Gittleson is retiring), etc.
Morning guys. How's my truely strong blog this morning?
Jackson is planning to stay on as a mole of sorts. At least during the "negotiations" with Miles, this was a condition of employment. (See GBW's articles on McGuffie about this situation.)
They claim it's because they want to make sure we have an "Ed Martin detector" on staff. But I think it goes beyond that. Jackson would likely act as some sort of liaison between the new coach and Carr. Let there be no confusion: Lloyd would like to continue "running" the program. He just doesn't want to be responsible for it in name.
So the offer goes a little something like this: Yes, we'd like you to be the head coach at the University of Michigan. We're willing to pay you less than what you make now. We won't pony up the cash you need for assistants/recruiting. AND we expect you to keep a snitch on your staff who will report back to the former head coach who expects to control the program from behind the scenes. You have 24 hours to decide!
The fact that Miles even considered an "offer" like this shows you exactly how much he wanted (still wants?) the job.
ATTN: BILL MARTIN
how come no one is mentioning Wally Buono of the British Columbia Lions? He's been one of the best coaches in the history of the Canadian Football League and has won the Grey Cup four times! That's very impressive.
anguilla wolverine | 12.12.07 - 2:34 pm |
Sorry I didn't see this post earlier, but I brought him up the other day. The guy has an impressive tenure at BC. The best coach the CFL has ever had.
http://www.bclions.com/index.php...play&
staff_id=1
Good morning fellow Wolverines,
checking in at work and wondering if someone can bring me up to date on any good and relative info that i have missed since 5pm yeasterday? Thanks in advance.
GO BLUE!
@DFR,
you didn't miss anything, but let's be honest - we're not here for solid information anymore, we're all here for some good old fashioned rumormongering...
since the last princeton coach worked out so well (crisler), why don't we hire this guy: http://www.goprincetontigers.com...0&
ATCLID=324240
he seems to be doing a pretty good job there.
Readiong MSM articles this morning - this quote got my attention:
"Among Wednesday's attendees at the Michigan table was offensive coordinator Mike DeBord, who said he has not had a second interview for the head coaching position but is being kept abreast of the process."
Is is possible that it's DeBord that is leaking the Les Miles stuff (Herbie on ESPN Dec 1, last Friday's phone call to Miles fiasco) that torpedoed Miles as a candidate - in order to keep his own candidacy alive? Inquiring minds want to know. . .
DFRoweJR -
Les is still in play.
Les is out.
Some report that 2 coaches in "big" bowls have expressed interest in the job and UM intends to wait for them.
Some people want to hire a Canadian.
Inexplicably, there is some sort of Coker love fest. Or maybe it's a joke.
The Delaware coach looks good in sunglasses.
Yeah, i figured that. Thanks ATL Blue. Whats with this place? its practically dead compared to the previous weeks. Only 47 visitors? Seems to me like people have just gave up on this search.
So, anyone have a list of all the coaches (including top assistant coaches) coaching in "big" bowls this year?
Did Bo go from HC to immediately being AD? I don't remember.
If Carr wants to retire, he really needs to RETIRE. Go travel or something. Send Bill Martin post cards from Bora Bora.
I just seems like we need a clean break from him right now. Maybe in a year or two when the new HC has settled, he can return with some fluff title.
There seems to be a lot of talk about how good Tenuta, the dc from georgia tech is. Miles was supposedly bringing him here with him the first time and now he is the front runner to replace pelini at lsu. Is he just a friend of miles or is he really that good? and if he is really that good why is there no talk of him as a possible coach at UM.
Bo was both HC and AD for a year or so at the end, then he retired from HC to be the AD fulltime, then retired from that to go to work for Mohaghan as President of the Tigers (failed miserably - fired George Kell, pissed off Sparky Anderson, etc).
whyisntlesournewheadcoach?
I am not part of the admin. The "We" is the University, as run by the admin. I thought that was pretty clear, perhaps not.
You sound like you are one of Les buddies' from college. Are you?
That first post was EXACTLY Les Miles position throughout this thing - -that he has a RIGHT to the job. For several reasons, some of which are very obvious and others which require a little digging, he was not, is not, and will not be a serious candidate.
I thought that Mary Sue and Bill did a nice job in letting him gracefully exit with the scene with that crap about helping us in our coaching search.
I was all for Les as the next coach after Lloyd retired. I thought it was a done deal. But after thinking about it, after reflecting on comments made by people directly involved in the search, and the apparent haphazard search that has gone on,it is clear to me that we have lined up a coach or two who we want currently in nfl/bowl game, and that Mary Sue decided to play hard ball with Les.
If he comes back for more, I'd expect that he won't have such a graceful exit.
@BigJim
If [kitten killer] had leaked to Herb on 12/1 and anyone found out, Martin would throw his ass out so fast. Michigan would probably be able to void his extra year contract, too, for cause. Deliberate interference with a potential employment relationship.
@MatchPoint
Yes, Bo was AD and football coach at the same time. He fired Bill Frieder in March 1989 before he retired as football coach after the 1990 Rose Bowl.
Angelique, FWIW:
Q . Last thing hate to ask this, but is the door really shut on Miles to Michigan?
A . I won't believe it until I'm attending a news conference introducing the next coach notnamed Les Miles.
Long live the MtMM!
@Jason,
IIRC, Tenuta has stated that he doesn't want a HC job. I think that he is the barometer for this whole situation. I do not think it was a coincidence that his name was in Herbstreit's 'report'. I think that Miles wants him as his DC, wherever he is. If LSU names him DC or he goes somewhere else, I will truly believe Miles is off the table.
Just for the record, even though Ohio State managed to succeed with their 4th or 5th choice for football coach, OSU landed Tressel after a two week search!
To reiterate my piling on: the excessive time that has passed in this coaching search is a strong indication of a failed and failing coaching search.
At this point, could it hurt to send a letter to the university, expressing your embarrassment at the "process"?
RATING THE HC PROSPECTS:
Grand Slam: Meyer
Home Run: Rodriguez, Tuberville, Richt
Triple: Miles, Tedford, Grobe
Double: Leach, Pinkel, Trgovac
Single: English, Sarkisian, Venables, Martin, Keeler
Strikeout: Debord, Hoke, Cameron
WANT a HR; HOPE for extra bases; NEED a base hit.
I'm not a Michigan person but I do think Michigan SHOULD be able to choose almost any coach in America. Your job should be one of the plums which comes open only once in a lifetime. Yet so far you have been turned down once and the conversation with Les Miles, who clearly wants to be the Michigan coach if not now at least some day in the future, did not go very far, apparently.
There has to be a reason for this. It isn't just that the stars aren't in alignment. Whenever something doesn't make sense, there is some vital thing you don't know. I suggest that the vital thing here must be the strings attached to the job.
As someone here wrote earlier: not the top pay, retaining LC's assistants, LC in the AD for the foreseeable future or maybe the heir apparent to the AD, a very questionable university president in terms of commitment to excellence in football, a weak AD, yada yada. In other words, on the face of it, the Michigan job is fabulous. When it comes down to the baggage attached, though, it's a dog. What a terrible shame. But until the baggage gets cleared away, it will be tough to get the right guy. Or if you do happen to get the right guy, it will be tough for him to do his job and win.
@Grew Up in A2
No Stoops?
Also, as much as I think Ron English would be ok, the massive uncertainty about his capabilities shouldn't warrant a single.
Making an inside hire after a "national" search would represent a massive failure by the AD- in essence, a capitulation and admission that the people in the AD are simply incapable of competing for a top-notch coach. That is why English is not even a single. Maybe a bunt.
Good job on the baseball/coach analogy, Grew Up in A2. I totally agree with you. Some names I dont on the list that I have heard mention and I wonder where you would rank them: Kelly, Lane Kiffen, Stoops, and Peterson. What do u think? GO BLUE!
reality checker:
BM apparently misperceived the situation initially and is not a high-profile job search expert but he's no dummy and is figuring it out. That's why it's taking so long.
I believe some big names are quietly in play now AND it's going to stay quiet until right before the early Jan. presser announcing the hire.
I think we'll be happy, maybe ecstatic, when it's all done.