First? sorry I had to
I was hoping to come back from lunch and find this whole little mess cleared up
Scotch and lots of it. Stat.
This is sad...Michigan is now Nebraska.
Wrong Nebraska has a coach.
nebraska from 4 years ago smart guy...look what that got them. similar search...were nebrska attitude
I'll take a few Bud Selects if we are drinkin
I'm going to pile on some more:
Of the 15 other programs looking for coaches, only four are still looking: SMU, Northern Illinois, Duke, and Colorado State. UCLA has named an interim coach, but I think they're still looking, so make it a clean five.
2/3 of the field have finished ahead of Michigan's in the coaching search. Leaders and Best, indeed.
A little testy this afternoon. Just making the point that an awful program right now can get the coach they want and I'm not sure if we have even talked to anybody yet.
Why dismiss English so readily? Read Varsity Blue for the pathos and understand how he'd recruit and motivate. And fire DeBord.
ad, I hope you catch on fire. Goddammit.
What's Brian got against Grobe?? He is universally repspected for his x and o proficiency and he has built freakin Wake Forest from zilch to the Orange Bowl with a bunch of nerds. I know he's not Miles, but you could do much much worse.
this is how proud programs go down. next thing you know we will be looking for another coach after going 5-7
(That's "ad" the self-proclaimed first poster, not the advertisement mentioning minimally invasive open back surgery. I'm all for correcting spinal disorders!)
"Isn't this a place that should be good enough that other job offers don't matter?"
I'm with you on every thing in the post--except this.
Yes: We should be out there interviewing the best coaches. That does not mean, however, that we should do so at the expense of everything else--program continuity, not least of all. Petrino has established himself as a malcontent--a mercenary who will bolt without warning and without thought of the consequences. He left a mess at Louisville and in Atlanta, and would not think twice about doing the same to us. Trust that the coach won't torpedo a team is a valuable commodity. Petrino can't offer it.
Now, that doesn't excuse for one second the unmitigated disaster that this search has become. Nor does it excuse the inexplicable desire by the establishment to disqualify otherwise exceedingly qualified candidates from consideration.
Petrino, however, was rightfully qualified.
petrino wasnt welcome because he's a slimeball. likely the same with kelly
as fucked as this search is, there is nothing wrong with eliminating candidates for lack of character
this is an odd post
Yesterday I hit Publix after work (grocery store) and the little retarded kid bagging my groceries made fun of my " M " visor... Giving me hell about our situation.. I didn't even know how to respond to him.. ha it was bad
and no the M visor isn't white...
//wrists, //jugular
I'm not a Michigan fan, actually a UConn fan fascinated by this search. Is there an actual reason why Michigan isn't looking at Kelly? He's a kick-ass coach who got Cincy playing some killer ball and got people there to actually show up for games. And he did it darn quick...they were crushing Oregon State by week two. No excuse to not go after him, considering he's begging for it.
Sky falling. Details at 6.
Petrino did not deserve a look
Grobe, I could live with. Would rather say fuckitall and have English for 2008, then try again.
God, I would have taken Petrino in a hot minute.
"No record of how well he recruits. Runs a crazy offensive system that may or may not translate to higher levels with (possibly) better talent. A huge, huge risk to anyone who has performance foremost on their mind. Obviously, this is not the case here."
Didn't they say basically this about Meyer? The only difference is age imo. Besides, I refuse to believe that Grobe can't recruit if Lloyd freaking Carr could recruit when prospects HAD to know about our S&C program.
Ask a Nebraska fan what they thought 4 years ago...This is Nebraska all other jobs dont matter.
@Mike
I don't think Brian is extremely opposed to Grobe, especially not now. I think he's trying to say that Grobe represents the best possible outcome of the coaching search, which is still highly unlikely. Praying for the Wake freakin' Forest coach is, on some level, pretty pathetic.
I don't agree with Brian, but I think that's his point.
I view the fact that Petrino couldn't get a sniff as a positive. Petrino? No. No. No. Hell no. F@#k no. He is a lying, non-trustworthy back-stabber of the highest order.
Don't be so sure Grobe isn't a viable option. Dude won the ACC title at a school with like fewer students than AA Pioneer. That should count for something.
Also, don't automatically assume something's broken at UM just because Schiano said no. He's from New Jersey. They have bent over backward to accommodate him. Rutgers is just putting the finishing touches on a house they've built him on prime real estate right near campus. And when financing for a stadium upgrade fell through, the bazillionaire governor basically told him "I got this."
Sure, Schiano saying no is a bit of a head-scratcher. But it's not as irrational as some may think when all the factors are considered.
The thing I don't get with the Miles obsession is if there are significant elements within the athletic department that oppose his candidacy, don't people wonder if maybe, jut maybe, they have a reason for doing so?
"Haircut and jowls of the kind of guy you just feel comfortable"
Jowls make me uncomfortable, lets just get that out there right now.
The Chimp is slowly gaining on the outside.
Chimp Mafiaoso Godfather.
Every college football analyst is shaking their head wondering why Michigan wont give Brian Kelly a look. Someone needs to medicate these bi-polar elitist asses, and take over. Its football people, football. Michigan needs 3 things: Good Head Coach, Good Defensive Coordinator, Good Strength and Conditioning Coach. Everything else will take care of itself.
I'm not down with English because I don't trust that he'll have full authority. If he was able to make unilateral decisions regarding staff and style of play I would be comfortable. I just don't think that would happen.
I think the only way Michigan gets a good outcome out of this is to guarantee whoever takes the job that there will be no influence from Lloyd or Martin. I actually think they still could get Miles if Lloyd left.
What a shame. We've actually run out of coaches that would be both plausible hires and better than Lloyd. Pathetic.
Uh, isn't Grobe one year older than Miles? Brian, this search is melting your brain
@cfaller96
wrong on colorado state:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3151605
@cfaller
2/3 of the field have finished ahead of Michigan's in the coaching search. Leaders and Best, indeed.
Agreed. I am trying to hold Michigan up on some pedestal and say that people should come lining up to take the job, but I NEVER imagined that we would be one of the last to fill the spots. I didn't think that it was going to come down to an in house hire, I didn't think that we were going to stay mid 90's and make low ball offers.
I guess this is what I get for being optimistic for once.
Back to expecting the worse so if for some reason a miracle happens, I will be pleasantly surprised.
If there is one jaw-dropping piece of hyprocrisy in this post, it is that the blogger who has posted 9 million posts to the glory of Miles holds Jim Grobe's age against him. When he is 6 months older than Les Miles.
i hear a loud laugh coming from the south...wait that is just columbus...osu fans playing for a 3rd nc since 2002
Jesus
Correction: I am NOT trying to hold Michigan up on some pedestal and say that people should come lining up to take the job,
"2/3 of the field have finished ahead of Michigan's in the coaching search. Leaders and Best, indeed."
And what trophy do they get for that? Um...none, because it doesn't matter.
So this is a race? And we haven't rushed to hire an anybody-that'll-take-the-job coach so we're "losing?" Sorry, don't buy it. I don't mind a deliberate search...
I don't agree with a lot of this post. But I get where Brian is coming from.
He's frustrated that Michigan is only looking at candidates that will fit into "Box A." The fact that Grobe is a good coach (imo) doesn't undo the frustration he feels with the fact that Grobe is only being considered because he fits inside "Box A."
But I do think, in some ways, Brian is missing the forest for the trees.
Petrino would be a dreadful hire, imo. Sure, you can claim "Isn't Michigan supposed to want a guy to get job offers, and shouldn't they feel secure that Michigan is the best job?"... but the reality is Petrino would jump from Michigan to Ohio University if they offered more money.
i hear a loud laugh coming from the south...wait that is just columbus...osu playing for a 3rd nc since 2002
Jesus
Petrino is a job-hopper who left behind something of a disaster, by all accounts, in Louisville. Brilliant coach, giant asshole, and not trustworthy. We're better off without him.
And chicagoblue00 is right.
I hate, HATE calling Brian out. He does a damn fine job. But "old" is a lazy criticism if you were on the Miles bandwagon.
And coaching at Wake Forest does leave a recruiting trail to analyze. I hope he does so.
If he does, he'll find a slight up-tick, and current committments and players that held offers from Alabama, Louisville, Wisconsin, Ole Miss, Rutgers, West Virginia, Virginia, etc., etc.
No. Nobody with an offer to Florida or USC goes to Wake Forest. Neither do they go to Cincinnati or Boise State.
Grobe is not the candidate the fanbase at large wants. The fact that several people on a blog want him makes you surprised that nobody else wants to hire the least sexy option after [kitten killer] and Hoke?
Actually, they're playing for their FIRST NC since [the] 2002 [NC]. Not third. First.
Brian, you're approaching a conspiracy theorist at this point.
Man, I swore I wouldn't look at comments here today. I'm weak.
I agree there is no problem with a deliberate search. I'd have no problem with hearing absolutely nothing at all and then being presented with a fait accompli. The current state of leaks, though, is just totally wrong. Either black box or total transparency, and the latter just ain't gonna happen.
brian, and other Grobe haters
i am a little pissed off
im pretty sure i know more about the GAME of football than most of you...
and if you think grob eis a risk you are crazy and not only know nothing about coaching football, but no nothing about what was wrong with michigan last year... i would not be such a grobe fan if i diditn think he would be great for michigan. you dont see me gettign in the ring for butch davis or amato, or any other countless numbers of caoches that i have had conact with. Grobe would excell at michigan.... im not saying this for any other reason than to just counter all the doom and gloom that is on this board....
JeremyB-
Did you miss the game where Florida smoked them?
Grobe's a great coach, and WAY better than Les Miles. Do we know that Bill Martin isn't talking to Brian Kelly?
2002 beat Miami
2006 smoked by Florida
2008...pray to God smoked by lsu
A little more in depth explanation would be useful for the guys being dismissed. Some of us don't know enough about Grobe and English for example to see why they should instantly be dismissed.
"Grobe is not the candidate the fanbase at large wants. The fact that several people on a blog want him makes you surprised that nobody else wants to hire the least sexy option after [kitten killer] and Hoke?"
I don't give shit who wants him. I do. I'm criticizing Brian for bitching about Grobe's age when he's 6 months older than the man Brian has all but anointed as the Messiah of Michigan Football.
Further, Brian claiming that we are going after Grobe because he "fits a stereotype" is even lazier WHEN THE PRIAMRY REASON WHY LES MILES IS A CANDIDATE IS BECAUSE HE IS A BO SCHEMBECHLER PROTOGE.
Ron English is also much better than Brady Joke. Brady Joke would be suicide, and everyone in A2 would have to get rid of their "At least our Brady doesn't suck" shirts.
English could be the most viable option. Granted Barry Alvarez did it with a little more class and thought, but he put a young and fresh coordinator in charge and let him do what he wanted with the rest of the staff. Bielema went and cleaned house and hired his own people. Needless to say, if English had his first two years similar to what Bielema has had, I think everyone would be quite happy.
The unfortunate thing is by doing the same thing Wisconsin did, but doing it subsequent to having a bunch of other guys turn us down (I am still under the impression we have not given an actual offer to anyone), we look like we are just settling for what we have.
@Mat
Because they're not Les Miles, and because Bill Martin, who is the most incompetent, insane, jackass-y man in the history of incompetent, insane, jackass-y men (despite the fact that every piece of "information" that has been a basis for his incompetence comes either from a false rumor or Martin having the good sense to realize Miles is a shitty coach) seems to maybe, sorta like them.
im pretty sure that over the past couple of weeks, i have explained what Jim Grobe, the coach is like....
if you know him, play for him, or coached with him, he is impressive..
check out wake forest message boards and see how scared they are of lossing him.
If I remember correctly, didn't Alabama court Jim Grobe last year. If he's good enough for the crazies in the SEC, why not Michigan?
As for the age, he's 55. Les Miles - the "savior" is 52. Is that 3 years really that big of a difference? Besides, what disasters has Les Miles walked into and miraculously fixed. Grobe has won with nobodies that no one wanted. If you can coach overmatched teams to victory, you can sure handle talented athletes. Besides, Tressel's recruiting classes aren't the highest ranked, and look where Ohio State is. Or, look at Mack Brown who has consistently some of top recruiting classes, and yet has one Big 12 title and one national championship in nearly a decade at Texas.
The real question is, why not Gary Pinkel?
I think that Brian and I are on the same plane when it comes to Petrino, albeit at different wavelengths.
It's not that I wanted Petrino- I didn't, and every post-announcement tidbit makes me glad we don't have him. What troubles me about the Petrino hire is that another college program was able to snag an NFL head coach (with a successful college resume) without anyone knowing anything about it until it was all over...and they snagged him with a pay cut!
Time is going by, and Michigan isn't making progress. And now we have people purportedly connected to the athletic department explaining that the "political pressure" and "competing factions" inside the AD are causing some problems, and we should just be patient. As if "politics" should make us feel confident about the AD heading into its fourth week of the coaching search.
Something is rotten in Schembechler Hall, and it's the people. The Michigan Athletic Department and the people that run it are failing at its first national coaching search in 40 years. Obviously given their inability to land a coach (from Rutgers, for example), these people were not very capable to begin with, and we are left to conclude that they simply have been riding on the success of Bo for far too many years.
BTW, everyone should remember that 6 months ago Brian hated Les Miles.
I love that this committee and Bill Martin have this view that they can do it all. Where as Nebraska hires Tom Osborne, then he hires a search firm. BAM nails it down and hires their man in 3weeks.
As much as I would like this coaching fiasco to end today, IMO it might be better to wait this out until January.
The only coaches, as far as we know, that we could hire anytime soon would be Hoke and English. These are not coaches coveted by anyone else, they will be there if every other option falls through. That is if there are any other options.
Approaching any coach of value 2-3 weeks before his teams bowl game will cause :
1. Unwanted distractions to bowl preparations = pissed off HC
2, Internal pressure to pledge allegiance
3. More rejections for UM
We've already seen that for some reason this search cannot be handled in secrecy which is exactly what is required right now.
I'm all for waiting and seeing what happens. Hiring anyone right now would be settling, we can still settle in January if need be.
Sebcoe - Les Miles is 54. 6 months younger than Jim Grobe.
This is getting flat out ridiculous. I hope Grobe turns us down in a matter of hours so the bitching from his mafia can end.
There was a recent political study that looked at the effects of false negative information on voters. If you spread a bad rumor, people have a lower opinion of that candidate. If people later find out that rumor is false, their opinion of the candidate rises, but not nearly to the level it was at before they heard the rumor. Essentially, false, negative information is a good way to trash someone's rep.
Which is a long way of saying; people hate Bill Martin because a bunch of false rumors sounded bad. And that's messed up.
@AAB-
I get that you don't like Miles and I respect that, but I am sorry. How can you say someone is a shitty coach when in 3 years he has won an SEC Championship, is playing for the NC and has a 33-6 record. Thats not shitty by any means. Yeah he makes some idiotic calls and may not be exactly the best public speaker, but his record speaks for itself.
And you can add to your comment that people don't want Grobe because it's not Miles or Kelly. There are just as many people on here pulling for Kelly who realistically is probably not going to get a shot as there were Miles.
For the record, I have no problem with English getting the position. He has energy, passion, can recruit (let's hope he has the balls to get good coordinators), and gets the most out of his players. I like your work Brian, but I think you're getting a little too worked up. We're not entitled to a sure thing just because we're Michigan, but we just may get the perfect fit from a lesser known commodity. I know it's hard to be patient, but we won't know if we have Carrol (sp?) or Weis for at least a year no matter who we hire.
I would be shocked if we hired Grobe.I dont know a single person in the AD that thinks Ron English isnt atleast a few times better than him.
@00goblue00-This year, Les Miles has the most talented, experienced team that he will ever have in his entire career. This is the high point of talent for him.
And he lost 2 games, didn't blow anyone out in 2 months, and had to sneak into the NC game.
And he calls time outs after interceptions.
That's why he's a shitty coach.
xyz..... just wow.... grobe is in everyones top ten best coaches in america list....
I am 100% on board with what AAB is cooking, with the exception of his opinion of Miles (I don't think he sucks, though I don't think he amazing). The vast majority of Martin bashing is based on speculation.
Russell -
"...if there are significant elements within the athletic department that oppose his candidacy, don't people wonder if maybe, jut maybe, they have a reason for doing so?"
I don't wonder because I know the rumors that were out there have been confirmed by the circus this has become with Miles right in the middle. As usual he tries to take the high road and too few people say, damnit, you are the one who has steered us here.
what is this crazy offense?
i dont watch much wake forest
@rainking (and chitownblue)
So this is a race? And we haven't rushed to hire an anybody-that'll-take-the-job coach so we're "losing?" Sorry, don't buy it. I don't mind a deliberate search...
Umm, it is a race, to a certain extent. There are only so many coaches that are "available" to be hired, and they may take that job at UCLA, for example, if they're quicker/more eager than a "deliberate" Michigan. The implication that the really good coaches will turn down other offers simply because Michigan might is absurd and arrogant. I hope that's not what you meant.
Those that don't think there is a "race" aspect to this are bound to be bitterly disappointed come January, when we still don't have a coach and all the good ones are "taken."
For the record, the pro-English JeremyB was not me, but uh, I totally agree with it... so... carry on. Did someone forget to change his sig from impersonating me?
Yes I remember the 2006 game. I was arguing semantics. They are playing for the NC for the third time in six years. They are not playing for their third NC in six years.
@AAB-
He coaches in the SEC which by comparison to the Big 10 is much harder. You are bound to lose games there, every game is going to be a toss up no one knows from week to week who is going to win the game, each time has a decent shot.
There is no point in arguing because you are not going to change your mind, just like I'm not going to change mine.
But again, people on here don't want Grobe not just because he's not Miles, but because he's not Kelly as well. We didn't get Miles, we won't get Kelly, and we most likely won't get Grobe.
Is anyone else willing to download the OSU game and do the UFR for brian? I just dont have space on my computer.
@bsb
Crazy offense = not running on 1st down
Just because Grobe is one of the best in America doesn't mean he's the right fit. Let's go hire Bill Parcells, everyone thinks he's great!
"I know it's hard to be patient, but we won't know if we have Carrol (sp?) or Weis for at least a year no matter who we hire."
Yes, JeremyB. But you know that 2/3 of this board will get their pitchforks the second non-Les Miles gets hired. Because all of us, in having watched maybe 4 or 5 games that Miles has coached in his career (less, probably for the other candidates) know who should and should not be hired as our coach.
The Chimp is gaining traction...
The Chimp Mafioso
@ Mallett Fumbles,
Bud Select isn't the drink. Perhaps if it was called Bud Nonselect, I would say go nuts.
"im pretty sure i know more about the GAME of football than most of you..."
@gsimmons85:
I'm sure you've probably gone over this before, but I clearly missed it: are you a coach or a player or something? I ask based on the assertion that YOU know more about the game of football that "most of [us]." I'm not saying you are wrong, but some elucidation would be appreciated. Thanks.
as for the crazy offensive system he runs.... lol
crazy only if you dont follow college football.... no crazier then spread, or option....
in fact he lined up in i formation more then michigan did this year i believe....
i was calling for an orbit motion system off of our zone plays all year....
The Schiano "rejection" is entirely understandable. SI did a full feature on him last year. He lives within something like 20 minutes of his entire family, with whom he is very close. The estate, er, house that Rutgers is building for him is a walk to work. If Schiano accepted, it was bc of the position. Michigan. If he changed his mind, it was bc of his family.
"im pretty sure i know more about the GAME of football than most of you..."
@gsimmons85:
I'm sure you've probably gone over this before, but I clearly missed it: are you a coach or a player or something? I ask based on the assertion that YOU know more about the game of football that "most of [us]." I'm not saying you are wrong, but some elucidation would be appreciated. Thanks..
@00goblue00
Is the SEC really that much tougher than the Big 10? Or have people just said it so many times that everyone accepts it as gospel. Or, to put it another way; if App State played Louisiana Monroe, who do you think would win?
cfaller - I don't buy that their are only SOME coaches who are available. This isn't like baseball where our search has to coincide with someone's free agency. We can contact ANY coach in the country - even if they just signed a new contract with their school! - for this job. Practically, some coaches ARE out (Stoops, Meyer, Tressell would never leave for Michigan). But literally, everyone is a candidate.
ryan, once again....
if you cant keep up, many in the football community have talked about what a great fit grobe would be at michigan... but i guess since you dont think he would.....
gsimmons is, I believe, a high school coach.
@AAB-
I have watched enough games and when I say enough that means basically every game you can watch on a saturday (home or away) over the past 5 years to see that the SEC is tougher than the Big 10. A lot of the teams in the SEC are competitive with the Big 10 you have about 3-4 every year. That opinion is formulated by myself from watching, not listening to people on here say it and then believing it.
how come no one is mentioning Wally Buono of the British Columbia Lions? He's been one of the best coaches in the history of the Canadian Football League and has won the Grey Cup four times! That's very impressive.
"gsimmons is, I believe, a high school coach.
Chitownblue 00 | 12.12.07 - 2:33 pm | # "
@Gsimmons85:
Is this true? If so, what HS?
\Is it time to give this year a name yet?//
The Year of the Piss Frisbee.
Rumor and innuendo. No facts. Was Schiano made a specific offer. What was it. If we know all this other stuff why not anything specific? Who is on the list of 20? Why has no one seen it, yet everyone seems to "Know" who we are considering.
I "think" that Michigan feels no pressure because there is no one that was or is left in the field that will pay the way they will. So no "real" candidates are at risk - need the bums rush to hire.
Carr gets ~$1.5 million, his assistants get ~$1.3 million. It would be very easy for Martin to throw another $2.0 million at the HC position and another $1.0-1.5 million at the assistants. Heck the AD runs a $7.0 million surplus and we don't even have the new stadium improvements yet.
So if you are the biggest $$ player, then only loyalty can beat you.
That is why Miles agent was calling urgently, he thought he could get Mich into a bidding war for his client. We are the biggest $$ guys out there and the only one that could give LSU a run. In fact, he probably felt it was a given. But I think we have other, bigger plans in mind.
Anybody hear that Urban Meyer and the Florida AD do not get along? Watch for something big - something to sell those Luxury Boxes which have not all been sold.
you guys are all pathetic whiners. what makes kelly a great coach? his ability to win one season with dantonio's team? neither miles nor kelly have stayed at any place long enough to determine if they can truly build a program. just because "brian" doesn't know every event that is taking place behind the scenes, you're ready to jump off a cliff. did anyone know petrino was being considered for ar - kansas before his hiring was announced? apparently not. no one knew about beilein until he was signed. just chill out and . . . have a great day!
You people are fucking nuts. I would take Petrino in a heartbeat. Slimeball. What do you know? It's this assinine arrogance that has been at the core of the problem the whole search. Those three pieces of shit clinging to a phantom view of Michigan having some moral supremacy has us pathetic clowns in the eyes of all and without a coach. IT IS TIME THAT EVERYONE, INCLUDING THAT SACK OF SHIT CARR, THAT WORTHLESS PRESIDENT COLEMAN, AND THAT FREE ASSWIPE MARTIN, REALIZE WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FUCKING COACH, NOT A SUCCESSOR TO GHANDI.
Lord help me, this shit is giving me a coronary. To think, we could have had Miles or Petrino or Kelly AND MICHIGAN'S ARROGANCE STOPPED US makes me want to kill more than kittens.
chill,
sorry once again, i usually never bring it up, and i dont claim to be a genious or anything...
brian started asking me my opinions or certain thaings during the season, thats how most know me on this blog.
yes player... not the greatest.... and coach for going on 12 years in north carolina now.. defensive coordinator at a 4-a school...
Petrino may be a talented coach from an offensive perspective, but his case I think Martin is absolutely correct to bypass him.
I think the resistance to Kelly is based on the Debord/Deromedi connection. There's enough smoke out there that I think it's reasonable to assume Kelly is indeed someone who rubs people the wrong way. Whether that should keep us from at least interviewing him I don't agree with. The most pressing concern is whether he would eventually bolt to a team out east, since he's from thataway. Or to the NFL, for that matter.
I think that among the established, reasonably successful coaches at BCS schools, Grobe is probably the best fit for us. Whether he'd come I have no clue. I can understand why he turned down Ar-Kansas; they're a little bit looney down there. I'd be more enthusiastic about him if he were 10 years younger, but then he probably would have already been hired by someone quicker on the draw than Martin.
Definitely preferable to Hoke or MD or Hoke or Marvin Freaking Lewis.
"Yesterday I hit Publix after work (grocery store) and the little retarded kid bagging my groceries made fun of my " M " visor... Giving me hell about our situation.. I didn't even know how to respond to him.. ha it was bad"
hey that waz mee and if you com back ill kick yer ass. you dont even have know coche you stupid ass.
Love your work, but I think you're way off here.
For the reasons mentioned by the commenters above, I would hate to see the program put in the hands of Bobby Petrino. You think that just because we're Michigan, Petrino wouldn't look around? That completely ignores his entire coaching background, and relies on an over-inflated sense of the program that you chastise Bill Martin for having.
Moreover, it seems evident to me that a significant reason that we are having difficulty hiring a coach and have been turned down repeatedly is the pool of candidates who Martin is considering. Clearly, a significant component of not being "off" is having staying power and a history of loyalty to your employer. That is, there are reasons Martin pursued Greg Schiano and not Bobby Petrino, and one of those reasons is that Schiano is reluctant to leave his job (see, e.g., passing up Miami last year) while Petrino can't say no to any job. Getting turned down is an inherent risk when you only consider candidates who've demonstrated loyalty.
Finally, I think Ron English is absolutely a viable candidate. He may not be Bo Pellini as a DC, but the HC job requires a different skill set than does a coordinator (particularly at a place like Michigan). I think that he would be an excellant transition from Lloyd -- maintaining many of Lloyd's better traits -- while also bringing a new enthusiasm and attitude to the program. As for his lack of HC experience, Lloyd was a first-time HC at Michigan, too. That worked out alright.
If Michgian coaching search were to be analogized to The Hills, who would be who, here's how I see it:
Michigan - Lauren - a real cutie, but seemingly always a bridesmaid, never a bride
Kirk Ferentz - Stephen - Very safe, very nice, would be cute with Lauren, but can't get his mind off another girl (Kristen/Iowa)
Les Miles - Jason - sort of a bad boy that Lauren is always drawn to, keeps going back just to get heartbroken again until finally giving up after Jason gets engaged to Katja (LSU)
Brady Hoke - Brody Jenner - First impressions are kind of weird, Brody seems like a tool at first, but it's most likely because his affiliation with Spencer (Ball St.). Over time he grows on everyone and looks like a viable candidate for Lauren's love, especially when he separates from Spencer and is free to be himself.
But look, I was just trying to point out these two hyprocrisies in Brian's boosting of Miles and simultaneous trashing of Grobe:
1. Brian complains that Grobe is old. Grobe is 6 months older than his candidate, Miles.
2. Brian complains that pursuing Grobe is pursuing a "stereotype" and perpetuating an image at Michigan. Les Miles was the single front runner for the Michigan job because he was a Michigan player and coach under Bo Schembechler - perpetuating the "Michigan Man" tradition. That is SO much more of a pursuit of an image than anything with Grobe could feasibly be called.
herb 86-
No Kelly is a good coach because he did it at Cincinati, CMU, and at GVSU. Everywhere he goes he wins.
@ Mallett
No selects, this calls for full leaded Budweiser.
Which is a long way of saying; people hate Bill Martin because a bunch of false rumors sounded bad. And that's messed up.
Martin has admitted he was out sailing without being in contact with the search committee or his staff for a whole weekend.
He has been alternatively silent and arrogant with his comments.
This is not rumor. His reputation is being tarnished because he has been carrying himself as a fool and an amateur throught his "process."
He has known since early Septmber that he needed to find a new coach. He was hamhanded with Miles and Schiano, giving him and the University that lost to a 1-AA team a severe black eye,
That is what we know - it is not a rumor.
@MDan
Anyone who thinks Lloyd Carr is a "sack of shit" has pretty much forfeited any credibility they might have.
Honestly, I think the "Lloyd Carr is sabotaging this search/Lloyd is a jerk" stuff is the most disgusting part of the fanbase reaction to this search.
And that's really, really saying something.
@ herb 86
For one, Kelly built a program at D2 Grand Valley. He completely turned around CMU in 3 years, and finally, he had more success with Dantonio's players than Dantonio did.
And who says the new coach has to "build" a program?? 30+ years of making bowl games doesn't sound to me like it needs to be built. Tweaked, maybe, but not built.
Ryan-
I fail to follow your points.
You note that most of the fan base wanted Miles, so we shouldn't be upset if they're not excited about Grobe.
Now, you seem to call out those that are saying Grobe is one of the best coaches by responding, "just because everyone says he's the best, doesn't mean he's the best fit."
So what is it? The candidate should be whatever consensus the fan base determines is the best "fit"?
How is Grobe not a good fit if you concede that he's one of the best coaches in America? Because he's not Les Miles?
Dude, Stephen and Kristen aren't on The Hills!
I watch too much tv.
\And he lost 2 games, didn't blow anyone out in 2 months, and had to sneak into the NC game.//
One of the first questions Napoleon liked to ask about generals he was considering for a campaign: "Is he lucky?"
True story.
"IT IS TIME THAT EVERYONE, INCLUDING THAT SACK OF SHIT CARR, THAT WORTHLESS PRESIDENT COLEMAN, AND THAT FREE ASSWIPE MARTIN, REALIZE WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FUCKING COACH, NOT A SUCCESSOR TO GHANDI.
Lord help me, this shit is giving me a coronary. To think, we could have had Miles or Petrino or Kelly AND MICHIGAN'S ARROGANCE STOPPED US makes me want to kill more than kittens."
MDan - you're calling others crazy?
What the hell would it take for SBM to interview Chris Peterson??
@ There is only one Mike-
why oh why couldn't you have made someone Justin Bobby??
00goblue00, you are wasting your breath. Anyone who argues that Miles isn't a good coach is a fool. the "talent" argument has been disproven and the alternatives, given the arrogance of the three stooges, is horrific.
Thanks for the info Gsimmons85.
Anyone see this garbage?: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...6/71212038/
1048
@Johnny Sideburns
Luck isn't repeatable, at least not over the long term. That's why great teams blow people out; if you play in enough close games, you're going to lose some of them. Which, of course, is one of the biggest criticisms of Lloyd Carr.
I remember when M-Dan used to say stuff like "pardon my french".
Meeeeechigan Dan-
Chill out.
I think Miles is a good coach. Thinking he's a good coach is different from thinking he's the "only coach."
What the hell would it take for Michigan to hire a G D search firm to knock out the initial leg work.
Thanks for the info Gsimmons85.
Anyone see this garbage?: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...d...6/71212038/
1048
No one thought he was the only coach, but lets face it, he wasn't horrible by any means...
go blue hens?
00goblue00-
To be fair, you don't think some posters here thought he was the only coach? Come on!! (And I'm talking about you at all)
Off with her head... arrrghhhh!!!
Sorry for the bad link. Again:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...6/71212038/
1048
Screw all that. Nice, nice is over. If that sack of shit had retired at the right time and had taken his cronyism out the picture, all would be well. Fuck him.
Sorry JeremyB, forgot to switch the false name back from last week.
I would be shocked if we hired Grobe.I dont know a single person in the AD that thinks Ron English isnt atleast a few times better than him.
xyz@umich | 12.12.07 - 2:25 pm |
An amazing quote and, if true, is an indication of the mentality of Michigan's AD. Grobe, ACC coach of the year, on everyones top 20 list of college coaches, is not as good as the Michigan DC.
A 2-year DC with NO head coaching experience is "at least a few time better" than last year's ACC coach of the year.
What an absolute perfect example of Michigan's idiodic arrogance in the AD that has landed them in place they are in right now.
ThWard,
was there supposed to be a not in there?
@MDan-
Thanks, I know. I am with you and agree with most of what you say.
Calm down though, seriously. I like you posting here, I like and value your opinions and we don't need you giving yourself a coronary right now and not being able to post on here. I know it's annoying, but this is not worth giving yourself a coronary just yet! When the head coach is announced and its not to our liking, then by all means certainly go on a tirade. :)
@chitownblue
I don't buy that their are only SOME coaches who are available
Oh my, we vigorously disagree here. Chitown, would you have thought that the Rutgers coach was available prior to his rejection of us? I mean, seriously- was he one of the "large" group of "candidates," or did you put him in the same box as Meyers and Stoops?
I don't blame Schiano for saying 'no,' but that's me- I understand that Michigan, as great as it is, still needs to be sold to a coaching candidate. That's because presumably a Michigan coaching candidate would be
-successful
-smart
-loyal
etc.
and successful, smart, loyal, etc. coaches don't just up and pack their bags just because OMG!Michigan called. Generally, successful coaches in existing programs are happy where they are, and thus most of them aren't willing to make a move to Michigan...just 'cuz it's OMG!Michigan.
And the rejection by the Rutgers coach and the LSU coach and the Iowa coach proves that. Michigan is not on some higher plane where the laws of supply and demand don't exist. We have to pick from the "available" pool just like everybody else.
That Keeler shit is interesting....here's more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._...ki/
K._C._Keeler
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data...hp?
coachid=1231
Initial reaction: He's brash...hmmm..
Delaware coach is now on the hot list.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...2038/0/
SPORTS06
"What the hell would it take for Michigan to hire a G D search firm to knock out the initial leg work."
This is like the people that complain about us not having a Special Teams coach - they read a complaint about it once, somewhere, and repeat it ad nauseum. Just like there are less than 10 programs in the nation with a dedicated Special Teams Coach, most schools do not hire head hunting firms to find their coaches. Nebraska does not equal everyone.
Why are we content to aim down? Why Brian Kelly? Yes he has won where ever he has been. Yet if win at BGSU, Utah and FLA (inc. the National Championship) that is too rich for Mich blood.
Is there any truth to the rumor that Urban Meyer and the FLA AD do not get along?
"retired at the right time"
Michigan started 11-0 last season. Was anyone calling for his retirement then? Of course not. Lloyd Carr is one of the most dignified men in the coaching business, and for anyone to suggest he has anything other than the best interest of the University of Michigan at heart is a goddamn joke. Revisionist history if the worst sort.
Keeler is a Delaware alum. That IS his dream job.
chill,
sorry i know i sounded self-righteous, im just frustrated by the negativity, when very positive things are still out there....
ThWard, with viable alternatives, I lose no sleep losing Les. With our current alternatives, it's a friggin' disaster.
I said it before, 'we have two of the Three fucking Stooges running the search and it ain't the good ones' (Moe, Curly or Larry...or even Shemp) it's Joe 'not so haarrddd' Besser and his replacement Curly Joe Dorita...we have the two just god awful Stooges running the search for a new coach and it's driving me up the damned wall...
Why is this University so damned cheap when it comes to paying coaches? This isn't the old days when your name and reputation could get someone to take less money to come here...nowadays you can put together winning programs and get in the national spotlight anywhere and no one of value is going to take a million and a half less to coach at Michigan, just because it's Michigan. Damn, I don't know why in the hell I was so jazzed up through the season thinking that change was coming at the end of the season. Lloyd made the decision to retire, but it appears that not a damn thing has changed.
This just in: Nothing.
Get used to it.
Jim Grobe coached at Ohio U. No ties to the Midwest? Ohio is a MAC school. Come on, he's one of the best out there and he seems like a good guy.
cfaller - I'm not saying that every coach out there wants to coach here. I do honestly believe that everyone has a price. LSU found Miles'. We didn't find Schiano's. If we offered Schiano $3 million +, he'd be wearing a Michigan hat right now.
@ThWard
00goblue00-
To be fair, you don't think some posters here thought he was the only coach? Come on!! (And I'm talking about you at all)
I am assuming there was supposed to be a not in there, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now :)
But agreed. Some people did think he was the only coach. I get that. I am just saying, maybe he wasn't the savior of Michigan football, but he certainly wouldn't have been a let down by any means.
So I says, "Hey Lama....":
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...044/1008/
NEWS06
I WAS THE ONLY PERSON HERE PUSHING KEELER! I'M AT LEAST AS SMART AS BILL MARTIN! KISS THE RING NEW MEMBERS OF THE KEELER MAFIA.
We don't know what's going on. All we know is what a bunch of malcontents are typing online.
Keeler -
1)Delaware alum
2)incharge of the most successful FBS (longer term, app state is short term).
3)I can not imagine him coming here
Actually, Kelly had pretty much the same record as Dantonio with an easier OOC schedule.
If Kelly had played tOSU and VT in the OOC, you could add two losses. Oregon State was a nice win, but hardly amazing.
Kelly is not the proven some think (remember the BC-CMU game?), and from what I hear from my friends back in MI, he's not a character guy.
The right time at the end of the year. And I do not give a shit anymore what a swell old dude he is. He's fucked everything up. Go open a museum.
"chill,
sorry i know i sounded self-righteous, im just frustrated by the negativity, when very positive things are still out there....
gsimmons85 | 12.12.07 - 2:45 pm | # "
No worries at all. I just prefer a bit of context.
@ xyz@umich
If Ron English is so damn great, with all of the coaching vacancies there have been so far this year, how many head coaching offers has he had so far????
What I mean to say, I suppose, is that there is nothing stopping us from going after literally anybody.
It seems highly plausible that Schiano and Miles both turned Michigan down because of the possible requirement that Debord keeps his job for at least one or two years. The possibility of this being true is both very real and very sad.
Actually, I brought up keeler for head coach during their semifinal match with alot of information. Then cast him aside due to the fact it looks impossible. Anyone remember which thread that was?
Meeeeechigan Dan.
Share your viable alternatives.
Me? Kelly (sorry, blacklisted and all, but as a reader of a premium site, I see enough rumblings to think there's a 1% chance), Grobe (to quickly dismiss him as Brian did seems lazy- and I love Brian's work), Tedford, Petersen.
Assuming you're anti-Grobe, are you saying you don't think the others are viable? Or that you don't like them (or anyone else)?
MDan - when would you have wanted Lloyd to announce?
Relatively minor point, but there appears to be some "misinformation" about two coaching candidates ages:
Jim Grobe - Born February 17, 1952 (Age: 55)
Les Miles - Born November 10, 1953 (Age: 54)
Difference just under 19 months.
And now I have the song "16 going on 17" stuck in my head.
Come on people, the next coach doesn't have to have any previous ties to Michigan. If such a tie is absolutely necessary, we will be left with Bo's bones.
(ha, yes, obviously I meant "not talking about you")
"For Schiano to turn the job down there has to be something wrong with someone. Maybe it's Schiano, but the preponderance of the evidence says otherwise."
No - Schiano is too personally invested in Rutgers and his family and his Jersey heritage. Schiano was the problem - he was a flawed candidate who never should have been offered, because he was not going to accept.
My crystal ball says we are going to promote English and let LC mentor him similarly to how Bo mentored Carr. Hell, they will probably give Carr Bo''s old office in Schembechler Hall. I'm actually down with this option as long as he is allowed to broom anyone on the current staff he chooses to, similarly to Bielema 2 years ago @ Wiscy when he was elevated.
Go Blue!
Keeler would come here.
The thing nobody ever points about Delaware is that the helmets are the same because the guys who turned the program into a major one were both former Michigan players and assistants. It's just us reaping the rewards of sending them there.
I agree with the sentiments of this post entirely. Michigan should not be eliminating good coaches who would want to coach here.
We need change, not conformity. Michigan football is about winning, just like almost all programs are. Stop pretending it should be about more than that.
btw, doesn't Grobe look like Eric Mangini in that picture Brian posted?
" It seems highly plausible that Schiano and Miles both turned Michigan down because of the possible requirement that Debord keeps his job for at least one or two years. The possibility of this being true is both very real and very sad.
hillhaus | Homepage | 12.12.07 - 2:48 pm | #
And this is what I hate. Nobody knows this. This is BS internet rumor that somehow gets codified into reality with enough repetition - just like "Lloyd Carr blackballed Les because Les slept with Mrs. Carr" or "Lloyd Carr has Parkinsons". NOBODY KNOWS ANY OF IT.
Ryan:
That would be one Harold "Tubby" Raymond.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har...ubby%
22_Raymond
I love Brian's work, but I will disagree here. I think Grobe is fairly universally seen as a "the risk is worth it" candidate for bigger jobs. What he's done at Wake against "big-time" schools is pretty impressive. I thought he should have been on the list earlier. His cred at an "academic" school should get him a plus in MSC's office.
They took Louisville to the wire last year and they were definitely overmatched. The ACC's weak but you still gotta win the games.
It's only a matter of time that a really strong, stable job opens for him and he takes it. If we get Grobe I'll have a party.
00goblue00--
No, I don't think so either re: Miles.
But a discussion about Miles' coaching ability shouldn't inform a debate about Grobe or any other candidate. To do so suggests that the person really only believes there is one good coach (Miles).
Frankly, I agree with Brian about the process/criteria being effed up. But I fear he's letting his Miles obsession color his assessment of other candidates. Maybe, maybe not.
Put another way:
If I say, "What do you think of Grobe?" and the responses are a debate about Miles, well, let's just say I think some of us have to let go.. (and again, I'm NOT(!!) talking about you).
@ThWard
haha okay. I was going to say. I hope I'm not going to have to go into bitch mode on him :)
I supported him yes, thought he should be the #1 candidate but by all means did not think he was or should be the only one.
Bitch mode averted.
formerlyanonymous,
Because a guy went there doesn't mean he wouldn't leave if he thought the offer was right. Delaware is the Michigan of 1-AA, but nobody would fault him if he made the jump to us.
Anyone know whether the Dalai Lama is coming to campus as an advisor on the coaching search or a candidate?
Here is another Grobe article:
http://deathrattlesports.com/
ind...cessfully+saved.
BRCE: What good coach that wants to coach here has Michigan "eliminated"? I'm curious.
I've got a very strong feeling that the next coach is going to be Cam Cameron. I hope I'm wrong.
"Something is rotten in the state of Schembechler, and it will not yield the throne."
I would posit that we're not in the state of schembechler anymore - no longer is the football office a place where excellence is valued above political back-scratching and press polish. No longer is the coach seen as the coach whose job it is to coach. Now he's a material extension of the university president's cabinet and has to be vetted as such. I'm glad I'm ditching my PhD program and getting out of academia because there's no way I could take this kind of crap my entire career.
NYBLUE - I hope you're wrong too. Cameron was a disaster when he coached Indiana.
We are about to spend a week in FLA with one that is a midwest guy, won everywhere he has been, says good things about Mich, idolized Bo (his words), and Lloyd says good things about him. Plus there is some evidence that he and his AD are not getting along.
So why not ask?
@ Chitownblue 00
DeBord's contract was renegotiated at the start of this season to guarantee him either a position or pay through 2008, if I remember correctly. It isn't completely an internet rumor. It's more of a very scary possibility with some reality based upon signed contracts.
FWIW,
This is what the rivals mod has to say about keeler.
"[the rumor] started yesterday as a joke.... and seems to have made the rounds"
No, Delaware is not the Michigan of FCS. They are much better, although they had similar problems of running the same ancient offense for way too long (winged T).
But the Michigan connection to UD wouldn't mean that much to a current coach.
hillhaus
"possiblity" in whose mind? I hate to channel anon from the previous post, but truly, though I am disappointed that we didn't get Miles (hold off on the enticements, Chill), we don't know why he's not coming here. Not enough $$? LC? Likes BR winters better? Kathy threatened him? JK. Schiano, seems to me, couldn't leave the fam and being the Rutgers hero. BM has to know that your possiblity would kill too many kittens. And BM LOVES KITTENS!
Delaware was run by Michigan guys from 1951-2001. They ran the same offense as Fritz Crisler. Now, Keeler runs the spread instead of the Winged T but it's a pro style spread. It will work out if we hire him, it will be better then the Tressel hire.
@ThWard-
I understand where you are coming from with Brians latest post. The process is screwed up for sure. I don't think Grobe would be a bad hire, I just don't see it happening.
I just get a little annoyed when people say that Miles completely sucks. He doesn't by any means. Every coach makes questionable calls etc but if he sucks then that means coaches like Grobe or Kelly suck too. I don't think any of them do but just saying.
I know you aren't attacking me and I don't feel like I have to defend myself against you. Just saying that if you are going to lay claim that Miles sucks (which he clearly doesn't) then one could argue that any other coaches in this search suck too. Ya know?
BTW, doesn't Grobe look like Eric Mangini in that picture Brian posted?
ThWard, with viable alternatives, I lose no sleep losing Les. With our current alternatives, it's a friggin' disaster.
Meeechigan Dan | Homepage | 12.12.07 - 2:46 pm | #
Exactly my thoughts. I don't believe we're gonna get Grobe, Peterson, Kelly or anyone else that's good if we don't get Miles. I think we're gonna get Mr. Hanky, or Brady Hoke, or Mike DeBord, or some other shit sandwich.
Hillhaus - the fact that he has a contract going through 2008 is old hat. That doesn't mean that Michigan is letting candidates walk away because they refuse to pay DeBord $600,000 to sit at home next year.
What about Gary Crowton?
I think he deserves a look.
@xyz@umich
I would be shocked if we hired Grobe. I dont know a single person in the AD that thinks Ron English isn't at least a few times better than him.
xyz@umich | 12.12.07 - 2:25 pm
I concur with Blue Durham about this quote. Not only does it show a lack of knowledge of the coaching community, but also a staggering amount of arrogance.
Shorter xyz: we don't think he's as good as one of our own, therefore he isn't as good as one of our own. Damn the facts!
We are who we thought we were. Wow.
Oh, and to the KG Mafia: if xyz is a legit "insider" at the AD, then you can pretty plainly see that the King's chances are slim- at best- of beating out Hoke or English.
Does a Keeler hire sell luxury boxes at MICH Stadium?
Carr should have retired after the SECCG, if we were intent on Miles. Otherwise, at the end of the football season for other coaches.
I would take Grobe just to put me out of my fucking misery. He would be OK. Not what I signed on for, but I will take it.
If Peterson, Tenuta, Kelly, Petrino were all getting looks, I would be sane now.
Hey guys, I need to pick a new mafia. I've decided my Harbaugh mafia from last night isn't going to cut it. Can the leaders of the different mafias currently available please give me their pitch as to why I should join their mafia and the benefits of doing so? Thank you and have a great day.
WTF (and M Dan if you agree with WTF):
If you're right, save me a spot on the riot bandwagon. But I'm holding out hope.
As I said earlier... I think Martin really is a blind squirrel. I have no reason to assume he'll make a good hire because I have no faith in his process... but I DO think there's a shot he'll luck into one. Doesn't mean he did a good job, just that a tragedy was averted. Hoping for the best.
and to edit
"If PEOPLE are going to lay claim that Miles sucks." Didn't mean to say "you"
Grobe doesn't look like Mangini. He looks like a fucking KING.
Hey, I just got on the radio! THe Ticket!
Can't believe those idiots let me talk.
HIre the chimp!
K.C. Keeler (47 yrs old):
78-80 - Linebacker @ Delaware ... fuck
81-85 - Assistant @ Amherst
86-92 - Assistant @ Rowan
93-01 - HC @ Rowan going 88-21-1 (.804) with 7 D3 playoff appearances
01-present - HC Delaware. D1 AA title in 03.
Delawarean of the year in 04
American Football Monthly lists as as top recruiter
Instead of the hat.. the shades, even at night
Yea, not a candidate I imagine with the strong Delaware ties.
-----------------------------------
he also ditched the winged T that delaware had used for nearly 60 years for the spread.
I have a new top candidate!
KC Keeler for HC!!!
formerlyanonymous | 12.08.07 - 6:23 pm |
--------------------------------------
# 2003 Division I-AA Championship, first national title in 24 years.
# 2003 Season Results: All games;15-1, Conference;8-1
# 2004 Season Results: All games;9-4, Conference;7-1
# 2005 Season Results: All games;6-5, Conference;3-5
# 2006 Season Results: All games;5-6, Conference;3-5
# 2007 Season Results: All Games;10-3, Conference;5-3
# As noted in the University of Delaware online news source UDaily article, K.C. Keeler's contract was extended through 2009
I cast him away after that. Ryan, technically you are behind a poster named Don... which is fitting name for the Keeler Mafia. Don Don.
formerlyanonymous,
Raymond and Nelson revered Michigan. I'm sure they'd* tell K.C. to take it, and that's why I think it's important.
* Is David Nelson dead?
People? I ain't PEOPLE!
@Ryan
I like Keeler too. And if he can beat App. State in the SubD Championship that's a message from the football gods that he's the right man for the job.
@chunks
lol wasn't referring to you.
00goblue00--
Too late for the edit. You're on my shit list.
"Hey guys, I need to pick a new mafia. I've decided my Harbaugh mafia from last night isn't going to cut it. Can the leaders of the different mafias currently available please give me their pitch as to why I should join their mafia and the benefits of doing so? Thank you and have a great day.
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 2:58 pm | # "
Two words: free crack.
Chitownblue
I'm not saying that every coach out there wants to coach here. I do honestly believe that everyone has a price. LSU found Miles'. We didn't find Schiano's. If we offered Schiano $3 million +, he'd be wearing a Michigan hat right now.
Yeah, we disagree. But I don't see any way that we can come together on this point, so...how is the Transformers DVD?
English better than Grobe? Spare me. English is an OK DC who doesn't know an off tackle play from a post. He'd get stuck with some crony for OC. It would be a disaster.
@ThWard-
awesome. thanks. lol.
TX,
The Keeler mafia is accepting new members.
hillhaus
only required that [kitten killer] be paid through next season, not that he have a job.
We're looking, it seems, for the SAME ONLY DIFFERENT. A "different" coach won't please the SAME crowd, and vice versa.
It can be done. But it won't be easy.
Patience -- oh, and a whole shitload of cash -- is the only solution.
@Ryan
But I'm getting free crack from the MtMM...what can you offer?
from GBW:
Okay, I know what all the mods have said on both networks' Michigan sites. I know I've also said let's forget about Brian Kelly. But I just heard something very interesting...
Kelly's buyout is cut in half as of January 2nd. Also, through the coaching fraternity a mutual friend was told by a current Cincinnati assistant that, "We're very much in play for Michigan."
I just heard this 15 minutes ago from a very, very good source. Hopefully the Mods can verify one way or the other. Personally, I think Brian Kelly is a better coach than Les Miles. Way better. But apparently there has always been something in his past holding him back.
Maybe we're willing to overlook some things now that we've been publicly rejected thrice?
TX,
The "Really would like to see URF from OSU and Recruiting [insert day here]" Mafia wants real content in this monotony of speculation.
@ cfaller96 -
I agree and am now totally despondent. If this xyz guy really is plugged into the AD, then it just goes to show that this deck was stacked from the beginning to favor an inside hire.
Of course, none of our coordinators are beating off job offers from other programs, but damnit, they're Michigan and thus must be better than everyone else regardless of the facts!
For the record: before the Grobe supporters (opponents) get into too much of a frenzy.
From what I can tell, this is mostly starting from ONE rumor on the premium board by someone who throws a million rumors out a day and hopes it'll stick. Now, for Brian to post it suggests legitimacy... but, well, you know, Ferentz, Miles, Schiano and all that.
So, post and debate away. I'm going to focus on work and hope Michigan has a legitimate coach sooner than later.
Problem with Transformers was that you can't tell which robots were Autobots and which were Decepticons when they fought. Other than that, lots of explosions. I like explosions.
Youdontknowme:
Be careful when you say "From GBW"
That's not from an insider, it's from a poster who posts a lot of rumors.
Apparently some people don't think there's a difference of modality between possibility and actuality.
Lloyd mandating DeBord's return as OC is a possibility. If DeBord returning were a complete impossibility, they wouldn't have interviewed him for the HC position in the first place.
Question:
Since head of mafias that are males are referred to as "Don's" If a woman was to lead a mafia what would she be called The Donna?
\Lloyd Carr is one of the most dignified men in the coaching business, and for anyone to suggest he has anything other than the best interest of the University of Michigan at heart is a goddamn joke.//
If by "dignified" you mean an older and grumpier version of Jimmy Stewart, you're absolutely spot-on.
His lack of vision RE: the timing of his retirement announcement is exceeded only by his lack of vision as an offensive mind. He didn't do anyone any favors, least of all the University of Michigan. If his retirement was the worst-kept secret in the entire NCAA, there would've been nothing wrong with him waiting until after the bowl game (which he's going to coach anyway) to announce it.
If anything, announcing his retirement to his team the morning of the bowl game may have been the extra kick in the pants they need to inspire them against Florida.
ThWard - as we discussed this morning, I'm going into the whole thing the the attitude that every rumor I hear is BS - so a Grobe hire would be a surprise, and no Grobe hire would be met with a shoulder-shrug.
@formerlyanonymous
I have 0 desire to read the OSU UFR. Plus you called it a URF, which would be right if you were Yoda. So, your mafia is out.
Next?
00goblue00
Yes, Donna, absolutely. The prima donna. (heavy Sicilian accent)
Youdontknowme:
Sorry, take that back. The guy that posted that is a well-respected dude. NOt who I thought it was.
@ MDan -
I am with you on your list. But given very disturbing rumblings out of the AD, I now think that I only care that I want an outside hire that will totally clean house, fumigation and all.
Unfortunately, we are going to get a crony.
@bleeding blue-
good point. I'm Italian and didn't even think of that lol. Question answered.
Indeed. Too common are typos today i say.
"Question:
Since head of mafias that are males are referred to as "Don's" If a woman was to lead a mafia what would she be called The Donna?
00goblue00 | 12.12.07 - 3:05 pm | # "
No sexism intended, but I don't think the Mafia Code--specifically, omerta--makes any allowances for women. Just look at Connie in the Godfather...that's about as close as you get (i.e. having a hot-headed brother named Sonny).
I need to go off for a bit... 00goblue00, I'm making you interim head of the Keeler mafia, since you have expirience running the MtMM.
I have personally heard a lot more positive vibes for Kelly than Grobe.
If they hire Brian Kelly, I'll have you all know that I'm going to take all the credit...sorry BKINAT...
Hate to compare the team here and UM, but the team here didn't hire a coach until mid January. What's wrong with being patient until the end of the bowl season? Do we really want a coach that's willing to bolt before Jan 7??
Just my two coppers.
"I need to go off for a bit... 00goblue00, I'm making you interim head of the Keeler mafia, since you have expirience running the MtMM.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:09 pm | # "
^^Um...you can't triple stamp a double stamp. Throw down your muskets and declare your allegiance now!
If they hire Kelly, I will apologize to all and buy everyone a case of Chivas.
@Chill
Well. That should be changed because women can be just as vicious as men, if not more so.
I'll be the Prima Donna of the "I don't give a shit who it is until it is announced at a presser Mafia"
@Ryan-
I don't know anything about him. But I'll try to hold it down for you while you are out lol.
the bottom line in the coaching search is just that...the bottom line. there are a handful of BIG ticket donors that will guarantee that martin, et al pick someone who will not in any way endanger the image of our football program as one of 1. integrity 2. absolutely scandal free 3. presenting a solid public image.
if said candidate is also a coaching genius...GREAT! otherwise, someone who's demonstrated that he can manage a football program w/o having a clarett or bush/leinart or other such "hiccup" and still put a team on the field that will have a chance to play for the big 10 champ every year is the single most important criteria
I don't think viciousness is a parameter. But point noted.
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dammit, this isn't EDSBS
ARe we really looking for a savior or a football coach?
Seriously, are we in Bump Elliot land right now?
@ 00goblue00,
Are you female? Or are you internet-cross-dressing with the 'Prima Donna' moniker?
Chitownblue 00, sometimes you seem like the only voice of reason here.
Why are people assuming that there's no "progress" being made in the search? Because there aren't press conferences hourly? Because BILG hasn't posted new information recently? Because the FreeP isn't coming out with wacky new "insider" stories?
If all the rumors about Bill Martin and the coaching search turn out to be true, then I'm as unhappy as any of you about it. But if the rumors turn out to be wrong, and Bill Martin ends up hiring Urban Meyer or some other superstar coach, is everyone here going to write heartfelt apologies to Martin and Mary Sue Coleman?
I think we all need to take a deep breath and wait for some *real* news.
I could live with Grobe.
Four things I hold against Ron English OSU, USC, ASU, and Oregon. Can anyone find a worse 4 game stretch of defense for Michigan (by points, yards, infamy, destroyed illusions?) I also keep hearing Tebow is going to score 74 TDs which leads me to believe confidence English has figured this out is low.
The Bucks won a championship for the 2002 season. They’ve got our number recently. Give them props. I don’t hear a lot chest thumping about last seasons FLA game. If they spit the bit against LSU then they’re half way to being the Buffalo Bills of college football. That’ll make ‘em wish for loss or two next season.
Petrino is a souless whore. The fact that he didn't get a sniff from Michigan at least demonstrates the AD's office isn't half as panicked as the internet fans.
I actually wouldnt mind keeler all that much right now either.....but id rather have miles or meyer
@Chill
Obviously, female. lol. What male on here ends certain posts with smilies? I can't remember anytime, oh except yesterday when BILG impostor posted one for S&G's.
Well, savior or coach--which is it?
These threads are a mess, but to the posters near the top: BM said a long time ago that the new HC would be named at the end of the year. This isnt exactly a race. Youre pretty stupid if you think it is.
We could have hired Hoke the day that Carr quit, or announced Debord at the very same PC where Carr stepped down.
The idea if "racing" to find a new HC has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No offense.
@Chillmodious
If 00goblue00 comes back to the MtMM, you could offer TX Wolverine something else besides free crack: girls (or at least, girl). If I rejoin, then it's plural.
Я требую тренера в течение недели. В течение каждого дня я выносил эту спекулятивную ерунду, я теряю год моей жизни.
tcblue hit the nail on the head !
I have personally heard a lot more positive vibes for Kelly than Grobe.
xyz@umich | 12.12.07 - 3:09 pm |
Okay, I call bullshit here. Multiple media outlets, many of them reliable, have stated that Brian Kelly is NOT a serious candidate, for whatever reason. And xyz squares this conventional wisdom with his/her "insider" knowledge how?
I call bullshit. xyz isn't "in" the AD. xyz is fucking with all of us. So, on the bright side, maybe King Grobe is a viable candidate?
But no, no, that would make too much sense, and Sailboat Bill doesn't give a damn about your facts and logic!
I'm glad I'm ditching my PhD program and getting out of academia because there's no way I could take this kind of crap my entire career.
topher, what type of program? why scrapping it? as a fellow phd-track guy, i'm just curious...
i think too many of us are trying to connect rumors, semi-rumors, and MSM-reported-opinion and a few selected facts. subsequently, conclusions are being jumped to in order create a logical/reasonable explanation for these rumors++ so we can comprehend the situation. thus, LC is some kind of selfish, evil genius who is bent on dominating the AD...MSC & BM are bumbling morons. i think the simple explanation is that there is alot of pressure being exerted on the AAD from many directions, and that they won't talk to coaches untill their season is complete.
i can't say this has gone well...and i can't say we should just be patient and reserve judgement for after the hire is announced (officially). but, how did the osu search go? when was tressel hired? who was the AD there? Geiger, who worked under Canham at Michigan years ago. my point is, not all searches are the same. just b/c NU, R-KS, find coaches in 2 weeks or less doesn't mean M should.
KF rejecting us (if it did happen) looks bad only to those casual fans who know nothing of KFs situation at iowa. ditto for Schiano. ditto for osu and bellotti. ditto for LM, and i still don't believe LM was BM 1st choice.
i have to admit that i'm getting worn down by this search. too many ups & downs w/ miles, et al. and i wasn't totally sold on him to begin w/ either. considering that this search will most likely continue into Jan, i think we neeb to pace ourselves a bit. there will not be any instant gratitifcation.
@00goblue00,
I figured. Just wanted to make sure. I always seek context. And dry land.
Well, know we're getting somewhere. Even though it's got a snowball's chance in hell, I may have to join the MtMM
@bleeding blue
I am back in, just in a much smaller role for now.
Come Jan 9th if we still don't have a coach I will reassume my position as Prima Donna of the MtMM. With chill being the Don of the MtMM.
omg girls on teh internets.
Here we go again.
@00goblue00
Any perks for potential members?
@TX
I'll get back to you on that. What I can let you know right now for certain is that "Miles signed his contract extension" lol :)
As much as I like Petrino as a coach, I am glad that we didn't pursue him. He would have jumped at an SEC opening at a heartbeat. While I am 100% against cronyism, I would like to see a coach who will be in Ann Arbor for 10 years.
Denne trenende letingen er retardert. Jeg betrakter ordrett drepende VIRKELIGE kattunger på det nåværende tidspunkt. Det er ikke at jeg ville gjøre det, men mann som det er den eneste tingen på mitt sinn. knekk knekkknekk
@Jeremy B
I didn't bring it up, I was asked so lets not go down that road again.
HIre the chimp.
Are there any rumblings about Rich-Rod? And if not why the hell not.
"@Chillmodious
If 00goblue00 comes back to the MtMM, you could offer TX Wolverine something else besides free crack: girls (or at least, girl). If I rejoin, then it's plural.
bleeding blue | 12.12.07 - 3:18 pm | # "
I'm a commissar, not a pimp, so it would be against my principles to offer either of you to TX Wolverine. If the free crack doesn't suffice, then I may include some party poppers and a pinata from 1989 (still with the '89 candy in it!). We'll see.
Forget it, there's no way I can reasonably justify joining the MtMM mafia. The possibility of him actually coming is too remote. I'd like to take this opportunity to withdraw my name from consideration of the MtMM.
Smoochieへの死！
OK, to those criticizing the timing of Lloyd's retirement - get real. The man gave a ton to the university and frankly he was free to decide when he wanted to announce. He chose two days after the last game - seems like a logical and good time. It also seems he factored in the recruiting angle (not wanting to mislead recruits). We have no firm evidence that his timing was due to any other factors. Let it go. He earned the right to decide when it was his time.
@TX
I hope it had nothing to do with my recent comment. haha I'm just teasing you!
Who's in the Blow Chunks the Hobo Mafia?
People, Keeler is the answer.
thanks xyz! as "they" say...follow the money. and when there are heavy hitters kicking in 6+ figures, they get a say
I think that Glenn Mason should be considered!
signed,
Glenn Mason
@ken
Why are people assuming that there's no "progress" being made in the search? Because there aren't press conferences hourly? Because BILG hasn't posted new information recently? Because the FreeP isn't coming out with wacky new "insider" stories?
Ken, you're ignoring the time factor. We're headed into the fourth week, and we've either offered the job to a range of one (Schiano) to three (Schiano, Miles, Ferentz) coaches.
Three coaches in a little over three weeks. That's an awfully slow pace, to the point that this smacks of incompetence. No program should ever be so ponderous in its vetting, contacting, and interviewing process.
Now, if you want to make the argument that the AD has been doing a crackerjob and has been interviewing LOTS of candidates, well...that's even worse, because it means that LOTS of candidates are looking under the covers of the job, and are saying 'no.'
So, to sum up, we either have an incompetently-run search, or the job is unattractive to a large number of coaches. Take your pick, but I think at this stage it's pretty irrational to imply or think that there's nothing wrong here.
@00goblue00
I respect the MtMM and everything the MtMM stands for. The MtMM's tradition is truly unparalleled and I used to consider myself part of the MtMM. However, I've found a new mafia: the King Grobe mafia. I can't be in two mafias at once. It saddens me at times. But I'm home.
People, Keeler is the answer.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:26 pm | #
If Delaware beats App. State this weekend, I'll jump on that bandwagon.
"So, to sum up, we either have an incompetently-run search, or the job is unattractive to a large number of coaches."
Either way that is bad. What is making it so unattractive to those people? It still falls back to the AD and the search committee so.
"Forget it, there's no way I can reasonably justify joining the MtMM mafia. The possibility of him actually coming is too remote. I'd like to take this opportunity to withdraw my name from consideration of the MtMM.
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 3:24 pm | # "
I sadly accept your withdrawal. As usual, the MtMM doesn't blackball. Feel free to e-mail me for reinstatement at any time: chillmodious@gmail.com
@TX
Oh we understand. Just watch your back. No one leaves the MtMM for another.
Kidding of course!
TX Wolverine,
You have a damn strong mafia that has a chance to win a championship!
\Are there any rumblings about Rich-Rod? And if not why the hell not.//
RichRod isn't leaving WVU. Not for Alabama, not for Michigan. RichRod was an ace away from playing for the MNC this year despite playing a Big East schedule and a LAAAAAAAAAAAAAME out-of-conference schedule. Why does he want to leave that arrangement and come to "three yards and a cloud of field turf pellets" territory?
The bottom line in the coaching search is just that...the bottom line. there are a handful of BIG ticket donors that will guarantee that martin, et al pick someone who will not in any way endanger the image of our football program as one of 1. integrity 2. absolutely scandal free 3. presenting a solid public image.
tcblue | 12.12.07 - 3:13 pm | #
^^^My sources have stated that as well. The reality, however, is that the "Big Ticket Donors" are split into multiple factions as to the interpretation of the three criteria. Most importantly, they are completely divided as to whether Les Miles or Brian Kelly fit the bill.
@ Brian Cook
Your negativity and single-mindedness are beginning to grate on me. And I've heard from others that feel the same way.
Schiano JUST MIGHT LIKE IT AT RUTGERS. There doesn't have to be anything wrong with anyone. Penn State was nothing before JoePa. Maybe, just maybe, Schiano's thinking is, "I'll either succeed JoePa at PSU or become the JoePa of Rutgers."
re: Grobe
"Runs a crazy offensive system that may or may not translate to higher levels with (possibly) better talent."
Michigan has better talent. Period. If you don't think Michigan has more talent than Wake Forest, then I question your football expertise.
There's a difference between journalism and columnists. Journalists should remain as objective as possible, whereas columnists inject opinion. Bloggers straddle the line between the two. However, you seem to be straying into gossip and opinion more than objectivity.
Please provide more of the latter.
I'm actually lifted by the possibility of Keeler. He won 80% of his games at normally .500 Rowan, provided a breath of fresh air a Delaware while maintaining their winning tradition, recruits well, works hard. His pro-style spread would provide the change we need without completely retooling.
The only knock seems to be: He loves Delaware. Its his dream job. But there seems like there would be some angle we could take here, given the connection between the Delaware and Michigan programs--Michigan alums helped build the Delaware program and gave them their winged helmets. Offer him a ton of money and show him the winged helmet? Maybe?
"@00goblue00
I respect the MtMM and everything the MtMM stands for. The MtMM's tradition is truly unparalleled and I used to consider myself part of the MtMM. However, I've found a new mafia: the King Grobe mafia. I can't be in two mafias at once. It saddens me at times. But I'm home.
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 3:28 pm | # "
^^If I follow you correctly, and then line up your statements with the MtMM's 'mission statement,' it is abundantly clear that you will be back "home" in the MtMM before long.
Mulleted and mustachioed Jeff George is on ESPNclassic if anyone is interested.
Formerly anonymous:
Может быть, мы должны получить Путина назначить следующий автобус. Он очень эффективный.
TX Wolverine:
When you sign your King Grobe Mafia contract extension and 'forget' to remove the MtMM buyout clause, I'll know you're on the way...
Lloyd Carr is one of the most dignified men in the coaching business, and for anyone to suggest he has anything other than the best interest of the University of Michigan at heart is a goddamn joke.//
I used to think that, but two facts, when put together, place some doubt:
1. Lloyd Carr knew, in January, that this would be his last season.
2. Lloyd Carr was able to have the contracts of is assistant coaches/coordinators, extented though 2008, in the month of June.
If these coaches were really good, why would he have to do point 2? They would either be promoted to head coach, retained by the incoming coach, or leave as the result of multiple job offers from other universities. If they were any good, he would not have had to do the contract extension (oh, it sure as hell wasn't to keep them here from other institutions).
But if Carr suspected that these coaches were, shall we say, suspect, then their job prospects would not be so good after he left. Thus the contract extension.
Thus, Lloyd Carr put the financial interests of his coaches above the interest of the University and the athletic department, and the job search is now suffering as a consequence.
So no, I don't agree that Lloyd Carr has only the best interests of the Universtiy at heart - his recent actions in this strongly suggest otherwise.
I love the MtMM, I will always be an MtMM man. I'll root for them every year, especially during the MtMM-KGM game and I know they'll win it eventually.
@Chill
It's all a smoke screen...
OK, the Urban Mafia is officially waxing. we offer things that no one else can offer: piece of mind. contentment. a consistent high which you will feel throughout this search. and it all comes free, if you join. a teaser:
Just think this the next time any news/rumors are reported: 'eh, this is all just a smokescreen so we can hire Urban after the bowl game.'
imagine the euphoria you can feel if you think this after every little piece of news comes out.
Urban Mafia forever!
Chimp mafia is currently looking for donors and poo slingers.
Keeler might even be open to the possibility:
http://www.delawareonline.com/ap...353/1002/
SPORTS
Magnus - Chill out. Brian certainly isn't obligated to provide content that you're happy with, and when has this blog ever been about "objectivity." First and foremost, Brian is a Michigan fan, just like the rest of us. And just like the rest of us (or at least all the fans I know), he's incredibly frustrated. Understandably.
@cfaller96:
Or maybe we have interviewed a number of candidates, and want to interview more before dangling offers out there.
Or maybe our #1 candidate has been too busy for an interview, and we don't want to offer jobs until we talk to him first.
Or maybe we're negotiating with several coaches and their agents about salaries and conditions, and we won't make a decision until we get some ballpark indications about how much they'll cost.
I just think it's hasty to assume that the only possible reasons for the lengthy search are either incompetence or... incompetence. Call me a pollyanna, but I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt when all we have to work with are rumors and speculation.
"@Chill
It's all a smoke screen...
00goblue00 | 12.12.07 - 3:35 pm | # "
[nodding with knowing glee]
Perhaps, we should receive Putin to appoint the following bus. It very effective
Si el chacho borracho
It was clear to me from some Keeler quotes I've seen that he has an immeasurable amount of respect for us. He'd have to listen.
@AAB
@ Magnus
I'm shocked . . . shocked . . . to find gossip & rumor on a blog.
What's next?
Unfounded opinions? Chimp jokes? Mike DeBord?
@DanK
Maybe Urban will do what everyone thought Les would do.
At the end of the bowl game rip off his Florida shirt and have Michigan attire underneath. Put on an M hat and tell Lloyd to step the F back, he's taking over and in 5 years everyone is going to be like "Lloyd Who?"
I wouldn't be opposed to Meyer at all especially since he has expressed interest in the job before.
Here is Wake Forest's Strength & Conditioning Facilities, Coaching Staff, and Training Philosophy...
http://wakeforestsports.cstv.com...e-
strength.html
Free weights? Check
Athletic Lifts? Check
Train for Power? Check
Better than Git (s)HIT?:
YES, YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!
Ken -
You're pollyanna
Keeler would take this job, read the article Daniel posted. We need to make this happen.
"I wouldn't be opposed to Meyer at all especially since he has expressed interest in the job before."
Defecting? Looking like it might be time for a sit-down of the 5 families:
MtMM (miles)
KGM (grobe)
CM (chimp)
UMM (meyer)
KM (keeler)
I just want to repeat: I am not a candidate to join the MtMM nor will I be a candidate to join the MtMM. I spoke with 00goblue00 to help in the search for potential recruits. I will be in the King Grobe mafia next season (unless it's Tedford, then I'm joining his mafia...I don't care about 6-6 this year. It's the Indiana of the Pac-10!)
@ Gnarls Woodson
I never said Brian can't/shouldn't/isn't allowed to write what he wrote.
I simply asked for more objectivity. As a Michigan fan, he might be interested in fans' opinions who don't think exactly like him.
Besides that, it's close-minded to think Schiano's decision might not have an alternate foundation. Self-awareness is good, but self-flagellation isn't always necessary.
Part of the reason the country is laughing at us is because we're so impatient ourselves.
Everyone needs to chill out and let the people do their jobs.
Don't forget the Zoltan Army
HIT is the absolute worst thing you can do for strength sports. Plus, how the hell can you not squat, it's basic for any strength program.
@ Mike Riordan
My point is, MORE news and LESS gossip.
I don't mean ALL news and NO gossip.
Where is the information (links, sources)in this post that suggests Grobe is really the hot candidate?
24kt
to the posters near the top: BM said a long time ago that the new HC would be named at the end of the year. This isnt exactly a race. Youre pretty stupid if you think it is.
The idea if "racing" to find a new HC has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No offense.
Then chalk me up as a stupid idiot, but before we go lauding your intelligence, we should all note that Bill Martin did NOT say the successor would be named at the end of the year. He said he wanted to name the successor by the end of the year. Since you're so much smarter than a stupid idiot like me, I'm sure you see the difference, right? Good. I'm glad we cleared that up, Einstein.
And the reason why there is a "race" aspect to this is because, to paraphrase Les Miles, a coach can't be in two places at once. If Coach X accepts a job at, say, UCLA before Michigan even contacts him, do you still deny that there is a "race" aspect to the coaching search? Or do you arrogantly say, "eh, we didn't want him anyway"?
Example: Paul Johnson was a really, really good coach at Navy, and he obviously was "available" for plucking, as Georgia Tech nabbed him. How much you want to bet he was signed at GT before Michigan even f--king contacted him? Or, worse, would you rather believe that "eh, we didn't want him anyway"? Or, by far the worst, would you rather believe that Michigan did contact him, but he said 'no' to Michigan but 'yes' to f--king Georgia Tech?
When is it going to sink in to people that Michigan is either:
-not vetting, contacting, interviewing, offering candidates fast enough to fend off other programs
-vetting, contacting, interviewing, offering candidates at an admirable pace, but is being rejected at an equally admirable pace
?????
But no no, no need to be "hasty" in finding a candidate. After all, zero experience Ron English, failure Brady Hoke, and godawful failure [NAME REDACTED] are still available!
Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck.
@Chill
Les was my #1 Urban was my #2. Make the exception and let me be in both simultaneously.
@Tx-
I appreciate you trying to help me in the search, but I was out on my boat sailing at the time. Do you think you can call back? I have my new cell phone set up. That damn treo kept giving me problems so I switched to a blackberry. Everything should be in working order, so give me a call anytime!
I have a great mafia and *starts to cry* I... I won't do anything to hurt it.
@Blue Durham 3:34 post:
Great summary. Suspect actions from an "honorable" man...he was handing out golden parachutes to everyone on his staff to make sure they'd land safely after he bailed himself.
If the AD is as handcuffed to those contracts as they seem to be, it's no wonder we're having such a hard time finding another head coach.
In the case of Les, we'd need a buy-out payment not just for his contract but also those of Lloyd's staff.
Someone pass a collections plate of something.
and isn't WF the Indiana of the ACC?
imagine if tedford got Cal to the RB/OB. brian would have had a tedford Trapper Keeper instead of a Miles one.
I took a squat just a few minutes ago. Over in the corner. (Bathroom was too far away and some gangly looking college punk was eyeing my spot at the computer.)
Brian didn't claim to be wearing his journalism hat for this post. Therefore I don't expect objectivity. I agree however all this doom and gloom has been killing my chi.
Chillmodious (MtMM Commissar),
Don't forget the GVSU mafia. They were the "original gangstahs" here.
@Chill
Get the Keeler mafia out of there. Dan=Ryan - the family has one freaking member...
DanK,
The whole ACC is Indiana.
@Chill
No pimpin' - I said "girls" as "in the company of" or presence of.
@bleeding blue-
right. eye candy. nothing more.
True, Ben From SF. True. Point noted, respect duly conveyed.
Now, on Delaware & Keeler....this from Michiganagainsttheworld:
"Resist the easy comparison, people. This is not Jim Tressel, who created a 1-AA dynasty in the same talent rich state in which he later became de facto king.
Keeler has amassed a 52-25 record at Delaware. His Fighting Blue Hens could win their second national championship this weekend, if Armanti Edwards' drooling at the site of the winged helmet limits his effectiveness. Keeler has had 2 great seasons (15-1, 11-3 so far), a good season (9-4), and three forgettable seasons (6-6, 5-6, 6-5). He has no connections to Michigan or the midwest.
This is what Michigan has come to: a pair of MAC failures or a 1-AA coach with mixed results (though some of those results are admittedly fantastic). The best thing I can say about Keeler is that I can at least convince myself that he could be successful at Michigan. Thoughts like risk-taking offense and youth in the coaching ranks and movement away from staid Michigan cronyism and inbreeding and ability to take a team to the top, rebuild, and do it again can and will run through my head. I'll watch Firday's game and make all sorts of deductions as to how his game would translate to the Big Ten. By the time the season starts, I'll be firmly on the bandwagon.
Yup...this is where we're at now. I'm going to have to talk myself into whomever Sailboat Willie chooses to run this program. Nobody is going to jump out and have their creditials speak for themselves. It's going to take a sales pitch to rally any sort of enthusiasm for the eventual hire.
Talk about a fall from grace: from the #2 team in the country to the Nebraska 2.0 in just thirteen months."
@bleeding blue
I'm sure that's exactly how 95% of this board understood it too
@Chill
Get the Keeler mafia out of there. Dan=Ryan - the family has one freaking member...
R-Lew | 12.12.07 - 3:44 pm | #
Heck, I'll join now so it can have two members...
@Ryan,
Minus VT and you have a deal. Indiana could never be that overrated.
R-Lew,
The Keeler mafia has 2 separate members. But I agree, the Keeler Mafia shouldn't be represented. The Mangino Mafia should be.
as godfather, and namer... of the KG mafia, i welcome all new commers, there is no initiation, and you will not be hazed. but the penatly for defecting out.....well, you can imagine....
Check out Tebow's girlfriend on the MZONE. And they say you can't have it all.....
MSC: "Petrino? Isn't he the guy who brought all of those criminals like Miami rejects Willie Williams and Nate Harris to Louisville?"
BM: "Yes, and he doesn't know the first thing about beating to winward."
did the Mangino Mafia just eat the Keeler Mafia after that op-ed I posted from michiganagainsttheworld?
So second coming Don Rya is jumping ship already?
Does anyone know the training philosohpies here. I have a basic understanding (HIT style), but I just can't believe it's actually true. I hear the only free compound movement is benching.
my sentiments == michiganagainsttheworld.
He wears sun shades at night???
@ cfaller96
I understand Paul Johnson is only an example. But maybe Michigan didn't want him. There are a billion reasons Michigan might not be interested in a coach. Just because he's had success elsewhere doesn't mean he's primed for success at Michigan.
Petrino is reportedly a dick. Maybe Michigan wasn't interested.
Kelly is reportedly a dick. Maybe Michigan wasn't interested.
When players talk about Schembechler and Carr, they talk in reverential terms. I haven't followed Kelly's and Petrino's careers as closely, but I don't see them being the type of coaches to command that same sort of respect.
Again, this speaks nothing of Johnson. I know he was just an example. But there are people who know this field of work better than we do. Why not see who's actually hired before we pass judgment?
Nuf for today - gtg back to work. Did I say "back"? Hasta luego (that was for you formerlyanonymous).
No, I still think Keeler would be great. Keeler == better then Grobe.
Yin abi caath, bleeding blue
yeah, Tebow's girl has some big...um....lungs:
http://bp1.blogger.com/
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Alright, a quick analysis of Tedford vs. Grobe.
Wake Forest winning % the 10 years prior to Grobe: 0.33036
Wake Forest winning % after Grobe: 0.51389
Improvement: 0.18353
Cal winning % the 10 years prior to Tedford: 0.36283
Cal winning % after Tedford: 0.68254
Improvement: 0.31971
I'M STARTING THE TEDFORD MAFIA!!!
Cthulhu fhtagn.
Speak English, motherfuckers!
Anyone got a dollar?
@ Michiganagainsttheworld piece
He lacks the connections to the program Tressel had, true. But the reason OSU wanted those was because they'd just had 13 years of a guy who had no connections to Ohio or the program.
What he has done at Delaware and Rowan is astounding.
still, if the whole ACC is IU, then so is the B10. yet i don't see (the actual)IU getting to the RB/OB. plus, is the P10 that much better than the ACC?
look, Miles was no slam dunk (tho, pretty close, honestly). and Grobe is no flunky/dolt. the one thing i'd ask about Grobe is, why is he only at WF at the age of 55ish? if he is truely so well regarded among the 'football elite,' where was he 10 years ago that no bigger programs hired or at least considered him?
But no no, no need to be "hasty" in finding a candidate. After all, zero experience Ron English, failure Brady Hoke, and godawful failure [NAME REDACTED] are still available!
Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck.
- cfaller96
And you know what, these 3 stooges are still going to be available in February after all of the head coaching positions and coordinator positions at all of the other schools have been filled - BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS THEM!
00goblue00,
In your expert opinion (since I don't have boobs), are Tebow's girlfriend(s) fake?
Fake looking lungs, IMO.
maybe this is just commonplace, but the worst thing about the whole search is not knowing what, if anything, is even being done or considered. of course, the media throws out names of "candidates" but are they actually being looked at?
at this point, Tedford really seems like a guy that would be a good fit... but do we even know for sure he's even on the radar screen???
i'm not thrilled about the idea of seeking a Wake Forrest coach who is clearly old.
seems to me that the search committee oughta just take a stab at 1 or 2 more bigger name guys like Tedford or Sarkisian, if that doesn't happen, just name English the interim coach and move on for now.
"What he has done at Delaware and Rowan is astounding.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:53 pm | # "
^^What I did in the bathroom last night after eating a cheesy gordita crunch was also astounding...do I get to be the next UofM coach?
And you know what, these 3 stooges are still going to be available in February after all of the head coaching positions and coordinator positions at all of the other schools have been filled - BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS THEM!
Blue Durham | 12.12.07 - 3:54 pm | #
^^^I am calling the Big Ten Network right now, trumping their candidacies.
Why is UM not looking at Ron Vanderlinden, he coached at UM in the 80's was a head coach at UMD, and is current PSU linebacker coach and best recruiter.
Just a thought, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ron...on_Vanderlinden
Probably not best choice but better than current options.
if michigan doesnt have a coach by Jan 7th, isnt it obvious that miles has already said yes and is in fact taking over? he's just waiting for the $800,000 to come in for blowing out OSU....
if i was planning on leaving, id take a shot at the chance for $800,000 too and then leave.
Are the rumblings I've heard true?
Is MSC seriously pushing for us to appoint the first female CF HC?
I'll believe anything at this point.
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@Ben
Is the pope catholic?
Clearly she was one of the many girls following the craze of having breast enhancement as a grad gift.
OK, wasn't gonna do this, but... I'll take the damn coach job. I am in Bill Martin's pay range. I just need a warm place to dump and a regular supply of fortified wine. Or malt liquor. Or cough syrup. Anyway, something to keep the chill out and the pink elephants in. Hire me, Martin, ya bastard.
I think you can be a dick, win a lot and still be revered. Those guys you mentioned have done so, as well as Spurrier, Meyer, and so on.
Johnny Sideburns -
And who do you think was leaking rumors about his health and retirement. Hell, ABC was asking amongst themselves in the booth during a game a few years ago, does Carr look okay? Like that was damn out of the blue question?
Martin may be entirely incompetent in this process...but when it comes to rumors and leaks, Carr, is not responsible.
"if michigan doesnt have a coach by Jan 7th, isnt it obvious that miles has already said yes and is in fact taking over? he's just waiting for the $800,000 to come in for blowing out OSU....
if i was planning on leaving, id take a shot at the chance for $800,000 too and then leave.
billmartinismyidol | 12.12.07 - 3:55 pm | # "
And with that, the MtMM has another member. Welcome home.
Chill,
Only if you have a bachelors degree and are willing to work weekends.
I'M STARTING THE TEDFORD MAFIA!!!
TX Wolverine | 12.12.07 - 3:52 pm | #
Add me to the Tedford list. The man has achieved a lot in a short period of time at Cal.
and so the Chunks the Hobo as HC mafia begins...
Alright, now the TedM has 2 members. Who's with us? You're either with us or against us, so choose wisely.
00goblue00,
You never answered the question of your opinion on Tebow's girlfriend's breasts lol
I'm against. "Tedford" ... what a gay name. I bet the sumbitch eats oatmeal and bathes in lavender oil.
"Add me to the Tedford list. The man has achieved a lot in a short period of time at Cal.
Ben from SF | 12.12.07 - 3:56 pm | # "
He achieved a 6-6 record with an early-season Heisman candidate on the roster and a No. 2 overall ranking at one point. He lost to Harbaugh too. Know where I'm going with this.....
@ Ryan
ya I did. I said..."Is the pope catholic?" Which clearly means yes. If you can't tell those are fake then. No body has real boobs that are that round and perky and big even at 20 something.
To clarify: I'm in favor of breasts.
At least he bathes, Chunks, at least he bathes.
http://www.bclions.com/index.php...play&
staff_id=1
Buono Mafia. We need a leader. One of the top CFL coaches of all time.
"00goblue00,
You never answered the question of your opinion on Tebow's girlfriend's breasts lol
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 3:58 pm | # "
Yes she did. The pope is catholic, remember?
\yeah, Tebow's girl has some big...um....lungs://
That is why he needs to/is able to bench press 450 pounds.
OK, I bet he DOUCHES with lavender oil.
Damn West Coast hippies.
@Chillmodius
I'm willing to overlook a fluke year given his accomplishments. Plus he's got hippies all around, that's got to be distracting.
00goblue00,
I did not see that, I apologize.
No body has real boobs that are that round and perky and big even at 20 something.
Charlie Weis might disagree. so i've heard...
@ Aaron L.
You can be a dick and be revered. I'm sure of it.
But you can also be a dick and have everyone hate you. I think Urban Meyer seems like an asshole, but I can also see where he could inspire confidence in his players.
Petrino and Kelly seem proficient in X's and O's but not interpersonal relations.
Ken
Or maybe we have interviewed a number of candidates, and want to interview more before dangling offers out there.
Or maybe our #1 candidate has been too busy for an interview, and we don't want to offer jobs until we talk to him first.
Or maybe we're negotiating with several coaches and their agents about salaries and conditions, and we won't make a decision until we get some ballpark indications about how much they'll cost.
Ken. Jesus effing God. What. the. Fuck...?
Do you have any plausible candidates that might fit into any of those scenarios you just laid out? I'd love to hear about them, but be realistic- Stoops, Meyers, and Tressel ain't coming, Ken. Just who the fuck could possibly fit into these hypotheticals? Here, I'll summarize your scenarios:
1. We've interviewed plenty of people, and they're all interested, but we want to try out MORE flavors?!?
2. We have a #1 guy, and he's interested...so interested that we can't get him on the f--king phone to do an interview? Or to even hear our offer?!?
3. We've got many interested candidates, but we're spending days and weeks trying to figure out who the lowest-cost bidder is?!?
And in all of these scenarios, somehow we've managed to keep all of these interviewees quiet, and kept the media in the dark...?!?
...
Ken. My God. Without any real people attached to these scenarios, you may as well just suggest a Stoops or a Meyer. These aren't Pollyana scenarios, these are delusional.
Ken, come back. The real world is sometimes scary and painful, but you're at least living in, you know, the real world. In that way it has an advantage over a fantasyland.
And if you don't want to do that Ken, well, then I'm sure they'll find those WMDs in Iraq aaaaaaaannny day now...
Charlie Weis douches with bacon greases.
Larry Coker anyone? National Champion, some would argue he beat ohio state, and he would continue to perpetuate the culture. Not ideal, but he is vince lombardi compared to hoke/debord.
Miles will be the head coach at Michigan.
All of us down here in SEC country already know it. LSU and U of M are working together so that the Tigers save face, Miles can get tarred and feathered and never coach in the SEC again, and everyone is happy.
I mean think about it - LSU will have lost Fisher, Pellini, and Miles in less than a year - that is huge down here - we don't really have anything else to focus on other than recruiting.
Besides, most LSU folks are livid (yeah, I know that's a big adjective for all of us down here) about the losses to UK and Argh-Kansas.
So hey, be good and swing easy.
"Are the rumblings I've heard true?
Is MSC seriously pushing for us to appoint the first female CF HC?
I'll believe anything at this point."
JDNorway | 12.12.07 - 3:55 pm
Yes, sadly it is true, offense coordinator Michelle DeBord is still a candidate for the Michigan head coaching position.
ok all, I need to take my lunch break because I've been sitting at my desk since 9:30 and have been away from the comments thread for a grand total of 14 minutes. I'm worse than Ron Livingston in Office Space...at least he did 30 minutes of actual work. I'm at zero.
See you all in an hourish...
00goblue00: hold the fort.
:-)
[that smiley face is just for you]
Larry Coker is Vince Lombardi with a much better fist pump and better ears. He would be a class coach for a class program and would clearly get our program back to where it needs to be- In Championships, not in Rose Bowls!
Hoe many members are in each mafia? We should have identify our mafia in our sig.
It's time to start looking at Butch Davis or Jason Garrett, Dallas OC.
Michigan 1st to have an opening, last to fill. UCLA will have a coach before we do.
DK,
becasue grobe has decided to stay at wake, he has had numerous job offereings, he was a name in the notre dame search, he was offered the alabama and ark job in the past several seasons.... he doesnt move unless its for the better...
TedM has got 2 members thus far...looking for more!!
Another Larry Coker Fan! I like it. He really should get consideration. We can get him on the cheap and use some money for good coordinators who can take the job over after Larry retires. Go Larry!
ok all, I need to take my lunch break because I've been sitting at my desk since 9:30 and have been away from the comments thread for a grand total of 14 minutes. I'm worse than Ron Livingston in Office Space...at least he did 30 minutes of actual work. I'm at zero.
See you all in an hourish...
00goblue00: hold the fort.
:-)
[that smiley face is just for you]
There's a line around the block in the Blow Chunks Mafia. Wait your turn, a-holes.
Keeler mafia has 3 members
ok, gsimmons, but are bama and ND that much worse than WF? i mean, we all like bashing ND, but they take academics & image as seriously as M does. you're saying he likes WF that much more than anywhere else?
So, y'all want to get some BBQ for lunch or what?
I think Larry Coker is clearly the way to go. He has midwest connections and a championship ring. He helped clean up Miami's program and recruited with tough academic restrictions (numerous kids were not admitted to Miami but were admitted to other programs- Ali Highsmith for one). Any other Larry lovers out there?
@Chill
Will do. :)
Bobby Petrino abandoned his team midway through the season. He is a quitter and a slimeball and Michigan was wise to stay away from him. Grobe though? No thanks, I'll take English before Grobe - assuming LC takes a backseat, lets English run the team and FIRES GITTLESON (unless Git has really retired).
Bama Mesko, you buyin'?
i'm the sole consistent member of the Urban Mafia. others kind of sign up, eat the appetizers and then leave.
im saying, he likes wf..... thats all im saying, you asked why he is still there....
does he like michigan more? idk... hopefully he will get an offer and we will know...
What kind of bbq, Bama Mesko?
@Magnus
I understand Paul Johnson is only an example. But maybe Michigan didn't want him.
Magnus, tell me that you believe Michigan "looked" at him before GT got him. Then tell me that there isn't a "race" aspect to this.
I feel very safe in betting that Paul Johnson wasn't even considered before GT got him. Disagree if you must, but say it loud and clear, verbatim:
"Michigan considered and rejected Paul Johnson from further consideration before Georgia Tech offered and Johnson accepted."
Go ahead and put your name next to that statement, and we'll just agree to disagree.
But if you don't truly believe that, then how can you really believe there isn't any "need for speed" here? Maybe Paul Johnson wasn't the right fit, but we'll never know, will we? Because we were too slow!
@ formerlyanonymous,
Will Buono know not to punt on 3rd down?
Hey man, Wake Forrest is a private school so they have more um lattitude. Besides, have y'all ever been to Winston-Salem? And hey - they are expanding their stadium and facilities. So, all in all, it's all good as far as I'm concerned.
they leave when they realize that nothing there BUT the appetizers.
I ate the appetizers and pissed in the punch bowl. Ha ha!
slack, do you have a reason for saying no to grobe?
Chunks rocks.
@cfaller96
No need to be insulting. Can't someone disagree with you without being accused of being delusional? I guess it's too much to expect a civilized conversation in a blog comment thread.
I'm just trying to point out that the vast majority of us here don't know shit about what a head coaching search actually entails. I find it entirely plausible that the MSC and the AD are being torn by different wealthy donor factions that are complicating the process. I find it entirely plausible that Martin might call someone and say "hey, we want to interview you", and for the guy to come back with "I'm busy with stuff until December 13th, can I talk to you then?" I find it entirely plausible that Tedford or Rich-Rod or Leavitt or Mendenhall are still in the mix. I find it entirely possible that a private phone conversation between Martin and some school's head coach just MIGHT not reach the ears of a bunch of bloggers and forum-posters. I find it entirely plausible that maybe, just maybe, that things are not as black and white as everyone seems to think they are.
bama, i live here, so yes i have seen wf a time or two, plus i take grad classes there every other summer....
What happened to all the "insiders?" Legit or not, I like to at least pretend I'm getting inside info. Better than knowing that I'm ignorant.
Allright cap'n - Paradise Barbeque Birmingham AL. We can stare at the autographed picture of Bear Bryant and over ribs, sweet tea, and corn bread.
No thoughts on good ole Larry?
I know I'm late to the discussion (again) but in my mind Petrino is not an option but in a different way than Dehokentz in not a option.
Petrino is too slimy and there are still too many coaches out there who can deliver us to some bowl wins and beating OSU half the time including English. However landing one is still the fly in the ointment.
\So, y'all want to get some BBQ for lunch or what?//
Dreamland, baby!!!
Ryan-
i'd like to officially join the Keeler mafia...
I am all over the Larry bandwagon. Kelly, leavitt, those are good coaches, I would be happy. However Coker should be up there. Count me in GoBlue1
they leave when they realize that nothing there BUT the appetizers.
well, then what do the unicorns and oompa-loompas stay for? b/c i seem them ALL the time.
Come on, if Keeler beats Appy State,then he has to come here. How great would that press conference be? The old coach couldn't beat Appalachian State, so we went out and found one that can and did.
And he lost 2 games, didn't blow anyone out in 2 months, and had to sneak into the NC game.
He's a shitty coach because he snuck into the national championship game? I wish we had a shitty coach who could do that. And win 36 games over a three-year period.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. We have anoter one for LARRRRY! Thank you Wolverine77. Maybe we can place a call and see if we cant just get it done.
See gsimmons gets it. WF is cool-breeze man. Good school, nice area, good relationship with the community. You win some games, you lose some games and the next thing you know it's hoops season and everyone's focus is elsewhere.
Chunks is picking up what i'm putting down.
I'm in for 100 bucks for Coker. I'm a student, cant go any higher.
@Gnarls
Thank you! Already tried though. It doesn't matter.
I heartily endorse Bill Martin to contact our strong internal candidate JayPa and make an offer on the spot.
Coker? Didn't he derail Miami after Butch Davis had rebuilt it into a power?
not really sure what bama is saying...
but if he wants grobe to come to michigan than i like what he's saying....
Johnny Sideburns - it's grub time cap!
@Ken
See you in a couple weeks, when we're left to discuss the merits and prospects of the English/Hoke/[NAME REDACTED] era, and Grobe/Tedford/whoever were hired by UCLA/whoever, or they just rejected Michigan.
Then you can explain to me that there really was nothing wrong with the coaching search, and it went just fine. And we really didn't want Grobe/Tedford/whoever, and that's why we didn't get them, and English/Hoke/[NAME REDACTED] is waaaay cooler than an outside hire. Keep smoking it, buddy...
Ugh, I'm sick just thinking about how many people are going to contort themselves into thinking/explaining that English/Hoke/[NAME REDACTED] really was the best hire after all.
Nothing's ever wrong with Michigan...because we're Michigan!
Sign me up for the Keeler mafia.
I'm reluctantly turning in my Miles card.
I've definitely got some money sitting away in my rainy day fund for Larry, and for him, I would be willing to give it all. Not so often are you able to get the perfect coach at the perfect time. I think Larry and UofM are a match made in heaven!
@Golden
Since I am holding down the fort until Chill returns for the MtMM...I will speak on his behalf. "You are going to be sorry that you turned in your card come next month"
The only thing that's wrong is that Michigan fans have an inflated sense of their place in college football. Why is Schiano insane to turn down the job? Sure, there's the Penn State thing (and your little dig at them there exemplifies everything that people despise about Michigan fans).
But, maybe, gasp, Schiano likes being at Rutgers. Maybe he wants to build it into something bigger.
All are welcome in the Keeler mafia.
So many rumors. Need to either have a lot of faith, or a lot of liquor.
All I got for y'all is an open-invite for lunch and a theory that if I had to choose between Head Ball Coach at Wake or Head Ball Coach at Michigan - I'd choose Wake. And that's tough especially since - wait for it:
I am a Michigan Man! I'm 40! Write about Me!
Gary Crowton is currently the OC at LSU. I think he deserves a look.
Gnarls- No Coker didn't derail Miami. He won two championships in a row and had the highest career win percentage for a coach at some time. He had some bad luck as far as recruiting QB's (they were scared to play behind #1 recruit Kyle Wright, if they only knew) that led to his downfall. He also had a lot of coaching changes, mainly because they were so successful they went on to other jobs (Chudzinski and Johnson coaching in the NFL, Stoops at Arizona, etc.).
Keeler update:
http://www.delawareonline.com/ap...ORTS20/
71212036
And... may I join his mafia???
Additionally on Coker, if he keeps Loefler we could still recruit QB's, overcoming his one fault.
I like what he says at the end about immortality!
Watched "The Devil Wears Prada" last night to get my mind off this insanity. And then the whole manuevering by Meryl Streep's character Miranda to keep her job brought me right back. How about we get rid of SBM and have "Miranda" do our search.....
Grobe is 19-7 the past two years (his seven year record at the school is 37-35).
2-0 against Florida State during that time, including the 30-0 in 2006 sounding the death knell of FSU ACC dominance.
1-1 against Boston College.
2-0 over Duke but barely both times (41-36 and 14-13).
0-2 against Clemson including a 10-44 beatdown this year.
8-2 in games decided by a touchdown or less.
3-3 this year against Bowl-bound teams.
Did not play Virginia Tech this year (lost 27-6 last year during Wake's ACC Championship run).
Has placed 8 players in the NFL since he started as head coach.
Made Wake Forest a player, although a marginal one, in a semi-weak ACC conference.
Evolution Takes Time.
Mich AD went into this process with a very bad conceptual map on how this coaching search plays out (LC announcding retirement early is "good" for recruiting, play by the Marquis de Queensbury rules, publicy contacting/interviewing name coaches before their season is done, etc.)
Learning is painful but it is occurring. Now what's going on is hidden and nothing of substance will be done with anyone (pro or college) until their season (including playoffs/bowl games) is finished.
By early-to-mid January we'll have a good-to-very-good coach on board. Since LC was universally regarded as a great recruiter but a lousy Xs and Os/player development coach, but still averaged 9-3 over his tenure, aren't we saying that the next guy, even if he's a merely a "good" coach, will average 10-2?
// Asked if Michigan had asked for permission to speak to Keeler, Delaware athletic director Edgar Johnson said “I don’t have any comment." //
No comment? Two days before your NC game? You can almost see the flames through that smoke!!
Wolverine- Good point on Loeffler- As far as other positions, Coker coached Barry Sanders, Portis, McGahee, etc. Guy can clearly recruit rb's. And he is an offensive mind, something we are sorely in need of. Two thumbs up for COKER!
@ makin it here
I'm down for that. Miranda was a sneaky and got what she want
Keeler mafia is gaining strength! I'm excited about the prospect of Keeler.
Not to sound like an insider, but I do know the Petrino family to a certain extent. I am from Montana andn was coached by a few of his cousins, nephews, etc. throughout my life and they are all genuinely nice people. He however is an arrogant ass with an ego that clouds his judgment and perspective. He went for two or a TD against Kentucky with :02 left in his first or second year at Louisville, just to rub it in. Everyone I know who knows him personally, loves his family, is proud of his success but thinks he's a dick. Michigan is better off without him. I think he's Saban but not as good a coach.
Coker won one national championship, not two -- with all of Butch Davis' players mind you. He's 59. Moreover, I'm not sure what "tough academic restrictions" you're talking about at Miami. Gimme a break.
No, I can't read through all these posts....but what concerns me is the whole "Bo philosophy" with regard to Michigan's approach to football, and what concerns me more is the apparent efforts being made to perpetuate it.
Back when Bo was coaching, UM had access to a greater number of scholarships, and like the major programs of the 60's-80's, could sequester enough talent to dominate. Back then, our rock COULD beat anybody's rock (except OSU about 50% of the time, and the Pac-10 about 100% of the time, what with all that West Coast paper).
Moeller (to a lesser extent) and Carr (to a much greater extent) continued the Rock of Bo approach to football, but now with scholarship parity, spread offense parity, etc., it just doesn't cut it anymore. Michigan has supposedly had excellent recruiting classes the past decade, but other than '97 (when the planets, moons and stars lined up with the monolith) the on the field results disappointed.
The scary thing is if the AD and the administration thinks we should continue "more of the same," we will see a continued erosion from 9-3/8-4 to 6-6/5-7 as the best recruits go elsewhere and other teams continue to progress. UM was great during certain eras (1900's, 1940's, 1970-2000's) but also had eras of mediocrity (1950-1960's) where "Michigan Men" tended the program and it fell into disarray. Unfortunately, this could be a watershed point in UM's history if a poor coaching hire is made, and we will wait maybe decades before things turnaround, if at all- we could end up being Minnesota....
The last thing we need is more Lloyd, or a coach in that mold. At this point I don't care who the specific coach is (and please, no more Miles rumors- I can't take it anymore!), but we need a fresh and innovative direction to the program.
I was out for a bit, but I have to pass this along. Read this resume. Talk about a Michigan Man!
http://www.media.wayne.edu/relea...ase.php?
id=2717
Speaking of Barry Sanders, why not Wayne Fontes? Has he been contacted?
RASPUTIN!
imo tebow's woman had real tits (not that i care, cause id love to suck on em regardless), but they kinda r comin out the sides of that top, a little sloppy for fakes. again, let me reiterate, id love to suck on em !!!!!!!!!
Grobe would be fantastic at Michigan. Watching his team the last couple of years has been a lot of fun. I love his offense. He attacks defenses from everywhere. I think it would be a great fit here with our current and incoming personnel. I'm sure McGuffie would flourish as a wing/slot early if he wasn't the featured back as many have theorized. I think his QBs have been slightly mobile, but certainly not of the Tebow/Dixon/Edwards variety. Mallet could flourish. I would be quite satisfied with Grobe.
I think I'm ready to kill myself.....
"I'm ready for Ron English"....
"If he keeps Scott Loefler"....
For God's sakes, this search has made us all crazy.
Lud- As Michigan fans, I am sure we can both agree that Coker really won 2 championships. As far as the academic restrictions, they have higher standards for admission than the NCAA minimum standards. It takes more than just an NCAA qualifying score to get into Miami, which is why numerous players such as Ali Highsmith, Kellen Heard, etc. have committed yet have chosen to go other places rather than retake the test and try the following year (a la Devin Hester).
Come on y'all.
Coker? Keeler? Hoke? Tedford?
This is Michigan - not EMU!
My point is this - there are powerful friends of the university who have waited a long time for this opportunity.
These friends are doing all sorts of behind the scene type things to get this taken care of.
This is s.o.p. down here - welcome to the party. The only thing is that one would think that Michigan is above this behavior.
No worries. I'm willing to wager that we will all smile and wonder why we got so worked up when this is done.
In the meanwhile - I am hungry.
Y'all be good and treat each other nice-like.
Probably been posted, but...
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...TS06&
theme=CARR
Rosenberg makes a pretty good case for a search firm. At this point, why wouldn't Michigan hire a firm? The search thus far has resulted in rejections that might have been avoided if some descreet channels had been used to vet out candidate interest.
At this point, using a firm would probably be too embarrassing...an admission that they can't handle it. Not likely.
why wont they call me ?????
brian kelly no doubt
Keeler, the Sweater Vest Killer!!!
Fuck the mafia, the astros just traded for tejada. im good for a couple days.
como-te-yeeaaaaaaa- haaaaaaaa
What's Keeler's record vs. whoever replaced the Vest at Youngstown?
slawolverine......did i hear you say it would be embarrassing to hire a search firm, god we wouldnt want to be embarrassed ?????
Is it just me or do the rest of you think that Keeler looks like he should be a Sports Agent or a used car salesman in this picture.
http://www.udel.edu/sportsinfo/f...taff/
index.html
GO BLUE!
@ Ryan,
Last time they played I think was http://www.udel.edu/sportsinfo/f...ry-
youngst.html
before tressel's time. Could be mistaken.
Lane,
I mean it would be embarrassing for BM and co. I know they have been embarrassed already, but to hire a firm would be to admit that they don't know what they are doing. To date, despite the embarrassment, they sure haven't admitted that. Quite the contrary. "The process is working" and such.
cfaller,
Man, you're painting people into corners that they're not in. Ken wasn't saying everything is fine, and that there are no problems at M. He was just saying - as I've been saying too - that we don't know what's happening behind closed doors.
Follow the money! Big donors, need to sell lux boxes long term. Plus cover debt for other renovations. I-AA or MAC or Wake Forest don't do that for the money guys.
Really seems that Mich is working its way up its list rather than down, kind of ease into this, no hurry, and make sure they don't by-pass some wunderkind.
But if you follow the money, and where Mich will be in a week's time, they is one guy who will sell those lux boxes, from the Midwest and according to Lloyd: "Does things the right way."
Plus there is some rumbling that he doesn't get along with his current AD.
Look for a big move on or just after 1/1/08.
theres just no news today, not even any hot rumors......im goint to look at tebows gf
"we don't know what's happening behind closed doors."
Perhaps they are playing scrabble or monopoly.
Thanks for the clarification on the second title. I just don't see other than '01 and '02 how he even justifies a look. Those two Miami teams had possibly more NFL talent on them than any team in recent memory. The backfield alone at one time -- on the roster -- was Portis, Mcgahee, Davenport, and Frank Gore. I mean are you kidding me. Oh yeah, and Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, Roscoe Parrish, Vince Wilfork, Antrel Rolle, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Johnathan Vilma, Bryant McKinnie,and Andre Johnson.
For real. I could've coached that team.
What happened to my mafia?
Mom? You still there?
Keeler never coached against Y-Town, crap.
Just to clarify, if a firm was hired to help with the search , one of the FIRST criteria would be absolute secrecy about its use, i.e we would never know a firm was used. Any top class firm would guarantee that.
yea, i can't find another UD YSU game (that was me with the link earlier)
I searched through the records, it looks like they played in 95 97 and 98, then once in 79 and 80something.
loopy...is that some kind of riddle or would you like to enlighten us
loopy, I'd LOVE Urban Meyer. Yeah the guy is a dick, but he isn't a cheater, and his grad rates at UFL are outstanding (80%). Problem is, I just don't see it happening. But you never know unless you call. Or hire a search firm to find out discretely.
I will say that Meyer has NEVER denied interest in the job. In fact, he's gone on Rome and praised it as an "elite" job. He as shown interest.
Funny, here's the perfect guy who has shown interest, but somehow we assume he would never leave Florida. Instead we seem to want less-perfect candidates who seem to want to stay where they are.
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THERE IS A REASON FOR AL THIS NONSENSE AND CONFUSION
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It is the fact that y'all simply refuse to have 100% faith in my knowledge
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Sarkisian will the next Michigan HC
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in 4 more days
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Yes
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Its a DONE deal
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btw loopy......WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOYD THINKS !!!!
"Those two Miami teams had possibly more NFL talent on them than any team in recent memory."
What you mean is that their success may have had a lot to do with the talent in that state? I don't disagree with that. LSU's success is directly related to high school talent. Alabama and Georgia's monster recruiting classes this year are largely made up of in-state talent. But all of these programs also have good and expensive coaching. Coker was a good coach.
finally...thanks for the update...
xyz@umich,
That would be the goal. Except that it was widely known that Nebraska was using a search firm and that it had contacted Pellino. It still comes out, but at least the contacts are generally more discrete.
oh...god....
74 79(twice) 80 81 95 98 nope
Sorry honey. I like Cedar Rapids much better than Scio Township.
@ "The Knowledge"
Care to go double or nothing on what's in my report?
Everybody Hop on the Coker Bandwagon! Let's do it.
And Urban Meyer will not be leaving Florida any time soon, unless someone offers him the presidency of the United States. Any move right now for him would be a step down.
loopy's referring to Urban
It takes a coach like Coker to keep all of those athletes in check and playing together. He is a guy who knows how to keep a team together, knows how to recruit, and will be a great representative for our university. Hiring a coach like Coker will allow Michigan to end the embarrassment that this process has become and hire good assistants to groom so next time we dont have this problem. LET'S GO LARRY!
R-Lew, what update?
Is there a new post? I don't see one.
can we PLEASE not mention meyer here! Just please stop it.
no new post..the sarkasian shit from "the knowledge"
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Dennis Connor, former America's Cup winning skipper, named new Michigan head coach by Sailboat Bill Martin.
@ ryan -- earlier comment was in ref to the latest blast by the Sarkisian mafia.
are people serious about coker?
that guy was an epic disaster
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I am THE KNOWLEDGE and I know it all
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Coker eventually lost control of his team and all, but he was good until then.
bsb,
I live near Miami and people were happy as hell to get rid of him here. After the NC, his team slowly went downhill to the place where it is today. If Coker is so great, how come he isn't being mentioned as HC anywhere else? I'd probably take Cam Cameron before Coker.
Sarkisian is nowhere near the level of Keeler.
if you knew it all you would have been here posting about the Miles conversations from friday, the schiano offer, the ferentz stuff etc. Not just "Sarkasian in T minus 4 days."
Umm...if we are mentioning Keeler, why not the App State coach? He just beat Michigan. Or take a look at whoever wins DII. Just saying.
S FLA: I was talking about The Knowledge update. We were way overdue for one.
So xyz is apparently telling us to not let the Meyer talk build so it gets to the MSM?
xyz, it'd be nice, but after all we've been through, I have to say there's just no reason to really believe you're on the inside.
Throw us a few bones to build confidence, then we'll see.
I'm coming to Michigan alright. To steal what little talent you have in that icebox.
guess who's back?
so pathetic.
People were bashing Larry Coker at the end of his time in Miami, but after watching them this year, it clearly was not coaching that was the problem. Coker has been mentioned for numerous other openings but is clearly just waiting for the right opportunity at his age. He would be the perfect guy to bring in for 5 years.
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STOP using my handle, you moron
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I don't have the time or patience to wade through all 500 comments, so here:
I don't know much of anything about Grobe beyond the fact that he's the HC at Wake (lineage, style of play, etc.) I know I could use Profile in Heroism on him. He seems like a the type of safe hire that they're looking for (one that could work, might get them off the hook)
I don't understand the criticism of some on the board about Les Miles. Even if he wasn't your first choice, to call him a shitty coach is without basis. He's won wherever he went, excellent recruiter, blah blah blah.
Finally, where does the stuff about Urban Meyer being a dick come from? Because he campaigned for his team to get into the championship game last year? So what? And regardless of what Lloyd said last year, he really didn't rip Michigan. He just said why his team should be there over us.
That said, he's not going to come here, so it's probably not worth pining for.
It is no riddle, follow the money. Big donors (and Martin is courting them) are the backbone of the stadium renovation. They need to give and/or commit to lux boxes. Otherwise none of that stuff they are doing will pay off.
Do you think some well heeled donor is going to cough-up big bucks for a I-AA or warmed over MAC guy. Or even the "next great one." Not likely. They got rich not doing dumb things. Martin needs to make a convincing hire. And, he has and will have plenty of loot to do it with.
Urban Meyer is not beyond reach. Mich could easily offer $3-3.8 million for the HC job, and $2.3-2.8 million for staff. And, it is persistent rumor that Meyer and his AD don't get along.
If he came, those boxes would sell. Ticket waiting lists would skyrocket (meaning ticket prices and seat licenses would/could rise), licensing would take off again. And the Regents and big $$ alums would feel more confident of their $230 million investment in the football program.
Chill,
Since you've been gone, the Keeler mafia has grown in size. Due mainly to the drugs trade. The MtMM are embroiled in a war over the KGM's murder of Chunks the Hobo.
BREAKING NEWS!
Coleman and Martin have sought outside assistance in the coaching search.
They bought a Magic 8 Ball at Meijer after lunch!
I enjoy how testy The Knowledge gets when people question him or "steal his handle." Hilarious.
Knowing what I already know that you think I don't know makes me in the know and you in the not know.
I like to eat froot loops in the bath with my toaster in one hand and my p*ick in the other hand while smiling and watching Brad Pitt on televsion talking about funny things.
I love sclicings of all kind including feces slicings slicings.
Also, I am completely full of shit, so there are plenty of slcings to be had.
calahan,
trust me grobe would be an excellent hire for michigan.... despite what people who dont know anything about coaching or football have to say about it.....
if you just look at wins and losses, then why dont we just have all the coaches turn in their career marks, and make are way down the list...
I've got $20.00 that I will put in the pool to hire Kelly or Coker. If we can just get a million more like me, we can close the deals for sure.
Sorry I left junior unattended to play on the internets. My bad. Sorry for the intrusion.
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You just wait and watch
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4 days for Sark in Ann Arbor
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Debord will be gone
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The one thing that was not clear was if RE will continue
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Latest confirmation is that RE will continue as DC
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Git is gone - thank the Lord
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This search is going to drive me to insanity, I can't take it.
"Chill,
Since you've been gone, the Keeler mafia has grown in size. Due mainly to the drugs trade. The MtMM are embroiled in a war over the KGM's murder of Chunks the Hobo.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 5:01 pm | # "
Thank you for the update. The MtMM will be issuing an official release within the hour to establish the "Chunks the Hobo Endowment." Our condolences to the entire Hobo family.
KGM, has no knoweldge of the said death....
4 days would be a Sunday. No way they announce this on a Sunday. There is the first flaw in your rumor.
So how's the coaching search going losers?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Damn, I just checked out Tebow's g-friend. Let's hire her. We could get the chimp to do any actual coaching during games and she can jump up and down and yell for the team to try harder. No wonder Tebow does what he does. She probably rewards good play and "punishes" bad play.
Loopy,
I'm certain we could afford Urban Meyer, but it's quite clear that Martin is determined to hire a coach for less than market rate for an established coach like Meyer (or even Miles. I mean, if Miles wasn't True Blue, would he have even talked to us at all once he knew the pay?) If Martin is insisting upon paying what the rumored amounts are, we really can't expect to land anyone of the quality of a Meyer.
Thank God, I thought I was the only one going crazy because we were talking about L. Coker
I like to blow Chunks the Hobo.
@00goblue00
Why? Because someone needs to go to the Church?
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@ gsimm:
You have sold me on Grobe, i'm in your corner sir.
"4 days would be a Sunday. No way they announce this on a Sunday. There is the first flaw in your rumor.
00goblue00 | 12.12.07 - 5:07 pm | # "
In defense of THE KNOWLEDGE (though unimportant because the MtMM will ultimately triumph), R-Kansas didn't have a problem holding a Pig-Suey Presser at 11:30 PM local time on a Tuesday. Just saying.
"yeah, Tebow's girl has some big...um....lungs:"
if you mean that she has huge plastic bags full of some sort of goopy stuff surgically inserted inside her original mammary tissue, you're correct.
Hopefully, the lack of "available" candidates will convince BM that he needs to open the checkbook as big as it will go.
That's not Tebow's girl, but she does go to UF, she is dating some other loser
I'm Urban Meyer, do I want to walk away from TIM Freaking TEBOW?
Warm weather?
Fast Athletes?
Low academic standards?
Built in excuse for losing games.
Bikini clad coeds cavorting?
Grobe?
Ok. WTF. He's better than Debord.
Peterson?
Ok. WTF. Be fun to watch the offense.
Pinkle?
He can't beat Oklahomo. We can't beat OSU.
Chuck Martin?
Ok. WTF? He wins Big games.
Delaware Guy?
Try selling tht one to the boosters.
Brian Kelly?
Ok. Seems tainted for some reason. Fock, people get beat to death. Get over it already. Not.
Tedford?
See Pinkle.
Stoops/Spurrier?Carrol?
Ok. You'll need assault rifles to get them to come here.
Lloyd could have announced his retirement on that Sunday. Instead he waited one more day til Monday. I doubt they would announce anything on a Sunday. Especially since Sarkasian isn't coming so whatever.
sweet meeech....
i hope it comes true....
MIles?
Ok. WTF?
Debord/Englash?
None of us are realistically entertaining these two. Bizarroworld factor of 8.5
Toledo Guy?
Ok. WTF?
Ferentz?
Ok. WTF? Doesn't want to come.
Sarkasian?
Ok. WTF?
Sean Payton?
No chance.
Does that about sum it up?
Alright so we've got 3 for Coker now! Anyone else need convincing? Fire away any doubts you may have on Larry Legend.
Look at the M&M's I just found on EDSBS:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2...d8741fc.jpg?
v=0
Jerry Moore (Appy St): age 68
KC Keeler (UD): age 47
'nuff said
If my dick wasn't so small, I'd blow myself.
Wow. WDFN is reporting Michigan's interest and contact with Delaware's coach. No bullshit.
Um, OK, THE KNOWLEDGE,
So this has been planned out all along, right? The whole search is a cover for the fact that BM wants to hire Sarkasian, or whatever his name is.
Well, if this is soooo well planned out, why would you have a press conference on a Sunday when everyone is busy talking about and watching NFL games? They can make it ANY day of the week they want. Why Sunday?
Also, what if any of the previous candidates had accepted the offers on the table? Seems like a dangerous game of chicken to me.
We will continue to see smokescreens until the last moment before our new HC is announced.
Keeler would be A LOT easier to sell than Hoke/Debord/Grobe and at this point probably even Miles.
Chillmodious (MtMM Commissar) ,
Holy shit. He's fatter than the Orange!
Can we stop the "won with (Insert previous coach here)'s players?
We claim Michigan has all of this talent that Carr could never make proper use of, and then use the above argument to make a negative point about a prospective coach. To be successful you need to a) recruit and b) coach! and in the case of Michigan c) be a really swell guy who holds great press conferences.
I love how the oranges eyes look like "hurry up and get me away from him before he eats me"
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Of course, there are people in the world
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And of course, there is a Sunday every week
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So what?
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Sark is not a bible-thumper ala Cheatervest
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So Sunday ain't no problem
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PS: Eff you, SoJ
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Here's a great reason to kill the Coker talk...T-shirts like these wouldn't exist for nothing:
http://sportscrack.com/
tees_canc...s_cancoker.html
"Latest confirmation is that RE will continue as DC"
Confirmation from who? Your Magic 8-Ball?
jesus frickin' christ.
The Chimp Mafia is meeting at the Gandi Dancer tonight. Black pin stripe suits a must. Must be packin a banana. 6ish. Bring a babe.
Hire the Chimp
Keeler is happening people.
I hear THE KNOWLEDGE is going to blow me if Keeler is hired. Sweet.
We must bring all the families together for a summit.
Now!
"Keeler is happening people.
Ryan (Keeler Mafia Godfather) | 12.12.07 - 5:15 pm | # "
Nope. To quote Jack Nicholson: "Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here."
Big concern over Keeler would be the autonomy he would possess in hiring coaches. When you hire someone like Keeler, for better or worse, he just is unlikely to have the pull, power, autonomy to hire who he wants and dump who he wants. Sticking wih some of the status quo assistants is not going to suffice regardless who the coach is, and I worry that is what will happen with Keeler, particularly because of his need to continue recruiting an area and talent level he is unaccustomed to recruiting.
"We must bring all the families together for a summit.
Now!
elnolewis | 12.12.07 - 5:17 pm | # "
MtMM checking in.
Why isn't anyone talking about UConn's Randy Edsall? Young, Midwest ties, turned UConn from I-AA to a legit I-A program. Waaaayyy better than Grobe - in fact, Edsall might be the best young guy out there whose name doesn't rhyme with Bourbon Buyer.
Profile:
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/
spor...bccoachbio.html
Think about it. Keeler is clean, recruits well, is very respected, seems to be loyal and is young. Not to mention successful enough at UD that you can't just write him off.
No dirty laundry on him (of course, if it gets serious, people try to find it).
He fits the Martin criteria almost perfectly. Maybe even a younger Lloyd clone?
This is an interesting development.
Nobody knows shit. BILG didnt know shit. There are no inisiders, just a bunch of rumoring douche bags that try to get hopes up.
Hiring Keeler would be a sign (to me, anyway) that Michigan just wanted to hire a cheap coach -- basically trying to catch lightning in a bottle.
The reason Tressel worked in Ohio was because he knew the Ohio recruiting scene already. Unless there's some ties that I'm unaware of, I think Keeler would be a HUGE risk.
I will be in charge of security.
YOu will be safe.
Repeat. Bring babes.
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What exactly did WDFN confirm? They are probably just reporting the same rumor on the Internet. I think most of the media is in the same boat we are, just looking for rumors to spread because there is nothing new to report.
I'd like to see an official request to talk to the guy, then I will believe it.
I think we should hire Lloyd back. He's god.
NBlue,
I agree with you 99% of the time -- except when said team has the talent of that '01/'02 Miami team. Look at the roster, it's unreal.
Did we step thru the dang looking glass yet?
Keeler runs the spread, he will dump Debord. That's good enough for me.
I think Grobe would be a good hire. Winning at Wake is only marginally easier than winning at Duke, and he seems to be doing it the right way.
English sounds like Zook after Spurrier left: current DC, popular with his players, high-energy guy, zealous recruiter. Zook looks good now, but had a rough time in his first HC job.
who is more delusional?
-the keeler crowd
-the coker crowd
-the meyer crowd
Lud:
I agree, ridiculous roster, but that doesn't mean the team was on auto-pilot. You can find plenty of similar rosters that didn't win.
Plenty of people were calling for Carr's head too, doesn't mean he's a bad coach. Sometimes coaches just overstay their welcome, period. Miami never has coaches stay more than 5 years. Everyone talking about recruiting, winning, and press conferences. THAT IS COKER TO A TEE. Down to earth, homey comedic guy, had top recruiting classes all his years in Miami, and is a proven winner!
S FL Wolverine,
You're probably right about where their rumor came from. I'm just passing along what they were saying.
bsb,
Do we have to choose, or can we say "All of the above."
@ bsb,
I would vote Carr crowd most delusional.
bsb,
Why is the Keeler crowd delusional? This seems serious.
I still think MIles is a done deal. He just needs to have plausible deniability until LSU plays for the MNC.
@ cfaller96
I won't put my name next to that statement. You know why?
Because I don't know.
And, oh yeah, neither do you.
http://www.sackcarr.com/index.php
Well....is saying...
Eh, I wouldn't say plenty similar -- that team was a once in a generation from a talent standpoint. And also, the decay in the program after those recruits started leaving bring into question Coker's own recruiting and ability to sustain the success that Butch Davis had started. I mean three years removed from one of the most dominant teams ever, Miami lost six games.
"and is a proven winner!"
^^with Butch Davis' recruits/staff. After that meal ticket ran out, he became a proven loser.
Please move on from Coker. Nothing to see here people.
"I still think MIles is a done deal. He just needs to have plausible deniability until LSU plays for the MNC.
gulo gulo | 12.12.07 - 5:23 pm | # "
@ gulo gulo:
bingo bingo.
I don't think that Martin is determined to underpay at all. He is trolling for a bargain. But since there is no hurry, why not.
He needs to sell those boxes. The big money is holding out, to see who he hires. They now have real influence in this deal.
And maybe U. Meyer might not come to Michigan, but Tim Tebow, and Percy Harvin could get injured, jump to the NFL, early. He knows there are no guarantees with his players. And the SEC is volitile, plus it is good intel that he doesn't like his AD. Plus the opposition (Miles, Petrino, Richt, Spurrier is not getting easier down there). What if he doesn't win the NC with Tebow next year? What kind of environment would that be for him? But it is a real possibility with better coaches and players gathering in the SEC every year.
And if all we can get is some retread or I-AA guy, then watch for the planned football facilites upgrades to get halted real quick.
Larry Coker = Lloyd Carr
The 'no comment' quote from the UD athletic director is very interesting. The story is published in the online version of the Wilmington News Journal, a real newspaper.
It's a step beyond just being made up Internet stuff.
This is the biggest thing right now - none of the other names (Miles) have anything to back them up right now.
wow. a real life issue that I have to leave my desk to attend to? this is supposed to be work! I'm supposed to be sitting at my desk all day long, lurking in the mgoblog comment threads....doesn't anyone know that?!?!
brb.
You know, it's amazing nowadays what passes for good journalism. A lot of it is just total BS. Take the recent Miles story for example.
1. Brian reports that there is an offer on the tale for LM and that Mich and LM are talking.
2. Miraculously, shortly thereafter, the Detroit News reports that U-M is talking to Miles.
3. The next day, ESPN reports that the Detroit News reports (that in essence MGoBlog reports) that U-M is talking to Miles.
Now, the talking part ended up being true, but the chain of events there does not give me much confidence in the MSM in these searches.
I still don't understand why we are not pursuing Butch Davis with everything we have. He cleaned up a Miami program that was in disarray and made them into an annual contender. To my knowledge, he's never been in trouble with the NCAA. He's young enough that he could stay awhile and old enough that he's not a big flight risk. He has been there, done that in the NFL. What is not to like? This is baffling to me.
Keeler will excite the boosters, they'll get Tressel fever for better or worse.
The post at 5:18 p.m. was not mine.
Surprise, surprise.
Of course it's easier to steal someone's handle than actually, you know, debate them or just accept that the other person might have a different opinion.
I actually think that Urban Meyer has shown the most interest of anyone. He said it's an elite job and that Michigan can hang with the rest of the SEC. Trying to get on someone's good graces, aren't we? He's probably just being polite, but he's from the area and has only had positive things to say about Michigan lately. Other than that he's an asshole.
A good coach gets players to improve and beat the odds, among other things. I think that anyone who has turned his team around and gotten it to play well against good competitors is a good coach. Grobe has done this. Peterson's Broncos are just better than everyone else in the WAC. He would not be all that great at Michigan. Look at what happened to Dirk Koetter. And we don't know if Dan Hawkins can turn around CU just yet.
I also like Craig Bohl at N. Dakota St. He's gotten his team to beat Minnesota, albeit a mediocre one, and they lost by one point last year (their only loss) to a Minnesota team that went to a bowl game. And his team is still transitioning from D-II to FCS.
How some of you fools are against Grobe is baffling. He's a great coach and he has coached in the MAC before.
i think i'm in agreement with a lot of people on here. i don't understand brian's issue with jim grobe. he has been successful at a school with an enrollment under 4000 students, mostly known for academics.
and the statements that he is old just really baffle my mind, considering he is only a year older than les miles, who no one objects to his 'damn fine age'. just pointing that one out.
we should be lucky to get someone like grobe.
I'm not yet in a mafia. Am I missing out on something? I could wield the shotgun. Who needs help? I'm open to offers.
Minnesota is worse then mediocre.
I'm shocked people are against Keeler.
@Musket-
you want to be in my mafia lol.
I figured it was time to come out of the shadows and join the MtMM. Things are not always what they seem. In that sense, I see that it is totally plausible that this isn't over just yet. Count me in.
00goblue00
What mafia is that? Thanks for the invite. I like mafias that just invite instead of force.
Brian-
If you read this, I think we need a profile in Heroism-Larry Coker. Not positive he is a candidate quite yet, but it is coming and he is viable, and I would appreciate a large picture with his satellite ears on it. Thanks
@Musket
The MtMM mafia. Well Chill is the Don and I am the Prima Donna of it. See if you can figure it out lol. Despite yesterdays events, it still has quite the following.
See..we just recruited a new member (Wolv in MA)
FWIW,
This is what the rivals mod has to say about keeler.
"[the rumor] started yesterday as a joke.... and seems to have made the rounds"
Inca Kola | 12.12.07 - 2:55 pm | #
still the most plausible explanation
Brian-
I second the call for a Larry Coker Profile in Heroism. When people look at his overall record, the ranks of his recruiting classes, and the way he ran such a clean program, they will clearly jump on the bandwagon (and there are plenty of us already on). I think this could definitely be an option for Michigan in order to pave the way for a young new hire in a few years.
everyone knows the whole Keeler thing is a joke created on the internet right?
did someone say coker ran a clean program?
as someone who knows tons of canes from his era
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAAAAAA
Larry Coker = Lloyd Carr
Perfect for a bunch of you.
Alright I'm off to recruit more members. Strength in numbers. See you guys later.
Urban Meyer is the guy! He rebuilt and won at BGSU, at Utah and took FLA to the NC.
He campaigned for his team to get a shot at the NC, why didn't Lloyd? Was it unseemly? Bo thought he was right and ripped the B10 in 1973 for bypassing his guys? Was that unseemly? Lloyd let us just hang there, maybe he didn't think his guys were worthy? That is disturbing. Judging by this year's round of coaches' campaign speeches it is defacto part of the process. Chalk one up for Urban Meyer being on the forefront. Lloyd was still stuck in the past.
It's always the other guy's a**hole that bcomes a favorite when they join your side?
00goblue00
I think I'll join your MtMM, but only if I get some cool title or something. Seeing as how you've already snatched up Prima Donna and all. I think I get where your head is, and I'm ready to be the muscle when the families meet together. 175 lbs. of ferocious muscle...
...I'll hit the weights.
BSB-
Pick something out to prove Larry didn't run a clean program. I also know a bunch of his former players, so we'll see what you can come up with.
welcome aboard musket
gmb,
That two newspapers, and other MSM outlets have actually decided to investigate? They aren't that stupid at the MSM.
the agenda surfaces
@Musket
You have made the right decision! I'll come up with something clever.
Welcome to the Family
and Wolverine in MA
Welcome to the family as well.
What is MSM?
No agenda here. Larry ran a clean program. Maybe not the top candidate possible, but I do think he ran a tight ship.
Wow, we need a newsletter or something.
I'll say this about the Keeler story...http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/
pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071212/SPORTS20/71212036
This part is really interesting:
Asked if Michigan had asked for permission to speak to Keeler, Delaware athletic director Edgar Johnson said “I don’t have any comment."
If there was no contact, why not say so? I know that it's not definitive proof, but it is interesting.
MSM = Main Stream Media
Brian, I love your work, but this post pretty much proves that you're talking out of your ass just as much as anyone else.
First and foremost, how do you call Jim Grobe old when he's not even a full year older than Les Miles? Major hypocrisy there.
Secondly, the fact that ANYone could or would push Bobby Petrino for the Michigan job cannot be considered any sort of true fan.
"Because you might have to endure the indignity of watching your coach entertain other job offers? Isn't this Michigan? Isn't this a place that should be good enough that other job offers don't matter?"
Apparently, there's no place in the world that's that good, especially for Bobby. He's quit, 100% quit, on every single team he's ever coached, and there's no evidence whatsoever that he won't do the same to Arkansas, and that he wouldn't do the same to Michigan. I'm simply stunned that you would be such a proponent of hiring a guy who's proven absolutely nothing other than he knows how to tuck tail and run out the back door when no one's looking.
Moreover, is there ANY job in the country that's so good that no coach will look at other offers? Certainly not LSU or USC... Carrol's entertained offers, and we all know by now about LSU's coaches looking elsewhere...
I don't think we should be afraid of the guy from Delaware. For my money, and though it pains me to say this, the two best coaches in major college football right now are Tressel and Carrol. One was a 1-AA coach and one was an NFL washout when they were hired. It's pretty rare, to my memory, that a successful coach goes from one major conference school to another, as would be the case with Miles.
“I can guarantee you I have made no inquiries about the University of Michigan job and I have not been contacted.”
“I said this and I’ll repeat it again,” Keeler said. “I didn’t come here [to Delaware] to leave here. I love this place. It is, obviously, an honor to ever be mentioned for a job of any magnitude, especially one like that."
Non denial-denails people.
We all sure seem to be grasping at staws now.
S FL Wolverine,
No way, those were made up online, too!
MallettFumble,
Not saying the guy is the perfect fit, but it appears as if something is up with him.