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What's the deal with Donovan Warren? Is this kid seriously going to transfer? That would be one of the worst moves of all time.
I haven't seen anything convincing anywhere, but I'm not an "insider" subscriber.
Chief Nacho:
That would be a bad move by Warren--but Terrance Taylor deciding to go pro, if it happens, would be a worse move. That would be very foolish.
Well, somebody must be a high-class subscriber... Withholding the opinions, is D-War going to leave?
I cant see Terrance Taylor getting drafted.....maybe on the second day as a project, but those guys are no guarantee to make the roster....if he comes backs, has an good, all-league caliber type of season, he could become a first day selection and grab a million dollar contract.....then again, I have not conferred with a Kiper-esque list, maybe the scouts are high on him for some reason.
As for Warren, he can play his soph/jr seasons here and go pro, but if he transfers, he'll be off the radar....he'd be eligible after the first year at the new school, but unless he puts out a phenomenal season, he'll be a second day selection at best....the quicker route to nfl dollars for him is to stay, so unless he is terribly homesick or hates to death that RR is coming here, I cant imagine him transferring and would put zero stock in any message board rumors that say so.
Jamie Mac:
I think your take on both situations is right on. Taylor needs to call Ernest Shazor and Shante Orr and ask them about leaving early.
Question for y'all kind of related to this discussion. Don't you think that players should be allowed to transfer without penalty during a coaching change?
I mean, I hope DWarren doesn't want to leave U-M, but considering he signed on to play for Ron English -- and English is gone-gone-gone -- it seems only fair to allow him transfer without sitting out a year.
David:
I agree.
David,
I would tend to agree to that as well....the rule, i believe, is in place so a coach wont leave and take all the players with him.....so some restriction would need to be maintained to prevent that.
Murl,
Yep....at least Shazor had a great season with a lot of highlight-type big plays so you could understand how the chirping in his ear about pro potential could entice him......iirc Orr had a pretty nice year rushing the passer his last one here.....Taylor has been steady, but what has he done to really raise the nfl scouts' eyebrow???
I do not agree, he or they signed to play for M, not an individual coach.
Jamie Mac:
You're right. Shazor was a finalist for that safety award; the name escapes me. Taylor is not even all Big 10 second team. Some Barwis S & C training and he could be a monster next year. Woodley really helped himself coming back for another year. Same with Crable.
I don't want to pollute the UM thread with Lions talk--but why is Kitna still playing in the final minutes of a meaningless game when we are getting beat 34-13? Only the Lions would engage in nonsense like this rather than evaluating Orlovsky and seeing what he has. It is madness.
Does anyone know if we are wearing our White unis or the blues? I'm going to (hopefully) be in FLA for the game and I'd like to bring the right colored jersey.
Here's something completely stupid, but perhaps meaningful -- DWar has tons of Michigan friends on Facebook and added more as recently as yesterday. Ryan Mallett, however, has recently removed his Facebook profile altogether.
Make of that what you will.
Does any one give any credit to the thought that since UM contained Juice Williams they should be able to do a similar job on Tebow?
Sorry for the double post I hit refresh and forgot to clear it.
"Only the Lions would engage in nonsense like this rather than evaluating Orlovsky and seeing what he has. It is madness."
No it is Lions football.
7-9 the high water mark of the Millen Era, this clown needs to be canned.
D. Warren needs to put some privacy controls on Facebook, for seriously.
For anybody watching the Steelers-Ravens game, James Harrison just crushed Troy Smith for no reason whatsoever. Kind of a cheap hit, but it made me crack a little smile. Of course, Smith wiped it off my face when he cut underneath Woodley on a pass rush and scrambled to convert a 3rd down. Now I have hives. I just felt like everybody needed to know that.
Those who know me here, know i am a big time Steeler fan.....so I go to take a run and miss the first few minutes of the game....they're down 7-0 when i get back and the Ravens QB is scrambling for first downs and making throws on the run....his name Troy Smith....somebody shoot me now!!!!!!
Lets see OSU "offensive" UFR.....OSU defensive UFR......Smith now schooling my favorite pro team!!!!
Not sure there's enough alcohol in the house to overcome all these, uh, memories.
I do not agree, he or they signed to play for M, not an individual coach.
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I disagree with the premise. So what if a player signs a letter-of-intent for a school rather than a coach?
The fact is that recruits choose an institution based on a number of factors. One significant factor is the coach.
I think it's important to remember that for high-profile athletes like D. Warren, Ryan Mallett, Jack Johnson, etc., selecting a university is a career decision rather than solely an educational decision. Thus, when a favorite coach leaves -- think Scott Loeffler for Mallett -- these kids' career prospects (i.e., future ability to generate income) might also be altered. How is that fair?
Matt K,
I have seen enough of Troy Smith to last a lifetime.....please make this go away!!!!!
Oh, look, a nice bottle of red wine....that ought to do it!!!
Jamie, yeah, this sucks big time. Reid fumbled the opening kick and Baltimore recovered and then walked it right in.
Davenport really sucks. He's running way too high. I honestly didn't think I'd miss Willie this much, but things look grim for the playoffs without him. Of course, coming into the season, I was just aiming for a playoff berth. Now, losing at home to Jacksonville (in what would likely be a physical style ass kicking) would be so bitterly disappointing. We definitely have not come to play today. It's like this defense got old over night.
Anthony Smith is seriously starting to challenge Amos Zeroue, Kent Graham, Touchdown Tommy, and Bubby Brister in my personal Steeler Hall of Shame. That was a piss poor effort on that TD run. He sucks. We all suck. Fire everybody. GET ME SOME WHISKEY!
Also, I may have suppressed this from my memory, but didn't we get gashed by Corey Ross in the Alamo Bowl? This is like a parade of my worst moments as a college football fan Pro Edition. Kill me.
Matt K....the Steeler 2006 draft may be one of the worst ever for them.
Holmes is rounding into form (although if they were going to trade up for a skill guys my preference was and still is Maroney)....but Smith has regressed this season and made us a laughingstock after NE.....Colon is still a project at OL and has been overmatched often in his first year as a starter.....and Reid never saw the field last year and has done nothing this year.
This year's draft is not looking much better, but I still have high hopes for Timmons, Woodley and Gay.
Wow.....Troy Smith just eluded the rush of Lamaar Woodley.....who would have guessed that.....I should quit threatening to drink and open up the bottle.
Re: D-War transfer issues. Word is he and his pops just want to talk to RR, but DW hasn't missed any practices and has said, basically, that he wants to see how the defense will be, etc. I think he stays, fwiw. And I think it'd be a bad move for him to leave. He'll have plenty of opportunity to make plays in the new defense.
Woodley sacks Troy Smith for his first ever NFL sack.....very nice!!
Oh, and everyone, welcome to your first ever Steeler in-game thread....had to leave for a few seconds, but if Matt K is still around I am game.
Although now with that pick, our momentum for this in-game might have been permanently stalled.
Dammit!!!!!
I don't like Timmons. I thought it was a mistake when they drafted him. Woodley, on the other hand, could turn into a Greg Lloyd-Joey Porter-James Harrison kind of guy. I liked William Gay. The 06 Draft was bad. Willie Reid was a real head-scratcher. If I wanted to torture myself, I'd go back and look at who we passed up at positions of need. The Steelers have ALWAYS drafted well. The last 2, though, have not been good.
Speak of the devil. Woodley finally got to him.
Yeah, Jamie, I'm game. I've got a lap top, a leather recliner, a beer, and the Steeler game in 57 inches of HD clarity. This is football watchin.
I really hate that Troy Smith guy.
I hate that man....FUCK!!!!
I think we're seeing the best TT has to offer right now, fellas. He's very high floor, but has a limited ceiling thanks to his height. He's never going to be able to take on doubles because of his height and he was a state wrestling champ who started to set lifting records as soon as he stepped foot here. He's a pretty good nose tackle who needs a guy like Branch to get the center isos he needs to be effective. Unless we go with behemoths on the outside, TT is going to lose out if the 3-3-5 is implemented in full. That kind of NT is far more Slocum's game. Who could be dominant next year if he's working hard and being good. And considering how hard he worked just to get here, it isn't that hard to imagine.
And Juice isn't really that much like Tebow. Juice doesn't break a lot of tackles and doesn't have l33t speed, nor does he throw that well. Tebow isn't super fast, but he's a heavy ball carrier and breaks tackles AND he completed nearly 70% of his passes. What's worse, we don't really understand the spread option, so unless we start asking RR, I don't see us with 7 in the box. Ezeh and Graham will flail as ever they did.
Agreed on Reid.....especially with the Holmes pick in the first round.....i like Randle El, but we drafted 2 guys to replace him, considering the best Reid could ever be is a return specialist.
Again, I wanted Maroney.....we could not have gotten him in our normal draft spot that year, but we traded up for Holmes and he was still on the board then.
Remind me again why we were picking last in the first round that year? Oh, thats right baby!!!!!!!
Oh, I also think it's notable that BG didn't do much of anything after he went out with that injury. He was holding up respectably against the run until then.
Ike Taylor might have the all time record for dropped interceptions for a career.....that would have been huge.....third down....guess who we need to contain?!?!?!
Colin, I see this 3-3-5 stack evolving into something like the 3-4 type defense both the Steelers, Chargers, and Patriots run. At least that's my hope. A major staple of both those defenses is a stout, enormous nose guard.
Steeler NT Casey Hampton is listed at 6-1, 335. Jamaal Williams of the Chargers is listed at 6-3 348. Vince Wilfork is 6-2, 325. I believe Taylor is about 6-0. I don't think height in an inherent disadvantage for the position. I actually think that having a lower center of gravity would be an advantage.
Jamie,
If you're drinking today, what is it going to be like on Tuesday?
not sure where to come down on the player transfer rules when coaches change. i don't find any tears running down my face for any of these guys, tho. the rule prevents transfers, which i would guess would double the transfer rate if the rule DNE.
TT can certainly be a 1st team All B10 guy...a will carr/glenn steele type guy...but not AMFB. that dude was large. now that i think about it....i am a little worried about the 3-3-5 next year. slocum, TT, TJam, Johnson, BG. those guys should see the field more than any other guys. and i'm not a fan of BG & Johnson either.
Yeah, it's clear why Ike plays D. Stone hands if there ever were a pair.
I really liked Randle-El. I was sorry to see him go. It was absolutely the right decision to let him walk. Washington grossly overpaid for his services. Not that he was the greatest return man, but we've been dying in the return game ever since he left. And, let's not forget that freaking perfect TD throw to Hines in the Superbowl. It was the most well thrown pass in the entire game!
Bill,
LOL......I'm thinking having to go to work the next day will curb my urges.....today is like Friday night, however.....and I dont mind the Steelers losing a meaningless game, but the sight of Troy Smith running through them is giving me the shakes, big time!!!
re: tebow/juice, uh, no. juice = scatback who can sort of throw. tebow = quarterback who can run like a fullback. plus illinois hardly played to their potential against us. plus florida has better guys everywhere else. except for j leman, of course.
Maybe a 2 game winning streak against OSU will ease the shakes/hives/nausea at the mere sight of Troy Smith.
Matt K,
I know we dont have a full team in there, but why are teams just gashing us lately with the run??!!??!!
Matt,
I've heard a couple times that TT doesn't actually go 6'0'' and to my observation that seems true. And what I ought to have said, anyway, was "frame" rather than height. TT is right around 300 lbs and it doesn't look like he can handle much more. He gives up 25 lbs to the smallest guy you listed.
The other thing I failed to consider is the Barwis factor. One of the test cases will be a guy like TT who came in as strong as he did.
Jamie, I have no answers. I've noticed it, too. I'm terrified of the thought of playing Jacksonville next week. They will probably destroy us on the ground.
I know we only have half a team in there but we look like we don't give half a crap. That's my biggest problem with what's going on. I want to see guys flying around and hitting people. But this is mostly guys flying around and whiffing on big hits and stuff. Concerning.
Oh these flashbacks are killing me, even with the play getting called back by a penalty.
Matt K,
Go Oakland, then!!!!!
Cripes, we cant even tackle their WRs.
Of course, if we Tenn....then you know what kind of flashbacks we'll be getting next week....so Go Colts, Go Oakland.....we'll take the Clowns, so long as we dont kick it to Cribbs.
Charlie Batch is brutal.....just goes to show you the Ben is a legit MVP-type of player.
Whose the backup today? Put him in already!!
Yeah, I'm not even remotely concerned about the Browns. I do think the loss of Aaron Smith is hurting our rushing D. He's so underrated. Also, our OLine sucks. Watching Batch run for his life makes it clear just how good Ben has been this year and how valuable he is. I hope we make an honest effort to bring back Faneca. With Smith's back issues, we could be looking at an entirely new left side of the OLine next season. Which would be basically equivalent to Michigan losing Long and Kraus, except on the pro level. It makes me nervous.
Colin, I wasn't trying to compare TT to any of those guys. All those guys are perennial Pro-Bowlers. I do know he's giving up weight to those guys. I'm hoping that's less of an issue in the college game. Anyway, I like Taylor and think he could be quite useful as an NT if used correctly. I have quite a bit more faith in that today than I did 5 weeks ago.
Jamie, I also forget that we've been without Polamalu for most of the year. How I forgot about him, I have no clue. But when he's been in there, I don't think he's been himself. Hopefully his rest this week is just a precaution and nothing we need to be concerned with for next week. We're getting gashed real bad.
Matt,
Its been amazing the numbers Ben has put up basically running for his life most of the season. Man, we are making these guys look great.....i think we actaully going to be the underdog next week.
Maybe Polamalu comes back next week and reinvigorates the D like Sanders did for Indy last year.
Look at the bright side Matt, at least you don't have to put up with insufferable Boston sports fans.
Unless the spread is something ridiculous like 14 points, I certainly wouldn't bet on us. Even at 14 points, I'd have to seriously think about who to place my money on. We're not exactly world-beaters at home in the playoffs, either. Although I'm sure neither one of us wishes to go down that nightmare block of memory lane.
I know you said you like to wager, where do you bet? You know a guy, or you use the interwebs?
Dan, it's too bad you're not a Pistons fan. That might be the one way to combat those a-holes. We've got hope with the Tigers next year, that's for sure! Hopefully we can knock them off.
Also, the way Elisha gagged that game away last night was really disgraceful. Think the Giants would like to have the 2004 draft back? I guarantee you they'd rather have taken Roethlisberger. Oh well, work should be fun when I get back. There's 2 Pats fans and many Giants fans. Surprisingly the Giants and Eagles fans are worse to deal with.
Matt,
Both. Had a guy when I lived in Chicago, but now use the interwebs since I moved away.
I've been rolling big in the bowls. Had GB today, but Dallas and St Louis are effing killing me right now.....also have the steelers at a pick in the 2H.....didn't think they could play worse. Ooops.....praying for a push...lol.
Cant win everyday.
A Gary Russell sighting.....more bad flashbacks, but at least he's on our team now......i think he has potential, the next FWP in as far as in a year or so, people will be where the F did he come from.
And, you and I will know all too well.
So, who's coming to Fl for the game ?
Scalzi,
Sorry cant make it....i intend to be right here in the open thread, though, so long as the traffic is not so heavy that it melts down halo scan.
Jamie,
Russell is easier to deal with because he's on our team.
Didn't the port securities act prevent online gambling? I never tried, honestly. Once I take that first step down that slippery slope, I know there's no coming back. I could probably at least break even or come out slightly ahead, given how much sports I watch. I watched the Mayweather-Hatton fight at a party. One of my friends had wagered on Hatton, but backed it up with a 10th round KO (going off at like 25-1, I think). So he lost on Hatton but made a killing on the 10th round KO.
Long story, I'd love to start wagering, but I don't need an addiction. This game sucks. Maybe if we're lucky some other awful ghost of college football past will show up.
Just think - you could have bet on that UCF - MSU game the other night.
Worst.Bowl.ever.
Scalzi,
What are you talking about, i has MSU and the Under....i thought it was damn fun!
Matt,
I've only been playing since 2000. By then I was 28, fairly established career wise and could afford it....i've always been fascinated by point spreads, but would have been way over my head experience wise and financial wise had I started, say, back when I was in college. And, I am not a big time player anyway....50 or 100 dollar bets on occasion go home and only do pro/college foots and college hoops....maybe a total of a dozen NBA/NHL bets combined, hey its a long winter....dont do baseball, but I am in a pretty lively, daily fantasy league and thats enough for me.
As for the law....what law,lol.....some off shores have actually received rulings in their favor from the WTO that they dont need to follow our laws.....i would not expect any crackdown until that gets resolved.....the best the govt can do is make it harder to deposit and cash checks, but there are plenty of banks out there, so I am not worried yet....Visa, I know, blocks those types of "purchases" Mastercard does not.....my local bank here (locally owned, by the way) has been very accomodating, yeah them.
Now, if the govt wants to come after me, fine.....and I assume when they do that means all the terrorists, gang bangers, drug kingpins and tax cheats have all been vanquished..despite the waves made by the recent law, this is low low low on any enoforcement priority list....and, i can always go back to a real live bookie as the guy i used remains a friend of mine.
The good thing about the internet, if you ever get interested, is you can bet 10 bucks a game......you can do it just for fun and not wager a whole lot.
Ahhhhhh... here comes the patented Baltimore Ravens stupid penalty meltdown. Although, upon further review, that was a truly atrocious call.
Matt,
I think, actually, comparing them to NFL types makes some sense because I don't think Taylor has a lot of room to improve. If he's nearly reached his ceiling, he's easy enough to project. I think his failings are obvious enough, unlikely to get too much better, but also that he's got plenty of good things too.
"Anyway, I like Taylor and think he could be quite useful as an NT if used correctly."
I think that's exactly right. He's useful and a nice piece that really works well in certain situations.
Slocum has to be the better pro prospect from what I've seen.
And the UCF-Miss St. game was abysmal. There were approximately 0 talented skill position types. That Kevin Smith guy sucked ass.
That last TD drive gave me flashbacks to that Manningham long TD vs Wisco....giving me hope, but how much hope.
Oh, and in my last post, I meant to say 50 or 100 a game with an occasional bet higher than that. Those are rare, though.
In the end, I make a profit over the course of year, like earning another month of pay....I'm still learning. In time, maybe i'll up the amount wagered, but I am on edge already and not gambling anything close beyond my means.....i really dont need the added rush, so what I'm doing suits me just fine.
That would be sweet if we got a safety here!!!!
This michigan post or an NFL?
It was an honorary Steeler In-Game while Matt and I were here....it did not go well.....steelers did win the 2nd H barring something looney though.
Matt K,
Jax at Pitt....next Saturday night!!! If Ben is the best player on the field, we'll win.....need Troy P to come bacck in a big way!
It's seems alot of people on this post like show in great detail,using x's and o's,stats,and player comparisons,how Michigan does'nt have much of a chance on Tuesday.Well I for one like our chance's quite abit.It's almost depressing to come on here and read all the negative talk,
and god forbid if someone comes on here with little rah rah additude,they are quickly dismissed as someone who does'nt know what they are talking about.I'll tell you what alot of people would not want to tail gate near us,we actually get up for a game.
bludog,
It's not like it's knee jerk negativism. Reason is a good thing.
Michigan - Florida Could end up being a game future coaching staffs point to when tying to fire up the troops.
What does that get you on game day?guy's like you must look at all the rabid fan's behind the Game Day crew and think what a bunch of idiots.
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I think I read that one of you said you were going to be behide your computer during the game.Hearing that I relize how 180% different your life is from mine.A little advice,go to a Michigan party or go to sports bar,surround yourself with some other people and maybe your life would have a little more optimism in it.
Jamie,
That was kind of a bummer. I'm not all worked up about it, we showed some life in the second half. I also got to watch the last 4 minutes while chowing down on freshly barbecued baby back ribs. Sorry to leave you high and dry there at the end. That last Batch throw was an Anthony Morelli level bad decision. I'll probably be around next Saturday night. Although, I will likely be pacing around like mad since it's an actual game of consequence. I get nervous at these playoff games. My roomates at the time thought I was literally going to die when Bettis fumbled in Indy.
Thanks for the insight into betting. Eventually I'll make my way down to AC and search out a sportsbook (if they have them) and get by feet wet.
Is'nt there a dungeons and dragons chat room some of you guys can go to talk about your off the subject things.This is MGOBLOG the M stands for Michigan football
Is'nt there a dungeons and dragons chat room some of you guys can go....
oh, one could cut the irony w/ a knife.
@ jamie and Matt.. you won't believe ittheres this new invention,you can punch in a set of numbers and then actually talk directly to the other person.Give it a try.
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Stu, you must be a Bengals fan.
"What else could be wrong with Michigan? How about a matchup with the Heisman Trophy winner and the SEC's most dangerous offense (43.1 points per game)? Plus, Urban Meyer is from Ohio. Think he doesn't have it in for Michigan just a little bit?"
This is an example of the media crap I am totally fed up hearing this week.I don't care if I thought Michigan was going be blown out by 30 points,I refuse to come on here and add to that horse shit.
I'll take a Lion leading a bunch of lambs
over a Lamb leading a bunch of lions everytime.
@ wisdom oookay thank you for that.
Friends of mine are setting up an actual cage match between a live gator and a wolverine.I'm not shitin you.I think you know who my money is on.Check you tube key word gatorwolverine.
@ cal You crazy son of a bitch, day and time I'm there
Hey Don you out there?still drunk and crappy or what?
Sorry Don I ment to say crabby,not crappy
Ok stat nerds you've got a 32 slant line up with double trips to the right side,now if the back goes in motion,will the linebacker still key on tight end?
See how dull and boring you sound.
Stu, Stu, Stu,
Nobody was talking much about UM at the time....Matt K and I were both in here chatting anyway and are Steeler fans....where were you last night when we were all watching the GLI you big ole Maize and Blue fan, you.
I'm sending a minataur your way. watch out for the battle axe!!
Oh, and Matt K,
Jax +1 at Pitt....yes, thats the line....did they not see the game two weeks ago.....then again, Ben's winning % as a starter is damn effing good!!!
I'm looking in your direction:
Scalzi
jamie mac
Michiiigan Dan
colin
@ jaime mac Oh, and Matt K,
Jax +1 at Pitt....yes, thats the line....did they not see the game two weeks ago.....then again, Ben's winning % as a starter is damn effing good!!
See post at 8:00
blue 66,
What are you looking at me for?
Hey bludog you still out there? I like your way of thinking.Alot of guys on this post need one of Bo's size 11 shoes up their ass's.
Jax +1 is tough. It's essentially pick 'em at that point. Right now, today, I'd lay my money on the Jags. It's not that I don't have faith in Ben, I do. Probably too much. I have less than zero faith in our D. Something is broken there, and it's probably not going to get fixed this season. Jacksonville is going to run the ball, and they're going to shove it down our throats. That's something we've been vulnerable to the last 5 weeks or so.
Although, you take David Gerrard on the road, at night, in the playoffs at your own risk. So maybe Ben is enough to warrant a bet on the Steelers. This is a game I wouldn't bet on. Plus if you take the Steelers and the point(s) and they lose, you're getting the double whammy.
@ jaime mac See post at 8:34
I do expect the line to move toward the Jags as the week moves on.
@ Matt K Matt, buddy,give us all a break on the damn boring chit chat between you and Jaime.
You've never bet on a game in your life what do you care what the line is?
Go on your super top secret my space page and do you talking on there.(wink,wink,nudge.nudge,say no more, say no more)
blue 66,
Just waiting for you to add something worthwhile to talk about.....if we're too nerdy breaking down football, like your 8:34 post implies, then what are you doing posting within a UFR thread.....you do see the irony, right.....methinks you're the one in the wrong place.
Not sure where you'd come up with the idea that I've never bet on a game in my life. I do participate in a pick 'em league. I got crushed last year. This year I'm doing marginally better. It's not for money, but it doesn't mean that I don't follow and pick the games.
BTW, I could really give a crap if you think me and Jamie should STFU. I'd recommend you start your own blog and moderate the comments if you're this fanatical about the topic of conversation in the comment thread of somebody else's blog.
Seriously,does anyone really read the UFR page?I have yet to see it referenced once
Don't you think your comments should be of interest to more than 1 person
Blue 66,
You and Stu seemed to be interested, so thats three.
Why dont you comment on the UFR and get the talk going then.
My take, it was revealing the breakdown of the big Beanie run....i had been blaming Cradle for going for the strip and not tackling but UFR, it looks like our safeties were the culprit....ironic because they made the biggest improvement as a unit over the course of the season.
Because your comments now are of interest than more than one person? I'm kind of confused.
I found someone other than my Dad, uncle, or cousins to talk Steelers with. There are no places like mgoblog for Steeler fans (at least that I've found). If Brian cares that we hijacked the UFR thread, I'll cut it out. I do find it odd that you're trying to moderate the comment thread of his blog. I also find you to be quite hypocritical. Besides, none of us need to re-live the OSU game. It's completely irrelevant to what's going to happen next year.
Ok now were getting somewhere,the real culprits were the linebackers, our defense is set up to funnel most tailback runs to the linebackers,thats why the have the majority of tackles on most teams is from your linebackers.
Also, I think that the fact that the safety play is what caused the back-breaker is just about par for the course for this season. They crapped the bed big time in the first 2 games. Then, magically, the secondary became a strength of this team and helped carry us during our 8 game winning streak. Then they disappeared at a crucial moment for OSU. That's a perfect script for 2007. If Angry Michigan Safety Hating God is into symmetry, we can count on a few back-breakers due to poor angles or a safety or two falling down.
@ Matt K
Ok Matt there are as we speak 37 people on line if 5 of them want me to get off and let you speak about the steelers I will.People please respond now
blue,
There was a brief discussion of our piss poor linebacker and d-line play in the offensive UFR. I think gsimm was the first to mention it, and I tossed in my 2 cents.
New front page on Rivals says McGuffie is excited about the changes at UM, i.e., the incoming spread offense. It also says that Cissoko will recommit to UM during the Army All-American game.
New Michigan Offense+ Talent = CARNAGE
Murl,
I think we all agree McGuffie would be awesome in RR's system.....he's not really considered much of a pro prospect yet, and after seeing what RR did w/ Slaton and White, combined with the scouts' allure for Michigan players, he's got to be drooling to come here.....I know I would be if I were him.
blue 66,
Does not your post at 9:08 make you a little like those you spit on in your 8:34 post....funneling of linebackers? You're such a nerd.
blue, I'm with you on the carnage thing. I'm real excited for next season. It might be painful at times, but it should be fun. 2-3 years from now, I hope we're firing on all cylinders and the Big House is rocking just in time for the renovations to be done (09-10 season, if I'm not mistaken).
Anyway, I'm out. You're all saved from Steeler talk until Saturday. I hope we can enjoy the bowl game, and I hope it's a Happy New Year for everyone.
Jamie Mac:
I'm sure McGuffie will thrive under RichRod and he is stoked about his future at UM. I wonder what we will do with the logjam at RB with Grady, Brown, Minor, and to a lesser extent Horn, all in the mix. Either McGuffie will redshirt, and I don't see that happening, or one or two of those other guys will presumably switch positions.
Murl,
Logjam at the RB position...I say play them all!! Constant chaange of pace and fresh legs....split some out, direct snap to others, multiple tailbacks in the same backfield.....this is the super ninja offense we're talking about and we're not taking any shit!!
Donovan Warren is a member a pro-McGuffie group on facebook.
Not sure what that means.
Where were all those D-War transfer rumors coming from.....anyone get to the bottom of that.....yeah, Blue66, we spent some time on that today too. It wasn't all Steelers.
heh Jamie mac
I like the super ninja comment. Like a lot of other Mich faithfull, I am excited about the possibilities next yr
Steeler side talk is fine afaiac...not that my vote means anything. Started with Michigan in 76/77....and became of fan of Steelers in 77/78.
So what is it? "Super" ninja, or "Wacko" ninja offense?
Need to know before I make t-shirts, ya know...
Jamie you talk a lot of x/o stuff. IN NCAA CFB they have the WVU using not only shotgun formations...but I form and ace sets. If we run those formations also how can we not be viewed as a school giving a QB exp for the NFL anymore?
mgoblue,
Damn! It is wacko....i had a lapse....wacko works so much better.
aged_wolverine,
Great! Like I told Matt K, its not Steeler Village, or Steeler City, or Steeler State....it is STEELER NATION!
We are everywhere. Glad to have you on both my bandwagons....and not to offend Brian, but its pretty apparent I will be starting a Maize and Blue/Black and Gold combo blog.
You all are invited....you can watch Lamar Woodley and Larry Foote!
Heh cool man.
Grew up wanting to be the next leach/bradshaw till crohns hit me at 14. I picked up Big Ben last yr in our local fantasy league...12 yrs running. Threw Bulger back to keep him this yr....damn good call if I do say so :)
Aged,
Actually I am not the big time X and O guy on here....i just use my eyeballs, there are other guys (and even some ladies) who are more into formation crunching and stuff...I think we'll have to really see what kind of offense RR sets up. He has had a ton of eperience with the passing spread, He has done it before, so its not necessarily a lock that we're going to break away as an NFL pipeline for QB.....besides as more Vince Youngs emerges, guys like Tyrelle Pryor and those who follow him will have more pro value.
I have no idea if that answered your question....i just started rambling.
I like wacko ninja offense, personally.
Horn may be a candidate for a position change--safety perhaps(?). He has size and is very fast, 10.5s 100m in high school.
I have said this before, but if Mallett bails and we miss out on Pryor, I hope to see Carlos Brown get some time at QB, his high school position.
So, has anyone given any thought to the possibility that the Skins stay red hot and we get a Washington-New England Super Bowl.
Collins vs Brady.....how about that!!! It would clearly be the highlight of this year's Michigan season....unless we beat the mighty gayturds.
Well for Todd Collins it would be cool for Wash...but I dumped Portis this yr for his comments about Vick. Not trying to get that subject going, just down on the skins now.
Been over on the open scout forums for WVU watching em go crazy out "getting saban". Gonna be funny...we chase him from big ten...gets chased from NFL...then runs from SEC. Yep if I am a recruit I wanna go play for him /sarcasm off
GO BIG 10+extra cheese!!!!
I hate the SEC! Doom to Fla and LSU.
Yeah Joe Pa! I'm going to change that to internet yelling so he can hear; GO JOE PA!!!
I'm tired! I'm going to bed!
...tired housewife.
With regards to the jerseys for the game, there was a picture of Mallett wearing the white jersey with a Capital One bowl logo on it recently.
everyone reading this crap? :
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...48/SPORTS&
imw=Y
So glad Carr is leaving. No one knows how to give Cortisone shots, and we should start Henne even though his arm is SHOT for the OSU game????WHY??? Why not put in a healthy Mallett over an injured Henne? Makes ZERO sense to me.
In Rod we Trust...Can't wait til September
Why all year long have people made escusses for this dl?
most of our lb play problems come from bad technique...
but it was enough coaching last year to make for a good defense. becasue you had to double team michigans dl...
if you are playing a gap shceme like michigan does, a dl can NOT be single blocked, and simple, "stand his guy up" imo the reason why DH looked so good last year, and our ILB's looked so bad this year was terrible dl play... it may not show up in stats or in a UFR, but beleive me, that is the single biggest change from last year to this year...
So Brian, no post yet about the GLI win? Football has obviously dominated the news recently, but we finally won one of those damn things again; that hasn't happened since I was at M and got bored seeing us win it every year. Plus it was an incredible game on top of that. Billy Sauer (!!!) was MVP!
I still am not sure what kind of a contender this team is nationally, but I do know I love to watch them and they can keep on proving everyone wrong.
The blog's proprietor is pretty clearly a nerd. If you're looking for some supermasculine screamfest about how Team A just wanted it so incredibly hard that they triumphed, there's always tWWL. I'm sure Sean Salisbury would be glad to give you any flavor pigskin enema you ask for.
Dick.
"if you are playing a gap shceme like michigan does, a dl can NOT be single blocked, and simple, "stand his guy up" imo the reason why DH looked so good last year, and our ILB's looked so bad this year was terrible dl play... it may not show up in stats or in a UFR, but beleive me, that is the single biggest change from last year to this year..."
I'm pretty sure I've suggested something similar, though I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. I assume you mean the tackles have disappointed, as neither Johnson nor TT draws a double team consistently. 1v1, they only occasionally come up big.
At the same time, the linebackers have been totally miserable. They can only make plays when unblocked and this DL is basically incapable of keeping blockers off of them.
I do want to know what you mean by "gap scheme". As opposed to what? A stack? I think I've got the broad concepts, but not necessarily the terminology.
blue,
You can't read. How is
"Oh, I also think it's notable that BG didn't do much of anything after he went out with that injury. He was holding up respectably against the run until then."
that not a reference to the UFR? Brian said he had a meh game and I suggested there be a caveat. And seriously, if you're not some sort of nerd, what are you doing on this blog?
That Rosenberg article should put to rest any Henne-Leadership-Toughness issues. And it's at least somewhat comforting to know our fortunes were submarined by chance.
colin....
michigan since before i was conscience about it, has run a gap scheme defense... meaning that dl are expected to control single gaps, that is an angle defense... where they line up is not whats important, as much as what gap they have... when michigan has good dl, they require double teams to control a gap. that leaves line backers free to scrap and fill... watch harris last year. how free he was... this year that has nto happend... angle scheme does nto neccesarily mean its the dl's job to keep linemen off of the lb's as you tackel what comes through your gap... as opposed to a jam tech. or two gap system, where linemen are there to be the sacrifical lambs...
the stack defense can be a type of angle defense, or a two gap system depending on how employed.....
it comes down to getting people to buy into the team concpet and teaching techniques...
The Qbs coming out of RR's system are not going to be great pro-prospects, this is true especially if we run the spread option. Vince Young is not a great NFL QB, he is very inconsistent albeit its his second year!!! And he was a 65% passer his junior year, so he was not bad at passing before he came out. Someone line Dixon or white are going to have trouble gettin drafted as QBs in the NFL. Even Tebow might have trouble but Meyer just came out and said they were going to a two QB set next year with Timmah running less, so he might hone his passing skills...
Anyway what i am gettin at is for Lefty to stick around so that he can school kids in the fine art of passing along with the running. This is because in my old fashioned opinion (iam only 25!!) we should get our "starters" prepared to succeed in the pros, make them good at their position so that the transition is a little bit easier.
Will johnson has no chance of survying in the two gap scheme, he just does not have the necessary strength or leverage. Maybe if he bulks up to 315/320 from his current 295/300 he has a chance. And by bulking up i mean not the GIT way but the Barwin(wink, wink) way!!
Can anyone imagine what would have happened if some miracle happened and Mallett sparked some offense during the OSU game, just enough to score a couple touchdowns? Or maybe someone returned a kick or ran in a pick-six. How would Tressel's gameplan have looked then, content to sit on a non-situationally-speaking fairly small lead?
Forcier could run the spread-option. Is he a scrambler or just a more-mobile dropback QB? Oh wait...
he's gone. Nevermind. he's also French. Double forget that.
Anyone in favor of starting a "Keep D-War a Wolverine" group?
He would be an enormous loss, with BooBoo coming in next year or not.
TOC:
Having read gsims' explanation of our gap scheme, I think it's okay to conclude that they wanted to keep Johnson relatively small and mobile. I think (and this may be true of the OL too, come to think of it) that basically we have been unable to get enough strength at the size that gets the speed English's defense was looking for. Presumably if we were seeing a strength and conditioning gap there would be some sort of corresponding performance gap. I cant really think of exactly what that would be though.
"So, has anyone given any thought to the possibility that the Skins stay red hot and we get a Washington-New England Super Bowl."
Jamie, I am with you on that! It was great to see Collins get a shot finally and he has shown up BIG! This would be an awesome match up! Although, who to root for? It would be fun to see a team go totally undefeated, (and their star QB a Michigan man) but Brady has had his glory, how about letting Collins get a piece, he has been very patient!
Paul Mow, thanks for that. Simply appalling.
I've seen a few reports that Pryor will announce during that January 5 All-Star game, has that been confirmed? Since he hasn't even visited UofM yet, am thinking that would be bad news for UofM and good news for OSU if he does in fact announce during that game. I'm hoping he stays mum during that game and then visits UofM shortly thereafter, anyone have any info/updates on this front? Has Pryor even scheduled a visit to UofM yet?
You know, every once in a while I break down - usually during a slow time here on MGoBlog - and post something on the Fort at Rivals. I might as well post something on Webkinz. The "quality" of discussion there actually drags your IQ down a point or two each time you spend 5 minutes digging through the topics.
Several observations (and advice to the Fort folks):
1. Don't keep changing the goddamn SUBJECT. The SUBJECT is...well...the subject of the topic. Don't answer a SUBJECT of Pryor to OSU? with a new SUBJECT of ...just a rumor...ignore. That is what the body of the post is for.
2. SCREW ALL YOUR LITTLE ABBREVIATIONS! The previous abuse of the SUBJECT line is then likely followed by some stupid abbreviation that normal people have no clue about, like nm or * or ** or 8 or SIAP or some such stupid shit. Learn to type whole words.
3. The top thread there now is I'm pretty f'in drunk. This is what excites the Fort. If you go too much deeper, you'll get zilch or maybe a couple nm's thrown your way and then thread death. The second busiest thread is Dude I am so efffen pumpe for this game. Chad in the shotgun, Mike running, which neatly demonstrates bad grammar, alcohol abuse, a lack of football savvy and bad use of a SUBJECT line all at once.
Stay away!
Hurry up, Brian, and ressurect MGoBoard.
No, Pryor is waiting until signing day. Stated in a couple recent interviews.
FYI (may be old news): "McGuffie said Southern California, Miami, Florida, Iowa State and others are recruiting him but he is firm in his commitment. He said no other visits are planned."
From Rivals.
I still don't buy this "the shot made Henne's arm numb" story. The nerves to the arm pass through on the axillary side (under the armpit), just where the %#$@ were they sticking that needle if they were trying to inject the SHOULDER??
Really? I thought there were a bunch of nerves exiting C5 through T1 that could be in range.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20001101...101/
2067_f1.jpg
But I am not a doctor and did not sleep at a Holiday Inn Express.
Depends on if they were trying to do a nueral block or not.
wut up GLI Championship
Since he hasn't even visited UofM yet, am thinking that would be bad news for UofM and good news for OSU if he does in fact announce during that game.
On the Pryor front, I have to wonder if all the shifting we're doing at QB (Schoenhoft to TE, Henton to backup) is a sign that Pryor is probably coming here.
Of course, that could also be a defense thing. Word is Henton's turning out to be quite the mini-Troy Smith, and if another Big 10 team gets him, the plan could just be to develop him in to Troy Smith's second incarnation. That works too...
into. Because that's one word.
we should start Henne even though his arm is SHOT for the OSU game????WHY??? Why not put in a healthy Mallett over an injured Henne? Makes ZERO sense to me.
why? bc for better or worse, carr is loyal to a fault. henne gave up millions to play in this game. if his right arm fell off, he would have been in there throwing with his left.
not sure if i totally disagree with carr's decision to keep henne in. kinda hard to look the guy in the face and say - sorry you've been waiting 12 months for this, we're turning the reins over to a true freshman.
Disagree. If he can't throw - and he couldn't - I don't care what he gave up, you sit him down, pat him on the shoulder and he deals with it.
Bad, bad call. He was completely crippled and, as a result of using a crippled RB and a crippled QB, we racked up < 100 yards of offense.
I should probably clarify, I meant if another Big 10 team gets Pryor.
Also I don't know if you guys are interested, but the Columbus Dispatch is running a poll called "Someone has to Win" about the UM-Florida game. The results:
Michigan and Florida will play each other in the Capital One Bowl. Which team do you want to see win?
10% Florida (My favorite team is Ohio State and
whoever is playing Michigan!)
90% Michigan (41-14 still hurts, and there's the
Big Ten thing.)
I thought the way Tressel sat on the lead in the second half was a bad idea. I know, since I was told eleventy billion times, that it worked (which means it MUST have been a good idea) but I just don’t agree. Many data points come together to suggest Tressel doesn’t trust Boeckman. It will be interesting to see how he does against LSU.
I’m torn on the Carr owing Henne thing. If we hadn’t seen Henne get it together for a few clutch throws against MSU and the fighting Zooks, it would be more clear cut. Mother Hen Tressel was one miracle parabola from Henne away from a real fire storm. What I cannot understand was the refusal to try something creative. It would have only taken 1 or 2 plays. Watch the Steelers/Seahawks Super Bowl for an example of how you win by making 3 or 4 plays when your QB is hideous.
Bad cortisone shots can happen and make limbs numb. It happened to Bettis just before a huge game once.
MattK, Jamie, I would have participated in the Steelers stuff but well, that game was so putrid that there was nothing to discuss. How can the opening line have Jags by as little as 1?
This years bowl should shape up as the most entertaining in recent history. Winning is always fun (at least I remember it was.) If M loses, they will probably do so for all the old reasons and since everybody is gone I can spew bile knowing tomorrow’s a brand new day.
Guys, I got a novocaine shot in my jaw when I was getting my wisdom teeth out that made my right arm numb. The human body is a strange and wonderful thing.
Also, why lie about it now? Just don't ever explain -- that's the usual Fort Schembechler approach anyway.
@MeeechiganDan,
re: the fort
I completely agree. I split my friend's membership with him a couple months ago and it's atrocious. It has absolutely nothing of any value and you need the Rosetta stone to try to understand it. Even the 'moderators' just post things like 'expect some good news, but there might be some bad news too coming up sometime in the near future'. I could've gotten better advice by calling Cleo
@Carmen O
Interesting poll in the Dispatch. No doubt if OSU was in the Cap 1, Rose, or any other bowl, the results would likely be similar in AA (although I'd predict about 80% for OSU since there is still a lingering desire to see them lose since we clearly have had our issues). For the NC game, i'd predict about 25% for OSU.
ATL, so true! And there are these relics with 26,000 posts floating around with nm, nm, nm.
Every time I post something a little challenging, it slowly sinks in the thread list, untouched, until it vanishes to the land of thread death (page 2).
Surprising, given the high level of exchange (sans trolls) on this primitive Haloscan thing.
When Brian restarts MGoBoard, he should create a rule disallowing stupid abbreviations and responding in the SUBJECT line.
Can we expect the VEQ today or the preview or both? Orson sounds pretty backed up on his page (odd given the slow down in posts there the last few days).
Anybody know a place for the sopcast of today's bowls? I'm stuck in the office until at least 330pm(ET). I'd settle for just the Cal/AF game, but any others would be appreciated.
I'm not surprised one bit by that poll in the Columbus newspaper--OSU fans seem to hate anything Florida (who can blame them after Florida was the one team standing between them and NCs in basketball and football last year?). Additionally, everyone outside of the midwest is dogging the Big Ten and carrying the SEC banner, fueling the whole "OSU doesn't belong in the NC game" sentiment, so a UM win would help to quell that garbage.
@ Brabbs...
Believe me, I understand rival issues. In Cbus, we feel like we still haven't completely avenged the...ugh...Cooper years.
However, we REALLY hate Florida. Hence the rare approval of a M*ch*g@n victory.
Shawn Crable is not smart:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...0020/1054/
rss19
@Meeechigan Dan-
"But I am not a doctor and did not sleep at a Holiday Inn Express."
Perhaps- but the C5-T1 nerves make up the brachial plexus, which passes under the clavicle and proceeds underneath the pec major out to the arm. So unless they were trying to inject Henne's shoulder through his armpit(???), it shouldn't have been a problem. And if they were, it should be malpractice.
Now, if they were trying to do an axillary or an interscalene block, yeah that would make the arm numb, like it is supposed to- but then Henne would not be able to even LIFT his arm, let alone throw a football....
Giving a shot? Aim twice, shoot once. That's what I say.
Wow,
Its so good to see the familiar names posting....its been awhile.....holidays, I know......be careful what you post, though, as it appears there are few new "moderators" who are against sub conversations breaking out and think we're nerds for wanting to break some of this stuff down....lol.
Katie--I'd pull for the Skins....as a steeler fan, I am in the ABP (anybody but patriots) crowd, Brady's UM connection be damned.
Carmen O----I feel Pryor is a wild card. I am not in the "he's coming for sure to Ann Arbor" camp, but I am not in the he's a "done deal to OSU" camp either. Before RR left, I actually feel the better bet was he was WVA bound.....but interesting insight regarding the personnel changes, because the recruit did say he was 'meh' about OSU offenses and maybe those are smoke signals from Tressel that it will be all good if you come here....oh, and not to be crass, but I could care less who you guys cheer for tomorrow....lol.
MDan, do you think we'll ever stop shaking our head at the last few years of the Carr regime. Cripes, that story, even if 1/2 true, is re-damn-diculous.....what is this, a high school team?!?!
Imafreak.....i knew their were other Steelers here....we were both posting about the UFR, the Steeler game was on, so we did a de-facto in-game....obvioulsy, it did not go well and brought out some "critics." Thus far, everyone I know says the Jags are the easiest bet next weekend. Since the people I know aren't living in golden palaces off their winnings.....hmmmmmmmm.....a night game! How exciting!
Am I wrong or have we talked about someone screwing up an injection to Henne before? Was it only a rumor then?
And didn't this sort of thing also happen to Jerome Bettis? I think it kept him out of an NFL playoff game, in fact...maybe even against the Patriots.
I know a lot will play out after the bowl games, but OSU is snagging committments every day. We are praying that we keep the ones we have. RR needs to step it up here (albeit he has limited time to do much) and start bringing in some athletes. People mentioned Shazor much earlier in the thread. He was one of my favorites of all time (dating back to the early 80s). What is he doing now?
Glock, you clearly stayed at the Express, so I defer to your expertise.
Jamie, I don't think we know the half of it. I remember reading some story about a month ago about how Carr took his hands off the steering wheel over the last off-season and preseason, to the point of barely being there. I bet we'd be horrified at the inside story of the last couple years.
Shawn Crable is not smart.
I thought that was pretty obvious.
1. 2006 helmet to helmet (Thanks!)
2. 2007 blocked kick (also good!)
@ Navarre,
I would imagine he is not sitting around Ann Arbor just ignoring the state of West Virginia's law suit. Does the "dead period" end after the MNC? I imagine being able to visit guys would be extremely helpful.
And comparing us to OSU's recruiting isn't all too fair. They are the #1 team in the nation... again. They are in the MNC. They have been a better program the last 4 years (probably longer, but this is probably how long ago these recruits were starting to take interest in what college they wanted to go to). If RR can solidify all our current commitments and squash out these transfer rumors, I'd be satisfied for this year.
My repetitive use of "probably" should probably end. No luck with anyone finding a sopcast of the early bowl game? I'm stuck in the office in need of content or football.
1. 2006 helmet to helmet (Thanks!)
Bad Call Carmen(watch the replay
@ Carmen o I don't think we need to lectured by a OSU fan.Crables just fine in my book.But if you want to disect some the Ohio State players intellect,I'd be more than happy to.
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Jimbo
Hey now, I'm not ripping on his character, and I'm not trying blasting your team or lecture. I happen to hate Mike Hart with the fire of 1000 suns, but you don't hear me tear into him because he (usually) produces on the field. He also works hard. Crable has made some horrible (and costly) decisions, so I figure he's fair game.
@ Johnny Sideburns--Why do you keep posting that?Hell, the team has watched alot of film,maybe thats his opinion.As far as the bullitin board stuff goes,if you need that to get fired up for this game ,you should'nt be playing at either of these high profile schools.
*that's an interesting place to put trying. Kindly ignore it.
*also replace lecture with lecturing.
Anyone hear about our recruiting efforts towards Perry? Also, scout is claiming B. Smith has his school made up, if I had to guess I would say UF, but anyone hear differently?
@ Carmen O ...It goes back to the old thing of I can say whatever I want about my family and its okay,but let an outsider say bad things about my family and its a different story
If you were reading a LSU post that said Laurinaitis was not smart, I think you would abject.
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Ok...so Scout's front page has a picture of Antonio Bass and a tagline that asks "is Antonio Bass inching closer to a return?"--would someone with a Scout membership please fill us in as to what the word is on Bass?
Maybe Dr. James Andrews can perform some experimental Yzerman/Ordonez surgery on him and get that knee fixed.
How do you blow a knee out that bad doing a agility drill?
If Bass comes back and contributes at all I'd have say he's got the will of lion.
Not sure if anyone's posted this already, but Terrelle Pryor showed up to the all american bowl in a michigan sweatshirt, when asked about it he said he just liked the sweatshirt, but the other osu commits were not very happy. could be a good sign for big blue!
We might change our mind too..
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A. I was agreeing w/ one of your fans
B. Some good-natured ribbing is part of the rivalry.
If you need an tOSU player to mock, may I suggest Mo Wells? Because you're not going to find a lot on the Little Animal.
I'm sorry you had to see that Carmen.
The Truth:
If Pryor did that, he probably just did it to gin up talk--he seems like a colossal publicity hound--dude has his own website for crying out loud. Then again, so does Mallett.
Seeing your handle reminds me of The Knowledge during the coach search. I kinda miss his repeated Sarkisian calls. Those were funny.
Little Animal? Careful now.
Truth:
The sweatshirt was probably an Xmas/Kwanzaa gift from his cousin, Clemons.
Anybody got any big Michigan parties set up for tomorrow?
Not me.
I should be waking up out of my coma right around game time.
Carmen you can be my special guest.
Who's announcing Mi-Fl game anyone know?
I plan on spending the Capital One Bowl trying to keep my brain from splitting in two. I'm pulling for M*ch*g@n, and that's creating issues for me.
Don't know if this has been posted yet. Found it interesting
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...PDATE/
712310407
You can't allow a recruit to have influence over who stay's and who goes.
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I agree. Does he want him to transfer because he expects to come in and start as a freshman?
Mallet would be a moron to transfer then. If by staying he ensures Pryor won't be there to take his spot...why the hell would Mallet leave? It's not like QBs are lined up at M*ch*g@n right now...
If Pryor goes else where we'll find someone to come in and run the spread,Pat White was not highly touted coming out of high school.
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Not before Mallet gets a lock on the position and has a chance to work on and develop in Rodriguez's offense.
@ Jimbo
There was a post with a link to all of the announcers somewhere. I'm looking for it now. Might have been on EDSBS. I'll get it when I find it.
yeah, cant help but think about a pryor, mcguffie backfield
That would be a machine.
What about Threet? i dont know much about him, is he somewhat mobile?
The only thing the worries me about running quarterbacks(other than injury)is the ability to come back after falling behind in a game.With Mallets arm(once developed)you can back quickly without taking much time off the clock.
I'm reticent to pine for Pryor at the expense of Mallett -- the devil you know and what not. The idea of McGuffie and Pryor in the backfield tickles me to no end, but I also saw signs that Mallett is capable of developing into an excellent QB.
Air Force is beating Cal. Life is good.
Another Pac 10 team could go down...
Penn St. did the big ten proud...
up to the big 4 now.
Pryor is a 5-star QB recruit coming out of hich school. So was Mallett last year. To assume that Pryor will be the savior before he's ever played a down in college is nuts. I would love to see Pryor end up at Michigan, but I think we're in for an even rougher season than is already expected next year if Mallett is gone.
I dont know everyones view on Mallett but i'm excited about what he can do next year, he has a monster arm and R2 could throw him into a patriots style offense
If Pryor wants to start as a Freshman, and that's his primary motivator, then he wouldn't be considering tOSU. No way in hell Tressel starts him over Boeckman. He's famously loyal to veterans.
Orlando:
From all the scouting report stuff I have read about Threet, he is profoundly immobile.
Mallett showed flashes of excellence at the start of the season. I still believe he can develop into something great. Hopefully he sticks around.
"The "quality" of discussion there actually drags your IQ down a point or two each time you spend 5 minutes digging through the topics."
Yup. Before I discovered MGoBlog I'd periodically visit Rivals or Scout, and the signal-to-noise ratio was so consistently bad that I eventually gave up.
People like gsimmons85, MeechiganDan, DanK, CAUP 91, JamieMac, ImaFreak, a bunch of other regulars I'm forgetting, the occasional Buckeye, and Brian have all forgotten more technical aspects of football than I'll ever know, so when I read your stuff I'm almost always learning something. And at the minimum, it's entertaining.
As for the others who're more interested in steroidal chest-thumping...not so much.
Thank god we didn't get Tedford.
This Cal team looks like it hasn't practiced in months. Completely unprepared.
Why to keep on subject Don.
Quit sucking up Don...JK
\As far as the bullitin board stuff goes,if you need that to get fired up for this game ,you should'nt be playing at either of these high profile schools.//
Well, let's see. Last year Florida was playing for the national championship. This year they've lost three conference games and are preparing to play a third-tier bowl in their home state against a team with a lame-duck coach, an anemic offense, and who also happened to lose to a Division 1-AA school.
Yeah, I'm thinking motivation could be a challenge. So let's piss off their beastly Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback, just for good measure.
To all you Tedford supporters *cough* *cough*...
Take a look at what Air Force is doing to Tedford's California Bears.
21-0 at the beginning of the second quarter.
Gotta love that Pac-10 defense...
Cal has a good run defense
For whatever reason, my gut feeling is that Mallett doesn't transfer. Rumors abound about him transferring to Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, or Texas Tech, but I have faith that RR can convince him that Mallett has a place in Michigan's new offense and that he will continue to develop into a QB who can go forward into the NFL. RR has already soothed and stroked the egos of McGuffie and Cissoko, and I think he can do the same for Mallett.
Tired of hearing how "USC is playing the best football in country right now".I don't agree
kinda glad we didn't get Tedford. don't wanna judge a guy by one game, but these guys looks lost.
\Air Force is beating Cal.//
Yoo-See Berk-Lee, in the "Bell Helicopters Armed Forces" Bowl. You can't make this stuff up. QUICK, GET SOME MORE HIPPIES IN THE TREES!!!!
Air Force already has 180 rushing yards. It's the beginning of the 2nd quarter.
most recent rumors have him at either arkansas or houston. Houston may change with x-oklahoma OC as new houston HC. Same with Arkansas
Brian's love for Tedford never made total sense, and getting whacked by AF after their season-ending swan dive makes me glad BM didn't go after him.
I don't know if Rodriguez can convince Mallett to spend the next THREE YEARS with him. If Mallett were a junior and didn't have much eligibility left, I think he'd be easy to convince to stay.
But it will be a lot tougher to commit to three more years of uncertainty and the possibility of Pryor looming over his shoulder. If Pryor comes to Michigan, I think Mallett leaves...and I don't think Rodriguez would really care at that point.
Chicago, great point..R2 will make mallett successful, plus sitting out a year especially after playing a ton his freshman year would not sit well with me at least
That whole sitting out a year has to be weighing on Mallets mind also.
You don't leave M*ch*g@n for Houston. Arkansas maybe, not Houston.
I'm stuck in an office, anyone have sopcast info on that game?
Amen sister
ESPN has a gamecast going.
Houston?!?!? wow
Big New Years Eve Party,Then Michigan Tomorrow.....Just livin the life.
It would be a humiliating move for a QB rated as high as he was, and Mallet doesn't seem like the pride-swallowing type.
At least at Arkansas, you play in the SEC and you get TV time. What's Houston?
Tired of hearing how "USC is playing the best football in country right now".I don't agree
couldn't agree more. after losing to Oregon, they scored 24 points 3 out of 4 games against average opponents. killed ASU, but so did Texas. besides the ASU game, their best win is maybe Cal, and look how good Cal is. snuck by Cal, and also needed to recover an onsides kick to beat Washington. and lets not talk about Stanford.
what the hell is eveyone impressed with?
(as I write this, ESPN just said that USC is playing the best football in the country. again.)
Go Fighting Illini.
anyone going to the game? i need some good sign ideas
Ryan Mallett = Matt Gutierrez?
Matt Gutierrez who is being sized for a Super Bowl ring even as we speak.
@ Coach Brabbs..its like they all take the lead off one another, one guy sez it and they all start repeating it.
Another
Bad Offensive
Call by Debord
Was starting Henne over Matt Gutierreza mistake?
Orlando -
I'm gonna show up and try to scalp a ticket.
I live in titusville, btw.
didnt henne start because of a guterrez injury?
Essentially
Stretch
Plays
Never Again
supposaly you don't lose your job to injury, Matt Gutierrez sure did.
Scalz,
I'm in windermere, just recently moved from buckeye country and have quickly learned florida fans aren't much different, hope we shut them up tomorrow, luckily i'm in the michigan section or it might be hell
Expect
Spread
Proficiency in the
Near future
The game is on ABC, not espn.
thats true jimbo i think after henne's freshman year everyone thought he was going to be unreal
Dont
Do
Any
More
Who knows what might have been.
Another
Bowl
Catastrophe
I keeeed, I keeed.
I agree with an earlier poster who said that you can't let recruits dictate personnel decisions - i.e. Pryor potentially influencing RRod to "push" Mallett out the door. However, from a pure football standpoint, given RRod's preferred offensive system (remember, Shaun King ran for ~500 yards his Senior season) and the fact that Mallett sucked ass this year ... I'd prefer Pryor. (And I do still have some optimism for Mallett, but his suckitude this year increases the probabilities that he's Jumbo Morelli).
I see Mallett potentially being similar to Justin Fargas - an OMG shirtless recruit from another region who chose Michigan, had a middling (if somewhat promising) Freshman year, left to another major program, fizzled for a bit, and then had one productive year in college football.
FA...
You're watching ESPN on ABC!
Everybody Stop, Please. Now.
If Pryor is that serious about U of M (according to Gray, who I trust as much as I trust Amedinajad), then I like what might happen in Ann Arbor. He's done going to the shithole (CBus), and I think RR can pitch a Tebow/Leak type of early situation with Pryor getting a full crack at a Junior Mallett down the line. I hope Gray isn't full of shit.
'Eers
Sports
Permanently ours
Now
no matter what happens with mallett or pryor im just excited to see an offense that isnt run by lloyd and deBORED (i'm only 20)
I think the fact that Pryor came during a football Saturday is a real advantage for us. It was the Wisky game, the shoe was on fire, and the whole student section spent the 2nd quarter chanting his name. He seems like he would respond to that kind of recognition.
Granted, maybe the fact that he wasn't at one of your games works for you. I hear your fans aren't the most...energetic. At least in the stadium. (Which makes no sense! A stadium is for die-hards!).
The Jonas Gray thing (go Country Day!) doesn't make a lot of sense. Mallett isn't going to decide whether to transfer in the next few days. He likely will wait until after the Spring Game. So Pryor won't know what Mallett is going to do before National Signing Day (let alone the All-American game on Saturday).
Adios
deBord
C- Ya !!!
Damn auto align
btw- 91% of ESPN.com voters have picked Florida.
If RR really wants Mallett, I bet he'll stay. I'm sure Mallett's plans assumed that he'd be high pick in the NFL after no more than four years, and sitting for a year would throw a wrench into that.
If RR is lukewarm to Mallett while at the same time Petrino is promising Ryan the keys to the Arkansas kingdom, I can see him transferring, though.
@Brabbs
You're shocked by this? ESPN has spent the entire season trying to convince everyone that Tebow is God's gift to football, the SEC is an 800 lb gorilla (even Kentucky), and that the Big 10 couldn't score 20 points against the SEC if you spotted them 17.
Stupid Mark May.
according to florida fans down here "superman is going to murder michigan...70-0" direct quote by the way
Does anyone know if the S & C guy is coming with Rodriguez? And if they have started getting rid of all of the Gittleson equipment in Schem Hall to prepare for the new year?
In an ESPN poll of "who will have the best game on new years day?", TT is ranked the highest with 40%. The sad part is that the state of Michigan is picking TT as well, and actually upping the national average for him with 47%.
lol...the Spartans outnumber you...
ravens fire brian billick
RE: the possibility of Pryor coming to UM...don't forget that Pat White wasn't starting for RichRod as a freshman when the 2005 season began..."Concrete Charlie" Bednarik's 2nd cousin Adam Bednarik was actually WVU's starting QB at the beginning of their Sugar Bowl run...true story.
Anyone who thinks Mallett is transferring is being downright foolish. I don't think it is ANYWHERE in his lexicon. The idea of sitting for a year does not factor into these high-profile kids' heads. If there is anything to this grumbling (which I doubt), it is just that: grumbling. The one bit of leverage they have to beg for a little new coach love.
Please. Probability Mallett transfers: 1%.
I doubt that the sitting out a year thing is a significant factor for Mallett--this is purely a business decision. The key question is what school will best enhance his prospects of getting to the NFL and being a top draft pick.
Loeffler, who recruited him and developed several of UMs recent QBs into NFL picks, is gone. I understand that RichRod has not had top QB recruits to work with, but the bottom line is that he has little history of developing top NFL picks at that position. (I say little history given Shaun King). If Loeffler comes back, that may be a significant factor to Mallett. If, on the other hand, Loeffler does not come back, Mallett is taking an enormous risk with his future in terms of gambling on RichRod's ability to use and develop him as an NFL prospect.
That is no doubt why Mitch Mustain, who could have transferred anywhere he wanted, went to USC knowing he would likely sit behind and/or have to compete with Mark Sanchez (Rivals top 100) and Aaron Corp (Rivals top 100). USC's recent history is churning out top QBs.
Anyone hear news of Tenuta coming as the D coordinator. ESPN just reported he is rumor to be a top candidate at Mich and LSU and that an announcement is imminent.
No way, Murl. If that were true, there would be a pattern of high profile QBs who happen to be holding the starting job at a high profile university walking away from that to go sit a year and possibily with less guarantee of playing time.
These kids don't walk around thinking that a particular position coach is their key to draftability. He is at Michigan, a QB school, with the starting job for a coach who will obviously showcase his talents.
I am revising my probability of transferring: 0.28%
They've actually released a picture of Gittleson's s&c equipment room
http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/
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M Dan:
I hope you're right. I want to be wrong. I think Pryor would need to redshirt a year to work on his mechanics. We need Mallett.
New post by Brian.
@MD
Agreed on Mallett. I know I keep repeating this but I thought he did ok for what he was given. Not great, but ok. I have to think RR will try to talk him into staying because recruiting has GOT to be a concern at this point. Only an idiot would put all his faith in a high school recruit.
MD
I concur. Mallet's way too cocky to transfer. He seems to have ego to spare. Also, the visibility he would have at M*ch*g@n helps his draft status. You don't give that up.
@Carmen O
i'm just surprised that a full 9% of the espn.com voters appear to be michigan fans
Or disgruntled tOSU fans.
FormerlyAnonymous,
I agree with you, I am sure that RR is being as proactive as he can be, I am just saying that we need to be that way. The reason I compare us to OSU is well they are OSU and tell me the last time that we dont compare ourselves to them. I realize they are #1 and have a great recruiting class, and that is the point. We need to get to their level. It is not fair to compare us to them because they are so much better? They are better, but that is why we must compare ourselves. You get the drift, and I agree that it will take some time to get our athletes and the RR's system down, but when we do, I hope we roll. GO Blue!
Did Longshore get yanked due to performance or injury. Cal seems to have "stormed" back.
the latest rumor was mallett possibly considering ucla b/c Rick '15 over the 2 seed is a lock' Neuhisel (sp?) is there now. this was on wtka this AM.
i seriously doubt mallett transfers...he has as good a shot to start next year at M as anywhere else. tho, if he did, it's really the same as taking a RS, then having 2 years to show is stuff to nfl scouts. that that big of a deal.
Sam Webb on wtka this AM: thinks MM is gone. AA 50-50. TT, DWarr stay. Mallett will most likely stay thru spring ball.
and i put ZERO stock in what Gray has to say about anything.
does anyone know the HSAA game schedules? i know there are 2-3 this year. when is the Army/Lemming/NBC/ND parade AA game? what are the other ones? who is playing in what game (TP, matrix, other commits)? thks
US Army all american (1/5) has cissoko, non-commit Ellis, non-commit hale, noncommit jenkins, non-commit pryor, non-commit smith on the east. Mcguffie, non-commit perry, and non-commit robinson on west.
Most non-commits had Michigan in the top 3.
ESPN/Underarmor (also 1/5) has wilson, stonum, moore, and o'neill. They don't list schools interested in, just undecided.
thks, formanon
Carmen O-
On the contrary, michigan stadium can get very loud in the stands for a big game...ive lost my voice and (almost my hearing) on many occasions...the problem is that the bowl shape of the stadium can't direct that noise on the field.
though as the great Ufer pointed out, we certainly are not a stadium filled with 75000 truck drivers....so im sure you guys would still have an edge in the noise department all things being equal...
Don't you jingle keys?
haha, yeah--good call....that's lame..
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