dammit my head hurts
Why do we even have Bill Martin for? Or any AD for that matter?
It's so clear that Carr in MSC's ear is the gasoline in the engine. This is unfortunate.
Unless you hire me, or Brian Kelly.
I'm agnostic until at least tonight after the SECCG. Miles could still come our way. How does he night at least talk to Martin before making a decision?
I'm a Buckeye fan, but I enjoy getting Brian's take on things. Did you watch this buffoon's presser?
"My damn strong football team?"
THIS guy is the hottest commodity in coaching??? The world has gone insane.
@ Gary
Don't sleep on Brian Kelly.
But to think that Miles wants to stay at LSU over Michigan is to underestimate what is really going on here in Ann Arbor.
What is going on in Ann Arbor would make Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay blush.
ESPN changed their headline again - "Miles working on new contract to stay at LSU"
So N O W W H A T?
Seriously!
Cue- The Brian Kelly bandwagon
im loving the drama
Chuck Norris to Michigan.
I dunno, I'm still hopeful, call me crazy.
Lou Holtz for HC! At least there'll be magic tricks during the halftime speeches...
This coaching search is a joke. Does this kind of crap happen to other schools?
All these statements equate to each participant throwing crap at the other.
They mean nothing.
Miles would still have to sign the agreement, am I correct?
If the Les deal is over then Michigan will focus their attention on Brian Kelly.
I agree with Blast32. Les Miles is a goof. Michigan will have egg on its face, but it'll be for the best, so long as we get a good coach.
Les Miles is insane. As a Buckeye fan I was wanting him to go to Michigan, b/c Tressel would eat him alive in the game management department. Oh well, on to Brian Kelly, whoever the hell that is.
I just love that some douchebag at ESPN might have cost us a football coach. We should boycott the next college gameday.
I was never really comfortable with Miles, but the only thing that I liked was that this was his dream job and he understood the position better than others. This couldn't have worked out better because if he takes it, it's because it is his dream job. If not, then I think there are better options, though for the life of me there isn't one that jumps off of the page, other than Stoops and maybe Rodriguez.
I think we will be better for all of this.
None of this makes any sense. Why would LSU grant Michigan permission to speak to Miles, and then issue a release three days later saying that Miles won't entertain an offer. Does that mean that LSU granted permission to talk to Miles without even first finding out whether Miles was interested? That just seems totally retarded.
Les Miles and LSU deserve each other. Go Vols.
Has Herbie even mentioned where he got the info? I didn't see him announce it on Game Day.
I still can't tell what the F is going on. Someone needs to contact his agent George Bass.
Well if this hasn't turned into quite the soap opera.
Someone's gonna need an extra hankie.
Personally I hope you guys get him.
how about the arKANSAS coach, oh wait, they don't have one.
I'm a Buckeye fan, but I enjoy getting Brian's take on things. Did you watch this buffoon's presser?
"My damn strong football team?"
THIS guy is the hottest commodity in coaching??? The world has gone insane.
I liked the passion he showed in that press conference, honestly. I think he cares a lot about his players, and if he's emotional about it, so what?
None of this makes sense on the surface. It makes perfect sense if you think that Carr hates Miles, and is in MSC's ear.
2 things:
1) It is pretty clear that Michigan has absolutely no intention of hiring Brian Kelly. Chengelis is really plugged in and basically said that there is no serious talk about him on the search committee.
2) How is this grim? I think this is insane, but this is far from grim. This has become a situation where I think we have to go get Les. I think it's fairly clear that the leak did not come from anyone connected to the Michigan athletic department. I also think that with the upcoming renovations and the desire among fans and boosters and donors for a change, that if we're not going to get Kelly, the only other name left is Miles. Anything else would be seen as totally unacceptable and with the need to sell 80 luxury boxes, Michigan cannot have an unacceptable result.
Am I crazy for thinking this way?
gnarls,
you been drinking again? have you watched any of lsu's games this year? les miles has made some of the dumbest calls i have ever seen in my life. do you want me to list them for you? trust me, you guys are better off without that ass clown. tressel would/already does own miles -see 2004 alamo bowl.
I respect the fact its in your blood to hate Herbie (not a big fan myself) but I think you should really be thanking him if you're of the belief he killed the Miles to Michigan possibility. Miles is a clown as evidenced by the presser, his clock management, play calling etc...also, he's a bit of a loose cannon in front of a mic and that's not the Michigan way...as a lifelong Buckeye, I'd be happy to see Miles in Ann Arbor.
Mary Sue has NOTHING to do with this at this point. Once Bill Martin got permission to talk, it is all a series of prescribed dance steps in this prom. However, someone on the Michigan side just spiked the punch, Kirk F. Herbstreit got bombed and puked all over the prom queen.
Now who knows what will happen?
Brian Kelly and Tanuta wouldn't be a bad combo.
Carr is the turd in the punch bowl.
what about John Cooper??
Ladies & Gents:
I may have read too many conspiracy novels. However, this is a total "anti-Miles" play, probably orchestrated by the current people.
We will end up with Debord, and I will discontinue my season tickets.
JB - I don't drink all that much, and rarely in the early afternoon. I'm not sure if Miles is the greatest gameday coach (he's probably not), but his overall body of work is impressive. He's posted three strong seasons in the SEC.
As for the notion that Tressel "owns" Miles because of the 2004 Alamo Bowl, well, that's just Ohio State University logic at its finest. Does Ron Zook "own" Jim Tressel?
It's over, Miles is not coming to Michigan. It's no one's fault. Bertman played Martin and Miles got more money. End of story.
My sources tell me a wildcard candidate has emerged: Cam Cameron.
@ Other Chris
I wish that were true but she's all over this and so is LC.
"I liked the passion he showed in that press conference, honestly. I think he cares a lot about his players, and if he's emotional about it, so what?"
I dunno, gnarls. John L. Smith had a lot of passion too, and he was a walking disaster. I see this guy as JLS with a better recruiting draw.
This all means nothing in the end. There is no story. There is ESPN creating a story, and LSU and Les responding to that story because it blew up.
LSU has been confident they would retain Les all along, and that the attitude they need to take. Michigan will meet with Les as planned, and we will see from there.
The only other possibility is that a deal was indeed worked out with Les at Michigan (and maybe Tenuta too), and it was supposed to stay under the radar until tomorrow or Monday. Then somebody let the cat out of the bag. I wouldn't be surprised to see this all come out again in the next two days.
Cam Camerson????? lol. mr. 0-16? nice.
New information: Lloyd Carr has been named interim coach to help recruiting until a new head coach is hired!
My sources tell me a wildcard candidate has emerged: Cam Cameron.
Mmmm...Michigan is going to offer its head coaching position to an NFL head coach who flamed out at Indiana and is currently 0-12. Good times!
My souces tell me that Belicheck inquired about the head coaching job, but Martin told him that no Michigan Man would ever wear a sweatshirt with cutoff sleeves.
All of this nonsense is causing me to start hating the internet. Yet I can't look away!
I don't know about any other U of M fans, but I for one do not want Michigan to hire from among the Les Miles of the world, but I want them to hire "the next Les Miles." As Emerson once said, "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." That's the Michigan difference!
i still think John Cooper would be a nice fit up there. What about Rich Kotite?
kingghidorah
Tenuta will be at LSU.
FL Blue:
Thanks for the laughs....even if they are from gallows humor....
Da Plane!
Da Plane!
Sadly, Tenuta to LSU does make a lot of sense if Miles is staying there. I remain optimistic!
I wish people would stop dissing Bill Martin. If he fucks up this Les Miles hiring, it will be the best thing he's done for UM athletics. Just ahead of the Beilein hire. I'm not being sarcastic.
Agreed with FloridaBlue...
Miles is probably pissed beyond recognition. Plus, he realizes that Bertman likes him, and Lloyd doesn't. Why would he want to give up a job in the bomb shelter to work in the front line?
Cameron is tight with Miles. After how Mary Sue, Lloyd, and Martin played Miles, do you think Cameron would want any part of this?
Debord is the only candidate at this point.
Schadenfreude can be a wonderful thing.
Have a nice weekend!
THROW MONEY AT HIM, AS MUCH AS IT TAKES.
Tiger
You could be right.
What is getting lost in the drama of today is that it has brought people here to comment who reduce the mean IQ by about 40 points.
If you think Miles is definitely coming or not coming you are an idiot.
WWWWWWW
TTTTTTTTTT
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Agree with poser #1 - MY HEAD HURTS
@ Sparty
why do you care? we will own Sparty w/o a coach
Again...
It's even clearer when you consider the first leak. Herbie gets the Tenuta scuttlebutt - probably some informal chit-chat between himself and Les - and runs with it. The media start ringing up someone for confirmation...who?
The LSU AD, of course, who is absolutely pissed. So he says, "Les has negotiated and extension to his contract. I have it right here!" Carty and Angelique and others print that he's staying.
AD is pissed and drills Miles. Miles holds the presser, but gets the "I represent MYSELF!" dig in at the AD, who stepped over the line because he had not agreed to the extension and had every intention of going forward with the interview with his beloved Wolverines.
It's like a Arthur Conan Doyle mystery now, after Sherlock explains all the observations and deductions.
Emerson? What the hell was his career record at Harvard? How many Rose Bowls and BCS title has he won? I'd rather have Kipling, damnit!
I can't believe any Buckeye fan can diss Les Miles for being a buffoon when their coaching tradition is Woody Hayes.
Seriously, seriously insane.
GM -- it makes no sense. Martin would not approach the LSU AD unless it was 100% okay. This whole fiasco is a big black eye for Michigan, no matter how it shakes out, and no one would want that, no matter how meh they were about Miles. Trust me on this one. I may not have Athletic Department insider info, but I have first-hand experience with similar level hires, with similar controversies attached. No matter how much infighting there may be, Michigan does not wash its dirty laundry in public. Hell, we rarely admit we HAVE dirty laundry.
I think all you conspiracy theory guys are nuts. Occam's Razor all the way, babies.
seriously, who is DeBord? I think you mean Frank DeFord? Great writer, but not sure as a football coach, could be a reach. Could help the players with their English papers though.
The Cam Cameron and John Gruden inquiries are the most ridiculous and absurd posts that this board sees.
On an unrelated note, sorry to say but I think Brian's coverage of this hiring has tarnished this site a little bit. He seems a little too eager to be first with the scoop which comes off looking childish to me.
Bill Cowher
The Michigan athletic department doesn't do things the way they're done at LSU. Martin does the right thing, waiting until after the SECCG to contact Miles directly. Miles's perturbation in that presser was with the way LSU's athletic department has put him and his team between a rock and a hard place, trying to force his hand. Miles flies to Ann Arbor tomorrow to talk with cooler heads. The next time we see him, he's telling us he's coming home where he belongs.
Well i'm done for today. I'm going to enjoy the games and just wait and see what develops from here...GO MIZZOU !!! I don't want the FUCKEYES anywere near the title game !!!
Money shouldn't be an issue when it comes to paying our next HC and his staff. We have the ridiculous Adidas contract and an $8 BILLION endowment.
OTOH, we shouldn't overpay for anyone, even Miles. I would argue that $3 million/year is the absolute upper limit on what we should offer Miles.
If LSU does offer him $3.45 million/year I think they are overvaluing his worth.
goealges - you ever heard of paul brown? i think he won a title at ohio state.
JB probably was all excited whe John Cooper was hired because he "owned" Michigan with one bowl victory.
Whoops.
2 things:
1) LOL @ Who is Debord?
2) I haven't heard a word about Michigan or Martin in the entire coverage and not seeing the dirty laundry angle. From what has been reported, all we know FOR SURE is that Miles has been offered an extension and a deadline.
"Miles will not entertain any offer from the University of Michigan to become the Wolverines head coach or from any other institution." Yeah did Miles say this or is this the AD speaking on behalf of what he thinks Miles would say?
and again Miles also says he represents himself in this situation. Until I hear Miles himself say he is not coming, the rest of this is pure bullshit put on by the LSU Athletic Department.
"No matter how much infighting there may be, Michigan does not wash its dirty laundry in public. Hell, we rarely admit we HAVE dirty laundry."
We sure are WASPy that way.
yinka, i know who owns michigan right now - TRESSEL. 6-1.
jb
In all seriousness, Miles' dig is solely and only at Bertman: "I represent myself." Bertman is doing all the talking to every member of the media he could get his hands on. Miles may be staying, but he's not a happy camper at the moment.
The leaks did not come from Michigan. It's all LSU -- and it makes them look more small time all the while.
Gary Moeller,
LC to MSC has only to do with Ferentz. BM and his search committee are doing the work on this search. LC is not on the search committee. He and BM do not care for each other (which is an understatement).
Martin ain't talking bc he knows the truth about Les. If Miles' PC was blowing smoke to remove the distraction for his team, Martin knows it, and will still make a call tomorrow to set up an interview. Martin and Miles haven't talked, so ESPN's reports if anything were premature. Bertman's remarks could also have been disinformation to support Les and get the LSU team focused for the game today.
@JB
Maybe you missed my point. Insane buffoons can win national titles. Four, in fact.
maybe you missed my point - woody hayes was not insane.
I'm pretty much in complete agreement with 00goblue00 on this one (except for her blatant overuse of "lol"... no one laughs out loud that much).
The only person who got screwed in this mess is Les Miles. By ESPN... by his AD... etc. Hence the hostility in his presser towards both ESPN (overtly) and his AD (aforementioned comments regarding his "representing himself".
JB of course ignores my point because he knows pointing to one game as evidence that Tressel "owns" Miles is completely retarded.
Go harass people on ESPN's boards, JB, adults are talking here.
personally, i wouldn't be at all opposed to kelly as the next hc, but it seems that the les deal was only f-ed up by lsu/media
I seriously suspect the leak did not come from LSU. Herbstreit would not have run with the story if the source didn't check out.
The internal discord in the Athletic Department is more serious than anyone had imagined, and look for a serious house cleaning if Miles does come after all this nonsense.
As bad as Mike Debord was, he still beat John Cooper all three times he coordinated against him.
Miles is staying at LSU. OK? He is a little irritated at Bertman, but he realizes Bertman really wants him there and he appreciates the love. He probably didn't want to fight the Lloyd faction at Michigan -- even though he seems the kind of guy who relishes a challenge.
It's done now. It's time to begin the Mike DeBord Era. ChampsSports Bowl, here we come!
les miles is a buffoon. lets move on to a discssion of frank deford, and what he will bring to this storied program.
So have we gotten any definitive information on Miles' pregame on-field interview? "Anon" posted in a previous thread that he, FOR THE FIRST TIME, said "I'm not going to Michigan."
Just trying to confirm information from the man himself.
Ian-
I have been told that before by friends when I talk online that i use "lol" way too much. I need to work on it.
Unless he says something concrete at the presser tonight following the game, which I doubt since he hasn't all season he will interview with Michigan sunday or monday.
Remember what he did before he left OSU for LSU. He said he was staying at OSU...that didn't happen.
anon hasn't posted a link. don't think he said that.
Read the transcript. It is on this blog. There's a video if you are a Buckeye can't read prefer.
Indeed goeagles, but old insane Woody never played Ohio State off with some other national power in an effort to gain himself a fat pile of money.
Times have changes, I guess.
Damn, strike-through markup doesn't work here. Killed my attempt at weak humor.
to think that 'Les to Michigan' is over is ludicrous...
i think he chose his words carefully during the presser...Michigan will come calling as soon as today's game is done and over with...
Of course not. He's going to the locker room right now.
@Yinka
I think JB is too busy biting his own hand to notice. Because that's what sane people do.
I'm not too fond of this Mike Debord idea, but as a 5-year experiment it might work.
Fuck...Miles just told a sideline reporter that he's accepting the head coaching job at R-Kansas.
yinka,
why do you care? the point is now moot, miles is staying at lsu. you want my honest opinion? i really don't care who coaches michigan,i think tressel can beat anybody up there.
Miles has a game to coach. LSU's season hasn't ended. Doing or saying anything else would be completely disrespectful.
@Blast32
Agreed. Hayes was completely insane, but he'd never play schools off for more $$$$.
Problem is, I still don't think Les did that. Yet.
Les Miles would never have gotten up there and made those strong statements if he was planning on coming to Michigan. It's not in his character to make a statement that will make him look bad later. Think simpleton here folks. He's pissed that there was a leak he was coming to Michigan because it wasn't true. He made the strongest statements he could without a signed contract in place. It's over. And Mike DeBoring will NOT be our next coach. You'd have to be retarded to hire that guy given his track record. MSC and BM are not mental midgets.
Les isn't coming (whew!) but someone better will.
JB - none of us can understand you with Tressel's nuts in your mouth.
get ready for CBS' piling on.
Michigan's bad in this whole thing was naively believing that the process was still pure.
welcome to the new era of Michigan football kids.
Pimp Media owns us all
Wolverine32 - I agree. Angelique is saying Martin was going to talk to him tomorrow at a neutral location, but I am hopeful he will now go after him guns blazin'.
Tressel will beat U of M as long as he has direct line to all the mafia money in Youngstown and thugs like Clarett and Troy Smith.
Seriosly, why would Herbie report something like that? He got bad information and ESPN decided to run with it. But when you think about it, what would LSU do if the reports that ESPN had were true. They want to save face, they want to win the SEC championship game, and they want their team united. Thus, you create this big controversy about possibly false rumors, and then say, don't worry guys, he is coming back, go out there and play your heart out. Now, LSU put all this crap on Miles. They have a agreement, but nothing is signed. So after the game, Michigan can contact Les, and what LSU AD says, to me doesn't mean anything. If Les wants to be the coach at Michigan, he will be the coach, if he doesn't, then move on. Let's find someone that does. But I do have a sneaky suspicion that the anti-Les crowd at U of M might have something to do with this. Les, you have spoke so highly of Bo in the past, I wonder what he would be saying now if he were alive to see this.
-Why does this seem like an old cold-war drama with all these rumors and misinformation?
Shit. CBS on video had Les saying, "I will be the coach at LSU next year."
Let the douchebag go. He's overrated anyway. They are gonna regret paying the dude this much cake. I was most fired up about the Tenuta news anyway. I say lock down Brian Kelly or Jeff Tedford as HC and pay Tenuta as much as you can to be DC. Go Blue!
woody hayes didn't even cash his paychecks, let alone play a former national power to fill his already fat bank account. all i can say is, what in the hell is going on up there? how is the hockey team?
Just now on CBS:
Some sideline reporter got an interview with Les Miles after the presser.
She asked, point blank, "Will you be the coach at LSU next season."
Les said, "I will be the head coach at LSU next season."
Take it for what you will.
titleix:
I'd argue that Michigan's problem is that it still believes that people abide by ethical standards common to 1967.
For better or for worse it's 2007, and the ethical goalposts have shifted so to speak.
les says to CBS that he will be LSU coach next year.
tracy wolfson...
interview, les miles mouth "I will be the head coach at LSU next year, absolutely"
FUCK
I'm lifelong um fan and alum, and I will perservere even if they do not get Miles. But if they promote Deboard, my first born is going to indiana (my graduate school). I suppose Kelly schiano or tedford would be a good pickup.
Les Miles just announced on CBS just announced that he was going to be the head coach at LSU next year...
Here we go flight tracker!
Way to go Lloyd. You got what you wanted.
MillerTime-
He said that about OkieState too. That didn't happen.
It's over kids. I've been yelling hoarse for an hour now. Les Miles is NOT COMING TO MICHIGAN!
We need to focus on the next guy. Fielding Yost VII is available!
hey ben, troy smith was from cleveland. pass the birthday cake, will ya?
Well...now I'm no longer optimistic that Les is coming.
Sigh. Get Weis on the phone!!!
fuck, it's over. congrats to lloyd and MSC
Really super smart intelligent Rhodes Scholar black guy is bashing Michigan again.
I'll believe it when I see it.
JB,
Here you go.
Football coaches always mean what they say!!!
Only one man can save us now....
...mangenius...MARK MANGINO!!!
So Carr, who do you want to be the coach? Ferentz turned you down. You don't want Miles. How about Debord? Would he fit?
Herbie probably had a pretty reliable source. I'm thinking the original story of the day is legit, but it wasn't supposed to come out yet. This has forced the situation to get a little messy. It would make sense for Les to be angry about the news leaking at the worst possible time. And Tenuta, in very convincing fashion, said he doesn't know "yet."
Does anyone recall the exact words he used at Oklahoma State before leaving there for LSU?
CBS just played a one-on-one interview with Miles. He said very clearly he *will* be back with LSU next year. Guess there's no doubt now.
bluewolv--
EXACTLY.
Just like we've all be clamoring for 21st century offensive and defensive schemes we now gotta swallow the 21st century shenanigans.
Let Les Miles stay at LSU.
And let's home that his wife doesn't kill him.
Plane tracker may be right on....
SEC and Atlanta reporters should NOT be reporting about Michigan.
I am totally baffled as to why CBS is blaming Michigan for this total fiasco. Has Michigan done anything except request permission to speak to Miles? If Herbie thought he had a reliable source to make a public announcment, that is on ESPN.
DP:
I think that's Spencer Tillman. He played tailback at OK.
His makeup was really bad when he first started with CBS' CFB broadcast. Think Dave Chapelle in whiteface bad.
Other Chris,
I don't have time to debate this, I understand that LC/MSC were big proponents for Ferentz (out of more Pro-Ferentz feelings than anti-Miles sentiment); however, there is a great deal of anti-Miles amongst some of the brass.
Do you guys really think BM can strong-arm anyone?
Also, whoever thinks BM and LC don't get along is a fool. They have a great relationship.
Barnhouse says Kirk FAAAR-rentz is coming to Michigan. Run for the hills!
SEC championship game pregame show is talking about how Bill Martin may have purposely submarined this process by putting Les in a position where he's got to either leave now or deny.
I'm inclined to say that's a possibility; look at Les's love for UM every time he opens his mouth and somehow he turned us down.
Oy
@ even more bored at work:
What he said on CBS is what he said on the LSU Radio Network.
I don't think you can get anymore definitive than that. On the other hand, Nick Saban said "I will not be the Alabama coach," so who knows!?
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Gnarls,
My honest opinion is that if Les indeed isn't coming to UM, in 5 years you will all be talking about the bullet you dodged.
JMHO.
Miles said he "will be the coach at LSU next year... absolutely." It's over.
@FloridaBlue:
You've been yelling everything from Mike Dedbord has been named head coach to Les is out to Fielding Yost VII. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while - especially when that blind squirrel spouts out every crazy idea that comes into his head.
So congrats, you got it right. Kinda.
Sounds pretty official from CBS - LES said def. he will be back next year at LSU. Unless that means for the bowl game only...we have no chance. How did we lose him??? How??
Miles will be the coach at LSU next year, he just said it. You don't have the job you used to have, kids.
Ferentz = Strike 1
Miles = Strike 2
Maybe Coach Francione is available? Or, if you're still partial to LSU, DiNardo?
Fun, fun fun.
Honestly, who will take this job now? When your most accomplished alum currently active in coaching turned you down, it doesn't bode well to your program.
Mike Debord is the only realistic candidate at this point.
2-10 here we come!
Jesus, now CBS is talking Ferenz too. Shoot me now.
Sorry Brian! If Les Miles doesn't want the job...FU*K'EM! We are Michigan and we should not resort to begging anybody to take this job.
This isn't over. Get your checkbook out alumni.
Anything over $4 million is stupid though.
Meechigan Dan - no disrespect but just a little egg on your face here with all the psychoanalysis gone awry. Dude, LES IS A SIMPLETON.
Now, we got a chance of bringing someone into UM with a bigger BRAIN. A bigger brain is what this program needs, not bigger balls. That whole "lesticles" things was so fucking annoying.
P.S. I think Les just read the comments section of this blog and found out a lot of people think he's not too bright. His wife said, "Les, do you really want to deal with all that A2 snobbery?" Les: "Hmmm, good point, the people down here aren't too swift so I fit in nicely here."
man fuck this. i'm gonna go get drunk.
From a buckeye fan...CBS states that Tenuta is looking for the HC position @ GT, and if not, another DC position in which he can become HC VERY SOON (within a few years). If Michigan doesn't go after him for HC...which I doubt will happen...then I don't think Tenuta will come to Michigan. This is because Michigan will have a brand spanking new HC over him, who will need at least 5+ years to establish himself...too long for Tenuta's liking I would estimate.
But its all estimation at this point lol.
plane tracker is on, it's coming from lawrence, r-kansas. oh wait, that's a small blimp.
Michigan didn't lose him.
Les Miles is a blabbermouth.
And then, when it came back to bite him in the ass, he blames other.
perhaps this is why Lloyd has no love-lost for him??
The smartest thing posted so far...
The Michigan athletic department doesn't do things the way they're done at LSU. Martin does the right thing, waiting until after the SECCG to contact Miles directly. Miles's perturbation in that presser was with the way LSU's athletic department has put him and his team between a rock and a hard place, trying to force his hand. Miles flies to Ann Arbor tomorrow to talk with cooler heads. The next time we see him, he's telling us he's coming home where he belongs.
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titleix:
Yeah...I'm not saying that Michigan needs to cover itself in mud to be successful now...but the Michigan family seriously needs to:
1) Understand the reality of the world we live in circa 2007 AD.
2) Be much more aggressive. This is not mutually exclusive with having integrity!
How much money can we throw at Belichek?
CBS will blame Michigan because they are SEC-centric.
Understand the nature of that bias. They have no real incentive to maintain journalistic ties to Michigan's athletic program. However, they do have every incentive to do so with LSU. It's not really a conspiracy, it's how journalism works.
People, what the hell do you want Miles to say? I'm not saying he's coming or not, but if a reporter sticks a mic in your face and asks that question, what is he going to do? Backtrack on his press conference? Refuse to comment? He's in a position AT THE MOMENT, where he absolutely has to pledge allegiance. Anything less would make him look like a total fool. (And I'm aware many of you already think he is.)
"He and BM do not care for each other (which is an understatement)."
blueink, unless you can provide a reliable, credible source for this statement that Carr and Bill Martin don't like each other, it goes into the dumper along with the "Kirk Ferentz is all but signed" line of poop. Out of all the unlikely things I've read over the last few weeks, this is right up there.
As for all those still holding out hope that Les hasn't dumped our sorry ass, you're a shining example of hope triumphing over reality.
"Coach Miles and the chancellor have already worked out a contract that they're happy with, but it hasn't been signed yet," Bertman said.
Ain't over ain't over ain't over.
Fuck Bill Martin and Carr for fucking this whole thing up. This whole goddamn thing has been poorly managed the entire time. Carr really fucked this up when he retired when he did. Unless Michigan had a coach ready to hire, then there was no reason for him to retire when he did. The whole BS line about losing a recruiting class is crap too. So what, not becasue we have no clue who we're going to hire, our current recruits become prey to other schools and we can't recruit anyone because we have no coach. Makes tons of sense.
Sorry folks, the hopes of becoming a national power are done. The Big Ten will be Ohio State and everyone else for the foreseeable future.
Fuck.
lllllloydd carr finally got ohio state - he submarined that buffoon les miles out of the hc job. thanks a lot, lllllloyd.
I'm with Dude on this one. Our program's regression has actually accelerated.
I am only sure of one thing: I HATE FUCKIN' CBS. ALL MICHIGAN MEN UNITED -- BOYCOTT CBS!
yep, bluewolv, Michigan will now have to be pulled into reality kicking and screaming.
now the CBS bobbleheads are teeing off on tOSU.
This sounds all too familiar:
" Miles previously had denied reports that he interviewed for the LSU job, though sources had been saying he met with officials early in the week."
""This is difficult," Miles said. "This is a place that has been so important to me and my family."" (regarding Ok State)
I'm still trying to find the actual thread about what he said when asked about leaving and saying no then did.
Nobody in the AD is dumb enough to hire DeBord as HC.
I believe we've lost Miles. Fortunately there are talented others out there who I would be will be happy to coach UM. Kelly, Martin ...
Nothing about how the Miles situation played out is Michigan's fault. CBS announcers talk like Michigan should have secured a back room deal with Miles before letting Carr announce his retirement. IMHO, that's absolutely not how things should be done. Isn't that how NFL teams landed in hot water and wound up creating the Rooney rule?
Come on guys, we aren't defeatists here.
Keep the faith. Miles will STILL come to Michigan.
CBS: "Hate. Hate. Hate. Michigan. Hate. Big 10. Hate. Hate."
And the lead anchor looks like a used car salesman/child porn distributor. Creepy.
I hate to admit this but this whole ordeal is low rent, shenanigans. Since when does Michigan create a public soap opera and look so badly in doint it? We laughed when Notre Dame looked so bad in pursuing Urban Meyer and right now we look just as bad. I never thought the day would come when Michigan would be looking at option #3. No Ferent (thank god), no Miles, and here we are wondering we can get to take the job rather than fighting off applicants. It's a sobering reminder that we don't have the prestige that we used to have. I still think we can get a quality coach, but those of you that think Stoops or Rodriguez would come to Michigan are dreaming. Go Blue!
ON-FIELD PRE-GAME LSU SPORTS RADIO NETWORK INTERVIEW
Q: We're on the floor of the Georgia Dome with LSU head coach Les Miles. Coach, let's get it over with one last time. You are the head football coach at LSU right now. You will be the head football coach at next season. Right or wrong?
Les Miles: "Absolutely. I'm staying at LSU. This is a place I want to be. This is a place my family is very comforatable. This school has everything. It has an opportunity at victory and competing at the highest level. Personally, professionally, socially, we have friends here. I respect the young men that I coach. Anybody that I have signed, when I tell them I am going to be here, I was sincere. I'm the head coach at LSU and I'm going to be the head coach at LSU."
MICHIGAN - LSU. Make it happen God. I want to see the pure hatred between Lloyd and Miles.
does anybody remember a couple years ago when Roy Williams was coaching Kansas in the final four and rumors were swirling about him going to North Carolina (his alma mater)? He told a reporter "I dont give a fuck about north carolina" and announced the next week he was leaving to coach there. This means nothing.
my sources tell me rich kotite is on a plane to ann arbor as we type....stay tuned for further details.
All of you should collectively get on your knees and thank whatever higher powers that you believe that Les Miles will not be our coach.
Fuck you Les. Michigan Man my ass.
Big Jim-
Les also said this about Ok State
"This is difficult," Miles said. "This is a place that has been so important to me and my family."
We know what happened next...
JB.
Rich Kotite would be BOON! Thanks for the scoop hombre. I'll be dreaming about Rich Kotite now until it's announced. Fingers crossed for Rich Kotite!
peace out boys.
Believe me, this is the best thing that could have happened. Les is way overrated.
Please please please... let's hear some Tedford hype.
The CBS anchors are openly cheering for the SEC and calling out the Big Ten. What has this become?
If I watched any shows on CBS, I would boycott them. As is, I am just going to tell others to boycott the channel. "Grandma, no more JAG."
Latest ... HOT HOT HOT ... Ted Root will be introduced at 9 a.m. presser Monday. If you don't know who Ted Root is, you don't know college football.
lol.....not really, i was praying les miles would get the job.
go sooners!!
MillerTime:
Everything about CBS' CFB operation screams "small-time" and "overcompensation".
titleix:
Sometimes I feel like that whole Detroit auto industry mentality has infected the whole state of Michigan.
I'd like to see a lot MORE adapt, improvise, overcome, and a lot LESS "this is the way we've always done things, LOL!"
ARGH!
I have absolute confidence - ABSOLUTE, I mean, I am spending all my susbtantial credibility here (LOL) - that Miles will be interviewing with Michigan with the same liklihood of becoming the coach at Michigan today as there was yesterday.
Michigan did NOTHING, which is what they were supposed to do. Miles has done little (except maybe try to line up a replacement for Pelini whereever he ends up coaching). His beef is with ESPN and his AD.
difficult.... not ABSOLUTELY i am going to be at LSU next year.
i think it's over. fuck him. let's have a grudgematch in the citrus bowl.
Go Tennesseee. I want to see a Miles-Carr matchup...
ted root...........lol.
I was getting excited for the SEC game too. Now it's anticlimactic and I don't give a crap who wins it. Cuts the legs out from under my Saturday entertainment.
atlanta blue
let's go find les miles after the game and bitch him out for disgracing bo.
regard,ess of what us, the fans want, it seems clear that snagging Miles isn't all that high of a priority.
Meeechigan Dan - total agreement. Total.
@ Michigan Dan
Did you see Miles on CBS about 10 minutes ago? He said he will absolutely be the head coach at LSU next year.
Unless, he is being extremely technical and referring to Jan 1, 2008, I don't think he is coming to Michigan.
I am also starting to get on the Tedford bandwagon. This season was a disappointment, but wasn't this because of a QB injury. These are hard to recover from, especially when his whole gig is based on offensive scheming. I need to know more.
Can someone help me know more, since I don't really have a candidate currently (other than Stoops).
Hate fat Phil, but best thing for Michigan now is LSU getting crunched in the game, even if Les does still come.
What is CBS' basis for badmouthing Michigan right now (I'm at work and can't watch, sadly)? I still don't understand what Michigan has done wrong, other than maybe having Lloyd announce his retirement a little too early.
Go to HELL les, we don't need you.
DiNardo on BTN (take it for what it's worth) reports that LSU offered Miles an enhanced take it or leave it deal before gametime today.
My sources tell me that Ray Handley, former coach of the New York Giants, is driving to Ann Arbor right now to go for the job
What?, I don't buy it. It's at the point now where he has to assume the Michigan job is in danger. He has to play the reality of right now - he is and will be the LSU coach - very carefully.
Michigan can be squirrely and he knows that there is a faction that doesn't like him who may now be pulling the plug. I think that unlikely.
One they sit down, all that shit goes out the window and they either get it done or not based upon factors that haven't changed.
How many people still think he's coming? After he said that on CBS, do you think we want him? He knows that if he says that, it's over. It's why he's been SOOOOO vague thus far.
I smell a rat.
Either Herbsluts info is good or not.
If its good, then he ought to be drawn and quartered in the public square. releasing info like that hours before they play is self-seving at best and serves no other purpose than to sabatoge our coaching search.
if his onfo is not correct, all the above; strike self-seving and replace w/ criminal.
CBS is badmouthing Michigan because they hate the Big 10. It's the SEC network, don't you remember all their UF trolling last year?
In the few LSU games I watched this season, Miles made several questionable coaching decisions and a few outright stupid ones (e.g., time management in the Ar-KANSAS game.) He is not a great coach. At press conferences, he comes off like a doofus. I don't want a coach like that.
Maaaatt Damon
In fact, I think Les Miles is totally pissed at LSU. If the deal is to his liking after his interview with Michigan, he will jump at it. Until then, he has to be veeeeeeeeeeeeery careful and be an LSU man.
"Go to HELL les, we don't need you."
Aw c'mon. Miles has to do what's in his best interests. Remaining at LSU is the smart move -- more $, better talent, appreciative fans and "les" direct control by the AD
What about Larry Coker? He did a great job with Miami, ran an extremely clean program and he is the only one who can match Lloyd clap for clap. Also has some ties to the Midwest as he was an assistant at OSU. Go Larry!
I'm waiting for NBC (Notre Dumb Broadcasting Corporation) to jump on the anti-Michigan bandwagon on this one. CBC move over.
Scott - I know they hate Michigan, and who could forget the Florida nonsense last year. I'm just wondering exactly what it is they're saying that Michigan did wrong in this situation, or how we're at fault.
make that CBS.
This looks bleak. But we've GOT to still contact Miles and make sure he's positive that he wants to stay. Come on, Michigan's his dream job - does he really want to coach in that armpit of a state the rest of his career?
Gnarls-
Spencer Tillman keeps saying, "Michigan didn't do Les Miles any favors," implying that not only was it somebody from Michigan's side that leaked the story, but that Michigan was having back room conversations with Miles already.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Michigan went through the proper channels and asked permission, and permission was granted after the game. For Michigan to risk the hiring, NCAA sanctions, and anything else, by talking to him TWO DAYS EARLY, would be so insanely stupid I can't fathom that even Martin would do it.
This is no joke: MATT MILLEN is being interviewed, AS WE SPEAK, for the job. He will bring the M&M boys -- Mariucci, Marinelli, Martz and Morningweg to run the team. Now you know what the Block M stands for!
Found it...
If LSU coach Les Miles’ words this week sound a little familiar, there’s a reason. We’ve heard this before:
Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State: “When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU.
Read the rest of Tulsa World Sports Editor Mike Strain's blog
http://www.tulsaworld.com/webext...spx?
column_id=8
Gary Moeller -- we'll have to agree to disagree, because there are dozens of ways for Mary Sue or Lloyd to put the brakes on this without making Michigan look like buffoons. They gain nothig from that.
The easiest thing, on Mary Sue's side, would be to convince the Regents that in these difficult times we can't afford to pay (whatever number they come up with). Then the deal falls apart over money, the worold nods sagely (because Michigan is notoriously cheap) and the search goes on.
This imbroglio is the about the worst thing that can happen, on all sides.
Look... he has an agreement with LSU for an extension, we know that. He hasn't signed it. And nothing can happen on LSU's side until Dec 6. So as far as we all know, he WILL be the coach at LSU next year. That's only b/c WE haven't met with him yet. It's not over. And Miles isn't lying, he has no idea if Michigan will even offer, right?
Any word on an explanation from Herbstreit? I haven't seen him on since Gameday.
gnarls, I don't know. My guess is that they're assuming that it was a Michigan source that leaked to Herbstreit?
dudes--
they've been talking to Les ALLLLL season.
don't be naive and think that this has all gone down in a few weeks.
seriously!?
You might find this info interesting on the LSU website:
ON-FIELD PRE-GAME LSU SPORTS RADIO NETWORK INTERVIEW
Listen to the full interview in the Geaux Zone
Q: We're on the floor of the Georgia Dome with LSU head coach Les Miles. Coach, let's get it over with one last time. You are the head football coach at LSU right now. You will be the head football coach at next season. Right or wrong?
Les Miles: "Absolutely. I'm staying at LSU. This is a place I want to be. This is a place my family is very comforatable. This school has everything. It has an opportunity at victory and competing at the highest level. Personally, professionally, socially, we have friends here. I respect the young men that I coach. Anybody that I have signed, when I tell them I am going to be here, I was sincere. I'm the head coach at LSU and I'm going to be the head coach at LSU."
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArt...&
DB_OEM_ID=5200
well, there goes that. Les just said he will be the HC at LSU next year on CBS.
and to counter that this is what he said from Okie State
Found it...
If LSU coach Les Miles’ words this week sound a little familiar, there’s a reason. We’ve heard this before:
Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State: “When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU.
Read the rest of Tulsa World Sports Editor Mike Strain's blog
LARRY! LARRY! LARRY!
But Michigan's his dream job!!! It HAS to be!!!
Doesn't it?? Doesn't it??!!
fuckin' morons, y'all are.
What is CBS' basis for badmouthing Michigan right now (I'm at work and can't watch, sadly)? I still don't understand what Michigan has done wrong, other than maybe having Lloyd announce his retirement a little too early.
Gnarls Woodson | 12.01.07 - 4:02 pm |
Quite simply: it was wrong for Lloyd Carr to announce his retirement without them having an agreement with another coach already in place. Which would be (1) unethical, as it would necessitate lying to his players and conducting coaching searches behind the backs of other athletic directors, undermining them and (2)flat out impossible if you want to do a more thorough coaching search than hiring Mike Sherman after one phone call. The media would report it just as they are reporting all these other rumors.
By CBS standards, it was ethical for Auburn to try to line up Petrino a couple years ago.
JB-
I'm all for john cooper. He beat everyone including Ohio State. He is a true Michigan man, and showed it time and time again by folding during the last game of the regular season.
WOW....Big Ten Network states that Miles accepted a deal from LSU last night BEFORE any of this crap today. Also, DiNardo states that Miles NEVER spoke to Michigan about the head coaching job, that Michigan only asked permission.
I can see why Les was so furious during the press conference. That leak was COMPLETELY false, and he took the LSU offer yesterday specifically in order to save his players from all the distraction today.
From an Ohio State fan...this whole Miles to Michigan things seems like it was just a pub-machine created entity.
Herbstreit is just another idiot from OSU. Way to go Captain Kirk. Moron.
sound bite before the SEC Championship Game:
Miles: I am LSU's coach and I will be next yr.
Reporter: You will be next yr?
Miles: Yes.
So what felt worse, this, or App State?
We have to hope LSU beats Tenn now, otherwise Michigan is going to get blamed for the loss.
Even though it seems like he's definitely staying, I'm still hoping and can hear it now "At that time, I believed I was staying."
from a Michigan fan...it was a former Buckeye who started this whole mess in the first place.
I want some analysis from Brian on the coaching options, not just him wringing his hands as more les miles rumors are revealed.
As far as he knows at this time. He hasn't been offered any other jobs yet.
Some of you guys so quick to fall over are as faint of heart as the French. Vous aurez des tribulations dans le coaching search; mais prenez courage!
If Miles is definitely staying at LSU, why wouldn't he just say so, and really pump up his team?
I think Miles will talk to Martin before the night is over, and I have yet to hear anything to cause me to think otherwise.
This whole thing would have been defused much quicker and quieter if it was the Michigan athletic department issuing the denial. After the report came out this morning, a simple, "We have not finished interviewing, we have not made a decision, and we certainly have not made an offer," from Martin would have rendered the Miles presser, the talk of the extension from LSU, and the whole current clusterfuck unnecessary and useless.
I think it's stupid of the Michigan AD to force Miles and LSU into this position by its silence when a simple denial on their side would have shut everybody up.
Les Miles to CBS reporter: "I will be the head coach at LSU next year."
CBS reporter to Miles: "You will be the head coach at LSU next year?"
Miles to CBS reporter: "Absolutely."
wow lsu onside kick to start the sec title game.
@ geaux
You just used the word ya'll. Therefore, you are a waste of space and a retard. We'll take our federal funding back now.
Not really, an "insider source" gave him this information. Someone on the search committee gave false info.
Everyone knows the contraction is y'all.
All I am rooting for this year in the bowl season is for the SEC to be exposed.
It's been said before but:
Miss. State has a winning record (only ooc game was not even close)
Bama lost to UL Monroe and Florida State
Tenn. exposed against California (7th out of 10 in the pac ten)
Auburn loses at home to 4th place team in the Big East
South Carolina lost it's only out of conference game. (the the 5th team in the ACC - in total record),
What has this conference done, other than sign a good deal with CBS. Florida won impressively last year. Then they lost a good portion of the team. Spread the word.
The only way this makes sense is if Les Miles has no real desire to coach at Michigan. If you believe he wants to coach Michigan and badly, then no amount of this leak/denial/leak crap changes that. You still have a phone call coming tomorrow morning.
At that point, the power is in Les's hands. I am disturbed he was, for the first time, definitive in that interview above, but I would guess he is spooked that Michigan might not come calling and playing it safe.
This is not the end of the world. Miles is a good motivator and great recruiter. He is not Bill Walsh as an offensive mind, Bill Belichick as a defensive mind, Bo Schembechler as a motivator wearing Bear Bryant's hat.
I think Bertman really wanted to keep him and offerred himm ungodly money. Good for him.
As for CBS, I haven't watched them with the sound on since Danielson tongue bathed Meyer's privates last year.
Why is everyone shocked by what Les Miles says now?
You really think that he'll go, 'Oh yeah, I'm planning to talk to Michigan on Monday.'
You won't know until December 6th, even though you can argue that Miles can still finagle his way out of that extension later on anyway.
But still, what he said on the LSU radio show was either just Tiger-ganda just to reassure his team or a solid Michigan diss.
Eh, I meant to write y'all. I still want my tax dollars back.
Another question is how will LSU's fans, boosters, et al. react to the so-called "sweatheart deal" to keep Miles by LSU's AD if they don't win the SECCG today?
MDan, i'm w/ you...today was a net sum of ZERO:
9am: ESPN says Miles + tenuta to Mich. +1
11am: Carty + DEtnews says miles to LSU deal is not contract confirmes at presser. -1
2pm: no confirmed contract at presser. miles says nothing of consequence. 'i speak for myself' +ZERO
the bottom line is that A) this was a heck of a crazy day, B) we're essentially in the same spot as we were 24 hrs ago.
Nothing says "it's over" any clearer than Miles calling an onside kick to start the game. That says it all, IMO. That's precisely what I meant when i was saying that Miles is too big for UM.
Someone needs to alert people in the old threads when a new post comes up, I've been suck below for an hour.
"next year" just means a BCS bowl. technically, that's not lying.
Honestly, after all of this, I am exhausted. I can't recall when I was more undecided about how I wanted a game to turn out than this one (SECCG).
ARE YOU GUYS NOT WATCHING THE GAME!?!
MILES JUST SAID HE WOULD BE AT LSU NEXT YEAR
IT'S OVER!!!!!
He said it at the begining of the game
She asked him, will you be here next year and he said, yes I will be the coach!
Unless he's nick saban its all over
Lets move on...
11am: Carty + DEtnews says miles to LSU deal is done w/ contract confirmes at presser. -1
Go vols! les is a bum, they were supposed to win the national championship but will fail to win their conference.
Jetemy, it's been discussed to death. Read the thread.
Wouldn't it be interesting if this game were to be decided by a Les Miles coaching decision?
touchdown
Craig,
I agree, I really don't know who to root for, if miles pulled an OSU and said "FUCK MICHIGAN," then I want Rocky Top to win, but if he is still interested go tigers!
Fatass Phil Fool-mer seems to have a pretty good game plan so far... Can't same the same for Bo "One foot out the door, but I did beat Sparty in the Alamo Bowl as interim head coach" Pelini.
then why are we still talking about him still coming?
are the people in here not all up on this?
SO...who's next
and go Tennessee
TD Tennessee. Go vols.
im out. I'll be back after the game to see if there is any new news. "Les Miles signs extension deal at halftime"
I came down to Bama for grad school...As a Bama student, I HATE Tennessee. I'm rooting for the Vols today. LSU is going to look mighty dumb paying Miles crazy money if they lose to Tennessee today. HA!
Jeremy, read. It's all there.
I was as big a proponent of Les coming to AA as anyone, but I'm honestly not sure how I'd feel if he threw everything to the wind and said he was coming here after all.
I just saw LSU get skinned on a read option (from spread formation) by a mobile QB and a DB get a serious case of gator arms to allow a UT TD pass on the same drive.
Tennessee's not this good...or am I missing something?
**Craig**
Why do you say he might still be interested?
did you not hear him...
He's said it himself, he'll be at LSU
HE SAID THAT AT OKIE STATE TOO!!!
Read the thread.
Dear Sparty,
Enjoy your bus ride to Ford Field, Little Brother.
Brian - how about some analysis on the remaining coaching candidates? Renew the Profiles in Coaching series.
I hope Martin has wiped the egg off his face and has started making some calls to
1. Urban Meyer
2. Gary Pinkel
3. Brian Kelly
Officially, Michigan hasn't even talked to Miles so I don't see this as a complete PR fiasco.
Besides, if Miles didn't have the Michigan background, would people still be having this hissy about him not coming here? I don't think so.
There are plenty of good coaches out there BM and the committee just need to get of their asses and work at it.
I like Brian Kelly. Here are some others. Thoughts?
Jeff Tedford
Jim Grobe
Gary Pinkel
Chris Peterson
Bobby Petrino
Butch Davis
Urban Meyer
Tyrone Willingham
June Jones
Dan Hawkins
Some of these names are out there but the world is not over people. It better not be Debord though. I'll cancel my tickets then. Ugh!
No love for Larry Coker? I say we get good old Uncle Fester on the phone.
Blast32 what do you think of the B.Kelley as head coach and Chuck Martin as Defensive Coordinator?
I've watched a couple of minutes of the SECCG and find it hard to believe that Nebraska wants Bo Pellini and we want Les Miles. I seriously don't think you guys understand the meaning of a Michigan Man! Here's a clue though it has nothing to do with graduating or playing for the school.
Jeremy-I mean a decision on the field, not off of it.
"You just used the word ya'll. Therefore, you are a waste of space and a retard. We'll take our federal funding back now."
Relax asshole, and dont be so judgmental.
I'm from MI (5th generation) and live in the south now; sometimes I say y'all as well. It's a useful (albeit grammatically incorrect) contraction that is well understood by the populace . As they say, when in Rome.....
Les Miles to CBS reporter: "I will be the head coach at LSU next year."
CBS reporter to Miles: "You will be the head coach at LSU next year?"
Miles to CBS reporter: "Absolutely."
January 1, 2008 is next year. If Miles coaches LSU in their bowl game, he's coaching LSU "next year." That doesn't rule out Miles coaching Michigan next year. A long shot, I know, but at this point I'll take long shots if only because I'm not as high on any of the other potential candidates.
I only wonder if Miles will regret this decision on his death bed.
Let's add this all up:
1. LSU grants UM permission to talk to Miles after SEC Championship.
2. According to all sources UM has no direct contact w. Miles.
3. Herbstreit opens yap prior to SEC Championship. Says Miles and Tenuta are a done deal at UM.
4. Miles denies report. Calls it misinformation.
5. LSU Chancellor announces agreement with Miles via agent. Terms of new deal agreed upon but deal is not signed.
RESULT: WTF? Miles is an a-hole. Bill Martin is an a-hole. ESPN isn't the journalistic paragon I assumed it to be. LSU is playing us. DeBord is f#$*ing us! LSU is getting played. Rich Rodriguez made this all happen.
In other words, chaos.
Now let's subtract the one bit of information released that isn't directly from UM, LSU or Miles: KHerb's leaky scoop o' poop.
1. LSU grants UM permission to talk to Miles after SEC Championship.
2. According to all sources UM has no direct contact w. Miles.
3. LSU makes sweetened offer to preempt Miles leaving. Miles agrees in principle via agent but no deal is signed and no public statement is made.
RESULT: UM wants Miles but so does LSU. He'll have a tough decision to make.
Bottom line is chaos is better for the media, but not for truth. That's because today's media, especially the sports media, is about content creation. It simply doesn't fill enough news cycles just to report known facts.
Think about it. Herbie's report created at least three actual news events: MIles' response, LSU's response and UM's response. Not to mention rampant speculation by "experts" like Robert Smith and Doug Flutie. That's way better for ESPN et al than Herbie saying "It's a toss up. UM wants Miles but so does LSU. I guess we'll have to wait and see."
All of this bs aside, I find it almost impossible to root for TN in those God-awful all-orange uniforms.
The only thing we know is, it will be one helluva comfortable death bed. LSU plays to win. They pay accordingly.
Hard to blame Miles too much here.
You know the guy that preceded you at your 'dream job' is opposed to your hiring and will still be in the AD.
Your current employers are throwing a hell of a lot of cash at you to stay.
Laughably, your dream job's administration hasn't even talked to you or your agent yet.
Smart move is to stay, even if it means abandoning your dream.
Martin, Carr, Coleman, whoever is behind this mess...well, congrats. Michigan can stay mired in mediocrity and tout the values of academics (while graduating half your players) and integrity (whatever the hell that means anymore).
Fuck it all.
Can we agree on something?
Never say the name Mike DeBoard again!
serious people-MDB is not going to be the next coach.
It will not happen, so stop it!
drop it
move on
EXACTLY. Truth hurts, but we're still michigan.
Michigan kept silent because to say otherwise would have been LYING.
Good riddance Les.
@ Craig-
Makes it easier on the fans. They can wear it to the ballgame on Saturday, wear it out huntin' on Sunday, then wear it back working the prison road crew on Monday.
Apologies to everybody who's heard that before.
Jacob Hester = Rob Lytle.
I don't understand the backlash toward Miles? Miles hasn't done anything wrong. As far as we know, no one has been offered the HC position at Michigan. Miles likely really hasn't spoken to anyone yet.
Right now, Les Miles has a contract with LSU and probably no other job offers. Would it have been better if, rather than saying he would be back next year, he said, "Right now, I have a contract with LSU and no other job offers"? That would've been quite a response.
So far, all we've done is request permission to contact him. We'll interview him tomorrow or Monday. Les hasn't done anything wrong here though, and Michigan hasn't either. ESPN screwed up, and the LSU AD pissed off Les by saying a little too much.
BLee, some things never get old...much like Rick Astley tunes (see last thread)
I'm going to hold my nose and say it:
COME ON, ROCKY TOP!
An LSU loss will cause its inbred idiot fans to call for Miles's head. Les will hear that and think, "What do I need this crap for?"
Danielson: "This is where Matt Flynn is going to be missed; third and long."
Ummm, not sure if you've been watching this year, but Matt Flynn sucks. Seriously.
@Chris
I am at least proud we have an AD with a code of ethics. Martin stood by his promise to not contact Les until after the SEC-CG, which may have been his fatal mistake. I am glad we do not have an administration that pulls behind the scenes negotiations and money grabs.
I agree with everyone that says UM and Bill Martin have handled this correctly. They have only been public about interviewing DeBord and English. Outside of that, they haven't publicized anything. Even the request to speak with Miles was announced by the LSU AD. Martin's done everything above board and has tried to be classy about the whole thing. If Miles isn't coming, then fine, let's move on. But don't say Michigan is being classless or going through the process the wrong way.
On the other hand, I really don't want him if he can't beat Phil Fulmer (never could, never will add the -ip)
\Makes it easier on the fans. They can wear it to the ballgame on Saturday, wear it out huntin' on Sunday, then wear it back working the prison road crew on Monday.//
Now that's funny, I don't care who y'are...that's FUNNY, right there!
PS: That works for Clemson, too.
I do have a question about Martin and the way he's handled this. Why did he have to ask LSU for permission to speak with Miles the week of the SEC Championship game? Obviously even if LSU said yes, they were going to request that he wait until after the game was played. So why not just wait until Sunday to make the initial outreach?
Ryan Perrilloux is the truth.
foofery is a funny word. any reference i could find to it was a blog titled "whole lot of nothin'." that i found ironic.
I was on the mgoblue site and there was an LSU poster that said Miles was going to Michigan but he was required to keep the Michigan staff so he said screw you.
Has anyone else heard or read that.
I agree TX, I don't think there was any obligation on BM to say anything today, especially to unsubstantiated reporting. He is doing exactly what he said he would do, wait until after the SECCG to contact Miles. If Miles doesn't come, he doesn't come. But so far no one from the university looks bad. I sincerely hope it stays that way. Are you hearing me Desmond??!!...
Jeez, I go out for a few hours and WTF!!!!!????!!!!
If this turns out to be true (MIles staying at LSU) then at least we know that money IS really all he cares about.
On the bright side a lot more drama and plane tracking on the way.
I just don't see why people are taking this Les thing so hard.
The sun doesn't rise and set in his pants.
Keep Moving Forward!
I have 3 questions for the audience:
1. Is it possible that either Lloyd or one of the "lloydies" leaked the M deal is done on purpose to Herbstreit to blow the deal up and force Miles to deny 2 hours before the SEC championship? That would show more intelligence and strategy than Lloyd has shown in a long time, but a curious question.
2. Why would Miles agree to a deal with LSU before talking to Michigan? He could play both sides and get a better deal and keep his options open if he waited. Why would he decide now? If he is smart, he would not, which might mean he did not.
3. How long are we going to let Lloyd and the Lloydies screw up our program? He has done enough damage this year, why let him ruin the future? Cmon...does anyone really think Kirk Ferentz has any positive impact? He is the Lloydies choice. I say, give Lloyd a gold watch and buy him a condo in Florida and get him the hell out of Fort Schembechler.
Maybe wishful thinking, but I want to believe this is not over. Miles is the guy to restore some passion in this program and we should pull out the stops to get him!
\Matt Flynn sucks.//
Today Matt Ryan does, as well.
@tool
I never heard anything about that. I would assume Martin would let Les form his own staff similar to when he hired Beilein.
i say we go for bill cowher. i'd love to see his chin under a michigan hat!
I can't believe that Lloyd is that cunning. I tried to believe, but I just can't do it. Not after watching the UM-OSU game this year.
Hey Sparty:
What felt worse? This year's loss to us, or the five before it... in a row...
Eat yourself, your mouth is big enough.
Blue in A2, Lloyd sucks it doesn't suprise me he is still a screw up.
He'll haunt Michigan fans for a long time if there are any Michigan fans left after this.
No NFL retread is gonna coach UM.
Please, no NFL coaches. Pete Carroll is the exception, not the rule.
No way Lloyd would blow it up in this way. He may not like Les, but he's still the man that he is...in other words, he's not going to do something completely classless like that to undermine a decision. Lloyd would voice his concern to Martin, but would never use the media like that. Completely out of the question.
Losing out on Miles will only increase pressure to make a splashy hire.
"The sun doesn't rise and set in his pants."
But his Lesticles are actually planetary bodies that move through the nighttime sky. Haven't you ever seen the diagrams of the constellation Sigma Lesticulus?
I'm with sideburns
-no nfl guys, please.
Musket, there's a reason no one responded to Sparty. Most realize that MSU no longer even deserves to pull up a chair to the discussion table regarding anything to do with college football. They've lost all credibility.
I really hope that the LSU posting is not true that M made it a requirement to keep the staff. I would not come either under those conditions. Would any of us risk our job on Mike Debord's prehistoric offense? I shouldn't be so hard on him, that offense did win 3 games at CMU!
I live in DC and have a friend who works at ABC News, which is owned by the same parent company as ESPN. I called her and asked "WTF?" She works in the News division so she didn't know, but said she'd check around and get back to me.
She called at 3:30 to tell me that everyone at ESPN is going batshit. A screw up of this magnitude is indescribable. GameDay is one of their most highly rated shows and Herbstriet is one of their rising stars. This can be career ending for the people involved. They felt they had the story. They ran with it. Their source was on the Michigan side, not the LSU side. It came from "the highest levels of the football program."
Folks, Herbstriet is no fool. This is a big deal. We either screwed this up royally, or it was deliberately sabatgoged.
Thats BS.
The Lloyd conspiracy theory is fun, but unrealistic. Unless Debord is announced as the next head coach.
Is it just me, or does LSU's defense suck?
Aaaaaaand we're back to NOT having Les Miles come to Michigan. Ok, fine.
Best of luck to you, Les. Apparently this wasn't your dream job. And because of that, you weren't our dream coach. There has to be mutual interest, otherwise there will be NO interest.
And as much as I loved Les Miles, I think everybody should calm down. There are other fish in the sea, and provided we ignore the fish labelled "Ferentz" and "DeBord," then I think we'll be ok. At the very least, I suspect there are coaches out there that actually want the Michigan job, as opposed to Les who, you know, kindasorta wanted the job.
One more time: fuck CBS and fuck Spence Tillman for trying to blame Michigan for whatever the hell it is that Michigan supposedly did (CBS and Tillman never said). And does anyone at ESPN want to have Herbstreit explain his story?
According to LSU, they hammered out this extension with Les Miles' agent last night. Yet this morning Herbstreit reports Miles is going to Michigan. Okay, so Herbstreit got it wrong, and his source gave him bad info.
Now I know we live in weird times when it comes to "journalist ethics," but generally when a reporter gets rolled by a source (and how could Herbstreit have NOT been rolled if he got it this wrong?), the journalism is allowed to "out" the source.
Oh, Herby? Who was it, Herby? Who fed you the bullshit? I would love for ESPN to explain how they got this so wrong.
looks like Bo Pelini is going out with a bang...
Boobery. What mess...
I don't think it's total BS. It sounds remarkably plausible.
hahaha Lesticles huh? Nice!
What's Mark Mangino then? The big Mangina
I don't understand why UM's athletic department gets the blame for this mess. I think they did the classy thing by letting Miles coach the SECCG and then plan on talking to him. I don't think it was a matter of Michigan not wanting him and that is why they never called him. It was a matter of letting him finish his job, then speaking w/ him. Michigan never created this "distraction."
Do people really think Herbstreit had an ulterior motive for making that announcement this morning? Honestly, I almost spit out my coffee when he said that. My prediction was Monday, latest Wednesday before anything at all would be announced.
I'm betting the source has a little statue of a stiff-arming guy....
If we can't get Miles, I'm all for Brian Kelly or bust.
This has Lloyd Carr written all over it. He was an asshole as a coach and he's an asshole now that's he's retired. Shit it's also partly because of ESPN. Miles wouldn't have had all that pressure on him had they just kept their mouths shut and now let the LSU team know. Can you imagine how the guys on that team felt pregame towards Miles? If that were me I'd be God damned pissed. Michigan shouldn't have spread all those rumors. I bet that's exactly what Carr wanted. Now we'll never get Miles. Not now, and not after they fire Debord for a 4-8 season. Michigan can finally play at Notre Dame's new level. I resign as a Michigan fan. Go Spartans. At least they're building a program.
does LSU's defense suck?
Not as bad as BC's offense. Seiously.
If he can't beat Phil Fool-mer I don't want him.
Plenty of fish in the sea...
No kidding, Johnny. I thought they were hyped but not this much hype.
Why do we (Michigan) get in the way of ourselves?
wow, TN gave up 1500 yards in their 3 losses??!! Now THAT'S a statistic!
@dcdave
"The highest levels of the Michigan program"? Could it be a "LLoydie"?
It would not be hard to predict that Miles would go nuts if they announced it 2 hours before gametime. Great way to blow up the hire. I guarantee there are people in Fort Schembechler trying to find a way to derail Miles. All the more reason we should still go after him.
Herbstreit went to tOSU, right? I've never liked that clown anyway.
If Michigan had some big brass ones, Martin would call North Carolina and talk to Butch Davis.
Anyone blaming Coach Carr for this should wake up to cash reality. LSU backed up a dump truck of money before Michigan even TALKED to the guy... in the end money talks and Miles has got it pretty sweet there. Loads to talent. Financial appreciation. And success.
No doubt UM talked to Miles thru an intermediary. That way each side can deny having talked directly to the other one.
Anyway, the way Miles is handling/has handled this has made my opinion of him drop considerably. If he's staying (as ESPN is reporting now) then why hasn't he gone ahead and outright said it?...It seems it's because he's a major league dumbass/asshole/redneck fuck up. Hopefully the way it seems to me is just wrong and it will all look hunky-dory when the whole story comes out.
Butch davis just signed an extension - he's a good coach but there are much better options out there.
After all is said and done, I can't wait to see what dirt Brian is going to dig up about this mess...should rival any tabloid fodder...
I think this whole crazy episode is going to enter the curriculum of J-Schools everywhere: Rumor-Mongering 101: Unverified Voracity Ain't the Same As Veracity
Apparently you put on orange pants and suddenly you can't tackle. I did not know that.
If anyone honestly believes that Lloyd Carr was somehow involved in all of this, is an "asshole," and wanted to somehow sabotage or harm the University of Michigan in any way, they have absolutely no idea who Lloyd Carr or what it is he stands for.
Go Vols
Re: Herbstreit
Herbie's Insider: "Les Miles is a done deal (as far as the administration's decision). He's flying up Monday or Tuesday (to interview)."
How big a jump is it to this:
"Les Miles is a done deal (the deal is done). He's flying up Monday or Tuesday (to sign the contract)."
I'm just thinking out loud as to how ESPN could have fucked this up so royally.
And, boy is it going to be a long day for the Ducks.
Why no talk of Dorrell, Nehuesial, or Barnett? They seem like pretty good options.
Fuck Lloyd Carr
JHS - How could you leave Callahan off your list?!?
"Why no talk of Dorrell, Nehuesial, or Barnett? They seem like pretty good options."
You're kidding, right?
Does anyone believe the business about requiring Miles to keep current staff members? I have not been a big Miles supporter, but if that's the case, I sure don't blame him. And if it's true, we've got much bigger problems than I ever dreamed......
If there is one thing I have learned... nothing is done until the deed is signed. High chance Miles is not our coach, but Roy Williams said the same thing about North Carolina... Saban said the same things about both the Dolphins and Bama... I don't know. We shall see.
@Gnarls
Sorry i forgot about Callahan, Franchione and ted roof!
Gnarls-Personally, I don't think Lloyd had anything to do with the current situation, but if Miles doesn't end up here, I will not be able to help but believe that he was involved in some way.
Fuck Lloyd Carr
TOOL2112 | 12.01.07 - 4:49 pm | #
"TOOL" couldn't possibly be a more appropriate name.
Anyway, I think going after Kirk Ferentz was an IDIOTIC move. He was a mediocre coach and what Lloyd wanted. Les was probably pissed that Ferentz, a mediocre coach was M's first choice and not him who really liked to be M's head coach.
The fact that Les didn't deny it until the ESPN report came out suggests one of two things is true:
1) Les whored out for the money - agreed to a deal last night that made up his mind
OR
2) Bill Martin submarined this on purpose to get public support for whomever he chooses now. Les was pushed away.
I'm inclined to number two, which pisses me off. Any coach we get will be a bad choice until he proves good as far as I'm concerned, because I've lost trust in the people making the decision. Tactically and as men (and 1 woman), they're out in my mind.
it's over...anyone thinking otherwise is in pure denial. He said point blank that he will be at LSU next year....absolutely. Nothing posted from his days at OSU so far has shown that he said anything nearly as definitive when he bolted to LSU. He's pretty much boxed himself in a corner here credibility-wise when he said that he'll be coach at LSU next year...maybe that wasn't what he wanted, maybe LSU totally boxed him into it....all I remember was that the LSU AD said that they'll "...do whatever it takes to keep him...." some time ago...and it looks like they did.
One more time in case you missed it!
Here is the final word:
Read it and bring on the new guy
Q: We're on the floor of the Georgia Dome with LSU head coach Les Miles. Coach, let's get it over with one last time. You are the head football coach at LSU right now. You will be the head football coach at next season. Right or wrong?
Les Miles: "Absolutely. I'm staying at LSU. This is a place I want to be. This is a place my family is very comforatable. This school has everything. It has an opportunity at victory and competing at the highest level. Personally, professionally, socially, we have friends here. I respect the young men that I coach. Anybody that I have signed, when I tell them I am going to be here, I was sincere. I'm the head coach at LSU and I'm going to be the head coach at LSU."
Bill it's seems like it's BS that Miles has to keep Carr's staff but that sure sounds like Michigan to me.
Who knows.
Again, ESPN would not lead their show with the news based on a misunderstood, innocuous comment from a second tier source. It's a news organization, not a blog. People lose their jobs cause of stuff like this.
And anybody who doesn't think Lloyd Carr is a good bureauratic infighter does not know what it takes to be a successful college coach.
Jeremy, thanks for the transcript.
Les Miles no longer seems like a fuck up, he is a fuck up.
"If anyone honestly believes that Lloyd Carr was somehow involved in all of this, is an "asshole," and wanted to somehow sabotage or harm the University of Michigan in any way, they have absolutely no idea who Lloyd Carr or what it is he stands for."
He doesn't wanna harm the University of Michigan. He's just an asshole who doesn't want himself to look bad after Miles turns the program around, fires all his coaches, whom he hired because they were his good friends, and wins a national championship. Carr doesn't like Miles. He wants the new head coach to be his friend too. And Carr is an asshole, and a worse than mediocre coach. He has much less class than anyone made him out to have after his retirement. A true coach with class and talent would be Jim Tressel. I wish Michigan could have gotten him. And yes, I'm a Michigan fan. But I envy those Buckeyes like no other.
Is it possible that he agreed to an extension but still has the option to talk to Michiga? In other words he has an extension IF he does not accept the Michigan job. That would be smart of Miles to get LSU to commit in writing to their deal with him before the SECCG. He has their deal in hand, and uses it to negotiate with Michigan? The Dec 6th date gives him time to see what Michigan wants to do. I don't know why he would agree to anything with LSU without playing the "Michigan offered me the job card". If Miles (or his agent) are smart, they would not have agreed to anything with LSU unless they had an offer from Michigan because it gives him maximum negotiating power. If true this means either: a) he had a M offer and leveraged it with LSU or b) he has conceptually agreed to a deal with LSU but intends to still talk to M.
And did you read he said the exact same thing at Okie State, and even signed a December contract extension? And yet he ended up at LSU.
I think we just need to wait and see how this plays out this time.
"2. Why would Miles agree to a deal with LSU before talking to Michigan?"
$.
when he asked if he could talk with MI, he was holdinjg up LSU for BIG money. it worked.
Lloyd may not be actively attempting to sabotage the coaching transition, but I defintiely believe his decision to announce his retirement at the time he did forced everyone else's hand and put the Michigan AD at a disadvantage they wouldn't have otherwise.
For that he IS an asshole, clearly.
Gnarls I hope they hire Debord just for you. Get your excuse book out again.
I just wish the truth would come out. Who did what and when.
Anyone who bitched about the dropoff from Henne ( 4 year starter) to Mallett (true frosh) should watch Oregon right now. Dixon and Leaf are both 5th year seniors, Leaf makes Mallett look poised.
Who was it last week that was defending leaf on here? Did you see him fail to score on a UCLA team that ND beat!?!11111!
@ Bill
I cannot imagine that Michigan would jeopardize the hire of the man they expect to lead their program for the next 20 years by requiring that he keep the current assistants. With the latitude that the AD has given Carr in all facets of the program, I cannot believe that they would immediately tighten the reins for the next guy.
Doesn't mean that it didn't or wouldn't happen, but it would be monumentally stupid of the AD to show that little faith in a potential head coaching hire, especially one that already has a great fallback option.
http://info.detnews.com/
redesign...FTOKEN=59871294
that is crazy.
CBS, just said that F-ING GameDay was the reason he has to address the issue
Other than the buyout clause, where did we even get the impression that Michigan was Miles dream job? Just because he's an alum? Did he ever go on record as saying that?
I'm wondering if his intent was to use Michigan all along just to get the big bucks out of LSU.
This is sweet. Reminds me of how I played those suckers in South Bend.
The only reason that I would interview for the job as head wrangler for the Possum Brigade is to fatten my paycheck down here in sunny Florida.
You guys gotta get real: DeBored is your coach now, so embrace the suck.
I wasn't aware of this story until I switched on Army-Navy in time to hear a rant from the CBS guys about some TERRIBLE thing Michigan did. Having read all the stories now, I just wanted to post that it seems like UM is handling this totally appropriately. Is the CBS coverage always that obviously slanted?
You guys need a coach, and you'll get a great one I'm sure. Unfortunately for Irish fans. I just hope that your AD stays patient and doesn't worry about saving face. Miles would probably be a great coach, but there are way too many coaches who are doing well and seemed to come from nowhere.
Lastly, it's just my opinion that Lloyd Carr was a great coach and a great man for college football. UM fans should be proud of his tenure.
Be Careful Jim, I think half of Lloyd's family is on here.
Wow, so far the Lesticle has only managed 2 FGs in the SECCG...
...sound familiar to anyone?
TOOL (ha!), I wanted Carr out as coach, and I've certainly never advocated for DeBord. I was (and am) a big Miles fan. My point was only that Carr, despite his shortcomings as a coach, is a good man, and wouldn't try and submarine the program in any way. It's not like he was forced out. He was ASKED to come back for another year.
I don't want a Saban-esque lair as UM's HC. Fuck Miles. A simple "No comment, I gotta game to win." would've handled that question on the field. Instead he outright lies. If he wanted to be the coach at UM he could've had it, instead he uses it for leverage. Fuck him.
I don't know if this has been said, but rumors are that Miles wanted to come to Michigan, but the athletic department made a stipulation that he had to keep Debord and English as his coordinators and that's what made the deal fall through.
I'm sorry, but this has Lloyd's fingerprints on it. Lloyd's faction appears to have won out or at least forced Martin into making only halfhearted overtures while LSU blew wet kisses.
I seriously doubt that a condition of taking the Michigan job would be retaining any of the staff. I don't think Martin is that stupid; he knows that no coach of any caliber will come here with that proviso. Besides which, there would be no reason for Carr to have negotiated two-year contracts for his staff, running through next season; that was done to protect them in case a new coach did not retain them.
Besides, If Martin stuck that provision in, then he would seriously jeopardize the stadium expansion because big donors would be mighty pissed. The big donors are all very successful bidness folks, and they all understand how these things work; none of them would take a job like this with a restriction of not being able to put your own people in.
If that was the case why the GT DC rumor that Herbie reported.
Miles got pressure from LSU to make a decision and crumbled. Not a Bo type of move coach.
@Jim
"A true coach with class and talent would be Jim Tressel. "
I wish our coach had enough class to recruit such character guys as Mo Clarret, Troy Smith, Santonio Holmes, and Robert Reynolds (to name a few).
I really think the leak came from the UM side....Herbstreit's exact words on gameday was "...a source close to the situation in Ann Arbor..."
ish, Wow.
Oh yeah. I don't want Miles now. If they do hire him I'll be pissed because he was such an ass about it.
CBS, just said that F-ING GameDay was the reason he has to address the issue
And how is that Michigan's fault? I hate CBS and I hate Spencer Tillman.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the Lloydies. Remember that he convienced BM to give them all 2 year deals. If BM is so smart, why did he agree to that if he knew that Lloyd was leaving? Also, remember Lloyd obviously thinks the world of them to the point of pushing dumb ass Debord as the next HC. Lloyd is blinded by his relationship with these bufoons and Martin thinks LC is a genius. Why else would he say "I want someone just like LC"? Give me a break. Lloyd retired and quit coaching a year ago and just waited until now to admit it. Martin has a lot to prove.
My point was only that Carr, despite his shortcomings as a coach, is a good man, and wouldn't try and submarine the program in any way.
It's not that Carr wants to sabotage the *program*. He just doesn't Miles to be the coach. He'll endorse Ferentz or other candidates, just not Miles. This wouldn't be problematic if Miles weren't the best available candidate. Sigh.
Other Chris-
Thank you. What he said in that sideline interview on CBS was absolutely no different than what he said in the press conference while still at Okie State.
I never thought I'd hate a network as much as Notre Dumb BC but CBS has really, really closed the gap today. Spencer Tillman is truly a jackass.
I don't put ANY stock in the entirely made up rumor that a condition of hiring Miles was a retention of the old staff. That makes no sense, and doesn't sound like Bill Martin.
Bill in Birmingham:
I'm not surprised that the requirement current staff be kept was floated.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think Michigan seriously planned to pay them a year's worth of salary while they did whatever they wanted with their time.
If this turns out to be true and we wind up with DeBord as the new HC then Michigan football as we knew it is basically dead.
Doesn't matter where the leak came from. This was Miles job if he wanted it. He is taking the $$$ over the job or he's lying on national TV. Fuck Miles and Wangler.
Does anyone think that the source close to the situation could be Desmond who is on the freaking search committee?
I would of been fine with Miles, But NOT anymore, he said No himself, thus he's out! thats it, that simple.
No Nick Saban action!
So, whos next
Desmond has been mentioned before in the thread and yes.
The story that ish posted makes a lot of sense to me. Why would you go to work somewhere if it is obvious that the people you will be directly working with really don't like you, and may not have your best interests at heart.
He seems to have full support from LSU, and that is much better than an angry Lloyd Carr scowling at you from across the room all day.
How much do we believe that Foster article "ish" just posted? Because that is crazy, changes lots.
Just a question from an outside observer, is Michigan willing to pay close to 3 million a year for a top level football coach? If not, why?
KBlow,
What did Wangler do to offend you? Curious.
It is known that Lloyd had angry ol' Bo scowling at him across the hall...It is pretty well known that Bo and Lloyd had more than a few disagreements on Lloyd's direction of the program
surely if Lloyd was scowling, Les would inform him "I am the HEAD coach!"
Believe me, UM is better off without this clown, as I've said all along. He can't go through a season without losing at least two games, he can't go through a game without being outcoached, and he can't go through a press conference without cursing or otherwise making it painfully obvious that he's not very smart.
yeah like lloyd winning a NC an Bo not!!!! Like using the passing game and Bo not!!!!
BDub-
I agree and I think if it's true it's very childish. Why put the best interests of the program to the side just to remain loyal to the old HC who's techniques were not producing great wins throughout the season.
If this is the case, I really have no respect for Lloyd or any of the coaching staff anymore.
Better to go 4-9 than have a winning season because you dislike someone? Thats real nice.
Hey Brian,
Remember that time that you unnecessarily lambasted Jordan Acker for his sources? Well, look where your "sources" and speculation got you. You picked apart another blogger or writer or whatever Acker is and now you have juevos on your face.
@Bill
Wangler was spreading that BS about UM being Miles dream job,that money wouldn't be a deal breaker, etc. Essentially he just helped his BFF score major cash by helping him play Michigan.
These are all smokescreens. Can't you people see this?
He hasn't signed anything!
Harbaugh Scramble--UM has had its fair share of legal/disciplinary problems with its players (Manningham and Arrington, just to name two from the past year), not just OSU.
He can't go through a season without losing at least two games, he can't go through a game without being outcoached,
Are you kidding me???? Look who we had as a coach for the last 13 years!! I'd take 2 times a year, that would be an upgrade. Seriously
Bill Martin trusts Carr's judgment and hence feels the need to have him involved. I strongly disagree, because Carr in my opinion does not deserve that respect. He is no Bo. So what Martin should have done was to give Carr a major yet useless post in the AD like some BS associate AD of football operations. Just collect paychecks and talk to donors once in a while. Instead MArtin seems to be leaning on Carr for making important decisions and this is adversely affecting our program!! He needs to quit listening to LLoyd and focus on doing what's right for the program!!
Bloggers will be bloggers
Anon,
I agree with some of your opinions about Miles. However, I'm getting concerned that this was a major institutional CF.
I said I'd stay away from the board when it was looking like Les, but this such a great day for UM football I couldn't resist. Just heard Lou Holtz and Mark May discussing Brian Kelly as a leading candidate for the UM job and I got more excited than I've been in weeks since this all began.
This would be the greatest hire for a program that has been so frickin' boring to watch for the past 25 years that I'm so excited by the possibility I can hardly stand it.
For all you who said, "Oh Brian Kelly doesn't have any loyalty or care for UM - his dream job is Boston College or the pros" - look no further than Les Miles as to why all this dream job talk is bullshit. Get the best coach, period. Do you not think Brian Kelly could have left GVSU a little earlier than the 15 years he stayed there after all his success?
Meeechigan Dan - you gotta let it go man. It's over. And it's for the best. Your credibility is ok with me. We can all be excited for the guy we actually hire because all the remaining candidates have no Blloyd left in their blood. (Deboring and English will never get the job). The University of Michigan football program is bigger than Bo and Lloyd. It was tremendously successful BEFORE Bo and Lloyd came and it will be even more incredible - on a national level - when new blood comes in to reinvigorate the program. This is really exciting stuff people! This is not a day to mourn. It is meant to be this way.
I just hope Kelly can emerge the winner. So glad that mainstream media has picked up on Kelly. This might at least get him an interview. And I believe all he needs is an interview to make believers out of this administration.
"Believe me, UM is better off without this clown, as I've said all along. He can't go through a season without losing at least two games, he can't go through a game without being outcoached"
Kinda sounds like Lloyd Carr.....
LSU stopped on 4th down again. Classic.
Just as I thought.. The LC faction got what they wanted. They ended up blowing up the deal. Read between the lines in Terry Foster's article.
http://info.detnews.com/
redesign...FTOKEN=59871294
How long are we going to allow these morons to ruin the Michigan program? LC is classy, but he is no coaching genius and no judge of character (he recommends a guy who was 3-34 for a MAC school). Why would anyone listen to him?????
I've typed this before here, and I'm going to just keep it on my notepad for quick reference:
1) If Lloyd has any substantial influence on the program, especially dictating that any asst coaches be kept, you are doomed and welcome to the 3rd tier of candidates.
2) Short list of people NOT returning your phone call: Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer. Most of you are intelligent, but some of you are simply delusional.
I feel bad for two guys who I think are good people: John Wangler and Herbie. Both of them put themselves waaaaay out there because of shit told to them, and through no fault of their own it didn't happen and they look stupid right now.
There's certainly no reason to doubt Wangler's motives. As for Herbstreit, he has on many occasions really boosted Michigan (like last year), and he is far from the SEC-tongue-bather that Danielson is. A whole lotta gullible people—including many on the internets—have taken at face value what they've heard or what they've read and treated it as fact. Now we know how people can still fall for the Nigerian letter scams and pigeon drops every day. If you desperately want to believe something, it's very easy to have the wool pulled over your eyes.
Brian Kelly is not a thug
I agree with yah pal. These morons would rather have a quality name than a quality coach. Good luck with that!
Faith and begorra! You lads are sumptin' else, floatin' me name 'round the Arbor. Dere's only one job I'd be intrested in takin', and it ain't in the Arbor.
Cincy:
No, I would not be at all surprised if Desmond let something slip to Herbie that shouldn't have gotten out yet. We may find out on tonight's ABC broadcast.
bigtenfan:
Michigan may still exist under the belief that the sign over the door saying "Michigan" will save them from paying top $$$ for a top level football coach.
There's also reports saying Kelly won't even get a sniff of the job.
I wouldn't be mad with Kelly but who knows what's going to happen at this point.
Terry Foster said some very interesting things. I can't imagine it all happened that fast. If it did, I honestly think it's b/c Lloyd couldn't bury a hatchet or otherwise.
Maybe Kirk got his info from this blog!
BKINAT,
I am impressed with what I've heard about Kelly. However, a Mark May endorsement will not earn him any medals in my book.
No matter what, I don't see Herbstreit selling out Desmond on national tv tonight.
Alright, I'm done with this soap opera for today. Go Vols!
Bill in Birmingham
I guess winning won't either then.
************************************
Here it is:
The official response from Kirk "a-hole" Herbstreit!
* * *
Herbstreit, who was working the Big 12 championship game for ABC Saturday night, said his information was solid.
"The guy I talked to has always been extremely accurate and he was confident that Les was going to be the Michigan coach," Herbstreit told the AJC. "But if LSU and Miles reacted the way they did, then that is the way the story played out. I felt good about the information when I went with it. I still feel good about it."
"2) Short list of people NOT returning your phone call: Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer. Most of you are intelligent, but some of you are simply delusional."
Amen, and thank you, Helga.
I agree that the Carr faction is one of the major reasons why this whole thing blew up....you can say what you want about Carr being "honorable" but then his reasoning about the timing of his retirement press conference made absolutely no sense. LC could have done what was best for the program and squashed his cronies and publicly stated that he would support Miles if hired or better yet just say that he'll leave the program and ride off into the sunset after a new HC was hired, but no, he has done no such thing since he still wants control over this program....which I believe is a major reason why Miles went ahead and agreed in principle with the LSU extension...so I'm putting this on Carr for thinking of "his guys" (the same incompetent people he's kept on staff for years) rather than what is best for the program as a whole....
Just a question. How many of you would still want Miles after all this? I'm a no.
I agree, if the game has passed you by, don't help with the coaching search to head the program in a new direction.
This "Civil War" game between the Oregons is really...wow. I think Oregon's getting the Eugene HS varsity QB warmed up on the sideline.
If anything else it give us an idea as to just how deep a QB depth chart runs.
And MGM/UA just called..."Rollerball" wants its uniforms back.
I like how you morons blame Kirk Herb for what's going on with Miles backing out. He's in the news business is he supposed to sit on a story he has. Ask Brian how that works!
I still would. I think he's been put in a tough position with all of the hoopla put out there today. He had to focus on this game for today, I can't fault him for lying to a reporter about it so close to game time. Call me crazy.
@KBlow
I'm a no.
And now all I want is Belichick.
Go Blue!
@Anon
My point was Jim Tressel was not all class as someone said he was.
Yes I know UM has had its share of problems, but it still pales in comparison to OSU.
Anon,
You miss my point. I have been more interested in the Kelly/Petersen/Schiano types than Miles and certainly Ferentz. I think Mark May is a waste of flesh. That is all.
The wallet should not matter as long as you are pacing what the other big boys are paying. 101,000 seats x 10 games @ $1 more = extra million+ for coach. Geeze, cheap out on what will be a multi year contract is bad business, bad math, bad decision. Pay what you need to get who you want. (but not Weis money, obviously)
Mblue96,
Great post. The only thing I would add is that Lloyd could very well feel that his timing was in the best interest of the program because it made Miles less likely to get the job.
Gorgeous. I'm loving it.
ES
One of my distant relatives is married to Carr. I'm working on getting his home phone. Post it later. =D
I'm a definite YES KBLOW
I wanted Les to come in and clean house so badly, I wanted to hear Carr and his buddies cry like little bitches on their way out
Ummmm in the 2nd Q.. and LSU has 2 trips to the red zone and has two field goals...isnt this the michigan offense?
The only thing worthwhile about Mark May is his hatred for Notre Dame. Everything else is, as you said, a waste of flesh.
I said it before and I'll say it again.
Kelley + Chuck Martin will give you what you want. NC's, Big Ten Championships, wins over tOSU. But hey settle for meritocracy.
Don't be fooled, Lloyd has a stake in this . He is not absolved of anything in this situation.
Yes he is a good man, but also EXTREMELY loyal to HIS people and his loyalty...being one of his best traits...is also one of his worst. He ultimately would not want Miles to come in a blow-out most of HIS guys. He is going to leave his finger-print on this program for better or worse.
this just in.....bill parcells is on his way to ann arbor in a covered wagon. get the tracker out.
I ask again, because nobody has given me a good answer.
Why does this series of events hurt Les Miles's reputation?
If he wants the Michigan job, he can't say so.
If he wants the LSU job, he's said all the right things.
If he just wants a chance to hear Michigan's offer, then he can't really say that, either.
None of you actually KNOW anything. I don't see how you can comment on Herbstreit's credibility, Miles's credibility, the influence of Lloyd Carr, etc. until we hear something official, or at least substantive.
I'm waitin' for da Fat Man in South Bend to explode next year. Saints preserve us, I'd rather play with snakes than lookit Lloyd Carr's face every mornin' when I go to work...
Sheesh. What you guys been drinkin' up dere in the Arbor? No one of any stature is goin' to the Arbor as long as the used Carr is parked outside Schembechler Hall.
Fingerprint...humm...middle one?
my sources tell me that rich kotite (the former jets coach) has been contacted as well.
what about john cooper?
\How many of you would still want Miles after all this? I'm a no.//
Same.
MMS...that would be for worse.
KBlow,
I've generally been a No all along, but not because of this. If somebody put a gun to my head and said I'm offering you 30% more to stay in a good situation but I have to know now, I'd probably do the same thing.
ahaah LSU just took a delay of game penalty on 3rd @ 32 ahahah
Lloyd does not want Miles nor anyone else that comes in here and wins 10 games next year without Henny, Hart and Manningham. Trust me. Lloyd does not have Michigans best interest at heart. If he did, he would have quit last year when he quit coaching, and would have waited to announce until after this weekend. He did it early to sabotage Miles. He needs to go! Buy him a trailer in Del Boca Vista and get him the hell out of our program. A guy who has no vision, has no ability to visualize the next generation coach!
what about dan deirdorf? now there, is a true michigan man.
Maybe it's me, but LSU does not look like they came to play today. Wow, what a series that was.
4 and 50 ... is Miles gonna go for it!??!?!
SEC fans actually think they've got the best conference in the country based on the way LSU and UT are playing today?
@Magnus
This reflects on Miles b/c he easily could've not responded to the question right before the game so clearly. A simple "no comment" or "i already addressed that" would've shut it down.
Real journalists get their facts straight and never get credible info from the internet.
Signed,
K.Herbstreit
Anon,
Sorry for my ignorance, but I've been meaning to ask for two days...who is Chuch Martin?
Craig-
I can see why. The whole team has only been dealing with this Miles leaving shit for the past few weeks...
who is this frank deford character? didn't he write for SI for some time?
@ES
You're loving this just like we've loved beating Sparty the past 6 years...
Magnus,
I don't think Miles reputation is hurt either. He was put in a bad position by UM (everybody could have "no commented" until after todays game) so a worried LSU coughed up the beefy contract extension and there you are.
And if Miles smells Carr influence for the future, why would he WANT to go?
Right on Magnus we don't know but to me Lloyd isn't the class guy some make him out to be. I think he's an arrogant fool who takes care of his friends and we have 13 years of proof for that much.
I don't think the Fort can just cover this one up, there has to be some explaining to do. If not I figure LSU people will be glad to fill us in.
Once again I'd take Miles in a second.
True, but the pre-game press conference was supposed to put all of that to rest for the players...right?
I'm fit, and ready to go. Give me a call.
Craig-
Yeah, but at the same time the press conference didn't really clear anything up. It was very open ended to interpretation. Had Miles come out and said "Hey I'm signing the contract" could be different, but the press conference did nothing to help the situation for either side IMO.
Magnus - believe it or not, some people mean what they say. These people have what is called integrity (you can find this word in an english dictionary if still unclear). They don't change their stories later. Les Miles saying he is "ABSOLUTELY going to be the head coach at LSU next year" means one thing: he will be the head coach at LSU next year. After what Nick Saban did to LSU fans, don't think Les isn't aware of all that, and that he will destroy their trust and respect the same way. He is a Bo disciple after all.
So, no way Les is coming to Ann Arbor. He said it and he means it.
Hey Kirk Herbstriet here. Now I know the Buckeyes are playing the New England Patriots this weekend and New England is loaded. But, with Tressel as coach and Boeckman throwing the ball.. I've got to like the Bucks chances of beating New England in New England.
Carr could have left and been so beloved for retiring when the time was right and stepped aside to let someone else put their stamp on the program. But I believe that he misguidedly and perversely sees himself as the "guardian" of the program and his blind loyalty to "his" guys is leaving its mark: look at the timing of his retirement press conference (that put a lot of pressure on Miles) and also remember his quote at his press conference: "...the job seeks you, you do not seek the job..." and there were some indications that LM has seeked, wished for, coveted the UM job for quite some time......it's all there...this is all on LC and his group of cronies...
@magnus
I agree with you up to the point where Miles told Erin Andrews that he "absolutely would be LSU coach next year". Up to that point, I was with you. He was waffling. I think he wanted to come and got a decent offer, but when he heard about the resistance from Lloyd and got an unbelievable offer from LSU, he changed his mind. Can't blame him. $30M for 10 years is a big deal!
I don't see how any of this changes my opinion of Miles or whether I want him at UM. Has he suddenly become a bad coach? All of you just wanted Miles because of the way he would handle speculation on leaving? Someone should explain.
Fisher,
I think your name is D-E-B-E-R-R-Y.
I used to be a Lloyd guy...
Lloyd this mess is on you!
Thanks for nothing
i don't know about new england....but michigan? we all know tressel's record v. um
00goblue00 don't tell that to cbs or espn lol
I don't get why he didn't just say at his press conference that he would be back next year for sure if he is going to go and say it to a sideline reporter..
@Blue In A2
Not to question your Michigan fanhood but it raises an eyebrow when you spell henne as "henny."
You're confusing me with the former Air Force coach. My name is spelled with an "e". :)
@bdud
b/c Miles is a fuck up
bill martin just offered me the job, im gonna hire debiard as my o-coordinator
well is les is out... who the hell is in?
@ TOOL212
Wait, how does this reflect on Lloyd?
I realize he's supporting Debord and that's dumb. But what does that have to do with Miles?
And let's say this was all a smokescreen and Miles comes to Michigan in the next week...then doesn't *ALL THIS* seem stupid and reactionary?
I'll take the job!!!
Yeah no kidding. Loved how he didn't say anything either way and immediately following CBS and ESPN go with "Miles confirms staying at LSU" Did you hear that anywhere in that press conference? I sure didn't lol
I really feel Herbstreet is playing the ass here. While it is probably true at least some people at UM are hoping to hold a news conference next week announcing Miles as coach I suspect there has been no offer or acceptance completed. Yet Herbstreet is implying Miles has been talking to UM contrary to what Miles has been saying along. Something I doubt happened much less that Herbstreet has confirmation it happened. Herbstreet is trying to make UM and Miles look bad when I doubt he has ANY information to support it.
All of a sudden, we're getting hung up on spelling errors, Harbaugh?
At this point, I just can't see how this could possibly turn out and not leave a bad taste in my mouth. I have never liked Lloyd dating back to when he was DC but honestly this would take the cake by far if Terry Dixon's column has any merit.
@Jim Harbaugh Scramble
I just got so fired up thinking about this that I mistyped.
BKINAT,
Even though I am not a Miles guy for the job, I agree completely with you about his sense of integrity. Watch him fool me, but one thing I have liked about him a lot is that I think he is a straight shooter.
Maybe the Job is going to Hillary Clinton... She neither confirms nor denies things pretty well
I think LM really was going to come and wanted to come, but the whole LC faction thing as well as LSU AD putting pressure on him really pretty much boxed him into a corner (did his body language at the PC reflect that of a man who was boxed into a corner and was forced to pick a lane?)...and so it's over now. No way he is coming. That door is shut...
@ Brian Kelly is not a thug
I wasn't questioning anyone's integrity, the truth of Miles's statements, or the definition of the word "integrity."
So in your attempt to prove me wrong, make me look bad, win an argument with me, etc....
...keep trying.
jim harbaugh would be a good choice, but um's standards are too low....
The question now is, what respectable coach will come to Michigan with it being obvious that Lloyd will be looking over his shoulder constantly?
You know that Lloyd will probably be running the program WITH the coach instead of letting the coach run his OWN program.
I know Michigan is not experienced at this stuff, but it's looking to me like Bill Martin got played for a fool by LSU's AD. Martin gave him several days to negotiate with Miles with no interference. I guess we all know now why most AD's don't take the "high road" regarding getting permission.
@Magnus
I said it before, but I just don't want anything close to Saban as UM's HC. If Miles still ends up as our HC then just that's what we'll have.
I think what Drew Sharp writes makes the most sense. There *was* a deal with Michigan; LSU came back with a big-time offer; Miles had second thoughts because Carr would be backbiting him at every opportunity. It's hard to fault Miles for having second thoughts about that; I would feel the same way. Going into a politicized situation is no fun and a major distraction from the business of winning football games.
This is all on Lloyd Carr. He should have had the grace to step aside and not play favorites. My respect for him has diminished considerably.
00goblue00 on the USC-UCLA game, the ESPN ticker read "Les says he will return next season"--return where? talk about putting your tail between your legs.
Sorry, I mean Terry Foster, not Drew Sharp...
@Blue in A2
That's it exactly. Better get the wallet out, people. And that includes asst coaches.
lloyd finally beat tressel - he drove miles away from the job. damn you lllllloyd. go to hell!! we all wanted that buffoon on the sidelines in AA next year
Let's get something straight. The UM job is the easiest and most attractive "premiere" job in the country and here's why. The following is the only formula that a coach has to follow if he wants to keep his job for 20 years and retire with showers of compliments and Sooper Dooper Michigan Man ring:
1. Beat ND one out of every 2 times.
2. Beat MSU 4 out of every 5 times.
3. Lose respectably to OSU.
4. Win the Big (jayvee) 10.
5. Win your bowl game 1 out of every 10 times.
6. Stay away from probation (at least don't get caught)
7. Run the classic UM playbook which consists of 3 plays--"RR" (Run Right), "RL" (Run Left), "SUtP" (Set Up the Punt).
THATS IT. That's all a UM coach has to do to keep his job forever. Why strive for more by getting aggressive about nabbing a gambler like Miles when the bar has been set so low here? Let's just get Ferentz and be done with it so we can continue our march to mediocrity.
I will be available for job interviews immediately after the game today. My golf clubs and spikes are already stowed in the trunk.
@ KBlow
I'm not making a case for or against Miles. I can see both sides of things (he makes bad decisions sometimes and he spouts off, but he hires good coordinators, he's gutsy, and he's energetic).
I'm just trying to figure out why people are making such bold statements when everything's still so much up in the air.
reflection of Lloyd is he has more to do with the coaching hire than what he said in his press conference.
I think it says that Lloyd didn't get his way.
Since we or I know nothing, I could mean that Lloyd gave Martin his blessing and Miles comes in. I don't know. But like I said, I feel Lloyd is screwing this up.
Maybe we'll find out if I'm right I'm right if I'm wrong I'm wrong but that's how I feel about Carr.
I also meant Terry Foster rather than Dixon, I work with a Terry Dixon...man I have to drink less beer on college football Saturdays...
@Blue in A2
Typo is fine I was just asking because a lot of trolls are in here, for example "jim herrman" claiming he was going to hire "debiard" as his OC.
I was just checking to see if you were legit or a troll, no offense.
I agree, it is over. Let's start a recruit Brian Kelly campaign. Does LC have an issue with him because he knows how to win? Think about it, Lloyd looks like a bozo if someone who coached just a few years comes in here and wins 10-11 games that Lloyd lost to AS with. How many votes does it take to override the LC veto?
Kinesiology,
You're an ass, but that was pretty funny.
Craig-
no kidding. just wait, if anything else breaks they will backtrack on that as well.
For the love of Fielding H. Yost go get an OHIO STATE ASSISTANT who knows the playbook and can BEAT OSU. It'll be cheaper and it's been proven once before.
Hail to the Yellow and Blue!!!!
C'mon folks. Miles would've known about scowling Carr all along. Carr's office placement in relation to Miles' didn't change his mind. Money did.
...does this whole situation remind anyone of when belichek went to the jets, and the left for NE? Pacells/CARR in the background...backbiting all the time.
@ Jim Harbaugh Scramble
No harm brother. I have read a lot of your comments and you get it. I am true blue which is why I get so frustrated with our incompetence some times.
@ TOOL2112
Okay, I'm just trying to get this straight...
So blaming Lloyd (not just you, but other people, too) is pure conjecture at this point?
You could very well be right. I just want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Where is John Wangler? I keep asking this till I get an answer. He's Les's best buddy--he promised that Les was ours--and he delivered us a bag of goods too.
Gotta go, helping the son with Christmas cookies...so Gooooo
Sooooners!!!
(This offer expires 10pm PST)
Go do something Christmas-ee yourselves and breathe!!!
Doesn't Miles seem like he would have enough of a backbone to tell Martin that he wanted little to no interference from Carr?
Magnus-
because most people do not think that anything is up in the air anymore after Miles comment to a sideline reporter a few minutes prior to the game.
Question. If we get a coach from a diff conference are you hopeful that they will bring a new offense to the big 10. spread option... maybe even get a QB that can...OMGSHIRTKESS RUN? Honestly Henne and mallett are as mobile as vinny testiverde
@Magnus
I hear you. I really can't wait until the real story does come out and I must say it is fun to speculate. I guess we all just care about the future of the program so much that an event like this seems to only point to deep problems in AD leadership in general or, at a minimum, our specific HC search comm.
I feel like I just got kicked in the Lesticles.
Drew Sharp is a dumbass and he stole that info from Terry Foster, I believe.
I am also moving on to Brian Kelly as my choice. The man won 10 games in Mount Pleasant his last year. Imagine what he could do in Ann Arbor. He recruited Dan LeFevour, and he just joined Vince Young in being one of the only QB's to pass for 3,000 yards and run for 1,000 in a season. Not too shabby.
who you going to get from ohio state? heacock? bollman? dick tressel? come on boys.
Wangler was last seen on TV roasting marshmallows in the parking lot on Gameday.... and NO we DON'T need the spread. We need someone who can call plays with the players we HAVE. I could have called a better game against OSU.
Hail to the Yellow and Blue
my left toe could have called a better game against OSU...
i still say john cooper
Umm...anyone just see that sequence from LSU? That was not well managed at all.
@Magnus
We have no proof that LC screwed this up, but it is plausable. Everyone knows LC hates Miles. I wonder if LC pushed the Ferentz deal hard trying to close that deal last week. Think about it from LC perspective. KF is the perfect coach, mild mannered (like LC), and underperforming (like LC). He would come here with a crappy OC (Debord) and conditioning coach and no special teams coach. If he was 6-6 in Iowa he would probably be 8-4 next year which would make LC's last few years look great. Anyone else in for a contribution to buy LC a trailer in Del Boca Vista and get him out of here?
Brian Kelly.
I'm all over this: the real story will come out, and I will be Da Man to spell it all out for you. I even have the title: Saturdays with Lloyd.
Brian Kelly NAT.
Miles is not known for keeping his word. He says what is needed in the situation.
read the oklahoma state sites: http://www.tulsaworld.com/webext...spx?
column_id=8
"Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State: “When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU."
Keeping his word is not his strong suit.
I sincerely hope that if this falls through the coaching search is thorough to the extreme, that means interviewing Kelly, Tedford, Schiano, and anyone else that's available and a legitimate potential good fit for the program, REGARDLESS of whether Lloyd wants to go fishing with him or not.
Wow. LSU is the #5 team in the country?
Really?
@ Whatchagot
"Hail to the Yellow and Blue" Who are you hailing WVU or Cal? Because, Michigan is Maize and Blue.
AAB - exactly. all ohio stats fans wanted miles at the switch in AA. dark day in ohio today.
I have a theory:
Someone from Michigan told Les' agent sometime last week that he was not a shoo-in for the Mich job, and was among a list of candidates. Les felt it was too risky to even interview because if he didn't get the job, there was no way he'd be welcomed back to Baton Rouge. He decided to just sew up the job he already knows he has.
hhahah LSU just missed a chip shot FG hahahah
7-6 TN in the SECCG at the half...it's like a FUCKING REVOLUTION in offensive football hahahahh...either of these teams would blow the Pats out by 50...they should just fly the Lombardi Trophy down to the Georgia Dome now and cancel the rest of the NFL season ahahahhaah
Wow, missed the field goal. LSU looks like Oregon without Dixon. Well, maybe not THAT bad...
Also, what is the proof that Lloyd hates Miles. I have heard this alot and not sure where it originates.
Anyone have a specific link. I am sure there is one, I just never saw it.
Maybe Miles loses this game on purpose....LSU fires him on the spot....and UM hires him five minutes later.
boomer sooner!! boomer sooner!!
old fan i posted that same thing about two hours ago. No one cares lol.
I am officially endorsing Brian Kelly. He may not have much coaching experience, but he knows how to clean up Debord's mess and that is what we need now. Maybe he can bring our prehistoric offense into the iron age.
there's a lot of speculation about Lloyd and Miles in previous recruiting battles, but nothing has been substantiated to my knowledge...
Miles is a total ass clown.
You ever sing the Alma Mater?
Last time I checked, the title of the University of Michigan's alma mater was "Hail to the Yellow and Blue."
My fact-checker swears up and down that this is true. His name is Marley, and he's my dead Labrador retriever.
Magnus, you were exposed many, many moons ago. Prior to my arrival and probably prior to BILG's arrival too. I think I addressed you while we were washing our hands in a bathroom sometime around 2002. I told you that Lloyd was the most unimaginative, conservative, underachieving coach in the country. You said, "Nah, Lloyd is one of the best coaches out there." I'm pretty sure that was you.
I have no interest in making you look bad. You do it to yourself. I will never again address you in this forum b/c it too painful to read your responses. So please go ahead and get that last comment in. I think it might help you deal with having accepted that it's ok being in the middle, finding the good in complacency and the silver lining in mediocrity. Some of us want better than that.
@old fan
Lots of stories from lots of places on this one. Check some old stories on this blog.
lloyd is going to kill this program one way or another, be it from the sidelines, or from the athletic office. scary.
Yeah, um, seriously guys? Watching the SEC title game, that is a really poorly coached game by Miles. Everything we've complained about is going on there. Stupid false starts, awful clock management, Debordesque conservatism. Yes, I know backup QB but it's not like he hasn't played a lot this year.
totally off topic, but Davis is rocking the Dr. Pepper challenge...LSU needs that guy.
I still say this is Lloyd. This coaching search is about as organized as a Carr coached football game. Not to mention the preparation since they knew he'd be retiring for two years. And shit, the outcome will be the same as a Carr coached game. Michigan will end up losing, no matter what they do now. They'll keep doing screen passes, promoting Debord, and losing yards...or games.
enlightened bum-
Perriloux is supposed to be somekind of OMG shirtless 5-star recruit from what I've heard.
I didn't go to Michigan but I grew up in that stadium... I cried as a kid any time they got beat... I BLEED Maize and Blue... and the actual phrase is
HURRAH FOR THE YELLOW AND BLUE.
old fan: check the differences between the statements.
"I am really happy here...this is a place I want to be" is JUST a little less committal than "I ABSOLUTELY will be coaching at LSU next year."
Just a minor difference, you could be right.
i'm off to drink a case of paulner hefe weizen..see bums in hell!
go bucks!!!
My sources tell me that Lee Corso is available.
@ Blue A2
I agree that it's plausible that Lloyd Carr was involved.
I've also heard the theory that LSU could have let that information leak in order to force Miles's hand.
I don't see how either one would be more plausible than another.
Besides that, I don't really see Lloyd Carr leaking info to anyone. I don't think anyone can argue - Lloyd-lover or Lloyd-hater - that Carr is usually tight-lipped. It seems plausible but iffy.
And I still don't even believe the Ferentz thing was ever as close as was rumored.
Maybe I'm making excuses but I can't say that I am surprised by the way LSU is playing. They are distracted, it's obvious.
Hmmm...
Word has it that Bill Martin is on his way down to Atlanta.
Dream scenario if Miles is not the man:
LSU loses to TN.
Mizzou loses to OU.
UM gets on horn and hires Pinkel.
UM vs. LSU in Cap. One Bowl. Lloyd wins and we all say shit we dodged a bullet hiring Miles.
OSU loses by 50 to WVU in BCS title game.
@Jim
I definitely agree with the disorganization of the search as a reflection of how deeply screwed the football part of the athletic dept. is. Martin may not have known for sure for 2 years but he has had since Sept. Something beyond Carr is fucking this up though.
@ Brian Kelly is Not a Thug
Ummmm...okay.
If LLoyd is responsible for stopping Miles from coming to Ann Arbor, after watching the game so far, Lloyd may have the right idea...
Yes, Martin is on his way to Atlanta, where he plans to rent a car and drive to UCF to talk to George O'Leary.
00goblue00, also not surprised, and Miles seemed awfully cheery at the half for a team that has played that horribly for 30 minutes.
Sorry off topic. Anyone else TIRED of seeing the Diet Dr. Pepper commercial?
MMS,
Serious?
@ Mitch Albom
Is Mateen Cleaves there?
My fact-checker said that O'Leary's resume is all legit now.
@Craig
I would be cheery too if I just agreed to a $30m deal.
@ MMS
Yes, Mateen is there. The Navigator is all gassed up and ready to roll.
Basically, what I'm inferring about Lloyd is...
He has his fingerprints ALL OVER...
...nothing. Because nothing's happened.
Hey losers-
Just thought I'd stops over to see what the weaker half is up to. You guys done crying in your beer yet? Oh wait, I forgot, you guys are better than that. You drink whine.
Magnus,
but isn't LC used to producing nothing?
How do you think the LSU fans react to Miles $30m deal if he loses today?
Blue, point well taken. And watching the HT report, Spencer Tillman is still an ass.
I'd bet money that after today Karl Dorrell will be available.
Love the guy on CBS that just said "who knows what Miles is going to do" make up your mind already!
Who are we overlooking? Is there a new Urban Meyer out there... and we're just not seeing it because we're looking too high?
Nope, we drink whatever you serve us.
In the first half, I believe LSU had 7 penalties, a sideline warning, and had no timeouts left at the end of the half, which didn't stop them from throwing a swing pass on 2nd and 10, spiking the ball on 3rd and 13 even though officials had to stop play to fix the clock, and then missed a field goal.
Umm. Wow.
@ Mitch Albom
SWEET! Print the story!
So what's the process for transfering my Michigan degree to some other school?
I have no confidence in Martin's ability to lead this search. He kept Carr in place for 12 painful (and one successful) years. Under his leadership, expect Michigan to continue the slide.
Boy, those new executive boxes are going to look nice.... EMPTY.
I just spoke with Franchione on the phone. He says that Martin's been talking with Gerry Faust, just for some advice.
BRIAN -
Time to work those insider sources, my man. I'd feel a hundred times better if you could give me some good news- and it didn't come from a message board.
Miles is absolutely insane if he turns down the chance to coach at Michigan. Absolutely insane.
I love the fact that none of us respond to the Col-dumb-us infiltrator posts. Bravo fellow Wolverine alumni!
Magnus if the Ferentz thing wasn't as close then maybe Carr isn't the one screwing it up. But on this blog it has suggested that he is quite involved (background checks etc)
Nobody really knows, even if Carr isn't the cause I still can't stand the guy and I think he was a horible coach that took care of his buddies.
Maybe the whole Miles thing wasn't as close to happening as we all were led to believe either.
Just the thought of Carr putting his nose in this makes me sick and ruins my day. Didn't say it was a true statement, just saying the thought of it just put me over the edge.
Les Miles isn't going to Michigan. I accidentally ate him at halftime. Oops.
@TrueBlueGeorgia-those "painful" 12 years included one of the highest winning percentages in the country, the first NC in 50 years, numerous BCS bowls, a 6-7 record against OSU and a .500 record in bowls. He also recruited like a damn gangster.
I mean really, what in the world is there to be so ashamed of in all that?
Can someone please help me out here?
As far as I see it, there are very, very few facts here and lots and lots of rumors and stories.
Facts
UM has put together a committee to find the next head coach.
UM has interviewed Debord and English
UM has asked permission to talk to Miles after the game.
Rumor
Everything else.
Did I miss anything?
Perhaps ignored...but lording over you nonetheless...14-3
@craig
I think it is spelled Col-dumb-ass.
Man you guys are something. Name the instance where Carr's integrity on or off the field has been questioned. Okay, now name the instances where Miles has been questioned. Why the heck is Carr being blamed?
Michigan made it clear they wanted to talk to Miles. Miles and his agent made it clear that they hadn't contacted him and wouldn't until after the game. In the meantime Miles authorized his agent to negotiate an extension with LSU and you geniuses decide all of this is Carr's fault. BS
And what you all see in a coach responsible for the first half I just watched, the most penalized team in the SEC is beyond me.
Guy on CBS just said "Miles had to respond the the BOGUS report." Assume he was talking about Herbstreet. He still seemed to leave doubt on what will eventually happen even while saying Miles character is about what he does and not what he says.
Yes buckeyebeanie you own us we know. No reason to rub it in.
Inca, yes, Miles told a sideline reporter he would be at LSU next year.
Beanie-
Come on over to UM Hospital and we'll bandage up your scabbed knuckles.
Not a rumor: Miles saying he would "absolutely" be at LSU next year.
So it's either that or he's a liar...on national TV...just like Saban...and Bush..and, for the GOP'ers, like Clinton.
Franchione says that Faust has recommended that Martin speak to Paul Johnson, the head coach at Navy.
Alright, you've suffered enough. I'm outta here. Back to the scarlet and grey blogs I go.
@ Inca Kola -
you forgot this:
FACT - Les Miles to CBS reporter, "I will be coaching LSU next year..definitely." Les would not pull an outright Saban like this...if you look at the quote, he has left himself NO wiggle room. His previous quotes when he was at OSU and there were rumors about him going to LSU and also all of his previous quotes he left himself a LOT of wiggle room "...I love it here....I don't want to do this...or that...." but he said definitively "I will be coaching at LSU next year" and not "..it's my intention...." to think that this is not over is just delusional and somewhat Notre Dameish...
I was just waiting for that clip.
@Whoever was complaining about the Diet Dr. Pepper commercial -
I'd keep that commercial if it meant the "dancing lineman" commercial would never be shown again.
@blue
One fact that questions Carr's motives is that he says he wants what's best for Michigan but pushes for 2 year deals for his loser assistants when he know he's quitting in less than a year.
Maybe it's just b/c they showed the UM/App State clip AGAIN, but I can't help thinking this is not a good day to be a Wolverine...not even b/c I'm the biggest LM fan in the world, just not much to be happy about yet.
On the off note...Who likes UM vs LSU for the Capital One Bowl?
I'm not saying that its not over.
But people are going way overboard blaming Martin already before any facts are out there, and blaming Carr for the same reasons.
Blue in A2:
Agreed. I can't think of any business anywhere that would guarantee a subordinate's salary for a year without some expectation that said subordinate would still be in the employ of or performing a service for said business.
btw, we're losing to harvard and amaker.
I have to feel that if the Lloyd faction is so strong up here in Ann Arbor, if I was Les Miles I would clearly stay in LSU. I want LSU to be the next HC, but I can't blame him for not wanting to come. Lloyd has ruined this football program for the next 5 years. I'm sad, depressed, and the only thing that is going to make that better is either the beer sitting on the table next to me, or that this is all some sort of politiking and Les is still a candidate. I'm tired of worrying, and tired of Lloyd Carr's influence on this program. His class is now being overshadowed by his obvious inability to let things die.
Poop...
One fact that questions Carr's motives is that he says he wants what's best for Michigan but pushes for 2 year deals for his loser assistants when he know he's quitting in less than a year.
That's classic Carr right there although Martin didn't have to agree to it.
Jim, I hear you, someone in the room with me recently was laughing at that lineman commercial and I was incredulous...
"I will be coaching at LSU next year."
Of course he could be referring only to the bowl game, which technically is 'next year.'
By "LSU as head coach" I obviously meant Les Miles. I'm already a bit drunk.
@ Inca Kola
My point exactly.
You guys are basing so much off of rumors, I'm starting to think you're all just Donald Rumsfeld's screen names...
The damn refs are trying to give oregon the game, I'm not sure if anyone is watching that game but Oregon is terrible w/o dixon.
The thinking that Bill Martin has somehow screwed this up is without any factual basis at this point. For all anyone knows, Miles could have just left his intentions about the Michigan job vague to leverage a better contract extension from LSU. Kirk Herbstreit (a Buckeye) could have leaked his story early to sabotage Michigan. All of that, of course, is speculation. Unless the source of a "rumor" is Bill Martin, then we should all accept the fact that we are in the dark.
As far as proclaiming the doom of the program, I'm not going to go there. If no one else will take the job, give it to Ron English.
My diploma says "The University of Michigan" on it. So do my Mom's, Dad's and grandfather's diplomas. That isn't going to chane, nor will my rooting interests on Saturdays in the next 40-50 falls.
Just get Jeff Tedford and move on. At least he will be at an academic powerhouse which actually has facilities and not tree sitters.
chris, I thought about that as well, although that would be quite Saban-ish of him.
ish:
Ahaahhha jesus you're right....ahahahh...Michigan Bball has scored 16 points so far in the 1st half hahahhahah hahahaha the pain ooooooooo the pain hahaha
Why would you want Miles? He's abad game coach. Just watch LSU play and you'll see that.
Someone please yank 1-8 DeShawn Sims' scholarship at halftime hahahahah
Blue in A2 -
It was a decent thing to do and with what Michigan has saved on Carr who always left money on the table, it's really no big deal to pay them off. More importantly though, Carr wanted out and Martin knew it, he negotiated those contracts with that in mind.
Go Harvard + T.Ammeker.
And go Capital One Bowl.
Michigan vs LSU
Herbstreit values his job too much to "sabotage" Michigan. That's a ridiculous suggestion.
Jesus - the highlight of the weekend is going to be if Michigan can find a way to get a split against the Suckeyes in hockey.
This used to be a fun time of year.
22-16 Harvard.
The head coach of Saginaw Nouvel is in Ann Arbor. I saw him and Martin over at Cottage Inn.
losing to amaker and harvard? yak
Moving Dreamsicles?...sell your CBS stock if you have it, they have plummeted into the depths of hell today imo.
DeShawn Sims now 1-9, Michigan on pace for 16 points at the half woooo!
I wasn't posting or talking to jesus, I was just making a comment - just sayin
Lsu 271 yards to tenn 91 and they are down by a point...
what's a bigger kick to the balls: Miles turning Michigan down or losing to Amaker's Harvard?
i think the sight of amaker is making us turn the ball over.
@MusketRebellion
I agree with you. He was the worst defensive coordinator ever and we rewarded him by making him a HC. Then he won a NC with Moeller's recruits and two onfield coaches (Woodson and Griese) so he won the right to coach longer than he should. Finally he retires (and admits that he hasn't had it for the last few years) and we reward his mediocre coaching record by putting him on the search committee. Ridiculous! He had a .750 winning percentage. But guess what Michigan's average winning percentage has been since 1900? .742. So with all those blue chip recruits, LC achieved a stellar record of exactly 8 one thousands of a point better than our average for the last 100 years.
HAahahah the Yahoo box score says Sims has missed two layups in a row...throw him off the team at the half!
If not Miles or Ferentz? What is the top 5 now for the job?
But but, December 6 is my birthday, so it's somewhat important.... right? right?? Okay, it's not.
i think the sight of amaker is making us turn the ball over.
That's one of the funniest posts I've read.
By the way, GO LSU!!! 13-7 now
harvard up 6 at the half. weeeeeeee!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the lineman commericial!!11!1!!1!!
Ugh... I trust in Beilein and all, but system be damned-- if you're playing Harvard, we don't need to hoise 100 3s... pound it inside on their 6'5" center who's majoring in biochem.
We're getting OWNED by ANDREW PUSAR:
http://www.gocrimson.com/ViewArt...0&
ATCLID=537253
HIS NAME IS ANDREW PUSAR!!!
Don't forget. Les has some big coinage in his contract on winning this game. You think he wants his troops not ready to play?
Refs are screwing Or. State, they go u 28-7 refs take away the touchdown give Or. a short field for an easy touchdown and now Orst fumbles and oregon houses it. Tie game.
@ Blue in A2
Part of that .742 winning percentage was earned at a time when nobody else knew how to play football.
And Lloyd's teams won 1 more championship than the hallowed Bo Schembechler did. Bo got some good recruits, too.
Lloyd isn't/wasn't perfect, but he's not as bad as you make him out to be.
Blue in A2 got his Ph.D Unpersuasive Hyperbole
You know if we played LSU in a bowl game we'd get our ass spanked. We couldn't stop the run the last two games and couldn't block a good rush end.
It would just be more embarrassment on national TV. Screw that.
Just read the LM comments...makes 100% sense. Why is everyone freaking out? What is the guy suppossed to say before the SEC Championship Game? I mean, he does want his team to stay focused. He knows UM said they discuss after the game. There is NO DOUBT that LM is going to talk to UM after the game. I think everyone is blowing this way out of proportion. Put yourself in his shoes...you'd say the same thing. And, then Tuesday, after he signs with UM, he'll tell the press, "what did you expect me to say two hours before game time?"
Calm down everyone!
I actually don't like Beilein's offensive system that much. Michigan basketball should be about driving the offensive lane, not raining 3 pointers. Leave that to teams like Butler.
@ BOYBlue
Lemme check my notebook:
1. Dennis Franchione
2. Bill Cubit, Western Michigan
3. Paul Johnson, Navy
4. Bob Davie
5. Mateen Cleaves
6. George O'Leary
That's all.
Oh. And Ty Willingham and Karl Dorell.
Gary Danielson "Black would equal Georgia."
I'm not even sure what to make of that.
well, when there are hoofbeats think horses and not zebras. I highly doubt that Herbstreit would deliberately leak false info since that is a SERIOUS ETHICAL breach in his industry. The most plausible theory is that yes, money may have been a factor but more important, the whole issue of the Lloyd-Faction and also that of working with Lloyd being there and the potential in-fighting was enough to kill the thing....so yes, I'm pretty comfortable putting this on Lloyd for NOT just riding off into the sunset or not telling everyone in the program they'd better fall IN LINE behind whoever the new HC is.....his actions (watch his retirement press conf.) are classic passive agressiveness....
about as much as you could make out of his quarterback stint with the Lions I would imagine.
oh man I heard Gary say that and didn't get it.....
oh that's gonna bite him in the ass...
Wait a sec. I turned an extra page:
R.C. Slocum and Steve Spurrier.
Did Herbie or espn ever explain the gaffe?
@z_for
I expect the next coach at UM to be able to say (in that situation) "No comment. I addressed it already at the press conference and excuse me I've got a game to go and win." It's not brain surgery. if Miles can't handle that situation then we need someone else anyway.
God knows what kind of bulletin board material he'd give OSU.
Michigan wouldn't put a fuck lion into my contract. No deal.
Magnus,
I am invading Columbus. The WMD are there.
-Donald Rumsfeld
Even if the LSU AD knew Miles was gone, do you really think he would have acknowledged? There very may well have been a contract extension in the works. He of course would tout that. He has a vested interest in his team winning the SECCG. I agree with those who are saying we are where we started.
with all the talk about how great the SEC is, shouldn't they be able to kick simple field goals a little better than this...
Still here, and still willing to negotiate.
Herbie has been very fair to Michigan in the last two years. He is not conspiring to get us.
I think the sight of amaker is making us turn the ball over.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
F*cking A man!!! I was so excited when I heard about Miles and Tenuta!!! I had national championship farries dancing in my head!!!
I think it was a done deal, it jus had to be kept quiet until after this game, and UM screws that up!!! Now I just feel a big let down!! How/why would anyone want to come and coach UM now?!?! This is just plain bad for UM and with OSU kicking ass every year and looking like the next dynasty team, these next 6-7 years are just going to suck!!
Like Bill Clinton would say, it depends on your definition of "absolutely".
It wouldn't be the first nor the last time that a coach said one thing and then did another. Miles has people and programs to protect. Often times a coach values that over what he says to the media. He is coaching a huge game. Most coaches would do anything in that moment as long as it is within the rules. Most of them don't give a damn that anybody questions them afterwards. Anything but "I'm staying at LSU" invites questions, and that is exactly what he does not want right now. Perhaps Miles is not that kind of coach, but I wouldn't blame him if he was. Hell, I'd do the same thing if I was in that same situation.
And if certain factions within the Michigan program are truly anti Miles, then does anyone really think that they'd be more inclined to go with Kelly? I thought Miles would've been the perfect guy to appeal to both old guard and new guard, but it is apparent that the old doesn't want to bend. I don't want to see this program torn apart by a civil war.
Les Miles can go to hell. Explain to me how a "Michigan Man":
1) Votes for Florida over Michigan for the NC last year.
2) Publicly embarrasses his alma mater by leading them on that Michigan was his dream job only to stay at LSU when push came to shove.
Looks like we need to give Bobby Stoops a call...I will accept nothing less than a big name coach.
so let me get this straight - a coach has never said one thing and done another?
come on guys, seriously... it's not done until he signs those papers.
anyone know how many turnovers we had in the 1st half?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3136536
Yooper, here's ESPN post 5pm that covers their tracks, says LM clarified things in his pre-game presser and then followed it up definitively on the field prior to kickoff.
I think Michigan follows through with request to talk to him after this game, but it now morphs into a courtesy call where Miles refers some potential candidate names to Martin and formally takes himself out of consideration.
and obviously picking Florida over Michigan was a good choice. They wiped the field with OSU. They deserved to be there...end of story.
Good god....the basketball team is shooting .290 against Harvard....
HARVARD
That's a high school field goal percentage!
@ Ricky
re: "Les Miles can go to hell. Explain to me how a "Michigan Man":
1) Votes for Florida over Michigan for the NC last year."
...possibly because last year Florida was indeed more deserving than Michigan...
Amaker's got it in us from the front and Miles has it in us from behind. It's a banner day for UM, boys and girls.
No way around it. We got dumped by Les in the most embarassing way. Martin is Mr. Bushleague himself. You don't go public with an interview request unless the candidate is in your pocket. Otherwise, this shit happens and your "prestigious" and "coveted" program ends up looking like ass all over the ncaa.
How would you like to be the next candidate for the UM job? Yup, you're hot, yup everyone wants you, yup you weren't anywhere near being UM's 1st choice.
I'd tell Martin to get bent and go hire his OC.
We've lost something off our fastball.
Two things:
1. If you're blaming this on Lloyd you are speculating, guessing, b.s.-ing. There is absolutely zero information to support that Lloyd or any alleged "Lloyd faction" (a new and interesting term) actively did anything to thwart this. The best you have is the dubious report of Terry Foster that, without real sources on that issue, speculates Miles was somehow concerned about dissention. That's it. So relax, douchebags.
2. This just isn't done. If it was, you'd think you'd hear something from Michigan/Martin, maybe expressing disappointment, as opposed to letting Tim Brando and Spencer Dumbass drag them through the mud like they did on the SECCG pre-game. Martin isn't in a position where he can somehow try and save face by saying "this other guy was actually our first choice." So, he's got to react somehow if it's truly over. It's just not. It may be close - LSU may be in the better position, but it's not yet a certainty. A lot could happen between now and next week, including Martin actually talking to Miles for the first time and assuring him whatever the hell he's worried about, won't be an issue. Again, he may stay at LSU, but if you've followed coaching changes at all, you have to realize that a guy saying he's staying doesn't mean he's absolutely staying. So, everyone just take a step back and wait and see...
Yooper,
Don't even think that on the hire....
00goblue00,
That is far from the end of the story. Whether he was right or wrong is not the point. At a point where most, if not all, of Michigan fans were wanting us to have another shot, Miles voted against us. In retrospect, it might have been the right move, but this doesn't change what he chose when he chose it. The question isn't whether he was right, what choice did he make given the information at hand at the time. His loyalty for Michigan is defined by the decision, and not the outcome.
Was Lloyd wrong for wanting us in the National Championship, since he was wrong in retrospect.
Let's be honest. The man is full of contradictions. He tells us this morning that he has no interest in talking to anyone else. But according to ESPN, at the SECCG press conference this week he had said he planned to talk to Wolverines officials after the SEC title game. Not sure we can believe anything he is saying right now.
R-Lew:
Prepare for you drop of reason to be ovewhelmed by a tidal wave of message board overreaction "OMG, I hate CarrMartinMilesLSuMichiganAppStateAmakerKILLMENOW!
!!"
But nice thought.
i'm falling into the pessimistic camp too. i just can't think of any coach we have a realistic chance of getting that would be all that exciting. i wasn't real sold on miles, but had begun to accept it since everyone else seemed to be so pumped (and tenuta would have been an awesome pick up). ugh.
i agree w/ R-Lew and Magnus....but by all means everyone else continue. it's one hell of a read.
God, SEC chicks are hot.
No one here is naive enough to think that coaches never bend the truth, tell white lies, etc. But what Miles did before the game wasn't just giving himself a way out of LSU with generalizations (like he did at the presser).
I don't want someone who can't think straight in a high pressure situation and I don't want someone who would so easily tell such a huge lie and I don't want someone stupid enough not to consider that he's be asked about it again the next chance the press had. Miles is a fuck up.
I think Miles is staying.
LSU very likely is paying a lot more than we are. That is not Carr's fault, ESPN's fault, CBS' fault (even though I wouldn't piss on Danielson or, after today, Tillman if he/they were on fire). If Miles made a business decision to take a lot more money, that's his right.
If so, let's go find a coach.
Miles calls Arkansas Ar-KANSAS. Maybe Harbaugh was right.
i feel like we need a compilation of all the articles/news alerts/garbage that went on this morning/afternoon and cue up some yakety sax. that was awful.
When/If Martin talks to Miles and Miles declines the job, he should ask Les to turn in his Maize and Blue diploma (ala Jim Harbaugh). Les has effectively told UM to f*ck off. Bo must be real proud of this piece of sh!t.
also, trying to root for ut in the seccg is giving me a headache.
ricky rocket-
buy a clue. Michigan wasssssssssssn't the second best team. If you think for a second that we can land Stoop's keep huffing brother. And you might want to start huffing something stronger than elmers glue. Good luck fucktards, you're really beginning to embarrass yourselves.
Gary Danielson "In - out in -out in - out."
I wonder what he thinking about.
old fan-
To say that Miles should vote for Michigan just because he went there is ridiculous. In a case like that you vote based on who you think will be the best, not just because you have ties to the University.
I don't think he made the wrong decision based on any logic.
"If Miles made a business decision to take a lot more money, that's his right."
I totally agree. I just don't want to hear about how UM was his dream job/how much of a Michigan man he is/how much he roots for Michigan, etc. ever again.
Even if MIles ends up at UM, after this there's no way I believe Miles wouldn't bolt for the NFL or another college team with more money in a few years if given the chance.
I forget who Fox's "college football expert" is, but he was just on Fox Sports Radio saying that the leak was definitely out of Michigan's camp, and that "Herbstreit was more right than people want to admit."
Take it for what it's worth, obviously, but this plays very nicely into the LC faction conspiracy theories.
One has to think that--if Bo were still alive, and Les was his choice--this would have never reached the level of "debacle."
Speaking of Harbaugh, I'll bet he feels like a total jackass for trashing UM. If Harbaugh of today could talk to Harbaugh of then, he'd say, "Hey shithead, shut your pie hole because that job's gonna be opening up at the end of this year and you'll have a shot at being welcomed back into A2 like Ceasar himself...like a real conquering hero.
'Ol Jimmy Mouth shit in his nest...and now he can't come home anymore. Shame.
KBlow,
Fair response.
3.35 GPA = Scholar Athlete Award
LOL @ SEC Academics
"I am invading Columbus. The WMD are there."
to the east, north, west and south, somewhat.
Who was he throwing to? Are you kidding me?
LSU picked off. . . .they are sucking bigtime now.
ThWard: It just infuriates me that people are going ape-shit on this Carr thing. We've heard these rumblings for a long time - "Carr doesn't like Miles" - but there's just no real proof of that, let alone that the so-called "Carr faction" in the athletic department (university? universe?) either sabotaged or otherwise took action to stop this from happening. I'm not saying Lloyd likes Miles, Lloyd wants Miles to be the head coach, or that Lloyd tacitly approved this thing. I'm just saying we have absolutely nothing to go on that could pass as fact which suggests he did anything to stop it. Now, it's possible, as Foster suggested, that Miles was/is concerned about these issues. But, that's a big stepped removed from verfiable action on the part of Lloyd or his "faction" to put the brakes on this thing.
One thing we still do know: This morning, Kirk Herbstreit had a strong enough source that he was willing to go on the signature college football show in the country and say, not only that Miles would be taking the job, but that he'd picked an f'ing D coordinater. That's pretty strong stuff. I guess it's possible that in less than an hour Miles changed his mind completely - on a game day, no less - or that Herbstreit was f'ing crazy and got absolute b.s. info, but I doubt it. This shit didn't come out of thin air. Miles was far enough along that he was thinking coordinators. He didn't suddenly realize that Lloyd Carr doesn't like him and just change his mind. He may have taken actions necessary to salvage a pretty big day for his team. He also may have just tried to shut everyone up the best way he (and LSU) knew how. I'm rambling, but the idea that Lloyd woke up this morning and went Lee Harvey Oswald on this thing is just bunk...
well, before this, i wanted miles to beat the crap out of Full-of-shit-mer.
Now, I want Full-of-shit-mer to beat the crap out of the assclown miles.
looks like lsu is going to lose. yay! best news today!
Is there any candidate that excites? I don't want debord, english, or ferentz. Who is out there to please everyone, that michigan would hire? I doubt michigan would hire a up and comer.
Danielson "I hate to say, but I saw what Perrilloux saw." Yeah because you sucked as a QB.
Side note Eric Berry looks nasty, could be the next woodson/bailey type of corner.
Regardless of what is being said to the media I think what is occurring in this game speaks volumes as to whether or not Miles is staying. They are playing like he is leaving...very distracted. I don't know anymore lol.
re: rooting for UT
I hear you. I grew up a Vandy fan and I don't know if I can do it!
tied it up with Harvard
hey, at least we're tied w/ harvard!
It doesn't matter if he moved his hand off the back, it was still there and affected the receivers ability to make the catch.
R-Lew:
100% right. Miles may have changed his mind. LSU may have thrown Saban money at him, and Miles may ultimately care more about that. Or have second thoughts about leaving, etc., etc.
But you're totally right-- he didn't wake up today and all of a sudden think, "Wait-- Lloyd Carr doesn't like me? Then I'm not going!!!"
These message boards are imploding because everyone insists on reacting immediately to whatever bit of "news" they hear.
Deep breaths, everyone.
hire chris peterson or brian kelly, both proven commodities.
hell, even johnson from navy would be a pretty good hire.
KBlow,
I feel your pain. I got my MBA at Vandy. Go to hell, UT, go to hell is a good cheer.
Maybe to certain people truth is equivalent to integrity, but in my position there are just things more important than telling the country how you feel. Even if he has to tell an outright lie, I would not have a problem with him doing it to protect his players and the LSU program. Those things are just more important in my own mind. If he wanted to do everything he could to deflect the situation, then mission accomplished.
Kblow:
If money is that important to him, then he'll stay at LSU. Michigan is probably never going to offer that same kind of money, and everybody knows it.
LSU needs Miles to win this game probably more than Miles needs to win it for himself. The AD will get millions more dollars than if LSU loses. The AD needed Miles to make some kind of statement so his kids would play a great, inspired game, win, go to a BCS game, and make the school some moolah. Miles? He's gonna come out gravy regardless, win or lose. Maybe he loses a bonus, but shit, he's gonna get a big contract either way in a few days.
Well, looking like LSU will go 0-2 their last two games... feels alot like a LC season!
@BinB
I knew we had something in common!
Why is everyone so in love with this guy? Really
i agree re: chris peterson. i'm a little surprised he isn't mentioned more...just b/c he has no ties to the midwest?
@r-lew
I agree that Herbstreit had reliable info. If it was not intentional mis-information, why would someone "close to the program" tell a National TV celebrity (who is obviously going public with the info) on the day of the sECCG that the deal is done when it obviously was not done? The only logical explanation is that someone told KH knowing he would go public and maybe, just maybe, it would blow the deal. I can't see anyone with honest motives close to the program telling the deal is done to a TV reporter when it was not done.
What is our bowl situation looking like? I have heard capital one (possible) and alamo (probable). It would be funny to play LSU in the capital one bowl even though we would get throttled.
alamo slot is filled with PSU
LSU and Ark would kick the shit out of osu and Wisc. No comparison.
PSU to the Alamo, nater. Simple google on that one
u morons need prozac
Nater,
Alamo bowl already accepted PSU
Capitol one is probably going to be ILL unless they can work their way into the Rose.
UM most likely in champs
moscowblue,
That's an illusion. Once they get past their 20's, the southern belles stop being as skinny as the handle and start looking like the bell part. Fat and annoyingly loud.
How do you get an SEC girl in your dorm? Grease her thighs and push like hell.
Speaking from experience (used to be married to one).
Peterson will not be coach of michigan, lets be honest
it's all about the $$$
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com...rt.html?
eref=T1
Champs Sports Bowl... a failure for Michigan, an achievement for Sparty.
Crimony, Michigan/Beilein. Can we just run a modified version of Beilein's offense until he recruits guys that can shoot 3s? I'm sick of everyone getting the green light.
How pissed will LSU fans be if they lose this game but keep Miles and pay him $3mil a year?
"Peterson will not be coach of michigan, lets be honest"
i agree, i just think he should be considered. he's going to be the coach of a bcs school very soon.
What about Butch Davis...... He sucked As the Browns coach, but did win at Miami
Blue in A2:
But, they didn't tell him that the deal was done, hence the "barring unforeseen circumstances" qualifier. It's really not much different than what LSU is saying, if you think about it. LSU is in a position where it can say "we have in agreement in place" which is probably a step shy from what Herbstreit was told this morning concerning Miles and Michigan. In either case, it's not a "done deal" as you're claiming was reported. It's just that LSU has the motive and is in a stronger position to say what it's said. LSU is spinning the facts, I think, to quell the players and get through this game. We'll see what "agreement in place" actually means come tomorrow, or maybe even post-game. Maybe Miles means it - maybe he's staying and he knows it - but that certainly wasn't sewn up at the press conference and Miles had a real opportunity to say "I'm staying, I'm not going to Michigan." I'd dismiss the Wolfson responses as saying what's necessary to get out of the situation.
I agree with most here, that Michigan probably won't get him, but I don't agree that this is over. I also can't sign on to the idea that Herbstreit was fed information intended to blow this thing and that, as a result, Miles suddenly had a change of heart in such a short time period.
@ nc redneck
I'll take them in their 20's. Have you seen the heifers in Ann Arbor? Why do you think I moved to Moscow?
Yeah, he should be considered, but we know for better or worse that Michigan football is one of the most incestuous programs in the nation. If you are not a "michigan man" you have no chance.
Let me ask a question...what if Miles was at Michigan but was a LSU grad and all of this happened in reverse? Would he be admired for not putting the speculation to rest immediately while he told his agent to go negotiate a contract extension with Michigan?
WTF Tommy Amaker beats Wolverines!
We lose to Harvard? 47-45
@BYO
yup, that's why i'm pretty pessimistic about our options at this point.
@hou blue
Great info. Thanks. I agree it was primarily about the money, but you wonder if the outcome would have been different if KH did not announce this breaking story today. I also wonder why would someone close to the program tell KH to begin with.
so were gonna go after the fat boy from kansas then?
@Toronto
the game isn't over yet.
Yeah, me too, pessimistic already
Uh oh, guys. BOYBlue is right. I'm a two time Michigan grad, and my cell phone just got a missed call from "Martin, William."
Bad news is I have no coaching experience and didn't play football past frosh year of HS.
Good news is I'm a "Michigan Man" and I ran the fucking show for my Men's A-team IM football championship team. So don't worry.
johnny, Martin said the coach was the face of the university, not the size of the entire LS&A student body.
dudes, Chris Petersen has a fantastic pedigree. google his interview with Jim Rome preseason and listen to him, he's the real deal.
"so were gonna go after the fat boy from kansas then?"
Believe me, we're lobbying hard!
It's too big a jump for Peterson. And before Tressel comparisons are made remember that Jimmy was already an Ohio name. Peterson plays in a stadium of about 30,000. He has practically no big name boosters to answer to. He has everything to win when he plays his games, the other team everything to lose. It doesn't line up.
ThWard:
I will not believe you are a viable candidate until I receive inside information that the Lloyd faction approves of your candidacy.
(R-Lew: I'm obviously just leveraging this against JB... it's bonus time, and all).
We're gonna end up with Trgovac, it's like Notre Dame all over again: All the top people turn us down including the connected slam dunk (Urban Meyer, Les Miles) and we end up with a seemingly good NFL coordinator who is also an alum.
Hooray dancing lineman commercial!
I don't think it's too big a jump for Peterson if he's a fit. The guy can coach.
ThWard:
Then, I suspect we will get a strong statement from JB alleging there is an agreement in place and that you're staying, quite soon...
@ Ryan
that seems about right.
My guess is Pinkel form Mizzou will be the next coach. No "sources," just my guess.
I live in Boise. I see all his games. I just have my doubts is all.
Dr.Pepper lineman's team needs to evaluate its S&C program. I know a candidate that may be available soon.
I think the guy who updates "Latest plays" for yahoo's box score just moved the phrase "missed 3 pointer" to automatically come up when he presses "F1"
Yeesh. Stop. Shooting. 3. Pointers.
LSU ran a bad ass fake punt
Just FYI, and to toot my own horn, I predicted all of this (a nighmarish scenerio in filling the coaching vacancy in which L. Miles turns us down due to Bill Martin fucking things up) during the tOSU game. Take a gander back at my comments.
All that being said, after seeing LSU for the first time tonight and watching Les' douche bag comments to the sideline reporter, I wouldn't want the idiot at Michigan.
i hope it's not pinkel. they're doing great this year, but misery has been the most under-achieving team in the big12 for the past 3-4 years.
harvard by 4 with 1 minute to play
JW,
You would know better than me then. I have been impressed with his teams. What are your specific concerns?
Despite my opinion of him, I think Mitch Albom may be onto something in his critique of Miles.
man, ut is hitting really hard in this game.
Beilein.
I believe. I do.
But my man, down 4, and the best we can come up with is 3 point attempt from DeShawn Sims? Does he think that he's coaching Dion Sims?
Harvard by 4 30 seconds
maybe we can get harvard's football coach.
Fat ass Phil seems to have brought his A game today, too bad he couldn't do that against the gators.
This media circus is just getting worse. Now ESPN is reporting that he's staying at LSU. Herbstreit blew any credibility he had this morning.
Miles said he's staying but he never specified how long. "I'm staying" could mean through the end of this evening, week or year. he purposely did not clarify the statement. Miles was clearly just pissed that ESPN completely blew up the whole situation. People need to calm down and not be so damn worried about being the first one to report things. ESPN is the only visual media outlet that covers anything sports related - what are they so damn worried about.
The Chancellor and LSU AD's talk amounts to a pile of beans as well because Miles hasn't signed any amended contract. Until he signs a contract and they have a press conference I'm not buying a bit of this fiasco that Herbstreit and ESPN started.
lost by 11...wow
The day of infinite pain...
I remember 10 years ago almost to the date, we upset #1 Duke in basketball, and Woodson won the Heisman that night.
I never thought things could get so bad
I like the balance of his offense, but I think he gets a little too cute at times. The Fiesta Bowl last year is not the exception for the frequency of those plays. Unfortunately, they aren't always as successful. I'm also less than impressed with the defense. If these issues were addressed, it might work.
Who knows, maybe I've just been Lloyd-ed over the past 12 years.
New word:
Llllloydite: n, Lloyd Carr crony, who is most resistant to change.......
while I don't think Miles "suddenly woke up and realized that LC doesn't fully support him" I do think there is the possibility that the entire staff (including many that he may have wanted to retain - like Loeffler) would have been against him.
something tells me that if Bo were alive LM would be AA bound..and he would have made it clear that everyone "fall in line" for the team.
Harvard fans stormed the court as they won. Great
LSU just got 6 free points.
Goddamn...for some reason I'm still rooting for Miles and LSU. I jumped at that pick-6 just now.
I guess I still hope...beyond hope.
Tommy Amaker just beat us by 11.
The god damned plane has crashed into the mountain.
Danielson "threw to the wrong guy" LOL
The funny thing is that the way the SEC game is going, Michigan fans may well figure they got the better end of the deal by the end of the evening.
As crazy as this season has been, that would make sense.
merriman again ahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
they need to show maurice jones drew owning Merriman in this ad.
I blame all of this on LLLLOYD. The MSM mde him look like an angel for getting a 2 year contract extention for the rest of the coaching staff at the end of 2006. Really? Really? So what happens, LLLLOYD, when you retire? Most coaches want to bring in their own staff, LLLLOYD. And, LLLLOYD, even those coaches that would be content to retain some of the current staff would surely get rid of Debord and Gittleson (among others).
Michigan is facing a budget crisis. We can't afford to have two football coaching staffs on the payroll. LLLLOYD is too stupid to realize this.
we better freakin beat osu in hockey tonight 15-0. otherwise....worst. weekend. ever.
wow, amaker beating us is adding insult to injury
MBlue96-
Take it for what it's worth but I was told in September, by a booster, that Bo didn't want Miles as head coach. The exact quote was (and the guy seemed pretty certain that Carr was retiring way back then) "now that the old man is gone, maybe we can get Miles."
I heard Miles and Bo had made up before he passed.
It is really common for departing CEOs to take care of their guys. Lloyd bought them a year of salary in a business where there isn't severance pay...he took a lot less pay than he could have gotten himself. The fact that his assistants are under contract isn't a huge deal.
I hope all the tedford lovers are watching Cal lose to standford. Please keep that guy away from this program bill martin.
Eh, who am I kidding
the game is on VS. no one gets that.
Lloyd Carr made WAY less than he could have. Give me a break on this "he tied Michigan's hands by getting his coaches extensions."
Please. Michigan isn't short on cash.
Trgovac will porobably retain the offensive staff. People get ready.
Trgovac will not be the head coach, Martin said the candidates must have head coaching experience.
Ryan,
My brain just exploded. Thanks a lot. Now I have to clean up gray shit before my wife gets mad.....
I still have my "Harvard, Michigan of the East" t-shirt. That slogan can't be more appropriate today.
*sighs*
Wow... UT is going for 4th down.
Ryan, that would be my nightmare
It wouldn't surprise me that Bo did'nt want Miles. Les leaving is reason enough. The program simply is more focused on dated principles than winning. What will it take for things to change? If anything, Miles was our best chance to at least shake things up and enter the real world. Frankly, i'd rather Carr come back at this point then go with what's left. I think we gotta go outside of college to salvage this whole thing. Pete Carroll 2.0 is as good as we can do at this point. What NFL coaches are realistic?
good god, Cal's O line is being ravaged by stanford
telling a sideline reporter that you're going to be the coach at LSU next year is not the same as siging a contract extension. what's he supposed to say?
nothing definite has happened so far today. sure, miles said he was coming back, but he didn't sign anything. at least yet. might he be returning to LSU? certainly (and it even sounds likely right now). but we have no evidence right now that it's definitively done. so let's relax and wait and see.
maybe we should just hire turner gill and have mcguffie play qb in the wishbone.
Serious concerns with Dorrell losing to USC and going 6-6 that UCLA's going to boot his ass. If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised if they make a play at Kelly and his coast-to-coast offense. Let's hope UM moves quickly.
Rocky Top implodes. . .
Jim Harbaugh Scramble,
Martin backed off that, didn't he? Maybe it was Trgovac from the outset?
@BK is not a thug
Are you suggesting that michigan act quickly to get Dorrell, if so I concur.
What a terrible decision by Ainge.
or we johnson from navy and make mallett a blocking TE and Hemingway the option QB
MoscowBlue,
Too funny. I was just up there and my thought was, wow, the women here are so much more attractive than in NC. Maybe it's LSU. How's Moscow?
Amaker beating us. Wow, I know I was pounded for being impatient and I know Amaker left a mess, but dang, we have to beat Harvard. I know who will be smiling all the way home tonight...
Jim Harbaugh Scramble--
If we don't offer Dorrell quickly, SMU might snap him up.
Jharbaugh: Sure that's what I meant. Either Dorrell or harbaugh.
Mark May about to address the issue on ESPN. Can't wait to hear what brilliant comments he has.
Great point thward, Duke could also mike a play for Dorrell.
Those of you who are still actually commenting on Miles still being in play are missing the point. Michigan has moved on.
if i had checked espn.com this morning and seen only an article stating that miles was going to be our next coach and then seen 3 hours later that miles was staying i would not have been heartbroken. but when herbie reported it was going to be miles with tenuta i went nuts. i think it's the loss of tenuta that hurts. i think there are better coaches than miles, but i felt really good about getting a michigan man if he was already surrounding himself with the best DC.
HERBSTREIT EXPLANATION...hilarious.
agreed stewie
If everyone loves Tenuta so much, why don't we look at him for HC?
"Dated principles"!
Dude, you're so right! Principles ... THAT's what's been holding Michigan back!
looks like a lot of orange at the CapOne Bowl - Illini & Rocky Top.
did herbie just say that he still thinks its gonna happen? good lord.
Herbstreit, who was working the Big 12 championship game for ABC Saturday night, said his information was solid.
"The guy I talked to has always been extremely accurate and he was confident that Les was going to be the Michigan coach," Herbstreit told the AJC. "But if LSU and Miles reacted the way they did, then that is the way the story played out. I felt good about the information when I went with it. I still feel good about it."
http://www.ajc.com/sports/
conten...treit_1202.html
sarcasm?
Losing to Amaker is beyond embarassing, but remember that this roster is all made up of his guys - so it's not exactly flattering to him either.
Beilein will get it done - he has everywhere he's been - but it usually takes him a couple of years to build a program. In the meantime, it can be pretty ugly.
Principles thinks that zone left is the only 1st down play that will ever work.
Ohhhhhh, Principles!!
JHS: I have VersusHD, how random is that. I'm watching Cal suck ass to Harbaugh, but at least the picture is clear.
I've been hoping for Chris Peterson. The man can flat out coach.
Lloyd and his assistant coach just kissed each other on the cheek. That's hilarious.
so what did herbstreit say?
anybody catch miles postgame?
Herbie basically said that Miles staying at LSU isn't necessarily a done deal.
with all the crap that michigan and miles are taking, why no discussion from the espns and cbs's of the world about bo pelini going to neb?
I caught the postgame. It was nothing but congrats to LSU. No coaching questions asked.
@ zach -
LM didn't address the coaching situation post game to the sideline reporter
lou holtz stated that les will not change his mind and will stay at LSU. if it's anything like his pep talks - welcome to A2, les.
Pellini is going to work for Tom Osborne, who still gets a free pass from the press.
@ ben -
good point re osborne
Do you really believe what that he has agreed. In the words of the beloved Mr. Corso -- Not So Fast My Friend.
Bertman leaked a “deal” that he and Bass have negotiated as the best possible LSU counteroffer. Michigan AD has not even met with Les yet. That will happen tomorrow.
Read Bertman’s release, that there is an “agreement” unsigned. That agreement is a contract. It
s not a deal until its signed. Period. We all knew Bass went down to LSU Thursday to negotiate the a counter from LSU.
What is surprising is that LSU has ponied up a counter, before Michigan ever offered. Michigan is still looking at candidates in addition to Miles, and Miles is one of three or four candidates who MAY be offered the job. Nothing is a guarentee at this point.
Les’ comments were “I represent myself”. What do you think that means? It means that Bass does not have authority to sign and bind. He has not agreed to a deal. Authorization to negotiate, and authority to accept a deal are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Les also said: “absolutely” in reply to the question whether he will coach this team next year.before taking the field. Ok. Well, last time I checked the worst possible bowl that LSU could play in is on January 1, 2008. Isn’t that next year?
So Bertman added some pressure on him by leaking an untrue story. Miles wasn’t happy about Herbrstreit’s report, but that report only added one new piece of info — Tenuta. Herbie merely said that Miles will take the job” barring something unforseen. That’s been reported since the third or fourth week of the season.
Bottom line, Les’ has not, and will not sign a contract with LSU until Michigan has hired its coach, whether it be him, or someone else. I respect what he said, b/c as he said before the game, his team was distracted. He is doing/did what he though necessary to get his team ready to play.
When this turns out with him at Michigan, in a week and a half to two weeks, Skip Bertman is going to look like the weasel he is.
Miles would have been an excellent fit, but if it wasn't meant to be then they better find an innovative HC with a staff with the same mindset. The talent is there, UM needs a coach with a game plan that other teams will fear.
and just to add to Ben's comment . It's Michigan, everything in some way shape or form ends up our fault, or nothing we ever do is good enough.
Fat Bastard,
If your point is correct, then why would LM say something as definitive as he will "definitely" be back at LSU next year (and I don't buy this "technically Jan 1, 2008 is next year" excuse)? It would have been easier for him to say, "I addressed it at my press conference and I have a game to coach so talk to me about this after."
did Miles ever really say that Michigan is his dream job? or is that an exaggeration?
Go WVU
tenuta is the DC...completely different situation. not saying it should be that way, just that that's the way it is. that news isn't as big as swapping HC from one big time BCS team to another.
Herbie is just sticking by his story & source. he gave 2 reasons why LSU had the PC:
1) they got tired of the M stuff and really did come to an agreement last minute.
2) it's a smokescreen that lets the team (and it's supporters i suppose) focus on the SEC title. he can still choose to go to M next week.
Guys.... All Les Miles knows is that he is under contract at LSU, has a big extension offered to him, had a big game to play today, and another big one in a month. He has no official offer from Michigan and may never get one. For him to say "I will absolutely be the coach at LSU next year" is actually true - until Michigan offers. He did not lie, nor did he say anything unexpected. It's never over 'til it's over...
Fat Bastard-
Clever take but you might be giving too many savvy points to Les if you think he only meant that he'd "technically" be back next year (as in Jan 1st bowl game and not in the fall). I don't think he'd be that measured with his words.
The dude's been bought by LSU. Frankly, UM can't even get him on layaway at this point.
But we tried.
samsoccer
my fiance just said the exact same thing lol.
Call me an idiot, I still hold out hope he is coming.
I've been reading this blog for a while. I have never posted before, but feel compelled to, due to the events of today.
Forget about Les Miles. I think we were going after the wrong coach.
My friends told me that Miles was best for the job because he understood the OSU rivalry better than anyone. I felt we weren't giving the best man the job, but rather the 'Michigan Man' the job. Well, the last time we gave the 'Michigan Man' the job, we ended up with Lloyd. The last time we had a real coaching search we ended up with Bo.
I think Les would have been a good coach. But I think Brian Kelly has a chance to be a great coach.
Not only that, but Kelly’s got the experience for the job. DeBord left CMU in shambles, but Kelly completely turned around the program. Who is more qualified to turn around a mess left by DeBord, than someone who has already done it?
00goblue00
Then your fiance is a smart man :) Just kidding of course. She must be hella cool to be thinking and talking about this topic.
Samsoccer-
Actually I am the lady and my fiance is the male. Roles reversed, he should be the one on here but I am. :)
This just in. ESPNews is worthless. They've had zip from Atlanta after the game. I know that the coaches spend some time with the team after, but you'd think they'd have someone on the scene with something to say......
Re: Brian Kelly-
Guys (and gals), we don't want him. The guy will bolt the second after he's beaten OSU and won a bowl game for us. And for those who say "so what, at least we'll get a few good years from him," I say this: Do you want to be going through this exact same shit again in a few years?
We need stability, not a a prima dona bed-hopper.
Kelly sure would bring an exciting show to AA, I have watched him since GVSU days. Kelly and Tenuta would be a hell of a combo.
my fear is that miles was the only candidate who seemed to have enough backers to overcome the llloydites. if he's out, i don't see us hiring kelly or anyone else who will really make a drastic change. man i hope i'm wrong.
Kirky is on ESPNews...he is still confident and stands behind his comments.
I hope Brian at least made some good money today. 4000+ comments? 300 people on the site every second? Hopefully this was successful for him.
Big Jim:
I was wondering the same thing. I don't remember hearing Les himself talk about Michigan as his dream job. There is a close friend of his who talks to the Detroit media quite a bit. I can't remember his name but he always insinuated that Les would jump at the chance.
ThWard:
Shooting a constant rain of 3s is basic to Beilein's offensive system.
Fat Bastard,
Good analysis on Miles' comments today. I think you are spot on there.
Until Bill Martin calls a news conference to announce Miles' official withdrawal, I still hold out hope.
Bill Martin needs to take a lesson from Skip Bertman and use the media to get the heat off his back. His strange silence has blown up the search into a circus. He should hold daily press conferences until the press loses interest.
00goblue00-
What exactly did kirk say in defense of his abjectly bullshit newsflash?
Bluebelle - you are thinking of former Michigan QB John Wangler. He claims to be Miles' 'best friend'.
@ Yooperblue
Where would Brian Kelly go after Michigan? I'm not saying you're wrong. But Michigan is a prestigious program that's elite/almost elite. It's about as high as you can go in football, unless you're headed to the NFL.
So far each of Brian Kelly's job changes have been steps up. He would be almost at the top at Michigan.
Move on from Les Miles - Tommy Amaker is the future of Michigan football!
Yes, Worldwide Leader. That's who I am thinking about. He seemed to be quoted in the Det News all the time.
bluewolver-
well aware. hence my earlier point about running a modification of it until Beilein gets the proper personnel.
He said
Someone close to him told him the Miles to Michigan was a done deal and he stands behind it and that either LSU reached a last minute decision with him to counter offer Michigans deal or that they pulled this stunt for the game today.
im sad that our head coaching descision has become as much of a debacle as our season. maybe we should just have lloyd back for one more year. (that is not a serious comment, before people see it and go crazy).
i should have stayed in kazakhstan. the distance numbs the pain, and there are no, repeat, no, o*** s**** fans.
@Magnus-
Rumors about his "dream" to coach at BC or out east...also the lure of going to the NFL.
I agree with you that UM is the creme de la creme of college jobs...it's because of that that it also might make the perfect springboard to the nfl for a saban-like mover.
goddamit the refs called leaping and have just gave Oregon the game. DAMN YOU!
espnews is going to show the lsu press conference.
ESPNews will carry the Miles post-game comments when ever they happen.
yooper:
Herbie is just sticking by his story & source. he gave 2 reasons why LSU had the PC:
1) they got tired of the M stuff and really did come to an agreement last minute w/ miles.
2) it's a smokescreen that lets the team (and it's supporters i suppose) focus on the SEC title. he can still choose to go to M next week.
also, everyone 'in the know' i've every heard says BKelly isn't even being considered. unless you think Holth & mark may are close to the situation.
EDSBS and some here have a hard time believing that Les would 'parse' his works so carefully. Not so. Think about how very careful he has been from week 3 on. He has NEVER denied interest. He did NOT DENY interest today. Not once. He said he was not interested in talking to anyone else. That was in front of reporters, where he asked not to be asked any more questions until after.
Taken together with what happened against RKansas and everyone's desire at LSU to win this game it is not surprising this came down the way it did.
If Les is offered, he's coming. Period.
He may not get an offer. Anyone else here the same thing about Stoops on A2 radio? I'm thinking Rodriguez, Stoops, Gruden, Ferentz, and Schiano are all in play, including Les.
Actually, with TB likely in the playoffs, probably drop him off now.
LSU presser -- any time for that? All I've been seeing is 2 minutes of highlights/news and 5 minutes of commercials with the same pattern over and over.
I still think he's coming to Michigan.
Hockey team up 3-0 against OSU.
Solid!
MoscowBlue -
And Im sure those babushkavites find you a real catch......
I welcome Trgovac as our new overlord and the rest of you will, soon.
how is herbstreit's report "abject bullshit"? les miles has not signed an extension with lsu yet. if miles signs with UM on monday and brings tenuta on as his DC, will his report still be abject bullshit? i don't see how you can call BS on herbstreit when NOTHING DEFINITIVE has yet happened. what were miles and lsu supposed to do - let their team be even more distracted than they already were? coaches will always say what's best for their team, even if it means lying to reporters. and i honestly don't have a problem with that.
YooperBlue: I'm a Yooper too, born in Ontonagon, but to be clear your views do not represent me or a lot of posters on this board. Many of us would be thrilled to have Brian Kelly and his coast-to-coast offense turning the Quiet House upside down. He stayed at GVSU for 15 years despite all his success. Saying he'll bolt for the pros is pure speculation. Wouldn't it be a nice change of pace to have a coach who was actually wanted by someone other than U of M?
Once a Michigan Man, always a Michigan Man. He comes, he stays.
@ stewie
Word.
Red Berenson. Let him coach football.
I think Kirk has a lot more to lose than the LSU AD does. I don't think he would have gone with this if there wasn't a great deal of validity to it. Bertman can really get away with lying and saying hes going to stay. He's not just going to be like oh you are right he is leaving, especially before the SECCG. Bertman is not going to say oh yeah Les is leaving until he actually is leaving. I think Kirk is being honest.
Alex thx for the update.
no time given for the post-SECCG presser
MICHIGAN BBALL LOST TO HARVARD. What a statement for Amaker. Unbelievable.
Bertman is also gone after this year right? So WTF does he even really care other than the BCS money they're gonna get?
….something doesn’t smell right with this whole LM thing….
Why does anyone think Bob Stoops would leave for another college job????
Herbstreit has been above reproach on ESPN. He's given Michigan plenty of respect and to be honest, I've never had a problem with him. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until this thing totally shakes out.
Isn't the LSU AD retiring? He's the one with nothing to lose.... other than a HC and DC.
This has NOT been a good day....and now let's watch Mizzou lose to OU and put OSU into the BCS Championship
Truth is, we need Les...no other coach worth a damn is on our list an interested in the job. Schiano and Teford are not interested. Kelly is not on the list. O'Brien, Grobe, and Ferentz are cruel jokes. We need Les. I think it is game over though.
Muri-
Has Rutgers coach said he wasn't interested?
GoBlueChicago, stewie, magnus :
word.
This is looking like Alabama circa January 2007....drinking has commenced.
Oh, and YooperBlue, say he does come and go to the pros. If that happens it probably means he has tremendous success at U of M. I can live with 5 years of greatness, even if it means our coach moves on to something else. But to say we need stability and Kelly doesn't represent stability is pure speculation. Stick with the facts: A innovative successful coach who has won wherever he has gone. That was this program needs.
Are there any other coaches with even one year of Michigan coaching experience who could be viable? I mean seriously, any single one? Brady Hoke can you hear me?
Brian Kelly is not a thug-
If we can't get Brian Kelley as the coach, I at least want Chuck Martin as the Defensive Coordinator. Then if the next coach bolts good riddens we have our next Michigan Man.
Dammit Harbaugh, why were you so stupid?
I'm not completely sold on Les Miles no longer being a candidate. I won't be totally convinced until someone signs a contract, either somebody is hired at Michigan, or LSU signs his new contract. For now I'm drinking beer, and watching the Big 12 championship (with no ill will towards Herbstreit).
At work, anyone know where I can listen to the LSU presser online?
I didn't think Stoops would be interested. The word is he made contact. I don't know for sure, but that is what I heard.
As far at the rest of them (other than Gruden possibly) they are all intersted. We've got our choice of Schiano, RRod, Tedford, Kelly, or Miles, and probably Ferentz.
I doubt we would offer Kelly -- major baggage. But he is a shoe-in if we offer.
Blue - he turned down Miami (where he used to coach), just bought a big house, and has given no indication that he has any interest at all in leaving. I obviously don't know what he is saying behind the scenes, but he has to have a "low probability" rating at this point.
and when you think about how much money was at stake today for lsu, it makes even more sense for them to have that press conference. lsu would stand to make a lot more money going to a bcs game than another bowl, hence having a focused team benefits them. maybe miles' anger stemmed simply from the report coming out before the SEC CG. or, who knows, maybe miles really is staying. we just don't know.
Brian Kelly would be a horrible choice. MSU and Iowa State both turned him down because of character issues. Are we really going to take State's leftovers?
Bring on Schiano.
Well if Stoops called, Martin ought to be on the next plane to Norman.
LLOYD CARR A FESTERING BOIL ON THE ASS OF THIS PROGRAM!!!...there...I feel better now
its on now. espnews
lsu presser on espnnews starting now
BK is not a thug-
He's got issues...none are horrible or couldn't be overcome but put them together with his desire to coach BC or in the pros and he isn't a top tier candidate.
Fat Bastard:
Why would Rich Rod come to Michigan? West Virginia is his alma mater and there's a good chance he's playing for the NC.
dammit I'm at work! someone keep me posted on the presser!
miles on now espn news...not talk of M job
sam-
right now they are questioning players. I will let you know when it gets to the good stuff lol.
NyBlue-
One comment does not make 4 character issues. Lets check your baggage moron.
just talking to lsu players now
Thank you!
No9,
I'm not going to believe that until there's proof.....but I'm glad you feel better!
re LSU presser..
No questions for Miles? Is this normal or is he not taking questions personally?
Good for them, focusing on the players and the game first.
But come on already :)
@YooperBlue: Jim Tressel was 47 when he became HC at OSU. Brian Kelly is 46. Sure Kelly has had 2 more jumps than Tressel but those were necessary given that GVSU wasn't D-IA and Mt. Pleasant is pretty much a dump (no offense Chips, I had good experiences there).
Here is something to ponder
If Miles says next "season" I would believe he is gone...if he says next "year" I wouldn't count on it.
The word season to me has more stake in terms of college football.
they just started w/ the players is all.
GingellBrabbs-
They are going to get to Miles. He wanted them to talk to the players first
wait i got that backwards...if he says next season, he is staying...if he says year, I wouldn't count on it. I just had several glass of wine so things aren't coming out right!
If and when they get to Miles, plz. update.
Ahhh... ok...I saw him talking but missed the audio on the beginning, so wasn't sure if they actually did their thing with him or not.
i want to know if there will be any statements from BM.
MSU also passed on Urban Meyer when they hired John L Smith, so how about if we not rule people out based on that?
Gingell-
I'm sure when they get to him, that will be the very first thing asked lol.
DanK-
The fact Bill Martin has not said anything yet still leads me to believe that Miles is still in the running.
they started with comments but no questions from LM
i'm freightened when watching these "student athletes" talk and answer questions...not the sharpest tools in the shed.
miles just had general statements about the game to start it off....nothing worth restating.
Kelly is overrated. Facts are facts... his Div 2 resume does not impress me.
Your namecalling shows your maturity level. We need a character coach - Kelly has a questionable record.
Only way Martin will say anything is if Miles removes all doubt about his intentions in the next few minutes.
Mike DeBord for coach! HE IS SOOOOOOO GOOD! Look at what he did with CMU! I know the Mich administration will come to its senses and pick him. Its goal is to run the program into the ground :)
Does somebody have a direct quote from Brian Kelly that can support these "issues" I'm always hearing about from the anti-Kelly faction. Didn't he just say something like African Americans don't trust the cops b/c of how/where they grew up?
I've posted this stuff before - State passed on Kelly b/c they needed a safe bet after John Looney. He was the runner-up. Sparty isn't Sparty because they make good hiring decisions. The fact Kelly fell through just supports what we already know about that administration.
one more question for players and then its on to Les.
LM coming up after this question...whichis also about the coaching situation
oh good...dr. pepper is sponsering the big12 championship game too.
questions for miles now
BTW: Bertman is not "retiring" so far as I know. He's under contract until 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski...ki/
Skip_Bertman
But take a look at Miles press conf. from this afternoon, and the glare that he gave this guy. Les is coming if offered.
First question: you left wiggle room. I want you to know its very difficult for me to take another job if I'm not talking to anybody.
Miles is a huge duechebag. do you seriously want this guy to be the next coach here? R-KANSAS? WHAT? That comment alone should have removed him from consideration. He has been converted to a dumb southerner.
Looks like the Michigan job isnt as coveted as you all like to think...ahaha. maybe that is why Ferentz told them not to bother with moving forward. I will piss myself if your OC or English get the promotion solely based on the fact that nobody that is worth anything wants to coach at Mich.
maybe you should offer Tressel $5M!!!!
Glad to be home.
he just called LSU "home."
just called lsu home
TOTALLY beating around the "leaving" bush
are you kidding me? dumbass question about the game? who gives a flying fuck? more about the job, damnit!
that pretty much does it for me.
He also called Okie State home...
He's not talking to anyone because we had to wait until after this game! That's wiggle room enough for my 165 pounds to squeeze through!
Douchebag reporters. Ask the question. "Will you listen to an offer from Michigan?"
Hey Michigan fans! Im about to be fired from my current job so how about I come take over your program? You know Michigan does not look for talent at coaching, just someone to run the ball up the center and maintain "high academic standards." Plus, think what I could do for the whole "Michigan diversity campaign!" GO BLUE!
next!
ask him about "next season"!!!
I don't want them to keep asking questions about the job. He just skirted around it and I don't want him to be backed into a corner any more. Leave the door open just a little bit.
he's definitely at LSU next year -- Jan. 1, 2008 at the Sugar Bowl. beyond that ...
didn't he say "there is no wiggle room" when answering the first question?
No - ask the damn questions and get this put to bed for everyone.
anyone know how much $$ they are paying him in the extension...heard something about $30M...that's a lot of scratch
MSM sucks in sports just as bad as in politics...
yes, "no wiggle room"
he didn't say unequivocally when given every opportunity to say "I'm here at LSU and I'm not going to Michigan."
He said that nothing else has been offered yet....a plea for Martin to offer him something??
@ GO BUCKEYES:
You are simply a moron. Sorry I don't normally call you trolls out as such, but your comment is seriously lacking in thought process -- I suppose that is to be expected assuming your a grad of that place where if you get rid of 30k students you might have a ranking better than one half of SEC schools.
You're just upset that Miles and Tenuta are headed to UM. C'mon now, you know you are.
00goblue00: I love your presence on this board for more reasons that one, but I got plead with you to let go of the Miles thing. He's not coming. He said he ABSOLUTELY will be the coach at LSU next year. He would not do a Saban to those people in LSU. Just speculation but I'm sure he developed some good relationships with a lot of folks down there in the post-Hurricane Katrina days. I don't know Les, but he really doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would tell a boldfaced lie. He's not coming to A2. Please give up the guessing game. He said loud & clear what his intentions were.
BUT, please keep your posting. And a few more pictures would be nice. :)
he said he feels bad for Michigan that they were put in this situation by the media.
Les still won't come out and say no (or yes)...what a fuck up
We're 99.9% hosed.
Brian Kelly = John L. Smith
Did any of you watch the CMU-BC game? He also wouldn't release a transfer from his scholarship at Cinci. They lost to Pitt this year. Pitt, the one coached by the Wannstache.
No way. I want Miles or Rodriguez.
Bob Davie just left the broadcast of the UA-ASU game ... he'll be introduced at a presser tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. This has just been confirmed!!!
dude...seriously...ask the question: would you consider a compeditive offer from michigan?
Well, count me in the crowd of people who don't want Miles anymore. He's a good coach and all, but the feeling has to be mutual- if Miles isn't sure he wants the job, then we definitely don't want him.
I'm glad to see Louth Holth mention Brian Kelly as a candidate, because it seems like everyone else in the media refuses to mention him as a candidate (maybe because Michigan refuses to consider him?).
And, despite what pecoshelga says, I doubt that Michigan has made a full-blown effort for Stoops, and I'd still like to see that happen. Even after Miles saying 'no,' I'd still be ok with Stoops saying 'no.'
Is it me, or did our list of viable candidates with head coaching experience just get severely reduced?
I am drinking very heavily right now.
BK is not a thug,
I understand your pessimism, but your posts of "There's no way...it's not gonna happen, get over it" are no more insightful, or true, than those who give posts of "There's still a chance, don't lose hope."
Jesus buddy, get over yourself.
Damn you ESPNnews.
why? why would they cut it off like that? noooo
wtf,
espn just cut away
Have any of the reporters outright asked him if he is still willing to meet with Michigan? If he'd be willing to entertain an offer?
It all sounds bleak to me. The "absoulutely" to LSU is pretty convincing. If he added in "absolutely not" to Michigan than I believe it is over. I'd like to hear him state that clearly though.
yeah, nice time to cut out of the coverage...more people care about this than the ASU UA game.
'cuz there's nothing left to "report" except that BOB DAVIE WILL BE NAMED THE NEXT MICHIGAN COACH!
Brian Kelly is not a thug-
I'll give up on Miles when you give up on Kelly. Miles hasn't said anything that to me that indicates 100% he is staying in my opinion. Sorry. And he already did pull a Saban on Oklahoma State...if you want to get technical.
Guys,
If Bob Stoops has ANY interest, we should talk to him. I would feel a lot better about him saying no than this circus.
I would welcome Miles in the Big Ten. i cant wait to see him go for it on 4th and 11 at the OSU 48yd line in the second quarter. I will then come to this site and laugh my ass off as you all want him fired.
HE LOST TO A ONE MAN SHOW in ARKANSAS with the NC hanging in the balance. Arkansas is bad, really bad. If that happened to UM, they would be calling for his head. I cant wait. we will get another 5+ years of B10 Titles.
What do you want the guy to say to these questions? They were all softballs and since he doesn't have an 'official' offer from Michigan in hand, this is exactly what he has to say to the questions that are asked. Unless someone grows a set and asks directly, "Will you listen to any offers from Michigan", the crap we just heard is useless.
yea, no matter what your beliefs about todays events are, miles still has a better shot at the HC job than kelley
UM96: Think about what you're saying. CMU almost beat Boston College in the Motor City Bowl. Just a year removed from the DeBoring destruction and they gave a highly touted BC team all they could handle. His overly aggressive playcalling was knocked during that game, but his overly aggressive playcalling got them a lead in the first place and made the game really close. I'll take overly aggressive playcalling any day of the week after what I've been watching for 25 years.
No defense on losing to Pittsburgh but this guy has won championships. At GVSU, the MAC, and was playing West Virginia last week for the right to another one in his first year in the Big East. He is no John L. This guy is smart, eloquent and knows how to win championships.
that douche who wrote the article is talking about it during the mizzou game
@ Worldwife Leader,
Exactly, well put.
Herbie talking about his sources right now on ABC....
UUUggghh. Lady and Gentlemen. He has said nothing. NOTHING. He has not, nor will he deny interest in the Michigan job.
Of course he would say he feels bad for the Michigan people after the Herbie report this morning.
NO ONE has authority to bind him to the deal, other than Les himself. For herbie to report what he actually reported, that he would take the job, is nothing new. But, It was presented as a deal had been reached.
The tenuta thing -- you just don't make that stuff up. Anyone surfing the Yellowjacket boards?
God, West Virginia is shitting the bed like scared little kittens against Pitt. PITT! tOSU might back into the BCS title game. Damn!
why is herbie still talking?
go back to cheating on your wife with co-eds and get off tv you idiot
wtf -
BO told me to go to LSU? jackass
It's probably those butt-ugly unis that WV is wearing. Yikes - between them and what Oregon was wearing today, I need a new TV.
Les is not answering this question right now. He's just rambling.
Herbie just said something really important. His sources from this morning were people close to MILES, not UM sources.
I think maybe Mitch Albom has it right. This was all about Miles using Michigan to get some serious cash from LSU.
WWL-
I agree. someone should just ask the damn question already.
@Fat Bastard
Yeah, I've been wondering about that too. So Herbstreit's source didn't have it right on Miles coming to Michigan, but who was his source on Tenuta? Where the hell did that come from? Clearly, Herbstreit got that wrong too, right?
nevermind
ipasdgjkasgjklasdgasd. He just said it. He's not coming here. It saddens him but he can't be two places at once.
LM: "I will always be a Michigan Man"
No you won't you c***sucker.
And "I'm not going there."
That;s it.
He just said that he is not going there (meaning UM)
thats all folks
According to Herbstreit, LSU offering LM more money is an "unforeseen event", meaning KH was accurate at the time he made the report.
why teunta agree to come to UM without knowing who the HC would be? That rumor, too, is probably BS.
herbie = CYA
Herbie said he had "multiple" sources. He goes on to say that maybe the ESPN story this morning prompted LSU to "beat Michigan to the punch". Or he says that this is all smokescreen.
Of course, Tenuta knowing nothing about his new job was also unforeseen
00goblue00:
As I told old fan earlier, check the differences between the statements from Les:
OK STATE:
"I am really happy here...this is a place I want to be"
JUST a little less committal than
LSU:
"I ABSOLUTELY will be coaching at LSU next year."
Do you not see this as being much different?
Why is Nick Saban looked at as a thug for doing "what he did to LSU". Any school is bitter when they like a coach and they leave. Is a coach supposed to be locked into a school just because everyone there likes him?
And don't give me any bullshit about being under contract. We all know contracts don't mean shit, especially in sports. Big effin deal he was under contract. If one side can terminate, the other side can too.
So, my point is, people who are saying, like Musberger, "in order to leave know, miles would have to walk down the same road as Saban." Who the fuck cares? Jesus christ. Do you think Miles cares about what Saban did? Fact is, if miles really wants to go to michigan and the money is as good or better, then he'll go. He has to do what's best for him. Just like any of us with any of our jobs. Yes, it would be sad to let down the people at your own company, but you have to look out for yourself.
Miles may be a man of morality and integrity, but in my mind, that means he is going to make what he feels is the best decision for him and his family. We'll soon find out what he thinks is the best decision.
I guess Miles owes him a percentage of his new salary.
The worrisome part is that Miles was the only candidate that would have brought some real change. The other candidates will most likely fall into the Ferentz mold.
Can't wait for the Schiano era. If we're lucky.
Tenuta and Miles had to be a package deal. My bet is he the next DC in Baton Rouge.
Took him long enough - sheesh. But at least that page can be turned now. Would have been interesting for sure... next!
We will not get Schiano. He will never leave rutgers.
It ain't over yet.
Think Nick Saban and Roy Williams.
Don't believe anything until it's signed.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! 00goblue00 IS GOING TO GIVE UP! And Meeechigan Dan and Fat Bastard too.
Finally we can move on to a more productive conversation.
BLOYD BLOOD HAS LEFT THE BUILDING! HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY!
Bill,
He was specifically asked about Tenuta if Pellini goes to nebraska and said that he had not even thought about it.
Well, if Herbstreit's sources were close to Miles, then he lied on national TV this morning when he said his sources were close to Michigan.
I'm a little surprised (though not really) that the ESPN editorial staff overseeing Herbstreit let him go this far out on a limb. He got the Tenuta thing wrong too, yet it seems like he and ESPN want to conveniently forget that. All in all, a red letter day for Herbstreit and his "journalist" skillz.
i'd love to hear what BM has to say now....
BKIAT-
Do you find it necessary to argue with every fan on here that doesn't agree with your viewpoint? I respect your passion for wanting Brian Kelly here but realize I am entitled to my opinion and if a week from now I still want to hold out hope Miles is coming here, I can and will...
Dreisbach to Hayes: Do you care to adjust your previous critique of my critique?
maybe lloyd will coach next year....
Herbstreit says his sources were in Ann Arbor - where Miles still has numerous friends. Both in and out of the M athletic dept.
lloyd coaching next year sounds good to me at this point
00goblue00: It's just the ignorance that bothers me. LOL.
yea thug...BKelley is not a productive area of discussion eother.
My take on this is that the LSU AD made a shrewd move. He publicly announced that he had given permission to U-M to talk to Miles, but not until after the SEC title game. This put U-M and Miles in a bind. They certainly couldn't reach any agreement that would be announced until after the game. Then the LSU AD threw a ton of cash on the table and made Les do a double-take. He took the cash.
I think this was about the $$ as well as Lloyd's behind-the-scenes politicing to kill LM.
I think there are still a lot of great candidates out there, but I was very excited about Miles + Tenuta combo. Not sure where we are heading now, but the person will NOT have Michigan ties. This will truly be a fresh start, which means that the current staff is out.
You think it's ignorance because you don't agree...
Lifes a bitch, move on...
why has Tedford fallen off the radar?
@WWL
That doesn't explain Herbstreit getting it totally wrong on Tenuta. Herbstreit f'ed this up, IMO, and now he's trying to claim that LSU changed the story in the 11th hour. But that does not explain his story on Tenuta.
so, of what seem like the remaining options, is worse: (1) deboard as HC; or tgovac/english as HC w/ deboard as OC?
This is a train wreck---beginning with the Ferenz drama, continuing with the flight tracking, and concluding with the Miles soap opera. I want to look away but I can't quite make myself.
I was so excited about the next era of Michigan football. Now I feel absolutely deflated.
@Brian Kelly is not a Thug
You need to chill
Wolverine in S. FL - Most of what you wrote is probably true, but don't assume the staff is gone. Mike Debord and Andy Moeller might be haunting us again for a couple more years.
LSU just showed unclassy of a program it is. Bill Martin waited, out of respect, for Les Miles and his team, only to get it shoved into his face. As for LSU's AD, he's a moron and jackass. "Les never wanted to go to Michigan." Apparently he did, a lot, so much so that he had to have a clause in his contract making his departure to Big Blue a cool 1.25 million. It's unfortunate that it couldn't have worked out. This has all been one big screw up. I don't want Les Miles a.k.a. a 4 million dollar coach who hasn't even won a national championship. I want a coach who understands commitment and respect. Screw LSU. Let's go blue.
i'm telling you, this time next year, we'll all wish lloyd was still at the helm.
00goblue00: Look, I don't enjoy arguing with you because I think you're a really nice person but the fact that there are something like 600 comments on this thread all relating to whether Miles meant what he said when he was ABSOLUTELY clear was so mind-boggling to me. And while we're just getting it out there, a few less "lol's" would be appreciated. Just saying...
@BK is not a thug.
No, I believe the critique was something along the lines of "You believe what you want, let others believe what they want...neither side is correct until it's over, 'til then it's just opinion.
Again, coaches quite frequently, in all sports, say one thing, then do the other w/ regards to contracts and jobs. What is Miles supposed to say? He's interested? He'll hear offers? To say that would be crossing an unnecessary bridge. Why create even more of a circus, especially when you don't have to? All he has to do, if he wants, is tell the media one thing, then go talk to BM if he wants. If it doesn't pan out, then no one is the wiser. If it does, then and only then will he have to deal with the scrutiny.
Someone said to you earlier...you don't have to argue with people. This isn't a debate site. Most normal people just drop a few lines about their opinions, submit jokes, etc. Jesus Christ, buddy, take it easy a bit. Relax, let others think what they want. You can let your opinion known, but just take it easy on others opinions a bit.
In short, try not to be such a douchebag.
Debord will NEVER be the U-M coach, even if Lloyd doesn't get that. The big money donors would have an f-ing COW if that were to happen. The guy wasn't successful at CMU and told them he wasn't cut out to be a head coach. How can he possibly sell himself now to U-M?
cfaller96, Fair enough. Although it's clear that Miles is staying at LSU, I hope that this story doesn't go away as far as what really happened today to get to this point.
Could it be any more apparent that all this needing permission to talk crap and backdoor dealing stuff is pretty stupid for everyone?
BK is not a thug...
seems though you are not liked here. You have issues. If I was not liked in a certain place, I would tend to leave, not make myself look like even more of a prick.
Can we at least have a press conference with Bill Martin vowing never to hire DeBord or Ferentz? That would cheer me up...
Why didn't the LSU AD have Les sign the contract this morning? That would have put all the speculation to rest. Methinks it's still a smokescreen.
Wolv in S. FL - That wasn't what I meant. I simply meant that we shouldn't assume that the new coach is going to let the staff go. With Miles, probably. One of the other stiffs they are apparently considering (if you believe Angelique Chengalis), not so fast.
f-it...i'll coach,
I'd rathjer have English or Trgovac as HC.
@mike
i don't think he can sign it until it goes through the university board.
BKINAT-
wow. just wow. First I wasn't the only person on here who held out hope he was coming. Second I think you're a nice person, but lets just throw more shit in my face instead of ending the argument and now start critiquing my posts? Awesome.
Anyone not named LM is going to be on a very short leash. Not looking forward to a revolving door at the HC's office.
It would be nice if the Michigan Athletic Department would issue some sort of statement but they wont.
Pat white injured
mike74
it has to be approved by the board of regents first on the 6th........
Mike74:
I'm guessing because Miles need his attorney (or attorneys) to look over it first. It sounds like they were up late Friday negotiating.
I don't see any harm in someone with Miles background telling the truth and saying he'd like to hear what Michigan has to say. Being upfront about it and then making your decision leaves a much better impression - one way or the other.
If there isn't a shocking change in the next few days, I think the chances of Miles returning to Ann Arbor will be gone forever the way this all went down.
Crap, Wolverine in South Fla is right. Even the SEC Athletic Directors have more speed than ours. I can't wait to hear that on Birmingham radio Monday. I'm going to buy a satellite radio.
00goblue00:
I was holding out hope with you.
@WWL
I've been wanting to say that Bill Martin hasn't made any mistakes in this process, but I can't. The one mistake he made was a doozy, in hindsight- he should not have sought permission from the LSU AD until AFTER the SEC Champ. All he had to do was sit tight for a f--king week, and I think that would have made things a lot easier on Les.
Instead, Les felt pressure, and right or wrong, he perceived that pressure was coming from the wrong places (Lloyd and his staff). Thus, the change of heart.
That was the one mistake Martin made. Les wasn't going to sign an extension with LSU, not until AFTER the SEC Champ. It didn't have to be this way.
Oh well. Moving on.
@ Dreisbach to Hayes:
Best signature, EVER.
As far as Miles. You guys are too quick to the punch. Unless Miles just intended to use Michigan as a ploy, it's not over. I don't believe that he and Wangler would have done that.
When and IF he signs that deal, we'll know.
BTW, since Brians quote notes December 6, which is this Thursday, and we'll still be interviewing then, this is a lot of smoke, and nothing more.
And to my shagrin, Kirk Ferentz is definitely NOT out of the running.
"Even the SEC Athletic Directors have more speed than ours."
t-shirt, anyone?
Does anyone remember Carr's comments about how the Michigan job seeks the candidate, as if it is just so highly desired a position that almost nobody can say no? Well, apparently he was wrong! Once again...FUCK HERBIE!!! That COCKSUCKER!!! And probably, though not confirmed...screw you too D-Howard!!! Asshole!
@Brian Kelly NAT,
You are missing the point that Miles said those things while signing an extension to stay at Okie State.
He then bailed a week later. Yes, that is in fact turning your back on a commitment. Maybe everyone does it, but it is still exactly what you are saying he absolutely will not do.
He signed the paper and then bailed.
Also, if you are using sarcasm, it is imperceptible. Is JUST the same as saying "just" while rolling your eyes, or highlighting that they are actually the same thing. You should work on your clarity.
BlueBelle-
And we may have been some of the few on this board holding out hope, but def not in the state of Michigan :) Oh well. Mediocrity here we come!
Callahan,
Sorry, wasn't responding to you. Someone had made a comment about Debord becoming HC. Don't see it happening. EVER.
f-it...i'll coach,
To elaborate, Trgovac and English likely have their own ideas about offense. I think Trgovac's being undervalued because of the Weiss thing, but he'd be better since he's a defensive guy.
English would hire his own staff, I can just tell he would. Maybe keep DeBord as an assistant head coach.
Martin was in a lose-lose situation. He doesn't officially make a request, it's viewed as a snub and LSU locks him up this week anyhow. Do what he did and it blows up like this.
The only person that could have made the situation 'right' to Michigan was Miles. And he chose not to. That should speak volumes as to what Bill Martin is thinking about now.
@ Fat Bastard,
Thanks, I used to go by "Guttierez to Bass" but that one never really panned out.
@Dreisbach to Hayes: Calling someone a douche is something I have not done here today. I've been very frustrated with what had been an absolutely beautiful blog until this coaching search started and I've had to watch what you used to be a pretty intelligent conversation turn into a 3rd grade rumor mill, lead by Brian. Don't tell me to go anywhere - I've been here all year long - I don't recall hearing much from you before today which is just fine IMO.
I'm talking to The Douche Watchdog. There may be still be room in the ranking for you.
i'm looking forward to the coach after our next coach
I have been chugging cask-strength Macallen for half a day and am still bitter. I am going to cling to scintilla of hope that the ghost of Bo will visit Les in a dream tonight and convince him to come home.
Bottom line: I've spent significant time in both cities and you couldn't pay me 30 million to spend 10 years in Baton Rouge instead of Ann Arbor. We don't need LM.
@ryan
i know...just venting frustration (although trgovac's tight friendship w/ LC does scare me a little re: deboard).
00goblue00:
At least my husband's team is doing really well this year. When the pain of Michigan football becomes too great, I become a bandwagon fan for his team.
Hopefully your fiance's team has more success in the football department!?!
@ Dreisbach to Hayes
@ 00glblue00
It's pointless to argue with BKINAT. He will take your argument, change it, and then argue against your argument that he made up for you.
When you use logic and win the argument, he will say he's not responding anymore because it's a waste of time and you're stupid.
However, he will still continue to respond.
I think that about sums up his strategy.
00goblue00,
If Les isn't our head coach I'll be shocked. Even after all this. He signed an extension at Okie State then left. Once he gets a chance to think (which he keeps saying he hasn't had), he'll change his mind.
Bill Martin and Mary Sue Coleman need to look for new jobs. They are horrible business people and awful managers. Good luck filling 80 luxury boxes with an average coach. What a TOTAL screw up! We were OUTFOXED by LSU executives. That's what you get with an IOWA president, and an AD that hired Tommy Amaker. Did I mention how much I despise Lloyd Carr?
Who's out there? Shiano is not ready for primetime yet...great recruiter but average game day coach (we need a great X's and O's guy)...let's bring in Jon Gruden or Bill Coher!!! Let's stop fucking around and start paying $$$$...the Athletic Department made $18 million or so last year!!! Grobe is too old. Ferentz was too Lloyd. Pinkel has done it for 1 year but at least uses the spread, Kelly is decent...these guys are all OKAY. But, there's no one else who's outstanding. What a screw up by Martin! I swear Martin Should Be Fired...and Coleman too...where is the Board of Regents??? Man, I wish I was Stephen Ross...they'd freakin listen to me!
Miles is NOT a Michigan Man.
so if LM really is going to come home, when's it going to happen?
Dan,
If Orson puts that on a t-shirt, I demand a percentage of the gross.
cfaller96,
Agree about BM perhaps making a mistake. He didn't think the LSU AD would make this public. But LSU AD was SMART. He put LES in a huge bind. Then threw a ton of cash on the table and probably said "take it now or it's off the table by Saturday." So, you can take a guaranteed $3 mill for ten years, or hold out for the possible offer from U-M, knowing that LC was going to sabotage your every move.
BM could have / should have waited. This might not have come to a head. But who knows. LSU AD could have done the same thing regardless, but this way he had a unique bargaining position where Michigan couldn't really match.
Everything happens for a reason, maybe it's good we didn't get Miles.Can somebody call John Wangler and get his take since he said on the air he talks to LM everyday. Now the fun is really going to start!!
BlueBelle-
My fiance loves the Wolverines he is just too busy to post on the blogs so he relies on me to give him information from them!
Magnus-
I think just by the few comments he has said to me I have gathered that. My favorite was you are a nice person....and while we are at it can you use a few less LOL's in your posts. Couldn't have just ended it.
Surely, with a name like "Brian Kelly is not a thug" you've been here for years. (sarcasm)
And how's this, I'll tell you even another place to go: Hell.
Z - there is no pro coach on our list other than Dungy. He is pure class, only 52, from Jackson, played in the Big 10, and has reached the mountaintop in the pros--I do not favor looking to the pros, but he is the only viable pro candidate.
Outsider here, just curious- is Schiano considered the next probable target? If so, what connections to UM does he have and what are the chances he comes?
Why is Lloyd so obsessed with keeping these guys here? DeBord could be an OC at like half the programs in 1-A... as much as we hate him, he has the credentials to walk into any school and run their offense.
Has Chris Peterson been mentioned at all? Seems to me that if Kelly has no shot, he's the best left.
Ryan-
I hope you are right :)
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO to Dungy
Is there any thought that Les had to do a new contract to get out of the $1.2 and then come to Michigan?
@ z_for_three
Why the hell would Gruden or Cowher come to Michigan? Especially Cowher, who had a dream job - and a winning team - in Pittsburgh. Gruden's offense would confuse the hell out of any young QB. That's why he loves veteran QBs (Gannon, Garcia, Johnson, etc.) so much.
Also, I'm guessing you know next to nothing about the coaching search. How can you say they got "outfoxed" when we don't even know what's going on yet? What if Miles still comes? What if we hire Pete Carroll? I'm not suggesting either of those scenarios will take place, but suggesting Coleman and Martin need to go because they've failed to bring in a new coach by 9:20 p.m. on December 1st is ridiculous.
@ CincyBlue
IMHO, LSU would never agree to restructuring a deal just to make it less lucrative for them when their coach bolts.
Also, Les wouldn't care about the buyout anyways, as UM would pick it up on his behalf.
Get the ole ball coach at S.Carolina
Bluewolverine -- I am not advocating Dungy, but he is the only pro coaching prospect who makes any sense and who could arguably be sold to the boosters and fans. I would rather have him than O'Brien or Grobe. At least we would be guaranteed a top five recruiting class every year.
Dreisbach to Hayes: I said I'd been here all year long - not for years - you retard. You and Magnus are birds of the same feather.
00mgoblue00: I didn't mean to insult you. My apologies. You're good people and that was wrong of me.
I think if we are holding out for LM, we are all in denial. This has been quite a ride so far, but I think that shark has jumped the tank. He'd look like a REAL prick now if he changed his mind, and U-M's image would take a real beating to hire someone who promised he's "not leaving".
so, who are the good young assistants we should target for HC in 2010?
I'll second DanK's "Word." from a while back. Some of this speculation somehow again leads to personal attacks on the character of people and situations you all have NO idea about. Gotta love the maddness.
@ Samuel
I've heard rumors that Schiano is the next target. But I just read an article saying he won't leave Rutgers. It's rumored that he has his eye on the Penn State job. But he just built a mansion on Rutgers property that wasn't supposed to be developed; this article said definitively that he won't be leaving.
Alright, I've been out the whole day...did I miss anything?
Just kidding.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I am trying really hard to convince myself that all this talk from Miles today could be smokescreen, as others suggested. I won't count Miles out until we have a presser and a different coach is announced. The realist in me tells me Miles to Michigan is done.
We shall see.
@Dreisbach to Hayes
@00goblue00
Magnus perfectly summed up BKINAT. Just ignore him.
BM did not make a mistake. He has handled this as it should be. Les Miles is and was not the only real candidate.
Bill will meet with Les tomorrow. They will continue to "feel out" the Schianos, Stoops, etc, and widdle to a list of 3. Lloyd and Mary Sue will be consulted.
The only thing I fear, is that if BM still wants Miles after all this, that the escapade could further bolster Carr's position on Miles. While lloyd may be correct, I think Miles is a good coach, enuf to bring him on. We'll see.
BM handled the hoops coach, and (at least in my opinion) the stadium issue very well. He deserves some leeway here.
Brian Kelly INAT - are you calling someone a "retard" after saying you didn't call anyone names? I want Brian Kelly too, but I'm not about to jump off a cliff talkin crap to people about it. Get over yourself.
no pro coaches are viable based on everything stated...ever.
Schiano, according to some, is the #1 guy left on the 'list.' i think it's a longshot (imo, only) based on his turn down of Miami(FL) and PSU connections. he has no direct connections to UM AFAIK.
after today, anyone who states that anything is 'certain' or 'conclusive' of 'definate' is full of it. anything can happen. that's for certain.
BKINAT-
Trust me when I say you didn't insult me. For all the shit that has been thrown around here about me, that is the least insulting of them all. I'm sure because this post went over 1000 comments today it will somehow be my fault. I just found that post to be comical is all.
kgh10: Great to see you here. Where ya been? Please weigh in with some intelligent insights. They've been sorely missed. Think Kelly has a shot now? I do.
Jebus...
Stop it with the "LSU is classless" stuff. They renegotiated with THEIR OWN COACH!
@BKINAT
Please stop the name calling
Hahaha man who just called someone a retard and everyone is furious at is now into being Mr. Nice and making friends.
BKINAT, you are something else.
DanK - I don't want Dungy under any circumstances, but are you saying you would rather have a total zero like O'Brien than Dungy? I wouldn't.
Dunno if you're being sarcastic there BKINAT, but I don't know if Brian Kelly is being considered. It would be nice, but I'm not going to speculate on what kind of conspiracy there is against him etc. I personally have him as my no.1 choice, but wtf do I know? I think from what I've seen from his teams, I love his style and agressiveness and think he's a guy that we'll be sorry we missed out on.
Bluewolverine, there is not a snowball's chance in the infernal regions that Tony Dungy would come to Michigan, but what's with the reaction?
ditto kgh10
Have to agree Ian.
BTW:
LSU ain't exactly buying this Miles "presentation" by Bertman:
There was misinformation on ESPN and I think it's imperative that I straighten things out.(Done Deal pissed him off)
I'm the head coach at LSU.(no shite)
I will be the head coach at LSU.(well yea for the SECCG)
I have no interest in talking to anybody else.(no crap because of your next sentence)
I got a Championship game to play and Im excited about the opportunity for my damn good football team to play in it.
That's really all i have to say.(ugh thanks)
It was unfortunate that I had to address my team with this information this morning.
But that being done, I think we'll be ready to play.
There will be no questions for me. I represent me in this issue. Please ask me after.
I'm busy.
Thank you very much and have a great day.
MMM. Exactly. Nothing denied.
Mark Mangino now definitely fills the space as the #1 candidate. He also fills the space as the #2, #3, #4, and #5 candidates.
Thanks for the responses on Schiano. Other question- it seems like most of you guys would like Kelly...any particular reason why it's not picking up steam? Has he said he's not interested or is he just too unproven?
lol Virginia.
Angelique Chengelis said Kelly is not in the mix. I take that as meaning Kelly is not in the mix. She knows.
no....i'm saying that from what every 'insider' or 'rumormonger' i've ever heard speak, that no pro coaches are at the top of anyones list.
listen...i like the speculation to a point. hell, i'd call stoops and urban if i were AD. but BKelly and any pro coach are waaaaaaay longshots. just based on what i've heard.
dude....Hogan is in net for M. 4-2 M mid 3rd. are we trying to get swept this weekend?
lmao WolverineinVirgina
What Mangino calls power food during the games...
http://kermittheblog.files.wordp.../06/
mangino.jpg
kgh10: You missed the conversation. This Dreisbach fella called me a douche and told me to leave the board b/c I was getting annoyed with people who wouldn't let go of the Miles speculation.
I said, I had not, up to that point, called anyone a douche yet. He then misquoted me about saying I had been on the board for years, so I told him he was retard (this after, he called me a douche).
kgh10, say it's not so. If you're turning on me too, it would pain me. oh. so. bad. (not sarcasm) You've been one of the only Brian Kelly advocates I've found here.
00mgoblue00: Like I said, poor on my part. My apologises.
I'm really glad we're now fighting amongst ourselves.
Well, Chengelis said Kelly is not in the top five on the list....
If anyone's seen herbie's video, isn't it clear that this saga isn't over. I don't think it really is over until after he meets with Bill Martin. Truth is, nobody really knows....
@ Samuel
There are questions about Kelly's "skeletons." A few of his players murdered a guy at Central Michigan. There may be other skeletons. Obviously, he can't be held responsible for every one of his players' actions, but Michigan Men don't kill people.
I heard from one writer that Michigan would "turn into the U" (i.e. Miami) if Kelly came here.
Get it? It's funny because Mangino is overweight.
Also, can someone clarify for me...I've been watching the games today. Who is the sponsor of the Big12 and SEC championship games? It's very unclear to me.
BKINAT-
I will accept your apology but that does not mean that I agree with anything you say...at least not yet.
Les Miles has ugly children. Yes I'm going that low.
@ Samuel
There has also been reservations about Kelley's changing jobs often.
Herbstreit says he's standing by his sources, and that this is a smokescreen, he believes.
Doesn't sound like it's over, yet...
00goblue00:
You know I'm with ya' too. This is all coachspeak people! It'll be done tuesday, I just talked to Bill Martin's housekeeper. She pillowtalks...
I'm not sure Kelly could turn Michigan "into the U" even if he wanted to. He couldn't just recruit whoever he wanted...the fact is, we aren't Miami.
I am waiting for scoop round two from some jackass at hawkeyelounge...
BKINAT - I'm not "turning on you" but just because someone called you a name, don't you think it'd be a good idea to take the high road on that one? Nope, you decided to jump in the fray of immaturity. Because of that, it's hard to defend your actions, even if we agree on some aspects of the coaching situation. Many of your posts on this board bi-polar and arrogant, it has nothing to do with support of Kelly or not.
Why isn't Chris Peterson on the list? Not enough head coaching experience? His record at Boise State is great.
The huge poop I left in my toilet yesterday spoke to Mangino as he was eating it. He said that he'll eat any of the remaining candidates, that is why Miles backed down, nobody wants to be eaten by Mangino. Nobody.
Any of you interested in the "U"s finest work should look up the "7th floor crew"
WolverineInVirginia: For your sake, I hope people will ignore me like I had to ignore your overkilled haikus from the other day. Stick to what Republicans do well - making lots of money for themselves - not poetry.
Hey people:
As I mentioned, the guys in the know at LSU boards know this isn't done. Here's the link for anyone that wants to read it: http://www.tigerdroppings.com/ra...0&s=1&
p=6276480
Mark my words. BM wants to hire Les. Unless he gets vetoed, we've got Les in a week and a half to two.
The theory out there that Les is pissed b/c of a leak or that we're interested in others as much as him isn't going to carry the day. If we don't get/want Stoops, RRod, and/or Gruden, I really believe Les is the guy.
Forgive me if I'm wrong Oh Lord Mangino!
Chris Peterson has no B10 region recruiting ties AFAIK.
I don't know who the next coach will be.
I don't know who the best candidate would be.
But I almost want Les Miles to sign on with Michigan so people can look back at these boards and realize how stupid 75% of these discussions have been.
This entire day has been knee-jerk reactions to...nothing.
Bingo.
"And if I may kill a popular rumor (or request): Two people familiar with the process say Cincinnati coach Brian Kelly is not a candidate. He will not be a candidate. I don’t have a specific reason, but Kelly has rubbed people the wrong way at various points in his climb up the ladder."
From the Rosenberg article from today. Anyone idea as to what he did that pissed everyone off so much?
I think Brian Kelly is the Ron Paul of the Michigan coaching search.
Magnus:
You are correct. Other than Tenuta, there is nothing new today from the last 10 weeks.
Dear Michigan
Please don't hire our coach. We really enjoy finally having a football program.
love,
UC class of 2000
Why no comment from anyone at Michigan? They havent shown any urgency to get a coach. All they've done is interview their coordinators who should not even be considered. They need to get aggressive and go after the top canidates including ones that may appear to be content with where they're at. A little bit of swagger would be a welcomed sign.
Les is not more
Les is Less
Man, I wish I had a cold, refreshing Dr. Pepper right now.
I will candidly admit that the way Brian Kelly came to UC wasn't the greatest... about a week after he signed an extension at CMU.
He has a pretty heavy reputation as a climber, some people even think he's got some Franchione in him.
Down here in Cincinnati, we all cover our eyes and hold our noses, though :)
Gotcha. I happen to be a fan one of your regular opponents so I'll be interested to see this whole thing continue to play out.
First of all Les Miles has shown his true lack of character and integrity. He has stated a couple of times within the past week that he was to meet with AD Martin after the SEC game. It was also reported that he wasn't meeting with LSU officials until after the SEC championship game. Whatever! Something fell apart somewhere. Perhaps Michigan wasn't offering enough money or more than LSU and Miles wanted to put it all behind him. Personally, I was looking forward to someone with a little more personality than boring Lloyd Carr who should have been gone long ago (at home in the rocker). But, after all of this, I truly don't think Miles is a man of character or even has the means to emotionally deal with the pressure. His temper got the best of him. If Miles truly is staying at LSU, he backstabbed Michigan and doesn't belong here. He has forgotten his roots. A true Michigan man would have come back to coach his alma mater no matter what he was offered. Miles is all about himself, obviously. Bo would be ashamed of him. Miles will ultimately be the loser. Go Blue!!
Also, a lot of why I like Kelly is b/c of all of the stupid, unfounded reasons brought up against him are. "Well he lost to Pitt!" and "Did you see his game management at CMU vs. Boston College?!" while totally ignoring so many other factors like, um, wtf was CMU doing being in the game vs. BC? And look at what Pitt is doing to WVU (for just one example of why losing a close one to Pitt is not as embarassing as it looks). The guy can flat out coach...there's no way around that.
Alright kgh10: I needed a reason to get on with my life and you've provided me that. This fucking board has consumed me in recent days. I can see where my posts can be viewed as arrogant. Just 13 years of shitty football and we're on the cusp of something great and I can't contain myself or my agenda that is Brian Kelly.
Anyway, I think we got a shot at him which has made me really happy today. Good luck with your finals.
WVU/Pitt announcer: "That was a great call by Dave Wannsandt." Now I've hear everything.
10 years from now, we'll all look back on this and be extremely happy Les Miles did not become our coach. Just wait and see.
Dr. Pepper for head coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
"He has a pretty heavy reputation as a climber, some people even think he's got some Franchione in him"
Cincy, please explain here. I don't know what you mean.
best mangino headline: http://www2.kusports.com/news/20...rpose/?
football
(probably posted here at the time, but i didn't see it)
@ new blue blood required
That is your assumption, and that's exactly my point.
You have no idea what Michigan has/hasn't done. They could have made calls to Carroll, Meyer, Knute Rockne, Bear Bryant. Hell, they might have a deal to make Ahmadinejad the next coach.
Just because you haven't heard something doesn't mean they're sitting on their hands.
Dr. Pepper is always a winner!
Schiano is not a candidate. Even if he is, he will never leave rutgers. He built up to what it is now. When he first came they were still terrible. Why would he leave a program he created? Miles is still in range, we still get a shot at talking to him since he hasnt signed any contract and we still have permission to talk to him this week.
yes, today essentially produced a sum of ZERO. we are where we were 24 hrs ago.
still...Les said he wasn't coming here. can't be good.
Herbie got the tenuta kind from somewhere, yea? can't be bad.
FB: what are your thoughts on Stoops? do you think the AD is targeting him? do you think he would consider an offer from M? anyone?
M up 4-2, 5mins to play.....most nerve-wracking lead in hockey...a michigan lead.
I find it amazing that Michigan had all year to figure out and lock in on Lloyd's replacement and yet it appears that they still havent got a clue.
uhhh....LM said at the post game PC that "I'm not going there (Michigan)". He said before the game that he'll be "the LSU coach next year" and when pressed again he said "definitely.." this is done, done and over with....the denial that I see on this board is just really really said to see....he's not the next coach at UM.
Or, if somehow he still does become our coach, 10 years from now all of you will realize how wrong you were.
I heard Dr. Pepper just bought the naming rights to Michigan Stadium!
"I find it amazing that Michigan had all year to figure out and lock in on Lloyd's replacement and yet it appears that they still havent got a clue."
Agreed. Inexcusable!
oh, and...
Vernors bought the naming rights to Chrisler Arena.
Gotcha BKINAT, arrogance is easy to come by, but humility is not. I appreciate your humility in that last post and good luck on your finals as well.
Magnus,
Even the Ole Miss Hillbillies were able to land the coach they wanted before H. Nutt resigned at Arkansas. Michigan is still rolling out of bed scratching their ass...its obvious
@ new blood required
Chances are that the next head coach has been...you know...coaching all year.
Even if they locked in on him, they couldn't have done anything before now.
"Hey, Rich Rodriguez, I know you're in the midst of a possible national championship season, but how about coming to Michigan? Lloyd Carr hasn't retired yet, but he'll announce it soon. So whaddaya say?" - Bill Martin
Magnus,
I'm confused by the last comment. I have assumed for four months that Les Miles would be the next HC. Today that was confirmed by the MSM. Three hours later, he says he is staying at LSU. Why has this been knee jerk reactions to "nothing"....what am I missing?
bkinat:
13 years of shitty football?
97 National Champs = not shitty football.
new blue,
Amen brother. It's really sad. But what do you expect? This is what we are becoming. If we're not careful, we're going to become UCLA.
The reason Kelly is not a candidate is that he has 2 duis and recommended that his players not cooperate with a murder investigation.
Do you really need more?
I wouldn't blame BM for taking his time and finding the right coach. It would have been a little classless to offer LM a contract the day after LC retired.
@ new blood required
Oh...you mean Ole Miss was immediately able to hire a coach that nobody else wanted?
Wow, that sounds tough.
They may have been scratching their ass, but now they are going to be scratching their head at the fact they just got played big time by LSU.
sweet jeebus, someone get me some dr pepper
"Vernors bought the rights for Crisler Arena"
From my sources, Bill is planning on talking to Faygo tomorrow.....
For Ole Miss, It was like landing a Les Miles caliber coach.
Mary Sue Coleman is no true Michigander and is only on temporary assignment to the UofM. She will leave Michigan when her term as University president is over. She is as fake as Jennifer Granholm. Bill Martin is ruining Michigan athletics...period! He told the Detroit Free Press that he was headed to meet with Les Miles after tonights game. What happened? He allowed Carr to stay on another year which proved to be a disaster. I'm a Wolverine fan but the green and white Spartans sports program is looking better and better every day!
I am not that upset about not getting Miles. I wasn't as high on him as others, specifically Brian. What does worry me is what this says about our program, when we can't get our a big name "Bo" decendant coach who loves Ann Arbor to "come home." It's kind of a slap in the face.
Angelique says list of 5:
Miles, Stoops, Ferentz and who?
Gruden?
Schiano?
RRod?
Paul Johnson?
GVSU mafia chime in: Chuck Martin?
We need to stop responding like spurned girlfriends. When Miles was a sure thing, half of us were worried that he might not be the right choice. Now that he is walking away from us, we're pannicking. Again, I think our recent string of emotional losses (to OSU and in bowl games) has left us a little gunshy.
A number of candidates are still involved in games this week. If BM was going to wait until after the SECCG, then he will do the same for the BXIICG, etc. This isn't January; we're not going to be left out in the cold.
Dr. Pepper and arsenic are a nice combination.
I don't care if Miles is the next coach. But since no other solid candidates appear (from what we know) to be interested, I am bitter that we are looking at O'Brien (?) and Grobe while Tressel is likely going to be playing in his third national championship game. It is not about Miles, but the apparent lack of a solid Plan B that causes me concern.
does kelly really have 2 DUIs?
here's a quote from BM:
"You want to see if they've had DUI's, or they're a deadbeat paying their bills or if there's anything that could be a pattern that would embarrass Michigan," Martin said.
I think that the last 5 years, UM football has been an embarrassment...
"Angelique says list of 5:
Miles, Stoops, Ferentz and who?"
in her article she listed: "Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, Missouri coach Gary Pinkel, Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe, N.C. State Tom O'Brien and Cal coach Jeff Tedford"
@ Bill in Birmingham
I've been saying this all day.
Until a new Michigan coach is OFFICIALLY announced, nothing means anything.
Miles to Michigan - rumor
Tenuta to Michigan - rumor
Miles signs an extension - rumor
We know nothing more than we did the day Lloyd Carr retired.
Some "experts" (profession writers, guys on ESPN, etc.) still believe the Miles thing might come to fruition. I trust those "experts" that there is at least a possibility more so than I trust random posters' interpretations.
In other words, we know nothing. So I don't know what people are so upset about.
Wow Ian, a little rationality.....
Just a couple more minutes until another spectacular Dr. Pepper halftime contest!!!
it was schiano and someone else..obrien?
@ Enron Bowl
I believe Harbaugh had a DUI.
oh, ok...I thought someone said BK had DUIs.
Who is Angelique?
It's possible that BK did. But I read that the DUI comment was a shot at Harbaugh, whom Michigan people are still pissed at.
Norm Chow is up in years so he wouldn't be around that long. Landing him as HC would usher UofM into 21st century offensive schemes and let Ron English mature to assume HC after Chow retires.
Fat Bastard - Where'd you get that he had 2 DUIs, and IIRC, he didn't tell them not to speak. He told them to do make their own decision whether or not to talk to the po-po, not that they shouldn't talk to them. I don't see how that's wrong with that. He's not tampering with the situation, and that's a really tricky mess to walk into regardless. He barely knew the kids, so how is he going to tell them what to do?
As for the transferring thing brought up earlier, you have to look at all sides there. Is he going to let a kid transfer and in doing so, let Dantonio cherry pick what kids he wants to come to MSU with him? Dantonio could've been tampering with the transfer, and IMO that's a lot worse than not letting a kid transfer because of "homesickness". If he lets that kid easily go to MSU w/o any consequence, Dantonio can take whomever he wants out of the guys he recruited. The kid committed to Cinci, not Dantonio.
FINALLY, a great source for all the info related to the Brian Kelly issues. About half way down the pages you can read about what went down in Mount Pleasant and exactly what he said that has been discussed as racist.
http://conqueringheroes.blogspot.com/
No mention of 2 DUI's. Where's that coming from? Sources please.
Magnus,
I may be naive, but I would feel better about Miles as LSU coach after today than as our coach. I just don't buy into the it's "okay for coaches to lie about job change" mentality, even if they all do it.
I thought the man said very clearly that he was staying. That sure seems significant to me. I guess we're interpreting his comments differently.
magnus...come on tho, man...you can't tell me that when you heard herbstreit this AM, combined w/ all the insider stuff all week plus all the stuff since the summer that you thought...jeez, maybe this is the real thing? you can't blame people for reacting to that.
He also has made what some call racially insensitive remarks during the investigation:
"Based on the information we had at the time and from talking with the attorneys, we thought Jerry had a chance to rejoin the team," Kelly said.
"My first reaction when this all happened was to assist in any way possible with the request from Mt. Pleasant police. I didn't know all of our guys, obviously, because I had only about three weeks with them at that point relative to spring practice, and then they were dismissed because school was over.
"Once we met that minimum criteria of assisting the police, Herb and I got together and said, 'Look, we need to reach out quickly here to find out who was where.' We had a team meeting, and we laid down the ground rules for what the expectations were for our players, post incident. We told them there was a difference between being truthful and forthright.
"Our players were truthful. They may not have been forthright in the early beginnings, answering questions truthfully, but not answering questions that weren't asked. They weren't volunteering information needed in the investigation.
"Ninety-eight percent of our players weren't there, but you're dealing with 105 players, and this is an opportunity to educate about what happened."
Kelly said the players' socio-economic background might have influenced how they reacted the night of the beating.
"For example, a number of them were African Americans that had been in that culture of violence, and they're taught to look away," Kelly said. "You don't want anything to do with it. Get out of there. You don't say anything to anybody.
"That is a culture that they are immersed in. When they come here their first reaction is to react the way they've been taught to react in their culture and in their environment. That's difficult. In no way am I excusing that behavior. They have to be accountable, and I've clearly said that.
"It's a tough situation to put a young man in because he doesn't know the difference between blind faith and ... Doing the right thing to them is saying I didn't see him or I didn't see that.
"That's really where this case got tangled. You had some young men that didn't think they saw some things or didn't think that was what they should be doing because that's how they were brought up. Don't squeal. They were challenged in their own being as to what the right thing was."
Tom O'Brien...are you freakin kidding me? He's a terrible coach. Has anyone watched BC football while he was coach? I mean, c'mon...how the heck does a guy like Tom O'Brien get mentioned in the same breath as Michigan Football. I swear heads should roll if we don't hire a great coach!!!
Bill Martin and Mary Sue Colemn: You Two are Officially on the Budweiser HOT SEAT!
Can't help it, Bill.
We're Michigan... this isn't Saban leaving MSU or even Saban leaving LSU. Those were school and fanbases who could "lose everything" and so were right to panic.
This is simply Michigan vetting candidates to see who is worthy. We just found out that $$ is worth more to LM than the block M. So be it. Next...
@ Bill in Birmingham
I would like to be on the same page as you. I used to be. Nick Saban made me realize it's all smoke and mirrors until you sign on the dotted line.
In this case, I won't trust that it's done until Michigan announces a new coach.
I could roll with Gary Pinkel.
Ian, last comment is the best I have read all day.
What an amazing weekend.
Les Miles disses the Yellow Bellies, his alma mater, and all the scUM trailer trash.
Tommy Smack-acker brings a wimpy Harvard team into his former employer's house and whips the Yellow Bellies
The Yellow Bellies lose to Ohio State in hockey.
All the while, the defending national champion Spartans sweep in hockey and the #10 Spartans crush #24 NC State and Jacksonville by a combined 60 points.
Tis nice to be green and gloat.
I agree with Magnus
Two past experiences involving LSU head coaching that say it might not be over. History repeats itself!
Interesting point at halftime of OU/Mizzou: what if OU and Pitt both win? Would the NC game be tOSU vs LSU? And would Miles be off-limits anyhow? LOL at all this today - it's become beyond bizarre.
TheES should be changed to TheOWM (TheObsessedWithMichigan). Oh yeah, and your blog sucks.
Spartan fans talking trash?
Football season must be over, huh?
Why would Pinkel leave the number 1 team in the country with a Heisman front runner QB to come to Michigan?
Not just that, it's ugly. Terrible layout.
Samuel,
She is the U of M beat writer for the Detroit News.
The thing we should be afraid of is that Michigan seems to think the coaching job is so special that anyone should forgo getting paid with top coaches to be here. If we are such a great job, we should pay like it's a great job. It's not like the program isn't one of the most profitable in the country or anything.
@ DanK
Don't get me wrong - I was excited when that announcement came out, because I figured ESPN would be right. And I was excited about the possibility of Tenuta.
Excitement is not a problem.
It's the following that annoys me:
a) Les Miles played Michigan for more money.
b) Bill Martin has been sitting on his ass.
c) LSU's AD played Michigan.
d) Les Miles is not a Michigan man.
e) Lloyd Carr leaked the information.
f) Herbstreit leaked the information to force LSU's hand.
It's all RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR.
Sparty or the Little Bro needs to go take a hike, unless you hire Tressel not his knock-off, you don't have much to talk about
Wow PITT getting jobbed on that last play.
uhhh .... well at least brian just made some money. I STILL think we get Les ... i don't care what he or the AD says, he will at least listen to the offer. I hate that we arent interested in Kelly ... its driving me nuts.
Bill in Birmingham/ Magnus,
I usually am railing against the types who jump off of cliffs with little information. I agree with almost everything you say. You and I almost always agree that the board is too reactionary or full of hyperbole. However, I do think that we did learn somethings today. Nothing absolutely concrete, however to say that nothing new came out today is also hyperbole.
A.) Les Miles did say that he is coming back to LSU next year.
B.) We also have the LSU AD saying that there is a deal in place, though no signature.
The following is actually not fact but interpretation from me:
I also feel that the deal with Miles was somewhat close because I don't think Herbstreit would make such a bold claim without some disclaimer if there wasn't something. I think that this indicates that Miles
I also believe Terry Foster that he had an interview set up for early in the week with Miles and that was cancelled. That would be a big lie if he made that up out of nothing.
What does it all mean? Don't know. There was new information though.
Oh man this is tasty. I'm sure glad Dr. Pepper doesn't actually taste like pepper.
Don't even think about Tedford. Cal has absolutely went in the tank late in the season. Now they're getting beat by STANFORD.
magnus...ok, i get it....and i agree. It's all RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR...but it's been entertaining and sometimes RIWTIAF.
like i said, anyone who posts anything as conclusive is conclusively full of it. still, they can have their opinions....
@ Magnus -
Maybe there's a lot of speculation, but you cannot deny what LM has said publicly in TWO press conferences today...he's basically said in no uncertain terms that he's not coming to Michigan and will be at LSU next year. I just don't see how he backs out of this. He might not be very articulate, but he's no Saban.
Completely agree, Old Fan.
@ old fan
Of course we've learned new information. But it doesn't MEAN anything.
I realize Les Miles said he will be back at LSU, etc.
But I'M being honest when I say this: People lie. Especially football coaches when they're trying to win a game.
That's why I won't believe anything until I see official press conferences, read press releases, etc.
old fan...word.
next year and next season are terms that have different weight in the world of college football.
at this point i won't believe anything untill grapentine announces the HCs name the 1st sat in Sept.
It's not fun speculation that bothers me, personally. But the personal attacks on Carr, Martin, even MSC and their so-called incompetance is absolutely mind-boggling. I hate it, it makes my blood boil. You don't KNOW anything, so why should Carr et al get so much SHIT for a rumor? I feel like we're in high school sometimes, that's why I'm annoyed by some of the "knee-jerk" reactions.
WIVa,
Did you try it with arsenic? Mmm Mmm good.
yes, dr pepper challenge up next
I would give up the 75k just to have a lifetime supply of dr pepper. After today, I'll probably spend more than that on the pepper before I die anyway.
Magnus,
I agree with you that the interpretation is unclear, but can't blame a blog board for making some conclusions. The conspiracy theories I can do without. Everything on your list also made me angry.
No one in this situation is doing anything to hurt Michigan. It might not be a linear process, but no one is trying to sabotage anything. These people bleed Maize and Blue. We watch football. They wake up every day trying to make us better. Not always successfully, but not on purpose.
I have now taken the ultimate apologist award away from Magnus.
Enron Bowl...
I totally agree. We are witnessing the best advertising campaign in the history of the world.
i want to know how to become a Lloydie (or whatever that term was). do i need to collect letters of rec and polish my resume?
Opinions are fine.
But if they're based on conjecture and misinformation, then they mean nothing.
DanK
no you just have to suck at something while convincing everyone that it still works.
"They wake up every day trying to make us better. Not always successfully, but not on purpose."
Bing-Effing-Go old fan.
lol @ 00goblue00
kgh10,
Word. Until there's proof, that's out of line. Martin may have been played by Bertman (who I thought until today had taken the high road), but Martin handled the situation the right way with LSU.
BTW, I don't think Bertman did anything wrong. As someone said earlier, they gave a raise to THEIR coach. However, he did lose my "high road" level of respect today.
hahaha...
the dude who lost the dr. pepper competition just went on mic at the stadium and wanted to thank... "Dr. Pepper, Chik-Fil-A, and all my fans who came out to see me tonight!" as he waved to everyone in the stadium. That tool just besmudged the great name of Dr. Pepper.
"They wake up every day trying to make us better. Not always successfully, but not on purpose."
They should be waking up everyday drinking Dr. Pepper.
Magnus-
glad someone else besides me found it funny.
who is this 'Dr. pepper?' did he graduate from the UM Med school?
Dr. Pepper cures herpes. A friend told me...
Has anyone else noticed that drinking Diet Dr. Pepper tastes a lot like drinking a glass full of M&Ms? Or sucking a piece of cake through a straw?
Dr. Pepper cures cancer and is a suitable replacement for breast milk.
Unfortunately, it makes you fat and makes you dance on goal posts. Also makes you drink a cupcake through a straw and that just looks painful.
No DanK, he went to Harvard...he's an avid college basketball fan.
I think Diet Dr. Pepper tastes like an ice cream sundae.
"Has anyone else noticed that drinking Diet Dr. Pepper tastes a lot like drinking a glass full of M&Ms? Or sucking a piece of cake through a straw?"
hmm...nope, but it does make me want to dance like a fat lineman.
Hey lets get Jeff Tedford he's an offensive guru!
He managed to score 13 points on mighty Stanford!
He managed to be the number 2 team in nation and now will be 6-6, how awsome is that.
I can only pray Tedford is not the next UM head coach.
I'm a pepper
you're a pepper
he's a pepper
she's a pepper
wouldn't you like to be a pepper, too?
@DH
lol. i hate those commercials. who would want to drink a donut?
BS
Just this morning I went to my refridgerator to get my first Diet Dr. Pepper, and I had found that inside my Diet Dr. Pepper case were doughnuts! I was pissed...who the fuck stole my Diet Dr. Peppers?
It's nice to know I'm not the only one who drinks cake through a straw.
So when Missouri AND W. Virginia lose, who plays for the NC?
Forget this football coach crap. I hear Dr. Pepper was being named dean of LS&A.
Rumors in sports, ironically, almost always turn out true. I think it got really out of hand today b/c 1) HUGE game for LSU. 2) Les Miles was pissed it came out today, which was a HUGE game for LSU. 3) He never even met with Bill Martin, so it was so egregious to say deal done that someone had to say something.
He kept saying in the post game presser things like "no offer has been made." Well, he's not lying right? So let's just see what happens. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Herbie is right in the end...
@ Jim Harbaugh Scramble
Word.
Tedford took a lot of talent (Jackson, Longshore, Forsett) to a 6-6 season.
I don't see how anyone can still be on his bandwagon after this season, especially people who got on Lloyd Carr for having an 8-4 year.
Brent doesn't sound as drunk as usual tonight. Maybe he's drinking the Pepper now.
I am taking back my Tedford support from earlier. Wow, what happened to that team?
To add to the criticism of Tedford, hasn't the bloom come off the Shiano rose a bit, as well? I mean, the 11 win season was nice, but it is sandwiched by 7-5s, and they underperformed with a Heisman RB this year as well.
Then again, he's a defense guy.
Jim Harbaugh Scramble
Agreed! Yet some still love him. Striving to be USC's little brother since.......
"you're a pepper
he's a pepper
she's a pepper"
those are complete rumors and should be taken as meaningless, Magnus. i'll believe it when BM holds a PC to announce it.
West Virginia is stinking it up.
This is what happens when your starting QB gets hurt.
@ Magnus,
Of course you're not upset. Being content with mediocrity and existing in a delusional state would not allow for such self (Michigan)-critical emotions. Nice to see you'll be sugar coating the coaching search just like you apologized away the last 6 years of subpar Michigan football/coaching. You keep rationalizing, King of Excuses.
I heard Dr. Pepper just accused Dr. Phil and Dr. Laura of not being real doctors! The AMA is now filled with drama! Everyone is choosing sides!
This is what happens when you run the spread (exposing your quarterback)... see Oregon, too.
DanK -
The term is Llllloydite.
Llllloydite: n, Lloyd Carr crony, who is most resistant to change.......
@ Bend It Like Gingell
WTF are you talking about? What am I rationalizing?
Don't go taking out your frustrations on me.
I'm just not jumping to conclusions. If I did, I'd probably be having a heart attack like 75% of the people on this board are.
only gingell can bring down a thread like this.
Magnus-
Which explains why everyone wants Tedford, Peterson, Rich Rod. I guess everyone is of the opinion that Michigan will have 3 all American option quarterbacks on the back burner. Good luck with that!
Maybe it's too much Dr. Pepper, but dare I blaspheme? Would anyone be willing to forgive Harbaugh?
Ed note: Please aim nuclear devices toward another planet. Thanks.
BILG - dude...let it go. Your "one trick pony" thing is really ancient. IMO, maybe Miles would've brought exactly the same type of "mediocrity" that we've displayed. I don't get what point you're trying to make there...not only is it becoming pretty asinine, but it's also becoming redundant and useless.
lol @ Anonymous
Agreed.
"having a heart attack like 75% of the people on this board are."
guilty
Only the true believers are willing to burn the program to the ground to show how much they refuse to accept the mediocrity.
i think gingell needs a Dr. Pepper
RE: the Dr. Pepper challenge. I think these guys go for the $1M less out of greed and more out of fear for being called a pussy by their buddies. I could thread that 23 yard pass around 3/4 of the time with no pressure. But in the stadium in front of the cameras the $500K toss is the better call.
Regards,
Next coaching candidate
Make that a Diet Dr. Pepper.
Magnus-
Yet the 2 best teams in college football imo Oklahoma and USC run the same offense that we do. I think that people sometimes confuse entertainment value for success.
Honestly, I don't know who to love in the coaching search right now. Tedford and Schiano are not my favorite. The problem is that everyone will have something if you stare long enough, but our top choices aren't so good after staring
Look at the last games of our candidates
Tedford - Lost to rival Stanford
Schiano - Lost to Louisville
Ferentz- Lost to Bell's Brewery University
Even Georgia Tech lost to their rivals, Georgia
Not to sound like a ledge jumper but any association with our program right now is a bit of a curse.
What about Johnson from Navy? Is that too much of a stretch. Also, is there any hope for Stoops/ Meyer or am I crazy.
We have a 20 million dollar surplus from athletics. Doesn't this seem like a good time to throw our weight around. Osu spent a quarter of a billion on facilities. They raised the ante, do we follow in? The fan in me says yes. The human says no.
Come on, BILG. Be a pepper.
anyone ever wonder what things would have been like had Gary Moeller never gotten drunk at the Southfield restaurant and gotten canned?
I wish Harbaugh was a candidate, he seems like a great young coach.
(I know I'm in a very small minority that still loves Harbaugh. I've seen the man play and loved him since, now I love his coaching style. I can't quit him.)
I bet if you asked Moeller now, he would have rather been drinking Dr. Peppers that night.
kgh10, did you ever collect on that 'bet' a few threads down? i thought that was real funny. it was from the original flightracker post.
@Mblue96
Great call, bring back Moeller!
Harbaugh-
Yes you are in a minority. But I keep praying someone will catch on with the idea of at least offering Chuck Martin the D. Coordinator position. But..... I guess a great defense isn't all that important if you can run the spread offense.
BILG is the Jerrod Ward of this comment board.
If he is running straight ahead (complaining about Carr), he looks alright. Ask him to move laterally, then it gets a bit ugly.
Pat White is back in the game after drinking two Dr. Peppers on the sideline.
Anyone know what the all-time record is for comments on a single post at Mgoblog? Anyone want to hazard a guess as to whether or not we might be able to break it with what I will be referring to from here on out as The Les Miles Fiasco Presented by Dr. Pepper? (We're at 1200+ right now)
I think Gary Pinkel would be a good candidate, granted his program has been medicore for most of his tenure, but he really upped the ante this year. IIRC he was sucessful at toledo too.
That reverse pass for the 2pt conversion was nasty too.
oh god, WV is trying to get OSU in the title game
The Dr. Pepper
JHS,
I'm waiting to be banned for raising the question, but the guy was one of my three or four all time favorite players. I believe that he and Anthony Carter were the two players responsible for bringing our offensive approach into the modern age. (Meaning pro style, not spread.)
Having said that, I wanted to kick his ass when he said what he said. I was only seven years ahead of him. And I don't think Bo stopped checking on the players studying like he diid when I lived in West Quad....back when dinosaurs roamed Central Campus.
WolverineInVirginia-
I think they shot his thumb up with Dr. Pepper. Then Maybe gave him a Red Bull enema. I guess it will give him wings.
My heart tells me this is 100% on Lloyd Carr.
I believe he retired when he did to keep the job from Miles.
Once he found out what was happening - he killed it.
I AM PISSED! THIS IS BUSH LEAGUE!
Michigan Men don't pull this shit. If proven, I want Lloyd washed away from the program.
Nice Legacy Lloyd!
I think the spread is sort of a fad, like the run and shoot.
I mean, if your qb gets injured, *poof* your offense is gone.
Juice Williams won't last 3 games next season.
WVU may have just shit the bed against the Wannstache. Bucks are likely to be in the title game.
Who is Chuck Martin?
DanK - nope, Mom told me to stay away from anonymous internet predators.
@BIB
gvsu coach
Harbaugh Scramble-
Really? Really? No consideration for Kelley but willing to take Pinkel.
cue GVSU Mafia stage left.
UM and Les Miles negotiations hit a snag when Les Miles demanded all water-fountains in Schembechler Hell be switched to Dr. Pepper fountains. Deal-breaker.
there were 2200+ comments in a gameday open thread.
but it you add up all the comments from every post just today, it's like 3k....crazy.
@Dank: No dice. She shot me down. :(
""having a heart attack like 75% of the people on this board are.""
guilty"
Not me, its more like dejected defeat, kind of like after every OSU game in the past few years.
I know I'm an odd case living 5 hours away, but as the program has slipped, I have attended fewer and fewer games.
I still watch every game, but I've gone from season ticket holder, to dropping those and attending 6 or so per year, down to 4 last year, and then after spending my vacation at the Rose Bowl last year (and hearing how ridiculous it was from my wife) and seeing the pathetic effort, I went to one game this season.
Some of it is the inevitable family obligations as one grows older and starts a family, but there is definitely a thought of "hey, if the organization - namely the athletic department - won't put forth 100% and is happy slipping towards mediocrity, why should I make the trip each saturday via a 5 hour drive and an hour on the bluewater bridge?"
If the new coaching regime doesn't bring real change, I may just stick to cheering from home.
Michigan athletics reminds me of my hometown Toronto Maple Leafs - as long as the money keeps rolling in, who cares about winning (luckily I'm not a Leafs fan - my family connections allowed me to grow up a wings fan).
Here's hoping for better days ahead, Go Blue.
So do we root for Ohio State and Big Ten pride, or continue to hate? I am conflicted. Maybe it won't happen, but WVU isn't looking good.
I found myself rooting for them against Miami? What about Georgia? I don't have anything against Georgia, just the SEC.
@Anon
I never said anything against Kelly, I think he is a good candidate, I think Pinkel is a good candidate too.
Grrreat... WVU woulda gotten a $14mil payout that the big east schools split. Coulda kept Kelly with that money!
omg, I just looked up the "be a pepper" commercial on youtube. (I'm only 24 years old you see)
I want to kill myself...where'd I put that diet Dr. Pepper?
The Dr. Pepper
Magnus is totally right on...
I also said this in a few of the previous threads today after the initial 'bad news' started breaking, but...
>Until a coach walks up to a podium and says "I am the next coach at UM" no one other than the next coach and BM really knows anything.<
The Ferentz business and now this will hopefully help us all to take the rumors with a grain of salt for the rest of the way...
The discussions about rumors and possibilities are fun, and they give us something to talk about till something actually happens, but they are just speculation, so enjoy (or loathe) them as what they are. And yeah, everyone gets caught up in the excitement to some degree. You'd have to be a corpse not to.
And as far as Miles goes, I agree with Magnus again, I don't think Miles lied to anyone or dissed M to any degree... The fact is he IS the coach of LSU and will be at LSU indefinitely, as far as he knows, until he is presented with and signs a real actual contract with someone else and walks up to a podium and resigns from LSU.
There is no reason to think that anything can or cannot change as far as any of us know.
What is crazy is the media are speculating just as much as the fans at this point. If anyone in the media had half a brain, they would read brian's lable "rumormongering is what the internets are for" and leave this to the internets.
What a bullshit holding call on PITT
NBlue:
"hey, if the organization - namely the athletic department - won't put forth 100% and is happy slipping towards mediocrity, why should I make the trip each saturday via a 5 hour drive and an hour on the bluewater bridge?"
Exactly.
If the AD no longer gives a shit about being "Leaders and Best", why the fuck should we give a shit about them?
Man these Big East refs are really screwing with this game...I guess they REALLY want a Big East team in the MNC.
So I take it I am alone, thinking that if Miles was indeed offered the Michigan job and turned it down, this is a slap in the face?
Is anyone else watching the Big 12 game they just had a Dr Pepper commercial with a lineman dancing has anyone seen that before?
wait, so does anyone actually WANT ohio state in the title game?!?!?
I've spent way too much time on here today.
I was kind of waiting for Bend It Like Gingell to come back, but apparently he likes to throw out unsubstantiated attacks and then go to bed.
I'm headed to bed soon.
Pitt still leads, but they keep getting screwed over by bad holding calls.
Thanks DanK.
oldfan: Historically my rule has been to root against ND and Dook in any and all circumstances, but to root for OSU in football for the sake of the rivalry. But that all assumes we're keeping up our end of the deal. It's going to be very hard for me to stomach seeing OSU get another national championship and I was sure as hell glad that they didn't pick up one in hoops last year.
Bill in Birmingham-
Chuck Martin is the current coach of GVSU. Was the Defensive Coordinator under Brian Kelley while he was coach at GVSU. Kelley never one a NC until Martin showed up. In fact he had seasons that would fluctuate between 9-2 to 6-4. GVSU rode Martins defense to 2 div 2 NC's. Martin is playing for his 3rd as the HC.
When Urban Meyer turned down ND, was that not a slap in the face?
If the AD no longer gives a shit about being "Leaders and Best", why the fuck should we give a shit about them?
Amen brother.
The Dr. Pepper
The only way I would want OSU in the MNC game is if I'm 100% guaranteed they get destroyed by the other team. I won't even take a 90% chance, too risky, and I f'in hate their fans.
tOSU has the plane chartered and the hotel rooms booked for New Orleans
wow....does the heisman have cooties this year or what? no one whats to go near the thing.
http://gvsulakers.cstv.com/
sport...in_chuck00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bri...lly_%28coach%
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Links for Brian Kelly and Chuck Martin.
Mizzou just went down to OK by 2 TDs.
tOSU is a lock for the MNC game.
As the favorite.
WHAT A GREAT FUCKING SEASON
BILG-
LSU's AD played dirty today and I know thats not Michigans style but I just wish for once we would do something. Martin should go and talk to him, make an offer he can't refuse and bring him to Michigan. I don't think he dogged Michigan in anyway LSU put him in a hard place and he took the sure bet rather than the could be.
I want the Heisman!
Magnus...
Calling you an apologist is not unsubstantiated, we have scrolls of thread on you defending Carr, delusionally claiming Mich as elite program over past 6 years etc. The fact that other people agree with you on the coaching search, doesn't change the fact that you sugar coat EVERY topic regarding Michigan football.
lmao agreed DanK