dammit my head hurts
Why do we even have Bill Martin for? Or any AD for that matter?
It's so clear that Carr in MSC's ear is the gasoline in the engine. This is unfortunate.
Unless you hire me, or Brian Kelly.
I'm agnostic until at least tonight after the SECCG. Miles could still come our way. How does he night at least talk to Martin before making a decision?
I'm a Buckeye fan, but I enjoy getting Brian's take on things. Did you watch this buffoon's presser?
"My damn strong football team?"
THIS guy is the hottest commodity in coaching??? The world has gone insane.
@ Gary
Don't sleep on Brian Kelly.
But to think that Miles wants to stay at LSU over Michigan is to underestimate what is really going on here in Ann Arbor.
What is going on in Ann Arbor would make Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay blush.
ESPN changed their headline again - "Miles working on new contract to stay at LSU"
So N O W W H A T?
Seriously!
Cue- The Brian Kelly bandwagon
im loving the drama
Chuck Norris to Michigan.
I dunno, I'm still hopeful, call me crazy.
Lou Holtz for HC! At least there'll be magic tricks during the halftime speeches...
This coaching search is a joke. Does this kind of crap happen to other schools?
All these statements equate to each participant throwing crap at the other.
They mean nothing.
Miles would still have to sign the agreement, am I correct?
If the Les deal is over then Michigan will focus their attention on Brian Kelly.
I agree with Blast32. Les Miles is a goof. Michigan will have egg on its face, but it'll be for the best, so long as we get a good coach.
Les Miles is insane. As a Buckeye fan I was wanting him to go to Michigan, b/c Tressel would eat him alive in the game management department. Oh well, on to Brian Kelly, whoever the hell that is.
I just love that some douchebag at ESPN might have cost us a football coach. We should boycott the next college gameday.
I was never really comfortable with Miles, but the only thing that I liked was that this was his dream job and he understood the position better than others. This couldn't have worked out better because if he takes it, it's because it is his dream job. If not, then I think there are better options, though for the life of me there isn't one that jumps off of the page, other than Stoops and maybe Rodriguez.
I think we will be better for all of this.
None of this makes any sense. Why would LSU grant Michigan permission to speak to Miles, and then issue a release three days later saying that Miles won't entertain an offer. Does that mean that LSU granted permission to talk to Miles without even first finding out whether Miles was interested? That just seems totally retarded.
Les Miles and LSU deserve each other. Go Vols.
Has Herbie even mentioned where he got the info? I didn't see him announce it on Game Day.
I still can't tell what the F is going on. Someone needs to contact his agent George Bass.
Well if this hasn't turned into quite the soap opera.
Someone's gonna need an extra hankie.
Personally I hope you guys get him.
how about the arKANSAS coach, oh wait, they don't have one.
I'm a Buckeye fan, but I enjoy getting Brian's take on things. Did you watch this buffoon's presser?
"My damn strong football team?"
THIS guy is the hottest commodity in coaching??? The world has gone insane.
I liked the passion he showed in that press conference, honestly. I think he cares a lot about his players, and if he's emotional about it, so what?
None of this makes sense on the surface. It makes perfect sense if you think that Carr hates Miles, and is in MSC's ear.
2 things:
1) It is pretty clear that Michigan has absolutely no intention of hiring Brian Kelly. Chengelis is really plugged in and basically said that there is no serious talk about him on the search committee.
2) How is this grim? I think this is insane, but this is far from grim. This has become a situation where I think we have to go get Les. I think it's fairly clear that the leak did not come from anyone connected to the Michigan athletic department. I also think that with the upcoming renovations and the desire among fans and boosters and donors for a change, that if we're not going to get Kelly, the only other name left is Miles. Anything else would be seen as totally unacceptable and with the need to sell 80 luxury boxes, Michigan cannot have an unacceptable result.
Am I crazy for thinking this way?
gnarls,
you been drinking again? have you watched any of lsu's games this year? les miles has made some of the dumbest calls i have ever seen in my life. do you want me to list them for you? trust me, you guys are better off without that ass clown. tressel would/already does own miles -see 2004 alamo bowl.
I respect the fact its in your blood to hate Herbie (not a big fan myself) but I think you should really be thanking him if you're of the belief he killed the Miles to Michigan possibility. Miles is a clown as evidenced by the presser, his clock management, play calling etc...also, he's a bit of a loose cannon in front of a mic and that's not the Michigan way...as a lifelong Buckeye, I'd be happy to see Miles in Ann Arbor.
Mary Sue has NOTHING to do with this at this point. Once Bill Martin got permission to talk, it is all a series of prescribed dance steps in this prom. However, someone on the Michigan side just spiked the punch, Kirk F. Herbstreit got bombed and puked all over the prom queen.
Now who knows what will happen?
Brian Kelly and Tanuta wouldn't be a bad combo.
Carr is the turd in the punch bowl.
what about John Cooper??
Ladies & Gents:
I may have read too many conspiracy novels. However, this is a total "anti-Miles" play, probably orchestrated by the current people.
We will end up with Debord, and I will discontinue my season tickets.
JB - I don't drink all that much, and rarely in the early afternoon. I'm not sure if Miles is the greatest gameday coach (he's probably not), but his overall body of work is impressive. He's posted three strong seasons in the SEC.
As for the notion that Tressel "owns" Miles because of the 2004 Alamo Bowl, well, that's just Ohio State University logic at its finest. Does Ron Zook "own" Jim Tressel?
It's over, Miles is not coming to Michigan. It's no one's fault. Bertman played Martin and Miles got more money. End of story.
My sources tell me a wildcard candidate has emerged: Cam Cameron.
@ Other Chris
I wish that were true but she's all over this and so is LC.
"I liked the passion he showed in that press conference, honestly. I think he cares a lot about his players, and if he's emotional about it, so what?"
I dunno, gnarls. John L. Smith had a lot of passion too, and he was a walking disaster. I see this guy as JLS with a better recruiting draw.
This all means nothing in the end. There is no story. There is ESPN creating a story, and LSU and Les responding to that story because it blew up.
LSU has been confident they would retain Les all along, and that the attitude they need to take. Michigan will meet with Les as planned, and we will see from there.
The only other possibility is that a deal was indeed worked out with Les at Michigan (and maybe Tenuta too), and it was supposed to stay under the radar until tomorrow or Monday. Then somebody let the cat out of the bag. I wouldn't be surprised to see this all come out again in the next two days.
Cam Camerson????? lol. mr. 0-16? nice.
New information: Lloyd Carr has been named interim coach to help recruiting until a new head coach is hired!
My sources tell me a wildcard candidate has emerged: Cam Cameron.
Mmmm...Michigan is going to offer its head coaching position to an NFL head coach who flamed out at Indiana and is currently 0-12. Good times!
My souces tell me that Belicheck inquired about the head coaching job, but Martin told him that no Michigan Man would ever wear a sweatshirt with cutoff sleeves.
All of this nonsense is causing me to start hating the internet. Yet I can't look away!
I don't know about any other U of M fans, but I for one do not want Michigan to hire from among the Les Miles of the world, but I want them to hire "the next Les Miles." As Emerson once said, "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." That's the Michigan difference!
i still think John Cooper would be a nice fit up there. What about Rich Kotite?
kingghidorah
Tenuta will be at LSU.
FL Blue:
Thanks for the laughs....even if they are from gallows humor....
Da Plane!
Da Plane!
Sadly, Tenuta to LSU does make a lot of sense if Miles is staying there. I remain optimistic!
I wish people would stop dissing Bill Martin. If he fucks up this Les Miles hiring, it will be the best thing he's done for UM athletics. Just ahead of the Beilein hire. I'm not being sarcastic.
Agreed with FloridaBlue...
Miles is probably pissed beyond recognition. Plus, he realizes that Bertman likes him, and Lloyd doesn't. Why would he want to give up a job in the bomb shelter to work in the front line?
Cameron is tight with Miles. After how Mary Sue, Lloyd, and Martin played Miles, do you think Cameron would want any part of this?
Debord is the only candidate at this point.
Schadenfreude can be a wonderful thing.
Have a nice weekend!
THROW MONEY AT HIM, AS MUCH AS IT TAKES.
Tiger
You could be right.
What is getting lost in the drama of today is that it has brought people here to comment who reduce the mean IQ by about 40 points.
If you think Miles is definitely coming or not coming you are an idiot.
WWWWWWW
TTTTTTTTTT
FFFFFFFF
??????
Agree with poser #1 - MY HEAD HURTS
@ Sparty
why do you care? we will own Sparty w/o a coach
Again...
It's even clearer when you consider the first leak. Herbie gets the Tenuta scuttlebutt - probably some informal chit-chat between himself and Les - and runs with it. The media start ringing up someone for confirmation...who?
The LSU AD, of course, who is absolutely pissed. So he says, "Les has negotiated and extension to his contract. I have it right here!" Carty and Angelique and others print that he's staying.
AD is pissed and drills Miles. Miles holds the presser, but gets the "I represent MYSELF!" dig in at the AD, who stepped over the line because he had not agreed to the extension and had every intention of going forward with the interview with his beloved Wolverines.
It's like a Arthur Conan Doyle mystery now, after Sherlock explains all the observations and deductions.
Emerson? What the hell was his career record at Harvard? How many Rose Bowls and BCS title has he won? I'd rather have Kipling, damnit!
I can't believe any Buckeye fan can diss Les Miles for being a buffoon when their coaching tradition is Woody Hayes.
Seriously, seriously insane.
GM -- it makes no sense. Martin would not approach the LSU AD unless it was 100% okay. This whole fiasco is a big black eye for Michigan, no matter how it shakes out, and no one would want that, no matter how meh they were about Miles. Trust me on this one. I may not have Athletic Department insider info, but I have first-hand experience with similar level hires, with similar controversies attached. No matter how much infighting there may be, Michigan does not wash its dirty laundry in public. Hell, we rarely admit we HAVE dirty laundry.
I think all you conspiracy theory guys are nuts. Occam's Razor all the way, babies.
seriously, who is DeBord? I think you mean Frank DeFord? Great writer, but not sure as a football coach, could be a reach. Could help the players with their English papers though.
The Cam Cameron and John Gruden inquiries are the most ridiculous and absurd posts that this board sees.
On an unrelated note, sorry to say but I think Brian's coverage of this hiring has tarnished this site a little bit. He seems a little too eager to be first with the scoop which comes off looking childish to me.
Bill Cowher
The Michigan athletic department doesn't do things the way they're done at LSU. Martin does the right thing, waiting until after the SECCG to contact Miles directly. Miles's perturbation in that presser was with the way LSU's athletic department has put him and his team between a rock and a hard place, trying to force his hand. Miles flies to Ann Arbor tomorrow to talk with cooler heads. The next time we see him, he's telling us he's coming home where he belongs.
Well i'm done for today. I'm going to enjoy the games and just wait and see what develops from here...GO MIZZOU !!! I don't want the FUCKEYES anywere near the title game !!!
Money shouldn't be an issue when it comes to paying our next HC and his staff. We have the ridiculous Adidas contract and an $8 BILLION endowment.
OTOH, we shouldn't overpay for anyone, even Miles. I would argue that $3 million/year is the absolute upper limit on what we should offer Miles.
If LSU does offer him $3.45 million/year I think they are overvaluing his worth.
goealges - you ever heard of paul brown? i think he won a title at ohio state.
JB probably was all excited whe John Cooper was hired because he "owned" Michigan with one bowl victory.
Whoops.
2 things:
1) LOL @ Who is Debord?
2) I haven't heard a word about Michigan or Martin in the entire coverage and not seeing the dirty laundry angle. From what has been reported, all we know FOR SURE is that Miles has been offered an extension and a deadline.
"Miles will not entertain any offer from the University of Michigan to become the Wolverines head coach or from any other institution." Yeah did Miles say this or is this the AD speaking on behalf of what he thinks Miles would say?
and again Miles also says he represents himself in this situation. Until I hear Miles himself say he is not coming, the rest of this is pure bullshit put on by the LSU Athletic Department.
"No matter how much infighting there may be, Michigan does not wash its dirty laundry in public. Hell, we rarely admit we HAVE dirty laundry."
We sure are WASPy that way.
yinka, i know who owns michigan right now - TRESSEL. 6-1.
jb
In all seriousness, Miles' dig is solely and only at Bertman: "I represent myself." Bertman is doing all the talking to every member of the media he could get his hands on. Miles may be staying, but he's not a happy camper at the moment.
The leaks did not come from Michigan. It's all LSU -- and it makes them look more small time all the while.
Gary Moeller,
LC to MSC has only to do with Ferentz. BM and his search committee are doing the work on this search. LC is not on the search committee. He and BM do not care for each other (which is an understatement).
Martin ain't talking bc he knows the truth about Les. If Miles' PC was blowing smoke to remove the distraction for his team, Martin knows it, and will still make a call tomorrow to set up an interview. Martin and Miles haven't talked, so ESPN's reports if anything were premature. Bertman's remarks could also have been disinformation to support Les and get the LSU team focused for the game today.
@JB
Maybe you missed my point. Insane buffoons can win national titles. Four, in fact.
maybe you missed my point - woody hayes was not insane.
I'm pretty much in complete agreement with 00goblue00 on this one (except for her blatant overuse of "lol"... no one laughs out loud that much).
The only person who got screwed in this mess is Les Miles. By ESPN... by his AD... etc. Hence the hostility in his presser towards both ESPN (overtly) and his AD (aforementioned comments regarding his "representing himself".
JB of course ignores my point because he knows pointing to one game as evidence that Tressel "owns" Miles is completely retarded.
Go harass people on ESPN's boards, JB, adults are talking here.
personally, i wouldn't be at all opposed to kelly as the next hc, but it seems that the les deal was only f-ed up by lsu/media
I seriously suspect the leak did not come from LSU. Herbstreit would not have run with the story if the source didn't check out.
The internal discord in the Athletic Department is more serious than anyone had imagined, and look for a serious house cleaning if Miles does come after all this nonsense.
As bad as Mike Debord was, he still beat John Cooper all three times he coordinated against him.
Miles is staying at LSU. OK? He is a little irritated at Bertman, but he realizes Bertman really wants him there and he appreciates the love. He probably didn't want to fight the Lloyd faction at Michigan -- even though he seems the kind of guy who relishes a challenge.
It's done now. It's time to begin the Mike DeBord Era. ChampsSports Bowl, here we come!
les miles is a buffoon. lets move on to a discssion of frank deford, and what he will bring to this storied program.
So have we gotten any definitive information on Miles' pregame on-field interview? "Anon" posted in a previous thread that he, FOR THE FIRST TIME, said "I'm not going to Michigan."
Just trying to confirm information from the man himself.
Ian-
I have been told that before by friends when I talk online that i use "lol" way too much. I need to work on it.
Unless he says something concrete at the presser tonight following the game, which I doubt since he hasn't all season he will interview with Michigan sunday or monday.
Remember what he did before he left OSU for LSU. He said he was staying at OSU...that didn't happen.
anon hasn't posted a link. don't think he said that.
Read the transcript. It is on this blog. There's a video if you are a Buckeye can't read prefer.
Indeed goeagles, but old insane Woody never played Ohio State off with some other national power in an effort to gain himself a fat pile of money.
Times have changes, I guess.
Damn, strike-through markup doesn't work here. Killed my attempt at weak humor.
to think that 'Les to Michigan' is over is ludicrous...
i think he chose his words carefully during the presser...Michigan will come calling as soon as today's game is done and over with...
Of course not. He's going to the locker room right now.
@Yinka
I think JB is too busy biting his own hand to notice. Because that's what sane people do.
I'm not too fond of this Mike Debord idea, but as a 5-year experiment it might work.
Fuck...Miles just told a sideline reporter that he's accepting the head coaching job at R-Kansas.
yinka,
why do you care? the point is now moot, miles is staying at lsu. you want my honest opinion? i really don't care who coaches michigan,i think tressel can beat anybody up there.
Miles has a game to coach. LSU's season hasn't ended. Doing or saying anything else would be completely disrespectful.
@Blast32
Agreed. Hayes was completely insane, but he'd never play schools off for more $$$$.
Problem is, I still don't think Les did that. Yet.
Les Miles would never have gotten up there and made those strong statements if he was planning on coming to Michigan. It's not in his character to make a statement that will make him look bad later. Think simpleton here folks. He's pissed that there was a leak he was coming to Michigan because it wasn't true. He made the strongest statements he could without a signed contract in place. It's over. And Mike DeBoring will NOT be our next coach. You'd have to be retarded to hire that guy given his track record. MSC and BM are not mental midgets.
Les isn't coming (whew!) but someone better will.
JB - none of us can understand you with Tressel's nuts in your mouth.
get ready for CBS' piling on.
Michigan's bad in this whole thing was naively believing that the process was still pure.
welcome to the new era of Michigan football kids.
Pimp Media owns us all
Wolverine32 - I agree. Angelique is saying Martin was going to talk to him tomorrow at a neutral location, but I am hopeful he will now go after him guns blazin'.
Tressel will beat U of M as long as he has direct line to all the mafia money in Youngstown and thugs like Clarett and Troy Smith.
Seriosly, why would Herbie report something like that? He got bad information and ESPN decided to run with it. But when you think about it, what would LSU do if the reports that ESPN had were true. They want to save face, they want to win the SEC championship game, and they want their team united. Thus, you create this big controversy about possibly false rumors, and then say, don't worry guys, he is coming back, go out there and play your heart out. Now, LSU put all this crap on Miles. They have a agreement, but nothing is signed. So after the game, Michigan can contact Les, and what LSU AD says, to me doesn't mean anything. If Les wants to be the coach at Michigan, he will be the coach, if he doesn't, then move on. Let's find someone that does. But I do have a sneaky suspicion that the anti-Les crowd at U of M might have something to do with this. Les, you have spoke so highly of Bo in the past, I wonder what he would be saying now if he were alive to see this.
-Why does this seem like an old cold-war drama with all these rumors and misinformation?
Shit. CBS on video had Les saying, "I will be the coach at LSU next year."
Let the douchebag go. He's overrated anyway. They are gonna regret paying the dude this much cake. I was most fired up about the Tenuta news anyway. I say lock down Brian Kelly or Jeff Tedford as HC and pay Tenuta as much as you can to be DC. Go Blue!
woody hayes didn't even cash his paychecks, let alone play a former national power to fill his already fat bank account. all i can say is, what in the hell is going on up there? how is the hockey team?
Just now on CBS:
Some sideline reporter got an interview with Les Miles after the presser.
She asked, point blank, "Will you be the coach at LSU next season."
Les said, "I will be the head coach at LSU next season."
Take it for what you will.
titleix:
I'd argue that Michigan's problem is that it still believes that people abide by ethical standards common to 1967.
For better or for worse it's 2007, and the ethical goalposts have shifted so to speak.
les says to CBS that he will be LSU coach next year.
tracy wolfson...
interview, les miles mouth "I will be the head coach at LSU next year, absolutely"
FUCK
I'm lifelong um fan and alum, and I will perservere even if they do not get Miles. But if they promote Deboard, my first born is going to indiana (my graduate school). I suppose Kelly schiano or tedford would be a good pickup.
Les Miles just announced on CBS just announced that he was going to be the head coach at LSU next year...
Here we go flight tracker!
Way to go Lloyd. You got what you wanted.
MillerTime-
He said that about OkieState too. That didn't happen.
It's over kids. I've been yelling hoarse for an hour now. Les Miles is NOT COMING TO MICHIGAN!
We need to focus on the next guy. Fielding Yost VII is available!
hey ben, troy smith was from cleveland. pass the birthday cake, will ya?
Well...now I'm no longer optimistic that Les is coming.
Sigh. Get Weis on the phone!!!
fuck, it's over. congrats to lloyd and MSC
Really super smart intelligent Rhodes Scholar black guy is bashing Michigan again.
I'll believe it when I see it.
JB,
Here you go.
Football coaches always mean what they say!!!
Only one man can save us now....
...mangenius...MARK MANGINO!!!
So Carr, who do you want to be the coach? Ferentz turned you down. You don't want Miles. How about Debord? Would he fit?
Herbie probably had a pretty reliable source. I'm thinking the original story of the day is legit, but it wasn't supposed to come out yet. This has forced the situation to get a little messy. It would make sense for Les to be angry about the news leaking at the worst possible time. And Tenuta, in very convincing fashion, said he doesn't know "yet."
Does anyone recall the exact words he used at Oklahoma State before leaving there for LSU?
CBS just played a one-on-one interview with Miles. He said very clearly he *will* be back with LSU next year. Guess there's no doubt now.
bluewolv--
EXACTLY.
Just like we've all be clamoring for 21st century offensive and defensive schemes we now gotta swallow the 21st century shenanigans.
Let Les Miles stay at LSU.
And let's home that his wife doesn't kill him.
Plane tracker may be right on....
SEC and Atlanta reporters should NOT be reporting about Michigan.
I am totally baffled as to why CBS is blaming Michigan for this total fiasco. Has Michigan done anything except request permission to speak to Miles? If Herbie thought he had a reliable source to make a public announcment, that is on ESPN.
DP:
I think that's Spencer Tillman. He played tailback at OK.
His makeup was really bad when he first started with CBS' CFB broadcast. Think Dave Chapelle in whiteface bad.
Other Chris,
I don't have time to debate this, I understand that LC/MSC were big proponents for Ferentz (out of more Pro-Ferentz feelings than anti-Miles sentiment); however, there is a great deal of anti-Miles amongst some of the brass.
Do you guys really think BM can strong-arm anyone?
Also, whoever thinks BM and LC don't get along is a fool. They have a great relationship.
Barnhouse says Kirk FAAAR-rentz is coming to Michigan. Run for the hills!
SEC championship game pregame show is talking about how Bill Martin may have purposely submarined this process by putting Les in a position where he's got to either leave now or deny.
I'm inclined to say that's a possibility; look at Les's love for UM every time he opens his mouth and somehow he turned us down.
Oy
@ even more bored at work:
What he said on CBS is what he said on the LSU Radio Network.
I don't think you can get anymore definitive than that. On the other hand, Nick Saban said "I will not be the Alabama coach," so who knows!?
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Gnarls,
My honest opinion is that if Les indeed isn't coming to UM, in 5 years you will all be talking about the bullet you dodged.
JMHO.
Miles said he "will be the coach at LSU next year... absolutely." It's over.
@FloridaBlue:
You've been yelling everything from Mike Dedbord has been named head coach to Les is out to Fielding Yost VII. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while - especially when that blind squirrel spouts out every crazy idea that comes into his head.
So congrats, you got it right. Kinda.
Sounds pretty official from CBS - LES said def. he will be back next year at LSU. Unless that means for the bowl game only...we have no chance. How did we lose him??? How??
Miles will be the coach at LSU next year, he just said it. You don't have the job you used to have, kids.
Ferentz = Strike 1
Miles = Strike 2
Maybe Coach Francione is available? Or, if you're still partial to LSU, DiNardo?
Fun, fun fun.
Honestly, who will take this job now? When your most accomplished alum currently active in coaching turned you down, it doesn't bode well to your program.
Mike Debord is the only realistic candidate at this point.
2-10 here we come!
Jesus, now CBS is talking Ferenz too. Shoot me now.
Sorry Brian! If Les Miles doesn't want the job...FU*K'EM! We are Michigan and we should not resort to begging anybody to take this job.
This isn't over. Get your checkbook out alumni.
Anything over $4 million is stupid though.
Meechigan Dan - no disrespect but just a little egg on your face here with all the psychoanalysis gone awry. Dude, LES IS A SIMPLETON.
Now, we got a chance of bringing someone into UM with a bigger BRAIN. A bigger brain is what this program needs, not bigger balls. That whole "lesticles" things was so fucking annoying.
P.S. I think Les just read the comments section of this blog and found out a lot of people think he's not too bright. His wife said, "Les, do you really want to deal with all that A2 snobbery?" Les: "Hmmm, good point, the people down here aren't too swift so I fit in nicely here."
man fuck this. i'm gonna go get drunk.
From a buckeye fan...CBS states that Tenuta is looking for the HC position @ GT, and if not, another DC position in which he can become HC VERY SOON (within a few years). If Michigan doesn't go after him for HC...which I doubt will happen...then I don't think Tenuta will come to Michigan. This is because Michigan will have a brand spanking new HC over him, who will need at least 5+ years to establish himself...too long for Tenuta's liking I would estimate.
But its all estimation at this point lol.
plane tracker is on, it's coming from lawrence, r-kansas. oh wait, that's a small blimp.
Michigan didn't lose him.
Les Miles is a blabbermouth.
And then, when it came back to bite him in the ass, he blames other.
perhaps this is why Lloyd has no love-lost for him??
The smartest thing posted so far...
The Michigan athletic department doesn't do things the way they're done at LSU. Martin does the right thing, waiting until after the SECCG to contact Miles directly. Miles's perturbation in that presser was with the way LSU's athletic department has put him and his team between a rock and a hard place, trying to force his hand. Miles flies to Ann Arbor tomorrow to talk with cooler heads. The next time we see him, he's telling us he's coming home where he belongs.
Phillip Ellsworth | 12.01.07 - 3:32 pm | #
--------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
titleix:
Yeah...I'm not saying that Michigan needs to cover itself in mud to be successful now...but the Michigan family seriously needs to:
1) Understand the reality of the world we live in circa 2007 AD.
2) Be much more aggressive. This is not mutually exclusive with having integrity!
How much money can we throw at Belichek?
CBS will blame Michigan because they are SEC-centric.
Understand the nature of that bias. They have no real incentive to maintain journalistic ties to Michigan's athletic program. However, they do have every incentive to do so with LSU. It's not really a conspiracy, it's how journalism works.
People, what the hell do you want Miles to say? I'm not saying he's coming or not, but if a reporter sticks a mic in your face and asks that question, what is he going to do? Backtrack on his press conference? Refuse to comment? He's in a position AT THE MOMENT, where he absolutely has to pledge allegiance. Anything less would make him look like a total fool. (And I'm aware many of you already think he is.)
"He and BM do not care for each other (which is an understatement)."
blueink, unless you can provide a reliable, credible source for this statement that Carr and Bill Martin don't like each other, it goes into the dumper along with the "Kirk Ferentz is all but signed" line of poop. Out of all the unlikely things I've read over the last few weeks, this is right up there.
As for all those still holding out hope that Les hasn't dumped our sorry ass, you're a shining example of hope triumphing over reality.
"Coach Miles and the chancellor have already worked out a contract that they're happy with, but it hasn't been signed yet," Bertman said.
Ain't over ain't over ain't over.
Fuck Bill Martin and Carr for fucking this whole thing up. This whole goddamn thing has been poorly managed the entire time. Carr really fucked this up when he retired when he did. Unless Michigan had a coach ready to hire, then there was no reason for him to retire when he did. The whole BS line about losing a recruiting class is crap too. So what, not becasue we have no clue who we're going to hire, our current recruits become prey to other schools and we can't recruit anyone because we have no coach. Makes tons of sense.
Sorry folks, the hopes of becoming a national power are done. The Big Ten will be Ohio State and everyone else for the foreseeable future.
Fuck.
lllllloydd carr finally got ohio state - he submarined that buffoon les miles out of the hc job. thanks a lot, lllllloyd.
I'm with Dude on this one. Our program's regression has actually accelerated.
I am only sure of one thing: I HATE FUCKIN' CBS. ALL MICHIGAN MEN UNITED -- BOYCOTT CBS!
yep, bluewolv, Michigan will now have to be pulled into reality kicking and screaming.
now the CBS bobbleheads are teeing off on tOSU.
This sounds all too familiar:
" Miles previously had denied reports that he interviewed for the LSU job, though sources had been saying he met with officials early in the week."
""This is difficult," Miles said. "This is a place that has been so important to me and my family."" (regarding Ok State)
I'm still trying to find the actual thread about what he said when asked about leaving and saying no then did.
Nobody in the AD is dumb enough to hire DeBord as HC.
I believe we've lost Miles. Fortunately there are talented others out there who I would be will be happy to coach UM. Kelly, Martin ...
Nothing about how the Miles situation played out is Michigan's fault. CBS announcers talk like Michigan should have secured a back room deal with Miles before letting Carr announce his retirement. IMHO, that's absolutely not how things should be done. Isn't that how NFL teams landed in hot water and wound up creating the Rooney rule?
Come on guys, we aren't defeatists here.
Keep the faith. Miles will STILL come to Michigan.
CBS: "Hate. Hate. Hate. Michigan. Hate. Big 10. Hate. Hate."
And the lead anchor looks like a used car salesman/child porn distributor. Creepy.
I hate to admit this but this whole ordeal is low rent, shenanigans. Since when does Michigan create a public soap opera and look so badly in doint it? We laughed when Notre Dame looked so bad in pursuing Urban Meyer and right now we look just as bad. I never thought the day would come when Michigan would be looking at option #3. No Ferent (thank god), no Miles, and here we are wondering we can get to take the job rather than fighting off applicants. It's a sobering reminder that we don't have the prestige that we used to have. I still think we can get a quality coach, but those of you that think Stoops or Rodriguez would come to Michigan are dreaming. Go Blue!
ON-FIELD PRE-GAME LSU SPORTS RADIO NETWORK INTERVIEW
Q: We're on the floor of the Georgia Dome with LSU head coach Les Miles. Coach, let's get it over with one last time. You are the head football coach at LSU right now. You will be the head football coach at next season. Right or wrong?
Les Miles: "Absolutely. I'm staying at LSU. This is a place I want to be. This is a place my family is very comforatable. This school has everything. It has an opportunity at victory and competing at the highest level. Personally, professionally, socially, we have friends here. I respect the young men that I coach. Anybody that I have signed, when I tell them I am going to be here, I was sincere. I'm the head coach at LSU and I'm going to be the head coach at LSU."
MICHIGAN - LSU. Make it happen God. I want to see the pure hatred between Lloyd and Miles.
does anybody remember a couple years ago when Roy Williams was coaching Kansas in the final four and rumors were swirling about him going to North Carolina (his alma mater)? He told a reporter "I dont give a fuck about north carolina" and announced the next week he was leaving to coach there. This means nothing.
my sources tell me rich kotite is on a plane to ann arbor as we type....stay tuned for further details.
All of you should collectively get on your knees and thank whatever higher powers that you believe that Les Miles will not be our coach.
Fuck you Les. Michigan Man my ass.
Big Jim-
Les also said this about Ok State
"This is difficult," Miles said. "This is a place that has been so important to me and my family."
We know what happened next...
JB.
Rich Kotite would be BOON! Thanks for the scoop hombre. I'll be dreaming about Rich Kotite now until it's announced. Fingers crossed for Rich Kotite!
peace out boys.
Believe me, this is the best thing that could have happened. Les is way overrated.
Please please please... let's hear some Tedford hype.
The CBS anchors are openly cheering for the SEC and calling out the Big Ten. What has this become?
If I watched any shows on CBS, I would boycott them. As is, I am just going to tell others to boycott the channel. "Grandma, no more JAG."
Latest ... HOT HOT HOT ... Ted Root will be introduced at 9 a.m. presser Monday. If you don't know who Ted Root is, you don't know college football.
lol.....not really, i was praying les miles would get the job.
go sooners!!
MillerTime:
Everything about CBS' CFB operation screams "small-time" and "overcompensation".
titleix:
Sometimes I feel like that whole Detroit auto industry mentality has infected the whole state of Michigan.
I'd like to see a lot MORE adapt, improvise, overcome, and a lot LESS "this is the way we've always done things, LOL!"
ARGH!
I have absolute confidence - ABSOLUTE, I mean, I am spending all my susbtantial credibility here (LOL) - that Miles will be interviewing with Michigan with the same liklihood of becoming the coach at Michigan today as there was yesterday.
Michigan did NOTHING, which is what they were supposed to do. Miles has done little (except maybe try to line up a replacement for Pelini whereever he ends up coaching). His beef is with ESPN and his AD.
difficult.... not ABSOLUTELY i am going to be at LSU next year.
i think it's over. fuck him. let's have a grudgematch in the citrus bowl.
Go Tennesseee. I want to see a Miles-Carr matchup...
ted root...........lol.
I was getting excited for the SEC game too. Now it's anticlimactic and I don't give a crap who wins it. Cuts the legs out from under my Saturday entertainment.
atlanta blue
let's go find les miles after the game and bitch him out for disgracing bo.
regard,ess of what us, the fans want, it seems clear that snagging Miles isn't all that high of a priority.
Meeechigan Dan - total agreement. Total.
@ Michigan Dan
Did you see Miles on CBS about 10 minutes ago? He said he will absolutely be the head coach at LSU next year.
Unless, he is being extremely technical and referring to Jan 1, 2008, I don't think he is coming to Michigan.
I am also starting to get on the Tedford bandwagon. This season was a disappointment, but wasn't this because of a QB injury. These are hard to recover from, especially when his whole gig is based on offensive scheming. I need to know more.
Can someone help me know more, since I don't really have a candidate currently (other than Stoops).
Hate fat Phil, but best thing for Michigan now is LSU getting crunched in the game, even if Les does still come.
What is CBS' basis for badmouthing Michigan right now (I'm at work and can't watch, sadly)? I still don't understand what Michigan has done wrong, other than maybe having Lloyd announce his retirement a little too early.
Go to HELL les, we don't need you.
DiNardo on BTN (take it for what it's worth) reports that LSU offered Miles an enhanced take it or leave it deal before gametime today.
My sources tell me that Ray Handley, former coach of the New York Giants, is driving to Ann Arbor right now to go for the job
What?, I don't buy it. It's at the point now where he has to assume the Michigan job is in danger. He has to play the reality of right now - he is and will be the LSU coach - very carefully.
Michigan can be squirrely and he knows that there is a faction that doesn't like him who may now be pulling the plug. I think that unlikely.
One they sit down, all that shit goes out the window and they either get it done or not based upon factors that haven't changed.
How many people still think he's coming? After he said that on CBS, do you think we want him? He knows that if he says that, it's over. It's why he's been SOOOOO vague thus far.
I smell a rat.
Either Herbsluts info is good or not.
If its good, then he ought to be drawn and quartered in the public square. releasing info like that hours before they play is self-seving at best and serves no other purpose than to sabatoge our coaching search.
if his onfo is not correct, all the above; strike self-seving and replace w/ criminal.
CBS is badmouthing Michigan because they hate the Big 10. It's the SEC network, don't you remember all their UF trolling last year?
In the few LSU games I watched this season, Miles made several questionable coaching decisions and a few outright stupid ones (e.g., time management in the Ar-KANSAS game.) He is not a great coach. At press conferences, he comes off like a doofus. I don't want a coach like that.
Maaaatt Damon
In fact, I think Les Miles is totally pissed at LSU. If the deal is to his liking after his interview with Michigan, he will jump at it. Until then, he has to be veeeeeeeeeeeeery careful and be an LSU man.
"Go to HELL les, we don't need you."
Aw c'mon. Miles has to do what's in his best interests. Remaining at LSU is the smart move -- more $, better talent, appreciative fans and "les" direct control by the AD
What about Larry Coker? He did a great job with Miami, ran an extremely clean program and he is the only one who can match Lloyd clap for clap. Also has some ties to the Midwest as he was an assistant at OSU. Go Larry!
I'm waiting for NBC (Notre Dumb Broadcasting Corporation) to jump on the anti-Michigan bandwagon on this one. CBC move over.
Scott - I know they hate Michigan, and who could forget the Florida nonsense last year. I'm just wondering exactly what it is they're saying that Michigan did wrong in this situation, or how we're at fault.
make that CBS.
This looks bleak. But we've GOT to still contact Miles and make sure he's positive that he wants to stay. Come on, Michigan's his dream job - does he really want to coach in that armpit of a state the rest of his career?
Gnarls-
Spencer Tillman keeps saying, "Michigan didn't do Les Miles any favors," implying that not only was it somebody from Michigan's side that leaked the story, but that Michigan was having back room conversations with Miles already.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Michigan went through the proper channels and asked permission, and permission was granted after the game. For Michigan to risk the hiring, NCAA sanctions, and anything else, by talking to him TWO DAYS EARLY, would be so insanely stupid I can't fathom that even Martin would do it.
This is no joke: MATT MILLEN is being interviewed, AS WE SPEAK, for the job. He will bring the M&M boys -- Mariucci, Marinelli, Martz and Morningweg to run the team. Now you know what the Block M stands for!
Found it...
If LSU coach Les Miles’ words this week sound a little familiar, there’s a reason. We’ve heard this before:
Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State: “When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU.
Read the rest of Tulsa World Sports Editor Mike Strain's blog
http://www.tulsaworld.com/webext...spx?
column_id=8
Gary Moeller -- we'll have to agree to disagree, because there are dozens of ways for Mary Sue or Lloyd to put the brakes on this without making Michigan look like buffoons. They gain nothig from that.
The easiest thing, on Mary Sue's side, would be to convince the Regents that in these difficult times we can't afford to pay (whatever number they come up with). Then the deal falls apart over money, the worold nods sagely (because Michigan is notoriously cheap) and the search goes on.
This imbroglio is the about the worst thing that can happen, on all sides.
Look... he has an agreement with LSU for an extension, we know that. He hasn't signed it. And nothing can happen on LSU's side until Dec 6. So as far as we all know, he WILL be the coach at LSU next year. That's only b/c WE haven't met with him yet. It's not over. And Miles isn't lying, he has no idea if Michigan will even offer, right?
Any word on an explanation from Herbstreit? I haven't seen him on since Gameday.
gnarls, I don't know. My guess is that they're assuming that it was a Michigan source that leaked to Herbstreit?
dudes--
they've been talking to Les ALLLLL season.
don't be naive and think that this has all gone down in a few weeks.
seriously!?
You might find this info interesting on the LSU website:
ON-FIELD PRE-GAME LSU SPORTS RADIO NETWORK INTERVIEW
Listen to the full interview in the Geaux Zone
Q: We're on the floor of the Georgia Dome with LSU head coach Les Miles. Coach, let's get it over with one last time. You are the head football coach at LSU right now. You will be the head football coach at next season. Right or wrong?
Les Miles: "Absolutely. I'm staying at LSU. This is a place I want to be. This is a place my family is very comforatable. This school has everything. It has an opportunity at victory and competing at the highest level. Personally, professionally, socially, we have friends here. I respect the young men that I coach. Anybody that I have signed, when I tell them I am going to be here, I was sincere. I'm the head coach at LSU and I'm going to be the head coach at LSU."
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArt...&
DB_OEM_ID=5200
well, there goes that. Les just said he will be the HC at LSU next year on CBS.
and to counter that this is what he said from Okie State
Found it...
If LSU coach Les Miles’ words this week sound a little familiar, there’s a reason. We’ve heard this before:
Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State: “When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU.
Read the rest of Tulsa World Sports Editor Mike Strain's blog
LARRY! LARRY! LARRY!
But Michigan's his dream job!!! It HAS to be!!!
Doesn't it?? Doesn't it??!!
fuckin' morons, y'all are.
What is CBS' basis for badmouthing Michigan right now (I'm at work and can't watch, sadly)? I still don't understand what Michigan has done wrong, other than maybe having Lloyd announce his retirement a little too early.
Gnarls Woodson | 12.01.07 - 4:02 pm |
Quite simply: it was wrong for Lloyd Carr to announce his retirement without them having an agreement with another coach already in place. Which would be (1) unethical, as it would necessitate lying to his players and conducting coaching searches behind the backs of other athletic directors, undermining them and (2)flat out impossible if you want to do a more thorough coaching search than hiring Mike Sherman after one phone call. The media would report it just as they are reporting all these other rumors.
By CBS standards, it was ethical for Auburn to try to line up Petrino a couple years ago.
JB-
I'm all for john cooper. He beat everyone including Ohio State. He is a true Michigan man, and showed it time and time again by folding during the last game of the regular season.
WOW....Big Ten Network states that Miles accepted a deal from LSU last night BEFORE any of this crap today. Also, DiNardo states that Miles NEVER spoke to Michigan about the head coaching job, that Michigan only asked permission.
I can see why Les was so furious during the press conference. That leak was COMPLETELY false, and he took the LSU offer yesterday specifically in order to save his players from all the distraction today.
From an Ohio State fan...this whole Miles to Michigan things seems like it was just a pub-machine created entity.
Herbstreit is just another idiot from OSU. Way to go Captain Kirk. Moron.
sound bite before the SEC Championship Game:
Miles: I am LSU's coach and I will be next yr.
Reporter: You will be next yr?
Miles: Yes.
So what felt worse, this, or App State?
We have to hope LSU beats Tenn now, otherwise Michigan is going to get blamed for the loss.
Even though it seems like he's definitely staying, I'm still hoping and can hear it now "At that time, I believed I was staying."
from a Michigan fan...it was a former Buckeye who started this whole mess in the first place.
I want some analysis from Brian on the coaching options, not just him wringing his hands as more les miles rumors are revealed.
As far as he knows at this time. He hasn't been offered any other jobs yet.
Some of you guys so quick to fall over are as faint of heart as the French. Vous aurez des tribulations dans le coaching search; mais prenez courage!
If Miles is definitely staying at LSU, why wouldn't he just say so, and really pump up his team?
I think Miles will talk to Martin before the night is over, and I have yet to hear anything to cause me to think otherwise.
This whole thing would have been defused much quicker and quieter if it was the Michigan athletic department issuing the denial. After the report came out this morning, a simple, "We have not finished interviewing, we have not made a decision, and we certainly have not made an offer," from Martin would have rendered the Miles presser, the talk of the extension from LSU, and the whole current clusterfuck unnecessary and useless.
I think it's stupid of the Michigan AD to force Miles and LSU into this position by its silence when a simple denial on their side would have shut everybody up.
Les Miles to CBS reporter: "I will be the head coach at LSU next year."
CBS reporter to Miles: "You will be the head coach at LSU next year?"
Miles to CBS reporter: "Absolutely."
wow lsu onside kick to start the sec title game.
@ geaux
You just used the word ya'll. Therefore, you are a waste of space and a retard. We'll take our federal funding back now.
Not really, an "insider source" gave him this information. Someone on the search committee gave false info.
Everyone knows the contraction is y'all.
All I am rooting for this year in the bowl season is for the SEC to be exposed.
It's been said before but:
Miss. State has a winning record (only ooc game was not even close)
Bama lost to UL Monroe and Florida State
Tenn. exposed against California (7th out of 10 in the pac ten)
Auburn loses at home to 4th place team in the Big East
South Carolina lost it's only out of conference game. (the the 5th team in the ACC - in total record),
What has this conference done, other than sign a good deal with CBS. Florida won impressively last year. Then they lost a good portion of the team. Spread the word.
The only way this makes sense is if Les Miles has no real desire to coach at Michigan. If you believe he wants to coach Michigan and badly, then no amount of this leak/denial/leak crap changes that. You still have a phone call coming tomorrow morning.
At that point, the power is in Les's hands. I am disturbed he was, for the first time, definitive in that interview above, but I would guess he is spooked that Michigan might not come calling and playing it safe.
This is not the end of the world. Miles is a good motivator and great recruiter. He is not Bill Walsh as an offensive mind, Bill Belichick as a defensive mind, Bo Schembechler as a motivator wearing Bear Bryant's hat.
I think Bertman really wanted to keep him and offerred himm ungodly money. Good for him.
As for CBS, I haven't watched them with the sound on since Danielson tongue bathed Meyer's privates last year.
Why is everyone shocked by what Les Miles says now?
You really think that he'll go, 'Oh yeah, I'm planning to talk to Michigan on Monday.'
You won't know until December 6th, even though you can argue that Miles can still finagle his way out of that extension later on anyway.
But still, what he said on the LSU radio show was either just Tiger-ganda just to reassure his team or a solid Michigan diss.
Eh, I meant to write y'all. I still want my tax dollars back.
Another question is how will LSU's fans, boosters, et al. react to the so-called "sweatheart deal" to keep Miles by LSU's AD if they don't win the SECCG today?
MDan, i'm w/ you...today was a net sum of ZERO:
9am: ESPN says Miles + tenuta to Mich. +1
11am: Carty + DEtnews says miles to LSU deal is not contract confirmes at presser. -1
2pm: no confirmed contract at presser. miles says nothing of consequence. 'i speak for myself' +ZERO
the bottom line is that A) this was a heck of a crazy day, B) we're essentially in the same spot as we were 24 hrs ago.
Nothing says "it's over" any clearer than Miles calling an onside kick to start the game. That says it all, IMO. That's precisely what I meant when i was saying that Miles is too big for UM.
Someone needs to alert people in the old threads when a new post comes up, I've been suck below for an hour.
"next year" just means a BCS bowl. technically, that's not lying.
Honestly, after all of this, I am exhausted. I can't recall when I was more undecided about how I wanted a game to turn out than this one (SECCG).
ARE YOU GUYS NOT WATCHING THE GAME!?!
MILES JUST SAID HE WOULD BE AT LSU NEXT YEAR
IT'S OVER!!!!!
He said it at the begining of the game
She asked him, will you be here next year and he said, yes I will be the coach!
Unless he's nick saban its all over
Lets move on...
11am: Carty + DEtnews says miles to LSU deal is done w/ contract confirmes at presser. -1
Go vols! les is a bum, they were supposed to win the national championship but will fail to win their conference.
Jetemy, it's been discussed to death. Read the thread.
Wouldn't it be interesting if this game were to be decided by a Les Miles coaching decision?
touchdown
Craig,
I agree, I really don't know who to root for, if miles pulled an OSU and said "FUCK MICHIGAN," then I want Rocky Top to win, but if he is still interested go tigers!
Fatass Phil Fool-mer seems to have a pretty good game plan so far... Can't same the same for Bo "One foot out the door, but I did beat Sparty in the Alamo Bowl as interim head coach" Pelini.
then why are we still talking about him still coming?
are the people in here not all up on this?
SO...who's next
and go Tennessee
TD Tennessee. Go vols.
im out. I'll be back after the game to see if there is any new news. "Les Miles signs extension deal at halftime"
I came down to Bama for grad school...As a Bama student, I HATE Tennessee. I'm rooting for the Vols today. LSU is going to look mighty dumb paying Miles crazy money if they lose to Tennessee today. HA!
Jeremy, read. It's all there.
I was as big a proponent of Les coming to AA as anyone, but I'm honestly not sure how I'd feel if he threw everything to the wind and said he was coming here after all.
I just saw LSU get skinned on a read option (from spread formation) by a mobile QB and a DB get a serious case of gator arms to allow a UT TD pass on the same drive.
Tennessee's not this good...or am I missing something?
**Craig**
Why do you say he might still be interested?
did you not hear him...
He's said it himself, he'll be at LSU
HE SAID THAT AT OKIE STATE TOO!!!
Read the thread.
Dear Sparty,
Enjoy your bus ride to Ford Field, Little Brother.
Brian - how about some analysis on the remaining coaching candidates? Renew the Profiles in Coaching series.
I hope Martin has wiped the egg off his face and has started making some calls to
1. Urban Meyer
2. Gary Pinkel
3. Brian Kelly
Officially, Michigan hasn't even talked to Miles so I don't see this as a complete PR fiasco.
Besides, if Miles didn't have the Michigan background, would people still be having this hissy about him not coming here? I don't think so.
There are plenty of good coaches out there BM and the committee just need to get of their asses and work at it.
I like Brian Kelly. Here are some others. Thoughts?
Jeff Tedford
Jim Grobe
Gary Pinkel
Chris Peterson
Bobby Petrino
Butch Davis
Urban Meyer
Tyrone Willingham
June Jones
Dan Hawkins
Some of these names are out there but the world is not over people. It better not be Debord though. I'll cancel my tickets then. Ugh!
No love for Larry Coker? I say we get good old Uncle Fester on the phone.
Blast32 what do you think of the B.Kelley as head coach and Chuck Martin as Defensive Coordinator?
I've watched a couple of minutes of the SECCG and find it hard to believe that Nebraska wants Bo Pellini and we want Les Miles. I seriously don't think you guys understand the meaning of a Michigan Man! Here's a clue though it has nothing to do with graduating or playing for the school.
Jeremy-I mean a decision on the field, not off of it.
"You just used the word ya'll. Therefore, you are a waste of space and a retard. We'll take our federal funding back now."
Relax asshole, and dont be so judgmental.
I'm from MI (5th generation) and live in the south now; sometimes I say y'all as well. It's a useful (albeit grammatically incorrect) contraction that is well understood by the populace . As they say, when in Rome.....
Les Miles to CBS reporter: "I will be the head coach at LSU next year."
CBS reporter to Miles: "You will be the head coach at LSU next year?"
Miles to CBS reporter: "Absolutely."
January 1, 2008 is next year. If Miles coaches LSU in their bowl game, he's coaching LSU "next year." That doesn't rule out Miles coaching Michigan next year. A long shot, I know, but at this point I'll take long shots if only because I'm not as high on any of the other potential candidates.
I only wonder if Miles will regret this decision on his death bed.
Let's add this all up:
1. LSU grants UM permission to talk to Miles after SEC Championship.
2. According to all sources UM has no direct contact w. Miles.
3. Herbstreit opens yap prior to SEC Championship. Says Miles and Tenuta are a done deal at UM.
4. Miles denies report. Calls it misinformation.
5. LSU Chancellor announces agreement with Miles via agent. Terms of new deal agreed upon but deal is not signed.
RESULT: WTF? Miles is an a-hole. Bill Martin is an a-hole. ESPN isn't the journalistic paragon I assumed it to be. LSU is playing us. DeBord is f#$*ing us! LSU is getting played. Rich Rodriguez made this all happen.
In other words, chaos.
Now let's subtract the one bit of information released that isn't directly from UM, LSU or Miles: KHerb's leaky scoop o' poop.
1. LSU grants UM permission to talk to Miles after SEC Championship.
2. According to all sources UM has no direct contact w. Miles.
3. LSU makes sweetened offer to preempt Miles leaving. Miles agrees in principle via agent but no deal is signed and no public statement is made.
RESULT: UM wants Miles but so does LSU. He'll have a tough decision to make.
Bottom line is chaos is better for the media, but not for truth. That's because today's media, especially the sports media, is about content creation. It simply doesn't fill enough news cycles just to report known facts.
Think about it. Herbie's report created at least three actual news events: MIles' response, LSU's response and UM's response. Not to mention rampant speculation by "experts" like Robert Smith and Doug Flutie. That's way better for ESPN et al than Herbie saying "It's a toss up. UM wants Miles but so does LSU. I guess we'll have to wait and see."
All of this bs aside, I find it almost impossible to root for TN in those God-awful all-orange uniforms.
The only thing we know is, it will be one helluva comfortable death bed. LSU plays to win. They pay accordingly.
Hard to blame Miles too much here.
You know the guy that preceded you at your 'dream job' is opposed to your hiring and will still be in the AD.
Your current employers are throwing a hell of a lot of cash at you to stay.
Laughably, your dream job's administration hasn't even talked to you or your agent yet.
Smart move is to stay, even if it means abandoning your dream.
Martin, Carr, Coleman, whoever is behind this mess...well, congrats. Michigan can stay mired in mediocrity and tout the values of academics (while graduating half your players) and integrity (whatever the hell that means anymore).
Fuck it all.
Can we agree on something?
Never say the name Mike DeBoard again!
serious people-MDB is not going to be the next coach.
It will not happen, so stop it!
drop it
move on
EXACTLY. Truth hurts, but we're still michigan.
Michigan kept silent because to say otherwise would have been LYING.
Good riddance Les.
@ Craig-
Makes it easier on the fans. They can wear it to the ballgame on Saturday, wear it out huntin' on Sunday, then wear it back working the prison road crew on Monday.
Apologies to everybody who's heard that before.
Jacob Hester = Rob Lytle.
I don't understand the backlash toward Miles? Miles hasn't done anything wrong. As far as we know, no one has been offered the HC position at Michigan. Miles likely really hasn't spoken to anyone yet.
Right now, Les Miles has a contract with LSU and probably no other job offers. Would it have been better if, rather than saying he would be back next year, he said, "Right now, I have a contract with LSU and no other job offers"? That would've been quite a response.
So far, all we've done is request permission to contact him. We'll interview him tomorrow or Monday. Les hasn't done anything wrong here though, and Michigan hasn't either. ESPN screwed up, and the LSU AD pissed off Les by saying a little too much.
BLee, some things never get old...much like Rick Astley tunes (see last thread)
I'm going to hold my nose and say it:
COME ON, ROCKY TOP!
An LSU loss will cause its inbred idiot fans to call for Miles's head. Les will hear that and think, "What do I need this crap for?"
Danielson: "This is where Matt Flynn is going to be missed; third and long."
Ummm, not sure if you've been watching this year, but Matt Flynn sucks. Seriously.
@Chris
I am at least proud we have an AD with a code of ethics. Martin stood by his promise to not contact Les until after the SEC-CG, which may have been his fatal mistake. I am glad we do not have an administration that pulls behind the scenes negotiations and money grabs.
I agree with everyone that says UM and Bill Martin have handled this correctly. They have only been public about interviewing DeBord and English. Outside of that, they haven't publicized anything. Even the request to speak with Miles was announced by the LSU AD. Martin's done everything above board and has tried to be classy about the whole thing. If Miles isn't coming, then fine, let's move on. But don't say Michigan is being classless or going through the process the wrong way.
On the other hand, I really don't want him if he can't beat Phil Fulmer (never could, never will add the -ip)
\Makes it easier on the fans. They can wear it to the ballgame on Saturday, wear it out huntin' on Sunday, then wear it back working the prison road crew on Monday.//
Now that's funny, I don't care who y'are...that's FUNNY, right there!
PS: That works for Clemson, too.
I do have a question about Martin and the way he's handled this. Why did he have to ask LSU for permission to speak with Miles the week of the SEC Championship game? Obviously even if LSU said yes, they were going to request that he wait until after the game was played. So why not just wait until Sunday to make the initial outreach?
Ryan Perrilloux is the truth.
foofery is a funny word. any reference i could find to it was a blog titled "whole lot of nothin'." that i found ironic.
I was on the mgoblue site and there was an LSU poster that said Miles was going to Michigan but he was required to keep the Michigan staff so he said screw you.
Has anyone else heard or read that.
I agree TX, I don't think there was any obligation on BM to say anything today, especially to unsubstantiated reporting. He is doing exactly what he said he would do, wait until after the SECCG to contact Miles. If Miles doesn't come, he doesn't come. But so far no one from the university looks bad. I sincerely hope it stays that way. Are you hearing me Desmond??!!...
Jeez, I go out for a few hours and WTF!!!!!????!!!!
If this turns out to be true (MIles staying at LSU) then at least we know that money IS really all he cares about.
On the bright side a lot more drama and plane tracking on the way.
I just don't see why people are taking this Les thing so hard.
The sun doesn't rise and set in his pants.
Keep Moving Forward!
I have 3 questions for the audience:
1. Is it possible that either Lloyd or one of the "lloydies" leaked the M deal is done on purpose to Herbstreit to blow the deal up and force Miles to deny 2 hours before the SEC championship? That would show more intelligence and strategy than Lloyd has shown in a long time, but a curious question.
2. Why would Miles agree to a deal with LSU before talking to Michigan? He could play both sides and get a better deal and keep his options open if he waited. Why would he decide now? If he is smart, he would not, which might mean he did not.
3. How long are we going to let Lloyd and the Lloydies screw up our program? He has done enough damage this year, why let him ruin the future? Cmon...does anyone really think Kirk Ferentz has any positive impact? He is the Lloydies choice. I say, give Lloyd a gold watch and buy him a condo in Florida and get him the hell out of Fort Schembechler.
Maybe wishful thinking, but I want to believe this is not over. Miles is the guy to restore some passion in this program and we should pull out the stops to get him!
\Matt Flynn sucks.//
Today Matt Ryan does, as well.
@tool
I never heard anything about that. I would assume Martin would let Les form his own staff similar to when he hired Beilein.
i say we go for bill cowher. i'd love to see his chin under a michigan hat!
I can't believe that Lloyd is that cunning. I tried to believe, but I just can't do it. Not after watching the UM-OSU game this year.
Hey Sparty:
What felt worse? This year's loss to us, or the five before it... in a row...
Eat yourself, your mouth is big enough.
Blue in A2, Lloyd sucks it doesn't suprise me he is still a screw up.
He'll haunt Michigan fans for a long time if there are any Michigan fans left after this.
No NFL retread is gonna coach UM.
Please, no NFL coaches. Pete Carroll is the exception, not the rule.
No way Lloyd would blow it up in this way. He may not like Les, but he's still the man that he is...in other words, he's not going to do something completely classless like that to undermine a decision. Lloyd would voice his concern to Martin, but would never use the media like that. Completely out of the question.
Losing out on Miles will only increase pressure to make a splashy hire.
"The sun doesn't rise and set in his pants."
But his Lesticles are actually planetary bodies that move through the nighttime sky. Haven't you ever seen the diagrams of the constellation Sigma Lesticulus?
I'm with sideburns
-no nfl guys, please.
Musket, there's a reason no one responded to Sparty. Most realize that MSU no longer even deserves to pull up a chair to the discussion table regarding anything to do with college football. They've lost all credibility.
I really hope that the LSU posting is not true that M made it a requirement to keep the staff. I would not come either under those conditions. Would any of us risk our job on Mike Debord's prehistoric offense? I shouldn't be so hard on him, that offense did win 3 games at CMU!
I live in DC and have a friend who works at ABC News, which is owned by the same parent company as ESPN. I called her and asked "WTF?" She works in the News division so she didn't know, but said she'd check around and get back to me.
She called at 3:30 to tell me that everyone at ESPN is going batshit. A screw up of this magnitude is indescribable. GameDay is one of their most highly rated shows and Herbstriet is one of their rising stars. This can be career ending for the people involved. They felt they had the story. They ran with it. Their source was on the Michigan side, not the LSU side. It came from "the highest levels of the football program."
Folks, Herbstriet is no fool. This is a big deal. We either screwed this up royally, or it was deliberately sabatgoged.
Thats BS.
The Lloyd conspiracy theory is fun, but unrealistic. Unless Debord is announced as the next head coach.
Is it just me, or does LSU's defense suck?
Aaaaaaand we're back to NOT having Les Miles come to Michigan. Ok, fine.
Best of luck to you, Les. Apparently this wasn't your dream job. And because of that, you weren't our dream coach. There has to be mutual interest, otherwise there will be NO interest.
And as much as I loved Les Miles, I think everybody should calm down. There are other fish in the sea, and provided we ignore the fish labelled "Ferentz" and "DeBord," then I think we'll be ok. At the very least, I suspect there are coaches out there that actually want the Michigan job, as opposed to Les who, you know, kindasorta wanted the job.
One more time: fuck CBS and fuck Spence Tillman for trying to blame Michigan for whatever the hell it is that Michigan supposedly did (CBS and Tillman never said). And does anyone at ESPN want to have Herbstreit explain his story?
According to LSU, they hammered out this extension with Les Miles' agent last night. Yet this morning Herbstreit reports Miles is going to Michigan. Okay, so Herbstreit got it wrong, and his source gave him bad info.
Now I know we live in weird times when it comes to "journalist ethics," but generally when a reporter gets rolled by a source (and how could Herbstreit have NOT been rolled if he got it this wrong?), the journalism is allowed to "out" the source.
Oh, Herby? Who was it, Herby? Who fed you the bullshit? I would love for ESPN to explain how they got this so wrong.
looks like Bo Pelini is going out with a bang...
Boobery. What mess...
I don't think it's total BS. It sounds remarkably plausible.
hahaha Lesticles huh? Nice!
What's Mark Mangino then? The big Mangina
I don't understand why UM's athletic department gets the blame for this mess. I think they did the classy thing by letting Miles coach the SECCG and then plan on talking to him. I don't think it was a matter of Michigan not wanting him and that is why they never called him. It was a matter of letting him finish his job, then speaking w/ him. Michigan never created this "distraction."
Do people really think Herbstreit had an ulterior motive for making that announcement this morning? Honestly, I almost spit out my coffee when he said that. My prediction was Monday, latest Wednesday before anything at all would be announced.
I'm betting the source has a little statue of a stiff-arming guy....
If we can't get Miles, I'm all for Brian Kelly or bust.
This has Lloyd Carr written all over it. He was an asshole as a coach and he's an asshole now that's he's retired. Shit it's also partly because of ESPN. Miles wouldn't have had all that pressure on him had they just kept their mouths shut and now let the LSU team know. Can you imagine how the guys on that team felt pregame towards Miles? If that were me I'd be God damned pissed. Michigan shouldn't have spread all those rumors. I bet that's exactly what Carr wanted. Now we'll never get Miles. Not now, and not after they fire Debord for a 4-8 season. Michigan can finally play at Notre Dame's new level. I resign as a Michigan fan. Go Spartans. At least they're building a program.
does LSU's defense suck?
Not as bad as BC's offense. Seiously.
If he can't beat Phil Fool-mer I don't want him.
Plenty of fish in the sea...
No kidding, Johnny. I thought they were hyped but not this much hype.
Why do we (Michigan) get in the way of ourselves?
wow, TN gave up 1500 yards in their 3 losses??!! Now THAT'S a statistic!
@dcdave
"The highest levels of the Michigan program"? Could it be a "LLoydie"?
It would not be hard to predict that Miles would go nuts if they announced it 2 hours before gametime. Great way to blow up the hire. I guarantee there are people in Fort Schembechler trying to find a way to derail Miles. All the more reason we should still go after him.
Herbstreit went to tOSU, right? I've never liked that clown anyway.
If Michigan had some big brass ones, Martin would call North Carolina and talk to Butch Davis.
Anyone blaming Coach Carr for this should wake up to cash reality. LSU backed up a dump truck of money before Michigan even TALKED to the guy... in the end money talks and Miles has got it pretty sweet there. Loads to talent. Financial appreciation. And success.
No doubt UM talked to Miles thru an intermediary. That way each side can deny having talked directly to the other one.
Anyway, the way Miles is handling/has handled this has made my opinion of him drop considerably. If he's staying (as ESPN is reporting now) then why hasn't he gone ahead and outright said it?...It seems it's because he's a major league dumbass/asshole/redneck fuck up. Hopefully the way it seems to me is just wrong and it will all look hunky-dory when the whole story comes out.
Butch davis just signed an extension - he's a good coach but there are much better options out there.
After all is said and done, I can't wait to see what dirt Brian is going to dig up about this mess...should rival any tabloid fodder...
I think this whole crazy episode is going to enter the curriculum of J-Schools everywhere: Rumor-Mongering 101: Unverified Voracity Ain't the Same As Veracity
Apparently you put on orange pants and suddenly you can't tackle. I did not know that.
If anyone honestly believes that Lloyd Carr was somehow involved in all of this, is an "asshole," and wanted to somehow sabotage or harm the University of Michigan in any way, they have absolutely no idea who Lloyd Carr or what it is he stands for.
Go Vols
Re: Herbstreit
Herbie's Insider: "Les Miles is a done deal (as far as the administration's decision). He's flying up Monday or Tuesday (to interview)."
How big a jump is it to this:
"Les Miles is a done deal (the deal is done). He's flying up Monday or Tuesday (to sign the contract)."
I'm just thinking out loud as to how ESPN could have fucked this up so royally.
And, boy is it going to be a long day for the Ducks.
Why no talk of Dorrell, Nehuesial, or Barnett? They seem like pretty good options.
Fuck Lloyd Carr
JHS - How could you leave Callahan off your list?!?
"Why no talk of Dorrell, Nehuesial, or Barnett? They seem like pretty good options."
You're kidding, right?
Does anyone believe the business about requiring Miles to keep current staff members? I have not been a big Miles supporter, but if that's the case, I sure don't blame him. And if it's true, we've got much bigger problems than I ever dreamed......
If there is one thing I have learned... nothing is done until the deed is signed. High chance Miles is not our coach, but Roy Williams said the same thing about North Carolina... Saban said the same things about both the Dolphins and Bama... I don't know. We shall see.
@Gnarls
Sorry i forgot about Callahan, Franchione and ted roof!
Gnarls-Personally, I don't think Lloyd had anything to do with the current situation, but if Miles doesn't end up here, I will not be able to help but believe that he was involved in some way.
Fuck Lloyd Carr
TOOL2112 | 12.01.07 - 4:49 pm | #
"TOOL" couldn't possibly be a more appropriate name.
Anyway, I think going after Kirk Ferentz was an IDIOTIC move. He was a mediocre coach and what Lloyd wanted. Les was probably pissed that Ferentz, a mediocre coach was M's first choice and not him who really liked to be M's head coach.
The fact that Les didn't deny it until the ESPN report came out suggests one of two things is true:
1) Les whored out for the money - agreed to a deal last night that made up his mind
OR
2) Bill Martin submarined this on purpose to get public support for whomever he chooses now. Les was pushed away.
I'm inclined to number two, which pisses me off. Any coach we get will be a bad choice until he proves good as far as I'm concerned, because I've lost trust in the people making the decision. Tactically and as men (and 1 woman), they're out in my mind.
it's over...anyone thinking otherwise is in pure denial. He said point blank that he will be at LSU next year....absolutely. Nothing posted from his days at OSU so far has shown that he said anything nearly as definitive when he bolted to LSU. He's pretty much boxed himself in a corner here credibility-wise when he said that he'll be coach at LSU next year...maybe that wasn't what he wanted, maybe LSU totally boxed him into it....all I remember was that the LSU AD said that they'll "...do whatever it takes to keep him...." some time ago...and it looks like they did.
One more time in case you missed it!
Here is the final word:
Read it and bring on the new guy
Q: We're on the floor of the Georgia Dome with LSU head coach Les Miles. Coach, let's get it over with one last time. You are the head football coach at LSU right now. You will be the head football coach at next season. Right or wrong?
Les Miles: "Absolutely. I'm staying at LSU. This is a place I want to be. This is a place my family is very comforatable. This school has everything. It has an opportunity at victory and competing at the highest level. Personally, professionally, socially, we have friends here. I respect the young men that I coach. Anybody that I have signed, when I tell them I am going to be here, I was sincere. I'm the head coach at LSU and I'm going to be the head coach at LSU."
Bill it's seems like it's BS that Miles has to keep Carr's staff but that sure sounds like Michigan to me.
Who knows.
Again, ESPN would not lead their show with the news based on a misunderstood, innocuous comment from a second tier source. It's a news organization, not a blog. People lose their jobs cause of stuff like this.
And anybody who doesn't think Lloyd Carr is a good bureauratic infighter does not know what it takes to be a successful college coach.
Jeremy, thanks for the transcript.
Les Miles no longer seems like a fuck up, he is a fuck up.
"If anyone honestly believes that Lloyd Carr was somehow involved in all of this, is an "asshole," and wanted to somehow sabotage or harm the University of Michigan in any way, they have absolutely no idea who Lloyd Carr or what it is he stands for."
He doesn't wanna harm the University of Michigan. He's just an asshole who doesn't want himself to look bad after Miles turns the program around, fires all his coaches, whom he hired because they were his good friends, and wins a national championship. Carr doesn't like Miles. He wants the new head coach to be his friend too. And Carr is an asshole, and a worse than mediocre coach. He has much less class than anyone made him out to have after his retirement. A true coach with class and talent would be Jim Tressel. I wish Michigan could have gotten him. And yes, I'm a Michigan fan. But I envy those Buckeyes like no other.
Is it possible that he agreed to an extension but still has the option to talk to Michiga? In other words he has an extension IF he does not accept the Michigan job. That would be smart of Miles to get LSU to commit in writing to their deal with him before the SECCG. He has their deal in hand, and uses it to negotiate with Michigan? The Dec 6th date gives him time to see what Michigan wants to do. I don't know why he would agree to anything with LSU without playing the "Michigan offered me the job card". If Miles (or his agent) are smart, they would not have agreed to anything with LSU unless they had an offer from Michigan because it gives him maximum negotiating power. If true this means either: a) he had a M offer and leveraged it with LSU or b) he has conceptually agreed to a deal with LSU but intends to still talk to M.
And did you read he said the exact same thing at Okie State, and even signed a December contract extension? And yet he ended up at LSU.
I think we just need to wait and see how this plays out this time.
"2. Why would Miles agree to a deal with LSU before talking to Michigan?"
$.
when he asked if he could talk with MI, he was holdinjg up LSU for BIG money. it worked.
Lloyd may not be actively attempting to sabotage the coaching transition, but I defintiely believe his decision to announce his retirement at the time he did forced everyone else's hand and put the Michigan AD at a disadvantage they wouldn't have otherwise.
For that he IS an asshole, clearly.
Gnarls I hope they hire Debord just for you. Get your excuse book out again.
I just wish the truth would come out. Who did what and when.
Anyone who bitched about the dropoff from Henne ( 4 year starter) to Mallett (true frosh) should watch Oregon right now. Dixon and Leaf are both 5th year seniors, Leaf makes Mallett look poised.
Who was it last week that was defending leaf on here? Did you see him fail to score on a UCLA team that ND beat!?!11111!
@ Bill
I cannot imagine that Michigan would jeopardize the hire of the man they expect to lead their program for the next 20 years by requiring that he keep the current assistants. With the latitude that the AD has given Carr in all facets of the program, I cannot believe that they would immediately tighten the reins for the next guy.
Doesn't mean that it didn't or wouldn't happen, but it would be monumentally stupid of the AD to show that little faith in a potential head coaching hire, especially one that already has a great fallback option.
http://info.detnews.com/
redesign...FTOKEN=59871294
that is crazy.
CBS, just said that F-ING GameDay was the reason he has to address the issue
Other than the buyout clause, where did we even get the impression that Michigan was Miles dream job? Just because he's an alum? Did he ever go on record as saying that?
I'm wondering if his intent was to use Michigan all along just to get the big bucks out of LSU.
This is sweet. Reminds me of how I played those suckers in South Bend.
The only reason that I would interview for the job as head wrangler for the Possum Brigade is to fatten my paycheck down here in sunny Florida.
You guys gotta get real: DeBored is your coach now, so embrace the suck.
I wasn't aware of this story until I switched on Army-Navy in time to hear a rant from the CBS guys about some TERRIBLE thing Michigan did. Having read all the stories now, I just wanted to post that it seems like UM is handling this totally appropriately. Is the CBS coverage always that obviously slanted?
You guys need a coach, and you'll get a great one I'm sure. Unfortunately for Irish fans. I just hope that your AD stays patient and doesn't worry about saving face. Miles would probably be a great coach, but there are way too many coaches who are doing well and seemed to come from nowhere.
Lastly, it's just my opinion that Lloyd Carr was a great coach and a great man for college football. UM fans should be proud of his tenure.
Be Careful Jim, I think half of Lloyd's family is on here.
Wow, so far the Lesticle has only managed 2 FGs in the SECCG...
...sound familiar to anyone?
TOOL (ha!), I wanted Carr out as coach, and I've certainly never advocated for DeBord. I was (and am) a big Miles fan. My point was only that Carr, despite his shortcomings as a coach, is a good man, and wouldn't try and submarine the program in any way. It's not like he was forced out. He was ASKED to come back for another year.
I don't want a Saban-esque lair as UM's HC. Fuck Miles. A simple "No comment, I gotta game to win." would've handled that question on the field. Instead he outright lies. If he wanted to be the coach at UM he could've had it, instead he uses it for leverage. Fuck him.
I don't know if this has been said, but rumors are that Miles wanted to come to Michigan, but the athletic department made a stipulation that he had to keep Debord and English as his coordinators and that's what made the deal fall through.
I'm sorry, but this has Lloyd's fingerprints on it. Lloyd's faction appears to have won out or at least forced Martin into making only halfhearted overtures while LSU blew wet kisses.
I seriously doubt that a condition of taking the Michigan job would be retaining any of the staff. I don't think Martin is that stupid; he knows that no coach of any caliber will come here with that proviso. Besides which, there would be no reason for Carr to have negotiated two-year contracts for his staff, running through next season; that was done to protect them in case a new coach did not retain them.
Besides, If Martin stuck that provision in, then he would seriously jeopardize the stadium expansion because big donors would be mighty pissed. The big donors are all very successful bidness folks, and they all understand how these things work; none of them would take a job like this with a restriction of not being able to put your own people in.
If that was the case why the GT DC rumor that Herbie reported.
Miles got pressure from LSU to make a decision and crumbled. Not a Bo type of move coach.
@Jim
"A true coach with class and talent would be Jim Tressel. "
I wish our coach had enough class to recruit such character guys as Mo Clarret, Troy Smith, Santonio Holmes, and Robert Reynolds (to name a few).
I really think the leak came from the UM side....Herbstreit's exact words on gameday was "...a source close to the situation in Ann Arbor..."
ish, Wow.
Oh yeah. I don't want Miles now. If they do hire him I'll be pissed because he was such an ass about it.
CBS, just said that F-ING GameDay was the reason he has to address the issue
And how is that Michigan's fault? I hate CBS and I hate Spencer Tillman.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the Lloydies. Remember that he convienced BM to give them all 2 year deals. If BM is so smart, why did he agree to that if he knew that Lloyd was leaving? Also, remember Lloyd obviously thinks the world of them to the point of pushing dumb ass Debord as the next HC. Lloyd is blinded by his relationship with these bufoons and Martin thinks LC is a genius. Why else would he say "I want someone just like LC"? Give me a break. Lloyd retired and quit coaching a year ago and just waited until now to admit it. Martin has a lot to prove.
My point was only that Carr, despite his shortcomings as a coach, is a good man, and wouldn't try and submarine the program in any way.
It's not that Carr wants to sabotage the *program*. He just doesn't Miles to be the coach. He'll endorse Ferentz or other candidates, just not Miles. This wouldn't be problematic if Miles weren't the best available candidate. Sigh.
Other Chris-
Thank you. What he said in that sideline interview on CBS was absolutely no different than what he said in the press conference while still at Okie State.
I never thought I'd hate a network as much as Notre Dumb BC but CBS has really, really closed the gap today. Spencer Tillman is truly a jackass.
I don't put ANY stock in the entirely made up rumor that a condition of hiring Miles was a retention of the old staff. That makes no sense, and doesn't sound like Bill Martin.
Bill in Birmingham:
I'm not surprised that the requirement current staff be kept was floated.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think Michigan seriously planned to pay them a year's worth of salary while they did whatever they wanted with their time.
If this turns out to be true and we wind up with DeBord as the new HC then Michigan football as we knew it is basically dead.
Doesn't matter where the leak came from. This was Miles job if he wanted it. He is taking the $$$ over the job or he's lying on national TV. Fuck Miles and Wangler.
Does anyone think that the source close to the situation could be Desmond who is on the freaking search committee?
I would of been fine with Miles, But NOT anymore, he said No himself, thus he's out! thats it, that simple.
No Nick Saban action!
So, whos next
Desmond has been mentioned before in the thread and yes.
The story that ish posted makes a lot of sense to me. Why would you go to work somewhere if it is obvious that the people you will be directly working with really don't like you, and may not have your best interests at heart.
He seems to have full support from LSU, and that is much better than an angry Lloyd Carr scowling at you from across the room all day.
How much do we believe that Foster article "ish" just posted? Because that is crazy, changes lots.
Just a question from an outside observer, is Michigan willing to pay close to 3 million a year for a top level football coach? If not, why?
KBlow,
What did Wangler do to offend you? Curious.
It is known that Lloyd had angry ol' Bo scowling at him across the hall...It is pretty well known that Bo and Lloyd had more than a few disagreements on Lloyd's direction of the program
surely if Lloyd was scowling, Les would inform him "I am the HEAD coach!"
Believe me, UM is better off without this clown, as I've said all along. He can't go through a season without losing at least two games, he can't go through a game without being outcoached, and he can't go through a press conference without cursing or otherwise making it painfully obvious that he's not very smart.
yeah like lloyd winning a NC an Bo not!!!! Like using the passing game and Bo not!!!!
BDub-
I agree and I think if it's true it's very childish. Why put the best interests of the program to the side just to remain loyal to the old HC who's techniques were not producing great wins throughout the season.
If this is the case, I really have no respect for Lloyd or any of the coaching staff anymore.
Better to go 4-9 than have a winning season because you dislike someone? Thats real nice.
Hey Brian,
Remember that time that you unnecessarily lambasted Jordan Acker for his sources? Well, look where your "sources" and speculation got you. You picked apart another blogger or writer or whatever Acker is and now you have juevos on your face.
@Bill
Wangler was spreading that BS about UM being Miles dream job,that money wouldn't be a deal breaker, etc. Essentially he just helped his BFF score major cash by helping him play Michigan.
These are all smokescreens. Can't you people see this?
He hasn't signed anything!
Harbaugh Scramble--UM has had its fair share of legal/disciplinary problems with its players (Manningham and Arrington, just to name two from the past year), not just OSU.
He can't go through a season without losing at least two games, he can't go through a game without being outcoached,
Are you kidding me???? Look who we had as a coach for the last 13 years!! I'd take 2 times a year, that would be an upgrade. Seriously
Bill Martin trusts Carr's judgment and hence feels the need to have him involved. I strongly disagree, because Carr in my opinion does not deserve that respect. He is no Bo. So what Martin should have done was to give Carr a major yet useless post in the AD like some BS associate AD of football operations. Just collect paychecks and talk to donors once in a while. Instead MArtin seems to be leaning on Carr for making important decisions and this is adversely affecting our program!! He needs to quit listening to LLoyd and focus on doing what's right for the program!!
Bloggers will be bloggers
Anon,
I agree with some of your opinions about Miles. However, I'm getting concerned that this was a major institutional CF.
I said I'd stay away from the board when it was looking like Les, but this such a great day for UM football I couldn't resist. Just heard Lou Holtz and Mark May discussing Brian Kelly as a leading candidate for the UM job and I got more excited than I've been in weeks since this all began.
This would be the greatest hire for a program that has been so frickin' boring to watch for the past 25 years that I'm so excited by the possibility I can hardly stand it.
For all you who said, "Oh Brian Kelly doesn't have any loyalty or care for UM - his dream job is Boston College or the pros" - look no further than Les Miles as to why all this dream job talk is bullshit. Get the best coach, period. Do you not think Brian Kelly could have left GVSU a little earlier than the 15 years he stayed there after all his success?
Meeechigan Dan - you gotta let it go man. It's over. And it's for the best. Your credibility is ok with me. We can all be excited for the guy we actually hire because all the remaining candidates have no Blloyd left in their blood. (Deboring and English will never get the job). The University of Michigan football program is bigger than Bo and Lloyd. It was tremendously successful BEFORE Bo and Lloyd came and it will be even more incredible - on a national level - when new blood comes in to reinvigorate the program. This is really exciting stuff people! This is not a day to mourn. It is meant to be this way.
I just hope Kelly can emerge the winner. So glad that mainstream media has picked up on Kelly. This might at least get him an interview. And I believe all he needs is an interview to make believers out of this administration.
"Believe me, UM is better off without this clown, as I've said all along. He can't go through a season without losing at least two games, he can't go through a game without being outcoached"
Kinda sounds like Lloyd Carr.....
LSU stopped on 4th down again. Classic.
Just as I thought.. The LC faction got what they wanted. They ended up blowing up the deal. Read between the lines in Terry Foster's article.
http://info.detnews.com/
redesign...FTOKEN=59871294
How long are we going to allow these morons to ruin the Michigan program? LC is classy, but he is no coaching genius and no judge of character (he recommends a guy who was 3-34 for a MAC school). Why would anyone listen to him?????
I've typed this before here, and I'm going to just keep it on my notepad for quick reference:
1) If Lloyd has any substantial influence on the program, especially dictating that any asst coaches be kept, you are doomed and welcome to the 3rd tier of candidates.
2) Short list of people NOT returning your phone call: Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer. Most of you are intelligent, but some of you are simply delusional.
I feel bad for two guys who I think are good people: John Wangler and Herbie. Both of them put themselves waaaaay out there because of shit told to them, and through no fault of their own it didn't happen and they look stupid right now.
There's certainly no reason to doubt Wangler's motives. As for Herbstreit, he has on many occasions really boosted Michigan (like last year), and he is far from the SEC-tongue-bather that Danielson is. A whole lotta gullible people—including many on the internets—have taken at face value what they've heard or what they've read and treated it as fact. Now we know how people can still fall for the Nigerian letter scams and pigeon drops every day. If you desperately want to believe something, it's very easy to have the wool pulled over your eyes.
Brian Kelly is not a thug
I agree with yah pal. These morons would rather have a quality name than a quality coach. Good luck with that!
Faith and begorra! You lads are sumptin' else, floatin' me name 'round the Arbor. Dere's only one job I'd be intrested in takin', and it ain't in the Arbor.
Cincy:
No, I would not be at all surprised if Desmond let something slip to Herbie that shouldn't have gotten out yet. We may find out on tonight's ABC broadcast.
bigtenfan:
Michigan may still exist under the belief that the sign over the door saying "Michigan" will save them from paying top $$$ for a top level football coach.
There's also reports saying Kelly won't even get a sniff of the job.
I wouldn't be mad with Kelly but who knows what's going to happen at this point.
Terry Foster said some very interesting things. I can't imagine it all happened that fast. If it did, I honestly think it's b/c Lloyd couldn't bury a hatchet or otherwise.
Maybe Kirk got his info from this blog!
BKINAT,
I am impressed with what I've heard about Kelly. However, a Mark May endorsement will not earn him any medals in my book.
No matter what, I don't see Herbstreit selling out Desmond on national tv tonight.
Alright, I'm done with this soap opera for today. Go Vols!
Bill in Birmingham
I guess winning won't either then.
************************************
Here it is:
The official response from Kirk "a-hole" Herbstreit!
* * *
Herbstreit, who was working the Big 12 championship game for ABC Saturday night, said his information was solid.
"The guy I talked to has always been extremely accurate and he was confident that Les was going to be the Michigan coach," Herbstreit told the AJC. "But if LSU and Miles reacted the way they did, then that is the way the story played out. I felt good about the information when I went with it. I still feel good about it."
"2) Short list of people NOT returning your phone call: Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer. Most of you are intelligent, but some of you are simply delusional."
Amen, and thank you, Helga.
I agree that the Carr faction is one of the major reasons why this whole thing blew up....you can say what you want about Carr being "honorable" but then his reasoning about the timing of his retirement press conference made absolutely no sense. LC could have done what was best for the program and squashed his cronies and publicly stated that he would support Miles if hired or better yet just say that he'll leave the program and ride off into the sunset after a new HC was hired, but no, he has done no such thing since he still wants control over this program....which I believe is a major reason why Miles went ahead and agreed in principle with the LSU extension...so I'm putting this on Carr for thinking of "his guys" (the same incompetent people he's kept on staff for years) rather than what is best for the program as a whole....
Just a question. How many of you would still want Miles after all this? I'm a no.
I agree, if the game has passed you by, don't help with the coaching search to head the program in a new direction.
This "Civil War" game between the Oregons is really...wow. I think Oregon's getting the Eugene HS varsity QB warmed up on the sideline.
If anything else it give us an idea as to just how deep a QB depth chart runs.
And MGM/UA just called..."Rollerball" wants its uniforms back.
I like how you morons blame Kirk Herb for what's going on with Miles backing out. He's in the news business is he supposed to sit on a story he has. Ask Brian how that works!
I still would. I think he's been put in a tough position with all of the hoopla put out there today. He had to focus on this game for today, I can't fault him for lying to a reporter about it so close to game time. Call me crazy.
@KBlow
I'm a no.
And now all I want is Belichick.
Go Blue!
@Anon
My point was Jim Tressel was not all class as someone said he was.
Yes I know UM has had its share of problems, but it still pales in comparison to OSU.
Anon,
You miss my point. I have been more interested in the Kelly/Petersen/Schiano types than Miles and certainly Ferentz. I think Mark May is a waste of flesh. That is all.
The wallet should not matter as long as you are pacing what the other big boys are paying. 101,000 seats x 10 games @ $1 more = extra million+ for coach. Geeze, cheap out on what will be a multi year contract is bad business, bad math, bad decision. Pay what you need to get who you want. (but not Weis money, obviously)
Mblue96,
Great post. The only thing I would add is that Lloyd could very well feel that his timing was in the best interest of the program because it made Miles less likely to get the job.
Gorgeous. I'm loving it.
ES
One of my distant relatives is married to Carr. I'm working on getting his home phone. Post it later. =D
I'm a definite YES KBLOW
I wanted Les to come in and clean house so badly, I wanted to hear Carr and his buddies cry like little bitches on their way out
Ummmm in the 2nd Q.. and LSU has 2 trips to the red zone and has two field goals...isnt this the michigan offense?
The only thing worthwhile about Mark May is his hatred for Notre Dame. Everything else is, as you said, a waste of flesh.
I said it before and I'll say it again.
Kelley + Chuck Martin will give you what you want. NC's, Big Ten Championships, wins over tOSU. But hey settle for meritocracy.
Don't be fooled, Lloyd has a stake in this . He is not absolved of anything in this situation.
Yes he is a good man, but also EXTREMELY loyal to HIS people and his loyalty...being one of his best traits...is also one of his worst. He ultimately would not want Miles to come in a blow-out most of HIS guys. He is going to leave his finger-print on this program for better or worse.
this just in.....bill parcells is on his way to ann arbor in a covered wagon. get the tracker out.
I ask again, because nobody has given me a good answer.
Why does this series of events hurt Les Miles's reputation?
If he wants the Michigan job, he can't say so.
If he wants the LSU job, he's said all the right things.
If he just wants a chance to hear Michigan's offer, then he can't really say that, either.
None of you actually KNOW anything. I don't see how you can comment on Herbstreit's credibility, Miles's credibility, the influence of Lloyd Carr, etc. until we hear something official, or at least substantive.
I'm waitin' for da Fat Man in South Bend to explode next year. Saints preserve us, I'd rather play with snakes than lookit Lloyd Carr's face every mornin' when I go to work...
Sheesh. What you guys been drinkin' up dere in the Arbor? No one of any stature is goin' to the Arbor as long as the used Carr is parked outside Schembechler Hall.
Fingerprint...humm...middle one?
my sources tell me that rich kotite (the former jets coach) has been contacted as well.
what about john cooper?
\How many of you would still want Miles after all this? I'm a no.//
Same.
MMS...that would be for worse.
KBlow,
I've generally been a No all along, but not because of this. If somebody put a gun to my head and said I'm offering you 30% more to stay in a good situation but I have to know now, I'd probably do the same thing.
ahaah LSU just took a delay of game penalty on 3rd @ 32 ahahah
Lloyd does not want Miles nor anyone else that comes in here and wins 10 games next year without Henny, Hart and Manningham. Trust me. Lloyd does not have Michigans best interest at heart. If he did, he would have quit last year when he quit coaching, and would have waited to announce until after this weekend. He did it early to sabotage Miles. He needs to go! Buy him a trailer in Del Boca Vista and get him the hell out of our program. A guy who has no vision, has no ability to visualize the next generation coach!
what about dan deirdorf? now there, is a true michigan man.
Maybe it's me, but LSU does not look like they came to play today. Wow, what a series that was.
4 and 50 ... is Miles gonna go for it!??!?!
SEC fans actually think they've got the best conference in the country based on the way LSU and UT are playing today?
@Magnus
This reflects on Miles b/c he easily could've not responded to the question right before the game so clearly. A simple "no comment" or "i already addressed that" would've shut it down.
Real journalists get their facts straight and never get credible info from the internet.
Signed,
K.Herbstreit
Anon,
Sorry for my ignorance, but I've been meaning to ask for two days...who is Chuch Martin?
Craig-
I can see why. The whole team has only been dealing with this Miles leaving shit for the past few weeks...
who is this frank deford character? didn't he write for SI for some time?
@ES
You're loving this just like we've loved beating Sparty the past 6 years...
Magnus,
I don't think Miles reputation is hurt either. He was put in a bad position by UM (everybody could have "no commented" until after todays game) so a worried LSU coughed up the beefy contract extension and there you are.
And if Miles smells Carr influence for the future, why would he WANT to go?
Right on Magnus we don't know but to me Lloyd isn't the class guy some make him out to be. I think he's an arrogant fool who takes care of his friends and we have 13 years of proof for that much.
I don't think the Fort can just cover this one up, there has to be some explaining to do. If not I figure LSU people will be glad to fill us in.
Once again I'd take Miles in a second.
True, but the pre-game press conference was supposed to put all of that to rest for the players...right?
I'm fit, and ready to go. Give me a call.
Craig-
Yeah, but at the same time the press conference didn't really clear anything up. It was very open ended to interpretation. Had Miles come out and said "Hey I'm signing the contract" could be different, but the press conference did nothing to help the situation for either side IMO.
Magnus - believe it or not, some people mean what they say. These people have what is called integrity (you can find this word in an english dictionary if still unclear). They don't change their stories later. Les Miles saying he is "ABSOLUTELY going to be the head coach at LSU next year" means one thing: he will be the head coach at LSU next year. After what Nick Saban did to LSU fans, don't think Les isn't aware of all that, and that he will destroy their trust and respect the same way. He is a Bo disciple after all.
So, no way Les is coming to Ann Arbor. He said it and he means it.
Hey Kirk Herbstriet here. Now I know the Buckeyes are playing the New England Patriots this weekend and New England is loaded. But, with Tressel as coach and Boeckman throwing the ball.. I've got to like the Bucks chances of beating New England in New England.
Carr could have left and been so beloved for retiring when the time was right and stepped aside to let someone else put their stamp on the program. But I believe that he misguidedly and perversely sees himself as the "guardian" of the program and his blind loyalty to "his" guys is leaving its mark: look at the timing of his retirement press conference (that put a lot of pressure on Miles) and also remember his quote at his press conference: "...the job seeks you, you do not seek the job..." and there were some indications that LM has seeked, wished for, coveted the UM job for quite some time......it's all there...this is all on LC and his group of cronies...
@magnus
I agree with you up to the point where Miles told Erin Andrews that he "absolutely would be LSU coach next year". Up to that point, I was with you. He was waffling. I think he wanted to come and got a decent offer, but when he heard about the resistance from Lloyd and got an unbelievable offer from LSU, he changed his mind. Can't blame him. $30M for 10 years is a big deal!
I don't see how any of this changes my opinion of Miles or whether I want him at UM. Has he suddenly become a bad coach? All of you just wanted Miles because of the way he would handle speculation on leaving? Someone should explain.
Fisher,
I think your name is D-E-B-E-R-R-Y.
I used to be a Lloyd guy...
Lloyd this mess is on you!
Thanks for nothing
i don't know about new england....but michigan? we all know tressel's record v. um
00goblue00 don't tell that to cbs or espn lol
I don't get why he didn't just say at his press conference that he would be back next year for sure if he is going to go and say it to a sideline reporter..
@Blue In A2
Not to question your Michigan fanhood but it raises an eyebrow when you spell henne as "henny."
You're confusing me with the former Air Force coach. My name is spelled with an "e". :)
@bdud
b/c Miles is a fuck up
bill martin just offered me the job, im gonna hire debiard as my o-coordinator
well is les is out... who the hell is in?
@ TOOL212
Wait, how does this reflect on Lloyd?
I realize he's supporting Debord and that's dumb. But what does that have to do with Miles?
And let's say this was all a smokescreen and Miles comes to Michigan in the next week...then doesn't *ALL THIS* seem stupid and reactionary?
I'll take the job!!!
Yeah no kidding. Loved how he didn't say anything either way and immediately following CBS and ESPN go with "Miles confirms staying at LSU" Did you hear that anywhere in that press conference? I sure didn't lol
I really feel Herbstreet is playing the ass here. While it is probably true at least some people at UM are hoping to hold a news conference next week announcing Miles as coach I suspect there has been no offer or acceptance completed. Yet Herbstreet is implying Miles has been talking to UM contrary to what Miles has been saying along. Something I doubt happened much less that Herbstreet has confirmation it happened. Herbstreet is trying to make UM and Miles look bad when I doubt he has ANY information to support it.
All of a sudden, we're getting hung up on spelling errors, Harbaugh?
At this point, I just can't see how this could possibly turn out and not leave a bad taste in my mouth. I have never liked Lloyd dating back to when he was DC but honestly this would take the cake by far if Terry Dixon's column has any merit.
@Jim Harbaugh Scramble
I just got so fired up thinking about this that I mistyped.
BKINAT,
Even though I am not a Miles guy for the job, I agree completely with you about his sense of integrity. Watch him fool me, but one thing I have liked about him a lot is that I think he is a straight shooter.
Maybe the Job is going to Hillary Clinton... She neither confirms nor denies things pretty well
I think LM really was going to come and wanted to come, but the whole LC faction thing as well as LSU AD putting pressure on him really pretty much boxed him into a corner (did his body language at the PC reflect that of a man who was boxed into a corner and was forced to pick a lane?)...and so it's over now. No way he is coming. That door is shut...
@ Brian Kelly is not a thug
I wasn't questioning anyone's integrity, the truth of Miles's statements, or the definition of the word "integrity."
So in your attempt to prove me wrong, make me look bad, win an argument with me, etc....
...keep trying.
jim harbaugh would be a good choice, but um's standards are too low....
The question now is, what respectable coach will come to Michigan with it being obvious that Lloyd will be looking over his shoulder constantly?
You know that Lloyd will probably be running the program WITH the coach instead of letting the coach run his OWN program.
I know Michigan is not experienced at this stuff, but it's looking to me like Bill Martin got played for a fool by LSU's AD. Martin gave him several days to negotiate with Miles with no interference. I guess we all know now why most AD's don't take the "high road" regarding getting permission.
@Magnus
I said it before, but I just don't want anything close to Saban as UM's HC. If Miles still ends up as our HC then just that's what we'll have.
I think what Drew Sharp writes makes the most sense. There *was* a deal with Michigan; LSU came back with a big-time offer; Miles had second thoughts because Carr would be backbiting him at every opportunity. It's hard to fault Miles for having second thoughts about that; I would feel the same way. Going into a politicized situation is no fun and a major distraction from the business of winning football games.
This is all on Lloyd Carr. He should have had the grace to step aside and not play favorites. My respect for him has diminished considerably.
00goblue00 on the USC-UCLA game, the ESPN ticker read "Les says he will return next season"--return where? talk about putting your tail between your legs.
Sorry, I mean Terry Foster, not Drew Sharp...
@Blue in A2
That's it exactly. Better get the wallet out, people. And that includes asst coaches.
lloyd finally beat tressel - he drove miles away from the job. damn you lllllloyd. go to hell!! we all wanted that buffoon on the sidelines in AA next year
Let's get something straight. The UM job is the easiest and most attractive "premiere" job in the country and here's why. The following is the only formula that a coach has to follow if he wants to keep his job for 20 years and retire with showers of compliments and Sooper Dooper Michigan Man ring:
1. Beat ND one out of every 2 times.
2. Beat MSU 4 out of every 5 times.
3. Lose respectably to OSU.
4. Win the Big (jayvee) 10.
5. Win your bowl game 1 out of every 10 times.
6. Stay away from probation (at least don't get caught)
7. Run the classic UM playbook which consists of 3 plays--"RR" (Run Right), "RL" (Run Left), "SUtP" (Set Up the Punt).
THATS IT. That's all a UM coach has to do to keep his job forever. Why strive for more by getting aggressive about nabbing a gambler like Miles when the bar has been set so low here? Let's just get Ferentz and be done with it so we can continue our march to mediocrity.
I will be available for job interviews immediately after the game today. My golf clubs and spikes are already stowed in the trunk.
@ KBlow
I'm not making a case for or against Miles. I can see both sides of things (he makes bad decisions sometimes and he spouts off, but he hires good coordinators, he's gutsy, and he's energetic).
I'm just trying to figure out why people are making such bold statements when everything's still so much up in the air.
reflection of Lloyd is he has more to do with the coaching hire than what he said in his press conference.
I think it says that Lloyd didn't get his way.
Since we or I know nothing, I could mean that Lloyd gave Martin his blessing and Miles comes in. I don't know. But like I said, I feel Lloyd is screwing this up.
Maybe we'll find out if I'm right I'm right if I'm wrong I'm wrong but that's how I feel about Carr.
I also meant Terry Foster rather than Dixon, I work with a Terry Dixon...man I have to drink less beer on college football Saturdays...
@Blue in A2
Typo is fine I was just asking because a lot of trolls are in here, for example "jim herrman" claiming he was going to hire "debiard" as his OC.
I was just checking to see if you were legit or a troll, no offense.
I agree, it is over. Let's start a recruit Brian Kelly campaign. Does LC have an issue with him because he knows how to win? Think about it, Lloyd looks like a bozo if someone who coached just a few years comes in here and wins 10-11 games that Lloyd lost to AS with. How many votes does it take to override the LC veto?
Kinesiology,
You're an ass, but that was pretty funny.
Craig-
no kidding. just wait, if anything else breaks they will backtrack on that as well.
For the love of Fielding H. Yost go get an OHIO STATE ASSISTANT who knows the playbook and can BEAT OSU. It'll be cheaper and it's been proven once before.
Hail to the Yellow and Blue!!!!
C'mon folks. Miles would've known about scowling Carr all along. Carr's office placement in relation to Miles' didn't change his mind. Money did.
...does this whole situation remind anyone of when belichek went to the jets, and the left for NE? Pacells/CARR in the background...backbiting all the time.
@ Jim Harbaugh Scramble
No harm brother. I have read a lot of your comments and you get it. I am true blue which is why I get so frustrated with our incompetence some times.
@ TOOL2112
Okay, I'm just trying to get this straight...
So blaming Lloyd (not just you, but other people, too) is pure conjecture at this point?
You could very well be right. I just want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Where is John Wangler? I keep asking this till I get an answer. He's Les's best buddy--he promised that Les was ours--and he delivered us a bag of goods too.
Gotta go, helping the son with Christmas cookies...so Gooooo
Sooooners!!!
(This offer expires 10pm PST)
Go do something Christmas-ee yourselves and breathe!!!
Doesn't Miles seem like he would have enough of a backbone to tell Martin that he wanted little to no interference from Carr?
Magnus-
because most people do not think that anything is up in the air anymore after Miles comment to a sideline reporter a few minutes prior to the game.
Question. If we get a coach from a diff conference are you hopeful that they will bring a new offense to the big 10. spread option... maybe even get a QB that can...OMGSHIRTKESS RUN? Honestly Henne and mallett are as mobile as vinny testiverde
@Magnus
I hear you. I really can't wait until the real story does come out and I must say it is fun to speculate. I guess we all just care about the future of the program so much that an event like this seems to only point to deep problems in AD leadership in general or, at a minimum, our specific HC search comm.
I feel like I just got kicked in the Lesticles.
Drew Sharp is a dumbass and he stole that info from Terry Foster, I believe.
I am also moving on to Brian Kelly as my choice. The man won 10 games in Mount Pleasant his last year. Imagine what he could do in Ann Arbor. He recruited Dan LeFevour, and he just joined Vince Young in being one of the only QB's to pass for 3,000 yards and run for 1,000 in a season. Not too shabby.
who you going to get from ohio state? heacock? bollman? dick tressel? come on boys.
Wangler was last seen on TV roasting marshmallows in the parking lot on Gameday.... and NO we DON'T need the spread. We need someone who can call plays with the players we HAVE. I could have called a better game against OSU.
Hail to the Yellow and Blue
my left toe could have called a better game against OSU...
i still say john cooper
Umm...anyone just see that sequence from LSU? That was not well managed at all.
@Magnus
We have no proof that LC screwed this up, but it is plausable. Everyone knows LC hates Miles. I wonder if LC pushed the Ferentz deal hard trying to close that deal last week. Think about it from LC perspective. KF is the perfect coach, mild mannered (like LC), and underperforming (like LC). He would come here with a crappy OC (Debord) and conditioning coach and no special teams coach. If he was 6-6 in Iowa he would probably be 8-4 next year which would make LC's last few years look great. Anyone else in for a contribution to buy LC a trailer in Del Boca Vista and get him out of here?
Brian Kelly.
I'm all over this: the real story will come out, and I will be Da Man to spell it all out for you. I even have the title: Saturdays with Lloyd.
Brian Kelly NAT.
Miles is not known for keeping his word. He says what is needed in the situation.
read the oklahoma state sites: http://www.tulsaworld.com/webext...spx?
column_id=8
"Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State: “When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU."
Keeping his word is not his strong suit.
I sincerely hope that if this falls through the coaching search is thorough to the extreme, that means interviewing Kelly, Tedford, Schiano, and anyone else that's available and a legitimate potential good fit for the program, REGARDLESS of whether Lloyd wants to go fishing with him or not.
Wow. LSU is the #5 team in the country?
Really?
@ Whatchagot
"Hail to the Yellow and Blue" Who are you hailing WVU or Cal? Because, Michigan is Maize and Blue.
AAB - exactly. all ohio stats fans wanted miles at the switch in AA. dark day in ohio today.
I have a theory:
Someone from Michigan told Les' agent sometime last week that he was not a shoo-in for the Mich job, and was among a list of candidates. Les felt it was too risky to even interview because if he didn't get the job, there was no way he'd be welcomed back to Baton Rouge. He decided to just sew up the job he already knows he has.
hhahah LSU just missed a chip shot FG hahahah
7-6 TN in the SECCG at the half...it's like a FUCKING REVOLUTION in offensive football hahahahh...either of these teams would blow the Pats out by 50...they should just fly the Lombardi Trophy down to the Georgia Dome now and cancel the rest of the NFL season ahahahhaah
Wow, missed the field goal. LSU looks like Oregon without Dixon. Well, maybe not THAT bad...
Also, what is the proof that Lloyd hates Miles. I have heard this alot and not sure where it originates.
Anyone have a specific link. I am sure there is one, I just never saw it.
Maybe Miles loses this game on purpose....LSU fires him on the spot....and UM hires him five minutes later.
boomer sooner!! boomer sooner!!
old fan i posted that same thing about two hours ago. No one cares lol.
I am officially endorsing Brian Kelly. He may not have much coaching experience, but he knows how to clean up Debord's mess and that is what we need now. Maybe he can bring our prehistoric offense into the iron age.
there's a lot of speculation about Lloyd and Miles in previous recruiting battles, but nothing has been substantiated to my knowledge...
Miles is a total ass clown.
You ever sing the Alma Mater?
Last time I checked, the title of the University of Michigan's alma mater was "Hail to the Yellow and Blue."
My fact-checker swears up and down that this is true. His name is Marley, and he's my dead Labrador retriever.
Magnus, you were exposed many, many moons ago. Prior to my arrival and probably prior to BILG's arrival too. I think I addressed you while we were washing our hands in a bathroom sometime around 2002. I told you that Lloyd was the most unimaginative, conservative, underachieving coach in the country. You said, "Nah, Lloyd is one of the best coaches out there." I'm pretty sure that was you.
I have no interest in making you look bad. You do it to yourself. I will never again address you in this forum b/c it too painful to read your responses. So please go ahead and get that last comment in. I think it might help you deal with having accepted that it's ok being in the middle, finding the good in complacency and the silver lining in mediocrity. Some of us want better than that.
@old fan
Lots of stories from lots of places on this one. Check some old stories on this blog.
lloyd is going to kill this program one way or another, be it from the sidelines, or from the athletic office. scary.
Yeah, um, seriously guys? Watching the SEC title game, that is a really poorly coached game by Miles. Everything we've complained about is going on there. Stupid false starts, awful clock management, Debordesque conservatism. Yes, I know backup QB but it's not like he hasn't played a lot this year.
totally off topic, but Davis is rocking the Dr. Pepper challenge...LSU needs that guy.
I still say this is Lloyd. This coaching search is about as organized as a Carr coached football game. Not to mention the preparation since they knew he'd be retiring for two years. And shit, the outcome will be the same as a Carr coached game. Michigan will end up losing, no matter what they do now. They'll keep doing screen passes, promoting Debord, and losing yards...or games.
enlightened bum-
Perriloux is supposed to be somekind of OMG shirtless 5-star recruit from what I've heard.
I didn't go to Michigan but I grew up in that stadium... I cried as a kid any time they got beat... I BLEED Maize and Blue... and the actual phrase is
HURRAH FOR THE YELLOW AND BLUE.
old fan: check the differences between the statements.
"I am really happy here...this is a place I want to be" is JUST a little less committal than "I ABSOLUTELY will be coaching at LSU next year."
Just a minor difference, you could be right.
i'm off to drink a case of paulner hefe weizen..see bums in hell!
go bucks!!!
My sources tell me that Lee Corso is available.
@ Blue A2
I agree that it's plausible that Lloyd Carr was involved.
I've also heard the theory that LSU could have let that information leak in order to force Miles's hand.
I don't see how either one would be more plausible than another.
Besides that, I don't really see Lloyd Carr leaking info to anyone. I don't think anyone can argue - Lloyd-lover or Lloyd-hater - that Carr is usually tight-lipped. It seems plausible but iffy.
And I still don't even believe the Ferentz thing was ever as close as was rumored.
Maybe I'm making excuses but I can't say that I am surprised by the way LSU is playing. They are distracted, it's obvious.
Hmmm...
Word has it that Bill Martin is on his way down to Atlanta.
Dream scenario if Miles is not the man:
LSU loses to TN.
Mizzou loses to OU.
UM gets on horn and hires Pinkel.
UM vs. LSU in Cap. One Bowl. Lloyd wins and we all say shit we dodged a bullet hiring Miles.
OSU loses by 50 to WVU in BCS title game.
@Jim
I definitely agree with the disorganization of the search as a reflection of how deeply screwed the football part of the athletic dept. is. Martin may not have known for sure for 2 years but he has had since Sept. Something beyond Carr is fucking this up though.
@ Brian Kelly is Not a Thug
Ummmm...okay.
If LLoyd is responsible for stopping Miles from coming to Ann Arbor, after watching the game so far, Lloyd may have the right idea...
Yes, Martin is on his way to Atlanta, where he plans to rent a car and drive to UCF to talk to George O'Leary.
00goblue00, also not surprised, and Miles seemed awfully cheery at the half for a team that has played that horribly for 30 minutes.
Sorry off topic. Anyone else TIRED of seeing the Diet Dr. Pepper commercial?
MMS,
Serious?
@ Mitch Albom
Is Mateen Cleaves there?
My fact-checker said that O'Leary's resume is all legit now.
@Craig
I would be cheery too if I just agreed to a $30m deal.
@ MMS
Yes, Mateen is there. The Navigator is all gassed up and ready to roll.
Basically, what I'm inferring about Lloyd is...
He has his fingerprints ALL OVER...
...nothing. Because nothing's happened.
Hey losers-
Just thought I'd stops over to see what the weaker half is up to. You guys done crying in your beer yet? Oh wait, I forgot, you guys are better than that. You drink whine.
Magnus,
but isn't LC used to producing nothing?
How do you think the LSU fans react to Miles $30m deal if he loses today?
Blue, point well taken. And watching the HT report, Spencer Tillman is still an ass.
I'd bet money that after today Karl Dorrell will be available.
Love the guy on CBS that just said "who knows what Miles is going to do" make up your mind already!
Who are we overlooking? Is there a new Urban Meyer out there... and we're just not seeing it because we're looking too high?
Nope, we drink whatever you serve us.
In the first half, I believe LSU had 7 penalties, a sideline warning, and had no timeouts left at the end of the half, which didn't stop them from throwing a swing pass on 2nd and 10, spiking the ball on 3rd and 13 even though officials had to stop play to fix the clock, and then missed a field goal.
Umm. Wow.
@ Mitch Albom
SWEET! Print the story!
So what's the process for transfering my Michigan degree to some other school?
I have no confidence in Martin's ability to lead this search. He kept Carr in place for 12 painful (and one successful) years. Under his leadership, expect Michigan to continue the slide.
Boy, those new executive boxes are going to look nice.... EMPTY.
I just spoke with Franchione on the phone. He says that Martin's been talking with Gerry Faust, just for some advice.
BRIAN -
Time to work those insider sources, my man. I'd feel a hundred times better if you could give me some good news- and it didn't come from a message board.
Miles is absolutely insane if he turns down the chance to coach at Michigan. Absolutely insane.
I love the fact that none of us respond to the Col-dumb-us infiltrator posts. Bravo fellow Wolverine alumni!
Magnus if the Ferentz thing wasn't as close then maybe Carr isn't the one screwing it up. But on this blog it has suggested that he is quite involved (background checks etc)
Nobody really knows, even if Carr isn't the cause I still can't stand the guy and I think he was a horible coach that took care of his buddies.
Maybe the whole Miles thing wasn't as close to happening as we all were led to believe either.
Just the thought of Carr putting his nose in this makes me sick and ruins my day. Didn't say it was a true statement, just saying the thought of it just put me over the edge.
Les Miles isn't going to Michigan. I accidentally ate him at halftime. Oops.
@TrueBlueGeorgia-those "painful" 12 years included one of the highest winning percentages in the country, the first NC in 50 years, numerous BCS bowls, a 6-7 record against OSU and a .500 record in bowls. He also recruited like a damn gangster.
I mean really, what in the world is there to be so ashamed of in all that?
Can someone please help me out here?
As far as I see it, there are very, very few facts here and lots and lots of rumors and stories.
Facts
UM has put together a committee to find the next head coach.
UM has interviewed Debord and English
UM has asked permission to talk to Miles after the game.
Rumor
Everything else.
Did I miss anything?
Perhaps ignored...but lording over you nonetheless...14-3
@craig
I think it is spelled Col-dumb-ass.
Man you guys are something. Name the instance where Carr's integrity on or off the field has been questioned. Okay, now name the instances where Miles has been questioned. Why the heck is Carr being blamed?
Michigan made it clear they wanted to talk to Miles. Miles and his agent made it clear that they hadn't contacted him and wouldn't until after the game. In the meantime Miles authorized his agent to negotiate an extension with LSU and you geniuses decide all of this is Carr's fault. BS
And what you all see in a coach responsible for the first half I just watched, the most penalized team in the SEC is beyond me.
Guy on CBS just said "Miles had to respond the the BOGUS report." Assume he was talking about Herbstreet. He still seemed to leave doubt on what will eventually happen even while saying Miles character is about what he does and not what he says.
Yes buckeyebeanie you own us we know. No reason to rub it in.
Inca, yes, Miles told a sideline reporter he would be at LSU next year.
Beanie-
Come on over to UM Hospital and we'll bandage up your scabbed knuckles.
Not a rumor: Miles saying he would "absolutely" be at LSU next year.
So it's either that or he's a liar...on national TV...just like Saban...and Bush..and, for the GOP'ers, like Clinton.
Franchione says that Faust has recommended that Martin speak to Paul Johnson, the head coach at Navy.
Alright, you've suffered enough. I'm outta here. Back to the scarlet and grey blogs I go.
@ Inca Kola -
you forgot this:
FACT - Les Miles to CBS reporter, "I will be coaching LSU next year..definitely." Les would not pull an outright Saban like this...if you look at the quote, he has left himself NO wiggle room. His previous quotes when he was at OSU and there were rumors about him going to LSU and also all of his previous quotes he left himself a LOT of wiggle room "...I love it here....I don't want to do this...or that...." but he said definitively "I will be coaching at LSU next year" and not "..it's my intention...." to think that this is not over is just delusional and somewhat Notre Dameish...
I was just waiting for that clip.
@Whoever was complaining about the Diet Dr. Pepper commercial -
I'd keep that commercial if it meant the "dancing lineman" commercial would never be shown again.
@blue
One fact that questions Carr's motives is that he says he wants what's best for Michigan but pushes for 2 year deals for his loser assistants when he know he's quitting in less than a year.
Maybe it's just b/c they showed the UM/App State clip AGAIN, but I can't help thinking this is not a good day to be a Wolverine...not even b/c I'm the biggest LM fan in the world, just not much to be happy about yet.
On the off note...Who likes UM vs LSU for the Capital One Bowl?
I'm not saying that its not over.
But people are going way overboard blaming Martin already before any facts are out there, and blaming Carr for the same reasons.
Blue in A2:
Agreed. I can't think of any business anywhere that would guarantee a subordinate's salary for a year without some expectation that said subordinate would still be in the employ of or performing a service for said business.
btw, we're losing to harvard and amaker.
I have to feel that if the Lloyd faction is so strong up here in Ann Arbor, if I was Les Miles I would clearly stay in LSU. I want LSU to be the next HC, but I can't blame him for not wanting to come. Lloyd has ruined this football program for the next 5 years. I'm sad, depressed, and the only thing that is going to make that better is either the beer sitting on the table next to me, or that this is all some sort of politiking and Les is still a candidate. I'm tired of worrying, and tired of Lloyd Carr's influence on this program. His class is now being overshadowed by his obvious inability to let things die.
Poop...
One fact that questions Carr's motives is that he says he wants what's best for Michigan but pushes for 2 year deals for his loser assistants when he know he's quitting in less than a year.
That's classic Carr right there although Martin didn't have to agree to it.
Jim, I hear you, someone in the room with me recently was laughing at that lineman commercial and I was incredulous...
"I will be coaching at LSU next year."
Of course he could be referring only to the bowl game, which technically is 'next year.'
By "LSU as head coach" I obviously meant Les Miles. I'm already a bit drunk.
@ Inca Kola
My point exactly.
You guys are basing so much off of rumors, I'm starting to think you're all just Donald Rumsfeld's screen names...
The damn refs are trying to give oregon the game, I'm not sure if anyone is watching that game but Oregon is terrible w/o dixon.
The thinking that Bill Martin has somehow screwed this up is without any factual basis at this point. For all anyone knows, Miles could have just left his intentions about the Michigan job vague to leverage a better contract extension from LSU. Kirk Herbstreit (a Buckeye) could have leaked his story early to sabotage Michigan. All of that, of course, is speculation. Unless the source of a "rumor" is Bill Martin, then we should all accept the fact that we are in the dark.
As far as proclaiming the doom of the program, I'm not going to go there. If no one else will take the job, give it to Ron English.
My diploma says "The University of Michigan" on it. So do my Mom's, Dad's and grandfather's diplomas. That isn't going to chane, nor will my rooting interests on Saturdays in the next 40-50 falls.
Just get Jeff Tedford and move on. At least he will be at an academic powerhouse which actually has facilities and not tree sitters.
chris, I thought about that as well, although that would be quite Saban-ish of him.
ish:
Ahaahhha jesus you're right....ahahahh...Michigan Bball has scored 16 points so far in the 1st half hahahhahah hahahaha the pain ooooooooo the pain hahaha
Why would you want Miles? He's abad game coach. Just watch LSU play and you'll see that.
Someone please yank 1-8 DeShawn Sims' scholarship at halftime hahahahah
Blue in A2 -
It was a decent thing to do and with what Michigan has saved on Carr who always left money on the table, it's really no big deal to pay them off. More importantly though, Carr wanted out and Martin knew it, he negotiated those contracts with that in mind.
Go Harvard + T.Ammeker.
And go Capital One Bowl.
Michigan vs LSU
Herbstreit values his job too much to "sabotage" Michigan. That's a ridiculous suggestion.
Jesus - the highlight of the weekend is going to be if Michigan can find a way to get a split against the Suckeyes in hockey.
This used to be a fun time of year.
22-16 Harvard.
The head coach of Saginaw Nouvel is in Ann Arbor. I saw him and Martin over at Cottage Inn.
losing to amaker and harvard? yak
Moving Dreamsicles?...sell your CBS stock if you have it, they have plummeted into the depths of hell today imo.
DeShawn Sims now 1-9, Michigan on pace for 16 points at the half woooo!
I wasn't posting or talking to jesus, I was just making a comment - just sayin
Lsu 271 yards to tenn 91 and they are down by a point...
what's a bigger kick to the balls: Miles turning Michigan down or losing to Amaker's Harvard?
i think the sight of amaker is making us turn the ball over.
@MusketRebellion
I agree with you. He was the worst defensive coordinator ever and we rewarded him by making him a HC. Then he won a NC with Moeller's recruits and two onfield coaches (Woodson and Griese) so he won the right to coach longer than he should. Finally he retires (and admits that he hasn't had it for the last few years) and we reward his mediocre coaching record by putting him on the search committee. Ridiculous! He had a .750 winning percentage. But guess what Michigan's average winning percentage has been since 1900? .742. So with all those blue chip recruits, LC achieved a stellar record of exactly 8 one thousands of a point better than our average for the last 100 years.
HAahahah the Yahoo box score says Sims has missed two layups in a row...throw him off the team at the half!
If not Miles or Ferentz? What is the top 5 now for the job?
But but, December 6 is my birthday, so it's somewhat important.... right? right?? Okay, it's not.
i think the sight of amaker is making us turn the ball over.
That's one of the funniest posts I've read.
By the way, GO LSU!!! 13-7 now
harvard up 6 at the half. weeeeeeee!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the lineman commericial!!11!1!!1!!
Ugh... I trust in Beilein and all, but system be damned-- if you're playing Harvard, we don't need to hoise 100 3s... pound it inside on their 6'5" center who's majoring in biochem.
We're getting OWNED by ANDREW PUSAR:
http://www.gocrimson.com/ViewArt...0&
ATCLID=537253
HIS NAME IS ANDREW PUSAR!!!
Don't forget. Les has some big coinage in his contract on winning this game. You think he wants his troops not ready to play?
Refs are screwing Or. State, they go u 28-7 refs take away the touchdown give Or. a short field for an easy touchdown and now Orst fumbles and oregon houses it. Tie game.
@ Blue in A2
Part of that .742 winning percentage was earned at a time when nobody else knew how to play football.
And Lloyd's teams won 1 more championship than the hallowed Bo Schembechler did. Bo got some good recruits, too.
Lloyd isn't/wasn't perfect, but he's not as bad as you make him out to be.
Blue in A2 got his Ph.D Unpersuasive Hyperbole
You know if we played LSU in a bowl game we'd get our ass spanked. We couldn't stop the run the last two games and couldn't block a good rush end.
It would just be more embarrassment on national TV. Screw that.
Just read the LM comments...makes 100% sense. Why is everyone freaking out? What is the guy suppossed to say before the SEC Championship Game? I mean, he does want his team to stay focused. He knows UM said they discuss after the game. There is NO DOUBT that LM is going to talk to UM after the game. I think everyone is blowing this way out of proportion. Put yourself in his shoes...you'd say the same thing. And, then Tuesday, after he signs with UM, he'll tell the press, "what did you expect me to say two hours before game time?"
Calm down everyone!
I actually don't like Beilein's offensive system that much. Michigan basketball should be about driving the offensive lane, not raining 3 pointers. Leave that to teams like Butler.
@ BOYBlue
Lemme check my notebook:
1. Dennis Franchione
2. Bill Cubit, Western Michigan
3. Paul Johnson, Navy
4. Bob Davie
5. Mateen Cleaves
6. George O'Leary
That's all.
Oh. And Ty Willingham and Karl Dorell.
Gary Danielson "Black would equal Georgia."
I'm not even sure what to make of that.
well, when there are hoofbeats think horses and not zebras. I highly doubt that Herbstreit would deliberately leak false info since that is a SERIOUS ETHICAL breach in his industry. The most plausible theory is that yes, money may have been a factor but more important, the whole issue of the Lloyd-Faction and also that of working with Lloyd being there and the potential in-fighting was enough to kill the thing....so yes, I'm pretty comfortable putting this on Lloyd for NOT just riding off into the sunset or not telling everyone in the program they'd better fall IN LINE behind whoever the new HC is.....his actions (watch his retirement press conf.) are classic passive agressiveness....