Hey, there's no comments here.
first
noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
Just say no to posting "first."
Hey Brian... might want to go back on the Prozac.
fuck
this is kind of what I expect to happen because recent experience has taught me that this is what I should expect.
I expect the OSU fans to be on this thread in full force screaming "OMG Ed Martin!!!!!"
ohio state sucks.
have we conceded Prior to osu already?
Did anyone else see this from Oregon message board?
From a Oregon Board
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OSU and Pryor Reply
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Major media outlets and boards are asking if OSU coaches violated NCAA recruiting rules with Pryor.* Most of us have already read about the basic concerns that:
Businessman Ted Sarniak,formerly accused of bribery, gave monetary benefits and a car loan to an OSU recruit (Pryor). Also, since Sarniak employed
Pryor, he was in a position to influence him. Sarniak met with at least 2 OSU coaches--the reason never disclosed. Some have argued that Sarniak was not an OSU
booster and had nothing to gain. But some newer evidence suggests otherwise.
Sarniak's company has at least five dealers in the Columbus area* and some report he cut a big deal for his glass company there. Whether or not that is
true, and whether it is linked to OSU influences, it is certainly not implausible. The Building Industry Association of Ohio's board of trustees has many representatives from JSG's clients. Some of these clients have Ohio State degrees**; and
"coincidentally", many of them are corporate sponsors of Ohio State. Oddly, however, JSG does not have a singlee client of JSG within 60 miles of
State College, PA.
But, you say, we do not yet have evidence that OSU alums are supporting JSG's business? Not so fast, my friends. Now we see that a buckeye site (ozone) is providing free publicity for sarniak products online, even linking to ads for them.
The site says: "No wonder he's done well. Ringo Starr has bought a sink from em." "
"link: some cool designs"
And please, let us not be too naive. We already know that an OSU booster violated NCAA rules and gave money to the last OSU QB. ALso, their last
high profile recruit said OSU arranged for players to get free cars. The NCAA said they were never able to speak with the player who made most of
the allegations--clearly, then, they could hot have adequately completed their investigation.
Now, PR representatives from OSU are coming on various boards suggesting--as they did the last time-- that they have some "reasonable" concerns,
which will be investigated---just as prior allegations were investigated" And no doubt, the PR department is busy working on the "investigation". SO far, one OSU board
removed evidence that a meeting between Sarniak and the OSU coaches actually took place.
So before the "investigation" removes all other pertnent evidence, we must ask: Will the NCAA (with its president a former OSU provost) now come back?
Will people sit by quietly while history repeats itself?
*http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/TheSportingBlog/
tag/DanShanoff
http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/me.../thread/
5950814
http://www.spartantailgate.com/f...reat-o-u-
recrui
well it got cut off, guess you can only post so much
*http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/TheSportingBlog/
tag/DanShanoff
http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/me.../thread/
5950814
http://www.spartantailgate.com/f...iting-
tool.html
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/ra...c.asp?
p=6953580
http://www.gatorenvy.com/forums/...ead.php?
p=23308
**places that sell Sarniak's products within 45 miles of columbus (miles n parenthesis).
1.6 Best Tile of Columbus
2.0 Bath & Brass Emporium
2.3 Mees Distributors
8.6 Columbus Winnelson
***The Owner and President of Columbus Winnelson graduated from Ohio State University in 1978.
http://forums.theozone.net/messa...ges/
873803.html
http://
www.oceanaglassdesigns.co...ityLocator.y=7c
http://laschout.com/2008/01/22/w...-sarniak-
2.aspx
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=1...5&t=1898506&
p=6
http://x-hugh-vb.blogspot.com/20...ed-
sarniak.html
http://ftp.uspto.gov/web/patents...ntee/
alphaS.htm
http://www.postgazette.com/
homes...nks0221fnp1.asp
I hate OSU for acting like Alabama, and I hate them more for getting away with it.
@Gnarls
I expect the OSU fans to be on this thread in full force screaming "OMG Ed Martin!!!!!"
Gnarls, don't forget the Michigan concern trolls who will want us to ignore all of this because "we shouldn't be like West Virginia." There are bound to be some comments like that too.
I totally can't wait for those trolls to show up.
i love cut and paste
@gmb,
it was in the last thread (fucktheestablishment), but the top of this one is a good place too
Reposted from the previous thread:
Are Sarniak's company's toilets and sinks any good/pretty/stylish/etc? What I'm really concerned about is, does my Michigan degree (and my hatred of OSU) necessarily prevent me from enjoying the wonderful products produced by Jeannette Steel & Glass?
As we already know, a sex mustache isn't a look, it's a lifestyle. So I now need to redecorate my bathroom to enable my new sex mustache life. Can a Sarniak bathroom help me?
Now that's more like it. Fuck Ohio and their hundred-dollar handshakes.
this is getting beyond crazy...will we have to drop Pryor as a recruit if this is true?
I'm totally outrage......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
We don't need TP. Barwis will have backup waterboys running 4.4 40s and throwing 60 yards seated.
Does anyone else like the idea of the following:
Star Jackson and the "Plays like Tebow" kid competing for the starting job or splitting time in a manageable dual-QB set up for the next four years (assuming we get them both).
I am not a fan of the 2-QB system unless a Florida Gators coach is doing it. But I think RR could manage that pretty well especially since the major problem with the 2-QB system is timing with receivers and UM will have a run-based spread.
The sinks in my hotel bathroom are kohler. I can wash my hands cleanly.
If the toilets were his, I don't think I'd mind shitting all over it.
Also, I urge anyone with time on their hands to look at Feagin's highlight video (the link is on the recruiting list). He's not godawful at throwing, and he might be a good Plan B in case Pryor...well, in case Pryor turns out to fuck Michigan in one way (e.g. commit to OSU) or another (e.g. commit to Michigan but be declared ineligible a year after playing for us).
I certainly hope no one in Southeast Michigan distributes JSG products. Otherwise this might look like selective cherry-picking of data to support Brian's position.
The bottom of the post on my page still reads zero comments because unlike the retards i actually take the time to READ THE POST FIRST lol
Star Jackson is out of the running for us...as of this morning
Star Jackson's pretty solid with 'Bama.
Fun internet rumors of the day are that UM is starting to pass OSU in terms of where Pryor will end up. I imagine by signing day he will be signed, sealed and delivered to Oregon (not The Orgeron).
That Jamal Crawford situation demonstrated to me the incompetence of the NCAA. Forcing him to go str8 to the NBA seemed counter to the NCAA's other goals.
Thanks for the Star update.
Oregon just signed a 4* dual threat QB.
I don't know if that turns TP away from there or not.
@Stephen Y,
I just refreshed the main page, it still shows 0. Haloscan has been sucky lately.
BTW, I was joking about Oregon. Mostly I'm just saying, nobody really knows what's going on.
If you are comparing a player getting $500 to a player getting thousands, you are stupid. Maybe even stoo-pid. C'mon, Michigan fans pointing the finger is hypocritical in the extreme.
Is Feagins the Tebow kid?
B.J. Daniels is the Tebow kid.
As we already know, a sex mustache isn't a look, it's a lifestyle. So I now need to redecorate my bathroom to enable my new sex mustache life.
cfaller - I have a follow-up question re: sex mustaches. What is the relationship between a sex mustache and the buckstache that OSU fans such as Mike "Carl Monday watches me masturbate" Cooper wears?
As always, your guidance is appreciated.
MaxSam,
Did you read all the other transgressions tOSU boosters made. None of UM's issues came from boosters they came from outside influences.
First to say Haloscan sucks.
Gnarls,
I think the they're the same other than you are employed if you have a sex stache and unemployed you have a buckstache. I could be wrong though.
Not trolling here, but Brian your blog is getting awfully shrill. You're starting to drift into El-Kabongish territory.
Your blog is much more insightful and entertaining when you're not dredging up old news stories in response to an OSU blog that nobody reads.
osu booster are boi crazy.
C'mon, Michigan fans pointing the finger is hypocritical in the extreme.
That's right. Michigan fans are never again allowed to comment on another team's actual or potential recruiting violations, because of Ed Martin. Also on the list of fans that can't comment: fans of every other university.
Thanks MRG.
What's the story on the Feagins kid? Anyone have a quick bio?
@Alaska Buckeye,
If we post new things, we get called out for whining and making things up. If we bring up old things its just old and no one reads them.
I think this sounded more as a defensive post from Brian because many in your fan base (and WVU) are attacking him as fabricating everything. This appears as no more than "this is what I'm thinking, and this is why."
TP will go to OSU with the rest of the gift getting recruits this year. We will move on. He will be a great Tight end down there.
Alaska,
You may be correct, but right now there just isn't that much else going on and TP is the biggest recruit in years and the UM v OSU dynamic makes it that much bigger. Brian has an obligation to put something up everyday and this is all he has to work with. After NSD, I'm sure he will focus more on the dynamics of the spread, off-season training, depth charts, etc.
My take on Feagins - Decent quickness and elusiveness (not as good as TP), live arm, plays crappy competition and I don't hold that against him (see: Hart, Mike), runs RR offense in HS, decent to good Plan B for Pryor.
@ formerly anonymous...
you are right. I am sorry for being a tool lol
as michigan fans, we cant win here. say nothing, despite some logical connection between osu and cheating, and we lose. say soemthing, and we're just jealous that osu is like 6-1 over the past 7 years (omg michigan totally suxxx at football go buxx and shit i wanna have sex with aj hawk even though im a dude and not gay)
@formerly
I'm OK with this one. It's far less shrill and laced with innuendo than the previous ones. I think this one would have been a sufficient discussion of the issue all by itself.
@Gnarls
In terms of raw physical appearance, I think any mustache worn by a Buckeye fan is, in reality, a sex mustache. The reason is that Buckeye fans eagerly want the world to know how big and hairy their penises are.
There is a difference, however, but it's subtle. Only a Sex Mustache comes with a Corvette, cheap gold chain, and shirt open to the belly button, whereas the Buckstache comes with some beer cans and misery. It's the lifestyle around the mustache that distinguishes the Sex Mustache from the Buckstache.
No further comments until LOI day.
More fodder for Barwis worshippers:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/dr...tory?
id=3210318
Summary: Owen Schmitt is pretty good and hits our linebacker/special teams liability really hard.
a sex mustache is a quiet way of saying: youre a woman, im a machine.
@TennBlue,
I agree. With all the WVU accusations recently, and OSU's continual rivalry in the recruiting world, everyone looks at every post as its truth or trying to pin blame on OSU. I blame readers taking it too seriously. To me it appears obvious that hey, something looks amiss and that is all Brian is posting. I don't think he's out placing blame or accusing. This article is definitely worded to help point that out.
Any OSU fan/poster/lurker who wants to ignore MC and TS and their infractions, yet remind us of Webber (15 years and five coaches) is a fool. All the refernces made in Brian's blog are to events that happened under the current coaching and AD regime. There is a pattern, and the TP car stuff not only adds to it, but fits the pattern.
You are CHEATING osu. Accept it. But, at the same time, you have found the loop hole by going through intermediaries and not boosters. It will catch up to you, maybe. But if the NCAA cant do anything with USC and could not do anything with MC, then it is not likely anything will come of TP, maybe he gets one game his freshman year after OSU self reports it. I bet we all would take that.
After a week of paper shredding discussion, and then a week of NCAA rules discussion, I look forward to next weeks heated debate on the color of staplers Rich Rod picks for the football office and whether or not he choses to use yellow hi liters or blue hi liters.
Dammit,
Saranac doesn't have tours today. And the caramel porter isnt out yet. Dammit.
@keegan
Feagin is a running/dual threat QB out of Florida that is pretty strongly leaning towards Michigan (because of RichRod). I like his running ability (slow first step, but STRONG cuts and good acceleration), but I'm meh on his throwing (holds the ball low on his shoulder/chest and 'shot puts' the ball). OTOH, it seems like his raw arm strength is pretty good, so if he comes to Michigan hopefully the coaches can work on his throwing mechanics.
Bottom line: he's not OMG!Shirtless, but he's a solid recruit that would be nice to have if the Pryor Sweepstakes don't work out in favor of Michigan.
Dammit, if Rich Rodriguez uses blue hilighters I'm gonna be pissed. Anyone with any kind of sense uses yellow.
@dex,
I hope he goes with maize, the slightly less fluorescent shade. They tend to not fade as much but aren't as much of a strain on the eyes as the blue ones tend to be. This of course is assuming he uses the Michigan Blue color as opposed to the standard blue highlighter. The standard blue is so much brighter that it is less strain on the eyes, but less school spirited.
And of course, as Milton has let the world to know, Swingline is the stapler of choice. The boston just stick and cause all sorts of problems.
Fuck you TennBlue, blue hi liters rule and you are obviously a tOSU fan if you think otherwise. Suck it!!ione!
I was just about to say if RichRod had any guts he'd go for the blue highlighter...
Using a yellow highlighter is like throwing rock.
You know what they say. Where there's smoke, there's O$U.
Having the balls to be blue is way too much of a change for Michigan. I can take offense, I can take defense, I could even use a special teams coach, but blue highlighters cross the line.
And what's with this stapler crap? Real men use paper clips...
thanks cfaller,
I'm not too worried about the throwing technique. Pat White went from:
"OH MY GOD HE'S THROWING IT!!"
to
"Oh my god he's throwing it"***
in the offseason so I'm sure they can improve on his technique if the raw skill is there
***I actually thought PW was a decent to good passer this last season.
I hate HaloScan today...
second that
Smokey,
I thought they said that about Carson Butler?
So seriously, I mean rich rod is going to at least install dry erase boards instead of that chalk shit right? The dust from the chalk had to have lead to respiratory problems in the team causing harder breathing and less athletic ability right? I mean with dry erase they'll get a little high, but paranoia is better than breathing problems right?
JeremyB
Now that's more like it. Fuck Ohio and their hundred-dollar handshakes.
$100?! Maybe in the 1980's.
Has anyone seen B.J. Daniels highlight video #1 on Rivals? The kid makes two guys fall on their ass, and the rest of the video is of him throwing across his body 60 yards to doubled receivers right where only they can catch it.
What would be truly ironic is if Pryor signs with Michigan, and then OSU fans try to get him declared intelligible because of what Pryor accepted from OSU boosters during recruitment.
@Keegan
I've always felt that Pat White got a bum rap as a thrower, but that was based on my reviews of his stat line. Then I saw the Fiesta Bowl...jesus, that guy couldn't hit the side of a barn. Fortunately he didn't have to, but...christ almighty.
You need a good and patient QB coach to help develop a kid's throwing ability. It doesn't happen overnight, so it's tempting for the coach to just try and "protect" the kid's bad throwing strength/accuracy and just get through the season.
If the coach and the kid commit to improving the throwing over 1-2 seasons, however, then you can see some really cool stuff by the time the kid is a junior or a senior. Just my $.02.
@formerly
That's fucking ridiculous man. This is Michigan, not LSU or Miami. Dry erase boards are not what this university is about. If we use those, it taints everything a Michigan Man should stand for. What about all those chalk miners out there? What will they do if we have no need for chalk?
I can accept change but Rich Rod needs to know this is a special place, and it's not like other schools. We don't need his money grubbing ass bringing in dry erase boards. Fuck man. Fuck.
@cfaller
see Vince Young:Major Applewhite.
Isn't chalk mined in WV?
formerly, Barwis has SO already taken care of the chak issue...and as for RichRod's highlighter selection...i advise him to Go Blue!!!
@formerlyanonymous
I think WFV not issuing permanent/sniffing markers to the athletes and coaches was one of the reasons RichRod left that hellhole.
Think of the kids, man. You've gotta give them their marker highs, dude. Fuck West Virginia and their unsniffable chalk.
cfaller,
VY comes to mind. The reason PW had decent stats is because of the running threat. Play action and fake draws really opened up the middle and curl areas. The WR's ran simple routes too, so he didn't have difficult reads. What nice is that you don't need complexity in you pass game (see Kansas this year) to succeed IF you can run the hell out of the ball and you have a decent defense. I think UM will have both of those and be able to get by with a QB who can save himself on some plays by using his legs and not throwing into turnovers.
@ Henne,
So its in blood this year. fine.
Was anyone able to open the New York Times link?
Real men scratch plays into concrete with their fingernails. Chalk is for faggots. Don't even start me on this "white board" shit.
has anyone seen Blue Chips?
smokey, better be careful with those 80s comments...you're going to piss off the once-Godfather of the KG Mafia...not a good idea.
alright, lunch. adios. i really need to get off of here and do something. this being paid to hide out in a hotel all day isn't bad though.
There are 2 NYT links. Both opened right up for me.
I know people have said this before but Terrelle really does seem like a lot more trouble than he's worth.
IF these allegations are true and he picks OSU, we'll know why. If he picks UofM, however, it will be to distance himself from an obviously shady situation and not likely because we were his number one choice.
Has anyone seen Scanners?
Correction: Ohio State fans are not like Alabama fans. OSU fans cannot claim a victory over an SEC team recently; Alabama fans can.
As you were.
Side note: did anyone see last night's Daily Show? P.J. O'Rourke was on as a guest and made a comment about U-M being a great school but Michigan being a terrible state... Pompous bastard went to Miami and thinks he's a genius.
Yeah, I'm really liked what I saw when I watched the BJ Daniels video. Not sure if anything is actually going on with him in regard to Michigan recruiting, but I heard his name somewhere and he seems like he would be a good back-up plan. Good speed and his arm looks better than Pryor's, at least from my amateur analysis of both their recruiting videos.
whos rippin on the 80'???
need to get out my can again...
@Keegan
Somebody alluded to how the spread offense changes the role of the QB and how it is defined. I don't remember who it was, but he made an interesting comment in response to Henne's remarks about all of the existing QBs transferring.
He was just theorizing/speculating, but he opined that in a traditional offense, the QB is The Man, and everything revolves around protecting him and enabling him to make big throws. The spread, OTOH, looks at the QB as another player in the whole offensive system, and simply looks to utilize him in whatever way is needed to move the ball down the field. In this way, the QB position is possibly less glamorous and thus less attractive to those that wanted to be treated like The Man.
It was just a theory, but I thought it was interesting and might have some merit. IMO, an effective traditional QB merely needs to have a 50-55% completion rate, with few interceptions. He won't get benched or booed if he does just that.
A spread QB, OTOH, needs to have a 60-70% completion rate, but still keep the interceptions down AND be able to run every now and then. All that, with perhaps less protection/glamour? It's a possible explanation for Henne and Mallett's indifference/dislike of the spread.
Michigan fans are like USC fans (without the Rose Bowl Wins)
Will Woodson be required to hand his heisman over to Manning since he was in violation the year he received it???
From an LA Times blog on the Reggie Bush book "Tarnished Heisman" quoting the NCAA:
The good news for Trojan fans is that there is limited evidence showing that USC had knowledge of any impropriety. As NCAA Executive Director David Price pointed out to the authors, "Charles Woodson of University of Michigan received benefits from an agent. That all became known publicly sometime after he had left the institution. We had no information that there was any institutional knowledge; therefore, we did not take any action against the institution or even bring charges."
Oh and how many banners did you bring down from the "Fab 5" days?
@FearTheVest
IIRC, we took down ALL of our banners from the Fab 5 years. Ass.
Cosigned, cfaller. Especially the "ass" part.
@Vest
go run and hide in your burp of a state you troll.
@ FeartheVest
Have you not read the 5-10 posts on why what happened 15 years ago in bball is substantively different from your current coaching staff's policies? Snipe about Rose Bowl wins when you beat Florida. In anything.
cfaller96:
That was me. I'm amazed that anyone pays attention to anything I post.
As you said, it's just speculation, but I think there's a least a kernel of truth to it.
Oh and how many banners did you bring down from the "Fab 5" days?
That's the same thing as "OMG Ed Martin!!!" Well done, douche.
about the spread qb, being "less of the man" vs a traditional offense qb....
dissagree 100% if anything the spread puts more empahsis on the qb... if anything qb's are held more responsable for the success or failure of the offense in a spread then in traditonal offenses... you can alwyas blame recievers for not running the right routes... or blockers for not blocking or a tb for not picking up a blitz... but in a spread, the qb is the one who has to make the read, and he has to make it fast. I think qb's are scared away becasue they understand that if they will be under the micro scope in a spread attack... spread pass or spread qb read... both relay on the qb to make the right read, and get the ball to the right person...
fu
Dear FearTheVest,
Go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
GB8306
I'll post this again since OSU fans are either lazy or bad at reading comprehension:
That's right. Michigan fans are never again allowed to comment on another team's actual or potential recruiting violations, because of Ed Martin. Also on the list of fans that can't comment: fans of every other university.
southernfriedwolverine,
the guy is an economist. you could see why he would say that right now.
Reports say that TP met with Barwis.
I can envision Barwis talking to TP with a flip chart showing photoshopped images:
page one: this is what you will look like after year one in my system(TP's jaw drops)
page two: this is what you will look like if you join the buckeyes
(eyes bug out at photo of winged helmets planting TP deep into the turf)
You guys can hate on chalk all you want, but I did a statistical analysis of teams that use real chalk vs. dry erase teams, and chalk teams outperformed expectations (based on rivals recruiting data) by .63 wins a year over a 32 year period.
A more likely outcome:
Pryor, having all along chosen OSU (but did not deny interest in other schools in order to get attention), goes on ESPN saying people at Michigan were saying bad things about him. He then proceeds to start in his first year and for the next three years, singlehandedly beating Michigan every time in spectacular fashion.
Meanwhile, the NCAA twiddles its thumbs and does nothing.
Since Woodson was ineligible you might look into giving back that half of a ring too. You should be familiar with the part about tearing down banners already. If you need help talk to SMU.
gsimm, I was hoping we could get your take on the highlighter situation earlier
@ willie heston,
that is beautifully stated... scaring TP into attending UM bc of the annual rivalry may just work
07michgrad
Yeah, but it's not like Ohio's economy's booming either... they're the captains of the subprime crunch.
the most difficult position to play in a spread offense is qb.
in a traditonal offense.. anyone that can throw the ball around, can play qb, and be programed to run an offense... the kids that are being scared off, are the ones that want a coach to say, ok this is the play... this is what you are going to do...
in the spread it is more like, ok here is the base of what we are trying to accomplish, its up to you to make it happen...
all my years of preparing teams to play agasint great offenses.. i have never once played a great spread offense without a great qb leading it.. i have played plenty of great traditional offense that had very average qb's...
Vest- You are an idiot. If one of our 2 fball programs would EVER be compared to SMU there would be no argument as to who is most similar (tOSU). Youre day will come when all your violations and illegal activity is made public. Have fun for now.
do michigan facilities have waterfalls?
if pryor is lured by a corvette, we should be worried by this. (sorry if it's been posted before)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...h?
v=J1NyaTVUhFQ
https://www.nmnathletics.com/View...=252&
SPSID=3802
https://www.nmnathletics.com/View...252&
SPSID=24008
@feathervest
then tosu should give back that ring they won with clarett, right? too bad he can't give his back, he pawned it to buy a bottle of goose, right?
Hang on - I'm still laughing that there is actually a picture of Bike Hart on the main page. Nice career!
gsimmons:
I agree that in reality a spread QB is far more important than a drop-back. My comment was more on the line of Henne thinking, "I don't want to put with all those decisions and running and shit. I just want to throw the ball."
Thus I'm suggesting that their dislike of the spread relates more to it being more complicated than they prefer - in addition to not liking to take hits, and having the entire team revolve around their ego.
But then, I don't actually play or coach, just kibbitz and bitch.
@gsimmons
I understand what you're saying and I agree, but isn't there less protection and enablement of the QB in the spread? In other words, he has to make split second decisions, and he has to do that with only 5 (or 6 if you count the RB) blockers. Compare that to a traditional offense that on passing plays focuses on creating and maintaining a pocket with 6,7,8(!) guys, and I think you can understand why some QBs will shy away from it.
I agree that in some ways the QB glamour is still there. But I guess what I and TennBlue are getting at is that the philosophical shift from...
- "Protect The Man at all costs on passing plays!"
to
- "Give the QB a couple seconds to read and throw"
...is just a little too great a shift for the Hennes and Malletts of the world. Eh, it's speculation and theory, but I still say there might be something to it.
not a big highlighter person...
now if we are talking about dry erase markers, im all over that....
Bike Hart? That's weak.
By the way, how's that Heisman working out for ol' Troy?
"and then OSU fans try to get him declared intelligible"
We should suspend our recruitment of TP until it's verified that he's intelligible. And articulate, too.
"Hang on - I'm still laughing that there is actually a picture of Bike Hart on the main page. Nice career!"
Ohio, ladies and gentlemen.
@FearTheVest
Tell you what: I'll start calling for Michigan to take down the '97 Championship banner (because of Woodson) right after OSU takes down its '02 banner (because of Clarett).
Let me know how that works out for you.
Woodson got an agent after his junior season was complete, after the Rose Bowl. If anything occured that was illegal in terms of amature status, it was after he declared. He never played at UM after he had an agent and took any alleged benefits. Suck it.
vest- your lack of intelligence is seriously killing your attempt at being even a bit funny.
I believe hiring an agent does terminate your amateur status and makes you ineligible. As long as the agent was hired after the season, though, there's no problem.
And giving the guy time to throw has more to do with the fact that maybe, just maybe, giving him time will allow for a good-great pass. Give a running QB time to throw, can you guarantee his pass will be as good? Give and take there, IMO...I don't see how a running QB has less advantages over a pocket passer. If that's what you guys are even talking about.
i think what scares the slow footed football players away is that fact that they cant blame the oline if they take a sack...
a pass protecton block scheme is the same for every oline man every where...regradless of formation keep inside levarge create a pocket, force the pass rush up field and outside...
there may only be 5 pass protectors, but in a spread, you are expecting a lot less pass rushers, otherwise its dink and dunk all the way down the field, so that is a wash...
the difference in a spread, you take a sack, and the coach and the oline and the oc, are yelling at you for not getting up field, in open space... and feeling the pocket collapsing...
in a traditonal offense, the blame for a sack can go anywhere
Bike Hart? Did I just hear "Bike Hart" dished out as an insult?
Terrible. And this comments section is going straight to hell.
gsimmions- are you a fball coach?
Anyone know who RR/staff are out recruiting today?
IIRC there are a few visitors coming in over the weekend.
...so they talk EVERYDAY?
Scout:
"First Mr. Pryor, who has been pretty mum since returning from his official visit to Michigan . While he’s not divulging info publicly, there are a few people who interact with Pryor who feel he’s made up his mind in regards to what school he’ll choose come Signing Day.
The word from those folks who have had conversations with Pryor, or have been privy to his conversations is that Pryor has warmed up to the Wolverines in a major way. He had a great time on his U-M visit, and bonded well with what could soon be referred to as his teammates. While Ohio State has been the leader for months and rightfully so, it appears that things have the changed since the hiring of Rich Rodriquez who has a longstanding relationship with nations top QB. Michigan’s cause was aided further when Rodriquez named his right hand man Tony Gibson as a member of his coaching staff, which could eventually be the Wolverines trump card in Pryor sweepstakes. Pryor told me that he’s very comfortable with Gibson, and the two talk just about everyday. When you consider these facts, combined with a few sources indicating that Pryor has some VERY encouraging things to say recently about Michigan chances, you’ll see that the Wolverines are in great shape with Signing Day fastly approaching."
07
yes
fuktheestablishment:
You've gone and done it now. Hoards of angry scout trolls will spew their venom towards you for sullying their PREMIUM content!
I came back to win the national championship & beat OSU
This is coming from the same group of intellectuals that developed LLLLLLoyd Carr and scUM.
I am the best running back ever who never won anything
Its actually LLLLLLLloyd Carr. Is name already had 2 Ls.
Tressel is asking for another visit from Pryor. Looks like someone is a little nervous...
http://www.cleveland.com/osufoot...0070.xml&
coll=2
kg,
actually wha tthe convo was about, and im not even sure where or when it started, had to do with a theory as to why qb's are leary of the spread...
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Let me tell you, no one at my workplace is in a hurry to recruit engineers from the Oohi State University.
you having a good time on the michigan forum?
Tennblue...You are wrong when you said "real men scratch plays into concrete with their fingernails. Chalk is for faggots.
Real men use broken glass from Wine-o bottles and beer caps...you are the O.E 800 cap..
kgh...seriously, the fact that you are both female and have such a love for Michigan football AND have actual knowledge about the game itself leads me to believe that I may just have to ask you to marry me.
We can worry about each other's names and all that other meaningless stuff later...
FTV: Thanks for the clarification. It's much more humorous now.
@ Huss
they can go themselves - but thanks for the warning.
we're cool, though.
tOSU grads < MSU grads ... this is a toss up but i think lil bro might have the edge.
I'd take little bro over Oohi State grads anyday, no question.
thanks gsims, and thanks HMC lol. I'm a small fish in a big pond here when it comes to fball knowledge, but thanks for the compliment.
I'm pretty sure Vest just misspelled 'Mike' as 'Bike' and decided to cover it up by pretending it was an insult.
In fairness, it's very a understandable mistake. 'Mike' is four whole letters.
for all 50,000+ students they have there you would think they could churn out at least a handful of contributing members to society. we goto space bitches.
@kgh10
It's more of a debate/discussion over why passing QBs like Chad Henne and Ryan Mallett don't think the spread offense is good for them. Given the versatility of the spread and the willingness of RichRod to run a pass-based spread offense, their dislike doesn't make a lot of sense. A young kid like Mallett wanting a clean slate after a turbulent freshman year is one thing. But grizzled veteran and solidsolid QB Chad Henne not seeing the advantages of running the spread? WTF is going on here?
So, we've been trying to nail it down. gsimmons, TennBlue, and I are pretty much in agreement that the spread QB is a more demanding position, because of the required speed in reads & decisions, and the requirement that the QB be willing to tuck and run and gain yards. A lot of QBs may not want the challenge of such a demanding position, especially if they're not fleet-footed enough to gain yards on a scramble. A spread offense essentially asks more from the QB than just to make throws.
We're still theorizing, though, but I think gsimmons' experiences are pretty instructive. He said upthread that there are a LOT of 'meh' QBs that can run a traditional offense pretty well, but a spread offense DEMANDS a good QB in order for it to be effective. It might be scaring off the traditional QBs.
"and thanks HMC lol. I'm a small fish in a big pond here when it comes to fball knowledge, but thanks for the compliment" ==== letting me down slowly and easily
Thanks for being polite about it at least!
LOL
SPACE BITCHES
Space, bitches. Space.
RE: Football Knowledge -
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Yes
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Gsimmons may know his stuff
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but the most learned poster on the
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subject of football
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is of course
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THE KNOWLEDGE
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Yes
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@Fear the Vest
Let me just take a shot in the dark. You live in ohio, you have a blue collar job, probably digging shit, there isn't anything going on in ohio and we know this because it is FLAT, your total income is under 50K, you are overweight, and have traits of an alcoholic, (am i hitting a little close to home here)
there is nothing going on in ohio today because, well, frankly, theres never anything going on, so you come on our boards just to try and upset people, which you aren't. but all i can see is jealousy and envy in ur actions of showing up here. no body here would go on ohio boards and talk, why? because we dont give a flying fuck about your school. congrats you guys have been good in football this decade, but thats ALL you assholes have. you dont have money, good jobs, or good looking women. we have lakes, beaches, blondes, and clean air.
i dont know whether to be upset or flattered at your presence, but i will chose the latter. im sorry your state is such a shit hole and all you hillbillies have is college football. go tigers, go pistons, go redwings. there is plenty to do here in the winter, oh and yeah or football team in the fall is also exciting.
kindly go fuck yourself.
"probably digging shit"
Hahahahaha! How great was that?!?
Once I make my first billion I am going to enroll in an MBA program at OSU get season football tickets, then graduate and donate millions of dollars to the school.
At that point, once I have "established" myself as an OSU fan and solidified that with a "degree" from the school, I will begin my sabotage operation.
I will seek out every major OSU recruit who looks like he's going to choose OSU over Michigan and will offer said recruit a nice shiney car and some jewelry to give his mom for mothers day. Eventually all OSU players will become ineligible and the world will be a better place in which to live.
RE: Ohio being flat, Michigan is pretty flat too.
Theres nothing wrong with living in Ohio, there is something wrong with living in Ohio and being a Bucknut.
@FearTheVest
You don't by any chance wear a mustache, do you? Care to share with us the length and bushiness of said mustache?
(Some of you know where I'm going with this. Be quiet while I have fun with this Bucknut)
Truth is, I think Henne might be confusing spread option and spread. I think a LOT of people confuse spread option from spread, I just didn't think veteran athletes did too.
dix- save yourself the time and effort. the few tOSU grads with substantial wealth find a way to accomplish that themselves
since when did we feed fearthevest trolls?
Ohio, aka the world's largest open air sewage pit.
Sorry to deviate from the Buckeye bashing, but I just read Bruce Feldman's latest blog update, and I never realized how shady a fuck Urban Meyer is. Check this out if you don't have ESPN Insider:
--A few weeks earlier there was a story from an Internet recruiting site quoting Darryl Stonum, a Michigan recruit, on a conversation with Meyer: "He told me that he talked to Coach [Lloyd] Carr and Coach Soup [Erik Campbell] and that they told him that I would be a much better fit in the Florida offense than I would be in the one at Michigan. I thought, wow, my coaches are selling me out? I confronted them about it. I asked Coach Carr and Coach Soup about it and they said they never talked to that guy and that there was no way they ever said anything like that and that they think I should be a Wolverine. I believed them. Right then, I knew just how Florida rolled."--
But I wont try to pretend I'm not doing it.
HMC - I don't want this thread to turn into the coaching search threads when people started exchanging phone numbers and pics. I think we can all agree that was pretty WEIRD.
In all fairness, even if RR's "passing" iteration of his offense, the QB WAS asked to run a fair amount (the oft-cited Shaun King year involved 800 yards rushing from King). Henne's not slow - his 40 speed is about that of a linebacker - he just doesn't have the instincts for that. I think it's a perfectly reasonable assertion to say that the type of offense that RR specifically run, even if he throws it alot, may not be suited for a statue.
Urban Meyer is a dirty mothafuc*a. he is currently being investigated by the ncaa for a 2nd time.
yea HMC,
we dont want us convening outside the watchful eye of this board.
Hmm...yeah, very true. The Facebook groups are enough for me. Speaking of the devil, I really like formerly's post that said something to the effect of "now even more 'formerlyanonymous.'"
Someone is questioning Urban Meyer's recruiting practices? Dear me, I have never seen the likes of this board.
Not only do we go to SPACE, BITCHES, we have the Space Emperor of Space too.
Is there a traditional offense that also includes the option...I didn't watch in the Leach days so I don't know a lot about tht type of option offense. I think Henne would be afraid of that type of option too, but I guess spread automatically = spread option to a lot of people. For a statuesque QB, that is a scary thought. Now, I wonder what he'd say when you tell him that in the best game of his career he was running the spread or a form of it.
yes, i have what some call sarcasm and wit.
If anyone posts their address I'm hunting them down and pulling a Larry Harrison.
Actually his lack of intelligence is what makes it funny.
What are you doing on the computer? I thought I told you to go to the store and pick up my hemorrhoid meds and a fifth of MadDog.
the boards during the coaching search were genuine entertainment and comedy.
I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed that month or so of insanity.
If anyone posts their address I'm hunting them down and pulling a Larry Harrison.
dex | Homepage | 01.24.08 - 2:52 pm | #
Quick - someone find Tressell's address.
@kgh10:
Here's a YouTube of highlights of the 1977 OSU-Michigan game. Rick Leach running the option in all it's glory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...h?
v=UVx0s8JdE7c
Urban Meyer had to be a shady recruiter, he had to get kids to willingly go to utah.
BTW when I complained about the option the other day, it was more of the spread option rather than tradish option (which I probably don't like that much either). And when I mean spread option I mean Illinois and/or WVU's offenses. They're fun, but I love love love passing. Not Texas Tech or Hawaii passing, but you get the gist I think.
Well, kgh, I think he probably knew that. Henne's a pretty intelligent (albeit, not very articulate) guy and a very smart QB.
I think that, being as he has always been a pro-style QB, his draft stock is based on his worth to the NFL. I don't think his talent would truly be on display if he were asked to run any sort of spread outside of the "spread" that they ran in the CapOne bowl.
I mean, if you're recruited (like Mallett was) to be a pro-style QB to a school that has a history of putting pro-style QBs into the NFL (and that was probably one of their highest recruiting selling points), then it'd be tough to want to do something else.
At that point, though, it becomes a question of the individual vs. the team. When it comes to that, I'd rather have someone less talented but committed to the team than someone more talented who's only concern is himself and his future.
How are we defining "The Spread"? Is it just any offense that has 4 receivers split wide? If that's the case, we're not discussing an offense, we're discussing a formation. To lump them together would be like saying that Colts = Texas Tech = WVU = Run and Shoot Oilers. I think that would be a mistake.
btw thanks TennBlue.
i've lived in both ohio and michigan for significant stretches of time:
ohio has better jobs and debatedly better looking women
michigan has better sports teams, sports fans, and is physically much prettier
otherwise, they're basically the same
@ Truth
Aside from the UP, and the northwestern coast of the lower penninsula, Michigan is fairly mind-numbingly flat too. Also of note, Cincinnati is the hilliest city in the midwest.
And, while there are plenty of good looking women here, are you actually trying to say that UM has better looking women than tOSU?
Fairly generally accepted correlation - as intelligence increases, attractiveness decreases... we all know which university has a more intelligent student body.
Keegan,
Only one incident in the "pattern" actually involved superenthusiastic OSU boosters, which was the Troy Smith incident. Clarett's "family friend" and the horribly dirty basketball program under O'Brien isn't exactly superenthusiastic boosters, certainly no more than Ed Martin.
AH RUN AND SHOOT OILERS!!! THE PAIN THE PAIN!
Hmm...in retrospect:
"I think that, being as he has always been a pro-style QB, his draft stock is based on his worth to the NFL."
Probably one of my least intelligent statments of all-time.
*hands head*
Re: The option
I remember the days when Nebraska ran the ball like 95% of the time, their triple option attack was unstoppable, just as Steve Spurrier and the 95 Gators.
The spread is the new West Coast Offense.
The term can be applied so many different ways, it's virtually meaningless.
actually in terms of qb recruits, i say we go after that crippled hardass from murderball.
kgh10- are you a student by chance?
HMS - substitute "pocket passer" for pro-style and that statement would've been fine. we get what you're saying anyway
You just know Duderstadt's been all up in Bill Martin's grill about this RR kerfuffle. "Like WTF BM, who is this joker you hired? He's giving the U a bad wrap."
If I was BM, I'd be like "Yo Dude, WTF's up with the invite to the Ayatollah of Iran to come speak to your students at Columbia?"
The term can be applied so many different ways, it's virtually meaningless.
That's sort of my point.
07 - yessir.
chitown - I've been thinking of anecdotes for the "spread" rather than having to define it, because I think it is really broad. I really don't think formation is the only thing that defines it (gsims or someone more knowledgeable can elaborate...please?).
there are plenty of fine ladies at school here, they are not here on their grades, but on Daddy's money
that is the common misconception of UM girls
But seriously, how can anyone reasonably say that a QB like Henne can look at RR's offense at any stop, an offense that has always featured a running Quarterback, and feel like he could succeed in it? Or Mallett for that matter?
...and then I can't spell "hangs"
I'm "handing" it up for the day.
When my wife and drive home from DC to Michigan, we have the unfortunate task of driving through ohio. We count trailer parks and abandoned factories along the way to pass time.
@chitown
See Tulane: King.
@chitown
I think it's a perfectly reasonable assertion to say that the type of offense that RR specifically run, even if he throws it alot, may not be suited for a statue.
I still contend that Ryan Mallett was not a statue. He was no gazelle, but he could get some yards from a scramble if he wanted to.
Velocity --
Nicely done! Intelligence is inversely proportional to hotness.
agreed, chitownblue 00...that's what I'm trying to say. I don't fault Mallett for transferring. I mean, yeah, the offense could've been built around him to help him succeed in it...but he's much better served at a place that's going to use a pocket-passer (thanks, kgh) in their offensive system.
cfaller - ditto on Mallett.
RE:
"trailer parks and abandoned factories"...
Pffft... good thing Detroit doesn't have any of those. Otherwise you'd be like the pot calling the kettle black.
Come on guys, I hate Ohio too. Can we please stop citing reasons that incriminate ourselves equally as much?
As much as people point to Shaun King, chitown nailed it when he brought up the fact King had 800 yards rushing in that offense. I know some are deluded into thinking Henne can scramble and evil Lloyd held him back, but King was 100x more mobile than Henne, who is probably more mobile than Mallett.
The next argument is the Brady/NE "Spread", but RR != Bill Belichick. Yes, Henne/cavemen QB #223 could succeed in that offense, but we have no evidence RR has any desire to do that.
Wait, did I just read that there is a broad posting in here? WTF? My beer is empty and it ain't gonna replace itself.
Ohio shares a border with West Virginia. How's that?
All I'm saying is that the Patriot's run a form of "The Spread".
The Colts essentially do, but they say they don't.
Texas Tech "spreads" the field.
WVU runs "the spread".
Texas runs "the spread".
At least as defined as "putting lots of WR's on the field spread out", then the old-school Lions, Falcons, and Oilers ran the spread.
Hell, the Buffalo Bills probably did.
Is there a link to an article that says which OSU coaches met with Sarniak, when and where it happened, etc?
female tosu grads spent time with male tosu students, that makes automatically dirtier than little bro grads, if you have the choice between the two, take little bros chick
One thing I've noticed about the spread is that, since it relies on quick reads and usually shorter passes, there usually aren't too many deep balls thrown.
Am I correct about that or am I just missing something.
One of the first things I thought about (other than, "eeeee RichRod!") when he was hired was that I was sure going to miss those "parabolas" to the likes of Manningham, Edwards, etc.
I mean, I can't foresee too many future fades to the corner of the end zone (reference: MSU 2007). That kinda makes me sad. Those are my favorite. If it weren't for the blocked field goal (*shudders*) at the end of The Horror, I would say that seeing Manningham pull down that bomb in front of me would've been one of my favorite plays of this year. Unfortunately, I think those might be going bye-bye.
formerlyanonymous - Shaun King ran for 800 yards the year he threw for 4000, that was still an offense that made the QB run.
Yeah, I know chitown. People go on and on about the NE Spread but it's a fallacy to think that because RR ran a version of the "spread" at WVU, etc. that he is well versed in every application of the spread.
Actually that goes with a slogan from my college days.
"Ohioans should be glad Michigan sucks. Otherwise, they'd all be in West Virginia. And, frankly, we're getting tired.
The Michigan Wolverines have run a spread for 120+ years.
There, I said it.
One thing to worry about for you RR spread fans...
Oregon,WV,Florida and Illinois all ran a version of that offense this year. Dixon(knee) out for season. White(thumb) missed time. Tebow(broken/fractured wrist) Juice W. had trouble finishing games.
Spread offense still has yet to prove that a QB in a MAJOR conf. can stay healthy.
what the fuck, haloscan?!
REFRESH HALOSCAN
Anon's argument conveniently discounts the national championship Florida won using Tebow in limited situations but basically depending on Leak.
@chitown
One of the best definitions of "The Spread" I've seen was during this year's Big 12 Championship game. They showed a replay of a camera right above and behind the QB, and showed how much space the linemen put between themselves, i.e. the o-line itself was "spread" out more than a traditional o-line. The philosophy behind the spread, IMO, starts there- spread the defense out (not only with WRs, but in the trenches), keep the blocking, reads, and routes simple, and (quickly!) take what the defense gives you.
Just throwing that out there.
Didn't Juice have problems finishing games because he was frequently pulled for incompetency?
Vince young stayed healthy running Texas's shotgun spread, that just one example off the top of my head. Henne got hurt and he wasn't in the spread. Injuries happen regardless of what system you run.
cfaller - at least that's a definition beyond "Having 4 wide receivers split wide". Thanks.
Re: Juice Williams. Juice didn't have trouble finishing games due to injury (only once...and he did come back). Juice had trouble finishing games because he played poorly and Zook wanted to jumpstart his offense by putting in Fast Eddie (who, really, was no better than Juice but just provided some energy to the offense because he was something fresh).
I personally way disagreed with it. I was at one game where Zook started with Juice, subbed in Eddie, then brought Juice back in, and ultimately finished with Eddie again (and yeah, they ended up winning somehow).
Still, your point is understood. I think it really makes the QB vulnerable. He's going to get "hit" a lot more than he would in the pocket when he's scrambling or running the option.
"Ohioans should be glad Michigan sucks. Otherwise, they'd all be in West Virginia. And, frankly, we're getting tired
Should that not read Kentucky? Kentucky is south of Ohio. Your sucking, keeps Ohio from sliding south, not east! Need a map?
I wish I could sort through QB stats and not have sacks count as rush attempts.
From the outside (PSU), your dirty laundry with Martin looks to be of a MORE serious caliber as each incident with Ohio State - but on the other hand, it's only one, while they've had many. Pretty much the same eau from over here.
Don't know if this will penetrate, but maybe it will.
Re: hating the state of Ohio (rather than just OSU)
Ohio gave U of M Bo Schembechler, Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson, Elvis Grbac, and a few other somewhat important figures in the history of Michigan football.
@cfaller96:
That was my impression, too. Normally, an O-line is shoulder-to-shoulder. A "spread" formation involved having a step or two between each lineman, regardless of the number of WR on the line.
The spread formation creates different blocking angles and lanes and can be very confusing for a defense. At least that's my understanding.
@Jim Harbaugh Scramble
VY only had 4 100 yard rushing games in his career. Hardly a running QB!
KGH
Are you as cute or cuter then Bunny Lebowski?
Fear The Vest
You sound like you smell like shit. Go away you miserable myopic jackass.
Being in SoCal, I never catch any crap from OSU fans out here. Most of them actually are pretty cool.
Why is it that the ones who live in Ohio sound like morons, not all but most.
@TennBlue,
Or monstrous expanses in Texas Tech's offense the last few years, I swear they have 5 receivers on the sideline and line man stretching all the way out to them.
cfaller,
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking - do the Patriots, a team frequently referred to as running a "Passing Spread" have huge O-Line splits?
Northwestern QBs didn't get hurt that often either.
No matter what offense you run, an injury to the starting QB will pretty much doom your chances at a conference or national championship. And I contend that for every Pat White or Dennis Dixon, there's a Chad Henne or 5 UCLA QBs that happen in traditional offenses.
Injuries happen, and they're NOT a result of the offense you run, IMO.
I read somewhere that RR does the spread punt formation that worked so flawlessly for us - is that true?
Should that not read Kentucky? Kentucky is south of Ohio. Your sucking, keeps Ohio from sliding south, not east! Need a map?
Well, if you treat Ohio as a free body and regard Michigan's suckage as a force directed outward from the center of the state, it would be pulling Ohio to the north-west. The joke is that this is then a force opposing Ohio's inherent social and pyschological attraction to the south-east, which is where West Virginia resides.
Physics jokes are SO much funnier after they've been explained to noobs.
It would make sense that a running QB, who theoretically gets hit more, would stand a greater injury risk merely because the opportunity is greater.
And with gsims lurking, I bet you're nervous about "throwing that out there," eh, cfaller?
Physics jokes are SO much funnier after they've been explained to noobs.
Force=MassXAcceleration! LOLZ.
A running QB is more like a tailback who can throw, though. Durability is a necessary attribute. A running QB who can't take a hit isn't a running QB for very long.
I don't know about normally (rarely caught WVU games) but in the bowl game this year I definitely saw one... was taken a bit back due to our semi-recent history with it. But it seemed to work out well for them, I guess? They got the punt off fine... not that they punted much that game.
that last one was aimed at chitownblue 00, sorry
Should that not read Kentucky? Kentucky is south of Ohio. Your sucking, keeps Ohio from sliding south, not east! Need a map?
Actually you are still wrong! If the sucking motion from the NW corner of of ohio was to stop, with the curvature of the earth, would ohio not slide more to the south and west, putting ohio into NW kentucky?
RE: punt formation
Wasn't Stewart the special teams coach?
I suppose that formation could be the function of his theory, and may or may not change without him.
http://westvirginia.scout.com/2/...m/2/
569561.html
Brief discussion about the spread rugby punt. I think its unnecessary with Zoltan.
Here's hoping he won't transfer because he is a pro style punter.
MGoBlog = Zero Productivity
A hearty "thank-you" from my boss, Brian!
@chitown
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking - do the Patriots, a team frequently referred to as running a "Passing Spread" have huge O-Line splits?
Well, from what little time I saw of the Patriots...yes, their o-line did seem a little more spread out than normal. So did the Colts' o-line, for that matter. I think that's why it's assumed that they run "the spread" (even if the Colts don't admit it).
What enables it to work for the Colts and Pats, however, is that both Brady and Manning are unsurpassed in pre-snap and post-snap reads. Both know where they're going with the foobaw before they hike it. Also, Maroney and Addai are good in one-on-one matchups on tacklers, enabling a good 4-5 yards/rush even with only 5 blockers.
Note that Brady and the Pats themselves admitted the second half adjustment vs. the Chargers was to (and I'm really quoting here) "close down the formations" and get more bodies blocking. That sounds to me like they usually have their blocking "spread out" a little more.
I think "the spread" starts with how you do your blocking. But I'll defer to gsimmons on this.
Anonymous, if you're being serious there is no point in responding to you.
If you're not being serious, then I guess there is still no point in responding to you.
"Here's hoping he won't transfer because he is a pro style punter."
Ah! The rumored sarcasm and wit!
Oh, and just as an update...I actually ran into a Michigan fan in my area last night at the store. It made for an enjoyable 30 seconds of conversation. I didn't ask him if he was a "blog fag," though...didn't think that'd be appropriate. Maybe next time I run into him in the store...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spr.../
Spread_offense
Wikipedia refuses to give a a concrete definition of the Spread, and essentially says that teams that have run the spread include:
WVU
Patriots
Run-and-shoot teams like the Oilers
Texas
Texas Tech
West Coast Offense teams like Walsh's 49'ers.
This is less than useful.
http://westvirginia.scout.com/2/...m/2/
580602.html
Much better article on the RR spread punt. Sorry the earlier one sucked.
Pryor's future could be ruined by the mishandling of recruiting by tOSU. Can he walk away from them clean and come to Michigan? Or will allegations follow him, wherever he goes? Thanks for any info.
TennBlue
A running QB is more like a tailback who can throw, though. Durability is a necessary attribute. A running QB who can't take a hit isn't a running QB for very long.
This is a point that is too often overlooked- yes, a spread option QB will get hit more often, but no one in their right mind is going to put a fragile-as-china QB into a spread option attack in the first place. You run the spread option when you have the personnel to do it, otherwise you don't run it. And even if you DO have the personnel, injuries will still happen regardless.
No one disputes that someone like, say, Chad Henne would have been hurt MORE if he ran the spread option attack, but just the mere thought of Chad Henne running the spread option attack should make you realize what a stupid hypothetical that is, shouldn't it? Spread option QBs aren't at a higher risk of injury than a pocket QB, IMO.
Once = Incident
Twice = Coincidence
Three times = Pattern
TennBlue -
Thanks for the Leach clip. Damn! He was my favorite UM QB. Denny Franklin is my second. I think its funny how UM became known as "Quarterback U" from Harbugh on, and everyone who grew up on M football from 82 on have NO IDEA how UM thrived on the option. And how frickin exciting it was, too. Im hoping we see some of that again under RR.....
I hate haloscan.
HaloScan = teh suxxorz
We need MGoBoard.
For like the third time:
HaloScan is blowing goats today...
HAAAALO SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!!
should be read along the same lines as "BIIIIILLKOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"
too old a reference for a 22yo?
I'm pretty MGoBored as it stands right now.
*rim shot and low groans at painstakingly crappy joke*
Driving around in my automobile...
@cfaller96:
The type of hit matters, too. A running QB will generally see the hit coming and be ready for it. A pocket-passer often gets nailed on a blind-side blitz he never anticipated. So a running QB takes more hits, but each one does little damage. A pocket QB takes fewer hits, but each one he does take can be far more dangerous. Running QB's rarely get concussions, for example.
So all in all it's about equal. A team needs good backups to remain successful because starters will get hurt, regardless of system.
chitown -
technically, force = a change in momentum over a change in time. Only when mass stays constant does force = mass x acceleration.
Woo, engineering!
A couple days old, but I just saw this article from the freep, apparently RR is gonna speak at halftime of the Michigan/OSU Bball game.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...8/1123/
SPORTS05
Velocity -
Ill take a woman with a brain over one without any day of the week, but then Im not afraid of the smart chicas..... Your correlation is spurious (not to be confused with Spurrierous)...
Anon,
I got a C in high school physics, so I'm happy I remembered what I did.
At least we pay our Basetball players much better than OSU
Can you say runnin Webber
hey guys and lady,
im back, sorry i left so suddenly, head coach came in with a new position coach that he wants to hire, and we got tlaking and talking and talking, about schemes , fronts but mostly about philosphies, and about hwo to get kids fired up and run through walls for ya... god i love sharing my ideas with people who just met me....i think this guy, (who was ga at carolina) is so fired up right now to come over here... he wants to be on our defensive staff... god im fired up now... is it spring ball time yet!!!????
gsimm, how'd you get into coaching initially?
gsimmons,
That all sounds well and good, but was the head coach sporting a Sex Mustache? Please, it's important.
The way you can just back handedly act as if the Ed Martin thing didn't count, and wasn't a pattern for years and years, is simply stunning.
Sure Mrs. Lincoln, but how was the play? Dipshits.
@TennBlue
There is a reason running backs have the shortest careers in the nfl. Runnig backs take more hits. You are correct that pocket passers may take harder hits, but spread qb's take more of them. That is and has been the concern for the option spread offense.
black guy played ss at wssu....
so no sex mustache... about 24 he said, seem like he was eager....
i got into coaching the day i figured out i could play in the nfl or the nba.... sports has alwyas been the only thing i was good at, so i had to get into coaching... so i picked up history and teaching to give me that oportunity.... now i like teaching too...
ok im going through the post now...... LOTS OF STUFF TO CLEAR UP!!!!!
lol
j/k
The Ed Martin thing did not happen, who is Ed Martin? Since they (NCAA) removed the banners I forgot about those 3 years of the fab four
@gsimmons
I think you should talk him into a Sex Mustache. Make sure he understands it's not just a look, but a lifestyle.
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I think you should talk him into a Sex Mustache.
You don't talk other people into Sex Mustaches. Sex Mustaches talk other people into bed.
Watching that clip of the '77 UM-OSU game, it's cool to see how the players celebrated. Whenever they make a good play, they jump up and down with their hands in the air, like kids leaping for joy because Mom made them a pitcher of Koolaid. No posturing, no pointing, no shaking of the head, no shit-talking - no choreography. Throw in some clumsy half-hugs and missed hand-slaps and there's something really touching about it.
by the power of grayskull i hate haloscan.
Haloscan is the real whore.
There is a reason running backs have the shortest careers in the nfl. Runnig backs take more hits. You are correct that pocket passers may take harder hits, but spread qb's take more of them. That is and has been the concern for the option spread offense.
Ah, but the spread option QB is definitely NOT running as much as a running back, is he? Further, it's quite rare for a spread option QB (or any college QB) to start for 3 years or more- a spread option QB will most likely have to take hits for 2 seasons, maybe less. Even NFL RBs last longer than that, so I doubt this is really a problem.
We can't say a spread QB won't start generally three years or more. There have been so many in history and all.
Two I can think of starting that long are Pat White and soon to be Juice Williams.
MRG
You don't talk other people into Sex Mustaches. Sex Mustaches talk other people into bed.
And with that, I'm going to shut up for awhile. I just can't compete with comments like that.
Ah, but the spread option QB is definitely NOT running as much as a running back, is he?
FWIW, Pat White carried the ball 12 times less than Steve Slaton.
@ Cotton Candy and AAIAW,
who forgot about Ed Martin? Just because some guy was caught giving our players money, that means it's OK for 'you' to do it now? I don't think anyone here is denying what happened to our basketball team, and we all wish it wouldn't have happened. But to use that as justification for what's going on with Pryor is what is stupid.
reason why everyone doesnt runt he spread...
#1 it is complicated... it looks easy, but the techniques and all the plays run out of the spread are more complicated, and have to be run perfectly or people get hurt... (becasue the way to stop the spread is to attack it)
not all coaches no enough about how to implement it
#2 your qb has got to be great, since it takes so much time to do this, and effort its hard to have backups ready to jump in.. (much like split back veer qbs)
#3 your qb is going to take a shot, anytime you leave extra men unblocked to create mismatches on the edge, that said unblocked defender is going to get licks on the qb
i think you guys are too smart to be coaches however... you guys are talking about what makes it a spread and dissecting the ol allignment and such.... NO coach in america uses the ol splits as an indication of what formation they are in... split back veer teams sometimes will split out tackles 3 yards to create a situation they can exploit... it has nothing to do with spread or non spread....
when we break down film, and we see a qb in a shot gun, one or two backs, and no te. we say, oh shit another spread, and we then try to figure out what they like to do out of the spread... it is a formation not a play...
The way you can just back handedly act as if the Ed Martin thing didn't count, and wasn't a pattern for years and years, is simply stunning.
Not nearly as stunning as your illiteracy. Read Brian's post again, and tell me where you find the section where he says "the Ed Martin thing didn't count."
You don't talk other people into Sex Mustaches. Sex Mustaches talk other people into bed.
I'm thinking we need to have a sex mustache tailgate this fall to ring in the RichRod era. The only requirement to attend? A sex mustache.
Come to think of it, I'm a little confused as to how a guy named "RichRod" doesn't have his own sex mustache.
gsimmons - how, then, can anyone reasonably call the Spread "an offense"? If both Texas Tech and WVU run it, then the term is nearly meaningless, other than a way to describe having 4 receivers on the field, no?
@cfaller96
No a sprad QB may not run as often as a RB, but all i am saying is that the percentages go up on a qb that runs as often as one does in rr's offense.
if all you run is shotgun,
wouldnt you say you run a shotgun offense
if all you run is spread,
then you are a spread team
in otherwords you are saying we will spread you out an attack how you play that...
just like someone saying we are going to rununballanced I and see how you play that, then we will attack you bassed on how you play it...
Catching up on the comments:
kgh10 at 2:27: Word.
ftheestablishment at 2:31: Why does that report make me cringe and think "jinx"?
OT (sort of): Rich Maloney is singing Barwis' praises, and breathing a "finally!" sigh of relief. I imagine we'll be hearing that from all the other head coaches, too.
Was it confirmed that this will be the hottest women's tennis final in history? I never heard official word on Ivanovic.
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I somewhat feel Maria's side modeling only makes her appear better looking.
but when people say that they run "the veer", or "the option", that prescribes a certain set of plays. With the Spread, that's clearly not the case.
@MMakinItHere
I admit, I had to look up spurious. Now that I have, I disagree with you.
Not about the part where you say you'd rather have a woman with brains than without, I agree there, but about my post being spurious.
Sure, you'd RATHER have a smart girl than a stupid girl. You'd also rather have a pretty girl than an ugly one, and a healthy one over an obese one. This has nothing to do with my statement that attractiveness and intelligence are TYPICALLY inversely proportional. There are outliers in pretty much every statistical relationship - it should therefore not be considered an insulting or spurious statement in any way. An intelligent, beautiful girl, going to UM on her grades and not her dad's money (as someone else above me alleged - admittedly, I have no way of verifying this statement) would definitely be an outlier. Good for her. I should also note, that my statement includes men as well as women, so as not to offend the many feminists who frequent this blog. While I'm at it, I may as well throw in every other disclaimer I can think of in case someone else interprets my post far too literally.
chitown, does that make sense?
in other words RR by being a spread guy, has decided the way he will evaluate how defenses play, that is he will psread teams out and call plays bassed on his players, and what they can do against what the defense is trying to do to him
if you are an I formation team... and we use that term all the time... you are saying, this is how we will evaluate a defense. how the line up and play this will determine what we run against them (knowing what our people's strengths are of course)
people say they run the split back veer... that is a formation...
how you play that will decide what they run...
not saying that nobody just evalutes bassed on a particualr play
for example page highschool's head coach, use to be at trinity...will always run sweep first play, could be out of any formation... but he is going to base his play calling on how you play the sweep....
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Where are the space bitches? I hear there are bitches from space here.
Why would OSU (or a booster) need to pay AJ Hawk cash to come to OSU? He wasn't very highly recruited...
Baby don't hurt me
Come on Nathan. Why would anyone want to go to OSU unless they weren't paid for it?
I'm disappointed in the whole TP-Sarniak rumor. I don't think TP comes to Michigan even though he could flourish in RR's system.
What about that kid that committed to Minn. at the army game?
Females who frequent this blog are not necessarily "feminists," just intelligent. Crap, that must mean we're all hideous ... or outliers.
And HMC, shouldn't you change your handle to "kghCrush"?
if Pryor lands at OSU, if, it has nothing to do with some business guy or a corvette or....whatever other underhanded situation you're trying to sell yourselves on.
he comes to OSU to play for a proven top 5 program. he comes to take snaps behind a massive, in talent & size, O-line. he comes to play in a set that will feature his 'known' talents & teach him others which will help him reach the next level & be successul in it.
keep on making excuses as to why your program may be unable to close on a guy who Rodriguez should be able to get....who can walk in and start...who seems to be a 'natural' fit.
that's all this is.....nothing more. take a step back and see this for what it is.
be pretty funny if he goes to Penn State wouldn't it? better start working on an angle for that one Brian.
hey lane. thanks for your input, big guy. you really nailed the heart of the issue. osu is the king of college football. they rule. osu is so fucking sweet that everytime i think about the football program, i shit my pants and then consume the said feces because im just so fuuuuuuuuuckin blown away. and that massive o-line (in both size and talent) makes me so goddamn hard that i could literally bang myself. in fact, im think im going to right now.
hey, knock yourself out.
and i thought it was only a measly post on a blog.
oh, and BGH, never seen it, but i've heard that 2 girls 1 cup might be right up your alley.
maybe not?
hey guys why dont you beat ohio state before you start bickering about the buckeyes. We will be fine without pryor we have henton so suck my balls
Brian - you cold-hearted SOB. Pryor was so close to choosing TSUN - and now - with the Corvette pic you out him as another spoiled recipient of graft, Sarniak style, from his prom, probably 2 years ago.
If your read on this is right I Guess UM can kiss Pryor goodbye.
Shame for UM, as we all suspect here in Columbus that RR helped grease the Corvette loan program in Jeannette - via the 1100 club.
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Brian its time to hang up the blog dude...really this is your Hillary Clinton moment fo sure. Omg I can't even believe you posted this gawbage.
Dear scUM fans,
Two words: Appalachian State.
Brian, you are losing it.
Ed Martin's last public statement as published in the Ann Arbor News: "I love U-M. Go Blue!"
No interest in the Michigan athletic program my a$$.
Hey Blue Steel
Why would anyone come to OSU without getting paid? Geeh I dont know how about this for a list;
1. Its not Ass Arbor
2. Dick Rod isnt the coach
3. The University isnt in a shitty state that the world has passed by (sorry man but the auto industry doesnt hold you up any longer)
4. To actually win the Big Ten and play for a National Title
and of course
5. To beat Trashigan's ass under Coach Tressel. Missing Cooper are you not?
So you came up with 4 examples huh? How'd the whole fab 5 thing turn out? I cant think of OSU vacating any titles, did Michigan?
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