first
Just a second.
thank god there's something to talk about other than basketball
42nd
will we be getting a full class review?
Goddammit. Please enact some sort of user registration for comments. It's been two months of pathetic shit like this and 500-comment threads.
"Penn State class featuring nine layers" (of bricks; of pipe; etc.)
I'll take 'typos that double as pseudo-freudian slips' for $500 Alex.
sorry for the over-bold... it was just supposed to be the operative word there...
Man, Tiller is the definition of a curmudgeon. Hope Rodriguez will continue the annual tradition of running up the score on Purdue.
1) The "gentleman's agreement" that was supposed to exist is between Big Ten teams - which would leave PSU free to screw over the Pitts and Marylands of the world. But the bullet points are right on point.
2) Re: McGuffie: who cares, the right one won. Unless he turns out to suck, in which case, he should have gone with the other one.
I would give BSD's comments a lot more credence if, like Tiller, they referred to RichRod wearing a wizard hat.
What is this "adjust to the elements" thing that Shafer is talking about?
Just 40 bucks, Dantonio.
I have no idea why, but that line absolutely cracked me up.
The "gentleman's agreement" is complete BS. Was there an "unwritten corollary" to the "gentleman's agreement" that said when a coach retires, that school's commitments are fair game? They're a hypocritical bunch, aren't they?
really nice to see Mealor in good spirits.
There's a cockatail party next Saturday night for former players. Then, on Sunday, there's a brunch followed by the UofM/OSU basketball game.
So does this post offer proof that Brian isn't out there just posting anti-buckeye material? He also posts semi-irrelevant Penn State material too. Yay, the trolls can stop complaining!
Rich Rod isn't quite the speaker Lloyd was, but he's not bad.
Recruits do change their minds, as do many other kids applying to colleges. I sure don't like negative recruiting.
Joe Tiller hates Michigan, though. He hated Michigan before RR came, and it seems like he hated Lloyd Carr. Does anyone know any details on this?
It's really great to see that RR is embracing UM's past and tradition. Bill Callahan tried to completely change things at Nebraska, and everyone hated him. He was like the new camp director in Heavyweights.
Lloyd seemed more preplanned and careful about what he said. RR seems more spontaneous. but I'm guessing that wil change after a few more sharp/carty articles.
when are people gonna realize that verbal 'commitments' are nothing more than simply giving you leader at the time? jebus crisp, people... wake the freak up & smell the 21st century. BSD needs to pull his head out of the sand.
Joe Tiller hates the entire Big 10, not just Michigan. If you've noticed, over the years, Purdue is one of the few teams that Lloyd rarely took his foot off the gas against.
It would be pretty awesome if RR just told Carty to shut up and stop whining.
Tiller is a younger, fatter version of Wilford Brimley.
Screwing over Purdue? It's the right thing to do..
I like watching Rich Rod speak, it seems more natural and less stunted and reserved like Lloyd. Lloyd always seemed like he was straining to say as little as possible, which I believe he was. Rich, while a little slick, comes off as more genuine, although i hope he can tone down on using the word 'explosive' a bit, he must have said it thirty times yesterday.
'Explosive' is the new 'Trememndous'.
With regard to the supposed "gentlemen's agreement", what a laugh. You would think BSD would do a little checking on that first before spouting off and being so hypocriical.
It's clear that McGuffie's heart told him to go through with his commitment, seeing as how he's previously exclaimed his love for UM and the fact that he helped convince fellow recruits to go there. When he went out to sunny beautiful California and probably caught a glimpse of all the silicone chicks on campus...his mind messed with him for a little bit. Ultimately, we Michigan fans are thankful he went with his heart.
Can we get a t-shirt with Rich in a wizard hat holding a bottle of snake oil?
I love this quote:
"Under former coach Rich Rodriguez, WVU's classes were generally rated from the mid-30s to the mid-50s. But the Mountaineers have won two BCS bowls in the past three seasons, have consistently been highly ranked and came within one win of playing for last year's national title."
2 victorious BCS bowls (one of which was not even coached by DickRod) - earned due to membership in the Big [L]east! That's sure to translate to BCS berths elsewhere.
On second thought - we are talking about the Big Ten here - so that point may, in fact, be relevant after all.
There should be 1 way early signing period which allows the kids to make a choice, be off limitis for discussion afterwards, but still able to change thier mind. If they change thier mind then there is no penalty, but they can't be hounded by coaches unless they say it's ok by opting out. This should be on thier terms. If they want the chaos, fine, but if they don't they should have the opportunity to turn it off (without making a long term binding commitment without knowing all of the parameters/ like new coaches, new players, etc...).
How much longer will you embarrass yourselves with that picture of “Bike” Hart on the main page? The greatest running back in Michigan history…0-4…faking injuries when games get away…yappy midget “Bike” Hart.
Hope you enjoy all those players who were not offered by tOSU. And keep having fun picking on your little brother Michigan State and we will keep slapping you around – our red headed step child.
@Christopher
He WON two BCS games---that means he played, and was VICTORIOUS, against non-Big East teams.
@ Huss
There are a lot more hairy female legs in Berkeley than there are breast augmentations. The campus is VERY low on Silicon, thankfully.
Despite our recent woes against tOSUckme, we are not, nor ever will be 2-10-1.
Go home, douchebag
I try to give respect to all of our fellow Big Ten bloggers, but seriously...Black Shoe Diaries come off as a bunch of whining bitches far too often. This "gentlemans agreement" is a farce and a load of BS. And if it IS legit...I'm glad we brought in RichRod to fuck their shit up and show them that it aint over till its over. This is recruiting. This is not tea and crumpets at your fey little gentlemans table. Clearly, those kids didn't want to go to your school - just be glad that Shaw saved you a years worth of disappointment and an eventual transfer. This is Division 1 football, brother. Go play intramurals.
Honestly, if we get a recruit stolen by PSU on signing day...I can guarandamntee our man Brian wouldn't be in here talking about unwritten rules being broken or about how shady your program is. No, he'd be talking about OUR inability to close in on our recruits. Pussies at BSD: You should be doing the same. You should also wonder why your staff didn't bother to recruit anything but LBs anymore. There are 19 other positions to consider, ya know.
Again, go play intramurals.
FearTheVest= face looks like a vagina with a virus
For anyone that cares to read it, here's Mike Valenti's take on Brian's blog entry Sparty, No!:
http://www.sportsinferno.com/for...64&
postcount=22
mtz, I know...I was just trying to paint a picture of Michigan love trumping the materialism and glamour of the west coast. Really shitty job on my part.
Valenti's response=Fail.
I'm really excited for the next Michigan dynasty to begin. First the recruits and then the American Chopper bike.
How can it be Christmas again?
Um, maybe I'm missing something but I dont think Pitt, Maryland and Notre Dame are in the Big Ten.
Huss, np...perhaps someone dosed him on his visit to Cal and it just took him a while to come down? He was hallucinating for a while about national championships and media exposure and facilities at Cal, but when the LSD wore off, he came back to reality.
Mike Valenti can go suck a fat baby's dick. There is not a bigger tool on the radio......ANYWHERE.
I'd rather listen to Pat Caputo than Valenti. Could it possibly be any worse than that?
facilities at Cal? You mean like the hippies in the trees?
@big 11th blog
No they're not, but to be fair, Tiller also referenced Notre Dame and how Weis was upset after he lost some players on signing day last year.
I don't see the point of the "early signing" period. Will that really change anything, or will the same shit just happen earlier on the calendar? I'd think the first.
How awesome is it that I can wake up on the West Coast and content be waiting on me? Maybe that's why mcguffie had second thoughts. He doesn't have to wake up and wait for MGoBlog content, its up by the time he wakes up.
Ugh, second, rather.
JD,
props to DickRod for the victory against an SEC team (Georgia) - but he didn't actually coach the victory against CHOKLAHOMA this past January.
If he did, there's a chance it might have looked like the Pitt game.
chitownblue, this shit would happen earlier in the year, but the jilted program(s) would still have time to recover and move onto the next recruit at that position on their list
Word has it that Cal will be employing said trees as their new facilities. It turns out that the hippies, after spending so much time climbing and swinging around high in the branches, have turned into chiseled physical specimens and are reportedly going to be filling out Cal's recruiting class in a variety of positions.
Any FireJoeMorgan fans? Black shoes diaries is the recepient of the Food metaphor label!
"This is what I call a meat and potatoes class. It was heavy on linemen and linebackers, but it lacked the zesty sauces and dressing you get with the speedy skill players. We came up short at wide receiver, defensive back and running back."
(BTW, whenever somebody busts out the "meat and potatoes" line, that means they're lacking anything resembling good athletes and are attempting to woo you with the overwhelming amount of whiteness they're going to have on the field.
And by any measure, that was not a good recruiting class for Penn State. It was moderately high because of some 4-stars they got...but when they all play the same damn position, how does that bode for your team as a whole?
By the way, is there anything more annoying than fans making slight changes to disparage the names of opponents? Seriously: DickRod, scUM, Choklahoma, O$U, Llllloyd.
Seriously, it annoys the hell out of me. Damn it people, grow the hell up. Am I alone on this one?
@formerly - I hear you on the West coast late rise ;)
@ christopher
Coming from a coach/school that has never beaten an SEC team in a bowl game, go deal with those demons before coming here you troll.
Christopher - you mean if RR coached a game, there's a chance he could of possibly lost it? That's really fucking insightful.
TXWolv, no you are not.
tx wolf, i understand that, but the questions here are (1) is there an agreement, which most coaches i've heard quoted acknowledge there is, and (2) how strictly is it followed.
the questions are not (1) is ND (or MD or Pitt) included in the agreement, and (2) are tiller's other opinions on line with his acknowledgment of this 'agreement'.
Two excuses I don't buy to make UM not look like 'wizzards with snake oil': (1)"everyone is doing it, grow up and get your head out of the sand" (2) kids who were verbals to non-big ten schools went to PSU in the end so this is ok too.
Also, BSD goes ahead and says that PSU is no saint, you guys need to read the whole post before you start bashing his credibility. BSD is one of the very best Big Ten blogs (MGoBlog is as well, obviously) and his opinions, while homerish, are rarely unfair.
TXWolverine - I cosign that whole-heartedly.
@Christopher
Why the hate? You're an Illini fan. Are you bitter that we've bitch slapped you relentlessly over the last 20-30 years? Go rip on OSU. At least you have something on those turds.
TXWolverine: No, you're not.
In fact, I don't think I've ever used a deragatory term for OSU. Unless never saying "The" counts as an insult. As for MSU, well...being MSU is insulting enough, and I hardly ever bring them up in public.
Terms like "scUM" are just flat out awful. It really makes no sense at all. gayOSUarus hahaha.
Food metaphors!!! Maybe BSD wears a silly hat when he writes.
@Tx
Agreed. "fO$U" is like the ultimate example of that lameness.
And hey, quit picking on Valenti. HE DID HIS PART! HE WAS SCREAMING IN ROW 34! HE HAD HIS SECTION CHEERING! ALL THE TEAM DID WAS PUCKER PUCKER PUCKER! MAKE PLAYS!
Valenti's radio melt-down is, I think, the best thing that's every happened in the history of radio. That or Orson Wells freaking people out with War of the Worlds. I can't make up my mind.
What is Michigan football without Ohio's best players? Purdue. And over the last decade we have seen that to be true since Tressel has put up the wall around the state.
So for now enjoy arguing with Purdue about stealing each others players.
You're not alone TX. I have to admit that I really enjoy saying Moo U though. It makes me laugh inside and that's what really counts here. :-P
I like defiling an opponents name. I'm juvenile when it comes to things like that.
I'm surprised something so minuscule could cause such rancor. Loosen the ties, boys.
I felt bad for Valenti at the end of that. How can one man be so delusional? Did he really think standing in his seat and yelling was the equivalent to playing a football game? Did he really think it was appropriate for a grown man to be almost in tears over 20 year olds playing football? Mind boggling.
Don't. Feed. Trolls.
@JD
I like making fun of rivals as well, I just prefer to do it with something better than the football equivalent of calling someone a "poopy head". Maybe I'll loosen the tie when you get that GED.
txwolverine, i agree but do love the t-shirt..."you can't have c_ck__cker without o s u"
fear the vest:
so seven recruits in this class from ohio, many of which were offered by osu = tressel building a wall around the state?
you are the preoduct of incest.
I am a penn state fan, and i just have to say that all is fair in the recruiting process. If another team "steals" a prospect away from another team, they did a good job recruiting and the team that he was committed to didn't. its as simple as that. no sour grapes over shaw.
I'll admit it, I grew up in East Lansing so it's hard for me to make fun of MSU fans too much. But they do get delusional at times.
The Ve3st knows what he's doing. You can have the Mario "Aligator arms" Manningham and Shawn "Brain Fart" Crable. We got everyone we wanted, you got what was left. Again.
TX Wolverine - they do, but spending some time around these parts (or any Michigan board) is evidence that Michigan fans are entirely capable of irrational mass-hysteria as well.
I think you have to give credit to Tressel for keeping some of that talent in-state. I would have loved to have Mike Adams wear the winged helmet.
@FartTheVest
What an original thought......you're a fucking genius. How did you end up at such a generic school like OSU with your intellect?
I'm sorry. I think I have a little sand in me somewhere.
"Also, BSD goes ahead and says that PSU is no saint, you guys need to read the whole post before you start bashing his credibility. BSD is one of the very best Big Ten blogs (MGoBlog is as well, obviously) and his opinions, while homerish, are rarely unfair."
His credibility should continue to get bashed. How about this nugger from BSD:
"Predictably, Michigan fans say that's just part of the game these days, but does that justify it? Now Penn State has been known to take a defection or two in their day, but to my knowledge Penn State has never heavily recruited a kid after he verballed to another Big Ten school. Maybe they call them up and ask them if they're sure about their decision, but they don't visit the kid and harass him over the phone every week. It's up to the recruit to contact them first. I'm probably sounding Holier Than Thou, but from what I've read and what I've heard I honestly believe that's how Penn State does business.
Michigan fans can laugh this off for now, but there is a trend beginning to show, and that is that Rich Rodriguez is a man who cannot be trusted. He left West Virginia after publicly stating last year it was his dream job. Now he is stealing recruits from other Big Ten schools throwing the honor of the conference in the trash can. You would think Michigan of all schools would be above going after other schools' players. Isn't the Michigan name as good as it used to be? So you lose a kid. Aren't there 20 other kids wanting his spot?
It's one thing when 18 year old kids go back on their word. It's utterly sad and pathetic when grown men do it. I'm sure Michigan will be winning a lot of football games in the near future. I just hope the Wolverine faithful think giving up your honor is a worthy trade to beat Ohio State."
*sniff*sniff* You smell that? It sounds like fans of a team that's becoming increasingly irrelevant on a national scale and is still clinging to a prehistoric past. It smells like...well, it smells like Michigan before we made the switch to the 21st century. We were the last two schools of our kind - trading in wins for integrity, athleticism for can-do-attitude and elbow grease - and we both struggled mightily because of it while we hung to some farce about our schools 'honor'. Michigan woke up. Penn State and its crybaby fanbase needs to do the same.
Accusing RichRod of throwing the conferences honor in the trash can? Creating a straw man argument about RichRods departure from WVU AGAIN(gee, havent heard that story enough times yet)? Oh yes. BSD absolutely deserves to have their credibility questioned. They're a sore fanbase that cant convince anybody to come to Happy Valley anymore, and now they're accusing Michigan of jumping the shark and labeling RichRod as a snake oil salesman. Got a newsflash for ya, putz: It's ultimately up to these kids to go where they want, and the proof is in the pudding...they didn't want to sign with you. And we d
@chitownblue
Yeah, except our mass hysteria tends to be "OH MY GOD THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!"
We can still keep things in perspective :)
whoa, that was close...
By 'nugger' I meant 'nugget'
Yikes.
aarrrrrgghghhh the sand!
Huss almost went all BlueSeoul on us there.
@Dex
Why the hate? "loosen the tie" begets "get that GED"?
I think we have a degree from the same place, so again, loosen the tie.
He can join BGH, who typed "nig deal" instead of "big deal".
Hate is in my nature.
I'm sorry, guys. I'll apologize to the Rutgers womens team momentarily, meet with Jesse and Al at 3, then check my self into a racial sensitivity clinic.
the thing about shaw and moore and roundtree was that their coach said the ywere looking to go to school together. you know, god forbid any kid wanting to go to school with some of their buddies. its not liek that doesnt happen all the time or anything.
JD - thinking that "tO$U" is stupid doesn't mean that I'm uptight. I'm not, at all, offended by it. It's just not anything approaching funny or clever.
what exactly do you mean by that dex? adding rational but forceful arguments. can't handle that? rather talk about shaq?
dex wrote:
"Hate is in my nature."
It's Lent. An excellent opportunity to "turn a new leaf."
Go Blue!
unintentional racial innuendo is one unfourtunate reality of the digital age
That BSD post from Huss is a big heaping pile of delusion.
By the way, I've kinda avoided the comments section here for a few weeks after the coaching search, given how things have devolved. I have to say, while the comments haven't quite gotten back to the same level they were pre-search, things have gotten MUCH better.
+ 100 to Tim Wayman for the Heavyweights shout out.
"Lunch has been cancelled.. due to lack of hussle."
Is TXWolverine the same guy who used to post on MLive under the same name?
Unintentional racial innuendo and easy access to pornography. It's a double-edged sword.
for lent, im giving up god.
TX - you should have seen signing day. That was terrifyingly awful.
@Seoul
Whoa there. Just a little joke about the racist debate yesterday.
chitownblue 00:
ive thought about that often.
So, JD - how'd that "McGuffie couldn't find money for a fax" thing work out?
PUH-Leez BSD. "Sure PSU has taken a few defections intheir time", but UM calls them and harasses them. I honestly think that this is how PSU operates. how does he know UM didn't just accept a few defections after calling to see if the recruits were sure of their decision? I get so tired of people (M fans included) who operate under the assumption that their school labors under a higher standard of integrity than everyone else, without having any real evidence to back it up othr than their gut instinct and homer viewpoint.
About as tiresome as fans that somehow think that the referess system is out to get their team.
Grow up and be a little objective.
People who are harping on the "ND, Maryland, Pitt aren't in the Big Televen" thing are missing the forest from the trees. BSD is talking about "giving up your honor" which as far as I know isn't a conference-specific commodity. The Morelli thing alone should be enough to keep the PSU fanbase silent on this topic, but what have you.
The greater irony is Tiller, who was getting blackballed by the other Big Televen coaches b/c he regularly did this -- I know he's stolen some d-recruits from Lloyd's good pal Norm Parker, which is part of the mad hate. Ask the Iowa coaches if they have any sympathy for Tiller.
oh, sory
chitown, for a second there I thought that read that I was delusional. I teared up a little bit, man.
BTW, another post from the "credible" folks at BSD about the Shaw situation. Long story short? Shaw and RichRod are exactly the same...they both screwed people over and chased something bigger(at least he kinda admits we're above PSU). Of course, there's a line dropped about RichRod always going after the "bigger buck." Don't these people realize that he can't get any higher than he is now? He cant make it in the NFL. RichRod is going to be in Ann Arbor for a long, long time.
Here it is: http://www.blackshoediaries.com/.../2/7/8557/
78630
faxing aint easy, ill tell you that much. the other day, i was using the copier/printer/fax machine. the woman who used it before me left it on fax mode, loaded with a number. i tried to make soem copies and i ended up faxing 140 pages of quebec tax laws to the air force central contracting office.
Valenti's response to Brian is classic.
He says that Brian is wrong because the State class was 116th instead of 16th und JLS when you take into consideration the suspensions, etc...
Ok, you've sucked forever and not just now. Good point.
The stupid thing about the "Michigan harassed them" argument is this:
Shaw, at any point, could have re-affirmed his commitment to PSU, and Michigan would have been done. Does anyone actually believe that RRod would keep calling Shaw if Shaw said he wasn't interested? Like stalking him would actually be a positive thing?
@BRCE
No, I've never posted on MLive. Heaven forbid.
I could go for some Chicken McNuggers and a chocolate milk shake right about now.
Huss - you're one of the few bastions of sanity around here - I'm not going to turn my claws on you.
"Best of luck to you, Michael Shaw. I'd ask myself "what could have been?" but who knows...perhaps you'll be doing the same in a few short years" = = "ive come to grips with the fact that my favorite program is near extinction. we do have a bunch of sweet white linebackers though"
1. I'm dubious, but not entirely unbelieving, that the particular JLS class Valenti brings up ended up 116th in the country- I mean, that's really awful. Aren't there 117 D1 teams? Did they end up that bad?
2. I'll never cease to be amazed by how homerism in sports reduces otherwise intelligent people into whiny, paranoid, borderline delusional mongloids.
Indeed, chitown.
Trust it, Shaw would have never committed if our coaches were some freaky stalkers who wouldn't leave him alone. Urban Meyer tried that with Stonum, and he wasn't having it. You don't commit to a school because of how often they keep in contact...you commit to the school because you think this is where you want to be for 4 years and this is where I might get a better education and a shot at a championship.
That school for Shaw was Michigan, and not Penn St. Nothing sleazy about it. I'm just glad we had a coach who doesn't adhere to some sort of Skull n Bones bullshit about "leaving Big Ten recruits alone"
If they did end up 116th out of 117, I don't think I would broadcast that to the world.
Amen dex
valenti isnt intelligent. anyone who lets their bias spurn rationality isnt intelligent. (ie: hardcore republicans a nd the christian right wing)
wasnt valenti the guy who flipped shit on the radio after msu blew that game to brady quinn's senior year nd tem?
bgh - yes, that was Valenti. As I said above: Best. Moment. In. Radio. Ever.
big gay heart. Priceless.
I wonder how our black group of 4-star linebackers will matchup with their white group of 4-stars once they all move on. Interesting case study.
BTW, I think that 116th stuff was just for emphasis on Valenti's part. Again, he failed at achieving the desired result.
what game was the valenti 'meltdown' after? all I remember is "MAKE PLAYS!!!"
It was after the ND game, Blue Seoul. I rembmer him saying that the coaching staff just sat there and "puckered", over, and over again.
I dont know if this has been posed, and I apologize in advance if it was, but...
Interesting potentially good news...Garrett Gilbert (a 5-star qb) committed to UT. Why is that good news? Because 5-start dual threat Russell Shepard is less likely to go there. RR and Coach Jackson have already been down there recruiting him, and with our current QB situation, I think this is probably our #1 target for 2009. McGuff the crime dog should go talk to him about UM.
@ chitown
UofM fans can be delusional. But in the grand scheme of things, schools like ND and MSU put us to shame with their delusions.
Oh, and the coaches clinic has been going on since the early days of Bo. Its nothing new, and they would advertise on mgoblue.com too.
and yes, I know it is ridiculous that I am already looking towards the 2009 class (William Campbell is a 5 star!)...
Aaron G,
The 7 on 7 is new. Never done before
oh yeah, now I remember, sparty saving nd from collapse for one extra year. via stanton's christmas presents. good times.
Shephard is definitely on the radar. Word is he's a big UT fan, though, so if we can make it through this weekend without him committing to Texas...we have a shot.
Transcript of Valenti rant. It's not quite the same without hearing how absolutely hysterical he is.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~s...laffj/
rant.html
Huss, yeah...I agree. I dont know if he would want to go in the same class as Gilbert. UT might've also promised Gilbert not to take another qb in this class.
Valenti to MSU's Defensive coordinator:
"I would rather have H.R. Pufnstuf with Teddy Ruxpin as an assistant than to have you in this booth one more week."
\Rich Rod isn't quite the speaker Lloyd was, but he's not bad.//
He's very good with his players, though...and that's more important.
\2 victorious BCS bowls (one of which was not even coached by DickRod) - earned due to membership in the Big [L]east! That's sure to translate to BCS berths elsewhere.//
Hey, Christopher...getting to a BCS bowl isn't that big a deal (Hawai'i proved that last year). But performing well once you crash the party is what it's all about, and WVU's done that both times, once, as you say, without RichRod being there.
I never even got an interview
It's a damn shame. When is Ruxpin finally going to be given a chance?
Does Penn State realize that Greg Schiano, who turned around RUTGERS!, would start tomorrow if they offered him the head coach job?
Penn State is suffering from the rise of other programs. VaTech and WVU cut them off to the south, Rutgers is starting to seal off New Jersey (except to UM), and Michigan has always had a strong presence in Western PA. Their recruiting is suffering and their talent development / utilization of said talent has been atrocious. Morelli was just terrible, painful to watch.
But PSU has amazing white linebackers.
JoePa and Bobby Bowden need to retire before they destroy their programs. At least FSU will always have a ton of talent, but PSU is risking becoming Illinois before the Zooker got there.
i like BSD's claim that RR "used" white and slaton to win games, as opposed to preparing them for the NFL. how dare he send his players out there to win games. and if he's not preparing them for the nfl, that's not his fault - these guys knew what they were signing up for in terms of what offense they're running and how it usually doesn't produce great nfl QB's (slaton i don't think is valid, as he's definitely gonna play in the NFL - just don't know how good he'll be). it's not like the players aren't being coached and trained and that's why they're not in the NFL. if anything it's the system, which still doesn't preclude good RB, WR, TE, and defensive players from being drafted. he's not getting paid by the NFL to run a farm team - he's supposed to win games at the university employing him.
Einstein's theory of relativity is so flawed and misguided that Mike Valenti won't even bother to poke holes in it.
The 7 on 7 is new, but it isn't part of the clinic. The clinic itself, and its format, is an old staple of Michigan football.
I just watched the Boubacar Cissoko NSD interview on rivals, didn't understand a word he said.
I really love all the self-appointed thought police on this board.
They add so much to the dialogue.
@ Daniel
It's painful to watch PSU. I was happy they had a good season 2 years ago (after a horrible season prior to that). But you hit the nail on the head. Pride, Ego, Fear......I don't know what their reason is, but they are killing their teams by hanging on.
I wonder how many alumni, fans, students quietly say to themselves, "Just retire already!"
Just watched the RichRod videos Brian posted.
One thing is painfully obvious: This guy hasn't had sleep since he got here. What tireless recruiters he and his staff are. Imagine flying around the country and wining/dining kids 24/7 for 3 or 4 weeks straight. That's all this staff has done. Take a day off and get some rest, coach. You earned it.
Yeah psu did a great job turning Michael Robinson, referred to by psu fans as the oh-so-original "MRob", into an Nfl QB.... Wait, you mean he is a rb now?
@JD
The Big 10 needs Penn State to be strong. Otherwise it's just OSU and UM.
Valente does have a point in regards to JLS' recruiting classes. Many of those kids never did a damn thing for Sparty. Plus, JLS did a DREADFUL job at recruiting in state. With that being said, the dick slapping that the local sports media did in regards to Dantonio's recruiting class this year was absolutely over the top ridiculous. Had you just taken the articles written by the media hacks at face value and not decided to examine Sparty's recruiting class further, you would of thought that they landed themselves a top 20 class and were making inroads into Michigan's recruiting prowess, which, of course, isn't anywhere close to being the truth.
wow. just read that valenti thing. wow. Gotta give the guy props for caring about his team. but wow. was he suspended for that? or given a vaction for his voice?
This has to be my favorite part.
"Third of all - and this is where I really get upset. Get Chris Smeland out of town. He is the single worst defensive coordinator ever born into this world. This guy is absolutely atrocious. Hey Smeland, here's an idea! You've got your secondary floating around on dinghies - maybe it's not a good idea to bring back-to-back zero blitzes with no safety help. Maybe! Let alone the fact that your stupid-ass blitz packages never get home - ever! Ever! You are the worst defensive coordinator ever! I would rather have H.R. Pufnstuf with Teddy Ruxpin as an assistant than to have you in this booth one more week. You're atrocious! Take your wristbands and stick em! The same communication breakdowns that we have seen since you got here end up costing us another game! Not to mention the fact you put the kids in terrible spots. What are you blitzing like that for?! Have you ever heard of a zone blitz? You know, the same thing that Notre Dame did to Drew, dropping two-deep tackles and getting a pick? Have you ever heard of disguised coverages? How about giving your kids safety help in the middle of a monsoon? Don't leave em on an island!"
Daniel,
Wisky is clearly ahead of PSU, and Illinois has already competed with OSU and UM on a national recruiting level for 2 straight years now. They're gonna keep it going.
We will be in the Rose Bowl this year, Mark my words.
Blue Seoul - he left for the day immediately after the rant (if you listen to it, his voice is slowly degrading to the point of muteness), and didn't come back for like 2 days. No suspension, though.
Wisky's getting sealed off from talent to the south by Illinois, Notre Dame, and now Minnesota. Penn State has some of the best access to talent (PA is talent rich, and is right by New York, Ohio, and New Jersey). Penn State also has tradition and other intangibles that make it possible to be an elite program year in and year out. However, this won't happen unless Schiano gets the job and soon.
newpost?
No - "tickled" is the new "tremendous."
So here is the challenge to the Mich people who think this is all fine and dandy what happened
Can someone cite an example where a recruit verballed to the Big 10 school then was recruited and later signed by another Big 10 school before RichRod this year in the last say 48 hours before LOI day? I'll be waiting...
BSD is cool and has offered solid content for a while now. If anything his posts about Michigan come off as ignorant of specifics about a program he doesn't follow that closely. It seems obvious enough to me that the argument Brian built holds up better. BSD thinks otherwise and there's no reason to hold it against him. It's not like he has an agenda.
Disagreeing with Brian (or being the topic of Brian's post) doesn't mean he deserves to be ripped additionally. Brian makes that clear enough in the posts. Aren't we adult enough to hold the subtle differences between "asshole" and "wrong" in our heads? No? Sigh. It's probably this difference that underlines the changes the comment board has gone under since the coaching change drama.
The modus operandi of PSU conspiracy theorists has always been deviating the direction of your debate to 2 things they think they are better at:
* African American graduation rate.
* Getting cheated at games.
They refuse to believe that PSU can be guilty of the same offense which they accuse other teams of ( OSU, Mich esp).
They also think their coaching staff go about things in the absolute ethical way possible and when other teams do it, they go about unethically. The BSD post is an example. When JoePa tries to do it, he does it with honor and integrity while Rich Rod is a slimy bastard. ( There's no proof. Just assumptions )
This also happens when they discuss recruits. They take the best characteristics of recruits ( the absolute upside ) while discussing them and people come up with how they can play for a National Championship with them.
All I will say is "gentleman's agreements" are only said to exist in golf and when someone gets pissed. Other than that, it's just someone who didn't work hard enough saying "I got screwed". It's one thing to respect another coach or coaches in your league and not stoop to bashing other programs but just to give your case as to why a kid would be good for your program is completely legit. Wasn't Justin King a UM commit? I don't remember how it went down, but I remember him being on board for awhile.
What's up with this whole Michigan has no wideouts deal the recruits keep talking about? I'm guessing Mathews/Hemingway/Clemons don't count?
RR only won one BCS game, he didn't coach the other one. He lost just about every other big game he coached at WVU with his legacy being an embarassing loss to Pitt.
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