"Wisconsin is retiring Ron Dayne's number this weekend... couldn't Wisconsin have retired Dayne's number against a team he actually performed against?"
You bring up a good point. This would probably explain why Michigan hasn't had similar ceremonies at bowl games
Hart was so effing good in that MSU game. He was at 60% at best and he absolutely torched the Spartans that day. His TD run was a thing of beauty.
Oh man, that BHGP post, specifically our bowl game and Brian's reaction, just about made me wet myself. Depressing yet hilarious
The Henne to Avant fade was unstoppable. Man was Avant underrated.
In a perfect world ASU and Oregon win out w/ Oregan playing for the NC and we get ASU in the Rose Bowl. Erickson may drive his golf cart into a volcano, but I don't think we will be able to give El Presidente Carpenter the ability to run the zone spread. Please help us, Baby Jesus, if we have to play WVU or even worse, Oregon again.
Seriously, how much luster would it take off 10 straight wins including one against OSU if we had to play Oregon again in the Rose Bowl? We may have shored up some things on defense, but they have proven that our game was no fluke. It is like the spirit of Troy Smith has entered Dixon and all he sees every game is a sea of winged helmets.
Good ol' "Anthony" Avant. Also a certified MSU killer. (See, e.g., corner fade TD catch in first overtime, 2004.)
Avant = Manningham. That catch looked freakishly similar. Except it wasn't at night, and their numbers are different, etc.
And, for so much hate, their seemed to be some handshaking going on there.
Between Braylon's first TD catch in 2004, Braylon's second TD catch, Avant's fade TD catch in the corner, Avant's 2005 TD catch, Manningham's 2007 first-half TD catch, and Manningham's second TD catch, that right corner of the end zone has been a dagger in the heart of the Spartans. These are just the ones I remember; it's pretty significant that that many important TD catches have been made in the same spot by the same means.
Also, heart aflutters at Hart's first play from scrimmage being a 60 yard run where he gets right up and screams at the MSU bench. And Sparty still claims they'd never ever want him on their team.
I kind of have a soft spot in my heart for the 2005 team. They lost a lot of heartbreakers but also showed a lot of resolve in beating Sparty and Iowa in OT and crushing Penn State's dream season. It's hard to believe that they actually went in to the OSU game with a shot at winning the Big 10 title. Amazingly, Carr's last 11 teams (including this one) have went into the OSU game with a shot at winning the Big 10. That's pretty impressive.
LOL re Anthony Avant.
Ohmigod if we played WVU in a bowl game I would gouge my eyes out before kickoff. Maybe puncture my ears also.
I, for one, would be completely fine playing West Virginia in a bowl game, because that means we beat Ohio State. Hell, I would set myself on fire TODAY if it means we beat them. I have a can of gas. I await the incontrovertible guarantee.
I'm with JeremyB. Given the choice between beating OSU and getting throttled in a bowl game or losing to OSU and beating a sub-par team in the nee-Citrus Bowl, I'll choose the former. (Caveat: Unless the nee-Citrus Bowl is Florida, in which case I'd be legitimately torn.)
They're also running the Michigan vs tOSU blood battle out here on the west coast too.
Reading the Jimmy King article lead me to the Jalen Rose billboard thing. First time I've heard about it. A Google search led me to quite a few sites buzzing about it. Here's the only site I found with a pic of the billboard.
http://www.deuceofdavenport.com/...0/time-
out.html
Shame Jalen didn't buy a board around A2. I hope Beilein can be a bridge to mending the relationship with the F5 players and the university.
Re: Blood Battle, from 1995-2003 (and in 1994), the winner of the battle lost the game. OSU has won both since 2004. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is proof. We HAVE to beat them in the blood battle this year.
Think of how awesome it would be if Michigan could beat OSU and then somehow beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl. It would be the perfect way for Lloyd to go out, exorcising years worth of demons in 2 games - beating OSU and then a Pac 10 spread option team with a mobile quarterback in the Rose Bowl.
That would be the dream scenario. Sigh.
PT, that's only half the dream scenario. The other half is a layover in Boone, NC, on the way back from Pasadena, during which time Lloyd burns ASU's stadium to the ground and pisses on the ashes.
I watched an NFL game with Peko (long haired freak) in it. I kept remembering that ridiculous 'fumble.' That has got to be the worst 'reviewed' call I've ever seen. For the life of me, I still cannot figure out what the refs were thinking.
Poor Jason, history will remember him as Anthony Avant because of youtube.
Skip Bayless is preaching Todd Boeckman for Heisman.
Skip even Gino Torretta, Ty Detmer, and Andre Ware think that's BS.
Hypothetical, If(big), those luckeyes win out and play in a supposed "NC game" against LSU and by Hades they beat your beloved Les Miles. Do you still want him to coach your team?
BTW= I think its funny that you stole your Uniforms (winged helmets) from Princeton and at one time Ohio State had worn their colors (orange and black).
"BTW= I think its funny that you stole your Uniforms (winged helmets) from Princeton and at one time Ohio State had worn their colors (orange and black)."
The Hell?
That's the first I've heard of that. Can anybody address the Princeton accusation?
I was at the premiere last night and thought it was pretty slanted towards the tOSU side of the rivalry. Any thoughts?
ok, clarification....
i certainly would love to play WVU in the sense that it means we beat OSU
but by 12/31 that joy would be on the wane while my knees started quaking and i fell into convulsions at the sight of pat white videos
didn't fritz, who introduced the helmets (right?), use them first at princeton? so it's not so much M stole the helmet, as much as M stole the coach.
Fritz Crisler first debuted the winged helmet at Princeton University in 1935. When Crisler was hired by the University of Michigan he brought the new helmet style with him.
"Crisler had introduced a helmet at Princeton in 1935 that should look remarkably familiar to Wolverine fans. The winged design simply took advantage of features of a helmet the Spalding sporting goods company and advertised in the 1937 edition the Official Intercollegiate Football Guide. Crisler's 1938 innovation at Michigan was to paint the helmet maize and blue."
http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept...met/
mhelmet.htm
I was at the screening, too. At the time, I felt that it was more OSU... what with the portions on Earle Bruce, Cooper and Tressel.. and nothing on Lloyd and Moeller. But then, I remembered they did a segment on Michigna guys from Ohio and whatnot. So, I thought it was semi-balanced.
Le Duex...that's weak and I have no idea where it came from. Furthermore, we didn't steal them...Fritz Crisler created the Winged Helmet while he was at Princeton and and brought it with him when he was hired at Michigan 3 years later. At that time Princeton ceased using it. So I'm not sure why you even brought that up...but it was weak...and uninformed.
I cannot believe that no one has mentinoed that play. Is that not freaking hilarious or what? Count me in!
Welp, looks like that was covered before I got to it. Nice job, all!
Here's why polls, etc. suck.
If (when) Michigan wins out, we will have won the big ten outright and yet osu would be ranked ahead of us.
How can you justify polls superceeding results on the field.
Brian's double-equals betrays knowledge of the C family.
Not only will Michigan NOT beat OSU, but the mighty skunkbears will lose to the Badgers this weekend.
Enjoy 8-5, with a loss to Florida in the Citrus.
hahaha. that bowl projection guy has 7-3 wisconsin and 8-2 michigan finishing at 9-3 and 10-2 respectively. Uhhhh... cant happen since they kinda play eachother
Not only will Michigan NOT beat OSU, but the mighty skunkbears will lose to the Badgers this weekend.
Enjoy 8-5, with a loss to Florida in the Citrus.
Enjoy watching Dantonio's speech at the Spartan Football Banquet. 5-7 is shorter than Mike Hart.
This continued effort to make Les Miles seem smarter than he is makes me queasy. Seriously. The dude is positively Cro-Magnon. There's like 8 coaches in the SEC I'd hire before him.....
Sure. The numbers say penalties are good. But that really depends on the kind and the type you like to rack up.
Illinois / Sparty 4th quarter personal fouls that keep drives alive? Those are not good. And those are the kind that LSU is racking up this year.
IMHO if it's a tradition hand-off to a Michigan Man, it's English's job. And I'm pretty sure that dude can recruit and he can coach.
If Les has any shot, it means there is a national search on. Which means many more qualified candidates will reveal themselves... figures of tact and decorum and strategy like Tedford.
Tedford has decorum? The same Tedford that threw a temper tantrum on the sideline when his 19 year old frosh QB made a bonehead play to lose a game?
I disagree. I would take "Let 'em rip" Miles or Tedford anyday.
Of course you know that this may all be irrelevant if Lloyd decides to return for one more year (which I do not think that he will).
bo's corpse on a string.
we'll win 10 titles in 8 years.
hahaha. that bowl projection guy has 7-3 wisconsin and 8-2 michigan finishing at 9-3 and 10-2 respectively. Uhhhh... cant happen since they kinda play eachother
Wins for everybody, Nicholas! We value generosity over accuracy. Call it the Chris Rix Principle.
The article has been updated as such.
Re: Miles
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21536408/
with this interesting nugget, among others (involving what must have been post-cyst recruiting)...
"The dominos will start to fall as long and [sic] Miles can go to Michigan. Of course, the ghost of Bo Schembechler could haunt him and hold up that domino. In Jan. 2006, Jai Eugene, a gifted defensive back from St. Rose, La., committed to Michigan on national television. A week later, Miles the Michigan Man turned Eugene back to LSU prompting a temper tantrum from Schembechler. The legendary coach, who died in 2006, called Miles from the UM football office and blasted his former assistant coach for not honoring Eugene’s commitment to Michigan. He told Miles it was not the way a Michigan Man would behave and then he hung up on Miles. When Jim Harbaugh’s people start burning the phone lines to lobby him for the job, or Carr tries to rally support for defensive coordinator Ron English, they could all say, “You know, Bo, didn’t like Miles.”
Good find RHammer.
For what it's worth, Eugene hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire down in Baton Rouge. During the Kentucky game the CBS commentators were absolutely killing his play, saying Woodson should throw to Eugene's side of the field on every play.
Who could forget the critically acclaimed Michigan Repertory production of "Lot: THE MUSICAL!" in 2001, featuring John Navarre as the pillar of salt?
OMGBHGPFTW
Let it be known that a few years ago (1998), Princeton returned to its Fritz Crisler roots by re-introducing the winged helmet as part of its football uniforms.
http://www.goprincetontigers.com...&
ATCLID=1301770
the Helmet Project is also a great resource for former helmet designs:
http://www.nationalchamps.net/He...Helmet_Project/
If we play WVU, do we just give them the ugly women that Oregon didn't take when they rode out of town. God, that match up would be something I would hate with a passion.
good comment thread so far btw
Just seeing that Antonio Bass run made me cringe with sadness...Oh what could have been. Probably the best athlete we've recruited, maybe ever. What a shame.
That wasn't a cyst; it was the balls in Les's head growing too large to fit in his skull. The doctors had to, like, drain them of macho awesome juice or something to make them go down. And they have to do it every few years.
The screening of The Rivalry last night was pretty good. Toward the end, they did show lots of tOSU, but I didn't think it was so bad because they showed what a bunch of retarded goofballs they are, mostly. I also liked that Woody Hayes was accurately shown as a fucking psycho. And yet revered by those loons down south.
Two big ommissions though: No Ufer (though his voice did "appear" in the film) and, unless I missed it, no mention whatsoever of Anthony Carter (and/or the No. 1 tradition).
"Tedford has decorum? The same Tedford that threw a temper tantrum on the sideline when his 19 year old frosh QB made a bonehead play to lose a game?"
I wouldn't take one flicker of anger - during an excruciating loss - as evidence of Tedford's disposition. I would prefer to look at how he built up a dormant program into something respectable.
Great website re: the history of the winged UM helmet. I've known a few diehard UM fans that have no affiliation with the school or state whatsoever--they just loved the helmets as little kids and have followed the team ever since. And it's funny how every year we get a few recruits for precisely the same reason: Hart, Schilling, etc.
I would be ok with playing WVU in the Rose, although I don't think the Rose Bowl committee would select them as the at-large (assuming Oregon is in the MNC game). Sugar would get first crack (if LSU is #1) and could take WVU as its first at-large pick anyway. Closer for the mountain-folk, who have little west coast and national appeal, to travel. If ASU wins out, you could see Michigan play the Sun Devils. That would be interesting.
On WVU, though, I would fear them FAR less than an Oregon rematch. Slaton and White have been known to disappear in big games against good defenses. Assuming Michigan has a "good" defense, well you know...
"Enjoy watching Dantonio's speech at the Spartan Football Banquet. 5-7 is shorter than Mike Hart."
Zing! Man, Jeff, I thought *I* was bitchy....
Agree about Bass. Watching him on highlights makes me sad. Hell, it also makes me think "it's only been 2 years?" Seems like a decade ago when we were bringing him in for the ISQD.
"I've known a few diehard UM fans that have no affiliation with the school or state whatsoever--they just loved the helmets as little kids and have followed the team ever since."
Whew, go me!
I guess I'm still one of the only Carr supporters out there. My premise is he is the right person for Michigan and he get's results on the field. In a sport where there is typically only one undefeated team per season (if that) the losses are enevitable and you don't plan for them but you accept them as a reality and judge on overall records and accomplishments. That said, Lloyd doesn't deserve to be forced into retirement any more than Joe Pa or Bobby Bowden. What's worse is that you also never know what you are going to get when you shell out big dollars for a new coach.. Ask Notre Dame and Nebraska. That said he is constantly criticized for playcalling that is conservative. However, he doesn't call the plays.
As for last weeks game, come on. He gets no credit for calling the deep bombs that left Mario wide open. I am disappointed Henne didn't hit him, but really those are execution errors rather than bad playcalling.
Some criticism of playcalling is warranted but I dont' think are play calling is that different than any of the top programs in the country it is more a matter of execution.
Let's as Michigan fans support Lloyd to the fullest until he decides to retire and stop focusing on Les Miles who as far as I'm concerned is certainly not a step up from Lloyd until he proves it on the field.
RHammer (SNRE '98) - Bo and Miles patched things up before Bo died.
Mon-L the Magnificent - Tedford isn't coming. Miles is far and away the most qualified candidate whom we have a realistic chance at getting.
I am a Carr supporter also. FWIW.
wow, i think WolverRoudy could be LC himself.
"I dont' think are play calling is that different than any of the top programs in the country it is more a matter of execution"
Execution is nearly impossible when the other team knows the play is coming. (see: zone left on 1st and 10)
"That wasn't a cyst; it was the balls in Les's head growing too large to fit in his skull. The doctors had to, like, drain them of macho awesome juice or something to make them go down. And they have to do it every few years."
That's the real truth behind the rumor of Miles buying a house in Ann Arbor. Les has to come here periodically for treatments at the Center for Cranial Ball Juice Draining at UM Hospital. The treatments are very tough, and he needs a local place to recuperate in before he goes back down to Baton Rouge.
I'd love to see us play WVU... it would be a great game with lots of big plays. It would not be in the Rose Bowl, though. The RB people have a strong preference for PAC10 teams if they can get one that's good enough. Between ASU and Oregon, that won't be hard.
I live in WV and am a known Michigan alumnus. I fear a matchup with WVU. At least with OSU, there's always next year.
Sorry, but no clip reel of the 2005 game is complete without Hero Drew dancing in front of the Spartan student section before suffering yet another humiliating loss to the University of Puke.
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