Fantastic
just keeps getting better..
Got the coordinates for the Michigan Athletic Department? Got an extra cruse missle that needs programming.
Something still isn't adding up here. I'm going to kill a kitten here, but it is as if we are shooting ourselves in the foot in order to settle for a DeBord. I'd rather have English, but I still think we can do better.
Lmao....wow thats some educated bullshit excuse. I like that!!!!!!!!!!!
Case in point above of why a no comment would have been better.
I suspect "USS Ron Rnglish" has already sailed as well.
Is anyone else starting to come to the realization that Miles didn't actually want to come to AA? He knew that UM wanted him and was going to talk to him after the SEC title game, yet he agrees to re-up with LSU before the game? Come on.
Serious question:
Does Martin not know that his entire legacy as AD is on the line w/ this hire?
God, I have to break my addiction to these threads today.
Someone seriously needs to pull BM aside in the Athletic Department and tell him, very politely, that he's making himself look like a douche and embarrassing the university.
Christ, it would have been better for him just to say that Michigan had decided to go in a different direction than Miles and knew as much on Saturday when the agent called.
You know, that song ultimately ends up with aliens taking off into outer space. Maybe Bill Martin is an evil android from the planet Zorg, sent back in time to earth to keep Michigan football from taking over the galaxy in the year 2057 because it pissed off the Galactic Ruler, Tressel-ZX1.
ok guys, heres the deal. We may not get Les Miles, but we also very well still may. BM is a smart guy, i have spoken and listened to him personally. He loves michigan and will bring the best possible candidate here....aka Les Miles. If not, it will be because of Les and no one else.
This is not over and done with. BM is like a fox hiding in the weeds waiting to pounce.
Mark my words....and if i am right I want to hear you all tell me I am right. If not I will tell u all that too....but this ordeal with Les is not done with and we will end up with MY #1 choice and many of yours too, Mr. Firecracker, "My team is damn good" Les Miles.
Please, Brian...going over this publically is like being pantsed in front of the hottest chick in school...only you've just gotten out of the swimming pool and you've got a George Costanza-sized case of "shrinkage" going on.
Okay, so it's painfully obvious Martin/Carr didn't want Miles. Got it. Don't agree with it! But got it.
But did Bloyd Carrtin anticipate the diarrhea hurricane that snubbing the Wolverine Coaching Superstar would cause????
And will anyone in their right mind want to step into this postion, realizing they have a hostile "show me NOW" fanbase all worked up???
This is so fucking bad.
MichiganStudent-
I hope you are right, and if you are I will kindly oblige to your request!
BM is a very polite and naive fox who cannot use a treo...
I am trying to stay on the side that he is not coming but I can't make myself stay over there lol. I need to stop holding out hope, someone yell at me!
What a load of crap. Miles agent said publicly he didn't expect to hear from Michigan until Sunday. Miles and his agent put a gun to Michigan's head for no damn reason except to leverage one or the other for the best deal. All while LSU's biggest game of the year awaited.
What you all see in a man who displays that kind of character and has that set of priorities is beyond me.
Michigan Student:
Unless you are currently Bill Martin's intern with access to his malfunctioning Blackberry, please pull yourself out of the land of pop songs and make believe.
That, or give up how you have this supposed "knowledge." I've talked to Bill Martin, too, and he didn't seem omnipotent to me.
Plan Fuck Up Miles Hire.
Complete.
Everything was coordinated, from the retirement announcement to the request for permission to the sailing trip to the "3-4 candidates" comment on Sunday.
We are bush league.
Munch Munch Munch...Martin's Out To Lunch!!!
Munch Munch Munch...Martin's Out To Lunch!!!
Munch Munch Munch...Martin's Out To Lunch!!!
Munch Munch Munch...Martin's Out To Lunch!!!
Any analogy that compares BM to a fox loses all credibility unless the fox is in someway retarded or druck/high... And really stupid. Like Bill Martin.
I meant "drunk"
allmanski:
I'd like you to attend one of our tailgates at the Stadium next year. Unless I've sold my season tickets after Brady Hoke's been hired, that is.
We all need to chill, seriously. I am pissed and am trying to relax because it shouldnt be goign down this way...but you know what? IT IS! It looks grim, it looks bad, but beleive me stranger things have happened and will happen in the future.
Basically Michigan is working in silence on this search, giving open ended and non descriptive answers. We have a list of 20...which means what?
ABSOLUTLY NOTHING. BM is being secretive, becuase he should be. Its better than being very public and letting us retarted public ruin it. AKA ESPN and Kirk Herby. So just let it run its course.
BM is smart and I trust him, he has kept this university in great standing for a number of years...and if you all didnt know, he doesnt get paid. He has 0 salary. His parking spot he changes throughout the office to different people each week. He is Mr. Michigan and he will bring in a great guy...my guess is still Les Miles.
what was the worst thing that couldve happened if martin hired miles....this is such an obvious hire that even if it didn't work out, you could've never blamed martin for it
MDan-
In case you didn't see it. I requested in the previous thread that you write a new editorial on the situation with regards to the Martin interview. I like your insight. Go for it!
what's worse of course is that martin HAD been in contact with miles' representative before sunday. we know that.
Serious question:
Has there ever been another case were a university was trying to pluck another major university's head coach away on the eve of a conference and/or national championship game? I know it happens all the time with assistants - but this should be different.
Let's say the shoe were on the other foot - how would you react if they were coming after your guy?!?
I don't blame Martin for dodging this land mine at all. Even if it does mean avoiding a call or two. Is Miles really worth blowing up your university's reputation over???
DCBlue... yea I'd love to come to a tailgate as long as I can burn bill martin in effigy and cry myself to sleep in a corner... who am I kidding... I'm just going to cry
DCBlue,
Brady Hoke is at least going to a bowl game. The closest Debord got to a bowl game as a head coach involve bags of tostitos he munches on as he draws up the game plan on crayons.
I believe we have finally opened up the soft underbelly of Michigan Athletics all the way. At his retirement conference, Carr stated that the next head coach would be one who, paraphrasing, is committed to winning with integrity. I believe we now know which is more important to the people in charge. Integrity, to a fault. College athletics should have integrity, and that should not be sacrificed, but at some point, when you want 250 million dollar stadium renovations, and 28 million dollar facilities, fees for the right to buy season tickets, fees to be on the waiting list for season tickets, and to put your product on its own network, YOU HAVE PLAY TO WIN.
Further, it is growing increasingly troubling that he was in FLA with "donors." He was in NY the other night "raising money with donors." Is the need for money for the staduim renovations impacting the coaching search negatively? If so, than Martin needs to become an associate athletic director, and someone with an appreciation for the athletic side needs to be in charge.
VERY Concerning.
\blowing up your university's reputation//
I guess it's all about perspective...I had pretty much conceded Michigan's reputation to the dustbin of history with the loss to App State.
Golden Grizzly:
We live in the world of 20 second soundbites that no one remembers after 2 minutes. If you see something you want, you go after it, especially when the agent calls YOU for christ sake.
If Martin didn't want Miles, fine, just say that and give your reasons. But his excuses just make him look like he's retarded.
Ben From SF-
THAT was funny, can you picture it, I can.
DC Blue- He is a very intelligent man. He knows what he is doing. That is all i am saying. Quit getting pissed. I have been down that road and all it does is just ruin your mood and day. This will pan out. At least I hope. I have faith and I think you should too.
And to be honest we all know fuck all about the inner workings of this search. Unless you are BM, LM, MSC or any other person on the search committe then you dont know what is really going on. OKAY? GOOD!
All of the press and statements mean jack shit to me. Its just a ploy to keep things PC for now and do it the "right way...
One of the biggest days of the decade for this program and the effing AD decides to go on a freaking boat ride! WTF?
Dude, you're filthy rich. You don't even get paid for the AD job. If you don't want to do the work then give up the position to someone else.
At the beginning of this search I thought the goal was to improve the team. Apparently, that wasn't even a priority. Apalling.
Brian,
you're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors by getting consistently really worked up about things when no one actually knows what happened or is happening. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and let things take their course.
no, zoltan is emperor of space, he would not allow it
DC Blue,
So what you're saying is that contracts in college sports should no longer be respected by someone else. Hey if you want something, go after it - consequences be damned?
Is that really where we want to be - where no one respects anyone else and coaches just jump willy-nilly as the wind blows?
Screw the kids, screw the donors, and screw the university?
@ Golden Grizzly
Talk to Nick Saban.
Again -
BM's exuses on MLive are crap. Their publicly acknowledged candidate list is crap. This whole process reeks of amateurism. Things should have been worked out by and large before this point (they should have known who is and isn't available/possible before Lloyd's announcement - so that they would be in the position to make a rapid succession of interviews and a timely hire)
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I can't blame Miles. He has a good thing going there - SEC and thereby NC level contender. Why the hell would he risk losing his players (which would have been potentially for good, not just this season) for nothing guaranteed - much less something that has been admitted hasn't even been offered to the slightest degree...?
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One thing is guaranteed. Making the wrong decision here (making a bad choice) could be suicide for the program. This isn't the old days. While it is true that UM still has some clout due to the name (like the OUs, the Miami's, etc) if anything has been shown time and again, it is that due to the new parity in CFB, regardless of name, if you aren't moving forward it, is easy to slip back, and easy to quickly be rendered irrelevant (see Nebraska, FSU etc).
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My main issue isn't Miles himself (although I admit I like him the most) - it is the apparent incompetence of the way this whole thing is being handled. It is giving M an even bigger air of incompetence nationally than all the recent RB losses and OSU losses combined...
My point exactly Ben. My point exactly.
Golden Grizzly:
What I'm saying is that MICHIGAN agreed not to contact Miles until after the SEC Championship. All bets are off when MILES contacts Michigan. Further, LSU itself had NO PROBLEMS with Michigan talking to Miles' agent. Martin, most likely while wearing a really ugly sailing jacket and holding a supposedly malfunctioning blackberry, decided not to call the agent.
Christ. This is Martin's own fucking version of the events.
@ Griese4MVP - "At the beginning of this search I thought the goal was to improve the team."
Unfortunately, I got the feeling at the beginning of the search the goal was to maintain the status quo.
I really think everyone should read Yost on all of this:
http://michiganzone.blogspot.com...higan-
fans.html
This whole exchange reminds me of the immortal words of Michael Jordan.
When told that there was no "I" in team, he responded, "Yeah, but there is in win." There was abso-fucking-lutely nothing unethical about Martin talking to Miles' agent on Saturday, or earlier.
Can you add a "hate" tag to all of the posts detailing the foul-ups of Bill Martin a.k.a. Mr. Magoo? I was disappointed by losing out on Miles. I wish we would have had a better season this year for Henne, Long, Hart and Lloyd. But man, at least these people tried. Physical mistakes can be forgiven, mental mistakes cannot. Thus, Bill Martin stirs up hate in my heart. Can we document this? Thanks.
Come on DC. Contact is contact, no matter who initiates it!
As for LSU talking with him - he was under contract to them!!! They can talk any time they want without anyone's permission!! Miles was not a free agent here - he was/is LSU's "property"! So of course there is no problem with conversations! That is the point - Michigan is the outsider in this whole deal.
@MillerTime-we're talking about the same Bill Martin that conducted a flawless BBall search like 6 months ago, right? The way people are willing to kill the guy without even knowing what's going on is just mind-boggling.
Great. A rich yuppy screws up the hiring process because he'd rather be out of touch on his luxury yacht than taking care of business. What a slacker.
Still, this seems odd to me. This summer I canoed the Boundary Waters by myself for a week and was well out of cell phone range. Renting a satellite phone was only a few dollars a day. I didn't use it since I only got it for emergencies, but I have to assume that anyone who can afford a luxury yacht can afford one of these. You know, in addition to the two-way VHF radios that are already on most yachts. Even a powerful CB radio would do the trick wonderfully.
If I were this irresponsible at my job I'd be canned instantly.
Golden - to politely disagree..
"So what you're saying is that contracts in college sports should no longer be respected by someone else."
How many coaches aren't under contract?
The contract serves only between the coach and the university for as long as they both agree to work together. Coaches can be fired or resign at any time.
You missed my point completely, Golden Grizzly. LSU had not problems with Michigan talking to Miles' agent -- AD Bertman said as much in the Detroit News article over a week ago. Spicy BM didn't read the article, as reference in his MLive interview. Apparently, he was too busy using the rotary dial phone on his sailboat at the time to call Blackberry customer service.
I believe Martin- and what we know the most about him is his basketball hire- will end up with a wise hire. Second, it is not inconceivable that LSU put their gun to Miles' head and said, "do you want to stay here or be unemployed?"
Carr, most believe, does not like Miles. Martin may or he may not. However, Martin had to look as if he was going after Miles even if he had no intention of landing him. When the gun was put to Miles' head and he had no guarantee or even offer from Michigan, Miles did the smart thing.
I believe Martin was looking another direction than Miles the entire time, but for PR felt compelled to put feelers out. Martin made a GREAT [at this point] hire with Beilein, and being a shrewd individual, it is hard to comprehend that this search- which is being conducted in private, BTW, so it makes sense that ALL of us know next to nothing- will end in a similar matter.
The sky is not falling.
can you really blame him?
Let's say LSU did hold a gun to his head. If Michigan was really his dream, the takes the risk of being fired and paid off by LSU.
It's not like the rest of us - by now he could not work a day for the rest of his life and be completely taken care of.
I get what you are saying DC - but there are now two versions of the Martin/Bertman conversation out there. I don't know which to believe, but I do know that Martin believes that talking to the agent = contact with the coach. It's hard to disagree because of what happened in this situation- had Bass provided the info from Martin to Miles, it would have interfered with his negotiations with LSU before the SEC Championship game.
Something that was requested by LSU not to happen.
I must agree. It's possible that Martin screwed up but I would bet against that scenario every time. This is not a "rich yuppy" as someone said. This guy is smart, well respected, loves Michigan and is a tireless worker. His whole career demonstrates that. I am disappointed missing out on Miles like most are but to assume that it happened due to Martin's incompetence is something I cannot accept without great evidence to the contrary (which we do not have).
chengelis was just on espn. with 0 credible information that means anything... martin 20 candidate, we know none, she doesnt think ferentz has been contacted, hoke had a conversation but no interview, debord/english have been interviewed, 15% chance miles still comes (ppl inside supposedly pushing for miles)
nothing.
whoops. can you really blame him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...h?
v=vqfz1l9s6k0
does this mean he's not coming?
Martin is supposed to be a businessman?
Any large corporation uses a headhunter/search firm to negotiate a major hire(CEO, CFO, Etc) while allowing the candidate to maintain their current standing, to do the "legwork" behind the scenes, and to prevent any fallout for the candidate with their current leadership...
Martin has never heard of this or thought of this approach?
This is ridiculous...
Why don't poeple understand, including whoever that clown is over on Michiganzone, that the process was designed by Michigan to fail?
No one is angry for Martin for honoring his word. We are angry that he has repeated set this up to fail. Clearly pursuing an agenda that including pretending to woo Miles while making it near impossible to actually get him, Martin turned this process into a clusterfuck.
That guy is an idiot.
Next Bill Martin is going to go on the record and say "the canvas (me) can do miracles...just you wait and see...believe me."
A little birdie told me that BM contacted Urban Meyer's agent today.
that is all
@MDan-
I actually am more annoyed that he went on record and said "Yeah I got the message and chose not to call back" a simple no comment would have been better than that. To me, that makes him sound idiotic.
MDan-
Because any process that ends up with Les Miles not being the coach is by definition not a failure.
My father (who lives in rural Michigan) just called me to talk about BM's press conference. My dad's quote: "His mouth was running like the clapper on a goose's ass in blueberry season." I'm not sure what the fuck that means, but I laughed my ass off over it.
This is the same man who warned me about Michigan football: "They never fail to disappoint." Prophetic, given the current state of things.
AAB:
Looking at the Tressel and Carroll hirings make me even more - not less - angry.
Do you remember those searches? Because I do, and it was clear, that while frustrating for them that they didn't get their man, that they had a PLAN.
I refuse to believe this crap about "Martin has his process and is keeping it under the radar". We have seen nothing to indicate this. True, we aren't in his office, we don't know whats going on, but has anyone seen anything that would make them think they have gone to #2,3,4 or 5 of their fabled "list of 20"?
Because that's what happened when OSU and USC - hell even ND didn't get their first choices - BAM on to the next one, even as they were raked over the coals by the media.
How do we know that Martin hasn't contacted #s 2-5? Well, aside from the fact that he basically said so himself earlier this week, in today's world of flight tracking and "sources" there haven't even been FAKE sources let alone any real ones .
When anyone can basically find out what the President of the United States (or Mangino) has for lunch on any given day, I find it hard to believe that a guy who couldnt hide the fact that he was on a freaking sail boat, can hide that he is talking to any candidates.
Unlike Martin's boat, this coaching search is clearly rudderless.
AD -
You are cruel. Stop toying with my emotions.
martin should just shut up and not hire a coach at all. it would make him look a lot better than he does now...
@ sardonic and AAB re: the sky not falling.
I am not in a total panic, but in this year's version of musical coaching chairs, if M does not settle on one soon, other good prospects will either be snapped up (Pellini at Neb, etc.) or recommitted (Miles).
The fear is that the longer the process is drawn out, the greater the likelyhood that M is standing alone when the music stops. And you know what that means.
Introducing the nest Head Coach for the University of Michigan...Mike Debord.
As I said earlier, I got the feeling at the beginning of the search the goal was to maintain the status quo. Carr and Martin have said as much.
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I love the argument that "Hey, USC and OSU didn't get their first choices, and look how that worked out!" You know who else didn't get their first choice? Notre Dame. How's that working out? Besides, tOSU was choosing between Tressel and Glen Mason. The fact that Mason might have been their first choice speaks volumes. (And doesn't the idea of hiring Ferentz seem a lot like OSU chasing Mason?)
Their goal was to have Lloyd hand the ball off to Debord or English, my guess, and it may very well happen. however, replace Lloyd with Mallett and Debord with anyone, and well, FUMBLE!
"If Michigan was really his dream, the takes the risk of being fired and paid off by LSU.
It's not like the rest of us - by now he could not work a day for the rest of his life and be completely taken care of."
Are you freaking kidding me?
"I will quit or risk promised firing from my great job which has me in contention every year for the SEC championship and therefore the NC, to put my application in the mail and hope for a reply."
This truly is the perfect storm, simply because of the position LSU is in as far as the national championship goes and because of Miles professed love of Michigan.
If LSU was 9-3 and playing in the Capital One bowl, this would have all been over completely by now.
Not enough people are putting enough weight in to the fact that this is uncharted territory as far as possibly trying to get a head coach away from a school that is performing better than you are at this time of year.
I don't see how this thing could have worked out favorably for everyone given the current circumstances.
As for the timing of Carr's retirement - he announced it privately in September for pete's sake! How could he know then what the situation was going to be now!?!
For those of you still defending Martin, Carr, MarySue...
Name someone who is a better candidate than Les Miles.
Use these 5 parameters:
1. Winning %
2. Ability to bring in quality assistants
3. Recruiting
4. Salary
5. Alumni Relations
In my opinion, Les Miles is the #1 candidate, and no one else comes even close. Hence my anger...
This is tiring..
Is there a chance that there may be something out there about Miles that only Martin, and a select few others, only know about. It's starting to get all too obvious by this point that Michigan has had very little interest in this guy.
Is there a thought from anyone out there that, the more of this story that comes out, the more we will be very grateful for not hiring him?
@Nblue
no one knew what was going on with the basketball search until it was basically finished. It was a masterful job of keeping things under the radar. Given that precedent, it seems unwise to me to assume that nothing organized is going on simply because we don't see any outward signs of it.
Then again, my opinion is impossibly colored by my relief that Miles won't be the coach. To me this process is a success so far just for that reason, so I realize I'm not coming at this from the most unbiased prospective ever.
Apparently some visitors have missed the whole point of internet blogging.
It lets everyone (regardless of stature, intelligence, working for a newspaper, etc.) say WHATEVER THEY WANT without interruption.
You can read it. You can ignore it. You can reply. You don't have to reply.
That's why anyone should be here. If you're not comfortable with that --- go back to reading all that "information" in the main stream media or turn on ESPN.
And, it you can't take criticism FUCK OFF -- YOU DON'T BELONG HERE.
After all, the criticism is anonymous. No one knows the real identity of all of US ASSHOLES (MYSELF INCLUDED).
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Well said, Ben.
Blue Durham,
Can you imagine the shit storm if Debord is introduced as the HC?
"This truly is the perfect storm, simply because of the position LSU is in as far as the national championship goes and because of Miles professed love of Michigan.
If LSU was 9-3 and playing in the Capital One bowl, this would have all been over completely by now"
Agreed on this point however. My lone hope is that this is all BM biding time until after the NC. Any other explanation for the apparent incompetence is staggering.
No, I'm not kidding 97Alum.
This is probably it for a chance for Miles to be HC at Michigan. If it was truly his dream, he had to take a chance. But if he's just as happy at LSU, so be it. Looks like we know what his answer is.
@Ben
I'm not sure "winning percentage" is the best metric when talking about a coach at a program like LSU.
That's like saying Ozzie Guillen must be a good coach because he won a world series.
Hey, I spilled OJ on my blackberry last night, and now all the button are sticky. It happens.
Golden Grizzly sez.."As for the timing of Carr's retirement - he announced it privately in September for pete's sake! How could he know then what the situation was going to be now"
I think that make is worse! Everyone involved knew that Carr was hanging up his whistle in september and did nothing until now. I’m no mathematician but that sounds like 16 weeks of lost search time.
AAB,
Ozzie Guillen may be an illiterate foul mouth, but he won a championship. He must have done something right.
Ben from SF -
Imagine the shit storm? I expect it. As said above, it seems Michigan never fails to disappoint (yeh, yeh, yeh, '97 and all that).
But that shit storm would be muffled by all of the applause and back-slapping coming out of the present admin. and coaching staff.
AAB:
Fair enough on not liking Miles (and don't get me wrong only a small part of my beef is with not getting Miles, most of my beef being that it appears they don't know what the heck they are going to do now) , but was the basketball search really all that discrete? Beilien's name was mentioned from the start and there were always rumors of meetings, etc.
I remember being at a wedding and telling a friend of mine who is a WVU grad that we just stole their coach, and that had to be 3 or 4 days before it was officially announced, so its not like we woke up one day and were shocked it was Beilein.
"Agreed on this point however. My lone hope is that this is all BM biding time until after the NC. Any other explanation for the apparent incompetence is staggering."
And the longer this goes on (no real word on a coach), the more likely that scenario becomes.
Imagine subjecting yourself to all this MMQB to get the guy you really want without compromising the standards of the university.
As Deirdorf said, who knows we may all wind up patting Martin on the back for a job well done after all this is over.
AAB is right.
Winning % is strongly tied up into the school. 8-4 at Michigan has people calling for bodies. 8-4 at Northwestern gets a parade through Evanston. 10-2 at LSU is met with a shrug, while 11-3 at Wake Forest last year almost got Grobe a statue. The simple reason? Because of funding, recruiting base, and school prestige, a large portion of record is out of the coach's hands.
"If it was truly his dream, he had to take a chance."
So therefore if I tell you to immediately send me $100, on the promise that I may consider sending you back $500 you would do it?
Or more so - quit you job, risk your livelyhood, and give up everything that makes you happy (cause if he can't coach at M I am sure coaching and winning makes him big time happy) and maybe in a few weeks I will let you know your dream job is yours...
Dude.
It's a catch 22 No. 9 - if you search, you essentially tell the world that Carr is gone. Martin allowed Carr to make that call himself.
Some call it classy. Others call it incompetent. I lean toward the former.
Again @ Ben in SF (and also MDan)
Remember, we are MICHIGAN, and all we have to do is out-execute everyone else and not care what other teams or people think!!!
So we don't have to care what shit storm erupts, because we are MICHIGAN!
@Ben
Ozzie Guillen thinks bunting is the smartest strategy in the world. His solution to the White Sox's crappy season is to bunt more.
It's entirely possible for a team to win even though they have a mediocre coach, or even in spite of a bad coach. That's especially true when you're dealing with a program that has Louisiana as its home recruiting turf. There may be evidence out there that Les Miles is a good coach, but his record at LSU isn't really it.
97 - that kind of stuff happens all the time in the real world. Plenty of people quit jobs to chase a dream not knowing how its all going to work out.
blah blah blah to the we are Michigan thing. No one cares anymore that we are Michigan. Michigan doesn't threaten anyone, doesn't make them scared, athletically. Academically it's still one of the best. Athletically, no one gives a crap anymore.
AAB, The USC and OSU situations were different. They were getting in new hires, out of the system and had no "Michigan MAn"/"Job seeks you" conditions. Now if MArtin can go ahead and get somebody and they clean house, i am fine with, but what confidence you have in him to do that?? Personally, i have zero confidence and he is not doing himself any favors by messing the Miles things up sooo bad!! If you can assuage those fears fine, if not there is every reason to be concerned!!!
And for the record, Yost is anti-miles, please read his post after their loss to Arkansas, if someone just copied and pasted just the content, your first guess would have been "Oh Pete Fuitak wrote this thing in CFN.scout.com" It was pathetic!!
@97Alum - I can think of another logical reason to turn down Miles and not publicize why - good evidence that the guy is dirty and that he would "Ed Martin" the football program.
I think we can all agree that the basketball team losing to Harvard is in no small way related to a bunch of "loans" issued 15 years ago. I think we can also agree that if M Football had a similar scandal that we would all be very, very sad, and that the after effects would linger for far too long.
Then why say nothing? MAybe you don't want to throw the guy under the NCAA Infractions Committee bus. Bad karma.
Then why express any interest (i.e. ask for permission to speak with him)? Maybe you need to do a little politicking to appease former players.
I don't know.
But, if we operate under the assumption that Bill MArtin actually, you know, has a brain and likes Michigan, then the "weeeee!!! sailing!!!!!" story doesn't seem to fit.
"the longer this goes on, the more likely that scenario becomes.
Imagine subjecting yourself to all this MMQB to get the guy you really want..."
Agreed - if this is all a big giant smokescreen, people will LOVE BM for it and commend him to no end for being such a "master" of negotiation. In the meantime though people will freak out (and BM would and should expect it)
Of course if there is not master plan other than what we are seeing.... yikes.
Chitownblue 00
Excellent points.
However, I still argue, a 10-2 record at LSU is a good predictor of success at Michigan.
Honestly, one side of me still pines for Brian Kelly. However, I just don't think his style and personality meshes with the current administration.
What's wrong with using Carr for this search. Do people think that Martin has a better football mind than Lloyd?
I think that in order to be a great AD, you need tons of help from those around you that specialize in each specific area (i.e., hockey, volleyball, etc.). Martin is here as an organizational leader, Carr is the football leader. Martin needs Carr.
@ Original C
I know Yost is anti-Miles. So am I. It makes me happy to know there's someone else out there. It doubles the population.
You are entitled to your opinion, please voice it, but at the same time try please tell me who else is a good hire at this point. Not just, the name, but who is a realistic candidate. Kelly, maybe but you can make a case for him, chris peterson.... yes same as kelly, but other than these guys who else man. And yes, Miles stacks up very very favorably with these guys!!!
AAB,
Who is your guy then? Brian Kelly? Jim Grobe?
Tremendous
"Plenty of people quit jobs to chase a dream not knowing how its all going to work out."
That is different than this. There is future work involved there. You give up a job to go back to school for a career, not to send in an application and hope someone says "eureka!" and hires you. You aren't waiting, hoping for a guy to say "you are the man" when he could have said it already.
He has a team in contention for the NC. A rare gem. By all means you don't give up your diamond to hope someone gives you another one you happen to like better.
Chasing a dream is one thing... What you are talking about is an irrational gamble hinging on another man's subjective decision.
We are missing one aspect of being a coach that Michigan prizes at which Miles fails: academic performance.
Never at OSU or at LSU has Miles has a 4-year running graduation % over 60%. Not once. Michigan has never been below 70%. I'm not even suggesting Miles is a cheat, what I'm saying is that:
LSU give scholarships to academic non-qualifiers while Michigan does not.
LSU puts significantly more people on the "just make them do enough to stay eligible" track than Michigan. This probably dissuades a certain # of recruits.
LSU, for the past 3 years, has been below the NCAA's benchmark ARP (Academic Rate of Progess) score. Michigan has a HUGE amount of reputation involved in staying above that mark.
As football fans, some of us may not care about this. I'm sure that the administration does.
i think we just need to find a way for ilitch to buy the AD from the state of michigan.
My guy has always been Jon Tenuta, but he doesn't really have a chance at the job. Given realistic candidates, my top 5 is probably:
1. Tedford
2. Schiano
3. Grobe
4. English
5. Kelly
There are about 15 other guys I'd take before Miles, including Ferentz (but not Debord)
Orginal C:
Jim Grobe is a phenomenal coach, who Michigan should only be so lucky as to get. In all seriousness.
I don’t need a big name coach…what I do want is the opponent in the other locker room sitting in a puddle “of their own making” sniffling with a snot bubble in their nose because they know they are about to get their azzes whopped!…not only the big 10…but nation wide.
I want other schools to realize that when they have Michigan on their schedule, the just mark it as a loss for their home team without even thinking.
But hey….I like to dream….
And now….a word from our sponsors…
"I can think of another logical reason to turn down Miles and not publicize why - good evidence that the guy is dirty and that he would "Ed Martin" the football program."
If Les was really that bad, I am sure someone would have blew the whistle on him already. Anonymously or otherwise.
For all the Martin bashing, one thing is for sure, he would NEVER put this team in the hands of a dude who had a losing record at CMU. NEVER. He's not that big of an idiot. Almost nobody is (thank god Carr isn't AD right now). I'm am convinced MDB will not be our coach. Now, if he never was HC at CMU, he'd probably have a better shot b/c his record there sucked, and was better before and after his reign.
@ 00goblue00 -
I must have failed at my attempts at levity. I was just pointing out to Ben in SF, a resulting shit-storm from a Mike Debord hire to HC would not be of concern to the admin. since it would be in line with the present coaching staff's lack of concern with what opponents gameplan. The we are Michigan and only have to focus on our own execution and all of that.
@Ke7in
Where to begin answering your question?...
how about, Carr is a conservative, dated coach, so he will push for a conservative, dated replacement.
Sorry, but I don't want to watch an offense with 4 plays in the playbook and a defense that can't stop the spread for the next 10 years!
Good lord, we need to move forward. The direction is far far away from Lloyd Carr.
That coach from somewhere, grsimmons?? says Grobe is a fine x and o guy, but can he recruit?? And no for the final time, MICHIGAN DOES NOT RECRUIT TOP TEN TALENT BY ITSELF!!
Eh, Schiano gets lots of Juco kids, alot of academic non-qualifiers, and doesn't make any of them go to school. Michigan won't allow him to do that. If he came here, he'd fail.
@ Original C
The USC and OSU situations were different.
I realize we're pretty much in the dark now about the Michigan "search", but my recollection of the OSU search was that there was even less public information than there is for the Michigan one.
The OSU fanbases were going nuts with "Gruden is on the plane" and so forth, and fantasizing about Bob Stoops, or -- looniest of all -- demanding Chris Spielman get a shot... but I don't think that was based on any inside information. I don't think anyone really knows much about what happened. Certainly nothing came out that was comparable to the "sailing" episode -- where we know who called whom.
Glen Mason was actively campaigning for the OSU job, but clearly he wasn't the #1 choice (after the interview at least) or he'd be the coach now. (As an aside: Who knows what he might have done. It is interesting to note that Mason had slightly more success at both Minnesota and Kansas than Miles had at Oklahoma State, and historically those are slightly less-winning programs than the other OSU.)
I saw an article about Tressel in one of the preseason football magazines in the late '90s, and the article was quite positive and indicated he was a good candidate for the OSU coach. But to a lot of the OSU fanbase, I think he seemed to come out of nowhere.
I disagree 97. Miles is unquestionably a desirable head coach. Even if he gets fired by LSU for being a Michigan Man and it didn't work out, there are any number of schools (or the NFL) that would take him on in nothing flat.
His big risk would have been losing LSU. Not his career.
Original C:
For the past 2 years, Grobe has been out-recruiting Miami, Florida St., and the Virginia schools. When he showed up, Wake was getting basically all one to two star players. He now gets 3 to 4 star kids. AND he is fighting (and winning) battles vs. the rest of the ACC to get them. That's a huge paradigm shift for Wake Forest.
Precisely McFate, not based on fan paranoia, but based on what would happen after the hire. If its someone that was "Seeked out by Michigan" most like staus Quo would prevail!!
Michigan Fan,
Nice assertion that Les Miles is the gatekeeper that would open the door to paying players. I mean, even the "Les Miles is slimy" crowd doesn't make that allegation, just the one about how he may have negatively recruited players by disclosing Lloyd's health to people.
Also, could we please stop blaming the failure of the basketball program on Ed Martin? It was 15 years ago. We've been off of probation for five. We suck because they hired the wrong guy to rebuild the program. So perhaps that might be why so many of us are pissed off about this whole circus.
Enron...
Carr's on the field coaching has nothing to do with who he thinks should be the next head coach. He sees someone that can leave a legacy the way that Bo left one for him.
The only reason Carr is staying involved personally is to make sure he adds more knowledge of Bo, and what it meant to coach under him than anyone else...even more than Miles.
@Ke7in and Enron Bowl
I agree with Enron Bowl and would add that Lloyd Carr has his own vision, agenda, whatever, and that may conflict with the best interests of the football program.
Carr, being very loyal, is looking out for the interest of his present staff. He may not see that as a conflict of interests, but I would see it otherwise. That is why his position on the search committee is potentially damaging.
"Never at OSU or at LSU has Miles has a 4-year running graduation % over 60%. Not once. Michigan has never been below 70%. I'm not even suggesting Miles is a cheat, what I'm saying is that:
LSU give scholarships to academic non-qualifiers while Michigan does not."
Good point - I think to answer this one would have to compare his teams to other teams in the conference in more detail. LSU vs SEC, as the schollies to non-qualifiers is common practice in the SEC (when in rome). Also teams like OSU are lower tier and would have to take higher risk prospects in order to compete with the OUs etc.
Again, good point worth a further look. Of course there are the "Les' recuits vs those already in the progam" and "Les' candidates later under another HC" things which would make it complicated to evaluate to say the least.
Chitown, can you link me something on this. cause i am on rivals page right now, and have not seen WF in the top 25, 05/06/07, where are you getting your info??
AAB,
Thank you for at least suggesting alternatives.
Getting Tedford would be a total coup, especially after the Miles incident. However, I just don't see it being a high probability hire from the start. Tedford is a Californian, and the UCLA job is open.
Realistically, I would applaud Martin if he can get Jim Grobe at this point, with English named the designated successor (similar to Dallas Cowboys' arrangement with Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett).
Let me try to be positive here for a second:
If there is one good thing to come of this, its that Martin is quite obviously feeling the heat. Unlike Lloyd, who obviously doesn't care about his legacy anymore, Martin knows the blame is clearly being placed on his shoulders.
One would hope that this leads to an "all bets are off - screw off Lloyd and your Michigen Man bullshit, lets do what we need to do to get a killer hire".
OSU and USC coaching searches were years ago when the internet and blogging hadn't reached current levels. I actually don't think blog was even a term back then. So much more info is leaked these days and people go running with it, so on and so forth. It's just a sign of the times, info now, true or false, we need something to discuss.
@AAB (from earlier, sorry):
Yes, that's correct, it's the same Bill Martin. However, Michigan's prestige was tanked on Saturday. I was downright depressed about how our school's athletic department managed to mess up the Miles situation and then the basketball team had to go lose to an Amaker-coached Harvard. I'm not saying that Martin makes me queasy because we didn't get Miles. It's the WAY in which we didn't get him that kills me. Whether he likes it or not, Martin is the patriarch of the athletic program right now. It wasn't like that during the basketball search because, let's face it, Michigan is a football school. Although Bo would have been looked to for answers and reassurance two years ago, he's not here anymore. Sure, Martin has earned the right to take time off, but now? It's like a CPA deciding to take the month of April off - don't take the job if you're not willing to do what it takes to excel.
So let me be clear - the University of Michigan is bigger than Bill Martin, Les Miles, Lloyd Carr, Bo Schembechler, and Kirk Ferentz. The people will come and they will go. All the people who associate themselves with the University ask is that the powers that be do their damnedest to preserve and advance the University's tradition. We looked like schmucks on Saturday. There was no "we don't think it's right to wax political before bowl season" defense, nor any "we want someone with more integrity" defense. Bill Martin dropped the ball. If you care as much as he should about what he's supposed to be protecting, you don't let situations like Saturday occur. Period.
I think it would be really hard to claim that Lloyd doesn't have the best interest of the school, not his staff, in mind. You may disagree with what he thinks is best, but I genuinely think he's doing what he believes is best. Similarly, I believe that Martin had a specific reason for not going all out for Miles. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying he had one.
are you really worried about um's graduation rate, or do you want to win games? please be honest.
Bottom line 97 -
Miles had to weigh what it was that he wanted most - the LSU gig or a chance at the Michigan gig.
I don't blame him for sticking with LSU at all - but please don't prop up the Michigan job was his dream thing.
Original C:
I just went to Rivals and looked at his last 5 recruiting classes. I have no idea what they were ranked, but you can see a progression in the quality of player that is showing up at the school.
"His big risk would have been losing LSU. Not his career."
I don't find throwing one's life and livelihood into turmoil for what amounts to a mail in application justifiable or logical.
I can respectfully agree to disagree.
Fair enough.
AAB...i can understand top 3, but English above Miles.....we have very different opinions on coaches..and with this much of a difference...there is no point in arguing!!!
Golden Grizzley:
How could Carr have known the situation that would be happinging now? LSU was ranked #2 in the country at the start of the season, so the conventional wisdom was that they would be playing in the SECCG and NC. And after the App St game it was apparent to everyone that this was Lloyd's last stand.
All of this makes the search look worse and worse. As does the fact that Brian Kelly does not seem to be a serious candidate for the job. I don't have a lot of confidence in the AD office on this one. I will gladly be wrong, but unfortunately, I don't think I am.
Bo's Ghost: Yes, I am worried about the graduation rate at the school. It's a point of pride for me, as a graduate, that most of our players go to school. It's a point of pride that I can look at MSU's 43% graduation rate and OSU's 56% rate and know that we at least still do what we're supposed to.
I'd go as far as to say that if you DON'T care about such a thing, you may as well just start cheering for pro ball, because your rooting interest has nothing to do with a University, it has to do with using the college players as mercenaries.
"Peer Institutions"...LOL! WHATEVER, Bill.
if we are so worried about academics, i say we go after harbaugh. then after that, we cut out sociology and kiniesiology to all football players. (like football players coming to top 10 programs {are we still one??} are coming to get a degree anyway).......wink wink....
Here's the thing...Michigan fans want the LEADERS and the BEST. Not Michigan men, not loyalty to current staff, or even to Bo.
Why do you think everyone loves Bo today? He was a winner. He brought his OWN style, his OWN system, and he got results. He isn't revered today because he tried to emulate Yost. This worship of "Michigan men" has to stop. Fans respect winners who put everything on the line, period.
Enron - Bo created the "Michigan Man" idea you're railing against.
MillerTime - excellent comments. A statement from Martin on Saturday evening may well have headed some of this off - or better yet on Saturday afternoon there could have been a joint statement made by Martin and Bertman stating there had been no contact between Michigan and Miles/his agent and that the ESPN report was incorrect.
Martin could have included a statement that his intention to wait until after the game, and Bertman could have thanked him for his respect of the situation.
I'd probably be a whole different ballgame about now in the PR department.
Bo's Ghost...
The academics is a huge deal to alumni, dude. Don't think that they aren't working on that as their number one issue. Michigan people care more about the perception of their school than they do their football team.
lol........graduation rates are all bullshit anyway. hell, ohio state had 4 or 5 guys leave early last year for the nfl draft didn't they? ginn, gonzalez, pittman.......do they count against the rate?
1) hardly any football players get a real education. If they wanted one, they wouldn't be playing football.
2) the graduation rate is a noble thing, but not an excuse for losing or hiring bad coaches.
Question with Grobe is, will he make the unnecessary changes?? Will be have the balls to do it? If so i am in!!!
Les would cause he is a fire breathing Troll!!!
And if anyone here thinks we do not need changes with the staff.....its not worth arguing then!!
Maize & Blue in OH - did you not watch football this season?
Come on- there was NO conventional wisdom this year!
@ Enron
Bo never won a N.C. and went 5-12 in bowl games. In many ways, he was less of a winner than Lloyd Carr. Were he coaching today, I fully expect Bo would get a ton of criticism.
you people are kidding yourselves. there are 10 million posts here about searching for a new football coach, and you are trying to tell me people care more about the academic perception of the instiution? this
is laughable. a total farce.
Additionally, although Bo brought his own style, gameplan, and fire to Michigan, he respected the hell out of the tradition that was already there. There's the legendary story about how the facilities sucked when he got there but he told his staff that Miami's weren't better because these had "Michigan Tradition."
The reason the Michigan Man aspect is so important is because in the age of the ego-centric coach who thinks he is the greatest thing since the invention of football or coaching, Michigan Men have been taught to respect tradition - especially Michigan tradition. So it's not that we NEED a Michigan Man, it's that we need someone with the ideology of a Michigan Man.
"Bo created the "Michigan Man" idea you're railing against."
I'm pretty sure he didn't intend for it to turn into a crony system that accepts mediocrity. My point is that his legacy was his own. He was a trailblazer. That's what we need (at least in some degree) in a new coach.
Bo's Ghost....lower than 70% would not cut it at Michigan...if we get a guy who is going to bring in that culture..he should be fired. And no i don;t think Miles would do that!!
enron bowl, you are wise beyond your years.
It's really hard to get fired up over what people think of Michigan's undergrad Philosophy classes. Last I checked, there weren't 110,812 people watching those.
This is much more fun - and easy - cause it's on TV and written about everywhere.
IF YOU TAKE A STEP BACK...
It is fairly obvious that BM simply did not want (at least exclusively) LM. END OF STORY. The only thing to talk about is your opinion of that...
I for one agree with him.
The last thing I want to become is OSU. They spend a fuckin' fortune on athletics (money that could mostly be better used on, say research or charity). Their academics, outside of football, are nothing to write home about. They aren't known for anything other than sports to be honest. Michigan on the other hand is a fine academic institution. They don't want to pony up millions b/c it leads to the perception that we're trying to keep up with the Jones' instead of making our own trail, as we've done in numerous non-athletic endeavors over the years.
Bo's Ghost...
Not every Michigan fan is freaking out about not getting one coach (Miles). I'm sure many are viewing the coaching search very differently, like Bill Martin.
I'd go as far as to say that if you DON'T care about such a thing, you may as well just start cheering for pro ball, because your rooting interest has nothing to do with a University, it has to do with using the college players as mercenaries.
Wow.
"We are missing one aspect of being a coach that Michigan prizes at which Miles fails: academic performance."
Chitownblue 00,
Thank you for bringing up the first legitimate concern regarding Les Miles' candidacy. While I believe that he will adjust if he is given the opportunity, it is a legit red flag.
Jim Grobe is a good coach. Anyone who can win at Wake Forest and Ohio U has my eternal respect. In addition, he appears to have won the right way, through player development, a sound, yet adjustable scheme, and solid game day coaching.
However, I just wonder, realistically, if he wants to leave Wake Forest. He is 55, has never worked in the Big 10, and does he want that kind of pressure? In addition, he has used a triple-option type offense in the past, which we don't have the personnel for. Plus, he works a group of long-time assistants who has followed him from Ohio U to Wake Forest, is he willing to take on Lloyd's leftovers?
I still like Brian Kelly as my #2, but I am warming up to Grobe.
so, if les miles would have come in and graduated 60 percent, and won the national title, he should be fired on the spot? you are a god damn fool. one reason michigan's rate is so damn high anyway is b/c LC never developed any talent and all the players had to stay for 4 years, either that, or they got sheltered in some sham academic program. you think what you like, but most of these guys aren't taking the standard courses most students do.
Speaking of academic reputation - where is UM currently on the USNEWS list? (I think the list is bogus btw)
Come to think of it, I am pretty sure we lost ground there in the last 10 years have we not? (I really don't know, but I think last I heard, we were lower than I remember us being)
Many of you are exactly what's wrong with Michigan fans. Instead of taking to the streets, you are beginning to show your sheeple side and explain away incompetence and mediocrity.
That's why Michigan is Ohio States, USC's, and many other top tier programs bitch. You UM fans sit up on a high horse, out of touch with the 21st century.
By the way, Michigan, LLoyd Carr has made you Division 1AA's bitch too. You'll NEVER live that one down.
Have fun thinking you have some sort of pronciples, and explaining away the next decade of failure.
Hey, at least you still own Sparty. The rest of the country is definitely impressed with that.LOL
"Bo never won a N.C. and went 5-12 in bowl games. In many ways, he was less of a winner than Lloyd Carr. "
He also finished first in the big ten 13 out of 20 years (65%) where as Lloyd won 5/12 (38%)
Bo might have been criticized in todays world, but many things have changed (BCS, media etc)
....does anyone know where Brian hid the "rock-paper-scissors" item that he wrote back in Sept or Oct?
Thanks in advance.
Enron - I think the "Michigan Man" thing is horseshit, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying, using Bo as the prototype to dispell the idea of "a Michigan Man" is wrong.
Bo's Ghost - you clearly didn't go to Michigan, did you? For your questions - you think that OSU having 6 players leave early in the past 4 years to Michigan's 3 is responsible for a 20% difference?
Finally, the statement that "if they wanted an education, they wouldn't play football" reeks of ignorance. You haven't known a Michigan football player personally, have you? Or been a scholarship athelete in anything?
FUCK YEAH BO's GHOST, WE NEED NO FUCKING PUNK COACHING OUR TEAM!!
Yeah...what the hell are we doing in here. Let's not come back to MGoBlog until ESPN officially reports Michigan has hired it's next head coach. It'd be so much easier than going around in circles all day.
OK...how about the stadium!!
Since they are ripping stuff down…did anyone hire a sound engineer or get someone from the engineering school to figure out how to alter the stadium to make it louder. It is kind of embarrassing that the big house is the quiet house.…or was making luxury boxes in a time of a recession more important?
Remember...at No.9 hamburgers, we believe a balanced diet starts with a burger for each hand...
Dombrowski for AD!
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@ Bo's Ghost -
Speaking for myself here, I think grad rates are important to the point that I don't think I could stomach an NC if we had a 20% grad rate. The grad rate is an important indicator of whether we are a diploma factory or an actual university. The perception matters, to me at least.
As for perception, what truly upsets me about this coaching search is not that Miles will (apparently) not be the next HC, it is the fact that it looks like the people running the coaching search are motivated by petty animus against a top candidate, or just flat-out don't know what the fuck they are doing. Maybe a bit of both.
Ben - Grobe's age is the biggest strike against him, no doubt. We'd have him for 7 or 8 years, max. Plus, he hasn't expressed interest in Michigan. That said, when his name got mentioned for Nebraska this year and Miami last year, he went out of his way to say "No". He has not done so with us.
chitown, is the graduation rate measured over a 4 year span, or just one? if it was measured only off last year, then it would be skewed b/c osu lost at least 4 players i can think of to the nfl draft - ginn, gonzalez, pittman, and whitner.
It's unfortunate how this whole thing has played out, but I still have faith in BM. He brought us Beilin (not sure I spelled that right) and that hire will pay off in the next couple of years once he gets his recruits into the system.
Go Blue!
Well, the statement that "they're all in some sham program" solidifies that you probably didn't go to school at Michigan, nor did you know any of the players. Sure, some are Kinisiologiy majors, but at least that's getting the ones that don't go pro ready to do SOMETHING with their lives. By the way - I knew plenty of non-atheletes who took bullshit majors too.
So the one year difference between Miles and Grobe is a deal stopper?
Bo's Ghost: There's a reason why my first post said "4-year rolling graduation rate".
Golden Grizzly - shouldn't be, no. But there are people, and I don't blame them, who want a young dude who can be at M for ever.
"He became frustrated when asked where he was this weekend, insisting that it didn't matter, that he could conduct the coach search from anywhere. He explained that at least part of the problem was he had switched from a Treo phone to a Blackberry and was having some technical problems."
Wow i'm surprised he didn't pull out the dog ate my phone excuse too!
Plus, for an "up and comer", Grobe is sort of old.
"Finally, the statement that "if they wanted an education, they wouldn't play football" reeks of ignorance."
Actually, I have known football players that got "real" degrees. They were all 3rd/4th stringers. Sorry, but the players that start and win the games focus on football, not education in nearly every case. Hell, just watch what the majors are for every starter they introduce. I rarely see something other than communications, kinesiology, leisure studies, etc. Sorry, but you're way off on this one.
Also, you can't equate all student athletes with football players.
How come I've never heard age referred to about Miles (11/10/53) but it's one of the first things that come up with Grobe (2/17/52).
Makes the argument against Grobe very weak- shouldn't be part of the conversation.
And yes, I know there are a good many fans that would like to see someone that is 45 instead.
@Michigan fan:
The grad rate is an important indicator of whether we are a diploma factory or an actual university.
Is it?
The overall student body graduation rate at my alma mater, when I went there, was south of 70%. Caltech sits somewhere in the top five in the USNWR ratings every single year.
I don't see a correlation between "high graduation rate" numbers and "good academic schools." Yes, the graduation rate numbers are often mentioned in the media, but I'm surprised that so few people think about questioning what they mean. (Good schools are DIFFICULT, not easy, to graduate from.)
In fact, when schools admit football players far dumber than the student body average, and yet those players graduate in numbers higher than the student body average (say, Penn State), it smells fishy to me. But most folks just seem to swallow the 90%-ish numbers without question.
@Michigan Student-
You stated earlier that BMs salary is $0. Don't know if you've been corrected yet, but that's public info:
http://errwpc.umdl.umich.edu/pub.../1/
3314612.html
His salary is listed at over $350K
I wonder what the graduation rate was for the basketball program was when I was passing out all the cakes stuffed with money??
Early today a media friend from Florida shed some light on what happened this weekend that is quite disturbing. According to him, the "source"who leaked the story to Herbstreit was none other than LC himself, further that this leak had been floated for the better part of 4 days and no national media was biting, including SEC's tv partner, which whom he has contact.
Even further, my media friend was on the field prior to the SEC game as part of his job and saw Les speaking with a very prominent announcer who consoled Les by saying "I'm sorry Lloyd f**ked you", to which Les responded - "Yes, he sure did."
I was told much more this morning, enough that forced me to leave the office and hit the gym to work off the anger. So much more that I may share later but for now it would be fruitless.
Suffice to say I learned two important things today - one, this college football world is a very small, incestuous pool (so small that when Sweater Vest chided Kirk on his "sources" during the Sunday telecast he knew EXACTLY who that source was) and two, the coaches of the Michigan football program are NOT held in high regard as to their abilities by the rest of the collegiate coaching community.
Bottom line is this - Martin's boat trip, MSC's predelications and everything else are all ir-f-ing-relvant. LC has a fifteen year agenda against LM, simple as that.
Why, oh WHY are you all fixated on hiring a "Michigan Man" for the job? Whoever Martin hires will love this place and uphold its traditions (because of the man Martin is and the place Michigan is - read some quotes from him and from other ADs, it's apparent), and the winning hasn't exactly followed our "alums" here...
Winning percentage in parens:
Yost (.833) - NO "M" degree or experience.
Crisler (.805) - NO "M" degree or experience.
Schembechler (.796) - NO "M" degree or experience.
Carr (.758) NO "M" degree, yes "M" experience.
Moeller (.758) NO "M" degree, yes "M" experience.
Oosterbaan (.650) YES "M" degree and experience.
Kipke (.631) YES "M" degree, no "M" experience.
Elliot (.547) YES "M" degree and experience.
\if you search, you essentially tell the world that Carr is gone. Martin allowed Carr to make that call himself.//
Proving Martin's allegance to Carr supercedes that to his University.
Not a good example, I'm afraid.
"As for perception, what truly upsets me about this coaching search is not that Miles will (apparently) not be the next HC, it is the fact that it looks like the people running the coaching search are motivated by petty animus against a top candidate, or just flat-out don't know what the fuck they are doing. Maybe a bit of both."
Bingo. I don't mind losing out on Les so much as I'm annoyed that Brian Kelly doesn't appear to be a candidate. What? You don't like the guy? Who cares, he wins. I would just like to know a specific logical reason why Kelly isn't our clear cut #2 right now. I'm warming to Jim Grobe. Not really a sexy name, but I've been impressed with what he's done at Wake. Beyond those two the bottom seems to fall out and there's just nothing to be excited about. And I really want to be excited about this.
Gulfcoast--
Wow.
Oh my.
And that would change everything.
Worth repeating.
"I don't see a correlation between "high graduation rate" numbers and "good academic schools." Yes, the graduation rate numbers are often mentioned in the media, but I'm surprised that so few people think about questioning what they mean. (Good schools are DIFFICULT, not easy, to graduate from.)
In fact, when schools admit football players far dumber than the student body average, and yet those players graduate in numbers higher than the student body average (say, Penn State), it smells fishy to me. But most folks just seem to swallow the 90%-ish numbers without question."
I actually count three players who started for U of M among my friends. One has an economics degree, one Org. Studies, and the other English.
I was a history major, and I can think of four high-profile starters that were in my major, in my year. Steve Hutchinson was my fucking TA for fresman history.
McFate: I think when you compare the grad rates for Cal Tech to the Grad rates for Division I football players, it's apples and oranges. It's true that lots of Michigan's players take Kinisiology, or Communications, or something of the sort. That is obviously less strenuous. But, by graduating with those degrees, they can actually go do something. The Ann Arbor are is littered with former Michigan football players who graduated from the school with Kinis. majors who are coaching football teams, are athletic trainers, or even coaching gym. It beats pumping gas, and it does more for them then the kids that leave without a degree and without a pro contract who have to go pump gas.
Michigan Men? Please. If I recall correctly, the first time I heard "Michigan Man" was when Bo used it to describe Steve Fisher.
The worst coach in the history of michigan athletics.
Who, ironically, was hired by Bo. If I never hear "Michigan Man" again in my lifetime, I'm good with that.
I'm not sure what is to tough about this search. Get a list of the top mid level BCS coaches, a list of the top cordinators, inverview them and get the damn job done. Les was the only top coach Michigan could get because of the special situation. Top coaches don't leave top programs. They make too much, too many clauses in the contracts, they have contacts at the school established. Very hard.
So, If a crappy DC with no HC experience and no hope of ever landing a high profile job can win the NC here, Michigan will do alright.....I think, pretty sure. Should be I guess. as long a BM don't have a polo match scheduled in new zealand when we have the next candidate on the phone
@ bo's ghost
I think the grad rates are computed over a 6 year period.
@ Gulfcoast
Hey dude. I appreciate you trying to arm us with information. However, I'm quite certain that this has to be 100% false. If Lloyd is smart--and shrewd--enough to sense that such a ploy would derail a deal with Miles, he would also be smart enough to operate through third parties so that his fingerprints would be left on the leak. Also, if the allegations as to amount of influence are accurate, Lloyd could achieve the same outcome by exercising his veto, and we could construct a justification for how we "tried" to get Miles but it didn't work out ex post. No way its true.
One of the only things that got me through the week following the Horror was the fact that it was so obvious we would get a new coach next year.
I naively imagined that BM would spend the season sending out feelers and making contact with potential hires via headhunters and agents.
Damn am I a sap.
side note: Pumping gas? I think it is easier to get a job at goldman sachs then to pump gas. Job doesn't exist anymore.
History degree? Might as well be in Poli. Sci.
FYI: Gas pumping jobs aplenty out here in Oregon. State law says no self serve.
"It's true that lots of Michigan's players take Kinisiology, or Communications, or something of the sort. That is obviously less strenuous. But, by graduating with those degrees, they can actually go do something."
right, and I think graduating football players is in general, a good idea. They could have gotten the same or better degree from a community college etc, but they didn't. Why? Because their priority was playing football. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's a fact.
The bottom line here is that graduation rates are good in general, but they are not the end all when you are running a football program.
Pumping gas is still a job, ever been to Jersey?
By the way, the "APR" or academic progress rate, that I cited (that both OSU and LSU fall below the benchmark on) takes into account more than graduation rate. It takes "points" off for players enrolled in "General Studies" and similar majors, the number of non-academic qualifiers on shcolarship, etc. That's why Michigan's 73% rate gets it a significantly lower score than, for instance So. Mississippi (I know, I was surprised too).
I have a friend at ABC News, which is owned by the same parent company that owns ESPN. I asked her to do some digging Saturday when all this hit the fan. She got back to me Saturday PM. Said Herbstreit's source was "at the highest levels of the Michigan football program." She couldn't get anything else.
For what it's worth, I have a hard time believing it was Carr himself. That would be huge story now, given the way this has all played out. But do I "think" he was somehow a part of it? Yep.
\if you search, you essentially tell the world that Carr is gone. Martin allowed Carr to make that call himself.//
Proving Martin's allegance to Carr supercedes that to his University.
Not a good example, I'm afraid.
Yeah, an AD that respects his coaches is certainly someone I wouldn't want to work for.
Get real.
Who would want to come to Michigan if Martin threw Carr under the bus?
Enron - I don't think they're the be all/end all. I just think academics do matter when looking at our next coach.
"Get a list of the top mid level BCS coaches, a list of the top cordinators, inverview them and get the damn job done."
agreed
LOL...pumping gas. did he come out with a rack of quarters and dimes on his belt and a window washer?
"Who would want to come to Michigan if Martin threw Carr under the bus?"
He doesn't have to throw him under the bus, but he should ACT like an AD. BM makes the decisions not Lloyd Carr.
@ Chitownblue:
It's true that lots of Michigan's players take Kinisiology, or Communications, or something of the sort. That is obviously less strenuous. But, by graduating with those degrees, they can actually go do something.
True, there is that component to graduation rates, by which higher rates are meaningful and useful.
A school which doesn't have easier degree tracks will have a lower graduation rate. A school which doesn't care about its athletes' education will also have a lower graduation rate. One of those things (high standards) is good, one (not caring) is bad.
All sorts of factors like that get smashed into one number. Some of those factors are (in my opinion anyway) good if they result in lower numbers, and others are good if they result in higher numbers.
That's why I say there isn't much correlation.
To return to the PSU example, I wouldn't say that Michigan is "a diploma mill" (to use someone else's terminology) relative to Penn State. And yet, PSU's football player graduation rates are about as far above Michigan's, as Michigan's are above Ohio State's.
Should Michigan aspire to 90%-plus percent graduation rates? I would say not if they have to cheapen the degree programs that would be needed to do so.
In this exciting/frightening time where our AD looks for a new coach, I thought I would list what it is Lloyd and BM might be looking for in the next candidate. Yesterday, I listed the following in classic Lloyd play calling.
1) Play action roll out right 6 yard pass to the tight end
2) Wide reciever screen, 2 yard pass to the outside reciever
3) The obligatory "trick play" running back to wide reciever reverse. (Is it really a trick play if it is run every week, for 10 years straight?...and stopped working in 1999)
4) The long shot downfield to your uber-talented reciever (Braylon, Mario)---Usually only run on 3rd and long when team is down by 2 TDs or more.
Now in terms of character, the coach must be
1) Bland as cottage cheese
2) Be a good guy in the community
3) Embrace the mediocre midwest mentality where you sacrifice excellence for cronyism and tradition (Don't rock the boat)
On field Expectations (Enough to keep apologists happy)
1)Average a record of 8.5-3.5
2)Win a share of Big Ten Title every 3rd year
3) Quote Bo...And continue running his offense.
4) Delude fans into thinking program is "elite" by going to the Rose Bowl every few years, where you can subsequently get your doors blown off by USC.
Help me guys. Did I leave something out?
get the torches.
You honestly think that letting word get out that you're searching for a new coach after the losses to Appy St and Oregon wouldn't be throwing Lloyd under the bus?!?
No matter how you spun it, it would come out that Martin fired Carr.
Those who stay will be champions.
Those who go sailing will not.
\Who would want to come to Michigan if Martin threw Carr under the bus?//
Come on. A responsible AD would've fired Carr after the App State game. There isn't anyone who would hold that against him. The only people pleased to see Carr continue coaching after that were the Ohio State fans...they knoew they were guaranteed at least one more win in Ann Arbor.
i'm going to go take a dump in my backyard. be back later.
Thank you for making my point Johnny.
Gulfcoast:
So maybe this is why the coaching search is dragging on: Part of the interview process involves playing "hide the salami" with LC.
I'm getting a little tired of all of this. I'm looking forward to getting some kind of solid information on our coaching search.
p.s. mike tomlin is an asshole. "this ain't michigan v. appy state"
Seriously,
I wish LC could just go the fuck away.
Winged,
I was quite skeptical, as well, which brings me back to the "incestuous small pool" part. Apparently, coaches as "sources" happens frequently, so much so that (again according to my source)ESPN chose to run the story without the typical two-party corroboration. Also, CBS got the same intel on Wednesday and chose not to use it, because they new there was an agenda behind it, whether it came directly from Lloyd or one of his "agents."
More importantly, my source has absolutely no reason to make any of this shit up. He has no ties to or allegances to the program. He just happens to be someone who gets incredible access doing work for the SEC's tv partner and travels with some big-time media.
He also told me that Mitch and other writers were fed the "Miles is greedy" info to serve as cover. When I asked why in hell no local media would blow this up, he simply said "no way in hell do you F with Michigan if you want to work in the state.
I'm telling you, it sounds crazy, but with some of the other things I was told, it just makes sense. The parellel that he drew for me was similar to national politics and the mainstrem political media - one small group of people controlling the dialogue, fulfilling the agendas, and performing this grand play for all the public to see.
Seriously, fucking despicable.
But did Bloyd Carrtin anticipate the diarrhea hurricane that snubbing the Wolverine Coaching Superstar would cause????
And will anyone in their right mind want to step into this postion, realizing they have a hostile "show me NOW" fanbase all worked up???
This is so fucking bad.
By this logic, the spazzery of most commenters here is directly to blame for Michigan's coming slide into mediocrity, right?
I don't think Lloyd should have been fired after Appy St. However, BM had a full year to get a short list of coaches together.
No excuse for the Miles debacle, even if BM wasn't interested in Les' coaching services.
Anybody that thinks anyone in a position of power is taking us seriously is delusional.
We can be as stirred up as we like and it has zero impact on the big picture.
Honestly, if this hire was going to be a complete fuck up it would be done by now. I think the longer it goes, the more likely that we either (a) get Miles or (b) get a surprise candidate, and I mean that as a positive. Thank God they didn't make a fast hire before the opposition could establish itself.
It’s Fun to Speculate: Faction In-Fighting Edition
MSC Faction.
1st choice: Ferentz (a strong, quiet intelligent, MAN – Be Still, My Beating Heart!)
2nd choice: anyone BM and LC can agree on
LC Faction.
1st choice: Debord
2nd choice: English
3rd choice: Hoke
4th – 10th choices: anyone who coached with or under LC (not named Miles)
11th choice: Miles (don’t like him but he is a Michigan Man)
Last choice: anyone w/o Michigan ties
BM Faction.
1st and 2nd choices: ??? (not Ferentz or anyone in LC’s top 10)
3rd choice: Miles
4th choice: see 1st and 2nd choices
Now does it start to make sense?
Want to have an impact?
wcmartin@umich.edu
marysuec@umich.edu
Golden Grizzly, thank you for the reality check. MGoBlog's comments section is rapidly eroding into the MLive board (OMG FIRE EVERYONE ON THE STAFF WE JUST LET PURDUE CLOSE TO WITHIN THREE TDS)
Grewup, under your scenarios the only person all 3 factions could agree on is Miles. Are you trying to say something?
No matter how you spun it, it would come out that Martin fired Carr.
Golden Grizzly | 12.05.07 - 8:13 pm | #
HE DAMN WELL SHOULD HAVE!
Blue Durham-
I know what you meant. I was merely adding that other schools no longer care about the We are Michigan thing. If anything that makes them laugh and take us less seriously all the more. Wasn't attacking you or anything. :)
Dombrowski for AD would be awesome except he makes 2M per year, and apparently Bill "the new Ed" Martin is determined to pay as little as possible for a new coach, even though there will be a ticket price increase guaranteed....for a total horsecrap home schedule, except for MSU
You've not made any point that I can deduce, GG. With any job there are acceptable levels of performance. Losing to a Division 1-AA team falls significantly below "meets expectations" level for a head coach at a program like Michigan's. In fact it reaches a level heretofore unknown, that of "systemic liability".
Keeping an element like that in your organization, I don't care what the nature of that industry is, can only be detrimental. Not only does the continued reliance on such a liability itself produce poor results, it also has the added effect of actually improving your competition by presenting an image that such poor performance is not only tolerated, but in fact what is strived toward.
And of course this makes your competition look much better. Eventually they become much better, because your competition attracts the personnel resources you can no longer expect to attract because...well, you are a program that promotes the feeling that it is acceptable to lose.
At home.
To Appalachian State.
And I think that Carr recognized what you are saying Johnny, then did the right thing for the program and himself by deciding to retire.
Why have a nasty firing of a guy with a great winning percentage and a NC when you don't need to?
The lynch mob mentality of firing someone because of one loss does more harm than good in the long run.
Why don't poeple understand, including whoever that clown is over on Michiganzone, that the process was designed by Michigan to fail?
...
That guy is an idiot.
Meeechigan Dan | Homepage | 12.05.07 - 6:48 pm | #
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Because you have absolutely no evidence of that.
All of these conspiracy theories that Michigan purposefully sabotaged a Miles candidacy are pure lunacy. There are literally hundreds of people, including some close to the search, who want Miles as head coach.
It's great that you're calling our AD an idiot before he's even hired anyone.
Michiganzone is dead on. Two commenters over there said it best: "even though this blog is terrific, it's too bad it's (and the Rivals boards) are being overrun by 'fans' that think they know more about what's good for the program than those who actually live for the program.
Obviously we're all entitled to our opinions, but even the smartest among us are probably basing those opinions on imperfect information. A little humility, and a willingness to think that just maybe the Athletic Department has access to some information that you and I, as average fans, simply do not, will go a long way to maintaining sanity."
Oh, and count me as one of the people who cares more about the University's academic reputation more than the athletic reputation. A LOT more. You don't see a million posts about that because there aren't many entertaining blogs breaking down academics, are there?
hide behind your graduation rates you cowards!!
I know One "Michigan Man" who got his degree froma REAL UNIVERSITY
BO got his masters from tOSU
now keep th enoise down, I am going to drop trou and show all those Ann Arbor heffers what a real man looks like
BM is such a class act that he disregards other classy actions... such as returning phone calls when people call!
The fact that he blamed the switch from a treo to a blackberry as part of the technical difficulties is just hilarious.
Dhani jones was in my physics lecture and lab. He always came late (it was 8 am, not my choice) and some poor girl always did all the work. But he seemed like a smart guy, just didn't care, kinda like a lot of us I think.
http://www.michigan.rivals.com/s...le=2&
Override=1
I always liked Dhani Jones...guys like that don't go to OSU.
Martin didn't fire Carr because the Appy State debacle was as much if not more his fault than Lloyd.
1)He convinced Carr to come back for another season even after Lloyd had told him he was leaning toward retirement. (He basically told Martin he was not as motivated and could no longer completely dedicate himself to the position.)
2)He scheduled Appy State.
Let me suggest, again, that this is a unique situation. We are at a fork in the road. The people responsible for the next coach want to go down the road that does not understand 21st century football. The want to go down the left road, let's say, and this is a road that most fans on this thread really don't want to travel. Debord lives off this road, as does Ferentz and Hoke and all other mundane coaches that satisfy a certain, non-football Michigan fiction of 19th century chivalry and academia and who win a safe number of games...or have solid excuses as to why not.
Down the road on the right are winners, people like Tressel and Meyer and Carroll and Stoops and Miles and Kelly. People with blemishes, coaches who have cursed at a press conference or recruited too aggressively.
The reason for the hysteria - and yes, it IS hysteria and I am a purveyor - is because only fear is going to stop them from traveling down the wrong road. We represent a form of pressure - albiet a painfully insignificant form - and now is the time to raise our voices, not after a safe retread is standing at the podium and all the valium-preachers suddenly realize that it's too late to get off the meds.
This "search" does not merit ANY patience on our part, only panic.
500 Michigan athletic alums have reached out to express their displeasure.
Blogs like this have become an addictive rant fest.
What exactly will it take for this regime to realize that change is inevitable and the 21st century is upon us?
Obviously, much more.
It's time to act no talk . . .kinda like the IBM commercial.
\2)He scheduled Appy State.//
I don't understand...wasn't Hawai'i trying to get a game with us that weekend?[/sarcasm]
Bravo, Meechigan Dan. Well said.
Scott, either Martin's "pursuit" of Miles was designed to fail or he is incompetent. It's one or the other. If you think he is/was pursuing Miles with good intentions, then nothing could be more clear than his mismanagement of the situation.
If he intended this farcical pursuit, then he is playing a dangerous game that, oh, lemme see, might end up making our university look like bumbling stooges.
So where is the room for allowing Martin to operate?
"oops let's punt."
ZING!
Patience will get us Debord as head coach. If that's what you want, then fine.
Additionally, Hawai'i is a Div 1A team known to have a talented QB and some pretty good receivers.
Losing to Hawai'i would've been an upset, but certainly not the one-in-a-million, greatest upset of all time type of event Appy State was.
We would've been far better off scheduling a home-and-home with Hawai'i than paying Appy State 300k to kick our tails all over the Big House.
Just sent this e-mail to Mary Sue:
"December 5, 2007
Dear President Coleman,
I will try to keep this brief, as there is likely very little chance of it being read by you anyway--which I must say is a sad notion, given all the support, enthusiasm and money I have contributed to OUR institution over the course of my adult life. I came to the U of M from Los Angeles, where I was born and raised, and graduated in 2006 with a bachelor's degree in History. Without hesitation, the best decision I have ever made in my life was deciding to attend Michigan. Like many out there, I am also a staunch supporter of our athletic department--from the wrestling team to the softball team and, of course, right on up to our tradition-filled football program. As such, I am crestfallen right now. The way the 'search' for a new head football coach has played out in the media is simply astonishing. And, to be sure, I am ashamed to be a Wolverine right now. Those are words I never thought I'd write. I happen to be a strong supporter of Coach Les Miles' candidacy for the position, but my purpose is not to blast you or your intentions, which I am sure many have already (and perhaps unfairly) done.
In short, I am so emotionally invested in the University and its athletic program that my conscience would not allow me to go another day without at least making my feelings heard by my alma mater's presiding President. Michigan's success on "the playing field" is part of a symbiotic relationship with its fans, and many (including myself) feel undermined or betrayed by the way our search for a new head football coach has played out in the public eye. I am extremely tempted to continue on, but I have already rambled longer than intended and do not wish to re-hash what so many others have likely submitted hitherto this point. Yes, I do think Les Miles should be our next coach--and yes, I do think he is by far the most qualified person on the planet for this specific job. However, I simply ask that you please make a more concerted effort to weigh the feelings of your fan base during this very crucial time for our University. Based on what I have seen transpire thus far, it is clear that the majority 'voice' is being silenced without so much as a legitimate response or explanation from the administrative side of things.
Naturally, I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the matter with you (or a representative) further, though I fully understand the time constraints that accompany your position. I can be reached at this e-mail address (my place of business) or by telephone any time of day, at [phone # withheld].
I'm sure messages like this have been flooding your lines of communication for days and weeks, so thank you for taking the time to read my remarks and for granting a faithful alum a few moments of your no-doubt precious time.
Respectfully yours,
[name withheld]
Class of 2006"
\(and perhaps unfairly)//
Nice. Well-played.
Chillmodius,
Well done.
More of that is need by all.
yeah, I tried to be as diplomatic as possible.
"Scott, either Martin's "pursuit" of Miles was designed to fail or he is incompetent. It's one or the other. If you think he is/was pursuing Miles with good intentions, then nothing could be more clear than his mismanagement of the situation.
If he intended this farcical pursuit, then he is playing a dangerous game that, oh, lemme see, might end up making our university look like bumbling stooges.
So where is the room for allowing Martin to operate?"
@Meeechigan Dan,
I honestly suspect that Martin is being set up by people with personal agendas. Martin has always shown to be a competent administrator and someone who loves Michigan. I think he wanted Miles, with Ferentz and Kelly as the backup. However, he is being sabotaged by people with competing agendas, and is now taking the fall for something that really isn't his wrongdoing.
Whoever masterminded this is ruining a good man...
With that said, Martin can totally redeem himself if he can lure a Tedford or a Grobe to Ann Arbor and remove all traces of cronyism. He has alumni backing now, and all the non-Michigan grads at the university who somehow thinks they know what's best for us just because we gave them a paycheck will be silenced.
We need to put Butch Davis on our short list...
Hello friends,
Well another evening comes, put the kids to bed and check out the current furore on Brian's boards. Congratulations Brian, a bit sensational your coverage my friend but you're lighting it up with the head count. Good for you.
Thinking of the topic at hand, Mr. Bill Martin, the coaching search etc. I might offer a few points for consideration:
I have read a lot of coverage in recent days about the Tressel hire at tOSU as being part of some sort of master PLAN that the tOSU administration had in place way back when to "get their guy". I reside in a part of the Great White North where the best radio sports come out of Cleveland (or Buffalo, but it's untenable to listen to any radio from Buffalo). Anyway, the whole tOSU coaching search went on...and on...and on. The tOSU fans are like UM fans on a crack binge by comparison...foiled by Belotti, Glen freaking Mason getting a ton of run and a small but loud contingent pushing JT. It worked out for them in the end but they offered 3 guys before JT so people, maybe ease up a little on your woe is me we'll never get a good coach rants.
I have been enjoying the coverage from some of you characterizing Bill Martin as a total idiot. Now DeBord...okay, I agree with you...but I suspect that Bill Martin is slightly more with it and guarded than people are crediting. Further, it is true they are looking at the better part of 300 million in improvements and costing over the next few years and do obviously have a need to maintain asses in seats which would be a lot easier with a lot of wins. Obviously, Martin has to be aware of this; I understand that it makes us all feel better to rant and go off on Bill Martin and the admin. as a bunch of idiots but I don't much want to see UM with the equivalent of Glen freaking Mason circa OSU almost a decade ago and friends that is precisely what DeBord, Schiano, Ferentz etc. all would be...I am unsure if Les Miles fits that piece (is he winning with Saban's recruits? is it Pellini's defence? is the guy actually a great coach? or is the OSU overall record more indicative?...points to ponder).
I figure I'll give these guys a shot to get it right then I have some options as a donor. As would many of the rest of you.
Best wishes all.
Chill, outstanding.
Chillmodious:
Incredible letter. Thanks for sharing it with us.
I was born and raised in Michigan, and I've been watching Michigan football since I was about 3 or 4 years old.
All I ever wanted to do from that point on was attend and graduate from U of M.
I managed to achieve this.
The way this entire "search" process has been handled makes it feel as though my heart is slowly being dug from my chest with a rusty spoon.
This unimaginable buffoonery from my alma mater kills a little more of my soul every day.
I really, truly hope that Martin has some super-secret search plan he is executing to bring a quality coach to Michigan's sideline next season.
Unfortunately, I am not reassured by the information that has surfaced about this so-called "search" process.
Martin is taking the heat for Lloyd, no more no less. (pardon the pun) He has operated under the proper guidlines, at least as far as the Miles situation is concerned, but was undermined by a personal agenda, the cause of which we may never know.
I can see Stoops sending Martin e-mails on his Treo: "Bill, I'm ready to move to Ann Arbor. I want out. Please respond."
BTW Blue Wolverine,
There is a super secret plan under way for a VERY big name coach to come in and serve as the savior. No one remotely close to the old regime and one that you would never think would make the change, save one very ingteresting and important caveat.
May not happen, but it's worth the wait to see.
gulf, I buy that. The rules have been ridiculous, but he is respecting them. That does suggest someone else dicated the rules. But Sunday morning he had his chance to flex his own muscle and he passed.
Thanks for the comments guys. I'm right there with ya, Bluewolverine. I sleep like shit and wake up feeling like something is missing. And even though I know exactly why, I am--like all of us--completely powerless. Writing that letter provided the only (temporary) relief I've felt since waking up Saturday and hearing that Miles and Tenuta were on the way. Sigh...
now, all i've got is this keyboard and the aforementioned rusty spoon.
Meeechigan,
That is true. In fact, I'm told that LM reached out to MIchigan frequently through his agent and basically said "Offer me whatever, I'll come", this despite the fact that it would cost him credibility and the ability to recruit the south (again according to a source close to the fire).
That's how much Les Miles wanted to coach the University of Michigan, and the regime, for whatever reason, ignored him.
Chillmodious,
There is always hockey and softball. Great letter by the way.
And never the time nor the quantity to drink.
"There is always hockey and softball."
True. But come on... Samantha Findlay < Les Miles.
Addendum to my previous post - LM reached out after Saturday's game and after his public speech - STILL WANTING THE JOB!
sorry for the all caps, but damn!
just for the record, it wasn't my fault.
I realize all the, how can this be said gracefully, whiny children on this board ask how can Bill Martin be so antiquated, I present:
Schembechler was born and raised in Barberton, Ohio, a suburb of Akron. His nickname "Bo" came from his sister's attempts to say "brother" when they were young children. Schembechler's father was a firefighter. One of Schembechler's seminal experiences was seeing his father refuse to accept a stolen copy of a civil-service exam -- despite the fact that the other applicant was reported to have received a stolen copy himself. Schembechler's father took the exam without having received the answers, missed one more question than the other applicant, and did not receive the promotion he coveted. Schembechler often told the story, saying the experience taught him more about integrity than any lecture ever could have. Hard work and integrity were two themes of Schembechler's career
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Bo_...Bo_Schembechler
gulfcoast wolverine,
It's safe to say that Les has begun to move on. So, what now?
The optimist in me suggest that Martin will make things right by getting a Tedford or a Grobe to clean house.
However, I can smell a Mike Debord candidacy brewing.
Imagine if Martin quits right now...
Alright guys, I've "worked" (i.e. chatted here and put off my actual work) long enough. Got to go home. If anyone wants to e-mail me and discuss further, have at it: chillmodious@gmail.com
^These comment threads are as close to a 'support group' as it gets right now--at least for me.
Cheers.
Dear President Coleman,
I know your feening for some Ferentz cock right about now, but I implore you not to throw 100+ years of Michigan football tradition out the window for some the old Iowa salami. Les Miles is a fairly handsome man himself (with some huge brass balls I might add), and out of his love for UM, I am sure he will be willing to give you the deep dicking you need. And do you really want to take impotent Lloyd's advice when it comes to scoring?
Let's just leave it that Grobe or Ferentz (and maybe Tedford) are fall back positions.
I'm telling you, if what I hear could happen, happens . . . we'll all be dancing like little schoolgirls.
Alright guys, I've "worked" (i.e. chatted here and put off my actual work) long enough. Got to go home. If anyone wants to e-mail me and discuss further, have at it: chillmodious@gmail.com
^These comment threads are as close to a 'support group' as it gets right now--at least for me.
Cheers
BTW, Les has not "moved on" but we'll never learn that because the regime will never call.
Alright guys, I've "worked" (i.e. chatted here and put off my actual work) long enough. Got to go home. If anyone wants to e-mail me and discuss further, have at it: chillmodious@gmail.com
^^These comment threads are as close to a 'support group' as it gets right now--at least for me.
Cheers
What's really hilarious are people who say "Have faith in Martin, he made a great BBall coach hire!"
Are people's memories that short, or have they forgotten Coach Turtleneck already? Amaker couldn't recruit, couldn't discipline, couldn't develop, and was a poor strategist/X-O's guy. And he didn't make the tourney once, even with his most talented team.
Maybe Beilein will be good, maybe he won't. But we were stuck with Amaker for 7 years, and it'll take a couple more years to recover from the mess/lack of talent Amaker left be hind. It'll take that long before we can declare that hire a success.
It took (at least) two tries for Martin to get his second-biggest program hire right. And you believe he'll get the FB hire right the first time? I think it's time for you guys to refill your prescription.
UM FB program is at a crossroads. It's suffered from an ailing HC would couldn't give it the attention it deserved the last several years and has decayed. A dynamic HC could set it aright, or let it fall further into decay like Nebraska. If Martin gets this wrong, we're looking at 5 bleak years, and reversing the damage will be even more difficult.
This has to be done right the first time. Martin has not yet proved he can get a big-time hire done right the first time. The Miles debacle has done nothing to give me any hope he'll get this right either.
Gulfcoastwolverine -
Grobe is gone. Took the Ark. job.
gulfcoast wolverine,
This regime will never call anyone. They want Debord.
I cannot take the rollercoaster of the sports in this state. Love the Wings, Lions make me puke, Pistons are Awesome, Michigan wants to make me jump of a 12 story building and break both legs (less pain) and the Tigers make me want to vote for Illitch for President!!
If they bring in Debord I will Depart.
dont worry guys....Les our savior will rise from the dead and resurrect our program!
I can't wait for the dancing and partying to begin....lets all meet at skeeps and party when this is true because it will be
I believe that all Michigan fans need to stand up for are selfs and do something about it start sending the e-mails ppl please we cant sit here and whine like this"it's not the Michigan way" haha really start sending the e-mails ppl over 80% on the net wanted miles on the net speak up
@GulfCoast
I will never make threats I can not deliver on. As often as I wanted to "give up" on Michigan football this year, and told myself I wouldn't watch anymore games after the Appy State/Oregon debacles, it is not a realistic approach. I love the school and the team too much to just ignore them and not watch games...even if they hire Debord. I will bitch, and complain, and be furious...but I could never be apathetic and not watch the games. For better or worse, I am stuck with this team.
Dear God BIGL, you left out the stretch play left.
Let's organize a rally in A2 for Les Miles.
Gulfcoast wolverine,
Thank you for the supportive message. I will hold out for the surprise you describe with a guarded sense of optimism.
Just to note how pathetic I am, I am literally hours away from completing my work on a Master's degree in electrical engineering and I am nearly unable to focus on that by purging this situation from my thoughts.
Kelly is not a candidate because this happened while he was at Central and he handled the aftermath poorly:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/
ne...ce=NCFHeadlines
As for the schedule, we're not playing a paticularly strong schedule in 2008 either:
http://mgoblue.com/football/arti...e.aspx?
id=40930
This bothers me. We played better out of conference games when I was a student.
I think Beilein was a good hire for the basketball team. I don't feel as good about what is happening here.
No joke. With Brian's reach, and going through the Michigan Daily and student Body, we can organize a rally. Get it covered by D-free press, it will go to espn. Put so much damn pressure on the administration that they have almost no choice.
Klima:
Do you have a source on the Grobe to Arkansas call? I did not see it on ESPN. Thanks.
@ Hobo,
My bad,
That was in my original message yesterday. Called it...Run left strategy.
Bend It,
Yeah. You're right. My biggest departure was Tivo-ing the couple games after oregon, but by month's end I was back at it and involved. Still, to know that they would do such a thing is similar to finding out your igrl is cheating on you. You may stay, but it will never be the same and the chances of marriage are two steps past slim.
\For better or worse, I am stuck with this team.//
Yep...like Nick Hornby wrote in "Fever Pitch"..."did I choose Arsenal...or did Arsenal choose me?"
Imagine cheering for Michigan and the Red Sox at the same time (prior to 2004, at least). That's some real self-persecution, I can tell you.
I'm pretty sure those were my players that Kelly had to clean up after.
Rock City Sports Nut-
Could not agree more about the Michigan sports scene!
Neither MarySue nor Lloyd went to the U of M, they don't understand our emotional ties to the university. They don't understand that football is the conduit for us to remember the good times, to appreciate what Michigan brought to our lives, and to remove all of our barriers and differences. To them, it's a job they are trying to hire someone to fill.
Bill Martin understands that, and you can tell from the interviews that he is angry about what had transpired. Broken blackberry and all, if all the meddling stops, Bill will hire the right person.
However, I just don't see the others releasing the shackles on Bill any time soon. The quality candidates are being snatched up one by one, and at the end, we are left with Mike Debord.
I think we need to email the trustees and get MarySue removed.
i am up for the rally deal
is my name in the hat?
Klima:
Forget it. I did a quick google search of Arkansas newspapers. Grobe is indeed going to Arkansas. We can scratch him off the list. I hope Brian didn't spend much time buffing out a profile on him.
another good coach bites the dust
Murl
Grobe to UA still a rumor:
http://www2.arkansasonline.com/n...-search/?
sports
I guess we'll know tomorrow.
Billy, Billy, who can I turn to?
You give me something I can hold on to.
I know you think I'm like the others before
Who saw your name and number on the wall
Billy, I got your number,
I need to make you mine.
Billy, don't change your number,
8-6-7-5-3-0-9 (8-6-7-5-3-0-9)
8-6-7-5-3-0-9 (8-6-7-5-3-0-9)
see ya, i'm going to R-Kansas.
Suckers!!!!
We need a rally! At our damn liberal university we have PC rallies and protests for everything! Rallies for refugees, rallies for hippies, rallies for commies, rallies for christian, rallies for affirmative action, protests against Nike, protests against gun, protest against domestic violence.
Its about time we rally for something important :). JK
But for real. A pro Les rally is what we need on campus. Brian help us organize!
The Les is More Rally.
Hold a rally to do what? Demand that Coleman/Martin resign? Can you imagine how Sparty and Brutus laughing their collective asses off at that sight?
Rally all you want - I ruined your chance....nana-nana boo boo!!! :0
Les is More Rally!
Yes . . . I'll be there in 22 and 1/2 hours.
Ben in SF-
Great points!
People who haven't attended Michigan often fail to realize what a unifying experience Michigan football provides for the incredibly diverse array of people on campus.
i've got a name for you...nobody
has thought of yet. i cheap man's jeff tedford - STEVE MARIUCCI??
Caup:
Thanks for the link. Gsimmons is going to be bitter that King Grobe appears headed off the market...
Hey - I was 0-3-1 against you - Now I consider myself 300-3-1 against you!!!
mk, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with observations about BM competence.
Is anyone from Michigan gonna call me?
Les called me and thanked me because it got him another 800k per year!!!
remove the president!! but all we care about is really our graduation rate? oh the hypocricy!!
Its really a shame that Kirk Herbstreit cant spell his own name correctly. He must have had a tutor do all his work at tosu
I have BM in my pocket - he is a robot hired by OSU - why else would he keep Lloyd and then blow off Les Miles....???
.....i wonder if i can get my old gig back?? *BURP*
Hey - I went to OSU - what do you expect?? Big Tex would be much easier...
Herbie - spell your name correctly
@ mk,
Of course Sparty and Brutus will laugh...
They dont understand massive gatherings without burning couches, flipped cars, and destroyed property.
I said rally...not riot.
Better?
Gingell, make it happen (rally)! I am in Cleveland or I would come.
How about Hurbstreet.
you spell about as well as you break news on college game day
this is too funny:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_a0o9LBCd7Q
Like I said, beating Michigan this way was much better than beating them - oh wait - we never did when I was there....
Gulf Coast,
I hope you are right, but every time I hear one of these hopeful comments about the great unnamed coach, I want to cry.
On another subject, I don't doubt your friend with the LC information is sincere. But if his source is Danielson, I would be very dubious. Danielson's affection for Michigan is only rivaled by Mark May's.
BILG,
Word.
\Danielson's affection for Michigan is only rivaled by Mark May's.//
Or Colin Cowherd's.
you wanted evidence, here it is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-
PkJA...feature=related
...Sparty and Brutus will laugh...
mk,
Who cares... Ultimately, we need to free Bill Martin up to make the best decision for Michigan. No more Mike Debord. No more Kirk Ferentz.
I will fly in for the rally. I need Brian to help organize. He has a lot of reach with his blog.
I will contact the Michigan daily tomorrow to see what we can do.
Anyone have a facebook account linked to Michigan students?
Hey Herby,
AT least you got a tie against UM!
How can I help with the rally? Want me to call Herbsreit again?
Bill in B'Ham,
That's the point - it's not about people with an affection one way or another in the media. It's the people who can observe from the sideline that have no dog in the fight.
No need to spin it. No need to justify a position, becuase they don't have a position. To me, those are the most credible sources of all.
A tie? shoot that's like kissin yer sister....and we know what that's like down in ohio...did i ever tell ya'll that i can spell O-h-i-o-h?
gulfcoast-
Why be guarded about this "hot" coaching if he really exists? Go ahead and tell us.
I'm waiting.
"How can I help with the rally? Want me to call Herbsreit again?" - Lloyd Carr
Herbstreit,
See how your boy did you in? He didn't even bother spelling your name correctly.
Do the right thing and shut the f**k up until you have multiple confirmations on a story.
I dont understand at all. If they want Miles, even despite the obvious blunder over the weekend, then CALL. LES. NOW. It's not entirely too late.
If they DON'T want Les, than put one name on the list that's better.
To date it appears they've done neither.
Sorry, right now, it's too ludicrous sounding to merit anything more than immediate dismissal by the community. If it plays out with any more forward momentum, I'll let you know. Right now, even I think it's pie in the sky, but simply the fact that we're sincerely trying gives me hope.
I can't believe we would turn down a man with such a passion and love for this program (like the rest of us on here) who, (oh by the way) is one of the top coaches in the country right now. LSU has lost 2 games a year in the fucken SEC the last 3 years. For fucken Fernentz!!!!! 6-6 in Big Ten, NO Michigan in is heart and soul.
This is sickening.
If we're serious about this rally thing, I have contacts at the two Detroit sports stations.
BILG,
Hold the rally at Barton Hills. MarySue and Lloyd don't give a crap about the campus, just like they don't give a crap about us.
Gulf Coast,
Understoodon the LC thing. That is just stunning to even think about.
Also understand your response to blue93. If not a name, any idea on timing?
Ok. I'll spill it. It's Bill Belichek!
Given your geographic location, the only guy you rcould possibly be talkng about is Pete Carrol, right?
It has to be on campus. Best way to get turnout in #s---Students already there. Get a bunch of video footage for ESPN. If we can't get what we want, at least we can make BM and MSC's lives miserable.
gulfcoast:
we have zero reason to believe you. if you wish to speculate, speculate away, but the idea that you can't say because it will be soundly rejected by the community is more problematic for your alleged credibility than your actually giving the name.
I was a Lloyd apologist for a long time. He was, and is, a genuinely good human being who cared deeply about others...
However, derailing Les Miles in favor of Mike Debord or Brady Hoke makes me SICK. He is just another empire builder after all.
I tend to fall into the "everything is gonna be alright" camp. One angle that everybody is missing here involves a certain legal angle. Both schools have legal counsel helping them navigate the murky waters of LM's anti-Michigan clause. Both schools know for damn certain that LM loves his Blue. Who of us here doesn't? This guy bleeds blue. LSU wants its money back if LM bolts. Keeping that in mind, had Michigan contacted LM out of the blue with notice of LM's anti-Michigan clause and had LM bolted, LSU would have been able to go after not only LM but also against Michigan arguably for tortious interference with contract. BM and Michigan did the right thing, they asked LSU for permission to negotiate with LM first. LSU gave BM permission to do so after a certain date, thus avoiding any possible liability exposure if this whole thing ended up butt ugly from LSU's perspective. Michigan now has LSU's permission and a bunch of cocky statements from LSU's administration saying that Michigan could have contacted LM's agent. Michigan, thus, avoids any liability exposure by calling/speaking with LM or his agent after the SEC game. BM's strategy was solid, strictly speaking, from a legal perspective. What BM didn't account for is LM and his greedy agent panicking when OSU's Herby ran with the story with LSU playing hard ball. Screwed the whole thing up!!! Kind of like trying to call a time out when your own team has just intercepted the ball (reference to LM's own questionable thinking). Not sure where this will all end up. Part of me loves LM because he sounds like Bo and occasionally acts like Woody. Love the intensity (pit-bull mentality), and love the fact that LM is smart enough to hire smart assistants. In this respect, LM is smarter than George Bush. Things work out for a reason. All of us old enough, remember believing that Brian Greese was a washout until he came back from taking his Dale Carnegie courses and played his best ball his senior year. Or, how about John Navarre in his senior year against OSU?? Michigan brings out the best in people. BM is handling this the right way. If it is meant to be with LM, LM will have to say he still wants to play ball. Truth is, LM had a gun to his head (by his own doing) and chose the kids that he is currently coaching over his alma matter. Can't fully blame the man. Oh well, these are my ramblings
Oh c'mon. Like he'd ever leave the pros. He's not on record as having ever expressed an ounce of interest in coaching the college game.
Did Herbstriet tip you on that?
BILG,
I *think* I could get Brian all over 97.1 The Ticket in Detroit to promote it, my in there is very strong. If we're serious about making this happen I can give it a try.
gulfcoast:
i soundly reject the idea that they are pursuing bill belichek...thanks for wasting our time...
A rally? Are we in junior high?
You are worse than Notre Dumb fans.
@gulfcoast
Alright, you've stretched your credibility to the max there. Bill Belichek has no ties that I'm aware of to UM. Why on earth would he coach there when he's already working for the best organization in the NFL?
That BM has grand aspirations is fine, but getting isn't the same as wanting.
Besides, while Belichek has the tools to coach NFL, that doesn't necessarily translate well to coaching college kids. I think I'd rather have a guy who's proven he can coach college. We don't need another Callahan.
If the Hoodie could get another year of eligibility for Brady....
BILG, get some ex football players to speak at the rally, sounds like there's plenty of 'em. Hell yes, the Les is More Rally. My kids would love to put on their M gear and go yell for Les.
Ryan,
I am 100% serious. Let's get Brian on board. The fans and the public need a voice here that is louder than just the blog.
And an alumni band to rock the joint
Dude,
Not cool using my name with the Belcheck line. I don't need to play this shit.
I'm not a serial blogger, in fact prior to today I'd posed a grand total of three times on this blog. I happened to have a very stunning conversation with someone who knows and shared as much as I could without compromising my source (because it could effecrt his F-ING job).
Bill, The potential new coach superstar possibility has no timing because this was just something thrown out at the end of the conversation with my source and when I said "No way it could happen" I was informed of some interesting reasons why it might, which gives me hope butnothing more.
Where the fuck is Brian?
I say we have a Naked Miles in support of Les.
I can see the headline already: Lesticles flop to and fro at the Naked Miles.
I'm there! Ya with me?
I would rather see an over the top Civil Disobedience gathering in Bill Martin's office until he gets on the phone to hire Les. Everyone just sit-in until he either resigns or pays him what he wants. I would get arrested if it got Miles hired. Seriously.
After, that's taken care of, take a dump on MSC's desk.
If Brian gets on board, I'll see what I can do from my side. We obviously need a face before we start trying to get press. You can e-mail me at goblue91@gmail.com if you want my help.
You could even study for exams while you're sitting there.
Get it together U-M students. SIT-IN AT MARTIN'S OFFICE!!!
someone should contact the Maize Rage students ... they must be football fans too. They could hop up and down and yell "OOOOHHHHHHH" in front of MSC's place.
Hey, can't be there, but I will, in someone's immortal words, "chuck a hundy" into the pot for signs and logistics and shit.
A sit-in would be so very Ann Arbor. All the old hippies would go crazy about it since that doesn't happen anymore.
MDan, East side or West side of Cleveland? I'm on the West Side.
Virtually NO college players ever play in the pros or make a living in football after college.
Many of them play football because it is the only way they can afford to go to college (I know many of them personally).
They damn well care about graduating!!
.
I just sent Brian this email.
Brian,
Love your blog. I need your help. We are all sickened by the latest happenings in the coaching search. Miles bleeds blue and loves this program as much as any of us students/alumni, and he wanted to come here, and he just happens to be an elite coach. How could they do him like that...For Ferentz (6-6 coach with no Blue in his heart and soul)?
You have some reach. Alumni football players would jump in on this. We need Les, Brian. We need you to help push this. Let's do something for the future of our program. Put so much damn pressure on the AD that they at least have to listen to the voice of the fans. Get it all over ESPN. Let Les know that there is plenty of love for him in Ann Arbor.
The Les is More rally.
Can you hear me now?
87'er, that dog don't hunt. Bill Martin had a chance on Sunday morning - freshly outside of that insanely timed non-contact window, to set things aright. He bitch-slapped the agent and put Miles - a NC coach with a 32-6 record at a big-time school - in line with Brady-fucking-Hoke and other jokers.
It was not about legal niceties, it was about passing on Les without looking like they were passing on the most popular candidate.
this makes me sick:
http://blog.mlive.com/jim_carty/
...ber_5.html#more
deBord, you may be right, but the issue is how Kelly handled the situation. More on that here (toward the end):
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/
...ovember_26.html
Meeechigan Dan, I was one of the ones calling for us all to keep our heads. I still feel that way, in the sense that panic never helps. That's not to say we should just accept what's happening.
I had held out hope, and actually some expectation, that BM was really doing some beautifully dastardly deed of hiring Miles and preserving M's reputation to do things the right way.
After the Carty article today, I can only conclude BM doesn't want Les, or he's been told no Les.
To hell with that.
The problem is that very few of the most famous alums don't live here. Jeff Backus isn't exactly going to put pressure on MSC.
Avon Lake...
BIG problem with all the rally/email Martin et all --- it's all based on pure speculation.
If none of the speculation is true, oops everyone looks like fools.
.
I like the sit-in much more. Not to split us into rival factions, but it is one thing to scream and yell and another to say WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY UNTIL YOU DO THE RIGHT THING.
Westlake.
Gulf Coast,
I was playing with you on the Hoodie comment...I knew you weren't serious about him. Hope you're right, whoever it is!
Aaron L,
A rally on campus has happened about 100 million times before, we all know how easy it would be to pull off. There haven't been sit-in's since the 70's. We'd never be able to pull it off.
@ Aaron L,
Please excuse me, but I am feeling more Malcolm X and less MLK Jr. these days.
A rally on campus has happened about 100 million times before, we all know how easy it would be to pull off. There haven't been sit-in's since the 70's.
Not true, but do go on.
BILG:
I like to put the Brother Malcolm-MLK comparison this way:
Less Ben Folds.
More SLAYER!
Maize, we'll have a Cleveland sit-in. Not sure where.
Bad joke. Don't mess with anyone's handle, please.
Thanks for sharing, gulfcoast. If you hear more, don't hesitate to share.
Ok.
I guess we'll have to live with Debord or Hoke then. (j/k) (sort of)
The whole point is....
We need to speak up. This isn't just about Les. It's about the administrations utter disregard for the voice of their fans...you know...US. To not even interview the guy is an insult to all of us. The blind support of LC and all the cronyism over the past decade needs to be put on trial. And we can start with a rally.
i told him not to get a blackberry
The Squid,
Which wasn't true? Do you really think we'd be able to get into the AD's office and sit-in? Rallies and protests happen on or near campus a lot. Unless you're from an alternate universe Ann Arbor.
This has actually gotten to the point that, for the first time ever, when I see a new MGoBlog post on my blog reader, I get a feeling of defeat, in a "Oh no, what went wrong now?" sort of way.
I'm picking up a check in western NY these days...if any of you OH guys need a lift to a potential rally I'm game!
JW, R-Lew, Bill et al,
I just about turned off my computer and said fuck it forever, all because some asshole used my name and posted a Bill Belicheck is the next coach line, rendering anything associated with my username in the past uncredible. (welcome to the blogosphere).
So, this will be my last post and i'll stick to lurking from now on.
I live in Florida, my source works in Florida and has direct access to every SEC coach and AD. The man on the radar screen right now for us is Urban Meyer and the only reason he would even consider it is because of his relationship (beyond strained) with Jeremy Foley.
Believe it. Don't. I don't really care. I know what I've heard and I trust the people who have told me. They have the access and they don't have the agenda. From the Les Miles debacle down, they have no reason to fabricate or lie. Lloyd fucked Les. ESPN allowed it to happen, and so eventually did Martin.
Take it for whatever you feel its worth.
did anyone read through the tigerdroppings site linked in mgolicious?
wow, someone needs to tell "gamezero" the civil war is over, we're all on the same team now buddy.
MDan, Braylon's house would be a good spot. Not many places for a UM fan to hang out at in tOSU North.
Backing up...I was completely joking about Martin's office and all that. If one were to organize a sit in it would have to be outside his building and so on.
I have to say, though, I'd be surprised if there weren't enough fanatics in town to have a significant one.
Just throwing ideas out. No need to tell me how dumb I am. I already know.
You guys, I am telling you. We need to have some volition here. We need to empower the fanbase. Everyone on here who has seen me post before know that I am one of the most pessimistic, defeatest, bitching, sarcastic, cynical fans of UM alive. But I think we can do something here. We need to mobilize the masses!
Les IS More
Which wasn't true? Do you really think we'd be able to get into the AD's office and sit-in? Rallies and protests happen on or near campus a lot. Unless you're from an alternate universe Ann Arbor.
You said that there haven't been any sit-ins on campus since the 70s, which isn't true.
Gulf Coast,
If I could pick one coach in America, it would be him. Hope you're right....totally understand why you didn't want to bring it up. Sorry some jerk did that to you.
@gulfcoast
Sorry that happened.
Before you stop, could you at least post the reasons why the guy thought it might happen? I'm very much intrigued (with Miles gone, need some hope).
Gulfcoast,
Thanks for the continuing updates.
That is a very surprising name, especially given the circumstances around last year's championship game and this year's bowl matchup. Really surprising that our AD would reach out to that particular coach in light of recent history.
gulfcoast:
i'll take you at your word and respect your point of view. if you say that's what you've heard, then i have no reason to doubt it. i'm not going all "WE'RE IN ON MEYER - ALL IS WELL - CALL OFF THE SIT-IN/RALLY" or anything, but it's an interesting idea and, if true, very exciting.
appreciate it....thanks.
As much as I'd like to hope U. Meyer might have some interest, my gut tells me we have just as much chance of landing Belicheck as him.
Meechigan Dan,
Do we really have any solid evidence of BM bitch slapping LM's agent on the Sunday phone call? (Can you tell I'm one of those dastardly attorneys?) BM called the guy to inquire whether LM was still interested, and the agent (channeling LM) said "too late, the ship has sailed." I'm thinking that as much as I originally fell in man-love with LM that he is truly an emotional hot-head spazmandu. With that said, I will quickly fall back in love with LM if he comes back soon saying I made a mistake and then proceeds to kick Tressel's ass every year until sweater vests come back into fashion. Spazmandus can still be good college coaches. I'm such a slut!!
If we pull off Meyer,
Rally would backfire. Shit.
The Squid is right about the sit-ins.
There were sit-ins in the late 90s when some students took exception to the Michigamua space in the Union's upper floors on Central Campus.
The Squid,
I meant more in reference to the scale. A sit-in in the an administration office would be impossible in 2007.
Fuck that,
These bozos need be put on trial for all their cronyism and idiocy. No stopping the rally fuckers.
Les IS More
As a former prosecutor, I have to tell you, I committed people in mental incompetency hearings who are more stable than some of the people on this blog. "Let's have a rally" wait, "but not if we can get U. Meyer."
Hell, I think I could be diagnosed as manic-depressive over the events of the last few days.
Bend It Like Gingel
Exactly!
Guys, I cannot understand what Martin was thinking in not returning calls. But college football coach agents are up there with faith healing televangelists and used car salesmen for trustworthiness. I would be VERY skeptical of Bass' version of events.
If we get Urban, he might agree to speak at the rally.
Nothing is hurt by having a rally no matter what is going on with Urban Meyer. Really, who cares?
What is needed is for massive attention to getting something organized so it can happen ASAP. Somebody get this thing going. Set the time for Friday or whatever and get on facebook, etc. and get it going. I'd do it myself, but I'm not in AA.
MoscowBlue:
Amen.
Between the annual Christmas crisis at work and the Michigan coaching situation I'm hoping to avoid flipping my lid before I can get home to Michigan to see my folks for Christmas.
people are eager for meyer?
obviously time has erased that smug sob's smirk at the end of last season from everyone's memory.
i'd take msc on the sidelines before i could throw my support behind meyer and not feel like i was sleeping with a dirty hooker every night.
I have posted on more than one thread that a source of mine (in Michigan media) said months ago that Urban Meyer was on Michigan's radar. He had a clause singling out ONLY ND and Michigan as programs to go to, and no OSU. He respected Bo and likes Michigan.
Don't rule gulfcoast out on this one. I am serious.
Guys, we're playing Florida on January 1. No one's ever heard of Gulfcoast before. I cannot, cannot for one minute, believe Urban Meyer would come here. Isn't it possible we got ourselves a Gator here. No offense Gulfcoast, but we need to go ahead with this rally.
MoscowBlue:
Did any of those mentally incompetent people ever recover and lead normal lives? Also, can you still get a job if you become a manic-depressive as a result of this coaching search? I'm going to get fired soon if they don't hire someone. I can't bill Brian for my time here, unfortunately.
Aaron L,
If we go for something fast it hurts our chances at getting major attention. What major alum could we get on that notice?
I'm not even going to read this whole thread. King Grobe to Arkansas.
I'm legitmately bummed.
say hi to patrick beverly, King.
87'er, it was reported by Martin that he told the agent that Les is "one of 3 or 4 candidates" under consideration, thus making an emergency resolution to the weekend's problems impossible.
Rally for me.
dcdave,
I think he'd do it. He seems like a Saban- lite kind of guy, but after Florida and here he'd have no place to jump to.
ThWard:
It's worth your time. I'm serious. Sometimes I get home and just don't have the energy. Tonight I have work to do, yet I read this one and I'm telling you, it's a doozy...
Don't sweat it. You can repair your marriage after we get a new coach. And, we can open our own firm after we get fired. All's well...
First off, the rally is an awesome idea and nothing should stop it.
The Meyer comment came as a "I don't want to get your hopes up, but" comment.
I, for one, don't see any reason why he would come - he probably will win a NC in one of the next two years, becuase Tebow is the kind of kid who will stay all 4 years, plus pull in great recruits.
I was told, however, that there is much more to it than that - mostly that Jeremy Foley is not a pleasant man to work for and is a strong reason why Donovan looked for (and almost took) an exit strategy. Foley, I was also told, specifically fired Zook after the Miss State game, so that Meyer could get hired prior to an anticipated Michigan opening two years ago.
For whatever reason, Meyer has an affinity for the Mich job and according to my info - the two factors - his absolute disdain for Foley and the chance to be the savior (given the Miles situation)- might, and I say with a very slight hope - might be enough to make him do it.
Plus, and this was quite important to me, the national coaching community believes that Michigan's coaches are well below-average and any coach coming into a program like that with the opportunity the University presents would absolutely be in a premium position. Again, take it for what it's worth.
Now, for real, I'm out.
.....where is the rally? i'll make the float.
Ryan,
I don't know. I don't know how anything gets done in this world. Maybe if we think about it long enough it will all work out.
Look at Bill, he's had since September to formulate a list of potential replacements, Lloyd retired almost three weeks ago, and we have a coach already right? Everything will just work out ok in the end.
Whatever you do, don't be hasty. It's not like exams are next week and people are leaving town or anything.
Where the fuck is Brian? I sent him an email about the rally. We need him on this one. What alums can we get to speak. Braylon is close...in Ohio....but his is a Carr guy, doubt he wants to offend Carr. We could get Desmond, He loves to talk and has a pretty free schedule.
Bill Belicheck???????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was as pissed at anybody at Meyer this time last year. Guess what....look who did exactly what he did this year. Richt. Stoops. Les Miles. They were all pimping their teams. Every one did it this year, they just weren't doing it to us.
And, yes, I happen to think Urban Meyer is one of four coaches-with Stoops, Carroll and the Dark Lord of Sweater Land, who clearly are the A-List.
Do I think we would get him? No. But would I be calling to see? Absolutely. And would I take him over Les, absolutely. I hope Gulf Coast's contact is right.
God, this whole scene gives me an ice cream headache. Everyone has to promise me that when this whole thing is over, regardless of the outcome, you'll all come back and admit your individual hysteria was assinine. For example, if you have been berating B. Martin and he somehow pulls a fabulous hire out of his ass, you'll admit you're a douchebag. Similarly, if you're defending B. Martin and he hires Debord (fucking kittens) you'll do likewise.
If we hire Brady Hoke, we can all just kill ourselves together, to avoid the malaise that is coming to Ann Arbor. At least with DeBord we can be assured of hiring someone new in 2 or 3 years.
I know that I've been sounding like a Bill Martin apologist all day in various mgoblog threads, but something stinks here and it's not just Martin and Michigan.
Miles and his agent clearly either tried to strong-arm Michigan or unnecessarily panicked. There was absolutely no reason for Miles to go on TV Saturday afternoon. I still don't understand why he did if he really wanted the Michigan job as much as everyone claims he did.
Urban Meyer??..........man, the hits just keep on coming. You've got more shit than a christmas goose.
BiB, you may be right that we still can't be sure of BM's goals, and we shouldn't necessarily trust a sports agent, but with each successive piece of news, it looks more and more that BM has said Les is Less, no go. I haven't given up 100% of the hope that BM is going to turn out to have worked out a machiavellian masterpiece of backroom dealing here and still deliver Les, but I've given up about 99.5% of that hope.
How about Ara Perseghian? He's still alive!!
Scott Dreisbach is only in Columbus, could we get him?
All I am saying is that there are two types of desperate rumors: pathetic, maybe we can get Stoops or Carroll bleating that is unhinged, and Urban Meyer, who I have heard on more than one occassion, has a little Blue in his blood. That desperate rumor is no less desperate, but it isn't pathetic.
I'm going to throw one name into the hopper - GERRY FAUST!!
Les had a football team to coach. In the conference championship no less. He had a very compelling reason to go on TV Staurday afternoon. The guy's agent was calling Martin, begging for something to give his client. My God! And our AD was out sailing.
Moscow,
Well said. Count me in.
Why does it seem like everyone here has a source in the know?
in all seriouness, if you think urban meyer is coming to michigan, you need to seek mental help. either that, or you are dirt fuck stupid.
We should try to get Brady to speak. That would totally make it legit.
@ Moscow Blue,
None of us knows the ends at this point, and we could very well stumble upon a gold mine.
What we all agree with though, is the Miles situation was not handled appropriately. From and institution always proclaiming itself as classy with integrity, this was an embarrassment. You DO NOT treat one of your own like we treated Miles.
No matter what BM pulls off here, he mishandled the Les Miles situation. Miles needs to know the love we have for him here in AA, whether or not he is the next Michigan coach, he is stillk one of ours. These AD clowns need to be called out on their incompetence and cronyism.
Yeah, especially since Brady has advocated publicly for Debord.
fwiw, i've heard of gulfcoast before...vaguely. rarely posts, but is very level headed, iirc. that's probably why i remember him, as most posters in recent weeks have become....melodramatic is the best way i can put it.
don't forget...Beilien was an 'off the radar' guy till later on in the process. iirc, his PiH came pretty late, and not until it was clear he was among he top 3-5.
my gut has told me that there's a chance a guy could come out of nowhere. no basis for this, at all. i was thinking maybe a lower division coach or stoops/urban, but i figured they were waaaay long shots, which they are.....
but, if Urban is in play, this does explain a lot of the sat. stuff. Miles really wasn't the top guy & martin thus never felt pressure to contact him till sun. i really think alot of this herbie report came from friends of LM who got waaaaaaay ahead of themselves and assumed too much. i think i read somewhere else that he's not getting along w/ the AD/UPres down there too.
I think this might have been brought up, but if not...
http://www.arkansasnews.com/arch...ews/
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Ryan,
The scuttlebutt I've seen seems to indicate that Brady thinks MDB is A-okay!
Say it ain't so Tom!
MoscowBlue,
Just him being there would immediately make it an important event. I don't care if he comes up and starts chanting "DE BORD".
Also, he'd bring Giselle.
Yeah, i forgot about that "standoffish" comment by BM to the agent. New theory: LM's agent is a secret double agent for Jim Tressel!!!! That's who we should really all be damning to hell.
I'll be sad when all of this drama is over, frankly. This is a great community of smarty-pants and smart aleks commonly bound by a love for those winged helmets. And, I'm referring to the ones on the football field rather than in Moscow (nearly pee-ed my pants reading that post the other day, not sure who sent it -- too funny).
Listen guys, somebody told me today that at work - he has ties to the athletic department - that the new coach has already been selected. You are not going to believe this! Ready!? It's going to be TONY DUNGY! They are just waiting for the Colts to finish up there season, and then they are going to announce it. Meanwhile, carry on here with your wild speculation and innuendo.
once more:
if you think urban meyer's our coach
stop smoking and put down your roach
he blew off south bend
his travels will end
in florida: not a place you can poach
I'm sure Brady will fly right out to A2, what with the short week to prepare for Pittsburg on Sunday. Come on -- the rally thing is really, really, really gay. Sorry.
Actual Quote:
"I don't know where he is nor do I, you know, I just don't spend that much time on him. You know, again, I don't know where he is. I, uh, heh, heh, uh, I uh, repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him"
It is:
a) Bill Martin talking about Les Miles
b) Brian talking about Kirk Ferentz
c) George Bush talking about Osama bin Laden
.
I don't know, the Urban thing just seems too weird to me based on what's gone down in the public sphere and the AD's stance toward Miles.
Heck, people are annoyed with Harbaugh's comments about Michigan and he is (was?) a bonafide Michigan QB hero!
Just too wild.
extremely gay
I'm not sure what's worse:
A) How much I hated Blue Man Group's sarcastic post or,
B) Two seconds later my mind remembered Dungy is from Jackson and used to come to Ann Arbor to play basketball as a kid.
what do you think of tony dungy?
Two comments:
One,I am not a Miles supporter because I think we can do better,but BIGL is right that he was treated inappropriately.
Second, as far as Meyer goes, as the lastest troll Bluto says, I am dirt shit stupid. Whatever. I don't think we will get him. But if Martin is TRYING to get him, it would be the best news I have heard since this whole CF of the last few days started. The fact that Martin was TRYING to get Meyer means that he has not yet surrendered to mediocrity. I think we all could get behind that, whether we love Les, hate Meyer or are in between.
i think belicheck picked mushrooms up near gaylord one time too. put him down as a candidate.
Drew Henson is available.
Dungy is from Michigan. But he'd need an offensive genius like me.
Belicheck was a Lions assistant in the 70's if you really want an area connection.
urban meyer........LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. God damn, that is funny.
Chris Perry is available. Spencer Brinton is busy with his 11 wives and 38 children.
the pope was in detroit once, put him down too.
We should offer $4 mil base to Meyer with incentives. He could be our savior, and if he resurrects Michigan football he will be a legend. I'm not exaggerating here. Nobody think he's a bonafide legend right now b/c he's in Spurrier's shadow. And granted Bo is our legend, but I wouldn't doubt if Meyer's desire to elevate our program is strong.
hahaha @ Brinton
yeah, chris perry isn't playing for the bengals. what's he played about 50 snaps in his career? sad thing is, he'll be better than hart in the nfl.
the other thing is that the rivals stuff is pissing me off. i have no subscrip, but c'mon....they went from KF is a candidate ...to not ....to it's his job if he wants it .....to it's a smokescreen.
anything they say is designed to pull in $$$.
Enjoy Life,
The post of the week. My answer is d) all of the above.
I see this going one of two ways:
1) There's either a dark horse candidate that no one is talking about or 2) BM's 20-man list was saved on his malfunctioning and he can't remember any of the names on it besides Miles who was like #19.
He's either got this really under control or it's spiralling out of control. There's no middle ground. The BM interview with the press - one which he had like 4 days to prepare responses for - did nothing to make me think we're dealing with #1, but, I guess we'll find out soon...or sometime in February.
lol........urban meyer. no, he's not a legend at florida. not at all.
suffrrrfin suckotassssshhhh *spit*
I just kept waiting for the follow up question at spicy BM.s press conference -- "Um, sir, are you retarded?"
I meant to say "his malfunctioning blackberry" above...
what about Marty Schotenheimer? Didn't he live in Kalamazoo once?
Todd Collins is also available.
Sadly I think the rally seemed to die as soon as BILG stopped posting comments, which makes me think it will never happen. Damn my expectations of unlikely events.
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I figured it out!
Bill didn't have the nights and weekend package from verizon wireless!
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Actually, one of my friends at ESPN Deportes told me that Lou is actually a candidate. He plans on giving a practice run through of his first lockerroom speech at Michigan Stadium during the bowl coverage.
Dierdorf was pretty fired up in the paper today.
What exactly did Dierdorf say?
at least holtz can do magic tricks for the players!!
FWIW, I heard Meyer expressed interest in the job before the shitshow this weekend. And he was supposed to be in NYC yesterday while Bill Martin had is secret meeting not with Ferentz.
If I've said it once, I've said it 1000 times -- this thing stopped being a shit storm over the weekend. It's now a full fledged diarrhea hurricane.
It's been a Category Five since at least Sunday.
Dierdorf and Holtz........wow, get the spit shields ready.
Dierdorf comments from MLive:
"Dan Dierdorf, one of the most famous alums from the early Schembechler era, also is curious what happened with the candidate he was pushing.
"I'm disappointed that Les Miles isn't the new head coach," Dierdorf said. "I was hoping that would happen. I think I'm just like every other Michigan guy out there wondering what the thought process was that came to the conclusion that Les Miles wasn't the right fit for Michigan. I'll be anxious to have that explained."
Dierdorf's biggest concern is that he hopes money - bridging the gap between the nearly $1.5 million that Lloyd Carr is making and the multi millions other top coaches are making these days - didn't sink any possible dealings with Miles.
"I hope we're not setting a price tag and saying whomever we hire has to work with this," Dierdorf said. "I'd be terribly disappointed if that's the way we're doing business."
Dierdorf and Caldarazzo admit they're both biased as former offensive linemen for the Wolverines, just like Miles was. But they felt Miles was the best candidate out there, regardless of his connection to Michigan.
"He was my horse, he went off on the inside and somehow stumbled down the stretch," Dierdorf said. "All I know is this: the phone lines and the Internet have been smoking with everybody trying to figure out what's going on."
...
Like everyone else, they're left wondering and waiting for what's next.
"I know that a coaching search can't be done too public, but people are getting hired (elsewhere) and all that comes out of Ann Arbor is silence," Dierdorf said. "Maybe in the end we'll all pat Bill on the back and say job well done.
"I'm not saying that can't happen. But, boy, we're all starting to get a little anxious."
He must read MGoBlog.
The Squid -
I've seen your point raised before - why did Les have to do a TV presser? Well, here's one answer.
Les to players: Guys, what ESPN is reporting is not true. Seriously.
Players: Yeah, right. All the coaches say they're not leaving then leave. ESPN would not lie.
Les: OK, I'll prove it by telling everyone in a presser before the game.
(In fact, if I were in his position, and I believed that it was important to my players (and asst coaches) that they have the peace of mind of knowing that I would stay after the game, I would hold a presser too.)
Michael Taylor will speak at the rally if you pay him $30.
Ed Martin is already onboard to fund the rally...
I realized I'll be drawn and quartered for trying to be rationale, but there's no fucking way Miles or Meyer are coming based simply on the logisitics and dates. Michigan won't wait until January 8 for Miles and we're playing Meyer's team in the bowl game for shit's sake. Christ, if spicy BM can't get his blackberry to work on his sailboat, he sure the hell can't manage those logistics.
I believe Miles had pressure on him to the presser. A win gets them a BCS bowl and tons of extra money. Add to that the chance Miles might be losing his players emotionally, he had to do it. Think if they lose that game b/c of the idea Miles might be leaving, and he ends up staying, don't you think the players would be pissed he couldn't have been more affirmative with it? He got screwed, did the best he could, and now will hopefully win a NC.
I was looking at Brady Hoke today and realized that Stan Parrish was his OC. Didn't Lloyd fire that guy a couple of years ago?
Wong-Baker:
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DCB, you logical asshole. Can't you let me dream?
REPORT: Michigan contacts Ball State coach Hoke about coaching job
December 3, 2007
By DOUG ZALESKI
GANNETT NEWSPAPERS
MUNCIE -- At least two schools from BCS conferences -- including Michigan --
have shown preliminary interest in Ball State football coach Brady Hoke about
their head coaching jobs.
Hoke confirmed to The (Muncie, Ind.) Star Press during the weekend that his
name has been advanced about coaching vacancies at the University of Michigan
and Washington State University.
"It's that time of year," Hoke said about speculation on openings.
Eleven schools currently have head coach openings.
Lloyd Carr, who retired last month after 13 seasons as Michigan's coach,
recommended Hoke as a candidate to be his successor.
Michigan athletic director Bill Martin contacted Hoke early last week to
discuss the job with him.
Bill Doba, who resigned last month after five seasons as coach at Washington
State, recommended Hoke for the Cougars' position. Doba, like Hoke, is a
Ball State graduate.
Hoke said he has not yet received formal contact from Washington State's
athletic administration about the opening.
Hoke led a rejuvenation of the Ball State program this season. He coached
the Cardinals to a share of the Mid-American Conference West Division
championship, and helped them earn their first bowl bid in 11 years with a 7-5
overall
record that was the school's best since 1996.
Ball State on Saturday was selected to play Rutgers on Jan. 5 in the
International Bowl in Toronto.
"I think Brady has done a nice job here," Ball State athletic director Tom
Collins said. "He's an outstanding recruiter, he's a very good teacher, and he
gets along well with his student-athletes. He has all the ingredients to be
a head coach."
Hoke earned a salary of $156,000 this season. He is under contract with the
Cardinals through the 2009 season.
The success of the team this year might warrant another contract extension
for Hoke.
"After the season is over and the bowl game is finished, we'll sit down and
talk about things that need to be addressed," Collins said. "We want to do
the things to make sure the program is going forward, and Brady is a big part
of that."
Hoke has a 22-36 overall record in his five seasons at Ball State. His teams
are 14-9 against MAC schools the past three years.
~Todd
Is that supposed to be a newsflash?
Scroll down 3 posts.
22-36. Are you fucking kidding me.
I now find myself not reading Brian's content and going straight to the comments chat room.
Please. Stop posting about Brady Hoke.
Sorry, I just realized it was posted by a troll
Dear Washington State:
Please hire Brady Hoke immediately.
I promise he will lead your program to glory and innumerable Pac-10 championships!
22-36? hell, we might as well hire Ty Willingham.
DCB,
He's a troll!
maybe we'll get bill doba?
Bill: I just realized that. I'm so bleary=eyed from following this thread all day that I can't tell a douchebag from a real poster. Plus, the way things have been playing out, I kind of sort of expect a Brady Hoke announcement this week, with him serving as "co-head coach" with Lloyd during the bowl game.
Bill, go crawl back in your cave.
sorry about the Hoke post, my question was more about Stan Parrish as his OC. If he came back we would definitely be retreading the Carr era
Miles: An LSU Man
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By Chris McDonald
Senior Writer
The search for LSU’s next head football coach ended abruptly on Saturday. Little did anyone know that the next coach would be Les Miles himself.
Among speculation and rumors all week about Miles taking the head coaching job at his alma mater Michigan, the spotlight was clearly not where it should have been focused: on the fact LSU was playing for the SEC Championship.
But after ESPN reported early Saturday morning that Miles would be in Ann Arbor, Mich. on Monday to announce his decision to accept the Michigan job, Miles had no choice but to hold an impromptu press conference hours before the SEC Championship to dispel those rumors.
“I’m the head coach at LSU,” Miles said in his press conference. “I will be the head coach at LSU. I have no interest in talking to anybody else. I’ve got a championship game to play, and I am excited about the opportunity of my damn strong football team to play in it.”
But fans and the media were still skeptical about whether or not Miles would return to LSU because he had not specifically said he would be at LSU next season. But on the field before the game, Coach Miles clarified his statement.
“I’m staying at LSU, this is a place I want to be,” Miles told LSU sports reporter Jordy Hultberg prior to kickoff. “This is a place my family is very comfortable. This school has everything. It has an opportunity at victory and competing at the highest level. I’m the head coach at LSU and I’m going to be the head coach at LSU.”
After Miles cleared the air about the coaching controversy, the Tigers responded on the field by defeating the Tennessee Volunteers 21-14 to win the Southeastern Conference for the first time under Miles’ tenure. The Tigers finished the season with a record of 11-2 and a record of 6-1 against ranked opponents.
“I love Michigan; I will always be a Michigan man,” Miles said in his postgame press conference. “I’d love to help them. But I’m not going there. It saddens me at times. I can’t be at two places. I’ve got a great place. I’m at home.”
Only hours after Miles and the Tigers sealed the victory and a minimum berth in a BCS bowl, the Tiger faithful waited anxiously to see if No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia would fall that night. As fate would have it, both teams lost and the Tigers knew that they would still have a chance to play for the BCS National Championship.
On Sunday, the Tigers received enough points in the BCS formula to garner the number two spot in the rankings and received a bid to face Ohio State in the BCS National Championship on Jan. 7, 2008. The Tigers were long shots to make it to the title game after losing to Arkansas two weeks ago, but the craziness of the 2007 college football season proved to last to the very end.
So now as Tiger fans recover from what was one of the craziest weekends in LSU football history, they can settle down knowing that they have their coach
maybe we could hire that frank tv guy. that way when he talks to BM & MSC, he can be LC, but when he's on the sidelines or in front of a camera he can bet LM.
Hoke:
4-8
2-9
4-7
5-7
Sounds like a winner to me!
Along with Hoke, John L Smith and Ed Orgeron are on Washington State's shortlist. This is their punishment for unleashing Ryan Leaf on the world.
I will be back in an hour for a rally update U-M students. I picture this on the facebook event invite:
"From this day to the ending of the world, but we in it shall be remembered - We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, his day shall gentle his condition and gentlemen in Michigan now-a-bed shall think themselves accursed they were not here and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Miles' Day."
I like the idea of St. Miles' Day. 8/8/07
Aye, mateys, I tells ya, twas me and Bill Martin headin' oot for the high seas. Ukukukukukukuk!
Have fun with me pal, Brady Hoke!
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Ball State's Hoke talks with Michigan AD about coaching job
12/5/2007, 10:39 p.m. ET
The Associated Press
ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) — Ball State football coach Brady Hoke says he and Michigan athletic director Bill Martin have discussed the Wolverines' open coaching job, but says it wasn't a formal interview.
Hoke was an assistant to Michigan coach Lloyd Carr in 1995-2001. Carr announced Nov. 19 that he was retiring after 13 seasons.
"I did have a conversation with Bill a couple of weeks ago of substance about interest on both ends of it, but that's as far as it's gone," Hoke told The Ann Arbor News for a story on its Web site Wednesday.
Hoke said he also has had some contact with Washington State, where coach Bill Doba resigned at season's end. Hoke and Doba are Ball State alumni.
Others coaches whose names have been mentioned for the Michigan job include Wake Forest's Jim Grobe, California's Jeff Tedford, Missouri's Gary Pinkel and N.C. State's Tom O'Brien.
Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, widely rumored to be on Martin's list, said he is not talking to anyone about job openings.
Carr's final game comes New Year's Day, when Michigan (8-4) faces No. 9 Florida (9-3) in the Capital One Bowl in Orlando, Fla.
Carr is 121-40 for a .752 winning percentage, seventh among active coaches.
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This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
© 2007 Michigan Live. All Rights Reserved.
jim grobe to arkansas!
blueman group - links will do just fine. thanks.
Holy crap. Took me like a friggin' hour to read this. And yes, R-Lew, my marriage is going down the tubes as this coaching search drags on.
Three things:
1.) Belichick-- woot! Kidding. That guy's a jagoff, what kid would want to play for him? Actually, he'd probably take a bunch of 1 star kids, mold them into a juggernaut, and beat OSU by 118... come on down, Bill!
2.) Guy that said this is a support group--- Amen, brother.
3.) R-Lew and Aaron--- don't a few things in here jive with that email I sent y'all? Not getting my hopes up, just saying.
I'll admit. For the first time since Carr's retirement, I'm legitimately worried. G*d, I hope Martin pulls this all together.
with grobe gone, we are now done to pinkel, hoke, and o'brien, b/c tedford ain't coming east. man, that is sad.
New stadium addition. Applachian State. The Lloyd Cooper era vs. tOSU. These are the things I keep reminded myself in the coaching search. Spicy BM HAS to make a splash, or A2 will burn, right? Please tell me I'm right.
12/8/07.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Jesus Christ guys. We are all fucking crazy. Urban Meyer now...come on...if its true then wow, but seriously probably not.
Les probably wont happen either, but believe me I am Les Miles fan #1. I want him here very badly. We really do need to show Les that he has the support of the enormous fan base we have. Along with that we need to make sure BM, MSC, LC, know how much we care about Les. Lets get this shit done.
This isn't over by a long shot. BM will do his best and I hope that will be sufficent and work.
Urban Meyer to UM??!!
This would shatter the historical rule that successful elite college HCs do not switch programs.
But could it happen?
Meyer is young (43) and cutting edge (like Bo was in ’69)
He’s an Ohio boy and coached in the MAC (like Bo)
Was an asst. at OSU (like Bo); understands the rivalry and can turn it back on the Bucks a la 2006 NC game
Respected and was interested in UM prior to getting his big gig (likes the “tradition”?)
Hates his AD (maybe)
Perhaps is a Midwest boy who really doesn’t like the whole southern attitude including SEC rah-rah stuff
Already won a NC and will be loaded with recruits and impossible expectations every year (if you think 9-3 at UM is unacceptable, try Fla.)
Already made his money ($3 mil per yr); doesn’t need more to be financially secure or prove himself
Maybe thinking about where he’d like to be for the next 20 years (seems to have no NFL ambitions) and knows that if you restore the glory at UM, you are set for life
Long shot, definitely, but possible if the stars are aligned. If it happens, BM is officially awarded status of God Emperor of Dune.
Miami (OH) ain't Florida. Or the other way around. You know what I'm saying.
Carr, Hoke Speak On Relationship; Game
Lloyd Carr & Brady Hoke By Josh Turel
GoBlueWolverine.com
Posted Nov 1, 2006
Michigan Head Coach Lloyd Carr and Ball State Head Coach Brady Hoke talk about each other, their relationship, and Saturday's game among other things.
After serving as defensive line coach and later associate head coach during his seven year tenure at the University of Michigan, Brady Hoke left after the 2002 season to accept the head coaching job at his alma mater, Ball State. At his press conference on Monday, Michigan Head Coach Lloyd Carr took time to share his thoughts on Hoke.
“Brady was hired here in 1995, and he's a tremendous guy that loves the game, “said Carr. “I think his players enjoyed him because he has a great enthusiasm. He's upbeat. He is always a positive guy. He did a great job here recruiting. I think he really opened the doors into California for us.”
Despite a tough few years at BSU, Carr still feels Hoke is on his way to building a strong MAC program.
“I think he understood when he went there it was not a job that was going to be done overnight. I think he’s done a great job, he’s built a foundation and that’s the first thing you have to do. His teams, when I look at them, they are fundamentally sound, they play hard and I think he is on his way and I think he‘ll be very successful.”
Much like his friend, mentor, and former boss, Hoke had nothing but good things to say about Carr as well.
"Coach Carr is a great man who I admire more than anybody in football,” said Hoke. “He is an outstanding football coach, but even more important he is a better man. We’ve talked about once a week, or once every two weeks about the progress of the season and those things. If we don’t talk directly, then there are phone messages. Lloyd (Carr) was a great mentor to me, a guy I have the utmost respect for as a football coach and as a person, so it’s a good relationship.”
Though the many might think the two would be excited to play one another, Carr indicated that it is something he doesn’t take pleasure in.
"As far as this game goes, I really was not excited about it,” said Carr. We played against Mike DeBord when was at Central (Michigan). I didn't enjoy it very much. And I just think it's one of those deals where I'd rather have played somebody else.”
Carr's apprehension to play this contest may not have been as great if Ball State wasn't so woefully overmatched. When the two teams step between the white lines, though, the personal feelings will be put aside.
“We have responsibilities and jobs to do, and certainly those come first," said Carr. "Your concentration is on doing the things that you can do to help your team be successful."
Coach Hoke shared those same sentiments. “This is Ball State playing Michigan," he said. "We had some great years up there and it’s a very special place to us, but we have a football game to prepare for against an awfull
Hoke, Pinkel, and O'Brien......man, I bet they are shaking in Columbus.
DCBlue:
Absolutely. It makes absolutely NO sense at all to negotiate the adidas deal, drop $300 million on the stadium renovation, and drop a ton on the facilities improvements only to tighten the purse strings when it comes to hiring a high quality head coach.
CC and Seven,
They are not shaking in Ypsilanti if that is the list.
In a fleshy prison I am buried above the ground.
Depression sets in on this wretched Wednesday. Cold weather. Gray skies. No coach. No beer. Visions of DeBord haunt like the cold painful winds of an early December night.
SIGN THE PETITION:
http://www.petitiononline.com/Le...u/
petition.html
From Mark Snyder's column:
• Is he waiting for Michigan to come around again? Countless former U-M players and fans would be ecstatic at the possibility. An enormous groundswell of support remains for Miles -- fans have flooded athletic director Bill Martin with their feelings -- but it's unclear how much, if any, that influences Martin or the U-M decision-makers. And there remains a strong anti-Miles camp.
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Good work on flooding Bill Martin guys! It's drawn some attention apparently.
Full link:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...0022/0/
SPORTS02
why can't that petition be at a site where you don't have to donate? or is that bs and you actually don't
Bill Martin is a fine sailor!
http://www.monacaron.com/images/...nic-
sinking.jpg
Wow. Where is my Xazax?? This place sucks.
Good evening folks....just got caught up on all the commentary....couple of things:
1. throughout the last week+ there have been bouts when I could not see or read the comments posts and subsequently could not post myself. Anyone else have those issues? Suggestions on how to overcome them as I am not much of a techie.
2. KF is not coming to UM.....not sure if its mentioned here, but he's staying at Iowa.....very loyal, KF is....he and BM met in NY, BM upped the offer, but KF said no this afternoon.
3. Hoke is a hoax....a leak to make him look better for other jobs..UM did speak to him, but it was not an interview....it was, at most, a chat, nothing more, and done to boost his credibility....total farce....we can stop talking about.....if he ends up the next coach, I will personally host a mgoblogheads tailgate party for the opener vs Utah.....of course, in the event this unlikliness happens, many of you probably wont be going to the game, eh?!?! lol
4. Greg Schiano. He's the guy. Book it. We'll be chopping wood next season.
Birdies are talking to me....i have unusual sources, but they're dead on and have a 1/2 step ahead during this whole "fiasco".....if KF was the guy, there would already have been an announcement....or at least an announcement of a press conference.....we're looking at Schiano right now....how far that goes, we'll see.
Would have posted this earlier, but could not because of the above tech issues. Recommence freaking out, by all means, dont let me stop you....lol
What about the guy at Grand Valley?
I just read on the free press site - Schiano is not even doing interviews.
You guys don't necessarily need to hire a college coach! There is a much larger pool of talent than just that!
CC and Seven:
That doesn't mean anything. Coaches have said this stuff as far back as I can remember, and it doesn't mean anything. They want to keep recruits and players and donors in line in case nothing happens in the end. But they're probably talking through intermediaries or something.
God, I can't wait for this to be over. My wife just called me a loser for staying on this blog so long.
First, I think Tedford might be be a possibility. The hippies in the trees that won't let them build new training facilites, the gigantic crack and fault line running through the football stadium, the troubles of recruiting Cal, and the shit he took in the SF Chronicle after the Stanford loss. If there is a year to get him this would be it.
Also, I am really bothered by the search. Either Marin is an idiot, or the "whole hiring committee (b/c they seem really pro-Miles from what I have read) and the we are interested in Miles thing" was a complete show. I don't have a problem being secretive, but it is wrong to mislead people and Miles. He was completely screwed on Sat. and if we were not interested, BM could have made an announcement saying we were not interested.
Finally, since when does integrity= hiring incompetent friends. I really like Lloyd and what he did for the program, but this Deboard and KF shit is a bit ridiculous. If integrity= hiring incompetent friends then the Bush admin. is model of integrity.
Red Berenson for AD
Hey guys, I just found out my teams going to something called the Orange Bowl. I don't like fruit very much, so I'm throwing my hat in the ring for the Michigan job!
Whomever we hire, I am sure the free press will not be breaking the story....we had two real candidates at the start,--y'all know the drill Les and KF--now we move on...Schiano is being contacted....we'll see how it goes from there....i wonder if the Grobe to Arky stuff lights a fire under this as UM had their eye on him as well, not sure how high on the list, but the interest is there...well according to the same bird, at least.
Samsoccer7- great link and article. At the end of that article is what I tend to agree with the most. The circle of in-the-know people will be very tight. You will have to be someone to get any information and that will most likely be very little.
We all need to relax and understand that we will probably be left in the dark for some time now. Unless Miles comes out and announces he's signing that contract and actually does then I have to believe he is still in the hunt. BM knows the search got all fucked up last weekend and I feel that he is not being swayed much by other opinions. He is out to hire the best coach available and to be honest it is LES MILES.
So, we will know eventually....most likely not tomorrow or the next day but somewhere between then and january 10th. Sounds like a DUH...but thats as much as anyone knows
Red would make a phenomenal AD. If only he could've NOT pissed on the library...
Michigan Student = Master of the Obvious. Also, I believe he called Bill Martin a "cagey fox" earlier.
When somebody here names their source, I'll believe it.
BILG & MDAN - 8:11 pm, 8:41 pm posts are the best on here. Thanks for sharing.
i'm now convinced that an overwhelming majority of the venom towards UM here is intentionally over the top, in the hopes of tricking the football gods into intervening. They will let Martin make some sort of out of nowhere, amazing hire that makes him look like a genius and leaves those who have bashed him so mercilessly embarassed and ashamed.
Genius move. It's the only possible explanation if Martin turns the tables and makes a home run type of hire.
oh and we could end this coachign search if we just do what i say.....ok heres my idea:
use the money to buy a shit load of electronic messengers. We will use those and the big screens at each end to have the fans pick from a pool of plays we will run each play.
For instance:
A. Zone run left
B. Deep pass to Manningham
C. Intentional sack
D. Play Action roll out pass to Tight End Butler
Defense would be:
A. Poor coverage and get burned deep
B. Lots of poor tackling
C. Get totally faked by the fake statue of liberty
D. All out blitz
The play with the most votes wins and we will run the play.
How about that guys?
I eat from a lot of food SOURCES!!
DCblue- no shit. that was the point. If you dont get that then i will say it again. NONE OF US KNOW SHIT! WE ARE ALL JUST GUESSING, THROWING OUT RUMORS, AND MAKING OUR HOPEFUL PROPHECIES AND THEORIES.
durrrrrrrrrr
Like him or not, Martin did not attain his present position by stupidity. He's working the process intelligently consistent with his perceived goals for the university. We'll know when everybody else knows and not until. Enjoy the snow; tray the Arb for me.
So, MichiganStudent, you're prior post of knowing the cagey fox was all bullshit?
Michigan Student = food. I'll eat him.
CarrOnAPopsicleStick- Thank you thank you thank you! That is the long and the short of it.
Ryan,
Yeah, I know sketchy w/ the source thing......but, I am not a reporter..not even a blogger..i am a commentator poster....lol....i could use I have a friend who knows someone line, but I wont......all I'll say is this guy passes along tidbits, i.e. injury updates, for those who might need to know for amusement purposes only....i learned from him the Saturday morning meltdown before here, although Brian was on this like flies on shit soon after, so he still gets big kudos in my book.
Oh, and he more than confirms the sailing story, also.
Dc- no no. I have met with and talked to Martin. Not recently, and definitly not about the coching search...much before this.
He is a very intelligent guy. I jsut think he is more of a secretive type, not wanting to deal with the public. It has its pros and cons, but i think its better off doing what he is doing in being private. Who knows whats going on. Until he proves he cannot hire anyone of any clout then i say he is doing the right thing.
On a side note, i hope this Les Miles shit is not over and that BM can get it back on track...
In a weird kind of way, you have to admire a guy who goes sailing in the middle of a crisis; he must have a serene confidence that all will be well in the end.
donger need food!
"Right, so the "sailing" rumor went from hilariously improbable to likely to confirmed. "
wow. how embarrassing.
Grew Up in A2:
You have got to be fucking kidding me. I can accept sailing. I can't except the treo/blackberry excuse. With that, I am out.
i ate all your good, good bye
@Tedford people
Can anyone explain to me why Tedford would be a way better hire than Kirk Ferentz? Cal went 6-6 with after being the number 2 team in the nation and their stars Desean Jackson and Justin Forsett took turns being MIA. Cal went 6-6 with NFL talent. Iowa went 6-6 with a qb who had like 3 completions against Sparty.
I'm not in love with the idea of Ferentz being the next coach but I'll take him anyday over Tedford.
@DCBlue
It all depends whether you think being "electronicsally unavailable" was an intended strategy (i.e., if BM knew he couldn't make the needed offer at that time, he chose to be "accidentally" out of touch to preserve future options).
Despite what crackberry addicts think, not every perceived crisis is an actual one.
@ hou blue
I think Stan Parrish resigned, he wasn't fired. The offense was good in 2000, but boy did it suck in '01. Still better than Da-Bored though.
Is anyone else relieved every time they come to the blog and find that there isn't an answer yet? I'm not even really hopeful anymore, just petrified of what the final result is going to be.
Urban Meyer - that's just funny, I don't care who you are.
Maybe Fred Meijer - he's from Grand Rapids and started a nice little grocery store.
Urban Meyer - hahahahha
What was the criteria for the job as laid out by our brilliant Ad again?
http://footballrumormill.com/scoop.php
I'm not sure if this has been posted but, Grobe to Arkansas.
Tedford is only good at developing quarterbacks. He'd make a great offensive co-ordiantor, not a great HC here.
I'm in ur base, killin' ur hopes
@beltway....amen brother amen
Ryan I agree with you on Tedford. Great offensive mind but not a great HC.
Don't Heisman QB winners suck in bowl games, we might get a break if Tebow wins and plays like Troy Smith did in the title game.
JHS:
Tedford's apparent loss of the Cal team following Oregon State is hugely troubling. Too reminiscent of the annual Sparty collapse.
Grew Up in A2:
Please come and tell my management that not every issue that arises is an "OMG! STOP THE PRESSES!" type of crisis.
Also can you imagine Tedford walking into some kid from Detroit's house bragging about how he developed Joey Harrington?
I sure as Hell don't want Tedford, I'm glad some other people agree with me.
Sigh...why don't you boys just drop anchor on this cruise for the pathetic and accept your coming decade of beatings.
I remember when Brian first posted the Tedford Profile in Heroism - Cal trolls came in here and said don't take him, he'll never come, etc. I wonder if they would like to get rid of him after a 6-6 year and a bell Helicopters Bowl birth.
RALLY? Do It!
I wish I was in town, I'd be all over it.
I would like for Michigan's next head coach to be Mike Ditka. You heard me. Ditka.
I don't know until this season Tedford has been good. I wonder if Tedford is getting fed up with the UC berkley admin. and the losses are a result of him putting up a good squad every year and receiving no help, money, or facilities from admin.
If Tedford really wants out of Cal, he'd go to the NFL where teams with his former QB's would covet the chance to make him their OC.
Aren't they building a new stadium in Berkeley?
Enhancement for the on-line petition:
If we can get 4,000 signatures (that's only 1% of alumns)and everyone will contribute $1,000, we can pay for Miles salary for a couple of years (seems like a small price to pay).
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Tedford's team went in the toilet right when his starting quarterback got injured, and recovered as soon as his quarterback did - that is, never.
Losing because he's fed up with alums? Come the hell on. He lost a lot of games this season because his team was predicated on solid quarterback play, and he lost his quarterback. Did Oregon lose a few games recently because Dixon got hurt, or because of issues with trees?
I reiterate: come on. Don't overthink this.
Lets say Miles gets destroyed by the Sweatervest in the bowl game. Will we want him if he's 0-2 with 2 beatdowns against St. Tressel?
Hmm. The Grobe mafia is done now. That leaves...Ferentz, Pinkel, Petersen, Hoke (Christ I can't believe I just included Hoke). Someone make this nightmare end.
I read that Carr and Miles would be together in Houston today for the Lombardi Award presentation. If so, any news on their conversation?
Looks like Ferentz is out of the picture.
http://cs.gazetteonline.com/blog...se/
default.aspx
Les Miles is an odd person.
He threw Herbie under the bus but the truth will come out, imo.
http://deathrattlesports.com/new...ohio-
state.html
He is a Michigan Man.
http://deathrattlesports.com/mic...be-the-
man.html
Erik:
Good catch on the chronic Longshore injury. I was not aware of the extent of it as reported in this story:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/ne...uwire&
type=lgns
JHS:
Unfortunately, if Miles does lose to Tressel in the BCS Championship I think it does take some of the shine off his candidacy for the Michigan job.
I may be getting a little dillusional from all this BS but now I am beginning to think Herbie was correct, that this is a done deal and Martin and Miles are playing us all. Miles wins the Championship then lets us all know that he looks forward to beating Tressel every year in conference play. Wouldn't BM and MSC look like the people we actually want them to be.
I know.... but if a man doesn't have dreams what else does he really have?
Tedford has one bad year at Cal and now he's an awful coach? The Bears were 1-11 before he was hired. Maybe he's done as much as he can with an administration that doesn't care as much about its football team. Also, Cal (UCB) and UCLA share regents. I doubt the UC regents would let two UC's get in to a bidding war over the same guy.
Schiano will not leave Jersey. At Rutgers he is Bo. At Michigan, he's the third coach after Bo. Rutgers built him a house within walking distance of the stadium. No way he leaves.
If miles loses to tressel, will that make BM like him more because he's more like lloyd carr?
also, i know that martin started out with a list of 20 candidates, is his plan to wait it out and see who is left standing at the end without a job, because if it is, hello mike debord.
Budman- agreed. Les is starting to change his mind again and its obvious. He will be at michigan, i know he wants to be here. I speculate that it will be so after the NC game and kicking those fucking buckeyes back to their inbred state. Fucking uneducated bafoons
@Erik
I not saying Tedford lost on purpose. I am just saying that coaching D1 football is an enormous time commitment that takes a huge amount of personal devotion. (Especially if your team has injuries at key positions b/c the amount of work to bring a underclass QB up to speed is ridiculous.) If your drive is even slightly hindered (b/c you want to retire, or you are fed. up) you may lose a bad game to App. state or have a slide at the end of the season with a hurt QB.
Inetersting articel from Wojnowski. Also indicates that Ferentz is no longer being considered
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...1131/
SPORTS0201
Fire this clown now...
From what I have read, Mile's new contract will have the same buyout option of 1.25 mill. if he were to jolt for the Mich. job. Of course he now will be offered, and take, prob in the 4-5.5 mill range at LSU. So if I am not mistaken this works out for Miles and Michigan in the sence that there is no distraction for his team and Mich. can buy him out and offer the same after the nat. champ game. I would say the cherry on top would be LSU losing that game, but I'd rather Appy State win it then that team down south!
Talking about Miles's record against OSU right now is retarded. OSU hired John Cooper because he was 1-0 against Michigan. How'd that work out?
Hey Brian - can we get a profile in heroism on Schiano? Seems like he's the rumour du jour, and I clearly need more content to eliminate any productivity I may have had during this search.
Wojo seems to suggest that they're moving on from Les. Now, you could read into this that nobody is saying if Bass has had contact since Sunday. I think it's entirely possible that there is still some talking through the back channels.
FWIW
http://newsok.com/article/317761...7617/
1196916786
You remember Jeni from such films as "I'M A MAN- I'M 40! - The Muke Gundy Story"
From a wire article about Grobe to Ar-Kansas, relevant here:
Bradbury's hesitation to confirm Grobe's actual hiring is understandable. The Razorbacks hired Dana Altman as basketball coach earlier this year. Altman then changed his mind and went back to Creighton the next day.
Les Miles will be the next coach of the University of Michigan. Book it.
It's odd how you don't follow the GVSU connection on all of this.
Bob Wojnowski
Martin says he's sticking to his plan!
If I read one (maybe 5 or 6) more bad thing about our coaching search I'm going to gouge my eyes out. There is no possible way that this could be going any worse.
I'm laughing on the outside, but inside I'm crying.
bk,bh,cm
How much longer can this go on?
I'm an IU fan who's been following this story regularly since it started. Having been through some insane coaching searches in the past few years, I can say that this one is extremely bizarre.
I just read that Wojnowski column where he interviews Bill Martin. Good lord. I thought we had some pipsqueak incompetent jerkwad ADs in Clarence Doninger and Rick Greenspan, but Martin really takes the cake. "There are times you've got to stand tall and follow your process"...phew. No wonder the coaching search is so lengthy and confusing --- Martin's too busy nailing himself to crosses to actually interview anyone.
We should drop football. Then, when the riff-raff quits wearing their tacky M gear and bitching non-stop 24/7 about everything because they know soooo much better, we can bring it back at DII and beat the ever loving shit out of GVSU every year.
That's my suggestion.
Hire the chimp.
"Fucking uneducated bafoons"
MichiganStudent | 12.06.07 - 2:09 am
Yess, suree. Wish I's coud spel like them mishegun studants.
Let me guess, UM Education Department?
Can we stop saying anything about Debord? He has NO SHOT. If either of the assistants has a shot, it's English.
That's according to common sense as well as EVERY SINGLE REPORT THAT'S BEEN REPORTED.
Shut up about Debord.
hai guyz i herd deboard might be head coach if miles isnt kidnpapped and brought to ann arbor in the dark of night?
f-you bhill martin u r a poopy head i shuld be the AD becauz i wood give miles whatev he wanted this blog sucks u all suck michigan is going to loose every game nxt year if they rilly do hire deboard i hope the regfents dump MSC that bitch every1 nows a woman cant have abnything to do with football unless she is bonin a coach or somethin!!!1!!!
I know this is a shot in the dark, but maybe someone on here is looking at MArtin right now? can you plaese tell him to call KING GROBE! before the announcement.....
read this:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
s...,6214376.column
urban meyer? holy shit. . . . . . . .
If we lose Grobe, I have to pick a new coach to throw my ravenous passion behind. Any suggestions? Besides Chuck Martin?
Work sucks when you don't have anything positive to read about our search. Work drags on when you got Bears Redskins tickets and are itching to go start tailgating... Go Bears!
Just read Brian's post again (after a good nights sleep).
The NCAA tampering rule (for athletes) prohibits "direct or INDIRECT contact".
Is the same true for coaches?
If so, what in the world is the LSU AD saying? He expected Martin to violate the rule?
If there is no rule, wouldn't indirect contact violate the spirit if not the letter of the concept of tampering?
If the quote attributed to the LSU AD is true, this sounds like a bunch of 10 years olds in the schoolyard. Billy can't talk to Les -- But, Billy can talk to Jim who can talk to Alice who can talk to Les.
Are you kidding me?
Is this really the process?
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Fernando:
No wonder the coaching search is so lengthy and confusing --- Martin's too busy nailing himself to crosses to actually interview anyone.
Truly inspired.
Thanks for the brief moment of levity in this painful time!
Michigan should hire Bill Belichick. He is a great coach. The NFL is notorious for a short leash- he might get fired in 2 years. Michigan is very popular. They have nice colors.
/see how easy this is?
//just because some two bit hack columnist suggests it doesn't make it any closer to being true
More on quote attributed to LSU AD
"I don't think anyone would try to speak to Les before the SEC title game, but that doesn't mean they couldn't speak to his agent (George Bass) before the game or at any time," Bertman said by telephone from his home."
Why would any sane person say this?
Is Bertman saying that Martin could talk to Les's agent but Les's agent could not (or would not) talk to Les?
What would be the point of that?
If Bertman is saying that indirect contact is OK but direct is not, he is completely delusional -- what would be the difference in the end result?
Or, was he pissed at M and just wanted to get in a dig?
I'm confused -- help anyone??!!!
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Well.......at the end of the day, we (Michigan) can say we stayed true to our word. We agreed to NOT talk to Miles until AFTER the SECCG, and by God, we didn't. Congrats to us for being a "school of character."
blah blah blah. The entire nation is reading that Miles was trying to get ahold of "us" but we were busy sailing in the Gulf of Mexico. PLUS we're too incompetent to figure out modern day technology.
Welcome to the People's Republic of Ann Arbor. Home of the stodgy old crumudgeons.
That Sentinel column is just to stir up the Floridians. Dumb.
The Cajuns pulled a fast one over the "brainiacs" from Ann Arbor.
From that on article on Meyer:
"Put him in a program like Michigan, and what changes?
Michigan wouldn't lose to the likes of Appalachian State."
We don't lose to the "likes" of App. State, we lost to App State. There is a difference. Its not like we lost to ASU, YSU, or any other 1aa team. Until this year we've always beaten cupcakes. Its not like we're losing to MAC teams or anything.
Just another pointless article, Meyer would be a coach at UM, but odds are he's not even interested.
Maybe Andrea Adelson could take a break from writing children's fairy tales and BLOW ME!
That sentinel article is why people dislike newspapers/journalists/columinsts.....what crap. That was 1000 words and not a fact anywhere in there as far as the actual coaching search....that was written to creat controversy and get people responding to the their message boards....hey lady, get out of your office, put down your cappucino and get out there and break a story or cover a team!
hmmmm, Urban Meyer. . . .see GulfCoastWolverine's posts from last night, then combine them with Orlando Sentinal feature posted, kinda makes you wonder who that "donor" was on Bill Martin's boat last Friday in Key Largo when Les Miles' agent was trying to call. . . maybe that was Urban Meyer's agent? Or Urban Meyer himself out sailing with Bill? just a thought to try to perk myself up a bit and get back thinking positive. . . .
Anyone listen to ESPN radio yesterday...Anything wonderful or amazing was "Brady". Things less so were "MedioCarr".
Have a Brady Day !!
Wow. Welcome to Day 16 (not looking up actual dates) of Michigan Delusion-fest 07.
We. Are. Not. Hiring. Urban. Meyer.
On a boat is south Florida only means one thing:
Shula
Oh god..not shula..
How about that hotshot Cam Cameron?
Cam cameron and Randy shannon....
I think I need professional health. Any suggestions? Here's the problem: I can talk myself into thinking any flavor-of-the-day candidate is the one for me. And then that guy gets removed from the list. I talked myself into Ferentz and then he went away. I talked myself into Miles. And then he went away — and came back — and went away again. Ferentz is back? Hello, dear old friend! Oops. Bye. I love Grobe. Arkansas? WTF? I'll miss you. I now find myself pining after Hoke and English. Help me.
If Bo were alive today, Cam Cameron would be a legitimate candidate (and perhaps the LEADING candidate).
The Lord works in mysterious ways...............thankfully.
Count me in for the Ceveland sit in - just let me know where
Dex,
nobody believes that. we're just poking fun at the Sentinel Columnist.
Schiano, on the other hand, I am hearing we're seeking him out now. We'll see if Brian digs anything up on this one.
Hey whatever happened to Chris Perry? I know his in cincy but he never seems to play
Cmon all, lets come back from la la land.
Now that Ferentz and Grobe are off "the list" and I have to believe that Hoke is simply a career/courtesy thing, where does that leave us?
Miles, English. Is there anyone else?
Kelly from all accounts has never been a candidate nor has martin much to the chagrin of the GVSU mafia.
Bo loved Cameron....called him Crafty Cam because he was an offensive whiz.
Perry is chronically injured.
It leaves us with DeBord!!
The whole reason Lloyd announced so early was for recruiting and so that we could act quickly and get someone else in. Although nobody has decommitted, this time without a coach cant be helping. Secondly, We are sitting on the side as coach after coach gets signed. We are going to be left with nobody to choose from and it will be early January. Which begs the question: Why didnt Lloyd just wait, and Les would have been a done deal? This is a complete bungle from the top down, and the program will suffer as a result. Unless we hire Stoops, and announce it today at noon.
the problem is, i havent heard of anyone contacting anyone...
im getting this picture, of a search committe, arguing the merits of a bunch of guys on a list, and like a jury, not moving untill they have a unimous descion... problem is, other schools are acting...
i may be wrong, becasue i dont know anything about how this works... im a football guy, not an administrator....
Cam Cameron is a monumental douchebag!
Saw perry his rookie year vs. the Bucs. 3 carries, 2 fumbles. Yeeesh.
And, at least Shula is this. At least he is in those commercials.
*Shula is thin, not this.
I need some Prozac. I know it is delusional to think about Meyer. But as I said last night, even though we don't have a shot at him, wouldn't Martin at least calling him mean that we haven't given up on something like Hoke or DeBord? God, I'm going to vomit.
gsimmons,
Have fun in Arkansas....lol
Has anyone heard whether Peterson is a legitimate candidate or not? Not whether he's capable, but whether there has been any mutual interest shown or whether he's on "the list."
Hey maybe we are holding out for Bobby Bowden to retire from FSU and we can snag him... hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
ahhahahahahah... but seriously it makes as much sense as whats going on right now
I still wonder why Petersen's name doesn't come up.
That's it! Get Lou Holtz on the phone.
well i did play in arkansas, so i guess i could find a job there.... gah... as if acc territory isnt bad enough....
maybe its all a smoke screen, KING GROBE enters the room,, his DC puts an arkanas shirt over him, then shakes his head no, throws it to the side, and reaches for the big BLOCK M....
this sucks....
OK, trolls win. I'm going to work so the trolls can continue from Mommy's basement.
gsimmons-
I think we have to assume BM and the committe (if there is such a thing) is making contact through back channels (despite BM's adherence to the rules as far as Miles and LSU are concerned). I mean, they can't have spent the past week or so just sorting resumes, right?
This week, Michigan Man Cam Cameron continues to strive for 0-16 NFL perfection at Buffalo!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
What trolls are you talking about? The people who don't bring up a name that has been discussed 20 times in the past 3 days?
trueblue i hope your right.... i hope its not that they think that once they decide on a candidate they figure he will except no matter what, becasue we are michigan....by everything people are saying, we are now down to our 4th or 5th choice?
Grobe (WF) to Arkansas is being confirmed down here. Johnson (Navy) to either Eastern Carolina or SMU very likely, with Duke an outside shot. He's not going to GT.
With fewer legit candidates as time goes by, that is going to leave Michigan with its only alternative, Mike (I have head coaching experience but don't look at my record) DeBord.
With our wonderful AD setting up the committee the way he did, adhering to a glacial process, and with the "hire a Lloyd clone" status quo goal, this is the inevitable outcome.
@bluewolverine
They are a classy 0-16 though.
is Michigan a classy 8-4?
I had dinner with Tom Collins last night... not looking forward to the next few weeks.
As a Buc's fan, I wish the Dolphins could have gotten Brady Quinn and Ginn, so they both could suffer.
That being said, without actually playing QB, Quinn sure does have a bunch of commercials, making me loathe him even more.
BLue Durham...
so far over here in gboro, news out of winston salem has to do with the reports out of Arkansas that the board apporved a salary for KING GROBE, but that GROBE has not agreed nor has been offically offered the job. its almost like he is WAITING FOR SOMETHING?!!!!! PLEASE SOMEONE CALL HIM QUICK>>>>> now having said that, maybe it is already a done deal...
Lets fast forward to Dec 2009:
Brian Kelly, replacing a fired Charlie 'schematic advantage' Weis, leads Notre Dame to a BCS Bowl in his first year. Of course, haters will say BK did it with Charlie's recruits, but give the guy credit, it'll be his fourth program he'll have turned around in 4 tries.
Greg Schiano, replacing a dead Joe Paterno, leads Penn State to a New Year's day bowl.
Bobby Petrino, in his first year replacing fired Kirk Ferentz, leads Iowa back to respectability and a bowl game.
Jim Grobe leads Arkansas to SEC West title and shot at SEC title, defeating Les Miles along the way.
Jim Harbaugh has built Stanford into a perennial PAC 10 contender.
Chris Pederson leads Boise State to yet another matchup against a BCS school, in a BCS bowl.
And finally, Ron English, is overseeing Michigan FB practices, preparing Ryan Mallett and Sam McGuffie for their second consecutive "homecoming" bowl in San Antonio...
And we Michigan fans will be left to ponder, how did Sparty, Iowa and Penn State pass us up in the past two years???
gsimmons --
Well, no matter who we hire, the official position will be that that guy was the #1 choice from the very beginning. The delay was merely to complete the "process."
I've said this before, but I'm still surprised that we're not even looking at top coordinators.
And finally, I suspect the guys that UM is really interested in probably aren't the names that are bandied about. With a guy like BM, if there's any smoke, it was probably a fire started by someone else.
gsimmons,
No, we are at are #3 as it looks like it was 2-way race w/ Miles and Ferentz....i think those were the only two people legitmately pursured in the last week.....we wasted time going back to Ferentz.....i was told Grobe was on the list of next candidates after that, and if we missed a shot to consider him while we let KF waffle and turn us down a second time.....well, that is just no way to treat a King.
I know it wont happen, but it would be cool to see a Grobe offense with McFadden as a tailback.
You’re the CEO of the L Corporation in Baton Rouge. You love your job and have no intention of leaving. But, since you never know when “an offer you can’t refuse” might come along, you always keep your options open.
The CEO of the M Corporation in Ann Arbor retires. You started your career at M Corp and became a low level executive. You are originally from that area.
The press asks you if you are interested in the CEO job at M. You are very happy at L Corp but keep your options open in your reply.
The fiscal year ends in 2 weeks. Professional ethics dictates that M Corp would usually not contact you until the end of the fiscal year.
There is absolutely no direct or indirect contact between any of the parties but speculation in the press runs rampant. The next week the stock of L Corp plummets (perhaps based on the rumors you are leaving). The board of directors of L Corp get really nervous and decide to double your pay, provide a zillion stock options, and include a golden parachute.
You are considering their offer when the press reports that; “You have taken the job at M
Corp”. You love L Corp and know that this report (although completely false) could mean the stock hits rock bottom.
Therefore, you go public and announce you are staying at L Corp.
.
dex:
I would be perfectly happy if Michigan football went 0-12 every year as long as those losses were achieved with the highest levels of class and integrity.
If King Grobe goes elsewhere, it will require a huge paradigm shift for me to stay optimisitc. I've invested way too much time talking myself into him.
Martin says he's sticking to his plan in search for coach
Bill Martin knew the charges before they were even levied. He's not being aggressive enough, not willing to pay enough. He let Les Miles slip away, either through arrogance or indifference, and he's botching Michigan's search for a football coach.
If Martin is staggered by any of this, he sure doesn't sound like it. Amid a swirl of speculation and insinuations, Michigan's athletic director is undaunted. Nearly three weeks since Lloyd Carr's retirement, there's a plan in place. He swears.
"We established a process and I am following that process, and from my perspective it is working," Martin said Wednesday night. "It's been tougher than I thought, but it's not that the process is flawed. It's the degree of commentary and spin. Some of the stuff that people are saying is just totally off the wall. But the plan is working fine."
You mean, in light of the aborted pursuit of Miles, the backup plan?
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"I don't have a backup plan," Martin said quickly. "I have a plan."
Martin wouldn't give an indication which direction he's going, or what the latest recommendations are from his search committee. It does appear Michigan is moving away from any chase of Kirk Ferentz, who makes nearly $3 million annually at Iowa. Miles, who will make about $3.2 million in his amended deal with LSU, remains the choice of many connected to Michigan. With LSU in the national championship game, reviving the pursuit would be problematic, but not impossible.
Where the process stands is unclear, but these are the names Michigan likely has considered: Rutgers' Greg Schiano, Wake Forest's Jim Grobe (who could be headed to Arkansas), Ball State's Brady Hoke and Michigan assistants Ron English and Mike DeBord.
My suggestion, once again, is Schiano, if it can't be Miles. Schiano, 41, is young and aggressive and in many ways fits the Michigan mind-set with his team's tough-running style. Like Miles, Schiano also would bring a fresh approach, although it won't be easy to get him because he's a New Jersey guy supposedly pegged to replace Joe Paterno at Penn State.
Pressure grows
The pressure is mounting on Martin, who has to know he can't play it too safe or too cheap. I'll say it again: If Michigan picked a coach because he'd take less money and stir fewer ripples, it would be ridiculous. As competition in the Big Ten and elsewhere grows, Michigan must react, and Martin says he is.
"Am I being aggressive? Yes I am -- period," he said.
"I've said we could go as high as double what Lloyd made ($1.5 million). Money is not the issue. I want to bring the absolute best coach to Michigan. I'm not going to be carefree with money, but we will be very, very competitive."
Many are furious Martin didn't land Miles, although people had to know it was going to be tricky. I asked Martin about the e-mail writing effort from fans and former players to revi
What about the guy at F corp?
if Bill Martin, or anyone else in the university tries to say that whoever we get was choice #1 all along and that the delay was just for the process to run its course (unless it's Miles, Meyer, or Stoops), I will turn in my diploma.
A vain attempt at clarification:
1. Unless the "amended" Les Miles contract does not get signed today, that issue is finished. The horse will be dead and it will be time to dismount.
2. We can disregard any columnist who writes about who they "think" Michigan should hire. Unless that column is based on solid information about actual discussions withi a candidate, then BFD.
3. We cannot rule out anyone who has had discussions with Martin. This means we can't rule out English, DeBoard or Hoke who are the ONLY people we are sure of with whom Martin has discussed the position. They are real live candidates, whether we like it or not.
4. Martin has talked to no one else that we know of. If Martin had asked permission to speak to another coach, these discusions could not remain secret. Without any evidence of this, this "search" seems to have no sense of urgency whatsoever. And that's my biggest gripe about the whole thing. I don't care if you try and fail. I care deeply if you don't try.
Heinous:
I disagree that talks with other candidates could not remain secret. I also submit that the talks with English, Debord, and Hoke are absolutely there for show - they're nothing more than window dressing on the process and talks done out of courtesy only.
What the deuce??.. I am the next coach at Michigan
Heinous: remember when the first news of Martin talking to Belein came as "Michigan will announce Belein after the NIT Championship game"? I think it's entirely possible that Martin has spoken to people without public knowledge.
Basically agree with R-Lew (!). I do think there could be slightly more smoke there with English, merely because he was called back for a 2nd interview, which could indicate interest. Of course, he's actively interviewing for other jobs, so it could just be a way of stringing him along.
Oops, didn't finish the Les Miles analogy:
The stock of L Corp (that had been #1 before it plummeted) completely recovers.
M Corp hires the CEO from a small corporation in North Carolina and outperforms L Corp for the next 10 years!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't know if this has already been discussed, but Grobe is on his way to Arkansas, apparently. From the AP (via CNNSI), link here.
(sigh), I'm getting a little tired of seeing BM, MSC, and Llllloyd bank so hard on Ferentz, while the rest of the good coaches get taken. Even though we're Michigan, we do still need to pick up the phone and call these coaches. "The job seeks you," remember?
Chitownblue: I hope you're correct about BM perhaps being able to talk to someone in secret, except that this thing has such a higher degree of visibiity than the Beilein hire. There are many more of my old daily newspaper colleagues sniffing around it and many more people willing to leak information.
right now, the sailboat towards mediocrity is seeking Michigan FB
Of every possible name, and I mean every name, tossed out there, I am willing to give them all a fair chance to succeed if hired with the exception of DeBord. The only way you will see me fly into the apocalyptic rage that so many have given into is if they announce DeBord.
Count me in the camp that Martin contacting someone isn't necessarily going to make it into the news. We put a lot of faith in these anonymous internet sources. A little much.
Thanks, Chitown - hatchet buried...
I'll speculate that the increased interest in English is that he's either someone they really want to keep around or someone that would be sort of a last resort fall-back candidate.
I also agree that Martin, despite his apparent flaws, is probably capable of doing what he did with Beilein, and that we may not hear the name of the guy they're really after until the thing is all but done...
CHi, and others of the KING GROBE mafia,
i appologize for my compelling arguments in favor of grobe, it really was only in response to one of brian's posts, where he seems to think he would have been a joke of a candidate, i never heard anything that michigan was in talks with him, or that he was even interested in michigan. If indeed he does go to the razorbacks, well, that just sucks... could i ever really convince myself to say, hog-sewey?
yeah cfaller, we have been talking about it, still nothing from the grobe or arksas camp that a deal has been reached, only that the money has been aproved....
Again, looking ahead to Dec 2009:
Butch Jones will have led CMU to their third MAC title in four years.
gsimmons: not your fault, I had started to talk myself into Grobe well before our paths crossed. Of the names that are being bandied about by the media, he struck me as the only one with X & O chops, a strong record of developing players, ingenuity, and the ability to work at a University with Academic standards.
Of course, maybe the list the press is flinging around is BS, and we'll land a whale. But I still like Grobe.
Jim Grobe gone off the shelf..no rain checks in coaching folks. I see Martin strategy working now. Wait until all the bumper coaches have signed somewhere else so your forced into Ferentz, Debord or English...thats crafty....
Charlie Weis is a whale; hopefully we don't land him...
remember when the worldwide consensus was that we should hire Tubby Smith for our basketball search? then about 50% of the way thru the process he was announced at Minnesota? and the whining from Ann Arbor was deafening? i've crossed the line from being pissed to forcing myself to have faith that something positive is going to evolve at the finish line of the football search. this could be entirely self-delusion, but i can't help it. i can't grind mentally like this any more. . . .and wouldn't it be something to watch Meyer cross the field after beating Michigan 40-0 in the CapOne Bowl and be announced as the new UM coach? just a mind picture, but something positive to dream about. . . . .
I heard Matt Millen is on the 7-man search committee
Enjoy Life-
There is the public search and the private search. The public search follows a certain protocol, where there are formal rules, timelines, and interviews. But almost all of the preliminary work is done through headhunters and agents.
The headhunter calls the agent: "Would xxx be interested?" Agent says "Yes." Headhunter then goes back to AD. This little dance continues until a deal is hammered out. This gives everyone plausible deniability. It's why Miles agent can say "We never heard directly from Michigan." It enables the AD to say "We have had no formal contact." It's the way the business works.
There are two scenarios with the Les Miles situation.
1) Martin was never really interested.
2) Martin was interested but dropped the ball into the Gulf of Mexico during his sailing trip.
Either one is really, really bad for us. Hope that helps.
Dex,
I was referring to MallettFumblesSnaps who I hadn't previously thought was a troll. He may just be asking me and others to think rationally. If so, I plead guilty.
I believe that the SS Miles has sailed away. We need to be thinking about quality and not only Midwest people with ties to Coach Carr. I know I'm preaching to the choir on that one.
Who and what did I say now??? There is also a Mallet Fumbles I think...
Plus I'm a female.. female troll?
Heinous:
If L. Miles buyout clause is the same in the new "amended" contract, he's in exactly the same position to leave as he has been all year. In fact, he doesn't look like a Saban if he decides to eat the 1.25 million to come to Michigan for 3 million, as opposed to staying at LSU for 4 million.
The chances of this happening are the same as me stealing Giselle from Tom Brady, but I'm just saying. The new contract, if the buyout is the same, doesn't mean shit.
FUCKING ARKANSAS IS ALREADY DONE...granted it is Arkansas, but my GOD, they did a very good job at going after Grobe. Pulled the trigger and looked like he is there. How long is Martin going to sit on his hands? I am all for being patient, but it's hard to be patient when candidates are being nabbed by other teams.
it's not a new contract. It's just an amendment of the old contract. DCBlue is right, it doesn't change a thing (*except his paycheck, which will be substantially larger). Les Miles is not off limits even if the amendment goes through. It will just take a real push and a realistic salary offer to get him here, but I have very little faith that BM has the capacity to "let 'er rip"
gsimmons85 - I am with you. I have followed WF since I moved down here 11 years ago (no point in following Duke - although I can get tickets to any football game, BB not so much) and Grobe has been terrific.
I am confident that Bill Martin will pursue in all haste and give Grobe a call in a few days.
In other news, M baskeball vs Duke on saturday for your viewing pleasure. The hits just keep on comming.
DCBlue:
Glad to see you back so early.
The question is: Is there such a thing as a HOT female troll ?
yeah a few days too late it appears
This coaching search is boring. Can I wake up one morning and see that something happened?
In related news, Bill Martin was fixed his malfunctioning blackberry and was finally able to place calls today to Bo Pelini, Tommy Tuberville, and Jim Grobe, only to find out that they had already accepted other jobs. BM, who doesn't read the newspaper, was unaware of these developments. However, he assured everyone that the Michigan search is proceeding as planned.
@gsimmons
You bastard, roping me into the Grobe camp only to have my hopes dashed in hours.
My only question is, leader, who do we support now? I respect your football judgment. I'm out of ideas now!
Christian:
Ex-King Grobe got hired - that happened...
We should form a 7-man search committee to see if there is such a thing as a "hot female troll".
I wish I were still in college so that instead of being at work waiting for news, I could be still asleep, about to wake up in 2 hours with a ridiculous hangover, go to class (maybe) and then come back and sleep again.
R-Lew,
That's not exactly exciting - maybe if I was an Arkansas fan.
If Michigan actually does name Brady Hoke as HC, and with all that has gone on in the last two weeks adding up to the next hire going directly onto the Hot Seat, I'll put the odds at 2-1 that UM will be on probation for recruiting violations within five years, and Hoke will be canned after three.
I don't like Schiano. I don't like Tedford. I'm unaware of anyone else the media has been mentioning, now that Overlord Grobe, and Ferentz seem to be out of the picture. Oh, and O'Brien. I don't like O'Brien.
right on atl
just started working 3 months ago, it's already killing me.
From King Grobe to Boss Hog? Sounds like a demotion to me.
Hoke= not a candidate...like i said in my post last night....at best they chatted with him. It was done to prop his credibility up for other jobs.....i stand by my offer to host a mgobloghead tailgate for the Utah opener if he becomes the HC....of course, nobody here would probably even go to the game in the unlikely event of that happening.
Just a thought: did ANYONE have any clue Arky was sniffing around Grobe until the deal was announced? I don't recall hearing of it.
My point is this: I think whomever we hire is not anyone who has been announced as a "candidate" so far. Martin is actually conducting a strong coaching search, but cloaking it with this big sham of bumbling incompetence.
Thats what I am hoping, anyway. Because to believe anything else is only gonna piss me off more.
"This coaching search is boring. Can I wake up one morning and see that something happened?"
I think it's just my pessimism, but I've been relieved each morning to find out nothing has happened. I finally placed the feeling...it's like when you think you might have bombed a test, and you look at where the scores are posted, only to find out they're not up yet. You still have that nervous feeling, but you're relieved that you can live in ignorance for a little while longer.
Has anyone heard anything about potential NFL guys we may be going after? I know Martin said he wants a head coach with experience - but I didn't know if he ruled out NFL guys. Anyone know?
Beltway,
Well said - feel the same way.
The more I obsess about it, and as I slowly slip into insanity, the only two possible scenerios now are: (1) Miles or (2) some other of the Blue sensations that will floor everyone.
I mean, if they hire English (I'm not even going to mention DeB....) or some douche like Brady Hoke the alumni will riot -- I actually donate to the athletic department, and I know I'd actually send and email and make a phone call which I NEVER normally would even think of.
I'm rationalizing, I know, but I haven't billed 4 legitmately client hours over the last three days, that's how obsessed with this I am
@Scalz1 Did you see my last note about the monster truck show yesterday ??
Something like this should have happened a year ago:
(LM) Hello?
(BM) Hey Les, this is Bill Martin.
(LM) Hiya, Bill, good to hear from you. Awful news about Bo...
(BM) Yes, we're all pretty devastated around here. Les, just want you to know that we hope you can make it to Bo's funeral...lots of guys would like to see you.
(LM) Thanks, Bill, I really appreciate it. I don't know if I can make it, what with the games coming up.
(BM) I understand totally. Uh, Les, something else I just want to say. It's no secret that Lloyd will be leaving pretty soon, maybe even after next season. There are many people who would love to see you here in Ann Arbor. Of course you know that's all I can say right now, but just wanted to let you know you've got a lot of support around here.
(LM) Uh, yeah, it's no secret that I love Michigan and Ann Arbor.
(BM) But something else, Les, I'll be straight with you, there are others here who have a beef with you about some stuff. Bo would be pissed as hell if it got in the way of something good for Michigan. We'd have to deal with it way before anything with Lloyd became official, because once that happens, whenever it is, there's no time to deal with it then. It really should be handled before next season, to tell you the truth. I don't care if it's handwritten letters, or phone calls at home or a face-to-face, but it would have to be resolved one way or the other. And of course I can't be directly involved. If it doesn't get resolved I would have to look at other people, and that would disappoint a lot of people in the Michigan family. I think John Wangler might like to talk with you about this.
(LM) Uh, yeah, absolutely. I know a bunch of the guys live around Ann Arbor anyhow, like Wangs, and maybe I can come up after the season's over and get together with people. I'll give him a call and see about stuff.
(BM) That sounds great. Good luck.
(LM) You too. See ya.
Obviously that's just the start, and there's no assurance that whatever the problems are that they would have been worked out. But the point is that Martin should have entered the official phase of the search with a clear yes/no stance on Miles already, and he should not have required a face-to-face meeting with him before making a decision on a contract offer. That should have been determined months and months ago.
DCBlue,
On point.
I'm still waiting for someone to blow me.
Don't think so .. went home at 40 or so, and I didn't want to bring myself down looking at this.
What was it ?
I don't know what happened in the coaching search but I do know two things: (1) Miles wanted the job,
(2) UM's Athletic Department didn't really want him. So whether they have a wonderful candidate who is a secret, forget Miles. He'd probably still accept if offered (although I've heard he is shocked by the anti-Miles sentiment inside the AD and was worried about that) but it will never happen.
Yes KING GROBE's name was mentioned with ARK. after clemson resigned their man, GROBE was number 2 on thier list, just like he is on a lot of peoples lists....
im thinking on my next choice now fellow mafianians.....
*4 or so, I meant.
Les Miles is gone, Paul Johnson, and Jim Grobe are probably gone, but fear not, M fans! We still have Ferentz and Debord!
Umm...yay.
@Hobo
I told you, when Stoops is hired I'm on my knees.
Assuming Martin hasn't skinned you yet.
gsimmons - please don't say Schiano.
wing nut, that has been my hope through this whole thing as well...
just really got excited when someone in the michgian camp brought up KING GROBE'S name....
How about Norv Turner...he might be out of a job in a few weeks.
dont worrie, i wont.....
Last trip to monster trucks at the citrus bowl we werent there 10 minutes and while standing in line for the bathroom.. kid about 21 or so runs in the womens bathroom exit obviously drunk..and tosses cookies into the trash can..then promptly gets escorted out by security...
And I'm glad we've resorted to roleplaying conversations between Martin and Miles now.
Central Florida at it's finest. That's why I love it here.
@ dex
The Chargers just announced yesterday that Norv Turner will still be the head coach in 2008.
perhaps king grobe, in his infinite wisdom, is flirting with ar-kansas, to get a better deal from michigan... its almost like grobe said to the pigs, how much are you willing to pay, and the board gets a plan together, now KING GROBE waits....
If the Grobe-gang disbands, I'm afraid the GVSU mafia will start charging me "protection" money.
I prefer "King Grobe now sits in judgement..."
is a stoops mafia out of the question?
how about anyone from his staff?
For those hoping we'll call up all the best coaches and throw out a huge number, this is what Martin said in an interview w/ Wojnowski: "I've said we could go as high as double what Lloyd made ($1.5 million)"
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs...1131/
SPORTS0201
I guess Stoops ($3.4m) is out.
How come some of you guys dont like Schiano?
Is SMU really a better job than Navy?
Damn you Norv, damn you! I wanted his bumbling incompetence on our sidelines!
No assistants...BM made that clear.
king grobe to boss hog, that was the funniest post i have ever seen....
I am not on board for a Stoops mafia. Let's keep it realistic.
Plus I have to blow a hobo if they hire him.
GSimmons,
Are you thinking of creating a Venables Mafia?
Hobos all over the country are pulling(zing!!!) for you, Dex.
I think if they are publicly willing to go to $3 million, privately they would find a way to pay more. Lots of money is promised "off the books".
"How come some of you guys dont like Schiano?"
If he can convince us he won't leave for PSU in a couple years, I'd be fine w/ Schiano. Just as long as he doesn't bring that lame-ass chopping wood slogan with him.
I might get in on a Brent Venables mafia, but the problem is we're digging a hole before we even start because Sailboat Bill has said "no coordinators."
Personally, I would prefer that we nickname him Heckuva Job Martini, rather than Sailboat Bill...
Here we sit, open check book in hand, great job open.
Is it possible tha the job is not as great as we think it is?
god if ithought there was any chance at all,,,, an "HIS HONORABLE Venables" mafia, would make KING GROBE look like a cub scout pack...
Who knew that Martin was going after Beilen? The same holds rue in this search. Most coaches would rather it not be known if they are looking at a new position and Martin rightly is not going to be open about what he is doing. Hanging him for this is ridiculous. If Miles is to be the coach, which is doubtful, I would be shocked if it was annouced before the bowl games. Any coach that is hired nby another school before ours is announced is either being passed over by M or is not interested in this job. That is certain. Martin is a workaholic detail man and undoubtedly has a better grasp on what is going on than people give him credit for. Cool your jets and save the venum unless a poor selection is made... which would supprise me.
Jamie,
I don't think we're a good fit for Schiano:
1. His recruiting classes contain a fair amount of JUCO players - people that, in general, Michigan won't consider.
2. Rutgers has also notably taken a few academic non-qualifiers - which Michigan has a policy not to do.
3. Rutgers is one of 6 Bowl-bound teams who fail to meet the NCAA's benchmark score on the "Academic Progress Rate" - joining C. Florida, LSU, Ohio St., Michigan St., and UCONN.
As much as we like to ignore the academic side of things, I don't really think that Michigan is willing to compromise on these issues.
@S. Fla
Sure, but that goes both ways. Stoops is "publicly" making $3.4.
For anyone who's interested in how the coach searches actually work, please read this story. Make's Martin's whole "I have my principles" argument ludicrous.
sorry. here's link.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/c...us-
neinas_x.htm
DCBlue:
You can get away with your non-billing ways. Associates, on the other hand, are in serious danger because of this search. I'll appreciate your considering my resume when this thing ends...
Martin, the man who brought Appalachian State to Michigan Stadium!
Martin, the man who blew off Les Miles!
Martin, the man who hired....
God, I'm afraid finish the sentence.
If we must stick to head coaches, here are some semi-random names that I don't think we've talked about..
Pat Hill, Fresno St.
Randy Edsall, UCONN
Shane Montgomery, Miami (OH)
Bronco Mendenhall, BYU
Gary Patterson, TCU
I do not officially advocate any of these candidates. Nor do I know anything about them really. But they seem to have achieved moderate to good success at institutions with severe limitations.
my biggest fear, is that a "michigan direction school candidate" will get the job...
Thank God I work for the government. No billables for me. If I was still in private practice during this debacle I'd be a dead man right now.
"I'm rationalizing, I know, but I haven't billed 4 legitmately client hours over the last three days, that's how obsessed with this I am."
DCBlue...I think I love you. LOL
Seriously, isn't it great to be able to talk (even if it sometimes turns into bitching) with other Blue fans whenever you want (thanks, Brian!).
"Is it possible the job isn't as great as we think?"
Hmmmm, let me think. Obviously, we're not privy to the inner workings of the search, but, as this and other threads have shown, almost everyone thinks some amount of bungling and input/veto power from Lloyd Carr has come into play. At the very least, Carr has a role in the process and will likely be staying as an associate AD.
Bo kept an office in Shembechler Hall after he retired, just down the hall from L.C.'s. L.C., while he might not have an office in the football building, will most definately be around the program (maybe not with L. Miles, one of the best reasons to hire him in my opinion). I've got to think alot of coaches would say "fuck that -- the place is incestuous." It IS incestuous -- think of the inbreeding that's gone on since 1969. 38 years with no real new blood. That could scare away some people, especially ones already at an established program. Just my two cents.
@Chitownblue 00
Part of that, though, might just be because that's all he can get while recruiting to Rutgers. If he were at Michigan, he'd have a much easier time getting qualifying players. Don't get me wrong, Schiano is not my first choice either, but I don't think we can judge him by the type of players he recruited to Rutgers.
Oh, and I should have said the inbreeding has been both a blessing and curse, to avoid being flamed.
dcdave, that article is exactly why we should believe something good might be happening that nobody is aware of, and all this "Hoke/DeBord/Ferentz" crap is just to cover it.
my students have been doing "book work" for 2 weeks now.....
and im suppose to be an AP teacher...
Its inevitable that by waiting so long our only 2 choices will be English and Debord. How depressing.
After reading everything and considering it, I think BM is honestly telling the truth in all of this.
#1 I don't think there was any back channel contact between BM and LM. Whoever leaked that (even someone on the search committee) was engaging in some disinformation to put the heat on BM to get the deal done.
#2 BM said he wouldn't talk to LM until after the SEC champ game, and since he's an old school man of his word, he did what he said he would do. When the phone rang, and he knew who it was, he didn't answer it.
#3 After LM had publicly stated he was staying at LSU (something his agent confirmed via phone to BM), I think BM thought it would not be appropriate to pursue him any further. If he did, U-M would look like it "stole" another program's coach and LM would be a bald-faced liar. Neither of these fit with the U-M image.
I think based on Wojo's article today the simple answer is the right one. BM is a process man. He maps everything out and follows it to the letter. He is also a man of his word (or beleives he is).
I'm glad he's sticking with his principles. I agree the LM courtship could have been handled better, but you have to wonder what U-M knows about LM that we don't.
I'm not going to have a cow until I see who puts the block M hat on at the press conference.
Apparently Drew Sharp stated this morning on "The Mad Dog Show" 730 am in Lansing that this weekend Martin, Carr and Miles were going to meet at some awards gig in Orlando, Florida to discuss Miles contract stuff? He also said, Miles contract was not going to get approved for another month because LSU's Board of Regents were too busy. This is all according to the radio interview with Drew Sharp. He stated Carr does not like Miles and wanted to discuss his 3 pending NCAA violations, and some issue with recruiting. But the alumni and former players are absolutely livid this deal did not get done Saturday so I guess they are going to give it a try according to Detroit Free Press's Drew Sharp.... who knows but it goes along with the Detroit Free Press article today questioning if Miles would sign the LSU contract.
Chitownblue,
Those are interesting points.....but i think we're going to give him a look.....I dont think thats a case of Schiano ignoring academics as much as it is maybe the school making concessions to build a program that was beyond down in the doldrums....a new coach would have to fit UM standards, regardless of who it is....for example, I hate to bring up Les' name, but I dont he would have a similar grad rate up here as he does down at LSU.
i will never be a member of the english mafia, however i could live with it, if new dc is brought in, not from within.......
if we dont get some better technique coaching going on, we are in trouble...
omg i am really depressed that english or "deboared" is a real option....
I am coming into this late, but when is Miles supposed to sign the new Agreement. The word I hear from news articles and such is that if he doesn't sign it, then maybe there is a window of hope. Any truth or comments to this.
Martin: The man who hired Beilin and an outstanding prospect for women BB, who hired the best swimming coach in the country, who fought to retain M outstanding baseball coach and who tried hard to hire Petrino.
He is also the first in decades to do any significant facilities upgrades for M sports. When done everything will be the best or nearly to best around (except if no money appears to replace Chrysler).
He has also taken the athletic department from losing money to being one of the most profitable around.
He is certainly smart enough to know the importance of this search.
We could do a whole lot worse than having him as AD
Realist,
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...heme=CARR&
imw=Y
Jazz:
Keep in mind that you're talking about the same Drew Sharp who wrote this:
http://forums.simcentral.net/arc...hp/t-
61373.html
(I apologize for not having the actual version saved somewhere)
Correction to my previous post - that was Rob Parker...
I do have to wonder if BM really knew what he was getting himself into. It seems like he thought the football search would see about the same amount of scrutiny as the basketball search. In his interview this morning, he said: "It's been tougher than I thought, but it's not that the process is flawed. It's the degree of commentary and spin. Some of the stuff that people are saying is just totally off the wall. But the plan is working fine."
Has he not seen any of the coaching searches over the last couple of years? Did he really think that just because the people sitting directly below him at Michigan Stadium aren't loud and obnoxious, that the rest of the fan base must also be quiet, reserved, and way too easy to please?
Of course there's going to be a lot of spin and commentary! He said himself how great he thought this job was. Did he think no one would really be paying attention?
gsimmons85, since this coaching search thing is getting old and I certainly don't feel like debating English v. Schiano or something like that...
What AP class do you teach?
Well, if what Drew Sharp said is true, so much for BM sticking to his principles.
Not that I don't want Miles, but if U-M pulls this off, the shitstorm around the country will be huge. And it will be hard for U-M to put forth their image of "doing things the right way".
im an apush teacher.... 10th year....
To all my fellow U-M law grads -- let's start setting aside a few dollars so we can start our own firm after this whole debacle ends. As far as I can tell, we can have offices in S.F., D.C., and Chicago --geographically, we're set. Just don't call or email me when I'm on my blackberry...can't get that bitch to work yet.
Here's a new debate then,
Worse columnist:
Rob Parker vs Drew Sharp.
Winner gets Mitch in the next round.
beleive it or not history was just an easier major for me in college than pe. i know sounds crazy but it was easier for me to memorize dates and places, then bones, and muscles....
i always new i would coach, when i realized that an nfl or nba career wasnt going to pan out.... so history was the easiest way to get there....
Jamie Mac,
Parker has never been a college guy. I am not sure I trust his sources on this. It could be wishful thinking on someone's part again.
@Wolverine in S. FLA what part of fl?/ Jupiter here
How in the hell can Martin rationalize naming Ron English head coach? Does anyone remember how well the defense played against Appalachian State and Oregon?
And what about Mike DeBord? Is that how one gets to be head coach at Michigan? First go to a MAC school as head coach and raise the program to the ground?
Nevertheless, I think we're stuck with one of them. After this Les Miles fiasco no one worth a shit will want to talk to Martin.
The next four years are going to be ugly.
So you're a football coaching staff member at your high school then?
I really know nothing about Pat Hill. But I've always admired Fresno State's apparent willingness to play anyone anywhere and be reasonably competitive doing it.
could it be that this is just so foreign to us? this whole coaching search thing...
i mean we have alwyas been on the outside looking in.... but could the way that this whole thing be going on, just harder for us to understand, becasue we have never had it before. Then add to that the fact that its UM and there is more national attention...
Pucker up, dex. Stoops is coming.
At this point, I'd jizz myself if we could hire Pat Hill.
DCBlue:
ThWard and I are way ahead of you on that one. Last night he said that he could no longer continue to work 14 hours to bill 7. Our own firm is about to become our only option.
I'm in Atlanta, by the way.
Mallett Fumbles Snaps,
I live in Wellington, work in Boca. I found another guy on the board here from South Florida too, lives in Jupiter. His name on here was "S FL Wolverine". I have his email addresss.
We should all get together and watch some games, assuming we (and U-M) survive this.
Send me your email if you'd like and we can startup a group: edreynolds@hotmail.com
yeah i was hired down in nc as a football coach, that would teach...
the school im at now, prides its self on acedmeics a little more, but i still was hired as a coach.... its the south football rules....
PS. To hell with Martin and his plan!!
Pat hill is Jim Leavitt, only you don't hear about him because his team doesn't win that much. He's a flailer, and a hothead.
Do.Not. Want.
I'll throw my name in the ring to watch some games in Fl, too. Looks like next year all of the faithful in Fl might need a shoulder to cry on.
if we do end up landing someone with a wow, that is awesome factor, will we all thank martin, and apologize, or will we say, martin almost f'd that up didnt he?
im not sure...
Winning will make everyone forget this. Losing, on the other hand.
Anyone else think that MSC is on the right page and Bill is lagging behind? I've heard that she is pissed that Martin didn't land Miles (and as a result, pissed at her emails). I kinda wish she'd just step in and get it done.
gsimmons85,
Probably the latter.
Here is a June 12, 2005 ESPN article about minor NCAA violations at Oklahoma St. during the period 2003-2004 of Miles' tenure there:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/n...tory?
id=2083433
To summarize, two graduate assistants failed to enroll in the minimum number of required credit hours and a school VP authorized an improper ad on a gym wall.
But then, HORROR of HORRORS:
Also, former strength and conditioning coach Gary Calcagno broke an NCAA rule by showing recruits a videotape of various types of weight training.
OMG! LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL! WHERE IS THE NCAA WITH THE DEATH PENALTY! OMG OMG OMG!!!
I have to say that if I knew in high school that the reason my teacher had us doing busy work throughout class was so that he could be chatting up in the blogosphere all day...he'd be my new favorite teacher. Seriously, how awesome is that!?!
I mean, I remember some of my teachers shopping incessantly on eBay...but commenting on a blog...that is seriously the greatest thing ever!
You officially rock, gsimmmons85 (since I never officially joined the KING GROBE bandwagon, I harbor no ill feelings)!
I've heard Bo was a little bit of a hot head.
Martin:
The guy that tried to schedule Hawaii. Martin the guy that hired two head coaches for our women's team. Martin the guy that hired Beilien. Martin the guy who did everything to push the stadium renovations and limit the "process". Martin the guy who has the a.d. in the black, with a SURPLUS.
He is going after Miles. There is no doubt about that. But he is being held back. Perhaps with good cause.
What is this about in re Drew Sharp:
"He stated Carr does not like Miles and wanted to discuss his 3 pending NCAA violations, and some issue with recruiting."
I think I know the recruiting part. What about the violations?
Scalz1,
Send me your email address. I'll be the keeper of the "list".
edreynolds@hotmail.com
well you know, i alwyas tell them they have to have thier priorities right....
Dex, LOL. Does anybody really think we would hire Bo today? Back then, we needed to take a risk because we had fallen off the map. Today the attitude is "play it safe" b/c athletics brings in so much cash.
How great would it be if I sent B. Martin an email from my firm account (including signature line) and, like 4 hours later, he made an actual call back and said, "Listen, bitch. It's Bill Martin. I've got the m-fer covered, so back the fuck off and chill. No one will believe you if you tell them I called you, but it's covered. No chill those fuckers out at MGoBlog and the rest, I'm tired of deleting email from my fully, functioning Blackberry. I'm out."
Sadly, a man can dream, right?
@gsimmons85
I'm still not to the point where I think that it can't happen (hiring someone with a 'that is awesome factor'), so I'd be willing to apologize for doubting him if BM can pull it off. That is, of course, until his boy f's it up in Columbus next yera.
HIre the chimp.
I still think they are going to hire Debord and then sit around and wait for him to make us all look stupid and brag about what a great hire they made. If he screws up, they dump him and hire some other inbred idiot. I don't see any rabbits getting pulled out of any hats. Why do you think Debord left CMU in the middle of the night if not because LC told him he was retiring and MD could have the job?
Its Debord.
Signed,
The Chimp Mafia.
i told you, i think KING GROBE just turned down the hogs....
DCBlue,
Good god, can you imagine the amount of emails BM is getting right now? Good luck putting together an Outlook rule to filter out the "wanted" vs. "unwanted" ones. I bet he went to another address internally while this search is going on.
cscalzi@knightarmco.com
So with King Grobe out and Paul Johnson looking like he's out, what decent (i.e. non English/Debord/Hoke) possibilities are out there? Here's who I can think of (assuming that Ferentz, Kelly, and Rodriguez are out because everyone seems to think they are out):
Greg Schiano, Chris Peterson, Bronco Mendenhall, Gary Pinkel, Bobby Johnson (Vanderbilt), Jeff Tedford, Chuck Martin, Steve Sarkisian, Brent Venables, Jon Tenuta.
Maybe there are a few others. This is not good. I was happy with King Grobe or Paul Johnson as Plan B types because I think they ar fantastic coaches. But this list, I don't know. Peterson would be the only one that would actually excite me. The other thing that could excite me would be a strong Coach/coordinator combo - like hiring Sarkisian as coach and Tenuta as DC.
With a list like this, I think it puts even more pressure on Martin to up the ante and hit a home run. That could mean continuing to try with Miles. It could mean opening the checkbook up even more for Stoops or Meyer. This is all I cling to. I just think that with coaches being plucked off all over the place Martin has to have something up his sleeve. He is not so incompetent that he wouldn't have contacted any other coaches up to this point.
Scalz1,
You're on the list!
"Sadly, a man can dream, right?"
Indeed.
Maybe my Google skills are deserting me, or maybe it's been kept very hush-hush, but I can only seem to come up with some minor violations Miles committed while at OSU...nothing comes up about any Miles NCAA violations while at LSU...maybe they have yet to report to the NCAA?
"Sadly, a man can dream, right?"
Dreaming sadly is all I've been able to do.
This should put everyone's fears to rest (not really). Martin is either truly an idiot, or truly brilliant. Either one I am unable to comprehend.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs...6/OPINION03/
712
060445/1004/SPORTS
dont count out the KING just yet.....
i would take Brent Venables, Jon Tenuta, based only on their football knoweldge, i agree with the combo aspect, but neither of them would come to michigan just to be DC's, imo
Yarr Mateys! Those land lubbers in Michigan launched an attack against me, so I be back on the high seas where I can't be bothered on me new Treo. I be wearin' two eye-patches these days. This way, I won't be seein' any coaches who might want to take me job.
@ Wolverine in S. FLA
No, we wouldn't hire Bo today. Could you imagine if we did? This place would go batshit angry.
gsimmons - do you know anything to make us not count out the King?
I am still in the camp that Miles is a possibility. It seems that by the end of the week, we will know if we are for sure out of the running, but I am not sure we will ever know if we in the running until he puts on his white Block M hat at the press conference.
Could it be that the reason he was moving to new technology was that he created a new email address within U-M? Maybe one phone for the rabid, pissed off masses (ignore), and the other phone for his now private email account?
word is he is not going to accpet the offer from ARK....
http://wakeforest.rivals.com/def...ault.asp?
type=1
Mr. Martin,
How do I get my voicemails on my new Blackberry?
IDIOT!
If Les Miles were to were a WHITE block M cap as coach, I hope he is no longer a candidate. Maybe his wife can wear a pink block M cap when they head down to the Brown Jug during Spring practices.
White Michigan hats are for douches, sorry.
Today's topic of conversation: what do you do between refreshes? And how often do you refresh?
Yes, the King is still in play!
I wait patiently for dex to blow me.
DC Blue-
We are in the profession, but apparently you forgot that a little sarcasm along the way does not hurt anyone.
Call me crazy, but I have watched some of the LM footage, and although he is not the most articulate person out there, I love his passion and presence.
It's interesting...if one of the knocks against LM is that he "isn't that bright" what does it say about the U-M football program? He WENT TO SCHOOL AT U-M.
I am sure that the sentiment amongst the former players right now is that "it's ok for us to PLAY for you, but when you want a coach, one of our own is not good enough for you?"
I am sure some of the concerns about LM are just the old elitist U-M thinking.
He is a fickle King.
Didn't catch the sarcasm, sorry.
I hate white M hats.
DCBlue- totally agree. I really do not see Bill Martin hiring someone that will piss everyone off. He knows this is a career defining hire and if he wants to be mentioned among some of the best AD's michigan has had, then he must hire someone great.
2 possible Scenarios: 1. Les Miles will put on the Block M hat and say "Let'er Rip!", right before he attends the S. Quad W. Quad snowball fight
2. BM hires someone that everyone will be so happy with they will be tailgating outside the Big House 8 months early
I really dont think BM will make a terrible hire. I'd have to think hes thinking "Go big or get shot"
he is a deliberate king..... his judgements come after much thought, and prayer....
the king is never wrong.....
@Hobo
Show me Stoops in a M cap and you can spray all over me.
@HenneManCrush
I refresh every 5 minutes or so. In between I daydream that my virtual life as UM coach in NCAA on my xbox wasn't virtual.
Oh yeah, occasionally I work.
No worries. I not only hate white M hats, but I hate the way LM wears his white hat. As much as I want him here, he needs to look at some old film of his idol, Bo, and get a nice old school blue M hat. I bet he could even go over to Moe's and get one for free.
Being an alumni helpless in Durham and watching this CF unfold, at trying times such as these, I comfort myself by singing a refrain of:
Ted Roof, Ted Roof, Ted Roof has been fired!
I find it comforts me as I prepare for the UM-Duke Basketball game in 2 days...
MichiganStudent,
I agree. I'm still holding out hope about working things out with LM, but it will be difficult to put a good spin on it. Saying that "when he said he was going to be at LSU next year he meant the NC game" might be accurate from a lawyerly point of view, but it won't wash nation wide
Anyhow, BM is a rich man who doesn't need this job. He's doing it because he wants to. He doen't want to be remembered as the guy who handed football over to Debord (or someone just as lame).
We have to be patient.
I think we could get Tenuta as a DC. If he doesn't get the head coaching job at Tech, he'll have to find a new job anyway. I'm not sure if he's a candidate at many other places for an HC position. We could be as viable as anywhere else. Sarkisian and Venables definitely wouldn't come as coordinators, though.
I apologize, it is not for us to speculate what is going on in the King's noble head.
realist:
I actually hate the blue hat the Lloyd wore in his final couple years, too. The one with the huge, Fisher-Price looking, bulging M. Just get the traditional one, you know.
could be right pt....
he wouldnt be my first choice at dc, but he is def an attacker....
I said Stoops was coming. Anonymously. On the Internet. That is practically the same thing as a fact. I don't see why we can't conduct the payoff now.
barges into room...
"hey guys im thinking about getting the KING GROBE mafia back together, are you in?
Miles will take absolutely no shit from anyone if he signs the amended contract at, say, 4 million, and then eats the buyout and takes signs at Michigan for 3.5 million. He'd be "coming home" for less money.
cosigned, dex.
I fear for the day I have a job that requires much of me...
@Hobo
Alright, let's do this thing.
@Grobe Mafia
So our man is back in the hypothetical hunt?
DCBlue -
can also have an office in Detroit/Ann Arbor. My firm is full of UM law grads that lurk on Mgoblog. It is especially funny when everyone is in their offices "working" and pretending not to be consumed by the coaching search, and then someone quotes something from Mgoblog at lunch/in the hallway, and we all realize we are reading the same thing all day. I'm thinking of billing my time to Bill Martin, just sending him a bill at the end of this mess. I may also send him my medical bills for reimbursement, since he is easily taking years off of my life right now.
Hobo,
LOL. That's almost as valid as the guy who said the KF press conference would be on Wednesday. When we pushed him for a link, he said "call Iowa if you don't believe me" and "we'll see who is right on Wednesday."
Never heard from him after Wednesday.
Wolverine in S FL:
B-b-b-b-but at Okie St. one of Miles' conditioning coaches showed recruits VIDEOS!
VIDEOS OF WEIGHTLIFTING TECHNIQUES!
AIEEEE! WHERE WAS THE NCAA TO PRESERVE THE PURITY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL AS WE KNOW IT!!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/n...tory?
id=2083433
word is he turned down the offer....
the king that is...
@Grobe Mafia
I can't bring myself to get on board for a guy that close to being a coach somewhere else. My heart cannot take that at this point...
But I fully support any action against the GVSU Mafia.
King Grobe Mafia:
The King was obviously testing you by floating this Arkansas thing. For your sake, I hope he's impressed with your conduct post-rumor...
Maybe the weights in those videos were actually needles.
Les Miles has connections at BALCO. And he banged Lloyd's nephew's friend's underage girlfriend.
My source in the AD told me.
Wolverine in S. FLA,
Ding ding ding! You win a prize! Guess what it is?
All Hail King Grobe. Grobe Mafia is on like Tron.
I here he's a benevolent King.
Gsimmons - you said you've met the man, no?
"Weight Lifting, HGH, and the New You"
hosted by Vernon Gholston
DCBlue,
His real problem would be the promises he keeps making on camera. I can see ESPN right now:
"I am the coach at LSU"
"I will be the coach at LSU next year"
"I'm sad that I can't be in two places at once, but I am not going there"
"I haven't talked to anyone, so how can I be going anywhere"
UNTIL NOW...
"Announcing the new University of Michigan football coach, Les Miles".
A Saban-esque moment to be sure.
You have a good point, a good way to spin it. In the long term, people will forget it ever happened.
gsimmons,
Someone heard your plea, nice work. Maybe Martin nixed the Arkansas thing.
I'm fully onboard the King Grobe train!
Heretofore, I have been carefully conducting my search and have scrupulously refrained from joining any mafia. Hell, I even went sailing a couple weekends ago. However, if you are reforming the King G. mafia, count me in.
T-shirts that absolutely need to be produced as mementos from this wonderful time in Michigan history
"Chuck Martin 08" in the form of the Ron Paul campaign logo
"Bring Back Joe White"
"Les Miles knocked up my wife"
"King Grobe"
"Fire Ferentz"
"Psychology of Entrapment Victim"
"Michigan Apologist"
"Weightlifting videos"? What's wrong with tossing around a medicine ball and running in place?!
http://www.charlotte.com/209/sto...ory/
393727.html
Boom. Grobe says no to Arkansas.
Obviously, the arrrr-kansas pigs did not BOW DOWN TO THE KING enough. Hmmm, perhaps the Ann Arbor serfs interest the King more?
"Les Miles knocked up my wife"
"King Grobe"
I would buy both of those in a heartbeat!
SF Wolverine:
I understand your point, but my God, circumstances change. Actually, the longer this search goes on, the more likely it will be Miles I think.
Yeah, he said all those things, but he can also say, "If there's one thing the last month has taught me is that money isn't everything and you can always go home."
No please, everyone, I DO NOT THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN -- so please do not flame me. But the idea that he'll be berated for going to Michigan doesn't fly with me. Hell, EVERYONE in the media thought it was going to happen and with their egos they'd just say -- told you so.
Dex:
Nice to see the psychology of entrapment made the cut. We are all victims at this point...
I just looked at the comment list this morning and saw all the references to Miles wearing a white hat "wrong" -- very funny. He sort of wears it like a milirary guy. But the white hat, white turtleneck this is definitely not pleasing. I think Lloyd eschewed the fitted Bo in order to distance himself from his mentor a bit.
yes i have met him several times...
have been in his office to talk x' and o's on several occasions.... and have been around him in clinic situations....
I think we should hold a Grobe Rally in the Diag.
I'll bring weed.
I am going to go out on a limb here. With all jokes in the corner...I think that BM will make a very smart hire. I believe that he is a very smart person...There are some people who talk...and some people that just do...I guessing he is where he is today in life because of the latter. I say we sit tight and let the man do his job.
We now return you to your regularly monitored blog...
cfaller96,
Perhaps they didn't 'polish the little pope' enough?
And, safe to say, gsimmons, you were impressed? Is he more of the no-nonsense disciplinarian type, or a "player's coach" type?
I just can't think of any other possible coach to get excited over.
If Grobe does come to rule us all, can we wear tye-dye shirts like the WF basketball crowd?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/co...ivan&
id=2650035
To be fair, Bend It Like Gingell has been tossing around "Apologist" for about a year.
Ok, this will sound really lame, but the HR Director at my company met King Grobe and said he was a "really nice gentleman".
At least that part fits the Michigan criteria.
Dex,
I am starting to like you!
And, i feel like the poster boy of Physchology of Entrapment as I cant stop checking this site or message boards.
I have yet to join any mafia to this point, but hey, if gsimmons85 can vouch for him and has spent time with him under those circumstances, count me in the KING GROBE mafia.
I'm gonna wear a "Stoops and blow me" t-shirt, with an arrow pointing downward.
gsimmons85,
Godfather...Please advise us on how to get King Grobe out of Winston-Salem. We obviously dodged a bullet when he declined to bless the arrr-kansasian pigf*ckers with his presence, but it seems that the King is quite happy in NC. What can we do to change his mind?
Should we make him an offer he can't refuse (i.e. throw Ferentz money at him)?
WOH WOH WOH WOH WOH WOH WOH WOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.) True story: I got in late to work today because my alarm didn't go off. My wife goes to work an hour before me, so I rely on my alarm clock... what do I use for my alarm clock? A TREO. I shit you people not. I had a malfunctioning Treo this morning. Holy crap. I feel like Bill Martin, but me showing up late to an mgoblog chat fest isn't quite on the same level as murdering the will to live of every Michigan football fan.
2.) It took forever for me to scan this page...
let's just say I went from a.) "post King Grobe depression" to b.) "post King Grobe denial" to c.) "anger/vengeance towards gsimmons for leading me down this path to d.) HOLY CRAP, GROBE IS STILL IN PLAY!!!
What a morning. What a whirlwind. Yet another day where I will work 16 hours just to bill 5 hours. Sign me up.
I'm not aligned with any mafia, but right now it appears as though the King Grobe mafia has dominated the GVSU mafia right off this board.
The GVSU mafia needs to get in here and rep it!
gsimmons/Dex - I think we just picked up 4 new gang members.
As a hobo, I'm glad I have blowable instead of billable hours.
dcblue- what firm are you at?
Dex,
Excluding the delusional choices and assuming the King is gone, How about
the following?
1. Petersen
2. Johnson (assuming he is not hired yet)
Now to get delusional, if we do get Stoops, thanks for taking one for the team.
We decided Dex was Connie, right?
GVSU can't hang with Team Grobe.
Our coach isn't nuts or completely inexperienced.
well i was talking about my impressions yesterday one of the other comment threads.
why i like him so much is that he is an in your face perfectionists when it comes to every detail of execution... fundamentals are the most important thing to him, and you must do it right... he will get in his coaches faces for not teaching something correctly, and demands perfection from his coaches and players...
Grobe is on record as saying that WF is probably "not his last stop". I think he just turned down ar-KANSAS because the situation there has been a total clusterf*ck the last few years. He's probably thinking there are better jobs out there. Michigan anyone?
BTW, note that when he turned Arkansas down, a "source" said his happy in WF and staying. The King did NOT (at least yet) say he is staying at WF. He just turned down the sheep lovers.
"As a hobo, I'm glad I have blowable instead of billable hours."
Awesome.
And Connie? What?
I like Petersen and Johnson but everything points to Johnson at SMU and Petersen not being a legitimate option. So I remain with Grobe.
And I'll keep brushing my teeth just in case Stoops strolls in.
gsimmons--- I'm sorry for doubting you. I have no doubt that the Godfather played a role in R-kansas not getting their man.
As I said yesterday, I don't care when it happens, I will be at the press conference announcing King Grobe as our new savior.
chitownblue--- I thought Dex was Clemenza
@chitownblue,
No, I thought dex was Fat Clemenza. He's our muscle...
Great article on the King.
all anonymous posters are in the Debord mafia.
Anyone feel bad for Arkansas after the Altman thing last year and now this?
Nope. Me neither. Just asking the question.
I don't know much about Grobe, and for shit's sake I know that overall win-loss isn't everything, but take a look at the guy's career record:
1995 Ohio 2-8-1
1996 Ohio 6-6
1997 Ohio 8-3
1998 Ohio 5-6
1999 Ohio 5-6
2000 Ohio 7-4
2001 Wake Forest 6-5
2002 Wake Forest 7-6 Seattle
2003 Wake Forest 5-7
2004 Wake Forest 4-7
2005 Wake Forest 4-7
2006 Wake Forest* 11-3 Orange
2007 Wake Forest
He doesn't inspire awe in me, just based on the paper. Yeah, yeah, it's Ohio and Wake Forest and all that shit. But seriously. Jim Grobe?
I need some convincing.
I second the call to form a firm comprised exclusively of UM law grads/mgoblog commenters. Perhaps mgoblaw? We'll have offices in DC, Chicago, Atlanta, Ann Arbor, and San Francisco, and we will be awesome.
I'll be anyone as long as we get Grobe and cap one of the GVSU guys.
henne -
Horrible Grobe Mafia = Godfather joke.
about getting the KING here, my first course of action would be a call from martin...
i working on the rest as we speak...
im think something along the lines of email,
DEAR KING GROBE,
please allow us the pleasure of seeing you march the michigan wolverines out of the tunnel at the big house.....
and how does 80 bazzilion dollars sound?
yours truley,
the KG MAFIA
If he ends up being hired, we have to have a "King Grobe" tshirt. My personal favorite is Pyschology of Entrapment Victim.
King Grobe is not coming!!!!
Brian Kelly is your next head coach
Chuck Martin is your next Defensive Coordinator. Brady Hoke is your next Offensive Coordinator. Enjoy!
I also need convincing. As I stated to ThWard last night: If I told you three weeks ago that Jim Grobe was about to become the next coach at Michigan, what would have been your reaction? Have we really fallen this far? Is this really the best we can do? Or, are we so jaded by the lack of promise in this search that he just seems like a savior?
(ducking lightning bolts)
You said it yourself. It's Wake F'n Forest and Ohio.
Anyone care to look up Bo and his record before UM?
If Martin is really limiting the choices to HC experience, Les Miles is just about the only realistic candidate with a sterling W-L record I can think of. And Chuck Martin. From GVSU. So, yeah.
I'm in for mgoblaw as long as there is an understanding that I can bill time spent on mgoblog threads...
Since we really dont know who UM is contacting, maybe Grobe telling Arky No and Peterson telling UCLA he's not interested means they have their eyes on somethig, gulp, bigger.
Still think we are looking at Schiano....wonder if Brian is doing any digging....cant wait for his next post.
Dare I say....profiles in heroism.....the King!?!?!?
ChicaGoBlue-- like the idea.
Ha! Check out what's listed under "college."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Grobe
Bo at Miami.
1963 Miami 5-3-2 4-1-1 2nd
1964 Miami 6-3-1 4-2 2ndT
1965 Miami 7-3 5-1 1stT
1966 Miami 9-1 5-1 1stT
1967 Miami 6-4 4-2 3rdT
1968 Miami 7-3 5-1 2nd
dex:
Come on. 1969 college football and 2007 college football are two COMPLETELY different universers, especially with # scholarships, etc.
Brian Kelly has a pretty good win-loss record. Not being an advocate, but his record of "building" and "maintaining" programs is much better than Grobe. Especially when you look at what each did in the MAC.
Grobe? I just don't know.
Henne- what's wrong with UVA?
DC,
i thought i extingished all KING GROBE doubters on this blog?
oh well, cant get them all, like i said i can only speak to what i see as the biggest need for michigan footall, based on what i think KG brings to the table as a coach.... He has all the makings off a diamond in the ruff, that has simply not seen an offer he likes yet....
he is in the top 5 of any football coaches list in terms knoweldge and ability, and like i said, he would get the very best recruits in nc and sc if it wasnt for the academic standards of WF, every highschool coach around here, wants their kids to play for KG.
@Chitownblue00
Yeah, I remembered that from yesterday after somebody mentioned Fat Clemenza. I hate to admit this, but I haven't seen The Godfather in a little under a decade and don't remember almost any of it...something I wouldn't normally readily admit.
*hangs head in shame*
R-Lew: Did you read that ESPN article I sent you? I know, Ivan Maisel and all, but still... I spent about 20 minutes looking for info on Grobe once gsimmons brought me into the Family, and I have to say--- people in the know seem obsessed with Grobe.
Well that doesn't help my argument, now does it?
DCBlue,
Wake Forest is an 8,000 student school with no football tradition that, according to Stassen, was 97th out of 104 teams in winning % from 1980-2000, right before Grobe got there. They had 2 winning seasons in that twenty year span.
Grobe took them to a winning season in his first two years. He's never lost to a team in his time there that didn't make a bowl until they lost to Nebraska this year. He went 11-3 with a true freshman QB (his starter got hurt in the 2nd half of the first game) and playing 5 games with a WR, who had never played RB before, starting at tailback. He is generally revered among coaches.
Also, in his 7 year span, WF is 54th in winning %, up from 97th for the previous 20 years.
Also, I would note that (based on recruiting rankings) Wake Forest is the 13th most overachieving team in the nation. Navy is 3rd, and Cincinnati is 4th. Iowa is the 8th most underachieving team in the nation, for the record. I'll provide a link in a later comment.
No no no...not Virginia...that's where he went to school and played...check the right sidebar...
GVSU mafia is back.
Also, Brian Kelly is not a candidate for the job and discussion of him is pointless.
I'm very comforted by the fact that there are other people consistently on here wasting just as much time as me (and at this point, are going as crazy as me) on day 18.
When I made that comment, Grobe was not back in play. He is now top of my non-Meyer/Stoops/Bellicick list.
Brian Kelly is your next head coach. Chuck Martin is the DC, and Brady Hoke is the next OC.
gsimmons:
I appreciate your analysis -- it makes some sense. But, respectfully, Michigan doesn't really have a problem recruiting. At it's heart, this isn't a job to "build" a program.
I'm not saying no to an induction ceremony into the Grobe mafia -- I'm just hedging my bets right now.
Dex-
Why would you say he's not a canidate?
I hope GVSU loses by 50 this week.
Hello, Rutgers fan here. I don't think Schiano is leaving, but I would like to shatter a few misconceptions here.
"Schiano is aggressive". NOT ON OFFENSE. He would out-Carr Ferentz. Watching Rutgers is just like watching Michigan. Run Rice (Hart clone) down the gut. Do it again. Run run run. Ignore the passing game. That is why Martin is supposedly interested. Schiano would happily keep on DeBord and English and keep Michigan along the exact same course it's on now.
"1. His recruiting classes contain a fair amount of JUCO players - people that, in general, Michigan won't consider."
Haven't for a couple years. Last year we took a JUCO punter who was fully-qualified out of HS, ala Aaron Rodgers.
"2. Rutgers has also notably taken a few academic non-qualifiers - which Michigan has a policy not to do."
Haven't in years. This was tried when the team was coming out of the Terry Shea error. Most of them didn't work out, it hasn't been done in a few years.
"3. Rutgers is one of 6 Bowl-bound teams who fail to meet the NCAA's benchmark score on the "Academic Progress Rate" - joining C. Florida, LSU, Ohio St., Michigan St., and UCONN."
I have no idea where you got this, but it could not possibly be more wrong. In fact, at 980, Rutgers has the #3 score on the initial APR rankings. Schiano is great in this area, having established a very strong academic support system, fixing what had been a trouble spot in the past.
In conclusion, good luck with your search. And please hire someone who'll alienate J.B. Fitzgerald.
I can't believe I am doing this, as I promised I would not. But here goes.
BM met this morning in NYC with Penn State Defensive Coordinator Tom Bradley and is prepared to offer a 5 year, incentive laden contract with a base of $1.4 million. Big 11 and Natl Championships take total compensation up as high as $2.2 million.
My source reports directly to Miles - and has worked closely with him. No influential alumni have been contacted to my source's knowledge, but MSC is on board in theory at this time, although she want to meet him personally.
If she approves, announcement comes Saturday.
GVSU Guy-
Because it has been repeatedly said in every report about the search that Brian Kelly, for whatever reason, is not being considered.
And, you know, I have severe reservations about hiring a guy that Iowa freaking State and MSU weren't sold on.
dc, that is my point
grobe doesnt need to be a great recruiter at michigan. that was the argument i was making before,
recruiting is the least of our concerns as far as im concerned...
the other things about the game, he is the best at.... take away the recruting handcuffs he has here as opposed to going to unc or ncstate, and he would win the acc every year....
dex:
I used B. Kelly as an example -- your analysis said Grobe was the best candidate out there and based that in part on won-loss. Jesus, I never said Kelly was a candidate and, bottom line. It's a fucking blog thread. EVERY post on this fucker is pointless so please, don't try to be Dex, God of MGoBlog.
Thanks. I love how people go batshit when someone SUGGESTS something.
Oh, and unless YOU have access to spicy BM's malfuncitiong Treo, you don't know who is a candidate.
My source reports directly to Miles
Uh...?
Blow me.
DCBlue--- if you drag your heels to long, you'll be stuck with "Connie." Just saying.
I like what I hear about King Grobe (from gsimmons and what I've read) because he's know for Tressel-like attention to detail and fundamentals, but is actually thought of being an innovator, offensively (from what I've read)-- at least by UM's standards.
I don't know why no one though of this earlier:
Zoltan the inconcievable for coach !!!
Heartland Blue,
You've just created a panic within the masses....nice work.
Heartland Blue,
I've said nothing will surprise me at this point. That would surprise me.
What if we hire all of Jim Tressels assistant coaches and steal all of their 08 recruits that went because they like assistant coaches?
R-Lew,
I think you can split the coaching search into 4 categories:
1) Superstars - Miles (though some might put him in #2), Meyer, Stoops, maybe Rodriguez
2) Big/Hot Names but are they good coaches - Ferentz (though some would put him in #3), Schiano, Pinkel
3) Great Coaches - King Grobe, Paul Johnson, Brian Kelly, Chris Peterson, maybe Chuck Martin
4) Oh God Please No - English, Hoke, Debord
We're not getting anyone from 1 and we pray that we don't get anyone from 4. Given our extreme coaching incompetence the last several years, I think many of us would prefer someone from #3 than from #2. Accepting that we aren't getting any of the Superstars, I would be happy with any of the great coaches, with King Grobe seemingly at the top of the list. Have we reduced expectations? Sure. But it's good for us to have hope and perhaps have something to be excited about. This board has been infiltrated by negative energy. Some optimism would do us all do.
Long live the King!
So, the list of people we are going to hire NOW~~!!11! according to people with good "sources" stands at...
Ferentz (Last Tuesday)
Miles (Saturday)
Miles again (Monday)- via "Scoop"
Stoops (This Week)- via "doctor"
Butch Davis (Wednesday) Some Guy
Ferentz (This Week)- Multiple
Tom Bradley (Saturday)- This new guy
Martin should swallow his pride, sgo to Miles and say the job is yours on Jan 8 -- now go get some practice beating Tressel in the national championship game. To lose the person who is so obviously the best choice over process issues is mind-boggling. Miles is playing in the national championship game --- uh, yeah, he's not good enough for us. WTF!
Excuse me - source reports directly to Martin, not Miles.
Wishful thinking popped in. Forgive me.
Who the F*CK is Tom Bradley?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom...can_football%
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Tom Bradley?!?!?!
PT, good breakdown.
Heartland-- not buying it. I know a bit about Bradley-- he's insanely loyal to PSU, turning down other HC opportunities. Obviously Michigan is about as big as it gets, but unless he knows he won't be JoePa's successor, that's shenanigans.
I would immediately add Tom Bradley to list four.
@Dc
Whoa, sorry. Wasn't trying to be a prick. I'm firmly in the camp of what we don't know what the hell is going on, just that there hasn't been any talk of Kelly from anyone outside of message board posters and we've discussed him a thousand times.
PT:
Thanks for that. I'm not trying to be overly negative and, you're absolutely right we need something to look forward to around here. I'm just trying to get a sense as to whether people really believe in King Grobe or whether they think they do because he's the prettiest "single" girl at the dance.
So what your saying is that Bill Martin that has a plan and not a back up plan. Is not considering Brian Kelly, yet is extremely secretive about who he is considering. Huh? Just out of curiosity do you have access to the names on his list. Huh? Fact is NO ONE knows whose on the list. Except who is not. Les Miles for one.
I would be happy if Tom Bradley would blow me.
let me tell youg guys what i know about bradley, the coach....
absolutely nothing...
Dex,
You left me out.....inside source passing along info so people can use it for "amusement purposes" says we're looking at Schiano.
I know i am not a dentist, scoop or new guy....but c,mon, throw me a bone!!
Bill in B - Agreed - Bradley to List 4, stat...
R-Lew: while I admitted to you that a week ago I'd be depressed if I was pimping Grobe's name this much, to be honest-- I really do think he's a helluva candidate
I've got a meeting (boo!) that won't let me wallow on a blog now. If anyone from the GVSU mafia shows, cap them for me.
Dex:
I feel like the Jack Nicholson character in A Few Good Men. Picture me at my desk, loosening my collar, and saying "I'm a reasonable man, but this heat is fucking getting to me."
I agree -- we don't know shit. I'd actually be surprised if Michigan ends up hiring ANYONE that's already been mentioned.
Les = Ted?
Is Ted N available? He like miles would let er rip. Every season whould be like Intensities in 10 cities (including A-2 of course) and he would have him a rockroll band...a regular fustercluck freeforall.
Derek St. Holmes could provide the Offensive coordination and supply the weed since Ted was and is apparently a teetotalling ninny.
Hate to mix M-ball with Politics or the great pumpkin but if Les likes HPGuns he can stay in LA. If he "used" to drink and nip the bud a bit with his homies ala DSHolmes, I can handle that in Ann Arbor as long as Les keeps the academic and liberal and Bo-sensible reactionary repub trad's in place and ads a few devo new trad's in the process of getting us back into the conversation for MNC(x?) in near future.
Is anybody interested in ideas about how this team can beat FLA? I would like to see Carlos and Hart in the SAME backfield if/when HENNE needs to lick his sore arm. Also, it would be nice if Lloyd did some inspiring coach/leadership judo including a few "public" statements re: the team and our readiness to play the game and deal with the transition that is hopefully in the works.
UF game should tell much on English as he needs chance to redeem himself if he wants this job or top shelf HC job which (both of which I hope he gets a chance to have sometime).
I missed it,
Is list 4 the complete bullshit list? because thats where I would file this one.
"Zoltan the Inconcievable for coach!!!"
Oh jeez...if someone starts a ZTI Mafia I am on board immediately!!!
@Jamie
Yeah, but that's a different situation. You aren't running from the hills screaming WE'RE HIRING SCHIANO TOMORROW I GUARANTEE IT
about KG,
he was my first choice right out of the box, the only person i would take over KING GROBE, if we could have anyone, would be stoopes... that is how highly i think of the man as a coach....
or should i say semi-god
Oh, nevermind...the wikipedia article on Jim Grobe has been changed back to normal. When I viewed it, under "college" is had Arkansas listed. Now it's back to Wake Forest. How funny is that?
I thought Martin wants an "experienced head coach" candidate? Tom Bradley has never been a head coach anywhere. In fact, he has never coached outside of Penn State.
This sounds like another "Bill Belichick to Michigan" rumor to me, but more believable.
I don't want some ex-Penn State LOSER in charge of MICHIGAN football.
One of my managers at work went to PSU.
I can tell you from firsthand experience that WE OWN PENN STATE.
On AND off the field.
quelch the bradley mafia now...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/co...mark&
id=2903926
Right, dex-- otherwise you'd have to add Gulfcoast and U. Meyer, but he was very clear that he was hearing second hand that there's a 1% chance of Meyer.... not the same as, "BM ALREADY offered some random ass coordinator the job"... even though BM said he wants a guy with HC experience--- like 1000 times.
OK...let me get this straight. Given everything that has transpired, given BM's "I know what I am doing" statements, given his established criteria, does ANYONE think that BM's gonna hire the defensive coordinator of the Big Ten's current version of Nebraska? How in the world would he sell this as a "great hire"? For a man who prides himself on process, this would be about as un-processlike as you can possibly imagine.
Not buying it.
Keep the "A Few Good Men" references coming!
Count me in the ZTI mafia. If nothing else, perhaps ZTI can share his mind-bullets with the other players on the team...we'll be unstoppable!
Time to coax a nice old guy out of retirement to be a placekeeper until MILES '08???!!!111!!!
@ThWard
Yeah, I personally think the gulfcoast+Meyer thing was BS, but it's a lot easier to believe that type of info than "omg i have a really good source who has informed me, and only me, of who the new coach is and when he will be hired"
grobejb@wfu.edu
shall the butt kissing begin?
Grobe's gonna be 56 went the next FB season starts. Pretty old, guys.
So if Michigan hires him, who would be the next coach when this guy retires in 6-8 years?
I think Martin said he wants someone who would be a 10-15-year guy.
Or is the Grobester a reulgar Jack LaLane who will be be able to kick your ass at 70?
@DCBlue
We're not talking about "rebuilding" with Grobe, we're talking about maxing out the potential and/or overachieving with Grobe. That's what makes him so good- getting the most out of what he has to work with.
As promised, here are the links to the Overachieving/Underachieving list:
- Click here for an explanation as to how the rankings are compiled.
- Click here for the Top 20 Overachieving Teams, and note the top 10 underachieving teams at the bottom of the list.
- Click here for the Big 10 scores. Note that Michigan, Iowa, and Minnesota are the three most underachieving teams in the Big 10 (in that order).
gsimmons,
Bradley is a highly respected DC. I'm not totally averse to a great coordinator at a high profile program, but no way do I want someone with decades at the only BCS school in the country with a more antiquated offense than Mike DeBord's in charge.
gsimmons: Obviously I respect your coaching insight, so question-- total hypothetical (just so people don't think I'm mentioning these guys as legit coaching options)...
Rank these... King Grobe, Stoops, Miles, Meyer, Brian Kelly, Ferentz, Schiano, and for shits and giggles, Mike Debord.
Thanks. I'll hang up and listen.
I'm pretty sure we'd fire English, Hoke and possibly Debord before we'd hire Tom Bradley. Especially because he may take over for Paterno. I prefer it when sources tell us we're getting Stoops.
I can't believe I'm doing this, because I promised I wouldn't.
But Heartland Wolverine, will you blow me?
God, I have to make some changes in my life. Scratch that, I have to GET a life.
I can't bear the though of spending all my time on a thread talking about what a douche Bill Martin hired.
Dex,
Cool, thanks for noticing the difference.
But, I did say, through the same guy, that Hoke is not even close to a candidate and would sponsor that tailgate for us all if he becomes coach.
The way this is going, I should probably ask what you would like to drink and how do you like your burgers cooked, though!
Meyer
Stoops
Miles
Kelly
Grobe, K.
Schiano
Ferentz
Debord
Seems to me we have two choices here:
1) We can all continue to refresh this message board every two minutes to read the latest gossip/rumor/fear-mongering and give ourselves heart-attacks every time a new rumor comes out, or;
2) We can all chill out, live our lives, maybe have a drink, take our wives/girlfriends/etc to a movie or dinner, play with our kids, wait for Martin to make his hire and then evaluate it rationally.
Seems to me option #2 is much better for our health and sanity. So why do I keep hitting refresh?????
If Hoke is the coach, I'll take a glass of vodka.
Just read through the masses of posts. Same old same old.
BILG I like your idea. Let me know when and where and I will be there! I know he's probably not coming, but to at least somehow get him to know that the fans, alumni, ex players ect support him more than just writing e-mails that would be awesome.
If Hoke is the coach, I'll take two FIFTHS of vodka.
DCBlue-- you have no idea, though, how much better I (and R-Lew, etc.) feel knowing you're on these boards. Makes us feel like we won't get canned. Just saying.
dex-- between you and me (and the 156 people that can read this comment)-- I do buy that there's smoke re: gulfcoast's rumor. I think nothing comes of it, but I have reason to believe he's right. Again. 1% chance, or less. fwiw.
ok let me get my 4th ap ushistory class of the day to do absolutely nothing, working on some busy bookwoork, and ill see what i can do with that list...
keep in mind, im partial to KG becasue of knowing him, i have only really talked to a couple other names on that list.... so it would just be from my wtching standpoint....
dex, you can share my bottle of MD 20/20. Just wipe your lips good before you take a sip. kthx.
WWL re:Grobe, nothing new, http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3143977
Meyer, Stoops, Kelly, Grobe, Schiano, then Ferentz. I'd rank Miles just below Kelly, and DeBord doesn't deserve to be mentioned in same breath as uber-coaches Meyer, Stoops and BK Broiler...
dex,
At least Brady Hoke runs a spread offense at Ball St. I can't imagine he would keep Debord and the zone left around.
Meyer
Miles
Stoops
Grobe
Kelly
Schiano
Ferentz
Then...
The Chimp
ZTI
John L. Smith
DeBord (just because I have to list him)
Fire away!
Oh, and is there any way Martin could work on a ZTI clone while he's at the whole Carr-cloning thing?
R-Lew: you're getting yourself in deep, brother, and I don't think I can save you. Stop with the King Grobe bashing, things might get ugly up in here.
As much as I'd love to, you know, do something else, I'm kind of at work and don't have a lot of say in the matter.
Those of us with jobs spend our evenings doing those activities, and our day here because I'd much rather observe and comment on the minute details of the coaching search than do real work.
Wolverine in S FL:
Process guys place excessive focus on the idea that the process "works" the way they intended.
It is entirely plausible that BM's "process" leads to an apparently mediocre candidate and he will defend this choice with ad nauseum quotes about "how the process worked, how the process worked to produce the correct result, blah blah blah".
And if Ferentz somehow got the job, could someone make t-shirts with the Austin Powers quote
"Send in the CLONE!"
Or DeBord for that matter...
CAUP,
Les Miles born 11/1953 which would put him at 54 years old. No one seems concerned with Miles's age.
Is this the same Jeff Long, former assistant AD at Michigan back in the 90s.
Jeff Long Mafia rising!
ThWard: You have to respect my honesty and the fact that I referred to him by title...just sayin...
Fair enough Dex. Does your work computer allow you to download porn? Might be a more enjoyable use of time.
Every list so far has Meyer at the top. I know I'm delusional.
No, I do. And I'd be lying if I said my list didn't look damn close to yours, with a change or two (bump Grobe, K up, and Miles down--- as you know, I've waffled on BK v. LM for awhile).
I think there needs to be some sort of research into the demos of the board at different times. It seems, purely speculative on my part, that the Grobe faction has taken over the day time hours while a more divisive battle rages between Miles-Kelly-Meyer-KILL MARTIN KILL KILL KILL at night.
I hope BM's boat can find Zoltan in the vastness of space. Maybe he could hook his Blackberry as a nav system.
I went to a fundraising golf outing with Brady Hoke. Spoke to the guy for awhile. He is a nice guy. He is also a friggin' meathead. The thought of him being in charge of the Michigan Football Machine scares the LIVING SHIT out of me. It must not happen.
Carry on.
dex, I hereby cosign every future comment you make about work. Forever.
Sanity-
Your comment implies that I'm not looking at porn right now.
CAUP: See, that's what I come to these boards for. Rumors like that. Not the "I have it on good authority that Bill Martin offered Jim Hermann an incentive-laden $1.25 million/6 year contract, presser on Friday" crap. But believable, short, insightful tidbits.
Brady Hoke blew me once. I gave him a quarter, even though I thought his bj was worth only a nickel.
Inca Cola: I would put Miles right on the cusp of being too old, and he's about 2 years younger than Grobe.
I accepted Miles' age because he is Mister Fanatical About Michigan Coaching Superstar.
Well played, Dex, well played!
@Hobo
Are you cheating on me?
Does anyone at work feel like this blog IS porn..because you don't want your co-workers to see the smut...
@Hobo
I'd blow you but I need a meal not a snack
dex, it's not cheating if you pay for it.
I just took one of those fake Brittney Spears nude picks and put King Grobe's head on it. Then I have another pick with LM pounding BM's box into submission while BM gives head to Adolf Hitler.
OK, psycho day dreaming over.
@dcDave
"There are two scenarios with the Les Miles situation.
1) Martin was never really interested.
2) Martin was interested but dropped the ball into the Gulf of Mexico during his sailing trip.
Either one is really, really bad for us. Hope that helps."
Well, you forgot scenario #3 (Les never was that interested in M). And no one dropped the ball.
.
Mallett, I bet snaps aren't all you fumble.
Thanks for the tip, hobo. I will remember that one.
if zoltan were HC at least pressers would be entertaining...zoltan re carr retiring:
"To give you an analogy: You always know you're going to die one day," punter Zoltan Mesko said. "But it's a different feeling when that day is actually here."
Thankfully, I have to leave my office to sit on my ass in a grand jury waiting room while my client testifies in the grand jury. Here's my question:
My blackberry has internet access -- is viable to think I can continue to follow this thread while I'm billing time? Thoughts? Comments?
OK...after a productive morning at work doing absolutely NOTHING, it's time for lunch!!!
Need...a...life.
"I'd blow you but I need a meal not a snack"
Triple zing!
@DC
I see no problem with that.
dex, I thought everyone knew that. But what do I know, I'm a damn hobo.
CAUP '91,
Brady Hoke actually attended a business school function as a representative of the football staff when I was doing my MBA. He is a nice guy with total meathead tendencies. In fact, the students were making fun of him the whole time and I don't think he picked it up at all.
With that said, he is still a better candidate than Debord.
I'm going to go eat a Mangino sized lunch.
DCBlue...you know you HAVE to at least try, right? Just look like you're taking notes!
This is the first time I've felt compelled to post here. Normally just check religiously during the work day, refreshing ad infinitum. But this search is driving me to the verge of insanity.
First I want to say that I understand those who are in the "let the process take its course, BM knows what he's doing, we probably haven't even heard the name of the new coach mentioned yet". That being said, I tried taking this approach, but my poor heart can't take it. Every time I read an updated rumor -- many of which have been rather disappointing of late -- I feel close to vomiting.
I grew up in Ohio, graduated from UM in '05 -- grew up a lifelong UM fan as well -- and now have had to listen to tOSU fans spewing obnoxious garbage out of their mouths for four freakin' years. I'm losing it.
Say what you may about how important academics is to this institution -- which I completely agree with -- but the football program tends to be inextricably linked to the university.
That's why I find this hire so important.
I try not to let it, but Michigan football somehow seems to affect my mood on a daily basis. I feel like I've been on a three week bender. I don't really know if I have a definitive point here, other than the fact that I think this hire is extremely important -- considering the last time we had a national coaching search was 1969 -- and it is impossible for me to just sit idly by and adopt a "wait and see" attitude.
This is truly new territory for the football program and I hope BM knows this. Thanks to Brian and everyone who posts for being somewhat of a refuge during this process -- as well as an extreme detriment to my productivity.
my list
Rank these... King Grobe, Stoops, Miles, Meyer, Brian Kelly, Ferentz, Schiano, and for shits and giggles, Mike Debord.
stoops
KIng Grobe
Meyer
Ferentz
Schiano
kelly
Miles
deboard will not be ranked
this is my x and o football knowledge list....
not who i would think would make the best head coach...
ferentz might be above meyer... those top 5,, i could be wrong of course
CAUP, understood and good point.
Obrien 59
King Grobe 55
Pinkel 55
Miles 54
Ferentz 52
Hoke 48
Tedford 46
Petersen 43
English 39
Debord noone cares.
I'm a better candidate than Debord. Dude tried to blow me once in Nickels Arcade, but I wouldn't let him, even after he gave me a cigarette.
DCBlue-- I say yes. If one can bill "travel" time while they're reading a magazine on a plane, I see no reason why you can't peruse the board while appearing somewhere you need to be, but when you don't necessarily need to be doing anything while you're there.
Add me to the list of people who has met Hoke. I met him along with several others from the Michigan staff @ a coaching clinic. Sat at a table and had lunch with the guy. Yeah, he's a meathead but...He's a football coach, Most of those guys are meatheads. Some are just better at hiding it.
The one thing I'll always remember Hoke saying was that he was REALLY excited about this new kid Massey. Said he needed work but was going to be a good one.
Sanity Please --
Thanks for the hearty laugh with your refresh post.
Obrien 59
King Grobe 55
Pinkel 55
Miles 54
Ferentz 52
Hoke 48
Tedford 46
Petersen 43
English 39
Chimp 5
@lud
Welcome. If you're interested, the Grobe Mafia has an opening as Anthony (Michael Corleone's son), and Connie (Michael Corleone's wife)...
the funniest part of the KING GROBE
exudus form WF report, is the way that the WF slappies are so relieved that thier god is staying put, little do they no what the mafia has in store for the KING....
Thanks, gsimmons (and to everyone that ranked). Just curious.
Surprised you had Kelly so low, gsimmons-- again, as a non-coach fan, I tend to go with what I see and the general perception of a guy-- I thought of BK as a solid X/Os type of coach.
cfaller-- Connie is Michael's sister.
havnet payed that much attention to him to tell you the truth, he might very well be a great x and o guy....
cfaller-- I also think Luca Brasi is available... I know he suffers a tough fate, but the guy is badass. "On this day, of your daugh-tah's weddin'"
I'd gladly take any Grobe Mafia part that isn't already handed out. Even Luca Brasi.
Schiano is 41.....born in 1966.
May or not may have an offer on the table...not looking to cause any hysteria.....Brian, start digging around.
I like the whole we're going after Meyer rumors, but I say there's no way it happens. I can buy that Meyer doesn't get along with his AD and wants out eventually and that Michigan, ND, and OSU would be his 3 preferred destinations. But: 1) we're playing Florida in the bowl and can you imagine how crazy that would be if right after the bowl he announced he was going to U of M? I can't see that ever happening; 2) even if he wants one of these jobs he may only have to wait 1 more year for Notre Dame which would allow him to make another NC run with Florida and still come in as a savior. Too bad for us because it seems that perhaps with other circumstances he might really consider it.
ThWard,
Agreed. Brian Kelly is the best game coach on the list. If he ever gets the type of players Meyer and Stoops get at their schools, he would be in the top 5 among coaches.
However, if the "anti-Miles" contingent has issues with Miles' supposed brashness, imagine them trying to deal with Kelly. He is not a realistic choice without a major house cleaning.
Actually, even if he WAS choked out by a piano wire, Luca Brasi is one of the most important members of the Family. He's the guy who put the gun on the exec's head when the Godfather made the exec an offer he couldn't refuse-- just as gsimmons did to the Arkansas AD last night
these pretzels are making me thirsty.
HIre the chimp.
New from Brian:
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2007...s-in-
order.html
PT-- completely agree. Like I said, I have reason to believe gulfcoast's rumors... his rumors weren't the "We're getting coach X" variety. They were admittedly cautious, "I'm just saying there's a chance" type of rumors. And I already had reason to believe there was a chance. But that chance, imo, is 1-5%, max... and the circumstances just don't work right now for us to make a serious run.
If this was 2005? Maybe. Hell, even 2009... but not 2007
Ben from SF-
I remember a coach that was brash at Michigan. I think his name was Bo.
PT,
Urban Meyer came to Florida under the recommendation of the incoming president, who he worked with in Utah. It's a lot easier to move an AD than a football coach, especially one who has a MNC on his resume.
Meyer is quietly attaching his name to other jobs to get his boss removed. I don't think he has any serious intentions of leaving Florida.
"I remember a coach that was brash at Michigan. I think his name was Bo." -Anonymous
Bo also worked for Don Canham, who was equally as brash, and has the business instincts of a riverboat gambler.
Calling the current administration "conservative" would make William F Buckley cringe.
Bradley? Penn State's DC? Is that what it's come too?
Pathetic!
@ThWard
Shit, you're right, I was thinking of Kay. So Kay, Connie, and Anthony are all available for new members of the King Grobe Mafia.
Schaino is not coming. Carty had some good points on that. He knows Schaino and used to chat with him when he lived out east. He described Schiano as being absolutely in love with his job at Rutgers and very desirous of staying geographically close to his family. The finishing touches on his new house over there are also complete. Overall, Carty said he'd basically be shocked if Schiano left all of that to take the UM job.
That's too bad because from what I've read about Schiano, he's a smart, charismatic football fanatic who would (in my opinion) be the equivalent of hiring Les Miles...and that's saying a lot because I consider Miles to be the ultimate fit for our program.
If no Schiano, then we drop, drop, drop down the list to our next choice...I shudder to think.
Wojo had a nice writeup today about Bill Martin. BM insists he's following a "plan." BM's plan is apparently to submit to being morbidly aloof and naive about the hiring process while consulting with tarot readers and soothsayers over which direction to go. He's following his planto perfection thus far.
cfaller-
No prob. I have 3 jobs. 1.) Convert R-Lew on Grobe. 2.) Know the movie like the back of my hand (already do. Check). 3.) Get gunned down in a toll booth (trying to prevent that from happening, but who knows).
I changed from a Trio to a Blackberry but still managed to get the memo that tOSU sucks balls.
lud...there's not a guy reading this that wouldn't cosign that post.
Hoke and Bradley = disinformation.
If we are really interested in Schiano, and we should be, what is the biggest reason he might not come? Penn State job in the future.
What would be the best way to persuade Schiano that the PSU job will not be opening? Show Schiano that their DC and heir apparent is going nowhere.
Ben -
Kelly is not a candidate because of the way he handled this situation:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/
ne...ce=NCFHeadlines
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/
...ovember_26.html
Schiano is not leaving New Jersey. I like Petersen, I'm not convinced he's ready to leave Boise.
Grobe is a good coach. If you're going to consider someone who has turned around a less glamorous program, doesn't that put guys like Turner Gill at Buffalo Tim Murphy at Harvard into the conversation?
*notices the canolis next to me on the back seat, wonders why we got off route 9.*
crap.
Meyer would have to be clinically insane to leave his contract with Florida. He has it made there
Michigan AD Bill Martin's infamous sailing trip in the Keys last weekend was actually cover for a trip to Gainesville.
You do the math.
Be careful Michigan, if you screw up the next coach interested in being UM's next coach you will be 0 for 2 just like Arkansas.
The buy out of Miles' new contract is still $1.25 million the same as last week. Nothing has changed. Michigan could still hire him.
All Martin has to say to him is 5 years and $18 million.
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