Just when Carty was beginning to earn some respect, he goes and steps in the giant turd of inanity. Again.
Wilbon has hated us for years. He once called Lloyd Carr a "cretin" on PTI. So if he still hates us that's par for the course.
Wilbon hating Michigan is also a bit of an affectation. He's admitted as such in the past. Makes for good TV
carty is a loser. it's OK for much of the national media to give us a hard time, we're used to it. Most people are jealous and envious of us. However, Carty needs to realize he is a hometown writer and should defend our institution. If not, just leave Carty.
If I am a coach thinking about going to WVU, I have second thoughts after this ridiculous, psycho-ex girlfriend smear campaign.
Steve Fisher left the basketball program in shambles and gets a pat on the back on the way out the door. RR MAKES that program relevant and gets a paper bag with shit inside on his front door step.
If this is how they are acting, it is no surprise he left. These people area psycho, and ESPN will be more than happy to help them out while ignoring Reggie Bush.
Former or still lawyer. This was BS from the start, there is no way student records or anything else was shredded and no way if this were the case, WVU waits 3 - 4 weeks. Presumably, the football office still operated after Rodriguez left. Unfortunately, some lawyers have been weighing in muddling the legal issues. The real issue is this makes no sense whatsoever. One thing you learn in litigation, basically any side can make any allegation they want. The truth has nothing to do with it. I'll be holding my breath for the articles when this is resolved saying this was a smear job. I've got no particular brief for Rodriguez and rarely post, my litigator past leads me to believe, the bigger the claim, the less likely it's true. They are trying to pressure him to pony up 4M, he didn't, this is desperation. Sad really. Let it go, he's gone and all you are doing is reinforcing every reason why he left. Plus, after Stewart? flames out, what coach in his right mind would go there? Shortsighted. Welcome to 5-6 football.
Carty writes for MSU fans. The more UM people hate it, the more they lap it up. The Free Press is fundamentally about selling newspapers, remember.
Maybe they don't know proper business precedure in WVA.
There is a big issue about the daughter of the governor getting an MBA from the school when she only had half of the credits necessary (she is also currently working for one of the largest donors for WVU). They set up a council to investigate, but they needed a new chair because the old one had ties to the governor. If you want to look into further the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has been tracking it.
Pretty shady things going on down there.
The timing of this is without question to disrupt recruiting. One Feb 6 happens, this all blows over.
I do expect more quotes like that last one. I think everyone is starting to figure out that there is nothing to this story.
Speaking of the governor, WHY THE FUCK IS HE SO INVOLVED IN ALL OF THE HAPPENINGS OF THE WVU FOOTBALL PROGRAM? Helping to search for a new coach? How about making your state less of a shithole, fuckface.
You don't see Jennifer Manholm putting her big hairy man paws into the cookie jar that is the Michigan football program.
If it is any consolation, I spent my 21st b-day in Parkersburg, WV and threw up there.
I am sure most people who go to WV throw-up at some point.
Make no mistake, WVU lawyers are vetting these anonymous comments before they are published; WVU isn't going to risk an expensive libel judgment over this. I'll bet everyone has been told this orally (no smoking gun memos to find in discovery) and everyone can claim ignorance in a deposition. A rather vindictive lot, aren't they? And they'll still be blaming RR twenty years from now unless someone can maintain/reclaim WVU's recent success.
as much as i hate to see RR get dragged thru the mud like this i think its gonna have him more fueled than he's ever been to put together a solid football team.
"The things they are saying are not true," Rodriguez said. "It's a lie. How can you put out lies and think it's OK? They don't care what the truth is, they just want to smear Rich Rodriguez."
Yeah I could do without the third-person reference, Coach. But I'm keeping the faith!
Yeah, agreed...RRod is pretty much going to be the Bill Belickeck (sp?) of College Football this coming season.
It would be kinda cool if we end up playing WVU in a bowl game next year, eh?
ya if we lose 5 games we'll see WVU so I dunno if i want to see that. But fuck WFV, go back to your coal mines you disposable members of society!!
Why do people hate Michigan so much. It isn't like we are the winningest football program in hist...oh wait..yes we are. People in WV are sad, bitter little trolls. That state sucks, and RichRod, and Beilein are better for get the heck out of there. A good portion of the media these days are just to lazy to check facts...God help WVU if we ever play them in a bowl game...because no amount of football skills will save them from the a** kicking that we will put on them.
1. OSU
2. Notre Dame
3. Little Bro
4. WVU
Seriously
@ Intermountain Alum
This is the point. Whether or not they are being vetted by WVU lawyers is irrelevant since they are leaking through anonymous sources these allegations. You have 1st amendment protections, anonymous sources and nobody held accountable. If they make these allegations in the pleadings (which still really mean little) and allow witnesses to be deposed, I'd give it some credence. Never will come to that. Incidently, I find it funny when I read a WVU lawyer comment on removing the case to federal court - like this was a somehow suspect. First of all it happens all the time. Second, I worked in Chicago, I can only imagine the type of impartial justice RR would get in from of a WV local judge.
Reminds me of why I quit doing it.
Given the timing and allegations, its pretty obvious what's going on. Carty ALMOST had it, but not quite. (not surprising)
WVU finally got the hint that RR didn't feel he needed to pay his buyout in full, called in the lawyers, who undoubtedly said, "Good luck getting all 4 mil. Not Gonna happen."
So WVU, (read: jilted lover (read: psychotic bitch)) wants some way, ANY way to make him pay. So, the lawyers figure they'll just toss some shit against the wall and see what sticks, hoping eventually RR gets spooked and says, "Ok, I give. Here's your 4 mil."
It would be much cooler for us to be in a bowl game and for them to be sitting at home.
TennBlue: Carty writes for the AA News. Drew Sharp is the idiot to whom you are referring.
Rodriguez's response was fine. Until he referred to himself in the third person.
bleu - I disagree that this is over the 4 mill. This is personal between Pastilong and Rodriguez.
Oh, and Ukraine, I would expect that RR will get just as fucked in Fed Ct than he would in State Court. RR needs to get the most connected, well respected lawyer in the court house and hope the jurors all went to Virginia Tech.
F@#$ CARTY, F@#$ WEST VIRGINIA, F@#$ WILBON, F@#$ EVERYONE THAT IS NOT TRUE BLUE!!!
DO YOUR THING MR. RODRIGUEZ, HATERS HAVE ONE JOB, TO HATE. THEY CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES THEIR FATHER IS THE DEVIL.
Your mother sucks cocks in hell!
Stupid question from a lowly law student to any lawyer on the board (with the understanding that nothing anyone writes constitutes legal advice); how is the 4 million dollar buyout not an unenforceable penalty clause?
Dex - +666
The national media is a lost cause. But there must be someway to make the local media pay for this. I wonder if their little honeymoon with RR is over. By that i mean, no more fee lunches guys and no more access to coaches. I am starting to understand why LC ran the place as The Fort.
More importantly, Terrelle Pryor doesn't care about shredded documents.
Seriously, too many talking heads. Get the facts, and then call me.
WFV is going to be a horrible program as long as Stewert is head coach. I mean come on, his first head coaching gig he doesn't win and then makes a racist comment and quits. Now he goes from SPECIAL TEAMS COACH to head coach because "he" won the game. Um excuse me that was RR's staff that called every play and RR's players that won that game. Stewert is old and scary looking, what top recruit is going to want to play for that clown. WVU fans know it which is why they are holding on the this RR stuff for as long as they possibly can because they dont want to bear the shame that their football team will bring that shitty ass state. I can't wait for the next couple weeks when the rest of the world finds out how unclassy, ignorant, and plain uneducated that AD is and how idiotic and childish it was for them to just throw out these allegations. Their first main concerns were that they didn't have records for the players, that was the first thing they were all pissed about. Soon as someone says "well dummies your school should have them" they go, "ooooh yeah oops" well we still want to know about the S&C results (why because you don't have an s&c program?) and then they here "well all your coaches were given copies"
"ohhh, well, um, death to RR"
"ok wfv, you need to move on and find a less attractive woman to stalk"
This shredgate business is perfect for WVU – albeit transparently disingenuous. They can claim RR took/shred a bunch of documents. Everyone jumps to conclusions. It "looks" bad for RR and UM. But they don't have to lie about it since RR probably did take/shred a bunch of documents (it's just that whatever he took/shred was something they wouldn't think twice about if done by anyone else).
Rest assured, all of this will up and disappear like a fart in the wind once the buyout gets settled. And I'm 100% sure it will get settled before spring practices. Because what WVU really doesn't want is for RR to air the WVU AD's dirty laundry which is what will happen as this goes forward. Once both parties stand to lose something, an mutually acceptable agreement will miraculously appear. .
Because newspaper reporters are almost all categorically knuckle-dragging ass clowns with inflated egos and a self-important attitude?
I wish there were as many updates about recruiting as there were about these issues. Like Brian said, I hope this gets sorted out and I'm not going to worry about it anymore until it does. On that note, I hope none of this crap is true.
J Lichty, I agree this is personal. That money means nothing. The WV administration, because of their bumbling incompetence, lost their best football coach ever. Soon after losing one of their best basketball coaches ever. To the same school. And it's not like they left for jobs that were going to pay them that much more. The buyout fight and subsequent smear campaign is to prevent the administration from being tarred and feathered for losing 2 of the best coaches WV ever had. It's a simple diversion tactic.
I have a tough time believing that if RichRod left a check on his desk to cover his tab on his way out, (not that I think he should have, its obvious these people are batshit insane.) this would not have even gotten started. They're pissed because they thought he'd love them forever and now he won't pay his alimony.
these allegations are absolutely ludicrus and i'm not just saying that because i'm a michigan stan. there is a total dearth of critical thinking applied here, which is an all too sad part of the american pysche. i went to college for journalism and we were always taught that off-the-record sources were little more than individuals who could provide guidance on how to obtain SOURCED information. as with all succesful entities, a national if not baseless hate regarding michigan has always been present. and thats fine, whatever. but when it is just malicious nonsense that is being employed by a university for no other reasons than spite, well, i think there's a problem with that. if i'm ever king of the united states, i swear to you that i'm taking every single citizen of the entire state of WV and putting them in labor camps where, hopefully, they'll start to develop some character.
RR Shredded WVU Players
a la Fargo
Recruiting note: Star Jackson is looking at us now.
4 star QB, 6-3 4.6 40
aka poor mans pryor
BREAKING NEWS FROM THE CHARLESTON CITIZEN-PATRIOT-ASS CLOWN:
RichRod took a piss in a bathroom that was state property and DID NOT WASH HIS HANDS BEFORE RETURNING TO WORK, DESPITE CLEAR AND VISIBLE SIGNAGE THAT ALL EMPLOYEES HAD TO DO SO.
@ AAB
I'm a tax attorney, not a contract guy. But . . . I'm thinking that when a coach makes $2 million and year and a successful football team that makes big bowls brings in many many times more than that, a $4 million dollar "liquidated damages" provision doesn't really sound all that unreasonable.
In this case, it may even be that it doesn't even cover actual damages. But again, not really sure.
Eff these hicks. I am tired of hearing them belly-ache. Listen, you state full of pissants, were it not for Don Nehlen--a Bo protege--there wouldn't be a program there to begin with.
If I were Rich, I would start telling the media about the luxury cars and money handshakes he saw Steve Slaton receive.
BREAKING NEWS
RICHROD WAS SEEN EXITING A WFV PUBLIC RESTROOM WHERE HE ALLEGEDLY TOOK A SHIT IN THE URINAL
In a way, we're lucky WVU quickly replaced Beilein with Huggins.
WFV's finest are on the case!!!
Where did you see the Star Jackson stuff. I thought he said the other day he is not waivering from 'Bama.
wvu's richrod smear campaign is even more pathetic than the time my moms caught me jerking it to the bra section of the kohl's catalouge.
Grab the popcorn and watch the ultimate " I am RichRod "meltdown. RichRod and the spread-n-shred offense has come to AA. Only for fans to discover that he's contaminated with a disease mutated from a drug meant to cure cancer. Does your hair fall out in lumps? Do your eyes look piss yellow? Oh you have sold your souls to the devil UM fans....
Carty, Wilbon, Valenti - Some people not only should never have been taught to read and right, they never should have been taught to speak.
TrueBlueLaw, good point. Too bad WVU couldn't have coaxed Nick Saban to come home. It would have saved us a lot of heartache. They know they're fucked with Stewart as they're coach. So they have to blame the downfall of the program on RR.
I think WVU is just pissed that RRod had a shredder and didn't tell them, they would have used that to get rid of documents instead of burning them in trash cans and uising them as heating fuel.
i heard the same about Star Jackson that he is considering us.
Warning: legal explanation follows:
I have not read the contract, but I am sure it describes the buyout as a liquidated damages clause, which allow the parties to specify in advance an estimated value of how badly a party would be damaged if the other party breached the contract. They're typically only enforceable if the contract provides something like:
"the parties hereto hereby agree that in the event of a breach by either party that the nature of this Agreement would prevent an accurate measurement or estimation of the actual damages incurred by the nonbreaching party" and "that the parties hereto hereby agree that $xxx,xxx.xx is a fair and reasonable estimation of damages resulting for a breach and that the nonbreaching party shall be entitled to this amount in liquidated damages in the event of a breach." (disclaimer, I did not draft that liquidated damages clause and the foregoing does not constitute a legal opinion from Baconpants, Esq which may be relied upon by any party for any reason)
Even if a judge found the buyout ie liquidated damages clause to be unenforceable, RR would still be on the hook for actual damages if the judge determined he breached the K, but since they won their bowl game and hired a new coach already, those damages would likely be minimal.
His name is Star? Like Star Jones?
SoJ, funny coming from a guy whose head coach has been investigated by the NCAA at his last 2 stops.
You don't see Jennifer Manholm putting her big hairy man paws into the cookie jar that is the Michigan football program.
Hey, shit on her performance as guvna if you like, but the she's fine. I'd fuck the shit outta Granholm.
yeah dex thats right. try not to judge too quickly.
Anyone know anything about the Penn State running back who is supposed to be visiting this weekend?
Proctor,
I am so, so sorry.
I usually reserve cussin' for important things, but I'll say this:
FUCK you, Charleston Rag. You're exploiting your FOIA rights just to get more dirt on RichRod while entirely ignoring your hometown school's grossly inept athletic department. Goddamn sore losers.
"Carty, Wilbon, Valenti - Some people not only should never have been taught to read and right, they never should have been taught to speak."
I agree with you, but were you taught how to read and WRITE?
proctor:
you'd really bang man hands granholm? i mean, she's got a duk nuk'em hair cut for god's sake.
At some point in time, the new boyfriend is supposed to kick the ass of the psycho ex-boyfriend... when do we get to do that?
His birth name is Alpha Centauri Jackson, but he goes by Star.
@baconpants
I was kind of assuming it was described as a liquidated damages provision. My question was more; is it? I mean, is 4 million dollars a reasonable estimate of the damages from him leaving? Not that I'm convinced it's even worth fighting, but 4 mil seems high. But TrueBlueLaw disagrees, so I'll defer to my wiser counterparts.
The shredding crap will eventually blow over and be proven ridiculous, I really think.
But this stuff about recruiting violations and inappropriate phone calls or whatever... that stuff... scares me.
Baconpants, if I ever have to go to court, can you defend me and introduce yourself as baconpants? That would rock. Thank you.
Michael Shaw is the RB PSU recruit. He is a teammate of Brandon Moore. Rivals has him listed as the #7 overall RB.
http://michigan.rivals.com/viewp...=1&
pr_key=59754
Bill Martin is going to sail the shit out of West Virginia. Summersville Lake will feel the cold fiberglass of his regatta.
1. I'd do Granholm as well.
2. A guy named Star is way cooler than a guy named Terrell, it's just science.
@ baconpants and AAB
I published my piece of malpractice with the disclaimer that I knew it was probably malpractice. Thus, I'm absolved of any wrongdoing, right?
@ GoBlue8306
A good point. I humbly retract my earlier statement.
From previous thread, but I thought it was appropriate here:
WRT RR - When he accepted the UM job, didn't he put his resignation at WVU for 1/02/08? Later WVU came back and gave a date that he was effectively not employed by them anymore. All the calls in the article were, IIRC, during the time he had accepted the UM job, but was still at WVU. Maybe one of you with some extra time on your hands could make a timeline of all the random events alleged in this continuing saga.
BTW: In NC, the popular opinion is that RR is fine, but WVU is nuts!
NCWolverine | 01.17.08 - 12:48 pm | #
Speaking of Bill and his regatta, I don't know if this ever came up in the coaching search, but over by the train station in A2 there is a little restaurant/bar (can't remember the name for the life of me right now) and on the wall they have a bunch of sailing trophies belonging to one Bill Martin. Gave me a good chuckle when I was in town for the UCLA game last month.
@TrueBlueLaw
I'm almost positive that's how it works. If you know you're screwing up, it doesn't count. It's like "no backsies" or something.
the way i see all this is, Michigan is that guy in high school that stole wvu's girlfriend, TWICE, in an effort to get back at girlfriend number 2 little wvu has tried to spread rumors that she has an STD, come to think of it she had it when she was with wvu as well but he managed to ignore it. it wouldnt make sense in that situation and it doesn't in this real one either. at the end of the day little wvu will get his while Michigan drives off into the sunset with his new girlfriend and her new rings
Eric:
WRITE, not right. We cannot allow any Mountaineers to pick up on this error.
AAB - are you (or any other lurkers) at UM law? I would like to hear Clark's take on this contract in Sports Law...
I think that the reason WVU settled for less on the Beilein buyout is that 2.5mil was not going to be enforceable had it ended up in court, based on their actual damages. He left after recruiting was over, he made less money, they got a coach with similar or better credentials. The damages with RR's breach, based on those criteria, would be much more significant, however, I have a hard time seeing a judge allowing damages beyond a year of RR's salary at WVU.
The shredding crap will eventually blow over and be proven ridiculous, I really think.
But this stuff about recruiting violations and inappropriate phone calls or whatever... that stuff... scares me.
This stuff about recruiting violations and inappropriate phone calls or whatever will eventually blow over and be proven ridiculous, I really think.
@ MRG
I think a public comment from Bill Martin in defense of his new coach would be a nice gesture, and possibly warranted at this point. I understand wanting to keep his distance from manners that don't involve him - but the messier this gets, the more his coach can't focus on his duties, the more this becomes Bill Martin's problem. Plus, sticking up for RichRod now, could certainly go along way to foster some loyalty in this relationship...
Does anyone know if Beilein ever had problems with the AD at WVU? I didn't hear anything but I know they couldn't have been too happy about it. Any comments from him past or present?
west fucking virginia. the name is appropriate. for the state is full of inbreeding fuckrs.
@baconpants
I did my undergrad at UofM, but there were way too many hot girls there for me to handle.
So I'm at Chicago for law. Don't have that problem anymore.
@AAB
All the hot girls were distracting? Or you simply couldn't get to them all each semester?
completely off subject, but has anyone read the new book on Bo Schembechler? Is it good/worthwhile read?
AAB - ahh, the campus suicide capital.. jk, I came down to Chicago and UM for law school, and in the end, laziness about moving to and learning about a new place to live won out. Heck, my laziness continues, I live and practice in AA.
i hate people that got into good law schools.
Velocity, I agree.
Re: the $4 million - I don't see how that is a reasonable estimate of damages. RR left in December, more than a month and a half before recruiting season ended. They hired a coach who won a major bowl game at a salary far lower than what they are paying RR. Had they been willing to spend RR's salary, they could have gotten a coach with similar credentials. In my mind, the only damages that occurred were any costs incurred from the time RR resigned to when they hired Stewart. So costs of interviewing candidates, etc. At most also include costs of hiring replacements for assistants he took. No way that approaches anywhere near $4 million.
@Baconpants, esq etc.
Seems to me you have two sophisticated parties (in a legal sense no WV jokes please). If everything else was on the up and up in the contract, I don't really see a court substituting its opinion of the contract under some sort of unfairness theory for the opinion of the parties reached after negotiation. In my uninformed opinion, RR will probably have to pay the 4M and UM should have worked this out before they hired him. I guess they felt it would be a Beilien situation where they would just take some cash and be done with it. Can anybody contact Lionel Hutz? He might have some insights.
I shredded documents when I left my last job. All were either backed up or pertaining only to me. It's not only common, it's the correct thing to do. This is so inane.
Someone needs to take WVU out to a strip club and buy it some lap dances so that it can move past it's former sugar daddy and get on with it's life.
And this writer from the Charleston newspaper is reminding me a bit of the slimey writer from the current season of "The Wire." Nice use of unnamed sources.
Lionel Hutz is the WVU staff attorney.
That was a cheap shot.
don't worry big gay heart, I got into good law schools but I am functionally retarded when it comes to using the internets, eg cutting and pasting links
Decades ago, Joe Namath was asked by Johnny Carson what he thought of all the negative articles written about him? Namath replied, "I don't read newspapers or magazines!"
Johnny, "You mean you don't read articles about yourself, surely you do read newspapers and magazines."
Namath, "No, I don't. I personally know that 90% of all the stuff written about me is false -- so I must also conclude that 90% of everything else in newspapers and magazines (and now ESPN!) is also completely false. Why would I waste my time reading any of this stuff!"
Jeez, if you are going to smear someone at least make it believable.
Now we are starting to get an idea of why RR would leave WVU. He was undoubtedly putting up with crap like this when he was there (RR even alluded to this in one of his appearances).
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we jsut need to get a handful of boosters to pay this 4 million thing off so that wvu will leave us alone. when you screw around with people who have nothing to lose, they dedicate themselves to annoyance. the point, of course, is that wvu exists in a total vacumn. this is all that matters to them because its all they have. so, out of spite, they'll continue to take chance after chance. i say, lets just bite the bullet and move on.
@ M Legend
I read it. It's got some really good stories and if you like good life lessons it's full of them. It really gives a good look at the founder of the "Michigan Man" image. I really gained a lot of knowledge for business stuff because he relates all of the football stuff to life and business. I'd read it again and make everyone of my employees read if I had employees.
baconpants:
i took that stupid test and did somewhat poorly on it. mostly out of not caring and wanting to go to graduate school more. still, it would have been nice to do well.
the internets is confusing, anyway. up until 6 moths ago, i thought it was exclusively for porn.
Bo Schembechler did not found the "Michigan Man" image. It had been around for a long, long time before Bo. He was simply the best exemplar of it in modern times.
It would be nice -- and reasonable -- if the media started to turn this around on West Virginia. RR is not the first coach to leave before a bowl game -- and remember he offered to coach it, but WVa (rightly) said never mind. He did nothing wrong except take a better offer at a more prestigious school and football program. How many of these reporters who are skewering RR would turn down an offer from say the New York Times or SI? WVa is acting absurd and someone should call them on it.
Regarding the liquidated damages, there are all kinds of issues including whether WVa lived up to the agreement in the first place. Also, at this time, it appears the suit is at best premature. RR hasn't said he won't pay it and the money isn't due yet. Just because individuals have said RR is going to contest it, doesn't make that contest a fact.
After all the crap Houston Nutt took at Arkansas--while he was still their head coach--I'm not surprised that Coach Rodriguez did clean out his office and destroy some of the records there. Seeing the reaction coming out of West Virginia--from the university, the athletic department, the governor, Senator Rockefeller, the general public and the press--I don't blame him a bit for trying to protect himself.
We're already seeing an article published in the newspaper about his emails, text messages and phone calls around the time he left West Virginia for Michigan. Can you imagine what might have been publishedin the WV newspapers if they had access to his personal notes, etc. on the football program?
But this stuff about recruiting violations and inappropriate phone calls or whatever
There were no recruiting violations, Brian explained quite clearly that the alleged offenses are based on a completely misunderstanding of NCAA rules. Please re-read what he wrote.
MOTIVE??
What's the motive for RR shredding this stuff??
I've seen and heard the allegations.
Has anyone given a motive?
If there is no motive, ooops, all the allegations sound pretty stupid?
Has anyone heard an alleged motive?
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Ukraine, regardless of the equal sophistication of the parties, since this is an employment contract, I think the court will look at it differently. Forcing RR to pay 2 years worth of salary after taxes to get out of an employment contract reeks of indentured servitude. Courts don't want to enforce contract terms that would essentially force people to stay in their jobs. Just my 2 cents.
@ Anonymous - you are correct, of course - and that's why we shouldn't post in anger
rich rod was actually shredding old issues of cherry. although he did love the december 95 issue featuring vaginal insertion of a live lobster, he felt it was simply time to move on. nostalgia and porn can be a volatile mix if unchecked.
Here's the motive...he didn't just want to toss his player's student aid or medical records into the trash and hope no one else found them. This is not to say that someone would have found something illegal and I firmly believe there are copies available in the proper hands. Could you imagine the fall out if Pat White's student aid and health records hit the internet? Then people would be screaming that RR didn't destroy his files upon leaving.
Rich Rod should just get some high buck Michigan booster to pay the 4 million. By the way you Michigan fans are getting way to upset about all of this. Remember it is just football. There are many more important things in life. Enjoy it for what it is, a diversion and fun.
@Tubes
Fixed:
1. OSU
2. Notre Dame
3. Little Bro
4. SEC
5. WVU
6. Al-Qaeda
"Mr. Hutz, do you have any further evidence on this matter?"
"I have plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are KINDS of evidence."
My God...Lionel Hutz IS WVU's attorney!!!
I sincerely hope that Chip F. is not a WVU fan, or the amount of irony in his comment may cause the Earth to implode.
@ Jeff
I read what he wrote and understood it. There are two things which continue to concern my regarding recruiting, even still.
1) The fact that WVU is hellbent on finding and proving wrongdoing. Just because that hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't. Hardly anyone is perfect when they're under a microscope...
2) Public perception of this program (be it accurate or inaccurate) is taking a beating because of the aforementioned misunderstandings. You can say that none of that matters as long as NCAA sanctions aren't imposed, but I'm not satisfied with the reputation of the program being unjustly tarnished.
@ Enjoy Life
Never heard any mention of an express motive. About the only thing that's really be stated as that these documents may have been official state documents and he shouldn't have destroyed them.
But what seems to be implied -- and probably the only reason this story has legs -- is that RR was sticking it to WVU or that he was covering something up.
@Chip F
"Remember it is just football. There are many more important things in life."
Uh, here is the actual quote "This is just football. It's not a matter of life or death -- No, it is FAR MORE IMPORTANT, than that!"
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re: record keeping
University spokeswoman Amy Neil said the WVU Office of Admissions and Records maintains grade and attendance records in a separate location, so no student-athlete’s academic career is at risk.
“We’re not sure what records are missing, but all student records, including those of the football team, are kept within the Office of Admissions and Records,” she said. “Those records are secure.”
So it's established then, West f'in Virginia's sole computer is kept in the WVU Office of Admissions and Records. I wonder if it's ENIAC and takes up the entire building? Too bad RichRod couldn't shred that too, just to make the All Your Everything Are Belong to Us complete.
When a coach (or for that matter anyone) starts talking in the third person, there may be a problem.
Big Gay Heart
"although he did love the december 95 issue featuring vaginal insertion of a live lobster, he felt it was simply time to move on"
http://www.snopes.com/risque/juv...ile/
lobster.asp
After I read your comment,it reminded me of this fine story.
Michigan Law 96 -- just my take on the 4 mil in the K. It's liquidated damages, or so WVU will argue, negotiated and agreed to by both parties. That being said, I just got a $500,000 settlement for a client who sued under a defamation by implication theory. Wonder if RRod would like my firm's services? He'll pay about 2 mil, and move on.
The only thing that I can see Rodriguez guilty of is using the wrong phone when he called these kids. That's it. The rest of this, as Brian says, is so unbelievably asinine that it defies belief by any rational person.
I can't get over the Mcarty "pay up" lecture. I mean, are you serious? He has this cavalier attitude like it's a $50 speeding ticket. "Just pay it, dude."
Mcarty: It's 4 million dollars! If there is any legal grey area involved, you fight it. Hell, even if it's only reduced by 25%, that's a lot of money. Additionally, it irritates the bejesus out of me that a freakin' journalist with no knowledge of the facts of the case would so flippantly dismiss it all with a "pay up." What a hack.
BREAKING NEWS 1:
Rich Rodriguez has resigned as coach of WFVU and taken up a job posting as head football coach at the University of Michigan.
BREAKING NEWS 2:
WFVU is a piece of crap.
The thing I wonder about is with respect to the student records and all that jazz, why not just leave them there? Presumably, the next coach will be in the same office. If that coach doesn't want them, let him take care of them. Did someone tell RR to clean out his office?
The WVU/RR employment agreement, second amendment, provides:
"Unless Coach terminates his employment under this Agreement due to a permanent retirement from the University and all other employment with any coaching responsibility with an institution of higher education, in addition to all other forfeitures and penalties provided herein, Coach will pay University the sum of . . .(b) Four Million Dollars ($4,000,000.00), payable, as further described below . . . . This sum shall be deemed to be liquidated damages . . . "
I am not cherrypicking - to me "forfeitures and penalties" smacks not of a liquidated damages proviso but rather a penalty clause.
FYI I picked up a posting parasite in the wee hours last night. Hat tip to Wolvinohio for his prior post to the affected thread. Sometimes I get the feeling that some people are hostile to lawyers ;>)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...h?
v=YPjoN2R1JMI
wolverine in ma:
omg. food for thought next time my mind starts to juxtapose sexual pleasure and seafood.
LSU should definitely be in the to 5 most hated teams
\ His birth name is Alpha Centauri Jackson, but he goes by Star.//
NO shit? That is, seriously, the coolest thing ever.
If we get into a recruiting fight over this guy we are involved in
(wait for it)
"Star Wars".
The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.
@baconpants, et al.
I'm a 2L at MLaw, I'll ask Clark for his take on it.
i thought you might get a kick out of that
Re: Star Jackson, Major Applewhite was the QB coach where he committed, and last week left for another job. This is why Star is back in play
Why?
I mean, why is LSU in the Top 5?
the hilarious thing about major applewhite is how he was a figurehead OC. its like rawls and burrel is season 4 of the wire.
Maybe RR's files were the only copy. Seems that WVU can't keep records worth a damn.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/0.../850020-
100.stm
Apparently the Registrar changed a student's transcript such that six classes that had not been completed were somehow completed. Funny how the professor doesnt have record of her being in one of the classes. Also funny how the student is the governors daughter.
The sad thing about it is that the general populus appears too stupid to catch the brazenly corrupt in their midst.
West F'in Virginia, indeed.
LSU's my second favorite team. They've got a Michigan alumnus coach and beat the shit out of OSU.
Shoot, I was hoping that Star's birth name was really Zeta^2 Reticuli...
...oh well...
@J lichty, I totally agree. I think that RR definitely left because he was unhappy at WVU, not because he is greedy. The way that WVU fans are acting now shows why he had to get out. I just wish that he hadn't said that he would be there for a long time.
The main issue with Jim Carty is that he expects all coaches to be upfront and grant full access to the media. That's why he had so many issues with Carr. One thing in the article that illustrates this is Carty's disapproval of RR's refusal to speak about his convo with Michigan in Toledo on that Friday in December. Not only did RR do the right thing, but just about everyone else in the media agreed that he did
the right thing by not speaking or lying. That was actually one honorable thing he did in all this. But Carty appears to think otherwise because of his ludicrous expectations of coaches. The guy, IMO, shouldn't be a reporter if he expects all avenues to just open up for him.
I'm guessing LSU makes the top 5 because someone still is hanging on to the Les Miles hope(?) and he's still at LSU.
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Rollins College? I clicked on the NCAA rules link and that's where Brian went to grab a reference. I was hoping it would lead to some deep, impossible-to-find corner of the NCAA site. Is Rollins College the only place that posts the NCAA's rules?
Don't know if it has been posted
Mallett to Arkansas
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/sto...b/story/
7687108
Every coach in America should say "I'll be here for a long time".
Would you prefer "I'll be here for a few years and then move on to something better!"?
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Don't know if it has been posted
Mallett to Arkansas
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/sto.../sto...b/story/
7687108
bdubya | 01.17.08 - 2:09 pm | #
This just in: The sky is blue. Water is wet.
BILG called me the other day to let me know Miles is signing his contract on Tuesday of next week, btw.
The good news is that outside of MI and WV (with some tOSU lovers piling on because it's fun to do) no one even knows about this. I live in California and these claims have not hit the papers, sports radio, etc.
That being said, I'm glad this site is here to point out that the assaults on our coach are total bullshit.
@ chitownblue 00
you are really stupid. water is not wet. water makes things wet upon contact.
you are a true moron.
Hey, Wolverine in MA...that's right on par with "Two Girls, One Cup". If I didn'twant the Pats to win this weekend I'd wish something really bad on you for that.
@Nick, I also heard Wilbon call Carr a neanderthal during the BCS drama last year when Carr said that Tressel's decision not to vote in the coaches' poll was "slick." As much as I like Wilbon and Kornheiser, Wilbon (self-admittedly) hates Michigan. It's an Illinois thing. (He roots for Illinois in basketball if I'm not mistaken.)
Carr is the classiest coach around. Kornheiser and Wilbon are so reasonable on many issues but Wilbon's dislike of Lloyd is ridiculous.
@PT
I'm with you in principle but in practice courts are extremely reluctant to mess with contracts under any theory. Fairness has little to do with it, sadly. It's also pretty hard to argue indentured servitude when your client is making 2M a year. I mean to us he's sympathetic, to others he's a guy that just screwed over his alma mater. The other thing is judges do not like to get smacked down on appeal. Easiest thing to do is find that RR broke the contract. I'm sympathetic to him, WVU is clearly the vengeful party and treating him unfairly but in my opinion, the law is on their side. Again, why "leak" the shredding crap. Classless.
I heard they're moving the University of Michigan from Detroit to Ann Arbor. Where's that?
Don't know if it has been posted
Mallett to Arkansas
Yeah, like 4 days ago when it actually happened.
Reminds me of an old SNL bit where they were asking people where they were when they found out Kennedy was shot. One guy said, I was walking accross Campus after class, and someone told me Kennedy had been shot. The reporter says that you look like you are in college now, Kennedy was shot you would have been a child. The guy responds, yeah I just found out about 15 minutes ago.
This guy Muschamp that Mack Brown hired as a DC looks impressive. Why didn't RR talk to him?
http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/col...mark&
id=3199052
Wilbon went to Northwestern. That is why he hates Michigan.
Law-type lawyer here (a lawyer from UM, imagine!)
WVU does NOT want to litigate the $4 million buyout. No way, no how, uh-uh, not gonna do it.
Here's why: Whether a specified remedy is liquidated damages or a penalty is always a tough call, and think about the position WVU would have to take in asserting that $4 million is a reasonable approximation of their damages in this case. Basically, they have to get up and argue that RR is a god and their new coach is, well, garbage I guess -- otherwise, how in the world do you get to $4 million in damages from RR leaving?
Now, they may or may not win that argument, but regardless, think about the effect that would have on: (1) recruiting, (2) boosters, (3) current players, (4) fans, (5) the existing coach, (6) basically everything having to do with their program.
RR (and any other coach who has a buyout provision like this) is in the catbird seat when it comes to fighting these things out.
I think RR has hinted that that his defense is that he is excused from performance of the contract due to the material breach of the contract by the other party, not that the buyout is uneforceable on its face. That is a much more common contractual defense.
After doing some independent research on boards unaffiliated with either school, here is my take on the national consensus of this story...
1. Story posted
2. UM fan chimes in saying it's BS
3. WVU fan disagrees
4. M fan says WVU was irrelevant before Rod
5. WVU fan points to the fact they played for a national title in the 80s as proof WVU made Rod
6. Random fan of another program tells them they both suck
7. Another random fan makes couch joke
8. Random fan makes App State joke
9. WVU-UM bickering continues
10. Other fans stare blankly and think both are retarded
i dont get why people like these talking heads. wilbon and cornheiser were both poor regional sportswriters who got lucky and got a show on the alleged worldwide leader. neither really possesses any grasp of humor, relevance, or scope. its pathetic, really.
The real problem with the MSM publishing this crap is that a huge percentage of people will believe it FOREVER!
Currently about 35% of Americans still believe IRAQ was responsible for 9/11!
So, years after Bullshit is proven to be bullshit, it is still believed by way too many people.
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This guy Muschamp that Mack Brown hired as a DC looks impressive. Why didn't RR talk to him?
Becuase Pastilong is the only one who had his phone number and he would not give it to RR.
Currently about 35% of Americans still believe IRAQ was responsible for 9/11!
That's dumb. Everyone knows that was Rich Rodriguez's fault.
Muschamp is about the best, and most expensive DC in college football. He's getting paid HUGE money by Texas - he may have out of our price range.
I thought 9-11 was the Free Masons?
Also, do we really have any idea who RR talked to for DC aside from Shafer? How do we know he didn't talk to Muschamp?
Show me the evidence that RR didn't talk to Muschamp at some point?
I'm fine with the third person reference, because you can fill in the gap with "They don't care what the truth is, they just want to smear [the good name of] Rich Rodriguez." However, if he'd said "Rich Rodriguez is being smeared by WVU," then I'd have a problem.
We don't. It's more fun to assume he's an idiot (see: Martin, Bill).
Johnny
It wasn't my story. It just fit into the context of the previous poster's comment.
Anyway, I apologize if this has offended you in any way as that was no my intention.
Now on to the Pats. I went to last weekends game against Jacksonville and it was great. I was thinking about going this weekend but its going to be freezing. The weather could be a factor but the Chargers are pretty beaten up so we'll see.
@chitown
High Five!
@dex..."I thiought 9-11 was the Free Masons?
Dex...watch yourself...thats all I have to say about that...
I'll sell the soul of my first born child (whenever they are born) to see the Pats lose by 40 this Sunday.
MRG hits the nail on the head.
Muschamp is the only DC that knows how to stop the spread. So, he is Rich Rod's natural enemy. Why will RR want his enemy as the DC? Eh? :+:
Eh?
Brick House, what degree Mason are you? And please, no more Steve Gutenberg. He doesn't need to be a star anymore.
This committee owes my client an apology senator!
\ I think RR has hinted that that his defense is that he is excused from performance of the contract due to the material breach of the contract by the other party, not that the buyout is uneforceable on its face. That is a much more common contractual defense.//
This was my take on the reason for his leaving, as well...when he signed his contract last year after Alabama tried to get him out of there, specific concessions were promised...which he now says were not provided.
@dex
"I'll sell the soul of my first born child (whenever they are born) to see the Pats lose by 40 this Sunday."
Wow, you are a gambler aren't you??!!!
I'll shoot myself if they lose by 39 points.
Your bet!
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There is no way that the Patriots are gonna lose by 40 to a team of backups.
dex is shit
J Litchy and El Guapo,
Agree with both of you, RR will counterclaim breach. El guapo, I don't necessarily agree that WVU does not have the better case on the merits, I think they do but hey, my knowledge is based on well, nothing really. WVU does not want to litigate this since they do have to argue absurd positions for a football program - like you stated. The we are totally screwed without RR argument might be a legal winner but I can't believe that is what they want to do. Thus, the BS you destroyed WVU property argument. Only thing I would mention, never underestimate the total insanity of an opposing party that feels totally, completely, and irreparably aggrieved. I think WVU is close to that point. Hopefully, there is one sane person of some stature in WVU.
@dex
BTW, have you had a vascetomy? (sp)
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there's my fellow MtMM member. Howz it going.
Hey! Fake 00goblue00 is back. It's been a while.
From previous thred:
Remember when we were talking about dirty bombs and such for the MNC, I propose one over WVU. Would anyone really miss it?
MusketRebellion | 01.17.08 - 11:44 am |
WVU doesn't have an ice hockey team, do they? I think we need to petition them to start one, and fast... Red Berenson is due to retire pretty soon and we are going to need a hockey coach.
So MusketRebellion, we don't want to kill the goose...
Let me first say: I am with you on WVU's behavior being bush league; no coach who leaves a place after seven (7!) years of service deserves this.
You are wrong about a couple of things, however. First, "Anything that only Rodriguez had was by definition a personal file" is not true. Nor is the issue whether WVU had other copies (not legally, anyway, though it does expose the lie). Legally speaking, the issue is whether Rodriguez destroyed (or took with him to Michigan) files compiled in such a way that they belonged to WVU. This isn't an NCAA rule, it's a common law principle in every state -- a fiduciary duty to one's employer. Of course, I don't say RichRod violated any law, or took any files, WVU's credibility here is nil.
Second, you seem to have lost sight of the fact that none of this angry (and did I mention bush league?) crap from WVU would be happening if Rodriguez weren't trying to get out of the buyout clause of his contract. Four million dollars is a lot of money, and maybe he shouldn't have to pay, I don't know. But this isn't just WVU being childish. This is WVU trying to create an argument for Rodriguez paying them.
There is no way that the Patriots are gonna lose by 40 to a team of backups.
wolverine in ma | 01.17.08 - 2:26 pm
Is someone stuck in "take everything literally mode", or am I?
To clarify, not that it really needs it...
I didn't say the Pats *will* lose by 40, I said I'd love to *see* them lose by 40.
We all know that Brady-Favre are on a collision course, and it's going to end with Chris Berman finally driving me over the edge into permanent psychosis with his cock slobbering.
@ Wolvernine/MA: Not offended...just grossed out. I'm intrigued to see if there's something out there fouler than that.
Pats win this weekend, but I'm not sure they'll cover the spread (still at 14? Too many points).
@ dex
This is not the right time or place for that dicussion. Sorry.
But I do know that if it was not for Freemasons...the U of M would not exist.
@Velocity, if a middle-aged mother such as myself can use Google to look up the NCAA recruiting regulations to determine what dead periods and quiet periods mean (that is, no personal contact, phone calls are okay), then I would assume that a young man such as yourself could do the same.
And the fact that they are plowing through his cell phone records and coming up with calls to Michigan recruits *AFTER* he told his team as the big dirt signifies that there's nothing worse than that. No contact with recruits prior to telling the team, no contact with Michigan prior to the loss to Pitt. You know that shit would be out there if it existed. They are grasping at straws, and using the WVU cell phone to call Michigan recruits is the best they can come up with.
Who rigs every Oscar night...we do...we do...
lol @ freemasons.
If Tom Brady and Brett Favre hugged at midfield after the game, I think Peter King would explode.
I was just making conversation with the 40 points thing. I agree with Johnny that the points seem pretty high.
The Steelers went 15-1, lost in the playoffs, and won the SB the next year. The Colts went 14-2, lost in the playoffs, then won the SB the next year.
Obviously, the Chargers, owners of a 14-2 record last year, are going to win the SB this year and the Pats will win next year.
I'm staking my savings account on this theory.
chitown-
Disagree.
PK's love for Manning transcends all.
Except Manning's ability to choke in big games.
Against backups.
PUCKER PUCKER PUCKER
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
I think PK loves Favre more.
Although, Tony Romo does lead the league in smiles.
Brady & Favre are not on a collision course.....Brady & Eli are
Hell yes, Meeechigan. Giants fan since birth, here.
My wallet has a hard time trusting Eli, but my heart really hates Favre. Decisions decisions.
Me too my friend...I have season tix
I don't care if we have to start RW McQuarters in the backfield - Favre is screwed.
Wait ... is Brick House really a Freemason? What's going on here?
I think Freemasons are all closeted homosexuals and rare stamp collectors who are in league with Big Oil to turn the United States into a corporate/military junta ... SO WHAT YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BRICK HOUSE?
Me three on the Giants. Psyched for Sunday.
I (obviously) live in Chicago now, but my dad has season tickets, and I went to at least 6 games a year from the ages of 6 to 18.
It's not about Bart Favre.
Greg Jennings, Bitch!
Meeechigan
I saw on e-bay. A guy is selling up to (8) club seats for the Super Bowl for $2400 (each) IF the Giants win. If the Giants lose you get a jersey. Interesting proposition.
Favre is due for his blow-up performance...I can't wait.
Side noteto chi- Ahmad Bradshaw is gonna be a star.
Did someone say dirty bomb ? I did eat Mexican today.
Let's give the Toledo Blade some credit. They were a little off on the Mallett story but got it before anyone else. This was a good piece today. The Blade has won at least a couple Pulitzer prizes in the last few years for investigative reporting. It's not an excellent paper, but it's OK (and yes, I'm from Toledo).
The other thing you should realize is that Toledo is populated by about half UM fans and half OSU fans. It's intense. So there's no wonder that anything relating to Wolverines OR Buckeyes features prominently in the paper.
Toledo was also almost the site of a small civil war, because both Michigan and Ohio wanted the city as part of their state and they were ready to fight over it. The President intervened and Michigan lost its claim to Toledo, but it got the UP as a consolation. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself, OSU wins Pryor, and in return we get another 6'6'' ogre at QB.
from Brian's post:
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Even an athletic department as addled as WVU's should know these things; throwing this in the article is an attempt to baselessly smear Rodriguez.
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Not necessarily. Keep in mind that these bafoons have been accused of having no compliance department by their own donors. While there is likely a very real component that wants to attack Rodriguez, it is more than possible that these idiots really don't know the applicable rules -- see dead and quite period statements, which many of us casual observers even know. Keep in mind that this is an athletic department which, at least as of October this year, was advertising online for a compliance director!
Meeechigan, I'm actually pumped about the state of the Giants' running game. Next year, between Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Ward, we'll have a bunch of guys that can get the job done.
I HATE THE PACKERS.
Guys-
Nothing in the NFL is as important as whether or not Farve had fun last Sunday.
....both Michigan and Ohio wanted the city as part of their state and they were ready to fight over it.
sadly, this is no longer the case.
Flight-Sci ... check your email, dude. And, thanks a million for the DVD.
Chi- Absolutely.. Before Ward went down he looked really good as well. You gotta love the job Reese has done. Did you see all 8 rookies played in Tampa Bay 2 weeks ago? That's sick
the nfl is one step away from becoming pro wrestling. i hear they're awarding championship belts this year and makign everyone take a psuedoname. the fix is in, as they say.
Here is the link for thoses SB tickets. Looks like the price came down.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Superbowl-
Ti...1QQcmdZViewItem
Brian/all,
After a little (very little) digging, Matt Markey, the writer for the Toledo Blade, is best friend of RR's financial advisor in Toledo which is how he got the interview with Rod.
Why RR sought removal to a federal court -
Appearance is everything
The Register-Herald, Beckley, W.Va.
January 16, 2008
. . .
West Virginia Supreme Court Chief Justice Elliott “Spike” Maynard has put himself in a very unenviable position after pictures and reports surfaced showing Maynard and Massey Energy chief executive officer Don Blankenship yukking it up in the posh European countryside in July 2006.
These two can vacation wherever they want, but when it comes to Chief Justice Maynard recently siding with Blankenship and Massey in a $76.3 million case brought before the Supreme Court, that’s a crystal clear example of a conflict of interest.
. . .
Why is it that people who reach positions of power in the Mountain State seem to believe it gives them the right to do as they please without the fear of reprisals (see Wally Barron, Arch Moore, Larry Tucker, Dan Tonkovich, Jerry Mezzatesta)?
ht*p://www.mineralwellsindex.com/statenews/
cnhinsall_story_016223314.html
@Ukraine:
Kak dila? Shto horoshivo?
They did a good job getting players that can help them immediately - Ross, Bradshaw, Smith, Boss, Michael Johnson. Boss, by the way, is sweet.
Too lazy to look through whole thread to see if anyone else mentioned, but did you see the link on Deadspin about Mallett flooding his dorm room? I don't want to be a bitter fan and wish him ill, and I know that's gotta suck a lot, but...hahahaha it's still funny as hell.
I have no preference between Giants/Pack...or Amani Toomer/Charles Woodson, if you prefer.
If the Packers win, the media in this region will wet their pants the same way they do when an SEC team is playing for the MNC on account of Favre being such a good ol' Southern boy and all. So that will get old in a hurry.
Charles Woodson vs. Tom Brady...Tuck Rule Game, Pt. II.
@ STW "I think Freemasons are all closeted homosexuals and rare stamp collectors who are in league with Big Oil to turn the United States into a corporate/military junta ... SO WHAT YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BRICK HOUSE?
Well...first of all I'm as straight. Second, I have nothing against homosexuals...what someone else does behind closed doors is not my business, nor should I make it my business. It is also not my job to change your mind about anything...you are free to believe what you want to.
Just remember...ignorance is bliss and many choose to stay happy.
A rematch of Desmond's MVP game.
I actually just read this morning (and it's a pretty sick stat) That Woodson hasn't let up a TD pass this year.
A yeah ago today Boss was a Division 2 tight end for Western Oregon. Now he is the starting TE for the Giants in the NFC championship game. Dude must be on cloud 9.
"I HATE THE PACKERS."
GoBlue8306
Totally agree.
DanK,
re Toledo. I hate to say it, but you are right. Toledo is going down the shitter just like Detroit and the rest of Michigan.
At least there's still football.
BGH-
There is so much money in and around ALL big time sports that I would NOT be surprised if most games were fixed.
Woodson vs. Moss.
Brady gets Moss all jacked up to play telling him how Woodson stole his Heisman in 1997, how even the Michigan players on that team knew Charles couldn't cover Moss back then and there's no way he can do it now...Moss catches 9 balls for 212 yards and 3 TD's.
Boss is good, but Shockey is a much better blocker. That's why Jacobs hasn't been able to get to the outside on those stretch plays since Shoeckey's been injured.
BRICK HOUSE-
Totally agree about ignorance and choice.
bluewolverine (EECS '01):
you know, you're right. maybe i'm more pessimessitic about the nfl based upon the lions. they've been ruining my sundays for as long as i've been alive and, frankly, im tired of it. i hope they move to LA or something.
What's up with Rodriguez going to Toledo all the time? Is it because Rita fits in down there?
Woodson vs. Moss.
Brady gets Moss all jacked up to play telling him how Woodson stole his Heisman in 1997, how even the Michigan players on that team knew Charles couldn't cover Moss back then and there's no way he can do it now...Moss catches 9 balls for 212 yards and 3 TD's.
Johnny Sideburns | Homepage | 01.17.08 - 2:51 pm |
Moot point. It will be Corey Webster BLANKETING Moss.
The Lions would never move, they make too much money in Detroit. No matter what Ford does, he still laughs all the way to the bank.
\i hope they move to LA or something.//
NO!!!!!!!!! If anyone should go to LA it's the Falcons.
BRICK HOUSE:
Ha! So you Freemasons ARE unrepentant stamp collectors after all!
I'm sorry - I'll let this drop after this - but can you just hit me with one more pseudo-cryptic and vaguely threatening statement insinuating that you are on some serious inner-circle shit? Every time you do it, it makes me all tingly in my nimblies.
I second Sideburns - No one gives a shit about the Falcons (even less of a shit than they did before now that Vick is gone). Atlanta is a terrible sports city. Detroit has great fans, and despite blowing dogs the Lions fans are passionate and extremely loyal.
Oh and fire Millen.
why dont free masons believe in windows? why do they hate catholics and jews? why the fuck did they hide the national treasure? and the national treasure part 2? is nick cage a free mason? on the topic of nick cage, why can't we call him nickalaus cage? why is this paradigm shift neccesary? why does nick cage have so many different hair cuts? heeeeeelp.
Flight-Sci ... check your email, dude. And, thanks a million for the DVD.
scalz1 | Homepage | 01.17.08 - 2:42 pm | #
NP for the DVD but umm email uhhhh...?
I got nothin'
I hope that Nikless Cage is a freemason. That would give me a reason to accept his apparent "success" at this acting thing.
I like Nick Cage, but boy did he suck in The Wicker Man.
\That would give me a reason to accept his apparent "success" at this acting thing.//
And that ridiculous Southern/Elvis accent he seems to add to every role he plays. It's like he never got out of character after "Wild At Heart".
"Toledo was also almost the site of a small civil war, because both Michigan and Ohio wanted the city as part of their state and they were ready to fight over it. The President intervened and Michigan lost its claim to Toledo, but it got the UP as a consolation."
I'd say we (Michigan) got the better end of that deal.
I love the idea of "The President's Book of Secrets".
Abraham Lincoln: "Hhhmmmm...I have a secret. Where should I put it? Oh yeah! The President's Book of Secrets! Duh!"
Sorry to change the subject but I thought I read something about Pryor taking a dump.
Does anyone know if it had corn in it? And if it did, do you know where it is?
@yvgeni
bce pariatke, pagoda plahaya. Pivo haroshoe. Cpacibo.
Sad thing is, I'm doing this on my own time, no wonder the economy in Michigan is tanking, everybody is writing inane comments on Mgoblog instead of making sales, sales, sales. Or whatever it is you all are supposed to be doing right now.
@ UM Fan in Ukraine:
You're totally right. I should get back to nailing your mom.
WTF was on page 47!!!!?!?!???!??!??!?
@yvgeni
bce pariatke, pagoda plahaya. Pivo haroshoe. Cpacibo.
UM Fan in Ukraine | 01.17.08 - 3:06 pm | #
Stop using our ebays to make your dirty bomb you ex-communists
"Toledo was also almost the site of a small civil war, because both Michigan and Ohio wanted the city as part of their state and they were ready to fight over it. The President intervened and Michigan lost its claim to Toledo, but it got the UP as a consolation."
I'd say we (Michigan) got the better end of that deal.
Garfunkel | 01.17.08 - 3:04 pm | #
Yeah, because I was born there
Ukraine - the key is that the breach by WVU must be material to excuse performance. THe list I saw of things that they had purportedly not done, seemed minor, so RR will have to show that these items were in fact material. Basically, the law abhors breaches of contract and will tolerate subtantial performance of contracts.
The issue usually cannot be determined by a judge as a matter of law, but rather as a matter of fact by a jury (or judge if jury trial waived or not permitted). Thus RR will get fucked if this gets to a jury.
I think it helps RR that this contract was just renegotiated, i.e. negates a "waiver" or estoppel defense which would be that RR had basically accepted non-compliance by continuing to perform under the contract.
I do not think WVU will settle. This is personal. They would rather lose the money and they think that they have a slam dunk home field advantage.
Out of state defendants will nearly universally remove a case to Federal Court to avoid elected judges and homer juries from the very county where the plaintiff has chosen to file, but bear in mind that he is still in court in WV with a WV jury and a judge who was a political appointee who most likely came from the ranks of WV lawyers. I have been screwed in Federal Court just as much as in State Court, so removal is no guarantee against a stacked deck.
Who owned the UP before the Toledo War?
Canada (or whoever owned Canada at that time)?
I feel like I'm in history class...
I believe Bret Bielema owned it.
@wolverine in ma @2:00 pm
I liked you better when you were in the MtMM.
Pivo? Is that beer? Woo hoo!
Wisconsin was not a part of the union during the "civil war" so they did not have any say in what the government did - but they feel it was righrully theirs
Flight-sci -
jbailey_41@ an email provider, right ?
Bret Bielema is a fucking asshole. Just wanted to throw that out there.
if you want the history of it - i ran a search in wiki and came up with this link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
My family lived in monroe, MI - but we were all born in Toledo Hospital - I now live in cleveland, but claim MI as my "home".
My in-laws dispute my claim saying I am on ohioan because i was born in ohio
Bleeding Blue
I also liked myself better back then too. How did I lose your approval all of a sudden?
Now you ask how I know
of Toledo, Ohio?
Well, I spent a week there one day...
I warned you.
Stop me before I quote again.
Nicholas Cage was good in Adaptation (and to a lesser extent Matchstick Men) so people continue to give him lead roles in films. He is a great actor when you give him a role that he has to over-act to make convincing. But giving him something like Ghost Rider (which was admittedly doomed to failure from the start) shows his absolute reliance on overacting. I think there is a Celebrity Jeopardy that has someone making fun of Nick Cage in it. I forget who it was, but it was dead on.
Nevermind I guess you were not a fan of the earlier story.
MusketRebellion, it was Jimmy Fallon.
i think the UP was a territory owned by the fed. govt. prior to the inclusion of Michigan in the union.
GoBlue8306
That would make sense. Did you ever see his parody of Robin Williams? It was unbelievable.
nick cage never overacts.
sincerely,
peggy sue got married
/Rome
He was good in "Wild at heart"
"Face-off" not so much.
Re: Packers vs Giants
The Giants have a shot the same way Britney Spears does for Mother of the Year. Like BS, huge matchup problems for them everywhere you look. Eli compares unfavorably big time to Favre. The Packers do to the Gmen what the Pats do to the Chargers: they make it look easy.
"Bret Bielema is a fucking asshole. Just wanted to throw that out there."
GoBlue8306
You are on a role, dude, first the hatred of the Packers and now Bielema - how can I get your newsletter?
Really digging what you are preachin'.
"Face Off" had two good scenes. Where John Travolta gets stabbed in the leg by the girl with the butterfly knife. And when Nick Cage owns him with the speargun. Outside of that it was a festering pile of asscrap. Much like West Virginia.
If I remember correctly "The Family Man" was a good one too.
Big Face Off fan, I though Nick Cage was solid in that movie.
@BGH
I have brothers who are of all religions so your questions are moot.
"Raising Arizona" was the quintessential Nick Cage movie.
Every time I think of Toledo, I remember the role it played in demolishing a job interview.
i was busy building great rapport with the boss-to-be when I mentioned that getting a new job would mean that I could no longer have to spend winters attending conventions in "places like Toledo and Rochester."
To which she immediately replied, "I'm from Toledo."
It's very hard to speak when your foot is in your mouth all the way up to the knee.
That Family Man movie was awful, saw that on a flight...
MusketR, I have seen that. I agree, it was amazing. I miss the good ol' days of SNL. IMO, the show has lost a step in the last few years...
Face Off just couldn't survive the Nick Cage/ John Travolta hackfest that it served up. Kind of like "Broken Arrow" but without the ultra slimy Christian Slater. Both of these movies need to be locked in some sort of vault and only released at the event that the story line from Idiocracy becomes true. Then they'll win Oscars.
@wolverine in ma
2:00 pm
It's Nic Cage month on Starz OnDemand this month. I just watched Leaving Las Vegas two nights ago. It kind of made me want to drink myself to death in Vegas. Looked kind of fun.
Garfunkel,
My mom is dead so that would be weird. Unless ......
J litchy,
Don't disagree who knows? Good for RR proving he's a Michigan resident. One thing is for sure WVU is pissed. UM should just pay it.
Dave,
Pivo is beer, mmmmmm. It is also .40c a bottle and you can drink it on the street with minimal repercussions.
M - Flightsci,
I can't promise I'll try not to make BLT's over here with shadowy Brezhnev type characters, but I'll try to try.
Yeah I hated him in Gone in 60 Seconds. Oh yeah, Windtalkers. GOD get these movies out of my memory
I've heard Face Off was pretty good but am loathe to watch it based on previous experience.
TennBlue - Agreed, Nick Cage probably hasn't been better than he was in "Raising Arizona."
Yeah thats what I figured. But like I said it wasn't my story. It was in the context of a previous comment.
Cage was in Wild at Heart? All I remember of that movie is Laura Dern.
Windtalkers, God I actually paid to see that movie. I wanted to cut my eyes out afterwards.
Listen, his big move is throwing a glass jar of acid at someone, and then shooting it in the air.
Horrible.
Cage was good in The Rock.
scalz thats affirmative on the email addy, provided that "some email provider" is a giant black hole operated by microsoft
Yes, he's in Wild at heart. Pretty cool movie.
Jim Harbaugh Scramble, 'preciate the comments. I do what I can.
Cage definitely over-acted in The Rock. It was saved by a pretty good storyline and Sean Connery. They could've gotten a better actor for Cage's character and it would have been a much better movie. Tom Cruise was kind of at the height of his power then, but I guess he wouldn't have fit into the whole nerdy scientist guy that Cage plays.
The only reason Nicolas Cage has the "success" of a career he does is because of his real last name.
i feel like some of this distaste towards wolverine in ma is my fault. i brought up the crustacean/deviant sexual pleasure theme. plz direct your displeasure towards me. I'M A MAN, I'M 40!
@wolverine in ma
I know- no one to blame but myself for following the link. Like when I decided to find out what this "2 girls, 1 cup" business was all about.
LOL .. don't forget Con Air, and Mystic Pizza.
Big Gay, you're only 40 at heart.
what's the movie in where nick cage is ring side and trying to prevent an attempted murder? that movie should have never made it past the "what if" stage.
Congratulations! This discussion is officially in the toilet. How did we go from hot sorority girls yesterday to Nick Cage today?
Snake eyes is that movie.
Is it Nick Cage or Nic Cage? Can we get an official ruling on this.
Snake Eyes had a good director (IIRC) and good cast - it just sucked.
Flight sci,
What DVD now?
Also: WFVU = Mos Eisley
I'm still trying to erase The Weatherman from my memory. I kept watching in the hopes that the movie would redeem itself at the end, but it never did.
Wow, I had no idea that Nick Cage was a Coppola. That explains a lot.
I never saw the weatherman, but that looked like crap, terrible idea for a film.
According to his IMDB page he has a movie coming out that is titled "Bangkok Dangerous." I guess his career really is in the tubes when he's fallen into gay porn.
Also: WFVU = Mos Eisley
These aren't the documents you are looking for...
OK, BGH - you are now officially the object of my disdain. Wolverine in MA, you're off the hook. =)
Put me down for the "Nic Cage was far more likeable than John Travolta in FaceOff!" army.
The only good thing about WVU's OMFG RAEG!!111!! response to RR's departure is that it kills off any second thoughts he may have had about Michigan.
Or rather, I'm sure he'll star in the gay porn version of that movie that will get some clever adaptation of the title like "Bangkok Dangerously," or "Me Bangkok So Dangerous Five Dollah."
I had a dream once where Nic Cage was making love to me whilst eating a plum.
I'M A MAN, IM 40!
Well spoken, big gay heart
a take on the coors commercials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=u...feature=related
Hello?! Hot sorority girls! Who's with me?!
Actually Big Gay, Matt got that on tape, not a dream.
Sorry.
BGH
Thanks for the vindication. So everyone's cool now right?
Garfunkel
Sorry to burst whatever bubble you had, but hot girls and Michigan aren't really synonyms. Okay Rich Girls and Michigan, that would be more appropriate.
Plus, I still don't think we've completely digested this whole Nick Cage angle yet.
Who said anything about hot sorority girls AT Michigan?
Garfunkel
Touche.
There's a new post. I nominate talking about boobs again
(.Y.)
New post.
Musket:
I'll amend my previos telling of the story. In a GHB-induced haze (I'd been hanging out with David Boston all night) I stumbled itn a den of iniquity when Nic Cage (the man, the myth, the legend) happened across me. I vaguely recall him droopping lines such as "your eyes are as deep and as blue as lake baikal" and "the curve of your body reminds me of the mountian jewel of kashmir." The next moring I woke up with a headache, my "dream" turned nightmare manifested in VHS form.
again, take shoe off of their foot & stick it on yours. if this happened to UM there'd be a litany of posts denigrating coach 'x' for his actions. maize & blue keyboards would be smokin'.
what thought crosses your mind when the numbscull in the cubicle up from yours marry's this hot chic, whom, when they met was TOTALLY married. you think to yourself - not buying that guy a drink when she's hanging on the boss' jock on the side & he's wringing his hands, crying in his bud light draft.
rung on a ladder...movin' on up!
the simple fact that this is rattling every cage makes all this so very true. take a hard look and nod!
wow, so many posts. responses:
1. "the way i see all this is, Michigan is that guy in high school that stole wvu's girlfriend, TWICE, in an effort to get back at girlfriend number 2 little wvu has tried to spread rumors that she has an STD, come to think of it she had it when she was with wvu as well but he managed to ignore it. it wouldnt make sense in that situation and it doesn't in this real one either. at the end of the day little wvu will get his while Michigan drives off into the sunset with his new girlfriend and her new rings" = exactly right.
2. The case has been moved to federal court, but it still might end up in the D.C. region, so biased judges and juries are still possible.
3. Farve, 38, best season of his career = steroids??
4. Brian, you should do a post on the WFV governor daughter's thing, apparently MSM guys are reading your blog ever since you nailed the carr retirement (if not the comments) let's see if you can get the tide turned
Re: 3. Farve, 38, best season of his career = steroids??
It's Favre, BlueSeoul. And you do to him what you indict wvu for doing to Rodriguez. Time to turn out the lights on this comment string.
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