announcement on ESPN.com too
Holy cow! I thought for sure English would stay. I guess BM is really committed to change here! I wonder of LM put this coordinator hire in place ... if so, confirms his reputation as getting the best coordinators out there - which has been foreign to M (at least offensively) for a long, long while.
I am soooo excited right now. This is like Christmas morning! :-D
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3136391
There's the link from ESPN... this is decent news. He wasn't my first choice for coach - but hopefully he'll do for Michigan what he did for LSU.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3136391
Here is the link...apparently Herbstreit was told by a reliable source.
There was never a list obviously...the English and Debord interviews were just courtesies.
So now that Tenuta is coming, does that mean that English is gone? Why would he bring him and not a new OC lol.
Now, the important question: Who's going to take over for Debor(e)d?
miles and tenuta!?! I feel like I'm going to faint.
this just made my weekend. i like the miles hire (although i wouldn't have been devastated if he wasn't), but i love love love the tenuta hire.
in my dream world, that was how this played out - miles, tenuta, and pretty much anyone not named debord.
great way to start the weekend.
Someone on your last blog's comment board asked who was Kirk Herbstreit's source, who has apparently broke the story. I am no Sherlock Holmes, but I'd be willing to bet it was his ESPN colleague Desmond Howard. Howard was on the search committee.
Do you think they keep English as a DB coach? A D-line coach. I would like to keep him if possible...
Yay. I finally will allow myself to celebrate. I can finally get some work done hopefully too for the first time in a few weeks...
So you gotta believe they are also going to pull something big off for OC....
Guesses? Rumors?
To be honest I'd rather have heard word that Debord was gone more than English. In fact, maybe Miles figured he's need Tenuta b/c Debord is staying...
WOO HOO!
@Aaron,
You're right... Howard is on the search committee - barring any outside influence from Carr, Miles was the preeminent favorite. Howard likes Miles. I hope English doesn't move or get bumped out, he was an asset.
The news immediately made me thing of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...h?
v=9K30e9O3Nng
Remember...hope is a good thing.
If Howard was the source, couldn't he have just broken the news himself?
Gnarls, great! Say-wat-a-nay-o. A place where Michigan has great athletes flying around the field. Woooot!
There is no need for English here except for his west coast connections. Tenuta was also the DB coach at GT.
Dont know a thing about Tenuta...but I like that Les is doing a complete overhaul. English was a good recruiting tool but not much of a d-coordinator. Hopefully the recruits stay in place I cant imagine saying I was willing to play for Lloyd but not for Les...Lloyd's a great guy but I feel like Miles passion is a much more outward passion something I think that players and recruits can see.
I'm sure Howard, and all committee members, agreed not to go public.
I agree with KBlow. I definitely would have rather heard that Debord was out. Maybe thats the next step and they are looking for someone.
I am not all that happy that Ron English might be gone, I really liked him. If anyone should go it is Debord for sure.
Well I am all set for Christmas though. I got both things I wanted within days of each other :)
Didn't Notre Dame score against GT? Just saying.
As a Michigan fan in Atlanta married into Tech season tickets, this news about Tenuta is better than who becomes the head coach. Calling Tenuta defenses "bad ass" is an understatement. 40% of all plays against his d ends up a tackle for a lose. And he has an answer to the spread O, which English had nothing.
to add to my previous comment...to be fair I hear that Tenuta is great.
I think OSU should be scared now lol.
"Do you think they keep English as a DB coach? A D-line coach. I would like to keep him if possible..."
English is a DB guy right? I thought our DBs took a big step forward from expectations with Bedford back this year... I would hope we could keep him, if he isn't too old. Is there a way we keep them both? I don't know if Miles would move down?
Maybe the wait to be HC after miles is too far out for his timeline and he might go looking elsewhere also...
Please. Anyone who thinks Miles keeps Debord must think that Washington DC is going to vote Republican. (Ooops, forgot the prohibition on politics here!)
What does this mean for the other coaches?
We can figure out DeBord is out.
English may stay on in a smaller role.
Jackson, Loeffler and Moeller I would like to see both of them stay. They have done an amazing job developing talent.
What does the board think about them?
Gnarls,
Howrard isn't a correspondant, Herbstriet had to break it.
Even if Howard wasn't technically the source, he was the source I am willing to bet. He might have reccomended another guy for Herbstreit to ask on the committee. He might be like the Scooter dude Bush had or Nixon's G. Gordon Liddy.
Maybe Howard feels announcing it himself violates journalistic integrity.
The news about Tenuta makes me a lot happier than the news about Miles, about whom I harbor doubts.
Gnarls,
Plus it would like like Michigan had a leak [Howard]
MDan-
The only reason I say is because you would have thought he would be the first to be announced off the staff lol.
Weird they would announce a new DC before a new OC, but maybe he is looking for the best and the best isn't available yet.
Andy...MOELLER?!??! Developing talent? Undeveloping talent, maybe.
NO MOELLER
Anyone know if McGuffie has expressed any opinions one way or another on Les?
So if I understand this right, Miles is bringing in Tenuta as defensive coordinator, or waw he the DC at Georgia Tech?
@darnw
both
Agreed with above that I think this is the sign that LM is cleaning house. Probably anyone who he thinks might not be 100% with him (and who isn't 100% satisfactory to him) is going to be gone. There won't be any interference from the old regime. BM is obviously on board for them to have gotten Tenuta agreed on already.
No pain, no gain...from Rivals.
"If Les Miles becomes head coach at Michigan, McGuffie will not remain a U-M commitment and will most likely go to A&M. McGuffie and Miles don't see eye-to-eye. LSU's man-in-charge didn't offer McGuffie a scholarship to play for the Tigers and, as we have pointed out before, doesn't believe he's a legit college running back. Even with the scholarship at Michigan honored, our source said McGuffie won't play for Miles (even if Fred Jackson is retained). If it's another coach and especially if Jackson stays on, McGuffie will most likely be in Ann Arbor next year."
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOOOOOARD EEEE-YES!
Quoting the great Hawk Harrelson this morning.
Tenuta would be HUGE. This is Christmas morning.
How does Tenuta know Miles? Anyone?
That news about McGuffie bummer. I have to agree that he's not a full time RB but Breaston wasn't really a full time receiver either. I'd love to see McG as a returner instead.
Wouldn't Miles be inclined to keep his current OC?
Kblow -
aren't you bothered that English is being overlooked? He [ultimately] brought the attack that made chances for Debord's incompetent offensive tactics.
Dan,
Both from Ohio. I am sure they've crossed path somewhere along the way in that shitty state.
Moeller, lol.
If there is one position I am sure LM is going to bring his own guy, it will be OL. UMs OL is far from the dominance it once had. That is probably at the top of LMs priorities..
I am pretty interested in the connection between Miles and Tenuta. I am thinking it had to have something to do with Tech's AD, Dan Radakovich. IIRC, he was the Associate AD at LSU when Miles was hired there.
As I said in the last comment thread, I couldn't be happier. I am a GT alum and season ticket holder, and that program might go to shambles without Tenuta, but I don't effing care.
Go Blue!
Wow. Never would have seen the Tenuta thing coming. That would be a great hire. To let that guy run his defenses with Michigan's talent as opposed to the not-as-good- GaTech talent could be great.
The only bad part with hiring badass coordinators is that we'll keep having to hire new guys, because they're going to get new jobs as head coaches. But all good programs have that problem, and I'd like us to have the problem again.
December 1st is the new December 25th.
I wouldn't be so sure about Rivals.com with McGuffie. McGuffie's dad seemed like Michigan was the only place Sam was going and his dad is a die-hard Michigan fan. I can't see Sam just saying "see ya" to the maize and blue just because Lloyd is gone. Miles can bullshit his way to keep McGuffie using the "system" excuse - meaning Michigan's system will benefit Sam more than LSU.
Seriously, I want to hear ideas/rumors for OC.
Damn, I am still definitely not going to get work done (I am there now)
OC - better not be DeBord...and if Les is already changing up DC, where English is a solid DC...I can't imagine where he could be going for an OC.
As for McGuffie, two thoughts (and I have been one of his biggest supporters: http://www.logictimes.com/Blue/P...n-
Profiling.htm ): 1) I wouldn't sell Miles short in keeping him. Apparently it was not him, but an assistant that dismissed him and Miles knows that this commit has some star power. Also, we have a need. 2) While next year might be lean, the senior recruits next year at RB are huge in the state, so, as much as it hurts, I don't think losing Sam is devastating.
I want him though.
@darnw
I'll really miss English (i love his spirit, how the players respond to him, and how much the D improved. I don't like that his D had to improve so much in the 1st place and never, ever figured out the spread.) I think that in a few years he develop into really, really good DC. I just think that he needed more seasoning first and that UM doesn't have the time to wait. But yes, a better OC would've made our D look better no doubt.
Anyway, if Miles can't beat OSU he'll be gone in a few and maybe English will be ready to come back as HC.
Rumor is that Jackson was in Houston this week to convince McGuffie to stay and it worked
RE McGuffie also, mallett is already here and stonum I believe has said he was still coming, plus with these great hires (w/ more expected which will not happen at A&M or anywhere else) there is a chance he could see the potential and change his mind. That is IF the coaching staff wants to convince him...
I think the biggest factor will be if the new staff wants to keep him on board or not.
I think though we need someone to come in (cox alone probably won't cut it) - maybe they have something up their sleeve?
Hearing rumors that Herrmann might be coming back to be OC.
(Kidding..)
Yeah, another factor is that Mallett and McGuffie do know each other well. I just don't see Sam leaving Michigan so quickly. Good point by 97Alumni about A&M's shake up in their coaching staff.
@Kblow...
Lol... who knows, huh? Ron is a great guy - but I guess we'll see.
If that's true about Jackson talking McG into staying then that's as classy as hell. Of course, McG never did seem like a Dukie anyway. (But I bet he'd make one hell of a point guard!)
Wow, while I am still just meh about Miles, if he brings Jon Tenuta with him this may be the upgrade of the century. I would honestly consider Tenuta to be one of the top 5 DC's in college football today, his innovative schemes and pressure Defenses were a joy to watch. That would be some Meechigan football, a true blast from the past...now we just need to fix S & C and blow out DeBoard and Andy Moeller and maybe we will actually be able to run the football again...yeeha
Crossing my fingers...
hopefully it will be...Yes Victoria there is a Santa Claus...
Aug
Do you get the feeling that we are seeing a unique phenomena: the star power of Michigan cut lose from the stuffy past? In other words, Les is able to appeal to top notch, HC type talent for coordinators because the intersection of modern football with Michigan's reputation and draw absolutely electrifies coaches?
Am I full of shit?
Not that I really know anything about anything though Christian, just my thoughts.
Someone needs to lay odds on white hat vs blue hat...
Wow...
This shook the hangover faster than Gatorade ever could.
Glad to see the Miles rep for assembling top-notch staffs was not overrated. But now I want to see an innovative offensive coordinator.
@Mdan
That's where I was headed as well. I just hope that this isn't akin to the Ferentz on a plane rumor.
HOLY CRAP!
Oh sweet Jesus on a bike I hope for a blue hat! White hat is so...so...MSU.
I saw Mallet at Skeeps on Tuesday night with a harem of girls. He still has the douchey facial hair thing going on.
Don't worry about McGuffie, he is way overrated IMO, junior year was awesome,senior year nothing spectacular. I look for Les to bring in an entire new staff.
JOHN TENUTA?!?!?!?! Oh my baby Jesus!! Look what he's done with an avg of 2.6-star recruits at GT. WOOOOOOOO!!! I'm sending Tressel a Sams-Club-Sized box of Adult Depends!!!!
"you get the feeling that we are seeing a unique phenomena: the star power of Michigan cut lose from the stuffy past?"
Could be - maybe Martin really wants his own tribute somewhere on campus... LOL the "Bo of ADs"
If M makes another big move for OC... Anyone think we might shake up the recruiting scene and have a couple unexpected big gets THIS year?
I wonder if the GVSU mafia would rather have Chuck Martin than Tenuta?
I don't think the OC job is nearly as critical as the DC job, because Miles has his hand in the offense alot.
I'd like to see Crowton come to Michigan, but won't be surprised if he goes to Neb with Pelini.
Could Loeffler end up at OC?
Watching the GameDay announcement on Miles and Tenuta just gave me goosebumps.
If Tenuta is the real deal than why didn't GT hire him to replace Chan Gailey who they just fired?
I will believe when they sign on the line that is dotted.
Until then, I won't be convinced Miles or Tenuta is coming to M. There are still some significant hurdles to clear.
ESPN gets it wrong an awful lot, they really have almost no credibility as far as reporting goes.
Brian Kelly for OC! just kidding. kind of.
How about Kelly as OC? LOL. That would be a staff...Miles, Tenuta and Kelly.
Darko...great minds!
@Aaron
Not sure, but possible they don't see Tenuta as a HC. Big difference in responsibilities and personality required....
So GT got any good D recruits we might hope will follow Tenuta?
Damn it, damn it. ND fan here.
I wasn't that bothered by the Miles hire but HATED hearing you guys have Tenuta too. He has just dominated the Irish offense the last two years (yes, I know the offense sucked this year). He did what he did at G-Tech without the kind of talent he had at UM. That really worries me.
Great hire for you guys.
Tenuta is a real deal DC, just not a real deal HC. I don't see any problem with GT not offering him HC.
Come on, MVM, get on board. Stop saying there isn't a Santa.
I'm surprised about how excited you guys are about Tenuta. Not that he isn't a good defensive coach, but every year he always has two or so games where his defense just totally blows.
But that is part of who he is and his defense is. They blitz practically every play which is a high reward/high system. That's why you see so many tackles for losses, but why at other times you see teams rack up a lot points/yards, etc.
Do the Michigan fans want someone like that, or would you guys rather him keep the aggressiveness, but tone it down a bit? Just wondering.
Tenuta was named interim coach for tech's bowl game
Mike,
Low recruits at GT...yes. And look what he did with them! One of the top defenses in the nation since he's been there. Just wait until he gets some talent. GT is not Michigan - he'll recruit at Michigan.
Wouldn't Shane Hale be a fool not to come to UM and play in Tenuta's aggressive scheme?
"ESPN gets it wrong an awful lot, they really have almost no credibility as far as reporting goes."
If they came out with this at this scale and got it wrong, it would be big.
What have they messed up that was this scale before? (Personally I don't watch ESPN other than games because all their commentary guys are morons)
I suck, I read Mike's comment wrong. Too many Molson's last night.
Alright so I got destroyed on the Andy Moeller comment.
Let me try again...
What about Loeffler and Jackson?
Chances they stay on...
Miles is probably looking for someone at OC that is playing today and can't commit until the regular season is over. I'm sure once today is over with, something will be announced. I like that he is out with the old in with the new. A big F You to Carr as his first duty there...I like it lol.
One reason GT's D would sometimes suck is that his players were rarely as skilled as the guys they were facing. Often that's hard to overcome. Just see all the games UM won that it should've lost just due to better athletes. Plus GT's O wasn't helping matters.
Best GT player I can remember is Calvin Johnson now of the Detroit Lions. Best GT coach I can remember Bobby Ross, formerly of the Lion ironically.
yeah, the rivals "insiders" are getting pissy after they were scooped. Apparently I was blacklisted for the day after I called out Chris Balas sounding like someone pissed in is morning coffee. So right now I have no qualms of reprinting everything they say on other boards.
Well, being objective - I don't know a lot about Tenuta's abilities, so I'll keep my comments to a minimum - I just think they should have let English do his thing.
Keith Brookings of the Atlanta Falcons was good at GT.
yeah, I agree. English is very valuable with his work with DB's and his west coast connections. He should be kept and Tenuta should just focus on the defense as a whole.
This is why Miles is the man...great staff hires...can't wait to see who else he brings in!
Shall we send an entourage down to Houston to convince McGuffie to stay?
This is all you need about Tenuta...
"He helped develop several defensive backs into NFL players, including first-round draft picks Shawn Springs, Antoine Winfield, Ahmed Plummer and Nate Clements from Ohio State. Springs was the 1996 Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year and a first-team all-America, while Winfield won the 1998 Jim Thorpe Award."
Makes me sick to write that. Really.
I'd like to see Loefler stay and develop/learn with some different philosophies and approaches to the game. But only in his current position. Jackson is a great guy, but as RB coach he sure wasn't willing to give Hart a chance until the two bums in front of him got hurt.
Well, clearly everyone's excited about Tenuta (if true), but I don't know. I've heard that Tenuta's good, but I haven't really seen GaTech to know for sure. Honestly, I don't know that much about him, but I guess I'll have to start looking at GaTech's defensive stats over the past few years. For now, though, I'll defer to the crowd and say 'woo yay Tenuta!'
As for OC, is there any evidence to suggest that Crowton wouldn't come with Les? I just kind of assumed that he would be on somebody's HC radar (he has been a HC before), but I haven't seen or heard anything about him going anywhere. And I doubt that LSU is going to hire a whiz-bang OC for the head coach, because defense matters so much in the SEC, soooo...should we assume Crowton is coming with Les?
As far as Loeffler, he is still pretty young. Plus I would think if Miles is going to go big (bringing in a new DC) he is going to go all the way...
I would think they keep him on (espec with his QB recruiting) and he would be next in line for OC after whoever they bring in.
Wasn't English promoted to DC to keep him from bolting to an NFL job? I think those of you that think he is staying if Tenuta comes aboard are just setting yourselves up for a letdown. Some west coast team will take a look at most of last season and the OSU game this year and take a flyer on English as a DC I bet.
Cissoko may want to tap the brakes on that planned visit to Illinois...
Tenuta blitzed his a$$ off at Ga Tech because Gailey never gave him a high scoring offense the last 5 years, and his D needed to create turnovers just to stay in games. In addition, the Tech D was constantly at a size disadvantage because they needed speed and athletes to stay with other ACC teams, and as a result, needed to bring in blitzers to stop the run.
In summary, Tenuta will be more conservative at U of M with a bigger DL and a more capable offense, but yet, don't be surprised if Ezeh or Trent get a few sacks and TFLs.
Desmond doesn't want to compromise his status as member of the search committee. However, Martin and Lloyd probably want to gage public reaction by leaking some nuggets through Desmond to Herbie.
English won't stay. He will be the next D-Coord @ Cal. Bedford may stay though.
There are a ton of HC spots opening across the country. Crowton might want to spread his wings...
Just heard the news, and I am so excited I can hardly stand it. I cant wait for next year.
Re: Jackson and Hart, unless we were running full contact practices which with Lloyd strikes me as...unlikely, wouldn't his particular ability to just power through people not be entirely clear? I might be totally off base, but I tend to give Jackson a pass there.
At least we didn't stubbornly support the upperclassman the whole year like we have with certain other decisions (cough, Massey over Branch, cough)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3136391
I know it's ancient history by now, but if those guys hadn't been hurt Hart would've seen the field until who knows when.
Anyway, Miles should end that type of BS
Merry Christmas!!!!
Now announce the new OC (just want to make absolutely sure DeBord is gone) and it will be 'Happy New Year!!!' also.
Miles was like the big Christmas present under the tree. Tenuta was like opening the present and finding the keys to the Playboy Mansion.
GO BLUE!
If the "Pellini to NU" rumors are true, Crowton may be in line for the LSU job. I still think LSU needs to look at Pellini first.
Pat Forde is full of crap.
@Kblow
Well, Crowton was already the HC at BYU, and IIRC he wasn't completely horrid. But really, I'm surprised that Crowton hasn't been mentioned as a HC candidate anywhere (e.g. Southern Miss?), and I highly doubt LSU will consider him to replace Miles. So I'm left to assume that Les could bring Crowton to Michigan if he wanted to.
Or maybe I'm way off base WRT other ADs looking at Crowton...
I am trying to find info on GT players in the NFL hardly any. LB Keith Brookings and Calvin Johnson is pretty much it. GT was the ACC runnerup last year, maybe Tenuta is the real deal.
Josh, Kbow...
I agree, English staying is a ace in the hole if Miles didn't work out. He has proven himself thus far.
English has lost that certain something in my book since OSU last year. That being said, I dont see him stepping into a lower tier position. He'll likely move on somewhere else...maybe GT. It could be like the ROJO/D-War trade last year! I'll take Tenuto, but there go some recruits from this year (Cissoko!!!).
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
Tenuta! Are you freaking kidding me!!!
Thank you for firing Chan, GT. This is a coaching coup!!!
oh those Spartans...living in their dream world...Think that with Miles as our new head coach Dantonio is now going to dominate the series lmao.
http://www.spartantailgate.com/f...s-
michigan.html
Aaron:
James Butler, SS from NYGiants was a star @ Ga Tech under Tenuta.
For the Tenuta/GT crowd.
While GT hasn't set the world on fire in recruiting, they've pulled in respectable classes over the years. At least compared to Duke, Maryland, and most others in the ACC not named VT, Miami, and FSU. So while he has been impressive, its not as if he hasn't had talent (especially compared to his opponents).
He's a good pick up, its just he seems to have a game or two every year where his high risk/high reward system doesn't work. What if next year Purdue handles the blitz, passes for 500 yards, and scores 40 points? That's something that would happen. Prior to that he might have dominated some good offenses, but it just seems he has some baffling games sometimes.
A year ago, Ron English was deemed the heir apparent to Lloyd for the head coaching vacancy. I see no way that English, who, no matter what you say, has been a good defensive coordinator overall (the defense ended up OK this year, despite losing 5 NFL draft picks) takes a demotion to hang around.
Does anyone seriously think English will go from Defensive Coordinator to interviewing for Head Coach to coaching defensive backs or defensive line? Hell no.
First of all, if it's true that Miles AND Tenuta are coming (still speculation, in my opinion), Michigan is going to be paying a ton of money to those two guys, let alone whoever will be offensive coordinator. They're not going to pay coordinator money to English to be a position coach.
Secondly, why would he want to stay and take less control? That's just silly.
__________________________
@ Jim VanBoven
McGuffie was hurt for much of his senior year. He was nursing a sprained ankle after the second game. He still averaged 8+ yards per carry.
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@ whoever
There was a more recent article on Rivals that suggested McGuffie will stay even if Miles comes to Michigan.
English was headed the DB coach for 5 years prior to being the D.Coord the past two years. He was headed to be the DB coach for the Chicago Bears before Lloyd promoted him two years ago.
@Constantine,
C'mon are you blind? Did we watrch the same OSU game last year. We didnt' loose by that much at all. It was English's defense that kept us in the game. Henne is/was a subpar talent in a school with such rich talent. He was merely adequate. Debord's foolish play calling against more mobile defensed is what lead to the downward spiral.
In case anybody is curious, NFL Players from GT:
Keith Brooking Linebacker Atlanta Falcons
James Butler Free Safety New York Giants
P.J. Daniels Running Back Baltimore Ravens
Nat Dorsey Offensive Tackle Cleveland Browns
Andrew Economos Center Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Nick Ferguson Safety Denver Broncos
Keyaron Fox Linebacker Kansas City Chiefs
Anthony Hargrove Defensive End Buffalo Bills
Will Heller Tight End Seattle Seahawks
Eric Henderson Linebacker Cincinnati Bengals
Calvin Johnson Wide Receiver Detroit Lions
Dawan Landry Safety Baltimore Ravens
Michael Matthews Tight End New York Giants
Chris Reis Safety New Orleans Saints
Daryl Smith Linebacker Jacksonville Jaguars
Travares Tillman Safety Miami Dolphins
Gerris Wilkinson Linebacker New York Giants
Mansfield Wrotto Offensive Tackle Seattle Seahawks
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/co...ollege?
letter=g
In his first speech Les should un-vaiel a countdown clock of his own that has all zero's on it and tell the whole conference that there on notice. F**k MSU, F**K OSU and Wiskey(Coach B's a crybaby). Gentalman football is over in AA were not going to pull our starters till you do. Let'em Rip.
Possible that Enlgish stays as "Assistant Head Coach" or some other title which is technically a promotion while allowing Tenuta to take over the defense?
-i doubt RE takes on a lesser role w/ M. he';; probably head back west as DC. just using logic.
-re: YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOOOOOARD EEEE-YES!
i always had an affinity for the ChiSox...till i moved to MI and saw their games on WGN. their homer-announcers make me what to puke. i now root for the tigers to beat the whte sux whenever they play.
-re: MDan: 'Am I full of shit?'
do i really need to answer this? ;-)
Herbie announced miles/tenuta as breaking news live on SC to lead the show. i doubt he's wrong about this, since that would really make him look like a ass.
Here in SF, it has been widely reported that Cal is looking for a D-Coordinator. They blew some huge leads late this season, and Tedford is pushing the holdover, Bob Gregory, into retirement. Cal potentially has a great team returning next year (Longshore, Jackson, a host of backs, and a young D), and English, being an alum, is a natural fit.
I would not be surprised if English has had discussions with Tedford already, and that's one of the reasons why the information regarding Tenuta was leaked.
Mike Leach for OC
This is like Christmas morning. This played out about as well as it possibly could have, and there was significant doubt about that happening just about 5-6 days ago.
Now? Miles and Tenuta? I feel like the N-64 kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h?
v=pFlcqWQVVuU
NYC,
I would hope that would be a scenario they look at.
Miles is fine. Michigan Man, blah blah.
Tenuta is outstanding.
Now, let's just wait out this OC search. Perhaps the most important hire in Michigan history. Oh, and get rid of Gitt please.
Yeah, RE is back at Cal, no doubt. It's a lateral in terms of position and prestige, and it's his home.
@ NYCWolverine
No.
@ Off Tackle Tom
Many of those players are offensive players. And the best of the bunch is Keith Brooking, who left Georgia Tech before Tenuta got there. I'm not saying Tenuta's bad. I'm just saying that list is pretty misleading/irrelevant.
Maybe we can poach WVU's OC? I don't know who it is, but I want that offense.
The lack of NFL defensive players from GT is actually a testament to Tenuta. He did a lot with mediocre talent.
I am ok with Georgia Tech - we need some Kraka'a ass Kraka's on the line, they know how to bring the whoop down.
do not want spread at UM! (unless you can clone white/slaton)
Yeah, isn't the fact that they've had good D with little NFL talent an endorsement of Tenuta?
I think Miles and Tenuta will be a nice combination of personalities. Some knocks on Tenuta are that he is not a media-savvy-type and also not necessarily a player's coach i.e. he works his players very hard and his players don't tend to "love" him. Rather, they learn to respect him and know that he will develop them into better players.
With Miles at the helm, it will allow Tenuta to do exactly what he wants - coach, and not have to worry so much about other obligations that coaches might have to fulfill.
We need a LET ER RIP shirt! It will be happening on both sides of the ball now!
I want the spread. Chalk me up as a commie.
Anyone know if Steve Kragthorpe may be in trouble with how shitty Louisville was this year? Maybe we can pry him as an OC. I liked his schemes at Tulsa.
Oh, and don't bother wishing for a true spread. We're strapped with Paul Bunyan at QB for the next 3 years. Running the spread would be tragically hilarious.
@ chitownblue
Cal is not a lateral move from Michigan. I know Michigan isn't at the elite level we wish (like USC), but our program has way more tradition and respect and consistency than Cal's.
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In the words of Gunny Hartman:
"Ho-lee Jee-zus."
Les Miles I'd be happy with...but Jon Tenuta would be...well, just more than anyone would have a right to ask for.
Think of the embarrassment of riches sports fans in New England have right now with the Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics (even Bruins and BC Eagles) playing so well at the same time...if you could concentrate all that into a college football coaching staff, having Miles and Tenuta coaching for Michigan is the closest thing to approximate that, IMO.
Brian's spot-on RE: his assessment of Ga. Tech with Tenuta coaching...without him, they are anywhere from 3-9 to 5-7 every year.
Just...WOW.
Jeff Quinn (BKelly's O-coord @ GVSU, CMU, and now Cincy) for OC
Tenuta?
What's wrong with "bend but don't break"?
Yes, the lack of NFL players from Georgia Tech is a compliment to Tenuta. He's had success with very little talent.
Still, that list was misleading/irrelevant.
Yeah, I know I found a bunch of those same GT guys on the list. Alot are practice squad guys or have bounced around from team to team in a short period of time.
For those who aren't familiar with Tenuta, here are some good quotes on him:
"Tenuta's defense has overwhelmed opposing offensive lines to post nation-leading totals in sacks (47) and tackles for a loss (102.5) and rank seventh in the country in total defense (299.27 yards per game)...'It definitely takes time to prepare for it. You can't really prepare for that scheme (quickly),' Adams [UGA tackle] said. "You can't just say, 'Well we're gonna run the rock or throw the ball every time.' They're gonna bring something to try to confuse you or they'll disguise coverages.
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2...ory/
181029.html
The USA Today article below is almost too good to excerpt -- read the whole thing -- but here's a good quote:
"Wake Forest didn't even know it would be in the title game until it defeated Maryland on Saturday. 'We had a week off, so we had two weeks to get ready [for the GT defense]. And we needed it because they throw so much at you,' said Stafford, whose team had one offensive TD.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/c...h-
defense_x.htm
Here is the official bio:
http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/
spo...nuta_jon00.html
Here is a skeptical message board post:
http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/...ead.php?
t=23655
Whoa there Johnny Sideburns...
You're confusing this partially new staff of ours with the FSU staffs of the 1990's. And that's just not the case...yet. Give it time. A lot of time.
Miles staff at LSU that came with him from Okie State
Doug Mallory
Larry Porter
Josh Henson
I'll bet the OL Coach, Studrawa ends up here as well.
Some say that Jackson, Loeffler and Campbell stay at Mich. Biggest log jam, is Jackson and Porter...two of the better recruiters around, and both at the same position of responsibility.
I won't be surprised about Crowton either way, but I think Les will look around and see who is available.
Kblow,
LMAOA! what's wrong with the spread baby? It took us apart 10 seconds. The whole issue is to have a defensive antidote for it, and use it offensively if we run into a scenario where we have to use all the balls. That has been our down fall of late - We don't bring enough offense to the table. V-E-R-S-A-T-I-L-E is what we need to be offensively.
WOOO!
I can honestly say that I'd prefer a Miles/Tenuta combination more than Stoops, Carroll, or Meyer. This is amazingly great news, almost too good to be true.
They seem to like emoticons on the spartan-tailgate board.
Very good news this AM.....BUT...Just because of the upgrade for coaching doesn't mean that translates to player performance improvements. Coaching the game is one thing, playing the game is another.
Sorry, I'm just a little nervous about expectations for next year.
We need a post from Brian evaluating the top OC choices around the country.
Make one a fullback coach and one a RB coach. LOL.
How thrilling is it to know that Miles sees clearly? That when he needs a coordinator, he doesn't get screwy judgment (Carr), but looks around like you and I do and sees the studs that fit the need and goes after them? He's done it so many times it means that even if these guys turn over, he can do it again.
Magnus,
I wasn't trying to argue either way so I don't see how the list was misleading. I was just trying to put the data out for discussion.
If the Tenuta rumor is true, and Tenuta really is as good as everyone says he is, then let me point out that THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MAKES LES MILES SUCH A GOOD HEAD COACH!
He is a CEO coach that puts the team in front of his ego, and it shows by his willingness to just go "get" the best coordinators out there.
Seriously, this is one of the big reasons why I liked Miles so much in the first place. The staff is where the playcalls and prep happen on a daily basis, and Les Miles has shown an ability to make sure he has the best staff possible.
Now I eagerly await to see who his OC will be. And count me as a Spread Commie. I really, really want the spread offense in Ann Arbor, even with Mallett at the helm. Please get the Spread, comrades.
they also like living in this dream world that Mark Dantonio is going to do something different than the previous coaches...he will be gone in 2 years because they will always be the SOS
I'm not sure the expectations are really going to be out-sized for next year. I think we'd be pretty mediocre even if you imported the Patriot's coaching staff. Hopefully, this lays the groundwork for the future.
Give us a New England/Brady spread, not a Oregon or WVU spread. The latter breaks down the moment your run-around QB gets whacked (as he will), while the former requires a Michigan type of QB.
perhaps I need to awaken, the hiring of tenuta demonstrates a level of acumen that I heretofor considered above you northern mouthbreathers
I'm a UGA fan who has seen a good bit of Tenuta. If anyone doesn't know about him, he blitzes about 90% of the time, but he uses a lot of zone blitzes so that normally the big play isn't given up (they did have a problem with the big play this year though).
He will blitz LB, CB, or S's at any time, or drop people in zone at anytime. The variety of blitzes he uses are impressive, and I've heard people call his system snowflake blitzes because no two are alike.
This variety can cause a lot of confusion for offensive lines, and most of the successful blitzes are due to confusion by the line, not necessarily overwhelming pressure.
One of the things that I have always found impressive about his defenses is that he teaches the blitzers to look for and stop the run first, then pressure the QB second.
This season the Ga Tech defense leads the nation in sacks and tackles for loss, and this is a crazy number, but I believe 48% of all their defensive plays result in zero or negative yardage this year.
chi, you're right. Next year's offense is going to be...nasty.
Nevermind, Rich Rodriguez is sort of the de-facto OC at WVU, it seems. Their OC is credited mostly as being a RB coach.
OK, Andy...
Loeffler????
Please give me a list of his accomplishments....
CMU...don't make me laugh.
Navarre?
While UM got the most out of Navarre's limited talent, do you think Loeffler deserves credit for that or Parrish, the guy with a real track record and Navarre's coach for three years.
Gutierrez?
Loeffler threw Matt under the bus, Matt puts in one year at a miserable I-AA school, and now he's #3 with the PATRIOTS??!! Does Loeffler get credit here or blame for missing the boat?
Henne?
Have you seen Henne's improvement? Chad was Loeffler's ticket to ride, But Henne did nearly as well as a frosh after 3 weeks under Loeffler as did after 3 years. Don't you think a real QB coach should have turned Chad into all-world after 3 years? Chad came out of his frosh year as the top QB in his class. Did he finish in the top 5? top 10?
And don't give me Brady. Loeffer was a TEAMMATE for crissakes! Parrish was his coach.
To put it bluntly....Loeffler track record sucks.
Why all the love for Ron English?!?!
He seems like a nice guy, but who do you blame for NEVER being able to stop the spread offense?
off the top of my head
1) OSU last year
2) USC in the rose bowl
3) Appy st
4) Oregon
AND the first two were with one of the best defenses (statistically) that Michigan has ever had.
good riddance Ron English, the Ron Tenuta era has begun.
Well for once [if all this BS comes to fruititon] sounds like Big Blue may be a contender next year.
enron: recruiting.
@ Off Tackle Tom
I didn't mean you were intentionally trying to mislead anyone. I just meant that, in a discussion of Tenuta's defensive prowess, the presence of Calvin Johnson (among others) at Georgia Tech is irrelevant.
I apologize if it came off that way.
@Mfan in Cbus Hell:
Oh, don't worry, we have plenty of time to settle ourselves down and get a grip on our expectations. Losing Hart, Henne, and Long will hurt us, and next year's schedule has a few sketchy road games. I bet we go 9-3 with (please God) a win over OSU, but considering that we would do that with a true sophomore QB and meh running backs, I'll take it.
No 12-0 season for us just yet, but give the man some time to build the Program up.
Missourri runs a passing spread, no?
Larry Porter will NOT be coming to Michigan from LSU. I've read numerous articles that suggest he'll stay in the south.
Rivals and other outlets about to report Les re-ups with LSU............the story of Miles leaving is bogus.
9-3 looks to be the best case scenario, unless Miles starts channelling some serious kickassitude(and Mallett pulls his head out of his ass). No Hart, no Henne, no Long, no Manningham(and maybe not Arrington either...gotta fight to keep him), no Kraus, no Crable...but there's a lot of young talent to be molded on this team. Beat OSU, win a bowl game...you'll be off to a good start, Les.
Enron Bowl,
Quit hatin' - you obviously don't watch Michigan Football come away with a half-assed assessment like that. We are just showing our appreciation for a newer coach that showed initiative. English has been the reason we won games we shoul dhave lost and almost won games we were supposed to win. Sad to say Debord was no factor at all.
For the last time, using the spead offense does not mean that we become WVU clones (although that's easily the most entertaining version of the offense, IMO).
Look at what Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are doing in the NFL. They are using the same offensive formation, but executing it in a different way. As much of a copycat leafue as the NFL is, it won't be long before more NFL teams are using the same formation to try to duplicate the results. Therefore it STILL makes sense to prepare quarterbacks for the NFL the Michigan's been able to do by using that offense.
The "can't-miss" element of the spread is that we can use a guy like Pat White, Ryan Mallett, or Chase Daniel (yes, they use it at Mizzou, as well) without limitation.
I'm telling you, the spread offense is the way to go. Even the cementheaded SEC fans are starting to realize that now.
My vote would be someone with roots from Texarkana to be OC. We need someone who can connect with Mullet. I'm thinking someone with "bear-ish" tendencies that inspire the team. Given our injuries lately, i'm also thinking someone with some medical training would be useful. Lastly, he should probably have a pluralized first name. Anybody know someone who fits this profile?
Missouri runs a passing spread, but they have a QB who can run. It wouldn't be the same thing.
Miles ran a form of the spread at LSU and had success with Jamarcus Russell, who isn't really any more mobile than Mallett. He can be successful with Mallett and a similar offense.
wow, i think i disagree w/ about 94% of what big stick had to say.
that even eclipses MDan & DarnRepub/DarnWolv
@ Enron:
John Tenuta :]
I'm hungover, on 5 hours of sleep, working a 10 hour day saving lives with a big ass coffee here... but now I feel great!
looks like Miles recruited Michigan!
Guys, brace yourselves for some bad news.
This is not going to be pretty.
Hence, my Kragthorpe suggestion. Louisville's offense spreads them out with cement legs at QB in Brohm, but they still have an element of pro-style.
Hopefully, Miles will recruit a dual-threat QB to maybe break the mold of what the Michigan QB has become the past 20 years.
While I know you all think that ESPN is not the be all end all to sports news, I highly doubt they would have put their necks on the line and ran with the Miles story if he wasn't in fact coming...
@ Hag
LMAO! how true... The reverse Jedi Mind Trick -- loos games and you'll get a job at a better school.
@ Sideburns
How very true... I couldn't agree more
DanK, that's cold. I thought we made up. You even liked a Les Miles post of mine...
yup, Miles had a take or leave it offer and TOOK IT with LSU, he is not leaving.
@ Johnny Sideburns
The Colts and the Patriots don't run the same offense.
The Patriots are more a spread team than Indianapolis. The run game is an afterthought and they often send out 4 or 5 wideouts.
The Colts often run an Ace formation with two TEs, two WRs, and one RB. Or they play with three WRs, one TE, and one RB. It's not a spread. It just seems that way because they're able to throw the ball so effectively.
English stopped a very good spread-option attack in Illinois. Remember them? The offense that absolutely mauled Ohio State in Columbus in the 4th quarter?
"Good riddance English" is just stupid, between his recruiting acumen and solid coaching. How quickly you people forget Herrmann.
That said, bring on Tenuta!
no actually its JON Tenuta
IFIFIF Miles is the coach and IFIFIFIF the rumors are true about Tenuta being DC, then Magnus and others are right: there is no way that Ron English would stay in a lesser capacity. Coaches just do not take demotions willingly, especially early in their careers, and in RE's case, why should he? While I don't think he was all that great as a DC (or as a recruiter, for that matter), you don't get to the position of being the DC of a program like Michigan by being a complete knucklehead (that's for the position of OC). And, if the information about Cal's DC needs is accurate, then that position would seem to be as perfectly suited to English as Michigan is for Miles. Good luck to him.
wtfff?
What excites us all about this hire, and this specific combination, is that Miles' greatest strength is Carr's greatest (only?) weakness: Miles constantly looks to hire the *best* available assistants, and Carr is overly loyal to existing assistants/friends.
It's clear to everyone that hiring Tenuta as DC would be a coup of epic proportions, but it would *really* be sad to see English go. He's a competent DC who should improve with experience, and he's a fantastic recruiter who does a great job relating to and motivating his players. He was a great hire a few years ago, and it's always exciting to see young coaches develop within the program. It's a long shot, but I hope that we can keep English in some capacity by throwing an "Asst. Head Coach" tag on his title, or making him Recruiting Coordinator, or whatever. (Okay, there's no chance...a man can dream, no?)
I honestly have no worries over who we'll hire as OC - while I have some concerns about Miles as head coach, I'm 100% confident that he'll find the best available OC candidate.
cf,
I agree, lost a few, will gain much more with LM and Tenuta. I've been breathing buk-i air for too long.
I remember sweatervests presser when hired, can't wait to hear LM's.
@ The Mile -
Then we watched the same games. Lol, some people are blind huh?
Well, for the record, I'm of the "Vince Young Runalot Spread" religion, not the "Purdue Cum Shot Spread" religion, so allowing for the time and commitment it would take to convert Michigan over to an option attack is too much to ask for, I guess. (sigh).
OTOH, a lot of Spread gurus are able to tweak the system to fit the QB's abilities. I guess this is where the OC choice comes in- can he run his spread offense with pocket QBs, and can he easily switch it over to a running spread offense if/when Michigan lands a scrambling QB recruit?
Well, we blizted every play too it seemed. Many times the Lb's ran into the backs of the defensive lineman blocking themselves out of making a tackle embarrasingly.
Then the DB's ran into the backs of the LB's, most evident in the OSU game on Wells big TD run he had.
It looked like the 3 Stooges at times.
Congrats.
and what the pats run is more of a west coast spread (?)...not the spread-option that appyst/ore/wvu run. obviously.
but let's be clear...the key to the pats success is 2 things: protection & brady. no one will have that kind of success w/o outstanding performances from the OL & QB.
By the way, if Manningham and Arrington leave, it would be pretty difficult for Michigan to run 5-wide like LSU does on occasion.
Our top five WRs next year would probably be:
Mathews (JR)
Savoy (SR)
Clemons (SO)
Hemingway (SO)
Stonum (FR)
And that's it. We have a lot of talent at WR, but not a lot of experience or depth.
"Quit hatin' - you obviously don't watch Michigan Football come away with a half-assed assessment like that. We are just showing our appreciation for a newer coach that showed initiative. English has been the reason we won games we shoul dhave lost and almost won games we were supposed to win. Sad to say Debord was no factor at all."
Hmm, lets see, I've watched every Michigan game for the last 7 years, and quite a few before that. Nice try.
Look, Lloyd and English are both nice guys, and are both apparently good at recruiting, but we don't owe them (esp English) anything. It's a showme world. English had a D that gave up huge plays and points to OSU and USC last year in the most clutch games of the year and followed it up with App St and Oregon embarrassment.
I don't understand the love for English. Keep drinkin the kool aid.
Bring on Tenuta and Miles!
\Missouri runs a passing spread, but they have a QB who can run.//
Exactly my point. That offense allows a quarterback to succeed if he is:
1.) A runner who can pass (Pat White)
2.) A passer who can run (Chase Daniel)
3.) A passer who can't run (Tom Brady)
4.) Vince Young and Darren McFadden, who are just so damned good that all you have to do is put them out there.
Hey, DanK...
I hope you're not conceding the CMU comment because, if you are, it means that you think Brady was coached by a teammate!
If that's true, maybe we should stop recruiting kids who can be players and start recruiting kids who can coach each other.
Listen,
People aren't just mindlessly showreing English with adulation. He is a smart coach and adapts quickly. When we got destroyed by the Duck's he said "F-that S@#t" we're gonna change this up. However - it doesn't matter what any offensive or defensive assistant wants, the overarching strategy comes from on high, and Carr simply said it himself, he was done some time ago.
@ DanK
Agreed. I meant to mention the Patriots offensive line being excellent. I don't know that Michigan has the necessary talent on the OL for next year to protect the QB if the playcall sends 5 receivers out.
DanK, it's not so much the personnel as the matchups. Forcing teams - whatever the mix of personnel - to have only 6 in the box with a speed back (i.e., McGuffie) is what intrigues us, regardless if we can completely protect. I, for one, always thought that Barry Sanders did well in the run and shoot because of the space. Barry in a Hogs/Redskins type of running game would not have been as effective.
So who do we move on to since Miles is staying at LSU.......Kelly? Grobe?
@ Sideburns,
Hey remeber that crap a couple years ago about the debate between who was the better QB in Young vs. Lineart?
Guess Young went ahead and shut that up real quick. The is not even in his prime yet and is causing a ruckus. Lineart better have been happy with all that ass he was gettin g from Carroll's recruitment stripper poll cause he hasn't done crap.
gmb - Put up or shut up with a source.
Yeah, I have to say that English seems like a pretty good DC, even though we don't have much of a record to judge him on.
On the other hand, I do hold English responsible for the lack of preparation against Appy State (though I don't think he's to blame for Oregon). That kind of arrogance might have been a result of the Culture of Lloyd and Debord, but at the end of the day, English is responsible for the D, and he didn't get it done in the first game of the year. He made some nice adjustments and revived the D, though, so again, I don't think English is a bad coach.
I say we defer to the new head coach on his staff decisions- this is one of Les Miles' strengths, IMO.
@ Johnny Sideburns
The Patriots can run a spread because, as DanK said, they have:
1. An excellent offensive line (something Michigan doesn't have now that Long and Kraus are gone)
2. Tom Brady (who makes good, quick decisions)...
3. ...and Tom Brady, who has excellent pocket presence (which Ryan Mallett doesn't - or hasn't shown yet)
gmb et al-
Where did you hear that Miles is staying at LSU?
i'll concede that Brady's development wasn't all lefty. and i'll concede that Navarre was not that talented out of HS.
it's the rest that i thought was nuts.
wait...what does CMU have to do w/ leoffler? i glossed over that and now i'm confused.
And yeah, the offensive line is the key to ANY offense working...it's difficult to execute the spread as well as New England and WVU if your line doesn't handle assignments as well as theirs do. But Michigan's always had good talent on the OL...the conditioning has been the problem they need to fix.
It is unfortunately on the front page of michigan.rivals.com I can't read the entire thing though because I am not a subscriber.
Rivals is reporting that Miles is staying at LSU - you can tell from the topic on their premium board.
but again, I doubt ESPN and yahoo and other media sources would have ran with it if there weren't any truth to it.
Not just Rivals -- McCarty is reporting that LSU has reached a multi-year agreement with Miles and that he'll be staying at OSU. Looks like it's on to Plan B.
Rivals
hmmm.....It seems as though we'll have to wait until monday to find out, after all.
LSU, not OSU. :-)
As much as we all like to crap on ESPN's journalistic skillz, I have to think they would NOT go out on a limb and report "Les Miles to Michigan" as their lead story on their primetime college football show unless they really, really, really had that info solid.
I don't recall ESPN ever going out on a limb like this before and getting it wrong. Please provide an example if you think I'm wrong.
I think Les Miles is a done deal, otherwise ESPN would have sat on this.
"People aren't just mindlessly showreing English with adulation. He is a smart coach and adapts quickly. When we got destroyed by the Duck's he said "F-that S@#t" we're gonna change this up. However - it doesn't matter what any offensive or defensive assistant wants, the overarching strategy comes from on high, and Carr simply said it himself, he was done some time ago."
fair enough. I'm not picking a fight, but I'm not sad to see him go. Regardless of the "overarching stategy", he is the D coordinator. HE is responsible for the D.
He changes quickly?!?! The Oregon game was the 4th game in a row (going back almost a year) that HIS D got embarrassed, and the second game in a row that the same players got embarrassed.
I will say this, thank god he pulled something together against our big 10 opponents or this year could have been much worse. Then again, except for Illinois, we didn't really face any real competition before the end of the year in big 10 play.
The deal supposedly has been signed and will be announced during the game or just before
@Cfaller
English is a good guy I agree they should just let his move over to AHC like Josh had mentioned, and if Miles dont' work out... you have a tested guys. He was brought in three years ago, but DC'd for two of those. Andy Moeller [who I went to school with] was intrenched but got absolutely nothing done... as OC which is when they made some changes on both sides - which is sad cuz he's a bright kid, but didnt' bring it.
ESPN reporting that Steve Spurrier will be the next Offensive Coordinator. Also, we're likely to be bringing in Lawrence Taylor as linebackers coach, and Deion Sanders for cornerbacks. No word on whether Barry Sanders will fill the running back coach vacancy.
- BS
Now Carty is reporting it, too:
http://blog.mlive.com/jim_carty/
@ Johnny Sideburns
The S&C coach has been the same guy for the entirety of Lloyd's career (and longer).
We just flat-out won't have much talent OR experience next year on the offensive line. Aside from questionable QB play, the O-line will probably be the biggest question mark in 2008.
Schilling played fairly poorly, although he should be healthy enough to get stronger for the entire off-season/spring practice.
Boren was worse than expected.
I've read that Mitchell might not come back for a fifth year; even if he does, he's not great.
We have to replace our two best linemen (Long and Kraus). Their replacements will probably be Ortmann and ____________ (McAvoy, Zirbel, Molk, or a freshman).
@Be Serious
LSU fan?
OSU fan?
Jealous much?
Jim Carty says that Miles is staying at LSU...
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/
...ing_at_lsu.html
P.S.--Sorry for the repeat.
All right, I need to go and watch the Army-Navy game...won't hear any more of this "Les is staying at LSU" horseshit...need to feel good, it's Christmastime, for cryin' out loud.
Peace out, A-squared.
I wanted Tenuta as HC. I'll take him as DC.
oh noooooooo
I too doubt ESPN would be wrong in this.... and rumors usually tend to be true. BUT... the RichRod thing last year I believe played out this exact same way, and now I'm scared and almost shit my pants.
"regardless if we can completely protect [the QB-ed]."
i'm glad MDan isn't coaching football for Michigan. (also glad that i'm not either)
look, i agree that we need to scheme to create more match-up advantages on offense. but in the a pats-type offense you need to be able to protect the QB and the Qb needs to be freaking ungodly good b/c 75% of the offense is in his hands. have you seen Brady's passer rating this year? have you seen his sack #s this year? you can't put up Brady's numbers on madden for godssake.
Brady in that offense in 07 is greater than USCs ability to recruit from 02-08. it's xbox numbers. ridiculus.
This could end up being "BP to Nebraska, Tenuta to LSU under Miles to replace BP."
WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT
yeah, this is playing out like the West Virginia/Alabama BS
"A source has told ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit that barring any unforeseen circumstances, Michigan will announce early next week it has reached an agreement with LSU coach Les Miles to be its next head football coach."
UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES! Could that be lots more money for LSU, and the promise of hiring Tenuta??
I really wouldn't be upset about Miles staying on at LSU - missing out on Tenuta would suck, though.
I guess this will force Martin and co. to actually get off their ass and start scouting candidates for the job at the University of FUCKING Michigan.
Jeff Tedford...Please...Please.
But again...everything is rumors at this point. Miles could very well still be on board.
This is unreal
unforeseen circumstances meaning LSU heard the leak and probably offered a hell of a lot more money, put the contract on the table immediately following the leak.
Shit, I hope this is not true.
no no no no no no no no no
Holy F#*%. We got outbid folks. Jim Carty said Miles will be one of the highest paid in the country. $h!t.
I thought English's schemes were good the players just didn't execute them well at all times this year. Two, Three, four, or more guys aren't supposed to run into each other like they did for UM's defense at times.
For the most after Oregon this got fixed. The big running backs they had a problem tackling one on one after Oregon.
Les Miles just juked the fuck out the UM football program for about 4 million per...lmao..... M-Live says dude is not coming and plans to re-up...
If making Miles one of the highest paid coaches in the country is what it takes to get him here, it's so not worth it.
When are we going to hear that all of the Hammer Strength crap was thrown out and a new S & C program is in place? Hopefully before the bowl game.
this is total bull shit. Screw him and lets get Kelly or Tedford
W.T.F.
Well, like I said earlier... don't bet on anything until some one official says something. Secondly, why would Miles leave? He have every imptetous to stay.
Big M just said this on SpartanTailgate and I sort of have to agree..If they said he was going to be fired and put someone else as HC today, what would you have done?
"Apparently LSU completely has schooled Martin. LSU basically told Miles sign an extension right this minute or you're fired.
And while Miles has reason to believe he'll get the job, it's not a slam dunk.
Apparently he's chosen the sure thing."
Will someone please turn to ESPNews and take a screenshot: Sources: Les Miles to coach Michigan. I just want to remember the happiness if it turns out to be untrue.
They are event talking about it openly. This is weird. And going to be interesting if/when ESPN has to backtrack.
Apparently, even Michigan Men have a price.
I would have told LSU to go fuck themselves and signed with Michigan immediately. That is what a true Michigan man would have done.
If we got used as a stalking horse by Les, we should renounce him as an alum.
This would be more humiliating than the App. State loss, if true.
I'm gonna vomit. I'm hungover, 5 hours of sleep, and at work for 10 hrs today saving lives... and now I feel like shit again.
Holy shit is this great news !!! Let's just hope Debord is gone also. It's pre-Christmas morning guys...man the future is looking bright !!!
GoBlue,
Well, I'd rather be the bullet in the chamber, than one of many in the magazine.
LSU AD played us good. Wanting us to wait until after this game today to talk to Miles. He knew exactly what he was doing and was going to make him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Lame. But we need someone like this guy up at Michigan lol.
Can we not do the "a real Michigan Man wouldn't have done that" stuff? I never wanted Miles to be the head coach, but there's no reason to get personal on the guy if he really is staying.
Is Jim Carty full of crap? What's his rep? And has anyone else made claims to counter Herbsteit? Rivals doesn't count b/c they probably are getting the same info from Carty.
@ enron
oh no, definitely UM fan. Just pointing out that all the speculation is just that, and nothing more.
Nah, Carty's a good guy and Michigan fan. I just hope he's wrong.
So Miles just pulled a Nick Saban and got himself more money? How did this all happen in about three hours time from Herbie naming him coach to Miles pulling a Saban.
Aaaand, now ESPNews says "maybe Miles to Michigan isn't a done deal after all..."
Shite.
What fo the Spurrier crap? he isn't half bad you know?
b-b-b-b-b-but I thought that the internets said Les told his team at practice that he was coming to Michigan???
IFIFIFIF this is true, then one of the following is the case:
Miles, like most men, has his price. He really had no intention of coaching at Michigan, and was simply trying to get a larger contract. Marquise Hill, anyone?
or
Les Miles wanted to come, but he had to agree to retain certain UM assistants.
or
Michigan didn't really want him, so Martin lowballed him. Their real target is either someone on staff or Ferentz. Advantage Carr.
Whatever the reason, at his age and stage in his career, he will never coach at Michigan.
The funny thing is there will be just as many disappointed LSU fans as there are Michigan fans.
Sounds like maybe there will be a house in Barton Hills up for sale here pretty quickly.
@Don,
Ferentz ain't gonna happen so get that one out of your head, however I am notably curious about this Steve Spurrier crap.
This is messed up. I'm quite pissed if he used us. I was actually rooting for LSU at certain times, and now there will be pure hatred. Don't think you can treat us like a bitch and get away with it. That said, if this is not true, "Welcome home Les!"
Soccer [better change that to football],
I smell NCAA tactics... Michigan is one of the top programs period. They can get whoever they want, this makes no sense - and makes complete sense at the same time.
"the more convoluted the story, and the more complicated the solution - there's where the money grab begins"
- That Darn Republican
Any chance Cam Cameron ends up as OC? Were he and Les close while on staff here? Would we wait until the NFL season is over to hire someone?
DanK
Loeffler went to CMU with Debord.
Debord coached at CMU for four years - 00/01/02/03. Loeffler was with him at CMU in 00 and 01. He returned to UM when Parrish left, Yes, Loeffler was another LC crony hire. (Why did Parrish leave and take a job with Tampa Bay? There's an interesting story there, I promise you.)
He was a player from 93-97 and a grad assistant in 98 and 99 - Brady's last two years. Since when does a grad asst get credit for developing a QB over a proven QB coach and OC?
Parrish developed Navarre in 99, 00, 01 - then Loeffler stepped in for 02 and 03. Was Navarre better in 03 than in 01? Absolutely! And Loeffler deserves some credit for that.
But....
grad asst for Brady...
nothing at CMU....
Navarre as a jr and sr....
missed on Gutierrez....
and Henne (who came in nearly as good as he leaves)....
is not a resume that should qualify him to be on this staff
ESPN2 is still running their Herbie report across the bottom of the screen.
@Be Serious
no worries, I just need to cling to irrational hope after the Lloyd Carr era.
No.... no chance of Cam Cameron coming to Michigan, he had his shot last year. Now he's just another Pete Carroll in the NFL - ineffective.
"I'm sending Tressel a Sams-Club-Sized box of Adult Depends!!!!"
Just breaking...
When told of the Miles/Tenuta hires, Jim Tressel smiled and ordered four more year's worth of little gold pants.
Stan Verrett and Jesse Palmer still running w/ the Miles to Michigan story.
Believe me, I'm not a Ferentz fan, and up till recently I thought that there was no chance he would be coach here. I'm glad that supposedly Ferentz removed himself from consideration, but it leaves me with trepidation about what the next step is. I just hope for his sake that this is not ultimately traceable to the Carr faction within the athletic dept., because whatever good feelings about his legacy will pretty much evaporate.
Whatever the reason, this is nothing other than a big slap in the face—by a prominent alumni, no less— to the program that supposedly (according to some) is the most desirable in the country.
I gotta say I trust ESPN over Carty when it comes down to it. Hope that isnt just wishful thinking talking.
Lee,
Of course, they are get blog hits.
In my opinion--- we're in a fine spot.
That is-- to those that had some concerns about Miles... wellll... if he dicks us for more money? Problem solved and tragedy averted.
If this is all BS and he's coming to Michigan and bringing Tenuta-- wooot!
Is there any way Miles is staying at LSU with Tenuta coming there as DC, and Herbsteit or whoever just got the Michigan/LSU part wrong? Could that have happened?
Carty can't retract his story... ESPN can go back and say that something happened after Kirk reported it, whether true or not.
Sadly, I think it's probably Carty's telling the truth and Les is staying at LSU. FUCK.
samsoccer--- It's possible that that is how it will turn out.. but it's impossible that Herby just got the teams confused. That is, maybe Miles said he's 99% coming to Michigan and he talked to Tenuta and he's coming along... and after that, LSU threw Jay-Z money at Miles and he's staying and JT will just go to LSU. Who knows.
Like I said-- if Miles stays for $? Good riddance. If this is all BS, then welcome to Michigan Les, and let er rip.
Not exactly a minor detail samsoccer. Herbstreit's an idiot, but he's not THAT dumb.
Details of the extension are expected to be released by LSU, which has scheduled a 1:45 p.m. press conference prior to today's Southeastern Conference title game between the Tigers and Tennessee.
it's over. Les is staying at LSU. WTF
99% 1:45 press conference is about Les staying right?
Wow, I think I now know who Herbie's sources are. Not Desmond, but either Miles himself or his agent. One big smokescreen it appears Miles has pulled.
Here's my scenario:
English moved to HC - Tenuta as DC, and we find a truly versatile OC.
This whole story, from very start to very finish, has all the appearances of a whole boatload of people making assumptions based on nothing more than personal wishes and rumor. For weeks if not months we've been told by a whole variety of folks supposedly in the know that Miles will for sure be the coach, with a minor eruption of Ferentz-fear along the way.
Nobody "knows" anything. I'll put my money on a dark-horse Beilein-like candidate as being the best we can hope for if this Miles refusal is true. My nightmare, DefCon-1 scenario is someone from the current staff being given the job.
Bo Pelini to Nebraska. Tenuta to LSU as new DC. Les stays at LSU, which won't make me too unhappy, to be honest. That's my guess. It makes sense.
Nah, I think Herbie got good info from someone.
Yeah, Howard.
det news article says miles staying
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...PDATE/
712010413
If we got Steve Spurrier - that would be better than Miles.
Yeah I had read that...
This is why I'm not believing anything until somebody official says something.
Shit,
ESPN news just took down their breaking news story
In the Great Credibility Contest of '08 between ESPN and Jim Carty, I'll reluctantly put my money on Carty.
In an alternate universe one spot over, in 2008, Les Miles and Jon Tenuta coach Michigan to an 11-1 record, including a victory over a #1 Ohio State in Columbus, and win the NC over USC.
In this universe, Bill Martin selects Mike Debord as Head Coach, with Ron English elevated to assistant HC. Michigan goes 6-6, loses to Michigan State, and gets pounded 45-10 in Columbus by the defending national champions. For the first time since 1974, Michigan does not receive a bowl invitation.
'something'
- somebody official
Let me go on the record as saying Steve Spurrier will/would never coach at Michigan.
Oh crap. Such a buzzkill.
So what about the whole "LSU puts pressure on Les to resign before the big game" idea - does it mean he HAS to stay? Could he not then take a contract with Michigan offered after the game?
What if they wanted to make the announcement to get the players all excited, knowing he might leave after?
(yeah, these are almost contortionist (sp?), but trying to figure out how both would work)
Of course the other ideas - he was simply trying to get a larger contract - he had to agree to retain certain UM assistants - Michigan didn't really want him - are all possibilities as well.
No thanks to the Old Ball Coach coming to Michigan, and when I say old, I mean old!
"In an alternate universe one spot over, in 2008, Les Miles and Jon Tenuta coach Michigan to an 11-1 record, including a victory over a #1 Ohio State in Columbus, and win the NC over USC."
Don - you got directions to that universe. Cause it sounds cool as hell.
Bill Martin or Mary Sue Coleman are the only two who can make the officially official announcement.
Yeah... ESPN just changed their story. He is to announce staying at LSU. Damn, it's a good thing they aren't reporting poll results from the 08' elections. Hillary would win by coffeehouse proxy.
ESPN.com just changed their front page story to Miles staying at LSU. Check it out.
^Please let that announcement be that they're resiging.
If we needed any more evidence that ESPN is a joke...
Damn, the news seems to be more accurate on the blogs.
That was a joke.
On Espn.com the headline states Mile will saty but the story reads he's going to UM...weird
Yeah... I read that too... they just didn't want to have their main page spew. Well, accuracy has to matter for something. Blogging seems to be the better source for news that is more accurate this time through.
ESPN.com just fixed the story. It now links the the article about Miles leaving.
er..I mean it links to the story about Miles staying. Sorry.
This is playing out just like RichRod last year, except RichRod is staying where he had some loyalties, and Miles is snubbing his dream job.
Yeah...because blogs are WAY more accurate...
Remember when Bo told Pitino Michigan was a football school?
You guys area a bunch of dopes. You just cut your own throat in getting the best coach in the country. Enjoy loosing to Appalachian State in the future you suckers! You deserve to go down in flames.
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Bring on The Brian Kelly and Chuck Martin area at Michigan
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