wooooooooooo
Better, better . . . Maybe we can get Jai Eugene back.
Please, please, please let it be true.
Annnnnd we're off...
Mark Mangino fat jokes are always funny.
I don't know whether or not to pack my flip-flops, mickey-mouse ears, or my cowboy boots, or get a $10 ticket to Ford Field yet. And i'm trying to track airplanes in flight like i'm a freakin' air traffic controller.
Tower, this is Les Rider, requesting a flyby.
That's a negative Les Rider, the pattern is full.
That Les Miles is a silly bitch...(spills coffee on myself)
hahah I love seeing the still shots of the flightaware flight tracker.
Good update Brian! Thanks!
Forget bringing Jai Eugene, bring us Ryan Perrilloux. Just don't let him know about the casinos in Detroit.
Here's how I see it playing out. I think it's clear that Lloyd, Martin, and MSC all have serious reservations about Miles. That's why I think they pursued Ferentz. But I think they also know that Miles has a lot of support among donors, insiders, and fans. So I think they'll give Miles a low ball offer. In the meantime, they start negotiating with a 3rd candidate (hopefully Kelly, but definitely not English or Debord). Martin's goal would be to cover his bases by offering Miles but lowballing him to lower his chances of accepting. But then I think this will backfire when Miles rejects the offer, negotiations with the 3rd candidate fall through, and Martin is forced to up the offer to Miles, who then accepts.
I don't think Martin had any problem paying Beilein all that money because he was absolutely convinced that he was perfect for the bball job. I don't see Martin getting into a bidding war for Miles unless all other attractive possibilities fall through. I don't think Martin thinks highly enough of Miles to do so.
And since Brian touched on it in his update I have to say...While I thank Lloyd for his dedication to UofM Football I think his opinion on who should be the next coach should not have any stake in the decision. He decided to retire it's then not his responsibility to decide who the next head coach is. That's not how it works. Take your cubicle in the AD office coloring charts of the new stadium renovations and keep your mouth shut Lloyd. Thanks!
Lloyd is the Assistant AD... I do think he should have SOME say. But I agree in general, goblue... he's too close to the situation-- that is, he's not yet far enough removed from the coaching world to put on his AD cap and make an objective call here.
Maybe the DC plane was filled with 10 gallon drums of ranch dressing to bring up north for Charlie Weis?
Carter zing was funny...
Seriously though, I don't think Brian "got taken for a ride" or anything. Certainly the "he's signed" and "he has an offer" rumors were not true. But the statements made by Ferentz are carefully worded and leave room for the idea that he WAS a candidate. He never denies this.
I'm sure he was discussed in the administration and was a serious candidate. Now, Carr is put in an interesting position. With Ferentz out, who does he back now? He won't back Miles, probably not Kelly either, so who is next?
I think we need a Mark Mangino fat jokes thread.
the Freep is drumming up some more support for Tedford over Miles today...
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...TS06&
theme=CARR
The Wolverine didn't school anybody. They were a good 12 hours late.
Does it concern anyone else that Brian just continues linking to other blogs and message boards? These are not credible sources! Whatever inside sources you had in the Carr retirement story sure seem to have dried up.
Weiss jokes always funny!
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...085/1054/
SPORTS
They had me until they said it was FLSA exempt. DEMAND THE OT!
THWard
Did I miss the memo that Carr was given the Assistant AD job or is it just implied? Not to sound stupid..
It does not bother me that Brian links to other boards. This is about RUMORS, not news. It's always interesting to see what other people -- knowledgeable more than crackpots, but they can be fun, too -- are saying.
No, the links don't concern me. I don't have the time or the desire to comb through dozens of blogs and boards looking for this stuff, so I'm extremely happy Brian filters out the good stuff and links it.
Am I the only one who heard Miles' asinine "undefeated in regulation" quote and thought "well that should be the final nail in his candidacy coffin"?
why is Les Miles the #1 candidate. Brian Kelly can coach circles around him. Les is an idiot. Always has been.
Gary Moeller was undefeated one year too. He had 3 ties of course.
Hey, well, they are undefeated in regulation.
Evidence plz that Kelly is a better coach, other than he runs a gee-willickers Batman look at that! offense?
Since I'm sure you weren't around the first 12 times this discussion came up, I'll reiterate that I do like Kelly, I just don't see where people are getting such huge boners for him over anyone else.
"Rivals is usually pretty circumspect, so the stridency of that post should be taken as a sign of extreme confidence in the information."
Kind of like this site. :)
The Ferentz interest was to placate Carr and done out of respect for him. I would bet my left nut on it. It was more politics than anything else as Martin wanted Carr to feel like they gave "his guy" a shot, knowing it would be a longshot.
Mom always said my third testicle would come in handy one day, but let's hope this is not the day or the issue to which it is sacrificed.
@so bored,
no, you're not...see comments sections from last 3-4 posts. Or not. They're kinda long. The gist of it is that yes, they're idiotic comments, but he's gotta find some way to motivate his team this weekend. I don't care, I still want him to bring some excitement to the program.
oogoblueoo,
in the retirement press conf. bill martin said lloyd would stay on as Assistant AD.... so not implied.
Dex-
Don't say boner in your post..Some people might get upset lol. But I agree...what is so special about Kelly. Up until the coaching search began I had never even heard of him.
Rivals also mentions Wake Forest coach Jim? Grobe as a real possibility.
Even more bored
Thanks. I turned off the press conference after Lloyd was done so I really had no idea.
Keep in mind, a lot of people probably had never heard of Tressel before OSUs coaching search. A lot of Div-IIa coaches aren't going to have the word of mouth Ia coaches will (except maybe, ahem, App State)...
"The Wolverine didn't school anybody. They were a good 12 hours late."
I think this is correct.
Kelly is a winner. He has done it everywhere he went so far. But Miles isn't a loser either, and I don't see how the recruiting is going to be different with either of them.
Of course, I'm also a strident believer that 10-2 in the SEC is 12-0 in the Big 10.
"I'm too full of myself to be in over my head."
--Brian Kelly
Haha, Carter is a woman. Bush is a manly man that knows if you're going to lose a war, you should lose it big.
DP-
At this point everyone is going to be a possibility. I wish this was over with already. I'm sick of sitting around wondering lol.
typo: make that 1-AA in my last post...
if this search goes on much more, I'll probably get fired for extended lack of productivity
Dex-
Not sure if you are joking or not, but I agree. If he can go 10-2 in the SEC imagine what he can do in the Big 10. I'm biased though so no one listens to my defenses of Miles anymore lol.
every candidate has flaws but i don't see how it could be anyone BUT Les Miles...
He says some stupid things for sure, but realistically, who are we looking at if we don't get Miles?
Who besides Les has the qualifications, the experience, and the ties to Michigan to be head coach for the next 10-15 years?
most boredest - same here!
"Fanblogs sites a premium message"
You mean "cites". Sorry to be a stickler for proper English, but to date your lexicon has been impeccably precise.
HOORAY for the news!
Are freeps/scouts/rivals serious when they mention Stoops as a candidate?? Is it common knowledge that MArtin has Stoops in the "potential candidate list"??
@ Even more Bored
Agreed. I think logically he is the best option...we'll see what Martin thinks. That school has already made it sort of clear they don't give a shit what we want, they just want our money lol.
I'm not joking. Certainly the SEC isn't the be-all, end-all of college football like ESPN would have us believe, but I think from the standpoint of Michigan and Ohio State, there isn't a whole lot standing in the way of 12-0 any given year. Sure, there might be an x-factor program like Illinois this year and of course there will always be The Game and any relevant non-con scheduling. But the SEC is a grind. It seems they always have a lot of very equal teams, and a lot of tough road games. So yeah, basically I think a good team has a better shot at 12-0 up here than down there.
Dex-
I agree I was just making sure. Never know when someone is being sarcastic online or not lol. The SEC is definitely a very difficult conference to play in compared to the Big 10. I have been trying to say that for awhile now that if he can win pretty big there imagine what he could do in the Big 10 which is basically a joke of a conference IMO.
Dex, I think the Kelly supporters (like myself) are excited about the high reward (albeit with high risk) possibilities. The proof of Kelly's coaching - all the GV championships, the MAC championship at CMU, the fact that he's got Cincy on the verge of a 10 win season.
In my opinion, Kelly is the only one of the realistic candidates who I can imagine taking Michigan beyond where we've been the last 35 years. Miles is a good coach and I think he'll consistently have us at the late 80's/early 90's/late 90's level. But I don't think he's a good enough gameday coach to have us going on a USC type run. While Kelly may not do that either, I think he's got more of a chance of doing that than Miles.
What's so special about Kelly? HE WINS EVERYWHERE HE COACHES - whether fixing up DeBord's mess at CMU, which he did incredibly quickly, winning more games in one season at Cincinnati than Dantonio ever did or winning two DII NCs at GVSU - BRIAN KELLY CAN FLAT OUT COACH AND WINS A LOT OF GAMES and that's why Michigan should hire him!
late 90's-level (particularly 97) would be fine with me
I think Les is kind of a meathead as it seems he's always a step or two late on the sidelines...
BUT... he's like that kid in school who didn't do shit but was friends with enough people to charm and cheat his way to good grades.
I don't know how he'll do at Michigan but I just can't fathom anyone else being coach.
Brian Kelly? Missouri's coach? Jeff Tedford? Just can't picture them with a gray Michigan sweater on pacing the sidelines in the fall.
I agree, he (Kelly) does have a high upside. But the Kelly Mafia that has anointed him a guaranteed savior is a little much.
I am afraid Les will be going to Michigan. I have very litte hope he stays if offered.
If that happens Michigan will be getting a fine coach. I have never been as proud of a LSU team in my life. All year long the focus is on the team. No selfish players. No one wants to hog the spotlight. Every time one of those players spoke to the media I was proud they were representing my state and my school. That is a direct result of the ethos that Les Miles instilled in Baton Rouge
JH
Louisiana
Agree with the guy that said the longer this drags out, the more problems you'll have with work. I had a crapload of time to make up last night.
00goblue-- besides Martin's comment at Lloyd's presser, it was written into Carr's contract that he had the option, upon retirment, to become an Associate AD, I believe.
JH
that makes me excited! that's the michigan way, the team the team the team.
Thanks JH - that's what I wanted to hear - sounds Bo-ish to me.
JH-
That is good to hear and quite frankly I will be glad to take him as our new head coach here! With this past season some of the players seemed to have issues with each other and it makes me feel better hearing that Miles was able to keep his players pretty humble!
ATLBlue,
i'm in ATL too. Whereabouts?
@ Dex - we don't need a savior, we need a good coach who can take Michigan back up to the elite level. Kelly can do it. Miles maybe can do it, but I agree with the poster who thinks Miles is a bit of a meathead. The guy just doesn't strike me as somebody who's going to make the calls that win games. Kelly will. Tedford probably will - read the Rosenberg article in the Free Press today. Look what he's created at Cal - a program that had been godawful the last several decades. Those are the guys we need - they can coach. Miles? I don't think he's got "it."
I think Kelly would really help the football program tremendously. I have heard and read some things from former players and they had nothing but praise for the guy.
DC Wolv,
No it does not concern me that Brian links or discusses other sources - he is a fan not just a "journalist" and he cannot be first to report everthing. I like that he reports no only his direct contacts but also things that he reads. It's helpful.
And it's pretty easy to criticize but IMO Brian's initial report was still pretty accurate. Yes, maybe Brian's source misled him that KF was ACTUALLY OFFERED the job but it seems pretty clear to me that discussions occurred that indicated KF was the #1 choice. Isn't it quite possible that things were heading towards KF as coach but then fell apart (and hence the necessity of forming the committee)?
And I don't doubt that sources can become unavailable, backtrack or shy of disclosing anything further as things change.
tremendous lol
I thought Jim Harbaugh came in here for a minute.
@HH
I know M doesn't need a savior. And I'm not even against a Kelly hire. But the hysteria some are reaching when talking about him is counter-productive. A rational discussion of the pros and cons regarding Miles and Kelly is interesting. ALL CAPS DECLARATIONS that Kelly will turn M into USC and win 60 games in a row and add 25,000 seats to the stadium and reattach the knee of Antonio Bass and resurrect Bo is ridiculous.
even more - work downtown next to centennial park, live in va-hi
Not necessarily singling any single Kelly supporter out, either, just that it seems this discussion has been very pitched lately and most people keep defaulting to Kelly is !!!! and Les is a moron or Kelly is a thug!!! and Les is a Saint!
Pinkel, now @ Missouri came from Toledo, so he knows the area. Tedford (Cal), Peterson (Boise St.)and Kelly (Cincy) should all be part of the interview process, IMO.
Has anyone heard more about Gruden? He was mentioned last week as a dark horse for the job. I do know that he has a Michigan clause in his contract at Tampa Bay, much like Miles' clause in his contract. He has also mentioned in the past that he would love to one day be a head coach at the collegiate level, but then again he also shot down the question last week. Anyone hear anything else?
I'm not sure if I can picture Chucky pacing the sidelines in a visor...
I agree about Miles...his enthusiasm for Michigan is definitely appealing, but some playcalling and undisputable clock mis-management should make anyone a bit nervous...
Where did you hear he (Gruden) has a Michigan clause in his TB contract?
ugh the clock crap...sorry it's getting old. Like it's never happened to other coaches. Including Lloyd Carr.
Craig,
you're right, it does make me nervous, but excited nervous, not 'oh man, we're just going to give this one up again, aren't we - I'm sick to my stomach' nervous
isn't the whole point to take this program in a different direction from Carr? I have 4 games this year alone that tell me so.
Dez,
Not sure where I heard it, but it was last week sometime (not convincing, I know). Anyone wanna help me out on this one?
7 weeks ago everyone was saying Les Miles *is* a move away from the direction of Carr. Hell, plenty of people are still saying it.
I don't know that "building a program out of nothing" should necessarily be at the top of a Michigan candidate's resume.
In all actuality, he'll never need to do that. He'll always have an 8-4 baseline based upon talent. The "building" that is needed is from "good" to "elite." And Tedford, in an albeit small sample size, failed at that task this year.
I'm not against Tedford or Kelly, but I think we need to focus upon the needs for Michigan's program.
Jeff Tedford is NOT making calls that wins games! Where is that information coming from?
true, I'm not disputing that he would be...just refuting the logic from the previous poster...
The other thing too about Kelly is that his past D-II championships prove he knows how to win the really, really important games. Not to knock him, because I do think he's a good coach, but has Miles actually won a huge game? Winning the SEC championship game won't count because it's about the same as this year's Michigan-OSU game, which was hardly a huge game. The huge game was against Arkansas and they lost. My point is that there is a fine line between being a Top 10 coach and a championship level coach. Guys like Carroll, Stoops, Tressel, and Meyer are championship level coaches whose teams always seem to be in the hunt for the national title. Miles strikes me as on the Lloyd Carr, Mack Brown level, where he consistently coaches well but it takes a fluke or a once in a lifetime player (Woodson or Young) to win a championship, and otherwise they revert to 2 and 3 loss seasons. Because he has won at a high level everywhere, I think Kelly is the only candidate who has the potential to be on that Stoops, Carroll, Tressel, Meyer level.
ATL,
I work downtown, in the Marriott towers.
I just moved to ATL couple months ago, you been to that Michigan bar 285 the Line? Nice place to watch a game, especially when it's on the goddamn Big 10 network
Miles would be a change for Michigan football...at least he would go for it on 4th down...or when we finally do change up our offensive scheme and do a trick play we won't be cited with an illegal shift or formation penalty...
Another candidate no one is talking about, Mike Trgovac, former Wolverine and Carolina Panther's Defensive Coordinator...
I can see Martin hiring someone that everyone will say "Who?" much like Ohio State did with Tressel.
I want to see the flight-tracker head to Berkeley.
P.S: Why not just fly direct to Baton Rouge? Surely theres a runway in the state capital?
no, I haven't been up there, I've found enough UM fans to have people over to my place for games or go to a bar with in my neighborhood because 285 is a bit of a hike
I think trying to suss out the difference in coaching between a NC title team and a 1 or 2 loss season is a little suspect. Carroll had Bush and Leinart for his title runs- they aren't once in a lifetime players? Have they won a title without them? Meyer had a great season last year, no doubt. Stoops had a once in a lifetimer with AD and didn't win it. Tressel had Mo Clarrett in 02.
Brian - I guess this means more Profiles in Heroism are in order. At least ones for Schiano and Kelly.
My "Jimmy Clausen almost eaten by Charlie Weis" line on Wiki for Ryan Mallett last night has been edited by none other than a Michigan fan! What wikiethics and wikimorals! Dang, too bad...
Les Miles and Brian Kelly are both good choices for different reasons. I don't think many Michigan fans would be upset if either of these guys got the job.
Nice new rumors about Ferentz. Keep up the good work Brian.
00goblue00
I've seen Lloyd go for it a lot more in the last two years. What irks me the most is when we line up in shotgun on 3rd and 3, 3rd and 2.
We NEVER convert those short 3rd and 3's because we THROW the freakin ball.. Ugh, that severly pissed me off this year.
Before this process started, Bill Martin was being hailed as one of the most competent ADs that M has had. His handling of the Beilein hire and even his work behind the scenes on the stadium construction merited high praise.
He's made a handful of public comments about the coaching search thus far, and those comments have been extrapolated exponentially to the point where Martin's competency is now being questioned.
This is his biggest test, no doubt. The football program is the crown jewel of Michigan collegiate sports. I, for one, am glad that someone with Martin's track record is the one conducting the search. He's done nothing yet to convince me that he's apt to blow this one. I think the hysteria created by recent history against OSU and bowl games has us thinking that we're doomed to failure.
Is Rich Rodriguez completely out of the picture? Of course, if WVU makes the BCS title game, that would complicate things.
Why is Michigan so focused on getting a "big name"?
If Les Miles wasn't from Michigan, would any of you be asking for him to come?
Seriously...think about this!
Who are considered the best x/o coach in America...I love Les but I'm sorry...he's not on the list!
I talked with him at the LSU vs USC game this year and have watched every LSU game. He's a great guy and a decent coach. Sound a lot like the guy that just left!
Again, for get the Michigan ties...who are the best coaches in America?
I would take BRIAN KELLY in a second...the is a flat out x/o coach...exactly what we didn't have in Lloyd.
Please, take the MAZE and Blue glass' off and look at who the best X/0 coach is.
Brian Kelly is your man...Sexy as miles? No, but a darn good coach!
It seemed to work for tosu...
Brian Kelly
Brian Kelly
Get used to hearing this name...I just hope it's because he's helping Michigan!
...
The GVSU mafia strikes again.
P.S: Why not just fly direct to Baton Rouge? Surely theres a runway in the state capital?
The Baton Rouge airport is a tiny piece of crap. It's seriously one of the lousiest airports I've been in, and I've been in African airports.
Hey...I have nothing to do with GVSU...I live in Mississippi!
It won't be Mike Trgovac because Martin specifically said head coaching experience is a must. This requirement was also confirmed in English's comments where he mentioned the biggest strike against him is his lack of head coaching experience.
Even more bored-
So he went for it 4 times instead of 2 this year lol. I'm kidding. But seriously, I know what you're saying about the pass on a 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 2. That alone would be a nice change to the offense.
i liked the back & forth Brian & M&B Dave had in the spring re: Basketball. lots of evidence and arguements for/against. it's pretty clear that this process will go faster and that miles is the A-#1 guy...but a true Miles V Kelley cage-match would be great.
I'm just messing with you, Jeremy. No offense.
Could we get Brian to do a profile in heroism of Kelly?
I would love to hear his take
Lmao at Les Miles impending doom. You know something up when Osu fans WANT this guy to be your next head coach. He screams of "Cooper tactics 101" all over again but for one state up north. Let his shitty grin, 2 x head size trucker hat wearing undefeated before overtime ass come...
PT, I can I disagree with you
First the SEC game is not like Michigan/OSU game. For any SEC team to get to that game is a very tough achievement. I mean it does not happen just every year :)
It seems that Coach Miles has been expected to do a lot in three years. In his first year because of Katrina we had to reschedule and we did not even have a bye week. We were out of gas when we got to Atlanta and I can't figure out how we lasted that long.
Last year we were just a couple of yards and/or some very very controversail officating from going the the SEC game and perhaps the National Championship.
THis year was very close. But we got this far with a QB that for practical purposes is a first year starter and with a huge amount of injuries.
One thing Michigan fans will have to get used to is Miles release of information. He is very guarded. Especially about injuries. Last year to hide one he took a enormous amount of public criiticism because he was not playing a certain player. He did that for the team because he did not want that getting out there. I think we are now just getting clues how badly hurt we have been this year.
In the end LSU under Miles has been in the hunt fo the National Title just as much as Stoops and Urban have. Stoops lost a must win game against Texas Tech? What is the difference? Urban lost a must win game against Auburn? WHats the difference? Carrol losts a couple of must wins games and the depth of team is beyond belief.
JH
Louisiana
How can you honestly say the wolverine scooped everybody unless they are the only site you're looking at.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/27...rtin/
index.html
can we just paint les miles black and kill two birds with one stone?
JH...I agree, LSU has been playing hurt for about 3/4 of the year...Why doesnt anyone talk about this?
Listen I like LES...But i'm ready for michigan to hire a smart x/o type of coach...
Les Miles learned how to not give out information from his time at Michigan.
Actual scene from a game:
Chad Henne walks off the field holding his elbow, wincing.
Halftime reporter: "Lloyd, is Chad going to be able to come back from that elbow injury?"
Lloyd: "Who said his elbow was injured?"
I fail to see how winning at GVSU, CMU and Cincy has anything to do with winning at Michigan. Tressel doesn't win at Tosu because he's some wizard like coach who has magical winning powers... he wins because he has a massive talent base in Cleveland that Ohio State hadn't previously tapped, and because Cooper already had the team at that level.
Cooper's inability to beat Michigan was real, it came in the game prep. He didn't get the rivalry, didn't prepare for the game like we did and he lost. Kelly is a similar outsider to the rivalry. He's not from Michigan or Ohio. Grand Rapids and Cincinnati are pretty much blind to Michigan and Ohio State, anyway. Tressel once coached at Ohio State in the Earle Bruce era, does Kelly have any ties like that?
Stop the Tressel comparisons.
I love how OSU fans think Miles coming here will be the impending doom for Michigan. Don't count him out yet if he comes. It will be settled next November..then maybe you all won't be laughing as hard.
?? guarded about injuries? that just doesn't happen at Michigan.
I'm not for or against Miles, but here are two things the concern me, and they both happened in overtime against Arkansas.
1) There was a mismatch when LSU was on defense, and LSU called a time out just before the ball was hiked. The replays show that Pelini was screaming his head off for a time out, while Miles was looking the other way, presumably thinking of taffy. All of the sudden, Miles saw a commotion, saw Pelini yelling for a time out, and started running toward the refs asking for a time out. Didn't even seem like he knew why he was asking for one.
2) 4th and 10, second over time, and you don't blitz?!? You sit back in a prevent defense?? Good Lord, apparently that is inbred in Michigan players.
"One thing Michigan fans will have to get used to is Miles release of information. He is very guarded. Especially about injuries. Last year to hide one he took a enormous amount of public criiticism because he was not playing a certain player. He did that for the team because he did not want that getting out there. I think we are now just getting clues how badly hurt we have been this year."
It is to laugh! In his next life Lloyd Carr will be a HIPAA confidentiality enforcer.
The LSU buddies I've spoken with can't stand Miles and view him as a carpetbagger who's winning with Saban's kids. Maybe not fair, but I doubt there is much of a "Let's keep Les" sentiment in Baton Rouge.
Dex, my point was that the truly elite coaches can win a championship without a fluke or without a once in a lifetime player at their peak.
Lloyd and Mack Brown won championships the year their once in a lifetime players - Woodson and Young - were at their peaks. Other than that, Brown has never seriously contended for a national championship and Carr only did so in 2006. Meanwhile, Tressel might play for his 3rd BCS title in 6 years (and has had his team close in 2003 and 2005), Carroll played for 3 straight titles (and one won when Leinart was a soph and Bush was a frosh when they were hardly at their peak), and Stoops played for 3 straight titles. If you want to say the jury's still out on Meyer, that's fine.
I agree that the difference between a national championship team and a 2 loss team is extremely small. But to me, that difference is usually gameday coaching. For example, that difference is sticking with Tom Brady the whole game against MSU and not taking the foot off the gas against Illinois in 1999. To me, I don't think Les Miles can make that small difference, and I fear we'll be in a constant state of 2 or 3 loss seasons. But I think Brian Kelly might be able to make that difference. I'm not anointing him the savior; I just think he has a better chance of getting us to that level than Les Miles does.
@formerlyanonymous-
Isn't that why we interviewed Ron English?
"Grand Rapids and Cincinnati are pretty much blind to Michigan and Ohio State"
Are you kidding me!
So Michigan's 2nd largest and most modern City doesn't understand whats going on in the M VS OSU game?
You do know that Michigan is more than AA right?
One thing that confuses me with comments about Coach X or Coach Y is the general objection that goes something like "no way, he sucks because:
- he once lost to (shitty/rival school); or
- he once made (shitty call during game); or
- he once had (shitty, criminal players).
This baffles me, because by now haven't we learned that undefeated national champ seasons are special and require a certain amount of luck (in playcalling, key turnovers, injuries, chemistry, etc.)? Haven't we learned that one-time things are just that...flukes that should be forgotten and discarded from our thinking? Shouldn't we be focusing on the general trends of Coach X and Coach Y (e.g. overall record versus shitty/rival schools, overall playcalling during tight/tough games, overall behavior of players and staff)?
For example, I'm a fan of Miles, but my eyes are open- he makes dumb calls sometimes, and he makes dumb comments sometimes. But that's going to happen with every coach, IMO- no coach makes the right call every time, and no coach wins against a rival/crap school every time. Losses happen to every school but one pretty much every year, and some years losses happen to every school (like, for instance, this year).
Overall Miles looks pretty good to me, as he would consistently win 10+ games a year, bring passion and aggression to staff and players, and would maintain Michigan's squeaky clean image. But he ain't perfect, and his dents and dings aren't dealkillers to me.
This also applies to Kelly, IMO. I can't follow the whole "his players are criminals" debate, but unless someone shows a pattern of discipline problems with Kelly, I don't think what happened one time with some bad apples should kill Kelly, nor should bad playcalling in one game kill Kelly's chances, either.
Conversely, the overall perspective hurts Ferentz and Grobe, for example. Sure, they've had their flashes of brilliance, but over time they've shown themselves to be not so great (or at least not good enough for Michigan). I'm open to looking closer at Grobe, and I'd be willing to suck it up with Ferentz, but right now, their overall picture looks very bleah.
Bad playcalls, bad players, bad comments happen. They happen to every single coach at one time or another. One-time incidents shouldn't be used against a coach, IMO.
JH, we wont have to get used to anything on injuries, have you heard a lloyd carr press conference?
The best and worst things about Miles came at the end of regulation. As Danielson pointed out, Miles completely botched the clock management. On the plus side, LSU ran two consecutive pressure-packed plays for touchdowns (the first was negated by a late time out). I'll also give Miles credit for winning with a below-par QB.
I'm in Grand Rapids. Who the hell, by the way, is this infamous "sweatervest"????
thank you CFaller Im with you that things that Miles has done happen to every coach...it's not just him, but people are going to be critical and find flaws because they may not want him. Granted most are petty flaws like I said if thats the worst you can find then please send him immediately up.
The article from The Wolverine states that Greg Schiano will not leave Rutgers. Apparently he just built a brand new mansion there, and it's on property that had been owned by the university and wasn't supposed to be developed.
They said he basically won't look anywhere else until the Penn State job comes open.
JH,
Good points. I agree that Miles has done very well under extremely tough circumstances. But the difference between Miles and Stoops, Tressel, Carroll, and Meyer is that those guys have all won national championships. They've won the big game. Sure, they've also lost some super important games. But they've won a few of those super important games. The kind that get you the national championship. Until Les does that, I think there is a difference between him and Stoops, Tressel and Carroll (acknowledging that the verdict is still out on Meyer).
Anonymous:
You can't credit Pellini with the first while bashing Miles for the second.
Also, on the 2nd play, I understand not blitzing. 4th and 10, they flushed the QB with a 3 man rush and had 8 deep on a short field. The blown coverage wasn't Les' fault or Pellini's fault. This isn't prevent defense, this is a smart move. Casey Dick is a terrible passer. He should have been forced to throw into double coverage. Prevent is terrible on a long field because it opens so much space. On a short field, a drop 8 zone with a solid 3man rush is very effective.
As for Les thinking about taffy, are you sure he wasn't just listening to his headset?
Jeremy,
90% of interest in college football is dictated by location and school spirit. Grand Rapids is not a hotbed of UM football, the hotbed is the Detroit area because it's closer. Something isn't local when it's about 4 hours + away. Grand Rapids is much more split between us and Sparty, isn't a college football place to begin with and is just too far away.
How can the program go from a coach who quotes poetry to this....
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadb...129961&
n8pe6c=2
Never going to happen.
So everyone is excited about a guy that currently has more talent then Michigan, and still can't win?
Confused...
Browsing through all of this, I occasionally wonder what I did with my time before I stumbled across Brian's site last spring ... lol
I think Ferentz was the "clone" that Martin referred to. It was the utterly safe choice (neither exciting or depressing), and thankfully it's past-tense now.
My preference remains Miles, who isn't being given nearly enough credit for what I think is a greatly overrated LSU roster. Does anyone really think there's a major NFL talent on this team other than Glenn Dorsey? Seriously, Matt Flynn is little better than a middling MAC quarterback (17 TDs to 10 INTs, 204 ypg), Jacob Hester is a nice player, but he's a long, long way from Hart, the wide receivers are balanced, but no Manningham. Doucet is the best of the lot, but he's been hurt. So the offense has succeeded (mostly) despite no great breakout player.
Defensively, Miles has done good enough coaching to make Ali Highsmith and Chevis Jackson prominent on NFL top 100 lists, but I would submit that several SEC teams are richer in talent (hi Urban) and have achieved less.
Irked by his OT rationalization? Heck, he's just sticking up for his players. It's part of the game these days, and if you were a little cheesed that Lloyd didn't fight back against Urban harder last year, then you can't blame Miles for his comments this week. At least the guy actually tries to answer questions put to him, rather than ignore, flat-out lie or otherwise obfusticate.
Kelly might be a great choice ... but what is his ultimate coaching goal? My guess is it's the NFL. Tedford might be good too, but the final drive debacle vs. Oregon State suggested his teams aren't quite as prepared as we would all like. Miles, on the other hand, WANTS to be like Bo (and Lloyd). As long as DeBord isn't allowed within 200 miles of next year's offense, I'm pretty confident Miles can infuse this team with the passion and swagger which just seemed to be missing in '07.
Just my two cents.
Get Tedford!
"Jon Gruden is interested in Michigan" is the brain-eating zombie that won't die. Time to empty another 12-gauge into its head:
From the Chicago Sun-Times, Oct 16, 2001:
A decision on the fate of Notre Dame coach Bob Davie could be two months away, but a short list of possible replacements already is making the rounds.
At or near the top of that list is Oakland Raiders coach Jon Gruden, which brought heightened attention to the Raiders' visit to Indianapolis on Sunday night. Instead of simply answering questions about his team's victory over the Colts, Gruden had to address the Notre Dame rumors.
"I'm interested in Notre Dame doing well," said Gruden, who attended high school in the South Bend area when his father, Jim, was an assistant on Dan Devine's staff from 1978 to '80. Those were great years for me. [But] everyone who knows me knows ... I'm pretty focused on the job I have."
Gruden doesn't hide his affection for the Irish, who play host to USC on Saturday (1:30 p.m., Ch. 5, 1000-AM). He hung around the team as much as possible and even used to drive around recruits.
"I feel comfortable in this state," he said. "It's like going back to the future, like one of those movies. Everybody who knows me knows I've always loved Indiana."
Gruden has said many times that being around the Irish in those formative years is what led him to get into coaching. Even now, when he is regarded as one of the best young coaches in the NFL, Notre Dame isn't far from his thoughts. When his named was mentioned last year for the Ohio State job, a California newspaper quoted Gruden saying that coaching the Irish was his "dream job."
Gruden also had this to say about Notre Dame in his diary on NFL.com last month: "To see that marching band walking across campus at 8 o'clock in the morning, to look up and see Touchdown Jesus and the Golden Dome, to feel Rockne's ghost, the best word I can use to describe it is chilling.' Every time I see Notre Dame on TV, it gives me goosebumps."
Yup, seems like a perfect Michigan man to me....
So because it's far away they don't understand the m rivalry...
Which means then that Brian Kelly coaching over here makes his less than adequate to get what it means to be at Michigan...Hummmm Great logic!
And Grand Rapids loves football...Ever Saturday you see people loading up their gear and heading out to msu and u of m...
Again...It's time people begin to understand that Grand Rapids is the future of Michigan
Agree with Daniel L on the Hogs 4th down play. You couldn't ask for more with a fairly crappy QB flushed out of the pocket by a 3 man rush. Playcalling was sound, execution was poor. There are better reasons to question Miles than that play.
Ryan,
Take a drive on westbound I-96 on a saturday morning in september-november. You might be close on the sparty/UM split, but you're gonna see plenty of wolverine traffic.
If LSU loses in the SEC championship and we manage not to lose in a bye week...is there a chance we play LSU in the capital or outback bowl? That would be one of the most anticipated games of the year.
Why on earth is everyone obsessed with Les Miles for coach? He's had 3 consecutive 2 loss seasons at LSU and before that had a very average big 12 team at oklahoma state...what about bob stoops? what about jeff tedford?
@mgobleu,
yea, but the complaining wont stop til more are black coaches are hired. i think we can all agree the english interview is a mere formality. the next question is do they interview any other black candidates?
its good to see football back on the comment threads.
@Stein:
So you wouldn't want Pete Carroll? Or Mack Brown? Or Urban Meyer? They all have more talent than Michigan and won't be playing in the NC this year. Sure they have won recently, but Miles hasn't had much time at LSU.
Tedford isn't going to leave Cal. He loves his job there and he loves living in the Bay Area.
Lehih
That might be the LSU fans you have talked too. Even though I have never heard the term "carpetbagger" used to describe him very often. As for Saban "players" I have found that funny. Perhaps the media says it. But the players to say the least have a different view. Saban might have got them out of High School. But the development of these players occured under Miles.
Again I know how this works and I know I have little chance of changing people's minds. In fact I hope Les stays. He has left a mark there at LSU that I think many will appreciated if he leaves.
If you want to know the biggest problem Les Miles has is his lack of EGO. For three years I have seen him go out of the way to shine the light off himself and upon his players, his staff, anyone but him. The result being that it is now used against him. In a perfect world that would be rewarded and recognized. In the real world it is not.So perhaps on the internet boards and talk radio where the nahoobs of negative thought reign Miles is not liked. But I can't help but notice that the average fan likes him a lot. More importantly the players want to play for him.
Anyway, I shall be happy if he stays. If Michigan does not take him then so be it.
JH
@traverse city badger
2 loss seasons are better than we have mustered the last 3 seasons (tied that number last year). He had an average team in the big12 because it was oklahoma state. its like coaching at michigan state in the big10. you dont have the highest caliber players. he did pull some massive upsets over the big 12's big 2 in his time.
+1,000 cocktails to cfaller96
We're digging into very tiny sample sizes here.
Is someone really basing their reasoning that Miles is a bad coach by what they perceived to be him not paying attention on the sideline while watching the game on TV?? Really? You think he wasn't paying attention because his head didn't happen to be fixated directly on the DC?
Kelly and Miles are both good choices. I'm going to leave it up to the people who spend all day researching this, and ultimately have the responsibility for the hire, to make the final decision. It isn't near as simple as some make it out to be.
Brian,
If the BK information has even a scintilla of merit it's very interesting.
With Ferentz out, if BK gets some serious talk you know it's coming from Lloyd. Les, while not safe in and of himself, is the safe hire for Martin to make an almost a no-brainer.
Which means none other than LC may be pushing someone else. And with BK's skeletons being a little open and obvious than Les', we may, by deduction, find out just how opposed to a Les hiring Lloyd actually is.
This is going to be fascinating.
I've heard that Stoops was sent informal feelers and said "no thanks."
Brian Kelly! Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, brian brian kelly kelly!
I sound like Mr. Burns in "Who shot Mr. Burns Part II" when all he could say is Homer Simpson.
No, not part of the GVSU mafia, I'm part of the "I want the best coach for my alma mater" mafia.
Stoops was one of the first people during monday night interviews following the lloyd retirement speech to say, "No." on national television. ESPN/sportscenter showed him and someone else who would be a top 5 coach (cant recall who it was)
I'm in Grand Rapids. The majority of MSU/UM fans here are like Josephine in accounting who wears a Michigan State shirt once in a while because her niece goes there.
Jeremy,
Distance absolutely is a factor. I'm sure he understands the rivalry just fine, as I'm sure someone from Alaska could. I'm saying he's never experienced it. He's never experienced the force of it. I'm saying that compares with Tressel who coached in it, who lived it growing up with an Tosu alum for a father. I'm saying he might have recruiting connections but are they really that great? They can't be better then the relationships Tressel had built in Cleveland that has led to Tosu dominating us in the area in a way they never have.
I'm just saying the comparisons to Tressel maybe over the top.
ok- but still- why miles? what makes him so extraordinary?
random thought while gorging on double corned beef & swiss on a bagle at my desk: if we do get Les, why don't we make a condition of his $1.25M buyout that LSU agrees to a home/home series with UM for the next 20 years or something? it would build some sort of "bridge" for him and for the two schools to create a friendly rivalry and keep it from being "we stole your coach, now f-off and die". it would be "michiganly", don't you think? or is this delusional. . . . .
ryan
grand rapids is 2 hours from ann arbor. it may not be a 'hotbed' for talent, but ann arbor isn't necessarily a 'hotbed' either. just because we are 2 hours from ann arbor doesn't mean we don't understand the rivarly LOL
@Formerly
Having ESPN stick a mic in your face and ask you about your interest in a job that may never even be offered to you is one thing. An actual expression of interest is another. To the reporter, Stoops cannot say "oh, boy! You bet I'm interested!" You love where you are until someone comes along and actually makes you a showing of interest.
I have heard that such a feeler was sent out to Stoops and he confirmed that he is staying put.
JeremyB,
That's always been my experience in Western Michigan, too. If people aren't alums then the schools are just too far away for them to really care. Cincinnati is similar, it's just the part of Ohio where football is "meh".
I really think this whole "understanding" the rivalry thing is a little overblown.
Cooper didn't fail simply because he didn't get it. He may not have gotten it at first, but come on, he didn't get the hint at some point in the decade he spent there? Not buying it.
I guess I just dont care if my next coach "feels the force of the rivalry" He will get it after the first game.
I'm looking for the best x/o coach in the country...not a savior, but a darn good coach..
AND to me that is Brian Kelly
Feeling the Rivarly=Overrated
winning the rivarly=underrated
Jeremy,
Fair enough, but I'm saying I don't want Cooper. I want Tressel and if you look at it pound for pound, Miles is more like Tressel then Kelly is (in a good way)
I would by no means be disappointed if Brian Kelly was hired (I went to GVSU, beginning in his last season). However, Les should be our guy. I understand the argument for a great X's and O's guy, but that isn't the most important thing. John L was an X's and O's guy, Bill Callahan X's and O's, Weis X's and O's. CFB is about recruiting, motivating, and then X's and O's. You can be a great coach when it comes to gameplanning, but you need the players to implement that. Meyer and Rodriguez are good examples of guys who can do both.
Can Kelly be one of those guys? Sure. He has recruited fairly well so far, but is unproven. Miles is a proven motivator and the perfect guy to keep the "rah, rah, we're Michigan" recruiting going. X's and O's are important and Kelly is exceptional when it comes to that, but I'd take a proven motivator, recruiter, and winner at a big program before that, as we have seen how those types of coaches have translated lately.
I think we are looking at Miles or Kelly. Either way it's a win - win for Michigan. If Kelly doesn't get the Michigan job look for him to get one of the other high profile jobs. Like GT or Arkansas. Kelly will land on his feet. Should be at MSU. (thank goodness he isn't)
i want a coach whose success is based on his gameplanning and preparation, etc.....not based on the talent level of the players. suggestions?
I still don't understand how someone can say "Brian Kelly is UNPROVEN."
I agree...I'll be happy with Les or Brian
GoBlue
Gruden feels a ghost
Is that Rockne? How chilling...
In a gross, erotic way.
lol now this is a Les Brian showdown since Ferentz is out of the picture. This would just be easier if they would announce it already. Everyone is making the same points on why each should or should not be hired. Doesn't Bill realize he is about to give us all coronaries or unemployment slips if this isn't finished soon lol
PT said:
For example, that difference is sticking with Tom Brady the whole game against MSU and not taking the foot off the gas against Illinois in 1999. To me, I don't think Les Miles can make that small difference, and I fear we'll be in a constant state of 2 or 3 loss seasons. But I think Brian Kelly might be able to make that difference.
PT hit a hot button with me right there. I'm still bitter about the management of Henson and Brady that year (i.e. why was Lloyd so desperate to appease a f--king SOPHOMORE?), and the loss to Sparty due to Henson turnovers (and despite a late Brady rally) still gets my blood boiling.
So, without getting into whether Les Miles can "get over the hump," what evidence is out there that Kelly can do it? He went undefeated once, yes, but so did Lloyd Carr. And his overall record is a very Lloyd-like .723. Since the undefeated season, Kelly is only .683.
I'm not bashing Kelly (I kind of like him), but I guess I don't know where this "Kelly is soooooo much better than Miles" talk is coming from. In terms of "getting over the hump" or "winning big games," Miles and Kelly look equally attractive to me (even if they have different styles).
Maybe I just need to learn more about Kelly. Brian, where's our Profile in Heroism on Kelly? Waaaaaah!
Ok, I'm done whining...
Ryan,
I have to disagree with your assessment of W. Michigan and UM football. I grew up there and did not go to UM. I have many friends who went to UM and many UM fans as friends who did not. In our case, many of my friends who went to UM call me or a couple of my other friends who did not go to UM for info on games, coaching search, etc. I have no doubt that many people in West Michigan have similar experiences.
Goblue00,
This is why our economy is so BAD. Lack of productivity due to coaching searches.
you didn't get fired yet? Damn whats your secret? lol
^and yes, I was so giddy to make fun of Gruden "feeling Rockne" I didn't count syllables. I wish WolvinVA was here to tell me that it's OK, that it doesn't matter how many syllables there are.
I'm still tired of the "Why Miles? I don't get it" posts. The SEC is stacked. 2-3 teams have as much or more "talent" as LSU. Miles is on his 3rd 10 win season and has absolutely blown the doors off of every out of conference team he's played. Wouldn't mind seeing that in the Big 10.
Do any of you actually think that a Kelly hire would be anything BUT him using the job as a stepping stone to the NFL or another college? Come on, get real...if he takes UM, he'll have switched to 3 schools in 3 years...the guy's a gypsy nomad who'll give us a few good ones and then bolt.
UM is a destination job for Miles and it's his passion. I'll take that anyday over a gypsy nomad.
I dreamed this last night after I consumed a Mangino sandwich.
Why not get CWebb to pay a visit to
Les'Regulation'Miles? Just a thought.
@hellohello:
Big Kelly fan here, and I think that any coach with only three seasons of DI experience is unproven. Yes, he has done well, extremely well, in those years, but it's still three years.
maizblu,
Part of my original post on Kelly before it got taken off on the Grand Rapids thing, was how he has no ties to the area or the school. He's said before his dream job is Boston College. He'd leave in a heartbeat if an East Coast NFL team called.
Right you are, Ryan.
@ hello hello-
no kidding!!
@ Maiznblu
Agreed. If you guys want someone to be here for 10 years I think Miles is the guy. We all know this has been his dream job and since he is 54 you can safely bet that he would retire here as opposed to leave for the NFL. (honestly I don't see the fascination with the NFL IMO it is boring. College Football is where it's at!)
Right you are, 00goblue00.
How sad would it be if Michigan's head coach bolted for Boston College?
Speaking of BC coaches, I Angelique mentioned that Tom O'Brien was asked by a beat writer about the Michigan job. He said he has no interest and hasn't been contacted. Um. No shit you haven't been contacted. Neither has Chan Gailey or any other shitty coach I can think of.
@ThWard
lol to the shitty coach comment. And for the haikus who cares if the line symmetry is right or not, they are all still funny :)
Regardless whether it's Miles or Kelly or some other meathead, if all the new coach does is bring our S&C up to a 21st century-level of competitiveness with the rest of the football world, we'll be improved right off.
I don't see those changes being made with a hire from the current staff.
If we hire Kelly, Cincy could go after Mangino by sending him boatloads of nasty, nasty chilli.
No word about my guy Paul Johnson???
I think he would be perfect for Mich. Owned Tressel on the way to D2 National Championships, turned Navy around. Tactical genius who has varied his game to suit the differnt colleges demands. Don't know much about his style, but I don't think Navy is hiring a soft undisciplined guy.
Why Miles?
- 6 losses over three seasons in probably the most difficult conference in the country during that time.
- Two losses this year were in 3 OTs against teams featuring probably the top 2 picks in the NFL draft
- Excellent recruiting classes
- Hires good coordinators
- Loves Michigan and Bo
- Not overly conservative
Why not Miles?
- Clock management issues
- Verbal diahareah (sp? I'm not looking it up) issues
- Personality conflict with Lloyd/supposedly negatively recruited against UM
- Recruting success may be geography based
- Hasn't won a conference title (may change soon)
What doesn't matter?
- Saban's players (Do people complaint that Tressel won with Cooper's players of Meyer won with Zook's players?)
- The buyout
- "Loose Morals" There's no evidence his players get into any more trouble than Michigan's.
- Love of taffy
- In Miles' case, strict X's and O's. He's not like Kelly calling the plays. He hires the coordinators that mesh with his philosophy and lets them handle it. Same as Lloyd and many other coaches.
This was a good exercise in my own understanding of why I like/don't like Miles.
forget about the haikus, I think limericks are more appropriate in this situation. Are there any available coaches in Nantucket?
Wow. Lot of typos in there. Sorry.
Don,
I think English would surprise people and reshape the program in his image.
Mike,
Doesn't he run the option? Maybe I could see it at Nebraska, not here.
MRG-
His love of taffy right there just sealed the deal lol.
I've heard that Stoops was sent informal feelers and said "no thanks."
If true, then bummer. I was kind of holding out hope for that kind of a miracle hire. Eh, well, there are other good coaches out there...
cfaller96, two national championships in a playoff system where each game is more intense and against better competition than the last is proof enough to me that Kelly might have what it takes to get us over the hump. I realize it's a small sample but it says a lot to me.
First of all, the NFL rules.
Second, is MGoBlueJacksonPrison from Jackson? Just wondering, since I am.
Third, Les Miles is a better dresser than Brian Kelly, so he gets my vote.
man, people really like D-II football around here don't they?
I would love Miles to come home to us. I saw his presser where he talked up some crazy shit about being unbeaten in regulation and he went into a flowery explanation of "length and width" of the field. Gotta say that I loved him even more after that whacked out explanation...the guy loves what he does and it's a miraqcle that he and his balls fit in the same room.
I want UM coached by a guy like that...a guy who'll have trouble fitting in the same room with his balls.
The NFL sucks. It's just a way to beam commercials straight into your head.
maizenblu
LOL gotta agree with you there :) big balls = big things which means good for Michigan football program
It's a spread option which he is sort of forced into because he is at Navy. He scores 50 a game with marginal talent. I thought that is what everyone wanted to be like Florida. By the way I think it worked pretty well here with guys named Franklin, Leach and Taylor. He has said he would like to be more balanced but you do what you have to with the talent you have.
Does anyone else miss the days when Bo turned down the New York Jets because the situation was terrible and then broke down in tears over the TAMU offer? I don't think you'll get that with Kelly, you probably will with Les.
First, this getting the rivalry thing is ridiculous. All teams have rivalries maybe they aren’t as hot as OSU/M but I imagine everyone gets the idea. If the new coach doesn’t he will about 1 minute after he loses the first time to OSU. Cooper sucked and not because he didn’t get the rivalry (because I imagine he focused on it way too much.)
Second, I would prefer less Tressel worship. He’s a good coach but Michigan should not try to clone him or in anyway accept the idea that we are copying or following OSU. The Michigan fanbase appears to be teetering on the edge of accepting being inferior to OSU and that is unacceptable.
I want a coach who has new ideas. I want a coach who brings in new people rather than mining the same moribund coaching system (good people leave bad ones stay eventually you’ve got mostly bad ones.) I want a coach who can recognize when things are wrong and need to be changed instead of rededicating himself to doing wrong things better. I want a coach who recognizes that executing well is important but so is not being predictable and doing new things puts pressure on your opponent. I never want to hear our opponent say, “we knew what was coming” and I’m tired of hearing our coaches and players say, “we were surprised.” I want a coach who does things his own way and makes people say, “we should do things that way.”
Kirk Ferentz is none of those things. Les Miles may be. Brian Kelly at the very least has new ideas and a history of winning. I don’t want to be a coaching carousel but if the next coach stays 5-10 years and wins I can live with. No one is leaving M for another college job. If it’s the NFL then so be it. He’d have to win to do that and M could make him very comfortable.
Bowl talk anyone? Rivals has a source that says Michigan is likely (75% chance) of going to the Cap. One Bowl after Wiscy has been invited to the Outback Bowl. I believe this assumes OSU to NC and Ill to Rose.
Ill will probably go to the BCS without OSU getting to the NC game.
\While I thank Lloyd for his dedication to UofM Football I think his opinion on who should be the next coach should not have any stake in the decision.//
I agree...his influence has been felt on the football field for long enough, and it's going to take some time to recover from that. As far as his judgement goes, well...he did decide to come back this year and help guide a Top 5 BCS team from 2006 to the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl or whatever the hell in 2007 while cementing a losing record for himself against OSU. If the Israelis had guidance from leadership of that quality they'd've been pushed into the sea 40 years ago.
Ill in the BCS...so lame. Hope they win anyway just to help out the Big 10's image.
The NFL features week in, week out, the most talented football players in the world and the most advanced game planning/tactical positioning. I understand some prefer the college game for variety, but the NFL is far superior on the technical level. There is a reason so many games end 17-14, and it's because all the teams are very, very good and most are very, very equal.
And your delusional if you think the NFL is somehow more commercial than the BCS on FOX presented by Tostitos in association with Citi brought to you by Capital One
imafreak, nice "I have a dream" speech.
Let's face it - this is a one horse race now. Most agree Kelly is damaged goods and won't get a serious shot. It's Les, people, unless there is an October Surprise..
I think there should be a MANGINO BOWL where Mangino is carried on a golden throne by a crane while wearing a laurel wreath and toga. He could munch on a raw bison leg while screaming, "DANCE!" to the cheerleaders below.
I love Mangino...he's a winner...and from that shall spring the YaYa's Chicken MANGINO BOWL.
though he is having a terrible year in the pros, anybody think CAM CAMERON would be a decent pick as coach....very strong Michigan ties and proven track record.
Les Miles wouldn't let the Israelis be pushed into the sea and has stated publicly that his position is to broker a deal in the Middle East that all sides can live with.
Hey, there's a problem where I'm not seeing new posts. The most recent update for me is from last night.
Illinois in a BCS bowl does make me cringe...and I'm not sure how we would deal with Florida.
If OSU ends up in the BCS game look for the Rose Bowl to go unconventional RE: the Big Ten/Pac Ten match-up. There are more appetizing at-large teams available than Illinois. As much as I dislike them, UGA would be a great pick.
The upside of hiring Mangino is that it's pretty much guaranteed he'll die on the sideline in about 5 years, so good or bad, it's not a long term commitment.
Johnny Sideburns
lol. agreed no kidding. Thanks for taking us from #5 to unranked. Way to go out with a thud instead of a bang.
No one can deny that the NFL boasts the cream of the college football crop, but that being said, some of the most boring football games I have ever watched in my life have been part of this NFL season (I must confess, 2 of them were Lions games...). Hands down more excitement in college football this year IMO.
We should build an altar to Mangino and make a sacrifice to his visage every 10 minutes.
mangino would demolish bo's record for most career heart attacks
"Again...It's time people begin to understand that Grand Rapids is the future of Michigan"
Hahaha.
PT, yeah ok, I understand the national championships are a big deal. That was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, though. Since then, Kelly has had to face stiffer competition, and as such his win-loss record has become a lot more pedestrian. So was that a flash of excellence like we saw with Ferentz (and Lloyd), or is there proof somewhere that Kelly can consistently deliver 10+ wins every year?
Look, I like Kelly, but my gut keeps telling me Miles is going to do great things here. And Stephen Colbert tells me that I have more nerve endings in my gut, so there's that. But seriously, I don't have any empirical evidence that says Miles will be better than Kelly, and at the same time I don't have any empirical evidence that says Kelly will be better than Miles.
My gut says 'Miles,' but my brain says 'who the hell knows?' I think I'd be happy with either one.
It's only boring if you don't know what you are looking for.
dex: I think that's why ND gave Weis a 10 year deal as well.
Also, the NFL is much more commercial than CFB. CFB has it's flaws, yeah, but to me the NFL is much worse.
You can keep your better players and 17-14 games. I'll take insane upsets, comebacks, 43 year streaks being ended with dive bombing Navy linebackers, 100,000+ fans, and the fact I know I'm 100 times more connected to my alma mater and the football team than I'll ever be to the NFL.
Is Kirk Ferentz like Nick Saban where if he says he's not a candidate he really is a candidate?
I'm casting with my lot with the Football Scoop guys, they seem to be a bastion of credibility.
The bowl games having corporate names should be ended by the NCAA, that's the only place where college football is more commercial then the NFL.
dex: I'm pretty sure the 3-0 MNF game the other day had nothing that anyone is looking for.
Yeah I never said college football sucked. If I thought that, I wouldn't be here. But due to a lower talent level, yes, crazier things do happen. It's more volatile. That's the fun part.
Have you considered that part of the Weis problem at ND is that you can't have college players spend 100 hours a week breaking down film and installing new packages every single week like you can in the NFL?
I get it Dan, you don't like the NFL. It doesn't change the fact the NFL is, on a talent and technical level, superior to the NCAA. To each his own for entertainment.
let's not forget the NY Giants in England...I'm getting sleepy just thinking about that one.
I think the major problem with Weiss is that he was not an offensive genius. The NFL is a marketing firm, they marketed Tom Brady so well that nobody realized that New England's defense was the real shit.
Jim...Scramble:
Good choice. Those guys have also predicted the last seven major earthquakes. They're pretty much Nostradamuses over there.
And that Weis wasn't the head coach. ND proclaiming him a genius doesn't make it so. I'll give us all one guess who the real genius is in NE.
Does UV think Mile's statements about OT losses < regulation losses are idiotic or are the writers who think the statements are idiotic the idiots?
I would rather have Ferentz than Les Miles, but I want neither. Brian Kelly is the answer.
00goblue00
Although I agree with you on the monumental dissappointment of this year, Lloyd didn't rank us 5th. Sports writers who ignored the fact that we lost 4 top 50 picks from our defense ranked us 5th. I think we all agree that if Mike Hart isn't hurt for the first 3 quarters vs. App State we will win. So injuries played a big part too.
With that being said, I'm still disgusted by the way our team played the last two weeks. To build our hopes up during the win streak and then crush them like that vs. a decimated Wisconsin team and in the biggest rivalry game in sports just hurts.
Hopefully we're healthy for the bowl game and can put more than 3 points on the board.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z...h?
v=zmAYpAzNB34
Little known fact- Mangino's post-game meal consisted of deep fried Raimond Pendleton slathered in Thousand Island dresssing.
Craig,
That game was boring for so many reasons. The least of which is that the publicity stunt failed; no British people ran out to buy NFL merchandise. The NCAA doesn't pull shit like that.
Dude, Miles' comments about OT were not idiotic at all. I loved them...he baffled the reporters with some cosmic bullshit that they're still trying to untangle. Screw the media, they deserve it.
Turns out the Brits look at football like we look at soccer, who would have ever seen that coming?
The SEC just issued a press release declaring LSU undefeated and even retroactively awarded them the BCS championship from LAST year. Looks like Miles got the last laugh.
FYI...you may not know this but I'll breat the news now:
The "Les" part of Les Miles is short for "MyginormousballscannotaccompanymewhereverIgounLES
sIcarryawheelbarrowwithme"
True Dex...My admittedly egocentric American "football is much better" attitude just wished that game would have helped our side out rather than hurt it...
Wisconsin just accepted an invitation to the Outback Bowl.
You can't comprehend Miles' statements within the length and width of this comment board, so don't even try.
Why on earth is everyone obsessed with Les Miles for coach? He's had 3 consecutive 2 loss seasons at LSU and before that had a very average big 12 team at oklahoma state...what about bob stoops? what about jeff tedford?
Stoops last 3 years
8-4
11-2
10-2
Tedford last 3 years
8-4
10-3
6-5
How does Miles having 3 consecutive 2-loss seasons make him a less-attractive candidate than those two?
Proctor-
Les did it against the semi-pro league known as the SEC. Lloyd would have been a consistant 6 loss coach there.
Am I the only one who wants Mary Sue Coleman to have ZERO say in the hiring process?
I don't understand why all of you are so excited at the prospect of Les Miles becoming the next head coach. Every year he has as much talent as anyone in the nation playing for him, but he always loses at least two games.
How does everyone feel about Boubacar Cissoko making some visits. I know he is 4 star, but he is also short. Is there any concern he won't be able to cover big ten wr?
I have to agree with Dex- to each his own on which kind of football is better. Neither one is better, they're just vastly different.
Personally, I hate the NFL's boring style of play, but I can understand how someone can get jazzed about watching the absolute best execution of a boring play. I can't do it, but I can understand how someone else can.
If you like variety, college football is your thing. If you like technical precision and excellence, then the NFL is your bag. To each his own.
Now, when NFL guys come into the college game, hide the women and children, because that is just about the suckiest sucktastic football you'll ever see. I still remember EDSBS's description of the Pitt-Nebraska (aka NFL guys Wannstedt v. Callahan) game a few years back:
"in front of a horrified public, [Wannstedt and Callahan] grunted out the foulest smoking turd ever to disgrace the eyes of Brent Musberger."
(Vigorously nodding head) yes, that game was awful, and I can't wait to say goodbye to those NFLers, along with Gailey, Groh, and Weis. God, they suck the life out of the game.
@Proctor
Enough of your facts. Les eats taffy on the sidelines and says Ar-kansas, he can't coach! Brian Kelly is the awesome!
/cue the GVSU mafia
//whatever happened to our Chuck Martin acolytes?
Well, I feel better about that than I did Ferentz
Bubocar is going nowhere--he'll have a change to play alongside Donovan Warren--those two will dominate
U.P. power! Just had to get that out.
So you feel there is no problem that he is under 6'0?
Proctor--because Miles had more talent on his LSU teams than Stoops had at OU and Tedford had at Cal combined.
Why don't we hire Bill McCartney and Moeller as co- head coaches?
\The NFL is a marketing firm, they marketed Tom Brady so well that nobody realized that New England's defense was the real shit.//
And yet Brady's numbers this year are absolutely other-worldly and New England's defense was what kept the Eagles in the game last Sunday. Except for...you know, those HUGE interceptions at the beginning and end of the game. Ah, screw it...the Patriots are all gorillas with chainsaws for penises.
Brady - Weis >>>>> Weis - Brady
dex
Are you IN Jackson or in Jackson?
@cfaller
Good lord yes, most NFL coaches are atrocious at the college rank. For every Pete Carroll this......everyone else ever to make the switch.
Because of the NFL parity, I feel it tends to force homogeneous schemes. You can't run an option in the NFL. The QB will die. Variety does get left behind. These guys go to the college ranks and just try to run complicated, NFL offenses with kids farrrrrrrr less talented than they have coached in years and my heavens is it terrible.
I am in Jackson. All though I know someone IN Jackson as well.
Cissoko will be alright, as in fabulous.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rKrfFU2h7bE
If you look around the NFL ranks, you notice very few coaches have major college coaching experience. I always found it odd how they get NFL jobs after spending 3 years at Illinois Central College for the Deaf.
Proctor--because Miles had more talent on his LSU teams than Stoops had at OU and Tedford had at Cal combined.
Adrian Peterson and DeSean Jackson suck. LSU does have more talent, but there's no need to exagerate.
Also, recruiting plays a large role in talent level. How is Miles ability to recruit well an indictment against him as a coach?
With Kelly we know we are getting an awesome Offensive coordinator also. He must be salivating as to how to use Brown, Minor, Hemingway, Clemons and Stonum. ( Gawd I hope McGuffie stays on board )
With Miles we know someone who stands for Michigan. He is passionate and has an ability to key-in on rivals and beat them. We need someone who can one-up Tressel. A fake FG against Tressel would be a thing of beauty. The balance is now being shifted to the state down south. We need someone who makes it #1 priority of beating OSU just like Tress did when he became OSU's headcoach.
There aren't better choices than these two. I'll be happy with kelly or Miles...
However I do hope that ND doesn't hire kelly when they fire Weis E Coyote. Kelly's offenses are scary.
I do NOT want Les Miles to be our next coach, and am actually dreading that it might be inevitable. One of the things that made Lloyd great was that he was a class act. Remember last year when we were getting screwed by the BCS and he refused to lobby or whine when we didn't get in the Nat'l Title Game. I don't see Les Miles as that kind of guy - more of a whiner like Urban Meyer (i.e. saying LSU would be undefeated in the "Old System"). People can complain about our "boring offense" all they want, but I think Michigan is about tradition, integrity, honor (and all that good stuff), and we need a coach who exemplifies that more than one who will roll the dice now and complain later.
We also need a coach whose offense scores more than three points during the biggest game of the year. I love Lloyd but getting a Lloyd clone would be damaging to the program.
I'm sick of hearing that people don't want Les Miles because he might not be a class act. Yes, I'm going to miss Lloyd because he's a class act, but being a class act does not in itself win football games. as was posted here (or some M blog) before, we're hiring a FOOTBALL COACH, not someone to split atoms.
Watch out, Nebraska just got permission to talk to Brian Kelly.
Dex, to be fair, I think the reverse holds true as well: that college coaches should generally stay away from the NFL game, because what made them successful in college (good talent ID and development, unique schemes to maximize talent, etc.) doesn't make a damn bit of difference in the NFL.
The difference, though, is that I think college coaches know this, whereas NFL coaches seem to think they would automatically dominate if they "moved down" to the college game (e.g. Callahan taking the "teach the hayseeds" approach at Nebraska). Hopefully the complete and utter failures by Weis, Groh, Gailey, Callahan, and Wannstedt should open their eyes and shut their mouths.
people have really blown lsu's talent out of proportion. jacob hester and matt flynn arent exactly tomlinson and brady
watch less cbs. propaganda is bad for you
If we get Miles and Kelly goes to Nebraska ( and not to Iowa or ND ), it'll be double whammy.
And enough with Lloyd is all class talk. Please.
Did Wisconsin really accept the outback bowl bid?
Musket-
While I realize sports writers give us our initial rankings I was just merely stating that Lloyd along with injuries managed to take us from #5 to unranked. I know he had nothing to do with putting us there, granted he did give us a pretty good 2006 season as part of the reason, however, he managed to deflate that ranking instantaneously with his sub par coaching skills lol. Obviously if the team had better weight training too they might not be so injury prone, obviously Lloyd and Co did not gather that concept.
See for yourself:
http://www.outbackbowl.com/
cfaller-
Agreed, I like the chances of a college coach marginally better to make the jump. They go in knowing they are going to have to work harder and prove themselves, as opposed to being the hotshot.
Of course, it's not foolproof, as Spurrier knows.
00goblue00
I agree completely.
well at least that means if OSU goes to NC game and Ill goes to Rose/BCS, then we'll get Cap1
I'm IN Jackson. I came here for the food. We had that Miso soup for thanksgiving. It was almost good. A little dab will do ya. I want 00SweetBlue00 to bake a cake for me large enough to hide a file. They said I'd get to go to The Big House. Howd I know?
ATL Blue
I've said it before and I'll say it again sometimes class doesn't get you anywhere. Yeah it gets you respect but who the hell cares if Lloyd can win in a press conference. It matters on the field. College Football is a dirty sport (and by dirty I mean tough and physical)...not a freakin socialite tea gathering. I hope Lloyd enjoys all his tea and crumpets in his new AAD cubicle.
@Mgobluejacksonprison
Do you sell crafts in the gift shop? I'd like to buy some.
Dollars to donuts that Jackson Prison has a better strength and conditioning program than Michigan football.
00goblue00,
That WAS my point. Did you read my post incorrectly?
Jackson Prison-
It's funny you say that...I do bake a mean funfetti cake!!
Gary Danielson for head coach.
I think the S&C program in prison is called "Build muscle to avoid the rape" that would get me motivated to hit the weights for sure.
Alex Mitchell, are you listening?? Musket has a new program for you...
No I didn't read it incorrectly. I was agreeing with you...guess next time I will have to clarify that ATL Blue I agree with you...being classy gets you nowhere in the grand scheme of things...is that better?
Hahaha @ ThWard
I'm surprised Tommy Tuberville isn't being mentioned at all. I think he's a great coach.
Being classy may not win games, but it keeps you off probation and out of the courts- which isn't terrible.
Dex-
obviously, but I meant that I don't think Miles is going to be a classless act for UofM...he may say some weird things, but I would rather have variety than the same old same old. I doubt very much that he is going to act inappropriately on the sidelines off the sidelines etc.
How about we hire a great, non classy football coach and then hire someone else to keep the players out of jail and the program off probation?
MWolverine,
And remember in '73 when we didn't get to the Rose Bowl and Bo didn't say a word... oh, wait. It's only not classy when it's other schools doing it.
Who has more class?
I heard that Les Miles doesn't even know how to properly eat an artichoke!
Seriously, drop this "class" shit, it's like shouting down a well. Lloyd was a nice man, but we're talking about someone who routinely ripped the shit out of sideline reporters. My point is not that it mattered - I certainly didn't care - but that "class" is different then playing all nicey-nice for cameras.
chitownblue
exactly. Didn't he tell some reporter that she asked a stupid question? I mean that right there is worse than saying "we never lost in regulation" give me a break. I doubt very seriously that Miles was actually trying to sell that line to people. I think he was saying it to be funny, but everyone interprets things differently.
Les can kill Bonnie Bernstein with his bare hands for all I care, as long as he keeps the recruit payments hush hush, bribes the cops, and wins some games. Who cares about sideline reporters?
It's also not classy to physically assault someone...which is what football is ALL ABOUT.
One of the things that made Lloyd great was that he was a class act
First of all, "class" only gets you so far in my book. Doing your f'ing job (i.e. win!) and doing it with "class" is great, but the priority must be on doing your f'ing job. Lloyd was a 9-3 guy, which is underperforming at Michigan. Sure he had lots of "class," but even he admitted he didn't want to do his f'ing job anymore, which was why he retired (and kudos to Lloyd for recognizing this, albeit a little late).
Second, "class" is overrated. I remember during the Moeller years lots of apologists would talk up how "classy" Moeller was. We all know how that ended. "Class" is too subjective to use as a criteria for our next head coach, and thus shouldn't be used.
Finally, I think it's silly to insist that Lloyd's successor have as much class as Lloyd did- it's not gonna happen, because Lloyd was (IMO) unmatched in that department. We should simply insist on a track record of a clean program, and leave it at that.
Class only gets you so far, and obsessing about it at the expense of everything else is a sign that you're happy with 8-4. You want more than that, don't you?
@PT: Your posts at 12:00 and 12:21 are absolutely right on. There is a fine line between championship teams and good teams and that fine line is determined by excellent coaching. Les Miles is NOT an excellent coach. A good one maybe, but not in the league of Brian Kelly for one reason: intelligence and his lack thereof. This comes through any time he speaks, what LSU fans say about him, or what his players say about him or even when you watch him on the sidelines. Did you hear him yelling at the refs in the Are-Kansas game? "I'm the head coach! I'm the head coach!" I'm sure officials like it when they're talked to like children. Can you imagine Tressel barking something like this at the refs? He's pretty much composed most of the time.
Les would be an improvement to Carr but that's not saying much. Brian Kelly is the guy who gives us the best chance of taking Michigan to a whole new level that it hasn't been seen in decades. I, for one, want to see if we have it in us to be the best of the best once in this lifetime.
I also like your once-in-a-lifetime note about Woodson. He won 3 games for us that year. Also glad you remembered when Carr pulled Brady in the MSU game, inserted Henson who promptly threw an interception that we could never recover from. That was coaching.
And for people who think Brian Kelly has no understanding of the UM/OSU Rivalry or an appreciation of what it's like to be a Michigan Man. Gimme' a break. The guy coached in Michigan for 16 years. I'm sure he lost his share of recruits to both schools and even the ones he got loved Michigan. I had a friend who played against GVSU who said he was a coaching genius. He might not have allegiance but anybody quickly finds it once they come to Ann Arbor. Students included.
dex,
If he kills Bonnie, I might like him more.
Mangino eats sideline reporters, anyway.
My apologies, I just somehow sit here and wonder how people can debate the personal politcs and "class" of coaching candidates when:
a) it has little to nothing to do with football
and
b) such things cannot possibly be sussed out during 500-word ESPN.com puff-pieces and press-conference sound-bites.
We don't want to go to the Capital One Bowl. We would play Florida. It would not end well. Tim Tebow is like Dennis Dixon and Chris Wells wrapped in one. We did not do so well against those guys. Let's go to the Champs Sports Bowl or Alamo Bowl and perhaps Lloyd can go out a winner.
Having a classy coach is WAY overblown in a sport that gives props to which team can hit the team harder. It's insane.
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Those arguing for "class" are suffering from the psychology of entrapment...
PT
I doubt very seriously Lloyd will go out a winner. We haven't won a bowl game in what 4 years lol. I dunno if it will happen this year either. Even if we get to the Motor City bowl lol.
Has Florida already accepted a c1 Bowl bid? Is there any guarantee that they'd want them without the Zook angle?
If Mangino eats Erin Andrews I will stalk him like the wild rhino that he is.
Bonnie would be okay though.
@hellohello
Wait, what, football is painful? Enlighten me.
Not sure if this has been mentioned:
WI to Outback Bowl...
Cross your fingers fo Ill to make BCS so that its us vs. PSU for Cap One / Alamo (or Champps Sports).
Pleeease Capital One!
I'd crawl inside Mangino to get Erin Andrews. Jonah in the whale thing going on.
00goblue00,
you're right. the chances of lloyd winning this year's bowl game probably don't even depend on which bowl we go to. We probably wouldn't beat Texas Tech in the Alamo if we played there.
Plus. I didn't think a lot of the bowls like the outback, capital one, alamo bowl wanted Michigan anyway. I think they were trying to chose the other Big 10 schools over us...that in my book says we are pathetic this year lol.
Us playing Florida would be a complete fucking blood bath.
Didn't the Capital One bowl rep already eliminate us? I know I read that somewhere!
How did Outback bowl already pick WI?
Does that mean that Cap One officials said they def would NOT take the Badgers?
Erin Andrews is dating Mangino.
Dex,
It's only painful to watch...unless you're chad henne....zing
Yeah, everybody on this board is right...why don't we just ignore everything Michigan football has ever stood for, and start paying our players. Obviously, winning is more important than anything else. OSU, USC, Oklahoma, Miami, FSU...every other school with a good record has had to cheat, EXCEPT us. And I, for one, am not ready to give that up to win a few games (and .752 is a PRETTY good winning percentage over 13 years - that is "winning with integrity").
Which version of Jonah and the Whale are you watching? I don't remember cunnilingus in that story?
The psychology of entrapment makes an appearance! Excelsior! lol...
GutierrezForHeisman,
Before Pen State lost, though.
"System"). People can complain about our "boring offense" all they want, but I think Michigan is about tradition, integrity, honor (and all that good stuff), and we need a coach who exemplifies that more than one who will roll the dice now and complain later."
A few weeks ago Les Miles had one of the most important games of his tenure at LSU. That was playing Bama and Nick Saban. The week before because of a internal issue with Ryan Perriloux(our stud problem child backup quarterback) Les Miles left him at home. On the line was the SEC game and the NC. We were one injured QB away(that has had one injury this year) from having a A Harvard Transfer QB that never played a COllge game in his career be the QB for LSU. Miles was ready to lay it on the line for HOnor, FOr integrity and "all that good stuff".
THree weeks later Coach Saban when losing to ULM in desperation put in a player that he had suspended for the game. The stakes were much lower. Weeks before that we saw something similar with Urban Myer and Tony Joiner when they played LSU.
If you wnat honor and integrety then Les Miles is prob your man.
However I will gladly keep him
JH
cannot... refresh... fast enough...
bears repeating:
I heard that Les Miles doesn't even know how to properly eat an artichoke!
lol
MWolverine,
Have you ever watched a Bo press conference? He wasn't quoting poetry, he complained as often as anyone, he made mistakes. Les is actually a LOT like Bo. Lloyd was not the be all end all of UM football.
@musket
When I got bored in church I made up my own plot.
Yeah, people are going a tad over board in this whole "class means nothing" thing. I get the general frustration, but, um, I do sort of like winning games the right way.
However, I think people are more complaining about how one defines class. I could give a flying eff how a coach talks to sideline reporters (unless said sideline reporter is that angel in human skin, Erin Andrews), or what they say at fundraisers. By all accounts I've read, Miles is a solid dude, family man, blah blah blah. Good enough for me. But yeah, I don't really want our guys wearing fatigues to bowl games, or rumors to spread about $500 handshakes, etc. I do like the Michgian image-- it reflects more than just the football team, and to a grad, it's a source of pride.
Back to "Mangino bathes in custard every night" jokes!
MWolverine-
I don't think anyone on here has said that we should start paying the players cheating etc. All everyone was merely stating was that a little variety can go along away and yes while Lloyd was classy ran a clean program we consistantly had 9-3 seasons. No one is saying they want a dirty program run, but you don't have to act like you have a stick up your ass with everything in order to win with integrity.
dex
I prefer the baby jesus. Black baby jesus.
Cap One did not want Wiscy since they have been there the last two years.
Mangino and Andrews... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The reason the Capital One, Outback, and Alamo don't want us is not because we suck. They don't want us because our fans are spoiled and won't travel to go see Michigan play in these games. I'm not calling anyone out b/c I certainly am not going to watch Michigan in any of these bowls. I'm just saying that the bowls know that Wisconsin, Penn State, and Illinois fans will travel better than Michigan fans.
Black baby jesus.
Mike Hart?
Mangino has formally petitioned NASA to return to the Moon. He hears it is made of cheese.
Sign me up as a guy who wants no part of Texas Tech.
Frankly, Florida doesn't scare me that much. Michigan handles the SEC relatively well... ok, I guess Florida would hand us our asses, but I'd like to play Auburn, Tennessee, or someone like that. UF and Tex Tech could get ugly.
People who want to obscure the search for the best coach in "tradition", "class" and the like, while citing how clean we are compared to everyone else need to get overthemselves.
I have witnessed, with my own eyes:
-Michigan players getting arrested for robbing strippers they had in their own rooms
-Beating the shit out of kids at frat parties because the kids tried to stop them from stealing computers.
Other things I haven't seen, but that have happened:
-A player exposing himself to random girls on their front porch.
-Repeated cases of battering women.
-Repeated drug violations.
And to the poster that said that we should "start paying players" like OSU, USC, OU, Florida...how do you even know this? It's bullshit you tell yourself before you go to sleep to make yourself feel better. Have they been caught? Sanctioned? Anything? Just stop.
MWolverine said:
Yeah, everybody on this board is right...why don't we just ignore everything Michigan football has ever stood for, and start paying our players
Oh, for the love of God, MWolverine, no one is saying that. Jesus Christ, must we have "class" trolls infiltrate our Michigan football obsession?
We can win without cheating. Lloyd proved that. And there's no evidence to suggest that either Miles or Kelly cheats. Please stop.
Don't. Feed. The. Class. Trolls.
poster at mlive, who is on the outback bowl selection committee says 80% chance we go to Citrus bc even if Missouri beats OK, 75% chance Illinois gets a BCS.
As a UF grad, I am so goddamned scared of playing Tebow and the Gators. Think of Tennessee in 2001, only worse.
I'd play Auburn...but honestly I think Fulmer would coach circles around Lloyd(again) and we would not be close in that game.
cfaller, Ryan, and others...
First of all, where is this "Brain Kelly's dream job is Boston College" info coming from?
Second of all, what makes everyone so sure that just because Kelly isn't from Ann Arbor or go to UM or play for UM that he won't fall in love with it once being here for a year or five. imafreak said it so well when he said that by the time an NFL team hypothetically comes calling for Kelly, that'll mean he's done some great things here. But in five years, do you think a coach with success at Michigan is going to want to leave? If we hate our coaches when they suck, you better believe we love them when they are awesome. You all are thinking in worst case scenario here, there aren't as many Sabans as there are Paternos or Bos. He's jumped from GVSU, to CMU, to Cinci b/c those are LOWER TEIR coaching jobs. Michigan can be considered on par with any NFL job. The NFL is a step above to SOME, but Kelly has been a college guy his entire life. Why would we assume that of Kelly?
I've said it before and I'll make the point again, Bo didn't come to Michigan with the love for the university instilled in him, however he's the one who taught the others to love it (including Carr & Miles et al). So why are we so quick to assume that just because he coached at Grand Valley that he won't understand UM tradition and the OSU/UM rivalry? That's the biggest reach I've ever heard.
Not to mention the comparisons to Tressell are only because of his roots in the collegiate ranks (he started at a D1-AA program, similar to Kelly at GVSU...not that they are from Ohio or Michigan (that just happens to be an added bonus). And just because he coached at CMU and GVSU, it doesn't mean he only recruits in Mt.Pleasant and Grand Rapids...yeesh, I mean really, the reach on that argument is just not real.
As for his records not being as good after he left GVSU, he took on below average programs and is taking them to new levels...that's why. It's going to take him longer to get similar records to his at GVSU b/c he's had to start at a lower level. Les Miles could do what he's done in a shorter amount of time b/c LSU wasn't in ruins when he got there. Am I saying Les' success is not of his own doing? Not in the slightest bit. But the same should be applied for Kelly, who has turned around those programs and brought them to new heights while he was there. THAT's the difference. Cinci has been in the Big East for IIRC 2 years (they were in Conference USA prior to joining the BE). This year they contended for the championship on the arm of a cyborg QB.
So while everyone is so quick to defend weak arguments against Miles, I'll do the same for an equally if not better choice for HC.
I think Mike Hart has supplanted my image of Jesus.
On a different joke, there's no way we're getting Erin Andrews away from that sexkitten Mangino.
if we go to the alamo bowl, i'll be there. my family lives in houston and i'd make the drive out. my little sister however goes to texas tech. if we play them, oh god the terrible thoughts, linebackers in coverage?!?!?!
Ryan - provide some evidence that Brian Kelly said that "his dream job was Boston College." Otherwise it's just you creating a damaging rumor about Brian Kelly because you like Miles more and get the job. Which bugs me when people do that. CITE A SOURCE when making HUGE claims like that.
ThWard
No thanks on Tennessee do you forget how we got are asses handed to us the last time we played them? lol.
Screw linebackers in coverage, I'm more worried about Morgan Trent. What garbage.
I hate to say it, but if Nebraska was bowl eligible this year...we would probably lose to them in the Alamo again. That is how much confidence I have in this coaching staff.
kgh10,
The info came from a Grand Rapids paper, I assume the columnist knew him pretty well as he made it clear this job doesn't mean more to Kelly then it would to Nick Saban. I'll try and find the article for you, it was a few weeks back.
I guess I'm in the minority, but Texas Tech doesn't worry me. We handled Purdue. TT seems incrementally better with a similar scheme. I'm more worried about any team that can:
a.) Consistently run between the tackles
b.) Feature a legit zone read option
c.) Both a. and b.
MWolverine raises a good point. Does UM really want a coach who squanders talent and then looks like a fool pandering to the media (see yesterday's comments in which he whined that his team's two OT losses should keep them in the national title game b/c they would have been ties before and he equated two ties with one loss--yeah, he'll make UM look really good).
We can beat Tenn, maybe Georgia, SC, I can see us giving LSU a game.
Florida??? No way. Their offense and Tebow would be like kryptonite to us.
00g0blue-- Unless they have a TE like Witten that can outrun our whole secondary (that was embarrassing), and WRs faster than sound (Stallworth and Washington, I think), we'll be OK against Tennessee.
Any chance we play Kanasas? And Mangino suffers a heart attack on the field, we wing and Lloyd rides off into the sunset with Erin Andrews on his back?
Incredulous
There have been several LSU fans who came on here to say that LSU has subpar talent. He has talent but it's not like it's amazing. It's pretty average. Furthermore quit with the presser BS. No one except Les knows the context in which he meant it.
Oh God, are we really taking Miles' joke to the media about being undefeated in the regular season as a reason to not hire him??? I don't even think he's the right guy, but that's no kind of reason.
@MRG
This is not the same spread attack as purdue at all. purdue sets up plays, tech has the quarterback retreat 3 steps back, then decide, dump quick or choose one of 15 receivers on the field. they dont really utilize pass protection. they put out less of a block than our zone reach block. just enough to get the qb 2 yards of cushion so he can get a throw off. Not to mention better overall players at QB and WR
00goblue00...started to read this and couldn't get past your comment. You might want to rid yourself of the notion that Carr is responsible for Ferentz' name being in the mix. But we should be damn thankful that we actually have someone who knows football close unless of course you are comfortable with Coleman and Martin which I'm guessing you're not since one is the source of KF getting in the mix.
As for Miles...when and if shows up and manages the clock or makes some of the play calls and mid-game strategy decisions that he's associated with we will see what the geniuses here think about his coaching. He is a lot of good, even great things....head coach isn't one of them. KF is considered twice the coach among those who actually are in the business.
chitownblue its been the same 4 reasons
regulation presser
jai eugene recruiting
clock mismanagement
are-kansas
I don't know how many more times we are going to run this into the ground. You don't like him it's fine but lets get real here.
I've watched Tennesse play 3 games this year - they really don't have any elite skill players. Ainge is a good QB, and they have solid line play - but their backs and receivers are sloooow.
Ok, here's the article. From the Muskegon Chronicle via MLive...
http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/
...or_carrs_r.html
Ugh. I. Am. So. Sick. of this "LSU out-talents" everyone crap.
BASED ON WHAT? WHAT SHREAD OF EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT LSU OUT TALENTS THE SEC? I did a quick and dirty calculation of scout.com rankings for recruiting, and it put Florida and Georgia ahead of LSU, with LSU a hair ahead of Tennessee and Auburn just outside of them. Why is everyone quick to say "He lost 2 times, and it's not like Flynn is bad, he's a 4 star guy!!!" but no one mentions the relative ranking of Stafford/Tebow and their losses? Anyone think Meyer and Richt suck? Is there an undefeated coach out there? Dammit, June Jones, I'm not talking to you.
and i didnt mean you specifically didnt like him chitownblue i was saying it in general about people on here..
Anon II
I didn't say Lloyd was responsible for singlehandedly bringing Ferentz's name into the mix. I may have agreed with others, but I did not start that idea...
"MWolverine raises a good point. Does UM really want a coach who squanders talent and then looks like a fool pandering to the media (see yesterday's comments in which he whined that his team's two OT losses should keep them in the national title game b/c they would have been ties before and he equated two ties with one loss--yeah, he'll make UM look really good)."
First off what talent is Miles squandering down here. Also that comment about OT was taken out of context. I happened to listen to the news conference live when Miles said it. Another example of shoddy SPort Journalism. People are getting comments confused and twisted.
Formerlyanonymous-- correct. Texas Tech would put a TON of pressure on our LBs in coverage. Um--- yikes.
00goblue00,
Don't forget the dirty, filthy things he did with Laurie Carr.
@goblue
That picture of him sexually assaulting you might come back to haunt him too. Keep that stuff on the dl
Re: class
I for one would love our players to wear fatigues to bowl games. We need some Swag.
Re: Paying players
Everyone does it.
Re: Florida
No. No. Please No.
Re: Texas Tech
Wildly inconsistent. They could beat us 77-30 or lose by 50.
Re: Mangino
If we just get him to visit Blimpie Burger, he's in A2 for life.
Ryan,
I also saw that article about Kelly. Boston College also jibes with what Josh Helmholt said about Kelly a few months ago at The Wolverine. He suggested that, while Kelly would obviously be interested in the UM job, it wasn't his "dream job" so to speak. Josh, who played for Kelly at GVSU, said Kelly is an "East Coast" guy and that he would certainly be inclined to go back there should he have the opportunity.
As far as being from Michigan, that is totally false. He's from Massachusettes. Here's an excerpt from his bio at Cinci:
A native of Chelsea, Massachusetts, Kelly attended St. John's Prep School in Danvers, Massachusetts. He was a four-year letterwinner at Assumption College (Massachusetts) as a linebacker. After graduating from Assumption in 1983 with a bachelor's degree in political science, he served as linebackers coach, defensive coordinator, and softball coach from 1983-86 at Assumption.
The complete bio can be found here:
http://gobearcats.cstv.com/
sport...ly_brian00.html
Anybody like Broken Egg? If Mangino comes to Ann Arbor, they can name it the "Mangino Breakfast Stew" and it can consist of 37 eggs, 4 live, greased up hogs, and a sacrificial virgin of Mangino's choice.... only $8.99!
broken egg is amazing.
Ryan-
Right how quickly I forgot that one too lol. Thanks for the reminder buddy!
Dex-
It's not sexual assault if its consensual and don't think for a minute I didn't enjoy it :) hahha
Thward,
LOL at the Witten comment. I remember when he caught that slant and then rolled by our secondary like he was Ben Johnson. The saddest part was watching Cato June take a bad angle and then actually lose ground to Witten chasing him. That was embarrassing. Tennessee was loaded that year but still when a tight end not named Kellen Winslow blows by your secondary, you're not very good.
I appreciate your input FA. Again, I do think TT personnel is incrementally better than Purdue. I just think we've been decent in coverage all year. MSU, Wiscy, OSU did their damage between the tackles. Ill, App State, UO killed us with zone read. NW and Purdue failed with the short passing game.
At any rate, I do think that whoever we play will be in for a surprise with a presumably healthy Hart, Henne and OL ready to go. I anticipate (blindly hope?) the offense will look light years better than it has so far this year.
Also about Kellys' losses: In his last season at CMU, he played Michigan, Kentucky, and Boston College. Two of those BCS schools he nearly beat with CMU players.
And Ryan, he is from Mass, so I'm not saying it's hard to believe...but again, that still isn't a case to me at all. The BC job was offered up last year, the same year he came to Cinci. Why he didn't go after it? I dunno.
00goblue00,
If the rumors about him and Laurie are true, your fiance would be smart not to let you close to Les. I've heard from Laurie that the Les- ticles totally translate to the bedroom.
Angelo's is out of Broken Egg's league.
kgh10, speaking for myself, I don't get the usual arguments against Kelly, though I will say I'm not particularly jazzed about the "small sample size" of his D-I head coaching career. His D-II career and championships mean something, don't get me wrong, it's just something in the back of my mind. In any case, it's only a small 'ding' IMO, and certainly not a dealkiller.
Honestly, I'm happy with either Kelly or Miles, and it's just my gut that says Miles will be better. That shouldn't mean much, which is why I'd be happy with Kelly. I would feel much better if Brian did a Profile in Heroism on Kelly, though.
We're looking at small differences here, and I think either one would accomplish the two goals I think the Program should have:
1. Without sacrificing standards (NCAA compliance, player conduct, etc.), upgrade the average win-loss record of the program from 9-3 with Lloyd to 10+.
2. Fundamentally change the tenor and style of the Program in order to "reenergize" it for the future. This can be done with either newfound "passion" and "love for Michigan" yada yada (e.g. Miles), or with a newfangled and more exciting scheme (e.g. Kelly), or perhaps a little of both (e.g. umm...Stoops?).
Either one's fine with me.
Any thoughts on Tuberville?
Ryan-
hahah It's a good thing our seats aren't that close to the UM sideline. My fiance won't have much to worry about!!
as for the "undefeated in regulation" comment...are you serious? That's actually hilarious, I loved that joke. The fact that people think it's not a joke, is, believe it or not, even more funny though.
kgh10,
It's obvious he was passed over by a lot of major programs last year. Let's not kid ourselves, Cinci is a BCS school because the Big East made a massive miscalculation and thought they could separate football and basketball. He obviously is viewed as damaged goods because he was being named in every coaching search.
Ryan-
Go in your myspace...
MRG,
I think alot of the zone read problems can be linked with the LB's. Ezeh has been slow to react, which doesn't help our thin tackle situation. CGraham has been culprit to several key poor performances. Even crable showed weakness in coverage against wisconsin. When it comes to the outside run, we can read that, but inside zone reads with the freshman ezeh not so good. We would be forced into alot more nickel packages to try and stop the 80%+ passing game. I'm not sure we have the personell on defense yet. It may help if we could move adams to nickelback, and have a competent stevie brown as a safety. I realize that is a stretch though.
here here cfaller...I'm in nearly 100% agreement with you. I like both candidates, I like Kelly more, but that doesn't mean much b/c both have upsides that UM has been lacking.
I don't want to start a shitstorm, but Angelo's is overrated, in my opinoin. Raisin toast, blah blah blah, I prefer Broken Egg.
PT--- I know, that was the worst. Game. Ever. (well, until this year). Tennessee was SUPPOSED to be in the MNC game, but blew the SEC champ'ship (to LSU maybe? It was a bad SEC team they lost to)... we had no business being on the field with them.
Ok, so if Cinci is only in the BCS b/c of a miscalculation, why are they Big East title contenders?
The whole rumors about Miles and Laurie Carr are ridiculous. If true, I guarantee that Lloyd would do everything in his power to make sure that Les Miles never got the job including coaching until he dropped dead on the field. No way Lloyd lets that one go. Sleeping with a guy's wife isn't quite the forgivable sin of telling Jai Eugene that Lloyd is going to retire shortly.
I can't believe that anyone who watched Miles "coach" LSU this past weekend against Arkansas would want him at UM.
Angelo's is wonderful.
00goblue00,
Ok lol
kgh10,
Because the Big East is a mid major conference with the best team (West Virginia) about to win it.
I'm happy with Brandon Harrison at nickel. I totally agree with you that CGraham is miserable in coverage (along with most other things). Who's dime (assuming they don't jockey Adams or Englemon)? Dutch? That's kind of gross.
It's fun game planning for an opponent we probably won't play.
Cinci has accepted a bid to the papajohns.com bowl, per ESPN
To be fair to Laurie, I really couldn't blame her if she did. Miles is a sexy sonovabitch. And his bad boy rep makes him even more appealing.
"Kelly used to muse that his dream job was Boston College"
lol...nice quote, but that means jack ish to my opinion that if he came here he wouldn't stay and love his time here. You are underestimating the power of the UM tradition. I've had too many friends come to Michigan and not know or love anything about the school other than the fact that they got into such a great school. Then once you stay here for a year or more, you feel a lot different. I took my sister to a football game, and she hasn't been the same since. It's just a different feeling here, and I don't think I'm being biased in thinking so. It gets into you. I cannot see how any other coach would feel differently if they came here.
big east is no mid major. they were about the same level as the big10 when before the split. Miami dominated much like UM/OSU. last year they had 3 teams way up on the talent level. this year, it looked like they would do well, then fell flat on their face. Still far better than any other mid major. still right behind the big10 in strength
KGH10: We are in the same boat. I'd like to see the author's source in that Mlive article discussing Brian Kelly's "musings." All the same, nice work for providing a link Ryan. Oddly enough Brian Kelly gave BC a major scare in their bowl game a few years back. Some overly aggressive playcalling may have actually cost the Chips in that contest but I'll take overly aggressive any day.
Brian Kelly coaches like Steve Spurrier - inventive and unafraid. The rest of the talk, will he be a Michigan Man or stay or leave, blah blah blah is just speculation and chatter. The same can be said about Les Miles' scrotum.
Tell me, if Les Miles or Brian Kelly took a job at Penn State, who would you be more afraid to face as a Wolverine's fan? That's the answer to who should be our next coach.
What the Hell is the papajohns.com bowl? Use the old names please lol
00goblue, Check your MySpace
R-Lew:
Nostradami.
Gutierrez-
Thank you! Agreed lol.
"Because the Big East is a mid major conference with the best team (West Virginia) about to win it"
huh?
Aaron: Or Wojodumbasses...
dutch at dime...shutter. i have nothing constructive to come from that.
KF is considered twice the coach among those who actually are in the business.
Umm, so why is he only .555 for his career at Iowa? He's had plenty of time to put "his guys" in at Iowa, and Iowa's got enough tradition and resources to at least be a contender in the Big 10, so what's the problem?
He's mediocre, that's the problem. Stop, just stop it, you Hawkeye troll- we're not taking your trash.
"Brian Kelly coaches like Steve Spurrier - inventive and unafraid. The rest of the talk, will he be a Michigan Man or stay or leave, blah blah blah is just speculation and chatter. The same can be said about Les Miles' scrotum."
Steve Spurrier is coming off a 5 game losing streak and is now sweating out an invite to the Independence Bowl.
By the way for those keeping track Les beat SPurrier
f myspace. all about facebook.
I would be very afraid of Brian Kelly coaching at PSU. Or any big ten school for that matter.
facebook used to Pwn myspace until these damn applications, now it's close again..
Wait, so some people have a problem with saving two timeouts until the last minute of regulation and then using them and scoring a td to tie the game? Oh, right, we are listening to the commentators, they were all qualified coaches before their current gig. Well, personally, I think it is extremely intelligent to use your timeouts TO SCORE to tie the game. Secondly, so what if you leave Arkansas 30 seconds - they have half a quarterback.
Coaches put players in situations to win games, players win games. A good example of this is Tressel with Troy Smith. Was he the best qb, talent wise, ever to play in UM v OSU series? No. But he was constantly put in opportune situations and made the most of them. Consequently, now he is a series legend.
Regardless, the next coach is going to Urban Meyer
Let's start a rumor that Iowa is about to fire Ferentz and bring in Mangino to get the Hawkeyeslounge losers back.
even more-
I like facebook better, but Ryan is only on myspace and I had a funny joke to send him.
Anyway through all the arguing on who would be better for Michigan I think either would be a vast improvement from the past 13 years. Will I be more pleased if it's Miles, yes...But I won't be completely disappointed if it's Kelly either.
applications suck! if i get more than 5 application invites from a friend, they're no longer my friend. tough love baby.
As of last check, JoePa isn't official dead yet. Zombie status is cured by Revivify. No kelly at PSU
Spurrier was kinda good at Florida. Are we comparing what Spurrier did at South Carolina to what someone like him would do at Michigan?
even more-
no kidding I think I had about 15 invites to those the other day from the same person too! I don't know why people want to have all that crap on there. I have a few but nothing overboard.
I wouldn't be upset with Brian Kelly, either. I just think Les is the better fit.
Brian Kelly is not a thug said:
Tell me, if Les Miles or Brian Kelly took a job at Penn State, who would you be more afraid to face as a Wolverine fan?
I honestly don't know...
the only facebook apps i have are the ones i can use to play trivia while i'm at work
People, Brian Kelly isn't coming. Michigan is not going to touch him. You've got to let it go.
And for those who somehow think Les Miles isn't good at his job, explain me this: how'd he manage to go 2-1 against Urban Meyer, 2-1 against Tommy Tuberville, and (at *Oklahoma State*) 2-2 against Bob Stoops?
have any of you heard about this?
Les told McGuffie he wouldn't see the backfield at LSU... McGuffie in turn, will not come to UM if Miles is coach.
Thoughts?
The Great White Hope not coming to UM? That just won't do! Although we do have Capers and that other kid from Michigan in 09 coming up, we will be thin on RB depth next year with no Sam.
So unofficially Michigan went after Ferentz. Ferentz probably declined the offer. Now let's say we offer Les and he is pissed off because we went after KF!! And then Les says no thanks. Like I've said, I have a great team here...and I love this place. If I was Les, I would be a little irritated if I was the 2nd option to Kirk Ferentz...and depending on how much the offer to Les would be...maybe he really does decline it and shove it in Martin, Coleman, and Carr's face.
even more - I heard that, but I don't know how much stock to put into that. It sounds strange to me, so I can't see it happening.
@ hat - I think you need to let go of the fact that we're speculating. I know Kelly isn't coming here the same way I know Les isn't coming here : I don't know.
i have a facebook app that deletes all facebook apps..
not really, but I need to get some geek to develop it and credit it to me.
We'll be thin at RB??????
Carlos Brown, Brandon Minor, Kevin Grady. McGuffie wasn't going to see the field here next year, either.
bored at work:
How can you honestly ask if anyone has heard something that you just randomly typed in to your comment? Where did YOU hear that or read it or whatever? Let's start there, and then, perhaps, discuss.
Sam, come on! Les Miles is the only coach to use a white RB in, like, forever
even more-
I'm not really worried about it. We can get someone else and we have others. I think McGuffie is kinda full of himself anyway and we don't really need that. We already had major meshing issues this year on the sideline.
and hat-
while I agree with you, save it lol. You can pull out every positive statistic in the book on Miles, they are just going to continue to look at his latest presser and the are-kansas comment so its not worth it!!
I'm starting to agree that McGuffie isn't all that. So he's fast, there's a ton of fast backs. He won't be able to do those kinds of moves in the Big Ten. It reminds me of that Dice- K guy for the Red Sox, everyone wanted him because of his special pitch and when he got here, it was nothing special.
Why isn't anyone bringing up Norm Chow. Realize he is only a lowly coordinator, but last time I checked he is the greatest offensive coordinator in the history of college football. Yea Kelly has done ok, but Jim Headband McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer and Matt Lienhart all go to show that this guy can coach college players, some big recruits (Palmer) others not so much (Rivers), and make them great in college and very solid professionals, or professional prospects, even Detmer hung around for a while in NFL with a minus arm. I want to keep the Michigan QBU rep, help Mallett become a better qb and run an innovative offense. Chow brings all of that to the table. He is also smart enough to hire a legit d-coordinator and let them deal with defense. That would become the #1 d coordinator job in college football, as nobody would question who is making the call. It would also probably allow English to stick around 1 more year to see who ultimately ran the show and he can keep up recruiting. Chow also could hire Orgeron as O/Recruiting Coordinator as they are pretty much extreme opposites and Ed O and English would land a top 5 recruiting class every year.
From MSC perspective, this would also go to show the Michigan Difference in that we would be the first school to give a chance to truly foster diversity at a big, historical university. Hiring Chow shows that far more than any other hire could do.
Why aren't we talking about him.
kgh10
I claim victory over you in the Scott Loeffler debate. This means I am allowed one date with you right? Silence is consent.
R-Lew: Have you heard that Mangino's blood has curative properties and that the CIA tried to kidnap him two years ago but it Mangino ended up putting all the agents in a blender, added oreos and bananas, and consumed them as a protein shake?
Huh. Guess you're out of the loop. It was reported on mlive.
\there's no way we're getting Erin Andrews away from that sexkitten Mangino.//
Add a Princess Leia slave girl bikini to that combo and the imagery really works REALLY well.
And please. No more talk about the Big East being second-rate. They've proved that their teams can play big boy football with anyone:
http://66.79.163.197/_images/art...07/11/26/
wv.jpg
I didn't randomly come up with it. Saw it on mlive, the poster there saw it on TheWolverine.
McGuffie is
by Wolverdog, 11/28/07 13:20 ET
Re: has anyone by MichfaninKY, 11/28/07
pretty much gone if we hire Miles. Something bad & undpecified happened at his LSU visit.
More importantly, why isn't the ACA (Asian Coaches Association) clamoring for an interview?
L-Ville Wolverine,
Isn't her close to 70? He doesn't want to be a head coach, from what I've heard. And if he ever is it will be at like UNLV.
I seem to remember that Chow commmented once that he has no interested in being a head coach - he only like offense. Also, he's old enough that he'd retire in 5 years.
Come on...no one's dream job is Boston College, except maybe Jerry York.
It's a college football team in a town that really couldn't give a shit about college football, and nothing is gonna change that. BC football is experiencing it's peak right now...it'll be back to sneaking into the rankings and heading to the Motor City Bowl by next year.
If Kelly went to Michigan, BC would cease to be his dream job in a heartbeat. The atmosphere isn't close, the advantages aren't close and the facilities aren't close. Michigan is a better destination for a coach in every single way.
"i think that McGuffie is kinda full of himself anyway"
based on what? lol. Is it the norm to speak about someone in a poor light as if we know them personally? It's one thing to speak about someone in a nice light when we don't know them, but the opposite is not the same. And with the Mallett stuff, we saw it, we heard it too many times to ignore it, I know I heard it from someone first hand (if that means anything to you guys). But McGuffie is now in that same boat? Strange. He's a once in a lifetime type of recruit at this stage, it's not something you brush off. I don't think that rumor is true though, it just doesn't add up and I doubt recruits would actually say that.
Ryan - Chow is 61.
The Red Sox won a World Series with Dice-K in the 3rd spot. Carlos Brown, Brandon Minor, McGuffie... see where I'm going with this? No? Me either. Hurdling LBs rules!
Johnny Sideburns,
WV isn't second rate, everyone below them is.
ThWard: You joked about "saw it on MLive" to which I intended to respond "which equals - some asshole posted it on the message boards on MLive, which, in turn means we should discuss it as if it's credible," but it appears that's actually what happened.
McGuffie wouldnt have seen the field at LSU because they have 11 RBs at LSU currently, and only 2 graduating. Something tells me at least one of them was a highly touted recruit previously.
And McGuffie still hasnt lost the shine in my eyes. He was singled out again this last week in the playoffs, being held to the lowest total all season (195yrds). Thats in the second round of the playoffs. We're not talking poor defenses at this point in the playoffs. Again, I never really thought he was the great white hope, but i'll be damned if i didnt see him live last year against my high school and was totally blown away.
carlos brown, minor, grady... they don't inspire very much confidence from me. only one i can see handling the load is brown. and if two of them get injured like this year, we're left with one of the three, avery horny, and *gulp* mighty mouse POTEMPA
Anon, I didn't answer because you beat me! oops! haha jk, I didn't feel like responding, sorry to cop out on our convo about QB coaches. P.S. stop going by anon. You've been around long enough to have a real handle.
yea, miles burned a bridge with McGuffie, probably should not have told him he was to small to play running back at LSU.
BC is my dream job.
But I'm a problem gambler.
And btw where is jamie mac. this is lame. (im kidding everyone).
R-Lew: That is hilarious, but while mlive's board is a ridiculous place for rumors re: recruiting, they're damn near batting 100% regarding the potential magical qualities of fat college football coaches' blood.
kgh has an excellent point. We can type things like "Les Miles has no class", "McGuffie is full of himself", and "Sylvester Croom hates black people" all we want. But it's 100% pure speculation based, again, on:
-Presser sound bites.
-500 word fluff pieces.
-Mean-sprited rumor-mongering.
I'm not the only one that has said McGuffie is full of himself. He just looks arrogant. My opinion I'll stick by it..
Psychology of entrapment strikes again, 00goblue00
Bored:
If we must discuss this:
"Les told McGuffie he wouldn't see the backfield at LSU... McGuffie in turn, will not come to UM if Miles is coach."
My comment is, think about that scenario. Les Miles walks into Sam McGuffie's living room, sits down, and then says, "You'll never see the backfield at LSU." Then stands, says "let us know because we'd love to have you," and walks out of the house. How realistic is it really that that's what happened? That Les Miles said "You'll never see the backfield at LSU"? Come on.
"I'm starting to agree that McGuffie isn't all that. So he's fast, there's a ton of fast backs. He won't be able to do those kinds of moves in the Big Ten."
Ummm, yes he would. The kid is an All-World athlete. When you rush for 5,000 yards and a Million touchdowns in Texas 5A, you are a pretty special talent. I for one would be dissapointed if we lost him. In my opinion he is exactly the type of player that would succeed in the Big Ten.
Sylvester Croom does hate black people though.
Boo arrogance. Uncommon in the awesomenest players of all time.
Minor, Brown, and Grady were as big, if not bigger recruits than McGuffie (Minor and Brown were 4 stars, Grady was a 5), and all have ran well when they've needed to.
R-Lew: scale of 1-10, how pissed are you that I stole that pscyhology of entrapment crack? 27?
The only thing I know for sure about McGuffie is Houston = Screwston. So if Les likes chopped and screwed beats, he's back in with the Guff.
Ryan, I had to throw at least ONE trues statement in there.
hellohello, I think if Les were miffed about Kirk f**king Ferentz being offered the job before him, the BEST solution would be to take the Michigan offer and run up the score on Iowa every damn year. That's how I would handle it, at least- don't get mad, get even, and let there be no doubt about how stupid it was to offer Ferentz the job first...
hahaha... man, i was sick of mike jones 3 years before he was ever played in ann arbor.
chow turned down unlv so doesn't want to be a head coach. i would turn down that opportunity and i would much rather be a football coach than a lawyer.
the only real problem with chow is his age. admittedly it is a problem, but he doesn't look his age, probably b/c he hasn't been put through the pressure cooker of being a head coach. i would be interested to see what he could do if given the chance, it would not surprise me if our offense did to the big ten what spurrier did to the sec in the 90s as he will be motivated to show everyone he was the brains and the big ten is pretty easy to put up some big numbers by using innovation.
if you want upside then chow has to have the most upside based upon track record, with the least downside...hiring a good d-coordinator at michigan isn't that hard and he is old.
Well, since I already teed it up once today, not that pissed. I'm glad it's become part of our lexicon...
Sylvester Croom hates black people? Wow, the things you "learn" on the internet.
Good stuff...
Sylvester Croom == cop from Boyz N Tha Hood
Cfaller96 - you have to source me, though, when you pass that on.
ok L-ville, but just because you say Chow is a good choice doesn't mean he is interested.
I think Bill Belichick would be a great coach. Bill Martin is an idiot if he doesn't hire him.
See how easy that is?
kgh10:
In recognition of your recognition that I am the champ in recognizing the inadequacies of Scott Loeffler as QB coach I will adopt the following handle immediately: "Brian Kelly will someday destroy us." From here on out you can call me that or just BKWSDU. I have you to thank. I'm hoping this will improve my credibility and lead you to respond to my previous requests... now at 3 and counting. *sigh*
What is the psychology of entrapment...please explain. lol I'm a fool.
chitown:
undeniable. but what have you seen out of any of them, besides brown, that inspires you to be confident that they can handle the load. the more RB's the better imho.
and the main issue is depth: we'll have 3-4 highly recruited RB's and from what we've seen the last couple years, we can expect at least one to get hurt for a significant amount of time, perhaps two...
More depth please!
@chitownblue
Minor, Brown, and Grady have had their moments, but I wouldn't say they've by any means all run well when needed. They haven't put in consistent, solid, non-fumbling confidence-inspiring performances. If we lose McGuffie, without Hart, I'm worried.
BKWSDU- Brian Kelly will be in the NFL in 3 years, im not worried.
lol thanks BKWSDU. much appreciated.
BKWSD-
Offer three and no answer...I would probably take that as a hint haha. I'm teasing of course.
cfaller96: you'd better handle this one...
What is the psychology of entrapment...please explain. lol I'm a fool.
kgh10 | 11.28.07 - 3:03 pm | #
I'd rather be Mangino's personal chef then head coach at UNLV.
Even More Bored:
I guess my view of how the three have played is not as pessimistic as yours. I actually thought that, with the exception of OSU, our inability to run with Brown and Minor this year was more a result of not really trying too much (like against Wisconcsin). Against Illinois, Brown ran quite well. Grady, when he was healthy, was pretty solid.
Are either of these 3 Hart? No, not now. But I think we have 3 usable, solid backs.
ahaha I missed the joke, but just now got it. Seriously, this IS an AOL chat room.
chow is the offensive coordinator of the tennessee titans. a little different than coaching the ne pats. he is likely frustrated by vy toy he has by now. this would be his last chance to take a big job. why not talk to him and see if he has interest. no bcs conference team ever offered him that job. he coached in college for nearly 30 years and only 3 in the pros, just a guess, but he would be interested.
i like kelly and all, but last time i checked norm chow has accomplished a little more so why not give him the chance he should have had 10 years ago from a bcs school. he could also coach with that nice little chip on his shoulder and try to stick it to every team that thought he was a gimmick coordinator.
i think brian needs to open up mgoblogsingles.com
CFN now has us playing against Texas A&M in the Alamo Bowl. How unappealing...
I don't buy the "Brown fumbles" meme. He fumbled when we played him with a cast on his hand. Aside from that, he fumbled once vs. Minnesota.
I guess I don't see any of these guys being worse than BJ Askew, or even Chris Perry. If we block for them, they'll run fine. I'm infinitely more worried about Mallett next year than I am about our RB's.
i also think chow will try and take taco pants out of the offense we run due to the inability of taco pants to ever make a difference in a big game.
l-ville, Norm's got 20 years on Kelly, that's why. If Chow was in his early 50s, I'd love the dude. Plus it'd be sweet to have an Asian coach.
dex,
Seriously with all the flirting going on, he could make some nice cash on the side.
k, im going to go eat, no one post anything til i get back.
you have no, zero, zilch, nada, nothing to indicate Norm Chow is interested in a head coaching position anywhere, other than your completely subjective and uninformed armchair psychological analysis of his desires. Show me ONE thing where Chow has expressed a desire to be a BCS head coach, and I'll grant you the possibility.
He has turned down a head coach job. That is a fact.
Chitown,
Don't worry about Mallett. He is actually the least of my worries. With Threet being able to play after practicing all last year, and with Weinke coming in...our QB situation improves quite a bit. If Mallett doesn't perform, he will sit. And there will not be a coach that has a preference other than playing the best guy.
form anon-
hahha like that will happen. Happy reading 200+ posts to catch back up.
kgh- totally agree. Just think, we could corner the market on Asian recruits.... like... does Dat Nguyen have any more eligibility?
formerlyanonymous == Mangino?
that was more for my use so i can search for my name later so i will know where to start.
Mangino would like to eat Chow with hoison sauce and some pot stickers.
Wow, I'm kind of confused by this consensus that "class" is a nice thing to have, but not really necessary.
This isn't the fucking NFL, where wins and the bottom line trump all. For a lot of us, this is our alma mater, and that means a pretty important connection. If we think about it, we probably don't want to cash in what makes us special for that extra win or so a year. Right?
And if we do ... well, why are we Michigan fans, anyway? There's a lot of other teams out there that do a better job of maximizing wins. Most of them are run by people you'd be embarrassed to have represent you.
In short: No, it's not an optional trait in a coach. Not at Michigan.
McGuffie was interested in LSU, his contacts (most likely his coach) talked with Miles and thats were the statement was made. He was not in his house making the statement, thats silly.
well all that talk about an asian coach, i ordered chinese...
If you sliced open Mangino's belly, hot fudge and pot stickers would flow out.
Flop - I wasn't really in on the convo, but in reading I realized it's not that we don't want class, but the definition of class is far too broad.
Am I the only one who thinks Brian is on the Search Committee? It would explain the lack of content...
Or Mangino got a hold of him.
hell has frozen over. I think KGH and I are about to agree on something. No one is saying that they don't want Michigan football to be classy,(thats probably where agreement ends) it's just that it shouldn't be the primary focus of the program.
dex- Neither. Word around the street is Friedgen got a hold of him.
\us playing against Texas A&M in the Alamo Bowl//
Good lord, please tell me there's a hockey game I can go to that day to remove all temptation to watch that.
Texas A&M who got bitch-slapped by Miami...and yet they still whipped Texas. Anyone who says Vince Young isn't among the top five men ever to play college football simply has no appreciation for the game.
I think if you cut Mangino open, we'd discover that he not only owns, but once ate a fuck a lion.
chow has never been offered a legit coaching job. most football coaches want to be head coaches. took psych 101, not that hard.
the key question is why aren't we talking about him. nobody is, but shouldn't we want to hire the best coach for the job...my thought is chow might be the best coach for the job.
chow's age is only thing against him. he has had success in two bcs conferences in past decade. he helped levell edwards build a program.
talking about threet and weinke reminds me of that left handed aztec we brought in to take navarre's job in '01, how did that turn out?
gotta think he keeps mcguffie, but i don't care about a 4/5 star injury prone high school rb, as last time i checked we have 2 of those guys on our roster in brown and grady.
GMB: No, what's silly is the statement itself - "Les Miles told McGuffie he wouldn't see the backfield at LSU." Yes, I was being "silly" when I created that hypothetical scenario, which I think we agree is ridiculous as well.
You're all being silly. Les Miles communicated that message to McGuffie via the comments section on an mgoblog post.
00goblue00 - almost. I really was just trying to say that silly press conferences don't = no class. "No class" is being a crappy dude, not treating his players and coaches with respect, allowing for his players to cheat and paying recruits et al. The definition of class is becoming too broad when we include press conference clips.
Odds that McGuffie reads this blog and decommits to go play for Mangino?
The issue with "class" isn't that it's worthless. It's that "class" goes beyond being nice in press-conferences so that stupid-ass reporters write nice things about you, and that a person's true "class" is not something that any individual on this board is in a position to evaluate. Unless you're Les's son. Are you?
Les Miles has made a lot of silly comments on this blog, I would know, the past few have been directed toward me lol.
ooook...we'll hire a 60 year old offensive co-ordinator to run Michigan. Good call. Better get Bill Martin on the phone.
I would trade an F-bomb in an interview for a win any day. I wouldn't trade cheating for a win. I would trade a silly remark for a win. I wouldn't trade a fight after a game for a win.
mangino is recruiting mcguffie hard, takes him to all the buffets in kansas, tells him their S&C program will get you nice and plum... strong... yes. strong. [licks lips]
Poor Friedgen has been left behind in the fat coach war, he needs to gnaw the leg off a live chicken to instill fear back into Weis and Mangino. Or he could team up with the guy from Toledo for a tag team challenge.
If you sliced open Mark Mangino's belly, you'd find Ralph Friedgen and Charlie Weiss inside cuddling.
Friedgen? What about Tiller? I remember when he was the most beloved fat man around...seems like centuries ago...
I really was just trying to say that silly press conferences don't = no class. "No class" is being a crappy dude, not treating his players and coaches with respect, allowing for his players to cheat and paying recruits et al. The definition of class is becoming too broad when we include press conference clips.
That is exactly how I feel and have been trying to say. A measure of a persons class is not solely based on performance in a press conference. For some to say that Miles has no class because he says dumb things in a press conference is ridiculous. As far as we know he hasn't paid off any of his players or cheated etc. So hell half froze over lol.
i hear mangino is looking to get alex mitchell to transfer
Here's some examples of what *isn't* class:
Don't refuse to let players transfer if they want to go. Don't say you voted another team No. 1 when you really voted for yourself. Don't mock players on the other team for being short (especially when they just beat you). Don't talk about the decided schematic advantage you bring to the table. Don't bring the police dogs after a visiting team and subject them to a search as if they could be terrorists. Don't snicker and call for a moment of silence when a rival team gets upset.
Flop,
I don't think you can vote for yourself as number 1 can you?
Flop - you forgot eating babies. Eating babies, like Les Miles does, is not classy.
Actually I think you can...otherwise there would always be one vote for another team. Disregard
would you want some 35 year old hot shot wall street guy investing your retirement portfolio or warren buffet.
age is a factor, but should not be the only factor as i would trade 5 years of excellence over an unknown entity.
hell is indeed chilly, but not frozen. hahaha
Miles doesn't eat babies. However, Mangino has checked out a copy of 'A Modest Proposal' from the KU library.
I think there needs to be an internet wide moratorium on the use of class to describe any part of college athletics, whether it be players-fans-or coaches, for at least a year. I'm so sick of it. It's a joke or no big deal when your own coach or team does it, it's class-less when someone else does it, that's all it ever boils down to. So lame.
Only if you're too lazy to think critically about things, dex.
totally unrelated to kirk ferentz, les miles, or the coaching search whatsoever... but what do we know about this george morales character who recently committed as a long snapper?
I'm 100% confident in saying that's the first Mangino/Swift reference ever made. In the history of the world. Kudos.
dex I'm SO with you on that one. I'm sick of people trying to tell me Mike Hart has no class? Why...because he's honest and loves his school and is completely unselfish? Yes, he must be unclassy because of a press conference.
Dex is making so much sense, I'm going to go check out his (her?) blog.
dex is so effing classless.
His. I'm not part of this feminist invasion.
Flop, what does that mean? How is Dex not thinking critically?
Those Dantonio comments bug me and are a perfect example of how someone can be classless in a press conference. Granted I know his motives behind saying the crap he says he wants to make this rivalry something more than it is which won't happen, but still it was uncalled for. A 50+ year old man looks like a 6 year old when he resorts to name calling a college student.
I'm glad Michigan finally stood up for themselves and gave it right back. IE Mike Harts comment, the moment of silence in the middle of the field, and bowing to the sparty fans. I know I know just because someone started something doesn't mean you have to finish it but really, this is the first time I can ever remember Michigan actually standing up for themselves with all the shit talk they get.
I think sometimes I forget about how incredibly large Mangino actually is. THE DUDE IS BIG!
Dear L-Ville,
Let's hire Paterno or Bobby Bowden.
Signed,
Your Logic
P.S. The Asian fetish does not apply to men.
agreed 00goblue00, and I don't think it's bias talkin to me either. DANG hell is frozen, for real this time.
And Mangino is actually a pretty cool dude, watch him chew (no pun intended) out his guy for doing a flip in the endzone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z...h?
v=zmAYpAzNB34
"you did this all on your own didn't you!" in sarcasm...just a good point.
Mangino is the best kind of fat, he's fat all over unlike those 2,000 lb guys on TLC.
Dex-
Feminist invasion? lol. I think there are maybe 4 that post regularly on here. Hardly an invasion.
I wasn't saying dex is or is not.
I'm just saying if you can't be bothered to assess someone's behavior, and just assume that any time someone has kind/unkind words, it's due to partisanship, that's lazy.
KGH-
wow!! haha. Don't worry though, Im sure that it will begin to thaw relatively soon. hahha
Flop, I think what's lazy/irresponsible is forming opinions on someone based on a 15 second video clip you may have seen.
You can film me being sane, nice, and kind for twenty seconds, it has happened. That doesn't mean I'm not an irredeemable asshole.
I've seen enough internet blathering to form the opinion that most class-no class arguments come down to what team you cheer for. Sure, there are shades of grey. But the majority of this type of discourse is shameless homerism.
Re: Feminist Invasion
4 is a lot to me. And you'll bring others. You always do. Soon we'll be discussing women's basketball here.
Berating a sideline reporter on national TV is not class.
Holding a very public grudge against the ADs in your conference for not voting you into the Rose Bowl 20 years ago is not class.
Saying, "The hell with Notre Dame" is not class.
Everybody let's their emotion get the better of them. It's just the degree to which it happens that matters.
Dex-
I won't be bringing others...the overwhelming majority of my friends are guys. I have about 2 female friends (female friends are too catty and dramatic for me) both of which are very uninterested in Michigan athletics.
paterno and bowden haven't been successful in back to back years this decade.
chow has.
the qbu history needs to be considered. the problem with tedford is his guys are pure system guys and have been complete and utter busts in the nfl. les doesn't have a history of developing qbs. neither does kelly, although he is a system guy which doesn't work in the nfl. the qb developing schools over the last 20 years are michigan and whatever school norm chow is currently coaching at. it is something to consider as he has also won more mnts than michigan has and actually found a way to make the clown shoe wearing ncst coach keep his job for 5 years too long.
haha pretty sure most of the women in here are Republicans (minus the libertarian here as we strangely discussed earlier). Feminism does not = women. and lmao @ "you'll bring others, you always do." btw IMO women's bball sucks.
pls no womens basketball.. however shameless volleyball plug, they're hosting ncaa tourney first round. friday, 730, cliff keen arena.
we are very good
(whispering)
I kind of like softball...
Which is why Loeffler should stay! muahahhaha i win BKWSDU!
I am the furthest thing from being a feminist. Hell, I freak out when I get on an airplane and there is a female pilot, I firmly believe that is a mans job. When I went to Australia it was 13 hours with a female upfront...worst flight of my life as far as knowing she was up there lol.
The women's bball team had a pretty good looking chick on its team when I was in undergrad. Tall as hell, blonde hair. If I was into chicks that were 7 inches taller than me and 45 lbs heavier, I would have totally stalked her uniqname and dropped her a line.
(whispering back: I watched a LOT of the softball tourney when Michigan made their run a few years ago)
same here MRG, but womens bball is heinous
ew 00goblue00 - hell is scorching hot again.
lifes a bitch. oh well. lol.
I mean, discussing football is a man's job. We should leave.
what the hell is wrong with women posting here? women bball does suck, but attractive girls who love michigan football are pretty awesome imo.
Also, baby whale is to whale as weis is to mangino.
00goblue00-- Saudi Arabia called, it wants you to move there.
I KID, I KID!!!!
UmichRich - I was being sarcastic.
seriously... I KID!
agree 00goblue00
why should we always have to turn the other cheek to guys like dantanio.
Hey, I'm fat. Give me some love...and some Tony Packo's chili dogs.
THWard-
lol thanks. That is really the only thing I get uncomfortable when a female is in charge. It's not like I'm anti female. I just don't buy into all the shit that we deserve crap because we are female.Just like affirmative action and shit...get it on your own merit not because of what you are....but that is an entirely different conversation and I'm sticking with football today because I don't want to get yelled at again lol.
GMB-
Dantonio is a prick. We will show what it costs to run your mouth with continued domination of his precious Spartans.
UMichRich-
Welcome to the long line of guys on here who find it hot that us girls on here know what we are talking about when it comes to Michigan football :)
Ah, if it was only as simple as "merit"--- I'll leave it at that.
I was only half-kidding, by the way. Saudi Arabia DID call me, but they want me to tell Mangino that he's no longer welcome in their country after eating the country's entire population of Ibex and hyenas
00goblue00
I love hanging out with the guys too. Girls night? No thanks.
Of course they can stay!
As long as they bring us sandwiches.
Can you imagine Mangino on a flight to Australia?
eh, I guess that female pilot got her license to fly a plane b/c she's a chick w/ no merit. Must've been the case. Opinion is entitled, but I love pointing out weak believe connections...it's what I do (and I'm ok with getting it back btw). Cognitive dissonance is not good.
kgh, sorry, was directed at dex.
Also, the Chow coaching thing seems like a huge risk. If it was some other school, the payoff might be worth it, but if chow is a bust here, we're pretty screwed.
But yeah, back to football.
and lmao @ chitown. Sandwich coming right up hunny!
chitown: I think that it would be lazy and irresponsible to form an opinion based on that, too. We're "in agreeance" there.
dex: I'm a Michigan fan. I think Lloyd is classy. So I guess I'm not going to be able to persuade you there. Although if what you say about homerism is true, as it may well be, that doesn't mean that class is meaningless. Only that others can't grasp its importance.
MRG: Yes, everyone does have bad moments. But there's a lot of data suggesting Lloyd's outburst (berating is not really an accurate or fair word) was the outlier. Whereas Weis' hubris and Tressel's "gamesmanship" seem to be part of a pattern, no? I didn't mean to suggest that one should cherry-pick.
Chitownblue
I can do better than sandwiches. Ive been told Im an outstanding cook lol.
GingellBrabbs-
Exactly. No thank you lol. Sometimes it's nice but not when it's 6+ and it becomes a bitch to try and talk because everyone is talking and giggling in a high pitched voice lol
Chow is also a Morman. Yay for diversity.
Proctor- Les did it against the semi-pro league known as the SEC. Lloyd would have been a consistant 6 loss coach there.
I know. My point was that complaining about Les having 3 consecutive 2-loss seasons and begging for Stoops and Tedford in the same post is absurd.
peace folks...i really have some studying to do this time...im serious this time! haha
00goblue00,
So you cook as well? Can your fiance please go to Vegas with me because he very, very lucky. lol
KGH-
I'm not into arguing political opinion on here. Plus I'm choosing to ignore because you and I disagree on everything so it would just be a long winded back and forth neverending crapshoot. Good luck with your studying!!
how is chow a risk? will he forget how to lead a team to score 40 points a game?
if he turns out to be a failure, in three years we are still Michigan and can hire a very good coach at that time. Right now there is unfortunately a paucity of great coaching prospects b/c all of the young (45ish) type coaches that have had success at big programs have also won national titles thus reducing the chance to hire them, see Stoops, Meyer and Carroll and Rich Rod is about to win one at WVU. If those guys hadn't won titles at those schools then they would be the lead candidates and since we cannot get a coach of their caliber and age why not roll the dice a little bit.
00goblue00
High pitched giggling is the worst!
I do remember a post a while back where a bunch of the females came out of the woodwork to say that they too read MGoBlog. We'er here, just getting more vocal. :)
can you guys please stop? there is no reason to have 600+ comments in all these threads when 300 of them are 00goblue00 paraphrasing the most basic details of michigans coaching search and the other 200 are people fawning over her. omg girls on teh interwebs! the signal to noise ratio is getting really low.
@ Flop:
I totally agree with you, that's why I mentioned the degrees. Although I view Weis more as a "dickhead" and less as "unclassy." Subtle difference in my mind. Anyway, I'm just sick of people treating the Michigan coaching staff as saints. The program is classier than most, but there are still moments.
chow is a risk because he has to squint
Giggle fests: -1
hahhaha this is the second time today Mark has hated on me. If you don't like it don't come here and read it....I offered to stop commenting in a previous blog...no one took me up on my offer, so obviously only you care...
your shininess will eventually wear off.
I fawned over 00goblue00 just now and was ignored... :'(
formerlyanonymous is risk because he's an idiot.
Chow's a risk because he's never been hc. Add on the fact that michigan is a large organization to take charge of. Basically, if it turns out he has problems with the additional responsibilities, it's really going to show.
Brian, as long as you've taken to sorting through message board rumors, any comment on this omnibus?
http://www.umgoblue.com/forum/to...?
TOPIC_ID=16069
Or this opinion piece?
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...TS06&
theme=CARR
http://becking.com/images/Misc%
2...sanheadline.jpg
Where Mangino goes, hilarity follows.
I didn't come here to be a shining star. It's a freaking message board for gods sakes. Do you honestly think I am going to cry myself to sleep tonight because people on a message board don't like me? I came here to discuss the head coaching probabilities. If people don't like it then don't respond back to me. As simple as that...
can you guys please stop? there is no reason to have 600+ comments in all these threads when 300 of them are 00goblue00 paraphrasing the most basic details of michigans coaching search and the other 200 are people fawning over her. omg girls on teh interwebs! the signal to noise ratio is getting really low.
+1
UmichRich makes good point on Chow, that is the only risk I really see and why I think it is nice to have Lloyd around as an aad along with english, who will be a hc and eddy o who has been a hc in a bcs conference. key is to build up a great staff around him as most expect he would only be around for 5-10 years. I would just love to see what he could do in that short window, as I expect he wouldn't have much problem with coaches that piss excellence, paint visiting team locker rooms pink and wear sweater vests.
It's not my fault I ate the Arkansas mascot. I had some bacon and the psychology of entrapment kicked in.
Seriously, these comment threads are fun because they go off topic. Sure the flirting might be a bit too far off topic but the jokes are fine. If Brian doesn't like it, he can say so. Otherwise I see no problem with anything that's happening here.
00goblue00-
Don't let anyone get under your skin.
you sound cute and some guys don't know how to converse or flirt with women. Keep on truckin' baby!
Brian Kelly for coach please, for me for Christmas, that's what I want!
SanDieGoBlue!!!
Any one else miss the good old days (two weeks ago), before Brian's comment sections turned into a overflow for the MLive or AOL Sports message boards. Sweet mercy...
when in rome, do as the romans.
I still think it will all blow over in another week or two.
Trust me Mick it's not under my skin. I find it funny is all.
and to Ryan-
Nothing in this thread was really flirting, not like yesterday at least with all the funny comments, but apparently my sub par coaching insights are getting to people. I guess if so many people thought that way they wouldn't agree with me and respond back to me huh.
Like I said, I don't need to come on here and post. I do it because I enjoy it. I can very easily stop...and have offered to...again no one has taken me up on my offer.
Brian Kelly to Michigan
Please go out of the box!
We need a mind like Brian Kelly
I guess let's just keep politics out. Sometimes people get biased and might totally discount your opinions even if you make good points just due to your political leanings.
--
3 words to describe prospectives:
Les Miles : balls, assistants, alum
BK : Offense, Win-baby, NFL-bolting.
Norm Chow : Old, Offensive-genius, Doesn't-translate-to-head coach.
Trgovac: Defense, Charlie-weis-experiment-is-flop, alum
Ferentz: Lloyd Carr, clone, sleepy
DeBord: ineptitude, zone-left, sleepy
English: defense-breakdown, intensity, OMG-spread
Tedford: offense, bad-defenses, players-mental-breakdowns
Chris Peterson: inexperience, gadget-plays, no-other-word
The winner is? Brian Kelly
I enjoy it when people name themselves the moderators of someone else's blog.
I ESPECIALLY love it when they simultaneously pull the "I knew about this before you, and am, thus, more deserving of my opinion" card.
I've been reading/commenting here for a year, and could care less about the new developments.
EEKS - excellent job of breaking the "3 word" rule by hyphenating that shit like crazy.
I want Desmond Howard to get a speeding ticket and become my little cell block bitch.
I'll take the job and win the big ten each year...and I wont do it by running to the left!
EEKS,
Do Mangino now.
00goblue00 - you're missing the point. you have every right to post here and discuss the coaching search. all I was saying is that your posts, in the rare instance they're on topic, are at best only marginally insightful and do not warrant the obsessive drooling they've generated because people are thrilled that it's a girl making them.
the dudes want to give candace parker here the slam dunk contest title because it's a girl... but I'm content to say the dunk was shitty and give it a low score. let's keep the same standards.
Does Ron English taste like fried chicken?
00goblue00
Don't stop posting. Everytime I see your name it gives me hope that there are attractive, well spoken, republican, football knowing 23 year old girls out there.
Also, waking up at 5am and seeing you posted some pics was surprising...I love the pic of Les getting his handfull...
So...uh...still engaged?
lol lol just kidding...kind of
lucky guy, though he probably feels inferior since you probably know more about football than he does
chitownblue '00, hehe..
Ryan, feel free. I don't have much information about Mangino .. But one word is "globular-cluster"
dropping in one more time b/c i cannot help it - thanks for the luck 00goblue00. You're very respectful regardless of us disagreeing, and I appreciate that. (Sorry for the girly post guys! haha)
How would I describe myself? Three words: Hard-working... Alpha Male... Jackhammer.
Merciless. Insatiable.
If Les Miles wasn't from Michigan, would he even be considered for this job?
Answer: No
So, this all hangs on him being an alum?
Go with the best coach, I don't care who that is, but I know it's not Les Miles
Mark - a month ago, it was Bend it Like Gingell stridently calling every pro-Lloyd person an "apologist" and demanding Magnus' resignation from the board, while everyone else tore each other apart with long, expletive filled posts, about whether the coaches were responsible for the shame of not blowing out MSU, or if it was the players - or even if it was shame. It was frequently ugly, and unpleasant.
At least now people are civil.
mark...i come to the posting board for laughs and entertainment...mark mangino jokes and witicisms.
I think there are a lot of other people here in my boat.
And yes, the fact that she's a female makes her a bit more interesting to me than the usual sausage danglers in here. I'm busted.
mark- i agree with both of your comments.
wolvalum- i miss those days too
With all of the fawning and food talk, I have to admit I've been waiting for the return of Vagan Varis offering up his miso (horny) soup to 00goblue00 lol
Mark-
Arguing online is ridiculous, but most of my comments have been on topic except last night yes they were not...Obviously you are the only one on here who has said they are marginally insightful, others do find them insightful otherwise they would not respond to them. I don't think it's them all drooling over the fact a girl said it. A lot of the posters that have agreed with me are posters who have been on here for a long time and who have great points to make. Get off your high horse, seriously.
00goblue00,
You're too nice for me to eat.
we need a coach to lead us out of this argument. a coach so profound that we michigan fans can return to being one close knit group. we need... someone, anyone, something.
Breaking news:
Mark Mangino recently learned that the Ponderosa Buffet previously on Washtenaw went out of business a couple years ago. He as officially removed his name from consideration. Deal breaker.
commonsense - I understand what you're saying, but I think one of the likability factors for Miles is that he IS an alum. Taking that factor away from him doesn't do the situation justice. We do it differently here, and that's a good and bad thing. Weighing in everything else Miles has accomplished, he's actually a pretty good candidate.
hey, at least the expletive-filled tirades were about football, and discussed issues relevant to more than just the two people discussing them.
anyway, i am perpetuating the problem here. carry on with the hunt, gentlemen. i will head to the AOL singles chat room to discuss capital one bowl selections.
3 words for Mangino:
fat-as-fuck-OMG, scary-fat, probably-tapping-Erin-Andrews
Brian Kelly
"So, this all hangs on him being an alum? "
Actually Yes. He knows how bad he needs to beat OSU, for instance.
Wolv in VA-
Thanks :) And actually, he knows more than me, he is the walking UofM football factbook.
00goblue00's fiance is a Mangenius.
Commonsense - Trust me, I like Kelly the most as well, but discrediting Miles isn't the way to gain respect for Kelly. If that's the two horse race we're dealing with here, I think it's win-win.
EEKS
And another coach wont understand how bad they need to beat Ohio State? I think they might pick up on it pretty quick- O like probably when they were five and started to watch College football.
Thats a weak argument
My five year old nephew enjoys Pokemon and talking about poo.
+1 JeremyB...
No.. For example, Charlie Weis said "Michigan is just another game" before the Mich game. A coach needs to embrace the tradition and rivalries. Charlie Weis is an extreme example. But we don't want any part of a coach who makes it business-like.
Ryan-
That he is!
And I think Mark is missing the point here that only last night was an off topic night of posting which yes I admittedly contributed to. We are back on topic here about Miles and Kelly with the occasional off topic slips. Again Mark, get off your high horse.
WolevineInVa,
Is your nephew Charlie Weiss?
I'm not discrediting Miles...I just dont put much stock in being a "Michigan Man"
I want a coach that can flat out call a game and manage a clock all while out coaching the other guy before the game even starts...that's BK
EEKS - the whole country knows how badly a UM coach needs to beat UM. That's a non-issue for his "alum" status. His alum status is great for many other reasons, but is just a small portion of why I like him for UM.
Mark - I agree with you, but there's not a lot of football happening right now that hasn't already been discussed ad nauseum. I'd expect it getting back to "normal" relatively soon.
kgh10
I do not kiss before the first date but acknowledge that was just your way of saying: "BKWSDU, you are right. Loeffler should pack it in when our savior arrives."
Charlie Weis is your example? That is not only a extreme example, but a really irrelevant example. Charlie Weis' arrogance is the cause of global warming, burning a hole in the o-zone n shit. I don't know if anyone can match that. Not to mention, saying "Michigan is just another game" is just a mental tactic, it doesn't actually MEAN that this is the case.
Have any of you watched miles for an entire game, more than two times this year? He's a great guy, but he's not the man BK is during a game.
That simple
I think Miles being an alum is very important to people.
On one hand, we want someone new who will invigorate a lethargic program. On the other, we want a Michigan man who loves the school and its traditions. Les Miles, to me, is the perfect mix of old and new, and I can't say that about any other coach out there who would meet our criteria.
our good friend John Cooper also said "Michigan is just another game" (he also said "Tim B is just another running back" at halftime while he was scorching them...)
Article from the South Bend Tribune as evidence that ND is looking for a new head coach!
http://www.southbendtribune.com/...28063/1129/
News
He actually said "he's not that good" regarding Timmy B. Plus, I think the next coach, whomever he is, will easily be run out of town if he said anything like that. Mark it down, stupidity like that is not repeated in this rivalry. Period.
Cooper still lives in Columbus, though, so we know he's retarded.
He actually said "he's not that good" regarding Timmy B.
You know, too much is made about that comment. His actual quote was "he's a good back, but he's not that good." -- the implication being that OSU's defense made Tim look like Earl Campbell.
He was right.
touche KGH - I didn't remember the exact quote, but put it in quotes anyways...
kgh10
If you watch Mich-ND 06 game online ( I think available in NBC online ). During the pre-game talk by announcers they noticed the difference in emotion. ND players were flat and Michigan players wanted it more. I think it's a direct reflection of the head coaching.
I too think it's a win-win situation .. the Miles vs Kelly thing. And it'd be sweeter if Kelly is lured by a bigger program other than a Big10 power or ND. ( because we don't have to face him. I watched Cincinnati vs Oregon State and it was decimation )
Brian Kelly would walk in, take our tallent and out x/o sweater vest all day long. He almost knocked off West V in his first try at Cin...Imagine him with Michigan's talent! The guy can flat out coach-O and did I mention it's fun to watch! Michigan is a huge draw on itself, imagine watching a game by kelly on national TV.
Plus the national media loves the guy, and everyone thinks Les Miles is an idiot(see the ARKANSAS comment)
Please,go with the coach, not the brother for ONCE!
Charlie Weis is an ND alum...so that doesn't automatically mean you "get" a rivalry obviously. Still, I understand your point in general EEKS.
Also, I find 00 far less annoying than the dudes that reply to her football comments with creepy pick up lines.
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I still think its ridiculous people think the are-kansas quote was the legitimate pronunciation.
the posts are insane here today, just trying to keep up....
re les miles and class:
michigan is les miles's dream job and he would be honored to have the position of head coach here. do you honestly think he would do anything to hurt the michigan program or reputation?? absolutely not! i think if he is michigan's head coach he will not only bring passion but also a profound respect for the program and team values. it might not be carr's definition of class, but miles would be classy in his own way.
re previous post by jh way up at the top somewhere about miles keeping injury reports hush hush--JH you've obviously never seen a carr presser and his stonewalling :)
re mallett:
agreed that mallett has a lot to work on. make that kid carry a football around all day every day a la the movie "the program". mallett has an "it" factor, an intangible thing that given the right coaching could make him great. watch the psu post game presser and see how excited he is to play and be in the michigan uniform. he's got skills, he just needs some time to let the game slow down for him so that he makes better decisions and sees open receivers besides mario. for an 18 year old kid who wasn't supposed to play this year i think he did about as well as can be expected
Les Miles grew up in Ohio did he not? I'm sure he had teachers K-12 pronouncing it Are-Kansas.
EEKS
What point do you have? Seriously!
You think a new coach at freaking MICHIGAN, wouldn't understand how big TOSU game is? You guys are nuts to believe that!
So, does Mark D. not get how big the MSU vs. UofM game is...? Common!
That is horrible logic!
everyone knows about "THE GAME"
i meant that to sound as if he stated it seriously.
Notre Dame is not our biggest rival and we aren't there's. I assure you he wouldn't have said that before the USC game.
Les Mile's 4th grade teacher in Ohio:
"Are-Kansas is a couple-two-three states under us. Illi-Noise is yonder left a bit. Now up and to the right quite a ways is Massa...Massach...nevermind that!"
I'm all for "Let er rip" but you cant tell me that Les Miles in known as a great (game day) coach! you cant!
He's aggressive- yes
He's runs and throws- yes
He can run a clock- no
he calls plays- no
les IS a CEO! The offense would depend on whoever he brings in!
Brian Kelly would do it himself!
Go with the coach, not the brother
wolverineinvirginia- i've actually heard people in virginia call it are-kansas...don't be too quick to judge
Okay...does anyone have any recent talk about Schiano or Tedford? I believe the Free Press today mentioned both of them. Serious candidates do you think? Lip-service? I'm not about to read all 600 posts to this thread...did I miss anything?
hcs...believe me, I'll me the first to tell you that.
I'm a recent Michigan transplant to Virginia (DC suburbs, so a bit more civilized). Born and raised in Michigan, graduated UM in '06.
*I'll BE the first to tell you that.*
Answer this Question-
How many (full) games of Les Miles coaching have you seen?
I bet five at most for any of you!
I've seen everyone this year, he's good, but he'll give you a heart attack along the way.
For once in my Michigan life I want a coach who I think is smarter than everyone else on the sideline...I want to know that my guy is xing and oing his butt off to with the game...not simply yelling alot and getting aggressive!
I like Les, But Brian Kelly is a pure guineas in waiting.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d.../711280433/
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most are still very skeptical on him.
How many (FULL)games have you seen Les Miles coach?
Simply type a number
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WiV - Schiano supposedly built a mansion on some special reserved Rutgers wilderness plot. Anyway, for all intents and purposes, he's not going anywhere but PSU. He turned down Da U last year, and he actually coached there, so feeling is he's not interested in Michigan.
Tedford has had zero "buzz" which I find odd. I don't like him much, but I thought there would be at least some Jim Grobe level ruminations, whom I've heard more about.
I don't understand what's wrong with being a CEO coach? So, you're telling me he's a good judge of up and coming coaching talent and is going to run a meritocracy instead of only giving jobs to his friends? I'd rather have a good coach that can put together a great supporting cast than a great coach who puts together a terrible supporting cast.
I'm sorry, apparently that goes against common sense. My bad.
TX
why in your logic will BK put together a bad coaching staff? why cant you have both?
So...I think this is going to be my last post. I'll give the people what they want and by people I mean the few idiots on here who think this board is theirs and can moderate it as they please. I will not have people tell me that my posts are moderately insightful every now and then. I came on here to discuss Michigan football and the prospects of a new coach. It's an exciting time! Thanks to everyone on here who was kind. I had fun agreeing and disagreeing with most of you.
For those of you who still want to "fawn and drool over me": You can e-mail me at: grenelle429@aol.com
Otherwise! Goodbye and Go Blue!!
You guys are operating in a fantasy world. Sure this year's LSU would be undefeated in the Big Ten, but Les won't be coaching LSU, where he inherited some incredible recruiting classes and 5* talent is always just around the corner. In the conference where lots of the premier players want to play.
He'll be coaching a Michigan team with a dilapidated S&C program and a balky fanbase, and probably losing his best recruiter, Larry Porter. If you had Les coaching this year's team, we'd probably lose 3 games instead of 4.
Remember, if Les got to bring his LSU squad with him, he'd be a surefire pick. But he doesn't. He wouldn't be undefeated in the Big Ten this year.
why cant you have both?
both, i like that idea. 2 head coaches???
I couldn't give you the exact count...I could if I wanted to look at a schedule and take the time. I think I've seen at least 5 LSU games this year. Being a bit more south than most of you I probably get more on TV.
Some times his teams look like machines...other times heart-attacks abound. I like his fire and his passion. I have only seen one Cinci game this year, but have heard great things about the offensive mind of Kelly. I am privy to a lot of info from CMU and some players he had there who will say the same thing. Character issues abound with him though it seems in the minds of many. I think the consensus is not nearly as many character issues with Miles. From that standpoint he is "safer" and much more the clone of Lloyd than Kelly that Martin seeks...other areas maybe not so much.
Do you really think the UM brass would be willing to embrace the offensive philosophies of Kelly though? Good as they may be.
I'm kind of torn between Kelly and Miles, I think either wouldn't be bad. I think Miles is a way more likely scenario at this point.
Commonsense - How many guineas are you suggesting we can sell BK for, and how do you suggest we get to the Outback to make this deal?
I can deal with Brian Kelly or Les Miles. to hell with Farentz. Mangino is fat, but seems fat people can coach ala rich majirus, andy reid, john madden. Carr shouldn't be trying to hurt the program by lobbying against Miles. Hell, he should be begging for it. He owes us after 8 years of dissapointment and mediocrity. I have also heard a rumor buzzing that Cam Cameron returning as OC....God please. Debord's firing should be televised to us hard core michigan fans. I hope the end result looks like this.
h/c Miles
o/c Cameron
d/c English
lol...
I would love to see Michigan pay Les to be CEO and BK 2 mil to be O.C
But that could never happen
00goblue00, that was not the point. 80% of the posts on here are 'moderately insightful at best.' i had no intention to curtail your posting.... was just commenting on the reception it got (and, imho, did not totally deserve). sheesh.
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666 comments!
Whoooo!
Hum, what did i walk into
Mark-
Okay..but that is not what you said, so don't try and turn the tables now and say most posts on here are less insightful.
Has Schiano said anything noting interest in the soon to be open PSU job? Just out of curiosity...
Just think...if we are having this much to say about UM...just think what the PSU boards will look like this time next year (possibly) with JoePa leaving after 128 years.
First of all, I don't remember saying that BK would put together a bad staff. But anyways, obviously if you can have a great coach with a great staff that's clearly the best situation (and why should I prove that BK can't put together a great staff? Prove to me that he can. Baseline assumption is that he cannot unless there is something to suggest that he can)
Anyways, I was simply reacting to the fact that being a CEO coach is a bad thing. He understands his weaknesses and surrounds himself with strong people. If I'm investing in a company, that's the kind of person I want to back.
00goblue00 please don't go! Don't let them get to you, I find every post here insightful and that's why I read and only contribute Mangino jokes lol
All you need is a revivify to cure zombie status. JoePa will coach forever
CEO coaching has a downside. What if Martin says "I'm not paying DeBord just so you can go get some other guy for the same job", very likely. Who says Les doesn't get all "Andy Moeller will stay on because I owe Gary Moeller something"- ish?
Since the topic of a 2-head-coach system was brought up (LM and BK)...what about a 4-headed-head-coach???
Charlie Weis + John Cooper + John L. Smith + Joe Paterno.
Those guys know how to get Michigan to beat ND, OSU, MSU and PSU as well as anybody!!
problem with tedford is he is a gimmick coach and his players have not proven anything in the pros. mgoblog obvoiusly disagrees with that basic premise, but cal hasn't landed a top tier qb recuirt with a "qb guru" so don't see that changing.
most big east fans see schiano coaching at psu in a year, which should terify us as if we have a worse coach than psu we could be doomed to 8-4 indefinately.
worst coach is trgovac, who has led a great Panthers d with Peppers to 10 sacks in 11 games this year, likely to be fired by Panthers at end of season.
peterson is high risk-high reward, runs spread option we should think about and a well run spread option opens itself up to easily performing gadget plays. beat a top 5 talent team with top 50 level talent in bowl game, who knows what he does with talent, it has worked ok for urban meyer. one thought on peterson is would you rather he coach at michigan or end up at another big ten school in 5 years time and spread us to death. guessing ferentz gets canned in next 5 years at iowa...
You guys are hopeless! PLEASE go out and get your old man Lester, thanks for securing our future for the next fifteen years :-)
The guy is good man, but a bad coach, just like your boy Lloyd!
I tottaly agree that Kelley is a shady guy, you better stay away from him. wow-you guys get a brand new sports car dropped in your lap (Brian Kelly)and your going to turn it in for Les? wow, only Michigan!
Joe Pa hasn't coached in several years according to many PSU insiders. He is put out on the sidelines as a "face" ever wonder why he isn't wearing headphones??????
L-Ville Wolverine,
Yeah. They're going to fire Trgovac... even though they're a top 5 defense during his tenure, one bad year and he's out. sounds realistic.
wolverineinvirginia- didn't question your michigan pedigree. i'm in NoVa as well hence my virginia knowledge. schiano isn't going anywhere. the OC coordinator at psu has been running the show there for the last couple of years and i fully expect him to take over when joepa is done being a figurehead.
p.s
WE OWEN YOUR A$$
YEAH BABY
hcs...where in NoVa? Come join me for libations!
Ryan,
That's not the argument that I was putting forth. I was saying that if Les is a CEO coach AND puts the best people on his staff, then that's a good thing. If he's leaving Andy Moeller on because he "owes" something to Gary, then obviously nobody wants that.
trgovac has yet to have the experience in the HC yet. same thing was mentioned of chow (umichrich) earlier.
hahaha
"p.s
WE OWEN YOUR A$$"
Dude...since you ran the spellcheck on "THE" and "BABY" you might as well do it for the rest of the post.
How long have you been a professor at OSU?
I never said "Hire Trgovac" I said he wont be fired by the Panthers. And to be honest, I like him more then Kelly.
Bill Martin did back off of the statement that he only wanted someone with HC experience. He still highly prefers that, but it's not going to be a requirement. FWIW
More from DetNews Chengelis' article this morning, but interesting when considered from the "what might happen to McGuffie?" angle, since Fred Jackson has been reportedly the man most instrumental in securing his commitment... (also interesting that these are all the offensive, skill position coaches... read: guys dealing with the team egos):
"There are no fears of unemployment for the men on this staff if they are not retained by the next head coach. Many have told me they fully expect Jackson, Erik Campbell and Scot Loeffler to be coaches who likely will be offered staff positions, and all three of those make complete sense."
The return of the haiku (first and only of the day, I promise)...
Streets smelling of piss
Athletes driving Escalades
The Buckeyes live here
This is what I love, maybe I cant spell, but O can we kick your A$$ in football!
Admit it- We have gone new school and Michigan is sticking in there old school ways with Les. You know your pissed! you guys are two years away from being Nebraska!
with les you get more of the same, with Kelly you could start to be like us! But thank God Bill Martin will never let that happen!
Enjoy your "principles" and we will enjoy kicking your A$$ each year!
Pitiful.
When Will OSU be busted for the whole giving money to players. Clarett came out and said " i worked for tressel's brother and got paid for never working." The former basketball coach was proven to be giving players money. Hell Our basketball program still is on life support from the fab five. I can't wait for THE osu to go through it
\Tony Packo's chili dogs.//
Hey, wait...that place is REAL??? I thought it was just on an episode of "M*A*S*H" once.
Is there actually an Adam's Ribs in Chicago, too?
head coach experience i think is still vastly important. i'm less concerned on what level of coaching, 1A, 1AA, even pros. Id prefer college.
@ Other Chris-
yet oddly hilarious as well...
Hire Kelly Now
We Don't Want Another Bo
Zero Championships
Yes, there was an Adam's Ribs on Dearborn St.
OSU boy,
I agree that you guys have gone new school and are better for it, and that you have been the better team for a few years now.
But, may I respectfully invite you to go find some friends for a good ole' fashioned buckeye circle-jerk.
Brian is going to need a commenter screener soon enough. Here's hoping I get grandfathered in.
Hey T-
Back off, you need LES! It's written in stone up there, "thou shal be a michigan man" and bla bla bla...
again, enjoy it you incestuousnesses, stuburn, old school losers
hes going to either switch to wordpress or turn on google comments rather than halo
wolverineinvirginia- clarendon. careful, 00goblue00, might get jealous.
TX Wolverine- i know martin prefers head coaching experience, but wouldn't you agree that for a place like michigan in today's college football world it really should be a requirement? we deserve the best and to be the best you have to prove yourself
re mcguffie--i heard ryan "big tex" mallett had a big part in recruiting mcguffie. he'd be an idiot not to keep his commitment with the chance to play as a true freshman.
ok, i'll be on my way!
but seriously, I do feel for you guys, if my school was so stuburn i would be ticked.
good day
hcs,
I'm with you, I personally think HC experience should be a requirement at UM. I was merely stating that Martin had said it was not going to be a requirement.
Hmmm...He was awful quick to embrace that invitation.
What's with this "The OSU" bullshit. You guys sound so insecure that you need to put "The" in front
of your school. Shut the hell up you're boring and stupid and scared to death to see who we hire.
Lllloyd is gone and it's over for you!
How do you get an Ohio St. grad off your porch.....pay him for the pizza!!!
Tony Packo's is real! It's a Toledo legend.
http://www.tonypackos.com/index.php
fox is on everyone's top 5 list of coaches to be fired at end of year by panthers. generally the dcs get canned too when the hc is fired. fox is getting fired b/c his team has underperformed this year. nobody expected the offense to perform, so clearly it is the d. who coaches the d?
hcs - Miles didn't offer him at LSU (possibly cause they're still after Darrell Scott) and now there are hard feelings b/w Miles & Mcguffie.
TX wolverine -
My understanding is that the search committee has decided to exclude all assistants. So while it may not be clear from the press conference, I believe that rule is still effectively in place.
What offensive style do you want in the next head coach?
Is it time to be a Florida, WV, Cin, Oregon?
What does Les do at LSU?
Here's my concern about Les. Michigan fans aren't being objective when it comes to his coaching ability because we have dreams of a Michigan Man returning home and leading us to our greatest glories. But look at the assessments of non-Michigan fans when it comes to Miles and Kelly. Fans of teams we play almost all seem to want us to hire Miles. Meanwhile they seem to be a lot more concerned with the possibility of us getting Kelly. LSU fans are split on Miles. The rest of the SEC doesn't seem to think much of Miles, even though LSU has done very well in the SEC the last 3 years. Kelly seems to strike a lot more fear in fans of our rivals than Miles does. This concerns me. I think with Kelly we could be looking at a young Spurrier. We don't want to miss out on that and we sure as heck don't want Notre Dame or another Big 10 team picking him up instead. We could be making a big mistake if we pass up on him for Miles.
Amen PT
lolz @ the following..
- Norm Chow as UM coach
- Mangino
- People thinking I have a problem with women posting here or discussing football...I'm just very sarcastic. Don't be offended my fellow UM fans.
- People complaining about the number of comments.
- People complaining about off-topic comments, despite the fact we've parsed every square inch of the coaching search backwards, forwards, sideways, upside down, and diagonal over the past week to the point where we are discussing Norm Chow.
I think the 800 comment posts will calm down when we have a coach and the basketball season sets in.
@All the tuberville questions -
I'm no sure if anyone has mentioned this yet - but he just got an extension, he isn't going anywhere.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3131901
Furthermore he's a southern guy like Spurrier I highly doubt he'd ever coach up North,
T- did mcguffie seriously consider lsu to begin with?? if mcguffie is pissed at miles he needs to get over himself. there would still be a place for him in a miles run offense (see jacob hester) and he would get action early in his career
RHammer,
Jackson allegedly hates Les, too. I tried to think of a good story about Laurie Carr but nothing was coming lol
very well said, dex
basketball needs to kick in a lot faster
This place is turning into a sausage fest even Mangino wouldn't enjoy.
There is no sausage fest on Earth that Mangino wouldn't enjoy.
**Reports: Kelly to interview with Nebraska
http://media.www.newsrecord.org/...a-
3118201.shtml
Correction to dex:
There is no thauthage fetht on earth mangino wouldn't enjoy.
So some of the current coaching staff, who have worked with him in the past, hate him. Fans of other teams think he's a buffoon who isn't a very good coach. Everyone thinks he's a meathead. He has questionable ethics on the recruiting trail. And a good percentage of his current fanbase seemed to be ambivalent about him leaving...and that was when they were ranked #1.
Tell me again why Les Miles should be our coach? Because he goes for it a lot on fourth down? Because he loves Michigan and Bo and is passionate? Because he hires good coordinators? Please tell me there is something more.
Tom Osbourne is not going to hire a coach who throws the ball.
Good point, but he's still getting a look. It's only a matter of time before he's at a big program. The guy is a winner
Common Sense, kgh10, other Kelly supporters:
Does Kelly call his own plays on offense? In addition to being the Head Coach, is he the Offensive Coordinator? Did I catch that from an earlier comment?
That's a big no-no in my book, FWIW. The head coach should be the field general, so to speak, ready to assist any of the coordinators, and ready to make the big call based on his "feel" for how the game is going (e.g. 4th down go-no go, more/less passing, more/less blitzing, etc.)
I'm not really enthused about a head coach that's too involved with the minutiae of one side of the ball to the point that he loses sight of the big picture. I know some head coaches are able to make it work (Spurrier, Rodriguez, Tedford), but there are a lot of Head Coaches who fail fail fail at that (Moeller, Dubose).
Is Brian Kelly the OC as well as the HC?
Boy we certainly stay true to our Michigan roots huh? Complaining about the number of posts, and the fact that there are now women among us? Kinda old school don't you think? Should we re-hire Carr as well and run, run, run, punt?
Grow up fellas....This is a blog
Coaching search when we knew Lloyd's retirement was coming = Miles, Miles, Miles.
Coaching search after Lloyd's retirement speech = Miles or Ferentz.
Coaching search after Ferentz is apparently out = Miles vs. Kelly.
Guys (and 00) you are missing that there are at least 2 or 3 more candidates (no, not Debord and English) who have a realistic shot.
Rich Rodriguez. Jon Gruden. Mike Trgovac. Schiano. Tedford.
Why is everyone so sure that RRod is not in this? He signed a new contract extension -- which LOWERED his buyout. He looks ready to leave WVU. He almost did it last year w/Alabama.
Gruden has been rumored to want to coach a college program. Alabama apparantly was interested in he and Saban last year. It is not a foregone conclusion that he would not consider the job. And, yeah, if he had wanted the ND job, it would have been his rather than Mangino Jr. What you can gather from the ND quotes is that he is interested in the tradition and atmosphere of college football -- Tennessee, Michigan, Nebraska. I don't believe you should write him off so quickly.
And, Tedford, while not my choice is going to be ready to bolt from Cal unless they get the stadium deal done out there. His game decisions make me cringe, but he is (ok -- shoot me now) a **class guy** with a great record.
USC might be moving their home games to the Rose Bowl.
Any thoughts?
USC negotiating to move their home games to the Rose Bowl.
Any thoughts?
If Tom Osborne, who is allergic to the forward pass and seems determined to have Nebraska return to its smashmouth glory, is giving Kelly a serious look, doesn't that tell us something about what other programs and coaches think of Kelly? At the very least, we have to interview this guy.
Shit double post. Sorry
PT,
The fact that MSU and Iowa State passed on him should tell you how he has some problems.
Rich Rod would like to leave, as proven last year. But also as proven last year, WVU will rework his contract and give him whatever he wants at any given moment. I'm good friends with a WVU alum who has said that the alum and boosters would burn down the AD and Pres's house and eat their children if they allowed him to leave. I mean...really...what else does WVU have to hang it's hat on anymore?
The Detroit Red Wings/Tigers plane is a DC-9...the athletic department frequently get use of this plane for away trips, etc...
Ryan,
That was before he had coached at a BCS school. He's created a level of excitement at Cincy that they haven't seen, perhaps ever.
Plus, after freewheeling John L, Sparty was probably looking for a more conservative coach. I have no clue about ISU.
i read that about USC too--they are getting waaaaay too comfortable in the rose bowl. hopefully UCLA beats them this weekend and puts them back in their place.
re richrod, i think if/when white and slaton move to the nfl this year he would look at coaching elsewhere. i think he stayed last year for his players (the $$ helped too)
WHy the hell is Rothlesburger on tv wearing an oklahoma sweatshirt can someone answer that for me?
My only guess is that as an Ohio native he wants Choke-lahoma to beat Mizzou to land the bucks in the title game?
PT,
Am sure Kelly will get an interview. How the interview goes will determine whether or not seriously considered. However, I believe he will only be a possibility if Miles is out of play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h?
v=NI_XyHV4dmU
Big Ben's sister plays basketball for OU. He said at the beginning of the interview that the sweatshirt had nothing to do with football...just support for his sister. Awwwww, he's a big softy!
Michigan is buying out Charlie Weis' contract and bringing him on. Here is all the proof you need:
http://flightaware.com/live/flig.../flight/
MES3052
It's Detroit, though. Charlie could be heading to EMU in the grand tradition of Gerry "At a MAC school my sitty record will be appreciated" Faust.
shitty*
WVU obviously wants to keep RRod. But, realistically, they can't afford him. Morgantown is a pit. And, he'll be moving along, probably this year or next. He's making less than Lloyd did. And he has a very doable buyout. He is a legit candidate. I'm not sure I want to run the spread option, but as with Beilien, you've got a coach who is uniformly known for excellent coaching. I think our AD is interested in that.
"Please,go with the coach, not the brother for ONCE!"
Commonsense | 11.28.07 - 4:32 pm |
So - you're against Ron English being the next head coach?
Woverine Steve '91,
What I like about RRod is that you can claim he has a UM connection through Nehlen. Not a strong one, but one.
Who's Nehlen?
Are we allowed to go back to respecting Bill Martin (and the administration)? I might be an apologist for believing in Martin to do a thorough job. Mary Sue Coleman took an absolute beating by the fan base, apparently because of a.) best case scenario, Lloyd Carr's opinion of Ferentz, or b.) worst case scenario, a fabricated rumor propagated with little factual basis. Either way, I am surprised that the women of the board don't seem to mind that any women of power making a decision (even if not directly involved) are assumed to be sleeping with her inferiors. I don't know of what she has done wrong, maybe I missed something. If so, please fill me in.
Even if Martin makes the wrong decision, I don't think that it is going to be procedurally incorrect. I fully expect us to take our time and roll through the proper number of candidates and minority candidates. I respect Brian, but never fully bought into the Ferentz offer because of the speed of the process. This isn't Mississippi or Texas A and M. Do we have a history of making rash decisions? I would say that we err on the other side, of taking too long and being too careful.
Don Nehlen was WV's legendary head coach and a former Bo assistant.
@old fan
I don't think anyone actually believes MSC is sleeping with inferiors. My particular sense of humor just finds those types of jokes funny, mostly because they're so absurd.
@wolverine in va.
-thanks for the Big Ben shirt update.
If Rich Rodriguez is "gettable," then I say we talk to him. As I've said before, I'm not troubled by big names saying 'no' to us, but maybe I'm naive about the politics of it all.
And I would be tickled if we ended up snatching WFV's basketball AND football coach, all in less than a year. Suck on THAT, Appalachians!
GingellBrabbs,
That's cool. I actually thought that your comments were funny. I was picking up real hatred for Martin and Coleman in general, just used that comment as as example. I wasn't meaning the comments from you were the reason, just from the board as a whole. I actually think we are in decent hands for this search, I just don't think there are great options out there (save for Rodriguez, Stoops, and some other difficult to extract choices). When two limited track record coaches from GVSU are the top choices, I think many of us feel the same way. I am all for going after someone when they screw up (like saying Navarre was a top rated recruit), but wanted to know if I missed something that made the fan base turn against MSC and Martin, other than the rumor.
I heard that Jerry Glanville, current head football at Portland State University is going to be heading to A2 for an interview. He was born in Ohio and played MLB at Northern Michigan, graduating in 1964. The source has not previously reported info, but the placement and access of the source gives some credibility.
@Coach
Jerry Glanville's Pigskin Football for
sega was an awesome game... but Fielding Yost has a better chance to be the UM head coach next season than Glanville does.
@old fan
No offense taken - I don't even know if I made any comments at all about MSC. I don't think I did, just saying that I think they're funny and no real harm done.
As for the board as a whole, I think people have a tendency to panic and say some scathing things about Martin/MSC/Lloyd that reflect short term, "oh my god I can't believe they are going to do that!" feelings rather than long term "they do a pretty decent job" feelings.
Here's a name: Steve Mariucci
No, I'm not advocating him as the choice, but I'm surprised he hasn't at least been mentioned for any openings in college football lately.
Discuss...
As for RichRod, Slaton is gone, but White is back and Noel Devine is gonna be awesome. That keeps his backfield stacked, so he's gonna be good next year at WVU. I wouldn't mind having him, but running the spread scares me a little, seems to different. I wouldn't mind having it for a few series a game or running it when we're behind, but to rely on it seems much. Maybe he, Kelly, and other spreaders can adjust to that...
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@R-Lew
After watching Mariucci coach the lions, I don't want him near any Michigan team unless that team is MSU.
Mariucci's best attribute is that he's a good Upper Peninsula boy.
I ask this question because I'm totally ignorant, is Rich Rodriguez widely regarded as a very good coach? I sort of thought that a lot of his success coincided with the awesomeness of Pat White and Steve Slaton. I don't remember hearing about him prior to the last few years. Although it's certainly possible I did, and just wasn't paying attention.
oldfan,
Personally, I have been skeptical of MSC's involvement in coaching searches since she attempted to keep Tommy Amaker because she was friends with his wife. After seeing someone demonstrate such a selfish approach to a program-affecting decision, the Ferentz rumors just seemed to be too much.
Gnarls,
At the very least he's excellent at recruiting for the talent needed in his system. See Noel Divine.
Also, one can't help but be impressed by Ryan Mundy's transformation from Michigan to WVU.
If there is one thing we can take from the past years of college coaching changes, it's that nothing is for sure.
The shot in the dark that the "fan base" does not necessarily love - see Sweater, Vest.
The "sure thing" that will bring prosperity, national championships and total dominance - see Weis, Charlie
The guy that couldn't make it in the big leagues but created a dynasty in college... etc etc.
Say it with me folks: WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS GOING TO BE A GOOD COACH 5 YEARS FROM NOW!!!
All of this is great fun, and a nice distraction from the horrible season. But really... how can we actually say one guy is better than another?
Should have been:
Vest, Sweater.
Don't mean to insult anyone.
Damnit!
*points at Ferentz* hahahahahaha!
does anyone know when brian will post tOSU UFR? not that i'm really looking forward to being depressed after reading about how much we sucked...
RichRod is a good coach, IMO, because WFV was reaaaaally s--tty when he walked in there. They've been contending and winning Big East titles for awhile, but it got a lot easier once Miami left/started to suck.
I love the spread option, and I'm hoping the next coach brings it here. It's still a pretty "safe" offense, since you're focused on running the ball, and it's deadly when your athletes are better than theirs (e.g. the entire Big 10 except OSU). I predict it's going to steadily expand to more and more programs. It's not a fad, and it will grow to become an accepted "mainstream" offense in about 3-5 years, IMO. I think Michigan should get on board sooner rather than later.
The only problem with it is that injuries to the QB probably happen more often and linger longer than a more conventional system, but I think if you combine the spread offense with a powerhouse program with QB depth (like Michigan), then the injury factor can be mitigated. Besides, as we saw this past year, injuries will happen regardless.
PFFFFFTTT!!!
Excuse me. Fried wolverine gives me bad gas - especially when I eat one right after dinner.
Anyone see the Rosenberg story in the Freep? Apparently, going after Tedford would be a good idea. CFN thinks Bob Stoops would do well in AA. I'm guessing Mandel comes out tomorrow saying UM should go after Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer.
Charlie, can I get some of that?
Hey, Mack Brown wouldn't be a bad choice. Maybe that's Friday's column.
Hey guys, what's this 'Coney Island hot dog' they have in Michigan? I just might apply!
Totally off topic:
Zoltan the Great is sitting right by me at the business school. It appears he doesn't need to plug in his laptop nor touch the keys.
Oh, and his mind waves suggest to me that Wayne Fontes is our next coach. All Hail Z!
old fan: not sure why I'm wasting my keystrokes because we already went through this. I showed you a source and provided you with a link that clearly showed John Navarre as the #5 Pro-Style QB in his recruiting class. This was in response to when you attacked my credibility. Do you need me to send it for a third time? Recall, you choked on it for a minute and said something like: "Ah, you still want to stick with that comment then?" And the answer was "YES, because it was there in writing" ARGHHH!
Sorry to remind you but earlier you admitted that you were wrong about the entire season and you still have the nerve to say you were right in attacking the John Navarre was a top-rated QB prospect comment.
You need a dose of perspective and some humble pie. Stoops & Rodriguez would be your choice but why the heck would they leave for the UM job? Personally, I'm not in awe of either one of these guys. BUT their personalities fit with what you seemingly liked so much about Carr. A lot of us don't want ANOTHER Carr OR another Bo for that matter. We get it, you're in to the safe bets. But just because a guy hasn't won at a major DI program for a lifetime doesn't mean he's not worth a shot. Do you think Stoops and Rodriguez were well-known coaching icons when they got their shot? Of course they weren't.
I can't believe you brought up the John Navarre thing again. Unreal.
I would be very happy with either BK or LM. I think both of these men would represent a very positive change for UM Football and take us in the direction all of us want, and expect, it to go.
However, I am partial to Miles for one major reason. This is the endgame for him. I can't say the same for Brian Kelly. In fact, I think Brian Kelly has much bigger aspirations--namely the NFL.
For Miles, this is the only job that he has ever wanted. And I don't know about all of you, but I am not particularly fond of this process of searching for a coach. With Miles, we don't have to worry about going through this again in three years because Brian Kelly just took the Patriots job opening after Belichick decided to retire with his One Super Bowl Ring For Every Day of the Week. (BK is a Boston native.)
And I have read the questions regarding 'what has Miles won' and I get it. He didn't deliver a National Championship to LSU. But he did get LSU to two 10 win seasons (05 and 06) and that was a first in LSU history, as surprising as it is. And he now has a third. He also has the highest win percentage (.861) of any LSU coach (including Saban.) I think that says something at a football program like LSU.
And as far as understanding rivalries, Im pretty sure the man understands *our* rivalry but he also posted an impressive record over the Sooners when he was at Okie St with inferior talent. Something Ferentz *cannot* do with the Iowa State rivalry.
As I said, I will be extremely happy with either Brian Kelly or Les Miles. But Michigan prides itself on being a stable program and not going through coaches like Britney goes thr...well we won't go there. I'm just trying to say that this process SUCKS and I don't want to go through it again in the near future so I want the man that will stay.
Those Who Stay Will Be Champions
Why would Rich Rod want to leave West Virginia? Isn't it his alma mater? Maybe that is his dream job. Didn't he pass up the big bucks at Alabama to stay at WV?
Tressel to the Bengals*
*rumor I just made up, spread it around.
I just finished scrolling through the comments and felt compelled to post. Just for the record, I am a woman (as most of you know), but I'm damn well NOT a Republican. I'm a lifelong Democrat who is married to a liberal chemical engineer (yes, it seems I found the only one).
I'm not an especially hard-core feminist, but it bugs the hell out of me when people (not just men) say women don't know anything about football or shouldn't comment because they've "never played the game."
Fortunately, my guy friends are enlightened individuals and not the mouthbreathers you often see on the main football boards (Rivals/Scout). I've found the guys on this site pretty cool, but then again, I'm into sarcasm and bullshit. ;)
Being a Michigan fan in Southern Louisiana, I have heard alot of rumors about Les Miles going to Michigan. To be honest with everyone, Michigan would be better off without Miles as HC. His (10) win seasons came with Saban's recruits. Even Ferentz could have had (10) win seasons with the talent LSU had and still has. Also, his teams do not play with discipline. LSU is one of the most penalized teams in the nation. That is a direct reflection of the coach. The Boosters at LSU are hoping he goes to Michigan so they can bring in Spurrier or (I never thought I would hear this) Saban. I for one hope we do not get Miles as our new coach.
Later
Dogg
Houma, LA
Let's get this straight Brian Kelly ...
Rodriguez - not a good coach
Stoops - not a good coach
Liking them is apologetic to the program. Wanting coaches with a proven track record (with a national championship, 2 time national coach of they ear, and 4 of 7 Big 12 championships) is to want to drag down our program with our views.
And Navarre was your example of our coaches not developing talent.
Just checking my facts.
Keep it up. Entertaining.
\running the spread scares me a little//
>
The thought of running the spread offense at UM gives me a hard-on the size of the Chrysler Building.
We don't have to worry about recruiting Navarrasaurus Rex to play QB anymore...we can get the mobile guys, but we can still get the big slow white guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady (who pass for thousands of yards and scores of TD's from a spread formation). Seriously, what's not to like?
"RichRod is a good coach, IMO, because WFV was reaaaaally s--tty when he walked in there."
I think Rodriguez is a damn good coach, but the WVU program he took over can in no way be described as shitty.
In 2001 Rodriguez succeeded Don Nehlen who was so shitty he's basically a legend in Morgantown. Nehlen took two undefeated teams into bowl games in '88 and '93. His final five seasons were 8-4, 7-5, 8-4, 4-7, and 7-5. I agree these aren't eye-opening, but shitty more accurately describes what's been happening in South Bend.
Gutz4H - I have enjoyed your's and the other women's postings here. I also appreciate some of the lighter side of the postings, particularly like now when solid info is in short supply and all we have is speculation or outright BS. I am also amazed (and humbled) at the knowledge that your sex display here on M football. Well, at least I know and remember (sort of) teams before you were born!
But about WV's Rich Rodrigez (sp?) who has been mentioned here a number of times. My younger brother is, yes, an OSU alum and living in cinci, and has stated to me on several occasions that Rodrigez is "scum." I haven't heard anything substantive. Has anyone else??
@BD:
I think it goes back to Pacman Jones and Chris Henry who are two of the biggest dirtballs the NFL has ever seen. I'm not exactly sure what that has to with their collegiate experience, unless they were in trouble in Morgantown as well. I honestly don't remember. Noel Devine isn't an angel either, although I probably unfairly ripped on him earlier in the season and he's had severe family problems.
I also think many feel that he played WVU against 'Bama to get a raise/extension.
Again, those are just my impressions as I haven't followed that program too closely.
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RRod is known throughout football as the father of the spread, in answer to your question about his coaching ability. He developed it whatever small college he was at before WVU.
Ryan-
ya right. I'm not going to stay off here because some people don't find my posts enlightening enough...screw that...just wanted to play a little game for a few. I don't even know if that e-mail still works lol.
And to HCS what the hell would I get jealous at Wolverine in VA for???
"Rich Rod would like to leave, as proven last year."
???
So you're telling us that Rich Rodriguez—who grew up in West Virginia, was an all-state football player from North Marion High, winning a state championship in 1980, who lettered three years at WVU playing for Nehlen, who was a volunteer assistant coach for Nehlen, who coached at Glenville State in West Va. for seven seasons, and who is now coaching at his alma mater—would like to leave WVU?
Alabama came calling and made a big offer to him. WVU ponied up a bit more money, end of story. If Rodriguez had wanted to leave, he would have left.
If there is anything in Rodriguez's statements or actions that indicates he wants to leave the college he played for and the state he grew up in and has raised a family in, show us that information.
Brian,
I for one, am glad you have not posted the UFRs for the OSU game.
Please save me the pain of having to read every single play again - Do not do the UFRs! Because if you post it, I will read it. And that will make me sad.
Could you update us on what, if anything, is going on with Tedford? Are there any rumblings out there on the left coast about him leaving?
Thanks. Keep up the good work. The whole Ferentz thing was pretty fun this week. Scary.... but fun.
MRG - Thanks. I heard that as well. But I was wondering about something more, substantivie, I guess, regarding either recruiting or, shall we say, athlete retention and compensation. Just impression/gut feeling, but then again that may be all that my brother has based his impressions.
My biggest fear is that the next head coach will be someone totally uninspiring, like either Ferentz, or God forbid, DeBord. That would be so... so... well... Michigan.
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but ESPN just said that LSU has granted Michigan permission to talk to Miles.
chill out 00goblue00, it was a joke related to the comment below. you might have missed it with the millions of posts today.
hcs...where in NoVa? Come join me for libations!
WolverineInVirginia | 11.28.07 - 5:02 pm
@ben
link?
Is it on espn.com or was it on TV?
Harbaugh,
I just heard it on ESPNews by Pat Forde. I checked ESPN and there isn't a link yet. It must've just come out.
@jim harbaugh
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/index
look under team news (but on the front page)
old fan: I give up. You're just too thick. I never said Stoops or Rodriguez were bad coaches. You may need to re-read my post 10 times but the point was that neither of these guys is probably attainable or even necessarily better than what IS attainable.
My point about Navarre, back in the day, was that he never was a good QB at UM despite having some recruiting services rank him pretty high. And yes, he was not developed at UM, probably because he couldn't be developed. He sucked. My point several weeks ago was that he should have never been our starting QB for 4 years but Carr, the lackluster but highly respectable and classy coach that he was, stuck with him through thick & thin.
Again, I remind you of your words from a few weeks ago, "BKLM, you have lost all credibility because you say that John Navarre was a highly ranked QB prospect." I showed you the link on the mgoblue.com website with his profile that had him ranked as the #5 Pro-Style QB in the nation coming out of high school. For whatever the f* reason you bring that up AGAIN as a valid reason to attack someone on this board (who would make that comment). I could care less of whether you think my opinion is credible or not, it's just the pure ignorance that drives me up a wall.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3132538
Or you could do this. Oops.
@mgobleu
thanks for the link.
now every plane from LA. to MI. means miles is on board.
I'm comin home...WOOOOOOO
I just heard from an inside source (my anus, the part just before it becomes external) that Miles is gonna be our coach as of Wednesday of next week.
Hah, look at the first comment on that espn link
I feel like I just scooped Brian. I need my own blog.
Wait, I'm not smart. Or funny. Or know how to use the internets.
Nevermind.
Ben-
Well if that is true, that sure is good news. In my book at least. Hopefully some of the sites will update on it more before the end of the night. Thanks for the info!
\I also think many feel that he played WVU against 'Bama to get a raise/extension.//
My understanding was that he did that very thing, but only to make sure that his AD followed through on an agreement they'd made earlier to bunmp up the salaries of his coaching staff. I don't have a problem with a guy using his influence, real or perceived, to help take care of the guys who owe their livelihoods to him. That's a degree of loyalty that Coach Carr would no doubt appreciate.
The first bigtime program he used the spread option offense with was when he was OC at Climpson (spelled phonetically for the South Cackalckey-impaired)...Woody Dantzer was his QB, and he did play a few years in the NFL, though not as a quarterback. For what it's worth, he also got his degree from CU.
@BD: Sorry, I don't have good dirt on him. Maybe you can ask Beilein!
@Don: You're absolutely correct. If the money is relatively equal (and WVU has proven they'll match about anything) he stays in Morgantown. Not too mention the fact that he's in the Big East and has maybe two or three tough opponents per year.
@00: Welcome back. You're just in time for good news.
@anon
what does the comment say? I get an error message.
"Welcome to Ann Arbor Les, now go beat Tressel!"
M basketball . . . geez, can't you rebound a missed FT by the other team? Three times we gave up offensive rebounds on FTs. Ugh.
MRG-
Wasn't going anywhere don't you worry :) Some people might not think my posts are insightful enough but give me a break these blogs are all in good fun!! They don't have to be serious all the time. Hopefully by next week we will know who our new coach is!
Interesting that people rip on Navarre, considering his last game at Michigan was Lloyd's only win against thesweater vest:
http://www.mgoblue.com/football/...e.aspx?
id=40414
@mk
Navarre also won a bowl game and had the infamous waterbowl stampede so he's ok in my book... but boy did he suck in 2000/2001.
So was the story that Martin asked LSU's AD if he could talk to Les, or if he could fly him up for a slumber party like he did Ferentz on Monday?
edit - waterbuffalo not waterbowl
Henne is the rare Freshman QB that didn't suck. I don't think he gets nearly the credit he deserves.
My preference:
Head coach: Les Miles
OC: Les's left ball
DC: Les's right ball
Goblue00,
sounds like Miles is gonna happen. Hopefully we can bring some recruits with him.
Wonder if Brian will make a late night post of this news?
Brian's posted for less...
Harbaugh,
I hope so because this comment thread is starting to get excessively long!! lol
Re: Permission to talk to Miles
Do you really think that's the only coaching candidate that Martin will speak to?
Ben-
That would be awesome. Les as head coach, bring some good recruits up with him, and a new offensive coordinator lol.
Hopefully we will hear something soon!
@mk
true most freshmen qbs suck, and interestingly enough the good freshmen seem to slump as sophmores. Mike Vick - awesome as a frosh, injury plauged as a soph, Drew Weatherford leads fsu to an ACC title - blows goats as a soph, Henne great as a frosh leads michigan to the year of infinite pain as a soph.
goblue00,
Les Miles has to bring in new coordinators. At least an O.C. DeBord should never run through the tunnel again.
Maybe miles can bring Ferentz as an asst. coach or associate head coach or something - that way the miles boosters will be happy and so will the ferentz people.
mk - Navarre's last game actually was the 2004 Rose Bowl, when he got sacked ten trillion times by USC. But in his defense, the same exact thing happened to Henne last year, so maybe it's a matter of their staff >>>> our staff.
How about Miles as head coach. Brian Kelly as O.C. and Kirk Ferentz as D.C. Nobody could complain, or would they...?
Hello all. I am way behind on this thread and no time to read. Are the usual naysayers warming to Les Miles? Or are they tossing the same old arguments at us?
Meeeechigan Dan-
Same old same old. What are you gonna do though? lol.
@Meeechigan Dan
I dunno, but I did see somebody say they wanted his left nut for OC and right nut for DC.
\true most freshmen qbs suck//
All the more reason to be impressed with RichRod...he took Pat White out of Alabama, told him he'd play QB at WVU, had him starting games as a frosh and all VWU did that year was win the Big East and stomp all over the SEC champ in the Sugar Bowl played in the SEC team's de facto home stadium.
Seriously, why the hell can't we do cool shit like that in AA?
Here the link to the Les Miles / Martin interview report
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3132538
Word is that Rodriguez actually *would* have interest in the position, but he has a shady reputation that we didn't want to touch.
It's okay though. Miles will kick ass.
I wonder how much LSU is going to offer Miles to stay? Tough call considering LSU gets 1.5 million if he does leave.
I think it's already posted, but if not, we have permission to talk to Miles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3132538
People seem to ignore the shortcomings of their favorite candidate and obsess on the failures of others. Miles, Kelly, Rodriquez, Tedford, whomever all have warts if you look closely enough.
You gotta think now that Miles is the guy. I would say 95% since we are asking to talk to him.
@ sideburns - win the Big East? Isn't that just a half step up from winning the MAC?
MLive - Carty: A little more info...
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/
...es_permiss.html
After watching every LSU game this year, I have come to the conclussion that Miles is highly overrated. Hester is the 4th best back on that team and he gets majority of the carries. He keeps Lafell in the game even though he can't catch a cold. I don't see what everyone is all hyped up about.
I got so excited reading that! I just hope that he can pull out a win on saturday and that this doesn't distract his team. I don't want to be known as the a-holes that cost them their conference championship because our Athletic Director asked for permission to speak to him and now it's publicized.
As far as the money goes, if we were seriously going to give Kirk Ferentz $4 mil, I don't think offering Miles more than LSU wants to counteroffer will be that big of a problem. If Michigan truly is his dream job though he wouldn't care if the LSU deal gave him more he would come home, IF it really is his dream job. We will see...I hope it works out for us!!
I was critical of Miles in the beginning...just because of all the reasons that have been talked about. But one HUGE positive is that I think Miles is willing to switch things up if something isn't working...unlike the stubborn LC philosophy. If LC would've adapted his style if it wasn't working, I have no doubt we would have more wins.
Miles is ok by me, not my #1 guy, but I won't be upset if we get him.
I'd be pissed if Da-Bored, Tedford, Gruden or any other NFL guy takes over. (Obviously I don't want Faust, Weis, Coach Fran, Wannstache, Johnelle, Callahan, or Ted Roof, but I don't think they are on the candidate list.)
Love Carty's article seems like a copy and paste job of the ESPN report.
Did that AA News story have to have a Carty byline? There was nothing original in it, which is really unusual since Carty seems to make stuff up.
Harbaugh,
I was thinking the SAME thing about the Carty article. Isn't that plagiarism? I mean it looks pretty much exactly the same and he says "By: Jim Carty" wtf
@Ben
I heard Miles' contract restructure made it "expensive" for him to leave, but I was surprised it wasn't a whole lot more. I think Mich would gladly pay the extra 1.5 mil. At least they aren't resigning Charlie Tuna for another 10 years.
"By Jim Carty" AKA just the espn report everyone read 30 minutes ago plus some random info from the AP.
This almost seems too tailor-made for it to happen. Maybe that's just me preparing for another disappointment from M football these last few weeks.
mgobleu,
yeah 1.5 is nothing in UM football terms. If we do end up signing miles, how many years do we sign him to? It will be interesting because it will show how much faith they really have in him. I'm guessing a 6 year contract?
I got a "0" on a paper on time for not citing my sources, Carty deserves the same treatment for that "article." Another winner by King Carty.
edit - one time not on time.
Well, I don't think Mich is going to be in the hiring mood if they don't believe in the guy. 6 years might be on the high end, IMO.
Off topic - but anyone else enjoying the Pistons destroy the Cavs?
Carty is a joke. The very least he could have done was make stuff up to make him look better. No one ever knows the difference...
Wait, he already does that? My bad.
Anyways, sound advice nonetheless.
ATL Blue-
I'm with you there. I don't want to get too excited because you never know with Michigan.
And Ben-
You are right. 1.5 mil is nothing to the University of Michigan. They can probably make that up in football tickets from the first 10 rows of 1 section of next seasons tickets if a booster didn't want to pay it.
My guess would be a 4 or 5 year contract probably with an M option for a few additional years.
Harbaugh,
Yes.
On espn now.
I think Brian may be dead. He may have been killed by the traffic (just like the blogpoll).
or, he actually has a life....
Let's get a quantitative analysis of Miles' coaching decisions pronto (a 3 year LSU UFR) so we can forward on to Bill Martin (whether good or bad).
goblue00,
exactly. with bball, it's a different story...which is why i believe a booster paid the buyout.
mgobleu,
i think you might be right about the 6 years. I guess they just have to consider that he will need 4 years for his recruits to come full circle.
Sooooo, I'm trying to figure out; I kinda still think that Miles will be the FIRST contact of 2, maybe 3. But I'm getting the vibe here that people are thinking he's gonna be the ONLY contact.
They are already throwing parties for Miles departure down here.
My guess is that if Miles wins the N.C. next year with Mallet, he gets a huge extension. What does everyone else think on the matter? lol
I think Miles will be the only contact...and I base that on absolutely nothing lol
it's actually a 1.25 mill buyout on miles's contract.
i bet he gets offered 2.5 mill, probably 5 year contract.
IMO, if Miles wins a N.C. with Mallett; we can just rename the big house "Miles' house". Hell, "Miles' university". (If noone can tell, I have very little faith in manboy Mallett.)
Isn't one of the important things with this, as was pointed out by one of my colleagues, is that this news pretty much means that any speculation about the decision now has to sit back at least until middle of next week?
That and Martin allowed this news to break...
Ben-
I would love to see that happen but I doubt very much he will win a NC his first year here. Would be awesome though.
I think Miles might be the only contact too. I say that because they knew that he wanted the press to stop talking about it and asking questions on it right after Lloyd retired. Maybe Ferentz was an actual candidate but I sort of felt it was a smoke screen to take the focus off of Miles so he could finish out his regular season. Just my take, probably not the case, but who knows.
8-4 or better with a win against Sweatervest would be a good result considering the number of players we lose. Some of us are paranoid even to dream about NCs now.
Welcome to Ann Arbor, Lesticles.
i meant delusional* instead of paranoid*
UM receives permission to talk to Miles
Written By: Ben
LSU athletic director Skip Bertman told ESPN.com Wednesday night through a school spokesman that University of Michigan athletic director Bill Martin has requested and received permission to speak with Tigers coach, and former Michigan player, Les Miles about becoming the next coach of the Wolverines.
Martin did not immediately return a request for comment Wednesday night.
HCS
Thats right it is 1.25 mil. Thanks for the correction. Either way, it's still not much for the University.
Goblue00,
Yeah I don't think we will win an N.C. next year...but LC would shit his pants if he did. His legacy would be set in stone.
What happens if Miles loses to "Sweatervest" in overtime, will he start his "I did not lose in regulation speech".
Dogg,
Maybe we won't need O.T. because Miles will probably have a gameplan.
More:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...ORTS06/
71128077
Ben-
That would be a nice big F you to Lloyd from Les if they really don't care for each other. I would love nothing more. I like Lloyd Carr, thought he was a good coach and a nice man. If there really was all this hoopla from Carr behind the scenes about not wanting Les then there is nothing I want more for him to come in and prove Lloyd and other higher ups wrong.
At this point I just don't care who our coach is going to be. Well... that's total BS b/c if it was Debored I would...cry and drink and smoke crack (not necessarily in that order). Maybe I'm trying too hard to be all Zen about it, but no matter how the new guy does it, our new either HC beats OSU or he doesn’t.
If he does that, then he has the talent to coach a team into the BCS and NC picture pretty regularly. If he doesn't, then we have this conversation again in 3-4 years (or probably less).
Goblue00,
EXACTLY. That would be great. I wonder if LC would make a comment....'but he did it with my players.' LOLOLOL
This is kinda cool, if it hasn't already been posted. The Detroit News used the Freedom of Information act to obtain copies of Pinkel's, Miles's, and Ferentz's employment contracts. Here's Miles:
http://info.detnews.com/2007/
mil...es_contract.pdf
@Yostal
are you the same Yostal as on deadspin?
although a loss to tOSU is never acceptable, it would be a lot easier to take if we lost OT, hell, even if it was within 3 at the end of regulation (read, ANYTHING is better than this year)
Ben-
Oh poor Les. Phrases like that are going to follow him everywhere.
"He did it with Sabans players" "He did it with Lloyds players" Yeah he may have done it with their recruits, but he had to coach them to do what they did didn't he? There would have been pretty new ones that he would have had to mold so that crap annoys me.
I was just thinking about Tressel vs. Miles. Tressel's boys taking a knee late (while it was the right choice) is kinda symbolic of how the rivalry has sweetened a lil' bit the past decade. Wouldn't it be sweet if Miles' brought some good ol' Bo vs. Woody feeling back and just walked up and b@!ch slapped the sweatervest?
so let's see just how good of a recruiter Les is...first assignment: bring White Reggie north.
The "termination by coach" clause is on page 11.
HCS-
I agree with that entire post. It's not acceptable but anything would be better than this years OSU game. Don't really understand the logic behind OSU fans and how they think that hiring Miles would result in them dominating us longer. We will see next November!
Goblue00,
If Les has a 9 or 10 win season next year, I will consider that a major success...considering we are losing some offensive stars.
00goblue00
Saban's players were talented enough to win without the coaching of Miles
I am looking for a Tressel-type run for Les to start his career at UM...a tough season next year with a win in Columbus, which will lead us to an undefeated 13-0 2009 (all the tough games are in A2)
Brian, better start designing the "Les is More" shirts, are testicles on the back too much to ask?
Anyone know if LSU has any players that are graduating this year...with an extra year of eligibility? They could come to UM and play right away then...if I'm correct. The problem is that...I'm not sure how high the graduation rates at LSU are in the first place...
One argument that drives me nuts is that Miles has so much talent he should win more than he has. Arrrgh.
Well, I took a little look and that is debunked:
http://www.logictimes.com/Blue/L...Red-
Herring.htm
Please proofread...tired and going to bed to be up at 4:00am.
Ben,
I'm pretty sure they did away with that rule after Mundy
Dogg-
Point taken, but maybe not all of them where as talented as others.
Ben-
We will see if he turns it out. I have faith that he can!
I wonder what fat Charlie is thinking if Les comes, I bet he still has nightmares of that sugar bowl beatdown, combine that with two M beatdowns in a row and Weis just may be shitting himself.
I wonder what Charlie is doing now?...
probably eating.
ATL Blue,
I'm not sure on that. I think it was actually a new rule that they added recently.
I think you might be able to play after graduation at the university where you went to undergrad though...
Why would Mundy be the reason for the change though?
oh ok, well that would explain why I couldn't do it 3 years ago, but Mundy could. I could've sworn I was watching a WVU game earlier this year and they said they did away with it. It'd be nice if it was still around and he could bring some troops
Harbaugh Scramble-
Charlie Weis eating? Was there ever any doubt lol.
Meeeech Dan, nice post.
MDan,
Great work...love the analysis
Goblue00,
We will definitely see. I have a feeling that our stadium is going to be a lot LOUDER next year...especially if we are winning.
Harbaugh
Puh-leeeeeeze. Charlie Tuna just finished a pork sandwich. (Two adult pigs wrapped around a cow)
ATL blue,
maybe you're right. I'll look it up somewhere when i feel like it lol
http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/
...ty_seasons.html
It appears that you can't do it for D-I football.
Harbaugh Scramble,
Yes I am. I'm also Craig over at the Hoover Street Rag.
M Dan - nice analysis, but it avoids the experience issue. How many LSU starters are either true or redshirt Frosh?
ATL,
that was quick! yeah i guess you're right. oh well, maybe we can still snag some of their guys and have them sit out. Or maybe he can get some of the guys orally committed to LSU to switch over to UM?
Thanks for the kind words, all.
mk, too difficult to tease that out for five teams. I assumed it all evens out.
Meeechigan Dan-
Whenever anyone I know who is not on this board says something negative about Miles...I'm sending them to your link!! Great job!!
Before everyone gets too happy remember its not set in stone that Les is the new coach.
M dan - didn't really mean to be critcal. 5 star frosh rarely perform at the same level as a 3 star senior.
mk, with Mallett and Hart, that's certainly true!!!
the experience issue HELPS Miles case. think about it. Current 5th year seniors on the LSU team have had three years to play for Miles and 2 with Saban. 4th year players have had 3 with Miles and only 1 with Saban. These guys are Miles players by now. They have developed under him.
There are two aspects to having talent on the team: one is getting them to campus and the other is turning that talent into something. Getting them to campus isn't enough. they need to be developed and from my chair in the Bat Cave, I see that Miles has been developing players.
Harbaugh-
You are right however, knowing he at least is going to be interviewed makes me excited.
lol sorry mdan, that graph is ridiculous. 3.8 and 3.45 should not look like that on a graph. and the experience/game-changing injury factor should matter too.
Mdan,
I was one of the people who did believe LSU had more talent than anyone out there this year. The link just shows how far from the truth that is. I can't believe how badly we did compared to LSU with the amount of star players. It is amazing. wow
kgh, did you like the scale?? Just a little shine on the apple, that's all. Hey, I provided the raw numbers.
again, mdan, not to discredit your work, but our record compared to LSU's record and the talent on either team ignores SO many other factors. I woudln't know where to begin.
kgh--when the range is only 1-5, then the difference between 3.8 and 3.45 is more substantial than if the range was 1-100, etc.
haha I know MDan, that's why I was laughing. Good work! lol
MDan,
If you put in the should be starters like Keilen Williams (5 Star) @ RB, D. Byrd (4 Star) @ wr, and R. Perilleaux (5 Star) @ QB, the numbers would be a little different.
ben, I knew something was fishy when I did this post right after Appy State. I knew LSU had nice incoming talent, but it wasn't what people were saying. I tried to handle to experience issue on defense in this post.
http://www.logictimes.com/Blue/
I...ntervention.htm
Credit to Brian for catching that DC-9 on the radar to Louisiana! Why a DC-9? To carry Miles giant balls!!!
Dogg, you are assuming a disproportionate number of starters are out for one particular team. As with experience, I assumed that evened out. I simply took the current starters across the board. Keeps the editorial bias low.
are those "years of experience" actual starts or just how old each player was? There's a difference. I'm saying, that is going to be incredible for you to try and overcome the many factors and come to a legitimate conclusion about coaching and success/records.
Dogg--Williams and Byrd were both Miles recruits
I'm officially "concerned" about Brian's absence...not worried, just concerned...
kgh, just year in school.
While I admit this is rudimentary, it still, IMO, debunks the idea that LSU has a monster hoard of talent that makes a 84% winning percentage shitty. Don't you think? Beyond that, it's more interesting than anything else.
MDan-
They never quit! I found the post interesting. Thanks for sharing it with us!
Please don't higher a coach with the letter "L" in his name. I'm done with LLLLLLloyd jokes. Anyone but LLLLLLles.
For real...good night.
Page 13 says "gambler, better,...". Methinks that should be "bettor".
Hey Blue Blood...
Should we go for WWWWWWWWeis???
MDan, your work has not gone unnoticed, I'm not trying to bring you down. My point is that it's unfair (for all teams/coaches involved) to compare w-l and coaching prowess based on that. Point taken about the "overhwhelming talent" thing, but when people say Flynn sucks therefore they dont have "talent" at the QB pos., that's just as annoying. There are just too many factors to assume anything so concretely.
2 requests: no one who is over 350 lbs and no one with the letter "L" in his name. Is that too much to ask?
If I remember correctly, we were completely healthy for the App. St. game. Yes Hart was out for a good portion of the game, but he was a 3 star ...and we had 4 stars coming in for him...who should've been able to do something.
And I believe Johnny Sears was a 4-star as was Stevie Brown.
I'm out for the evening! Everyone take it easy...Have a good night :)
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh johnny sears. how did he get 4 stars??? maybe they counted the two stars in his eyes.
@Mgobleu
It'd be WWWeis not WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWeis.
On the topic of basketball, when will the big ten top the acc in the challenge. ACC has 8 wins. Big Ten has 2. not good
Good point, but its not LLLLLLoyd, either.
ACC is just way better than Big10 at hoops, we'd beat them in football though.
wow, top story on sportscenter...niiiiice
honestly, MDan is on the right track, but the analysis needs to be done more robustly:
1)include scout & espn star rankings. creat average ranking for each recruit. let this be 'A.'
2)create a metric that combines years in program + # of starts, that acts as a better guage for 'experience.' let this be 'B.'
3)include all 85 s'ship players. or at least the one's who get significant PT.
including all 'significant contributors,' create the final metric that is basically, A + B == how good the team should be. obviously, the metric is only useful when compared to the same analysis for another team.
of course, i nominate anyone but myself to do this.
Actually, mea culpa - Sears was a 3-star.
Harbaugh,
good point on that. I like football better anyway so I'll take it as it is.
A 3-star with a USC offer though.
DanK,
Maybe Brian will do it if we ask?
Doesn't a USC offer designate an extra star?
@Ben -
agreed I'd much rather have a strong football program than a dominant b-ball program. But I wouldn't complain if UM had both.
well I sure hope he's not working too hard on Profiles in Heroism pieces
Harbaugh,
Eventually we will have both again. I think my favorite UM sports day was when we beat Duke in bball and Woodson won the Heisman, then we win the NC. I can't remember what our bball team did though. I could look it up, but don't really feel like it. ha
DanK - not it.
mgobleu - lol, uh, I dunno. I mean, he was considered a "sleeper" therefore you cannot be a 4-star sleeper. Rivals/Scout would have none of that...they have memberships to gain.
ehhh...the wife & kid are out of town this weekend...maybe i'll give it a shot....assuming the honeydo list gets finished of course...
DanK - If you do, can you include how many players were not in spring practices and calculate team "chemistry" and the chemistry of our QBs with the WRs based on how many snaps they had with each other too? How many other USEFUL and intangible things can we include in this?
KGH10,
I think we should include friday night activities in this as well.
Include fieldturf/astroturf/natural grass; average calculated windspeed/direction; barometric pressure; player morale; mascot/no mascot...
CROWD NOISE???? The x factor?
Maybe this season is the fans fault???? LOL
To be perfectly honest, I'm kind of joking on some of that, but that stuff does matter. Butler being out I believe ruined a bit of chemistry between Henne and he, as well as Henne with A-Air and even Mario over the summer. You could tell (and the players even attested to this early on) that their chemistry was off in watching App.St. When I say intangible things lead to losses and wins, I kinda mean it. That's why you have to have a bit (sometimes more) of luck to win a title, generally speaking.
Stadium, definitely. Especially their menacing nicknames.
To be honest, I do think "death valley" sounds cooler than "the big house". But don't worry. Cooler in nickname only.
Basically, just like not all of the bad stuff is on the coach, all of the good stuff isn't on the coach either. That's why comparing records in accordance to such stiff guidelines (talent, experience) isn't enough. Decent guage? Probably. But pretty flawed in the end.
apparently College Football Live isn't live!
Meeechigan Dan's website once again is edifying... I'm on the Miles train all the way... Les does more with less instead of less with more as was Carr's m.o.
If LSU is Death Valley, then we maybe should be considered Life-House...where we grant each team 9 lives...and if you don't win then it's your own fault.
\Isn't that just a half step up from winning the MAC?//
It's quite a few steps up from losing to Appalachian State, I will grant you that.
the only thing that "butler being out" effected was a decrease in the number of offensive penalties.
I didn't know you could get offensive penalties in spring/summer ball. Weird!
Maybe Les will make it TresseLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
If Les is the new coach I hope he has enough sense to can Da-Bored, Coach Git and Moeller. I think he does, but I'm sure LLoyd will push for them to be kept on the staff in some way, shape or form.
Michigan against the world reports that Brady griese and Jansen support Da-Bored and are going to tell Martin about that.
http://michiganagainsttheworld.b...jon-
jansen.html
1997
Michigan steals big-time victory over top-ranked Duke
Michigan 81, Duke 73
By Mark Snyder
Daily Sports Writer
ANN ARBOR (Saturday, December 13, 1997) - In a sight becoming familiar on the Ann Arbor campus, Michigan fans swarmed a local playing surface following a big-time victory.
Fortunately for the Wolverines, the spontaneous action took place after an 81-73 victory over top-ranked Duke.
"Today was a lot of heart," Louis Bullock said. "What you saw today was a team coming together under adversity."
After trailing by as many as 17 early in the second half, Michigan rebounded with its best closing stretch of the season.
But Bullock took the comeback on his shoulders after halftime and impressed Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski.
"Bullock hit huge shots," he said. "Two of his (3-pointers) came when we had 10- or 12-point leads. Those count more."
The Blue Devils - 70-7 in their history when ranked No. 1 - played four games in the top spot prior to facing Michigan today.
Date of Heisman announcement:
December 13, 1997
Charles Woodson
I rushed the field after beating OSU, and I rushed the court after beating Duke. The hockey championship came in March. What a great year.....
It makes perfect sense that Brady, Griese and Jansen would vouch for DeBord. He was their OC in NC year 1997. Martin is listening to his selection committee, and TB, BG and JJ are not on it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=3132538
Just say this on sportscenter at 11.
I heard a stat on when the coach is leaving, your teams chances of winning the bowl game. Not good, I think I remember 70%+ chance of a loss. It took into account being fired vs better-jobs-jumpers. LSU could be doomed, maybe as early as next week. If your coach was fired your chances were better...
It will be interesting to see how the Vegas line moves tomorrow on this game.
Since when did people start saying lol all the time
Samsoccer - what an amazing day that was. Crap...the nostalgia is overwhelming. I'm thinking of my hall at South Quad, all watching the Heisman presentation in one tiny dorm room. And now I'm starting to cry...
(not really crying, but I totally could right now)
Btw, my roommate got a face full of Jerrod Ward's armpit when we rushed the court after the Duke game. His memories aren't quite as fond...
If you are serious about getting a top 5 coach, you will not get one if Carr has ANY SUBSTANTIAL influence on who asst coaches are. So if Miles smells that, expect him to keep eatin' crawfish and sandbagging for hurricanes.
Top 5 people won't be as awestuck as you think. If you want somebody with large nuts then the background Uncle simply won't work. Tressel goes outta his way to respect Earle Bruce and Cooper (yeech!) but there has never been any doubt on who can hire/fire anybody under him.
If I was Tom Brady I would push for DeBord too, because if I was Tom Brady I would hate Michigan for the way I was treated while I was here because everyone was licking on Drew Henson's nuts. Granted when Henson did play he was awesome, but we all forget how much people hated the Golden One while he was here.
P.S. does it bother anyone else when they see Brady's Pats jersey inside the stadium. Of course I'm in the boat that everybody should wear Maize to every game, if you looked at the crowd for OSU I'm in the minority.
Two corrections: 1) If Tressel fires his brother, he's probably in trouble with Mom.
2) He can't hire without administrative scrutiny but my point was that it is unlikely he has any pressure to keep someone he doesn't like, or hire a guy he thinks is a goober. Quietly, he has replaced a few over the years. Usually though, they are leaving for better positions.
Brady wasn't hated his senior year. Especially after the Michigan State game, which we would have won had Lloyd not played Henson in the second quarter. Brady almost brought us back in the second half. By the end of that season, no one wanted to see Henson on the field.
Gnarls
Very true. Isn't it sad that our "rivalry" versus MSU is only a rivalry when we completely choke or they cheat?
Added P.S. I date a Spartan, so this is the only time I really get to mock them without flying objects.
Woot! On the Miles story! If the Ferentz thing was a smoke screen to get those of us who are not sold on Miles to come over to that side....it worked for me......Miles is 1 million times better than Ferentz, at least now I don't have to transfer to another school...hee hee.
ben: i know your post was a while ago but i just got around to reading them all.
a player is allowed to graduate from one school then play the next year at another school without sitting out as long as he has eligibility left. they did change the rule in that the move has to be for "academic reasons" or something like that. i have a friend who graduated from an SEC school last year but didn't get into grad school there, so he was allowed to play at another school this year while attending grad school.
Kirk Ferentz almost lost to Syracuse and Greg Robinson last season... I just remembered this I don't recall anyone bringing that point up as a strike against Ferentz when all the OMG NO FERENTZ!!!!!!1!!!11!!! was going on.
Here is a webpage detailing LSU's practice facilities:
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArt...0&
ATCLID=177160
Holy fuck, we've got some work to do!
Get a grip. All this Ferentz stuff was made up. Think about it - Martin was JUST finalizing his search committee the SAME weekend Ferentz was "offered the job"? Gimme a break.
If blogs offer nothing - why are you bothering reading and posting on a blog?
you guys are pathetic. seriously. get a life. sparty on.
Spartans calling us pathetic. Your head coach picked a fight with a 21 year old and yet we're pathetic?
That's down right hilarious.
Not to mention, MSU isn't even a party school anymore. In Ann Arbor you drink for free, can you imagine that? FREE BEER!
does anyone know what's the story with the new indoor practice facility (mentioned in the freep article)? ie. where is it located, when is it going to be finished? is it tied to the stadium renovations?
So ESPN scooped Brian? That's the psychology of entrapment for you.
Just saw that LSU has given MICHIGAN permission to talk to Les after the SEC championship. I guess I can put that chair back and put away that noose now.
I've just been given permission to eat Mike DeBord after Les comes to town.
Mike, eat away. You can have Gittleson and Moeller too. If you walk here you'll be hungry enough by the time you arrive. Or perhaps you have a Segway.
Sparty on? Glad I don't have to say that every day...
Gittleson=stale bag of dorritos.
What I'm trying to say Mangino is...get really drunk first.
wolverine stuck at U of Illi noise. man champagne is boring.
Ryan:
Yes, clearly psychology of entrapment at work...
i'm on here to laugh at the blog.
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