Something an MSU fan such as I and this blog can agree on: The Big Ten Wonk is a traitorous bastard!
Stand by your conference, Wonk!
Good point re: Lowery building a #4 seed. Frankly I'd be pretty scared if UM suddenly had someone who appears to be able to teach man-to-man defense at least as well, if not better, than Mr. Izzo.
If we take the guy from west virginia.....That would be terrible. We fired an NIT coach just to hire another one? Martin open up the wallet and get a great coach. People will then come to see the games hence selling more tickets. Remember the fab five era? Michigan sold more basketball merchandise in the few year stretch than ever before or after. You have to invest money to make money. We have proven that if you spend mediocre money you get mediocre results.
Could not agree with you more on the UM fans who are hitting the panic button in regards to this coaching search. I think the Univesity considers Beilein they're #1 target.
To say that Beileins offense is only suited to slower, jump shooters is a myth. Watching his offense, it's hard to believe Abram or Harris wouldn't have been able to thrive in an offense predicated on cutting and slashing rather than one-on-one playmaking ability.
Couldn't agree more about bringing in Jalen. Bernard Robinson too?
Can't agree with you on Beilein. I think Amaker is a much better recruiter. On raw talent Amaker's group blows away Beilein's last two teams (yes, even the one that went to the sweet 16). Guys like Horton, Harris, Sims, Petway, Abram, Hunter were all mid to highly regarded recruits. Sims was 4* Horton was 5. Yeah, Amaker didn't stock the bench with A+ players, but his front line should've been really good. I don't think there's ever been a 5* in Morgantown.
I think Michigan is waving the white flag if it's targeting Beilein before it even tries to go after the Jay Wrights of coaching ranks. Hell, Bruce Pearl just threw himself into the coaching debate. Why wouldn't you talk to them before going for an older mid range coach in the Big East?
If Beilein is choice one we're doing the same thing we did 6 years ago and going with the "safe" guy. The problem is the safe guy is really expensive and has no guarantee of success in the Big Ten based on his lack of recruiting contacts here. When you look at the Big Ten top to bottom, he's at most the fifth best coach in the conference, maybe lower. In the first group you've got Izzo, Ryan, Sampson, & Smith. Then in the second you've got Painter, Weber, Mata, and Beilein. It's fairly arguable that Beilien falls behind Painter (almost beating Florida), Mata (final four), and is equal to Weber. So, to me, he ties for 7th best coach in the Big Ten.
He's a very good Xs and Os coach, but we're setting our sights way too low if he's our No. 1 target.
"He is also totally ganking my schtick"...between the sheets. sorry, had to be done.
i think wojo had legit arguments. also, an interesting dichotomy has developed between brian and dave at M&B- 2 well rounded & informed opinions for M fans to digest and thus develope an opinion from. imo, the biggest flaw in the 2 args is dave's re: recruiting. sure we can all agree, as M fans, that EL is a hole. but, objectively speaking, there's a
BIG difference between EL & Morgantown. and the other teams dave cites ("BYU was an 8 seed. Southern Illinois is somewhere near the Thunderdome. Washington State. Nevada. Vanderbilt???") haven't won via an overwhelming upgrade in talent being recruited to their respective hometowns. it's been coahing that made those teams with OK-to-good talent into great teams.
i just don't think there are many coaches who have shown more than Beilein. maybe he has a low ceiling, but he also has a high floor. i don't see a realistic guy out there who has a better resume.
Brian,
When are you going to do a feature on swimming?
Pride of Michigan - Phelps
The "fire one NIT coach to get another" schtick is off base. Beilein's team is in the NIT final, true, but they were only picked pre-season to come in second in the WVU intramural tournament. In that respect, they over achieved. If you watched the WVU game last night, two things are clear: (1) though they were down big at the beginning of the second half, J.B. didn't freak out and his kids didn't give up, and (2) unlike Amaker, he can apparently draw up a scoring play following a time out.
There are some very good coaches in the NIT this year, too, by the way (Jimmy B./Syracues and Calhoun/UConn). Like Beilein, and unlike Amaker, they have actually been to the NCAAs on a consistent basis and won games.
I also think the "Bill Martin doesn't care about the basketball program" talk is unfounded. If he doens't care about the basketball program, why did he just agree to pay a guy $900,000 to never coach another game for Michigan again? And if all the "Mary Sue Colemean doesn't want to lose Dr. Stephanie Pinder Amaker" talk is to be believed, Martin axed his coach over the objection of the University President.
As of Wednesday, March 28th at 1:35 p.m. Chicago Time, Michigan doens't have a coach. From this, we can conclude that Bill Martin, is (a) a freakin' moron who has no idea what he is doing and is on the cusp of the biggest screw-up in the history of NCAA basketball, (b) working feverishly behind the scenes to evaluate candidates and biding his time until the NIT is over to fully explore Beilien, or (c) already has some sort of deal with Beilein and they are both waiting until the weekend to make some sort of announcement.
For what it's worth, I think Martin is better served to keep things under wraps. Take Iowa for example. Whomever they hire is going to know that the Hawkeyes would have rather had Bruce Pearl. It benefits no one - prospective coach or school - to make public who has been asked, who has declined, or any of the reasons involved.
The recruiting commentary regarding Amaker's status as one of the most "privileged black guys on the planet" is off base. Recruiting is decreasingly about a coach connecting with players over a similar brand of life circumstances.
Establishing connections with AAU and high school coaches goes beyond personality and life perpsective and more toward establishing a quid pro quo between the university and the feeder progam, whether an AAU squad or a high school. This is often done through grass roots connections to these programs, where Amaker clearly lacked.
Establishing connections with players, especially of the highest caliber, seems to involve a coach demonstrating connections to that "next level," primarily in the form of NBA "ins" or for some players a sure feed into the coaching pipeline.
In either case, Amaker's inability to recruit had little to do with being a privileged black guy. For a counterexample see John Thompson III at Georgetown, a Princeton grad and product of a wealthy family, who has a top 10 recruiting class lined up for the upcoming season. While his father certainly casts a long shadow at that school, Thompson III has made much of his own recent success for himself. Remember, he inherited that program from a coach who reached near-Ellerbe ineptness.
It's a bit disappointing to see you fall back on an unsupported assertion that Amaker failed at recruiting because he was a privileged black guy rather than seriously dissecting the problem, especially as you have been quick to accuse others of inappropriately injecting race into certain topics in the past.
Gotta love the Cheick Samb reference, as a Laker fan I'm definitely glad to have gotten Maurice Evans for him.
Honestly none of these candidates that are supposedly in the running really have me that excited, but if I had to choose one it'd be Beilein.
Stop with the Beilein shit, get Lowery!
I completely agree with Wojo. You have to question the upside to Beilein even though he would unquestionably be an overall upgrade from Amaker.
Rosenberg and Carty's dismissal of Beilein's lack of recruiting success is "he coaches in Morgantown." That, in a word, is weak. It's a concern.
And yes, you can recruit worse than Amaker. He signed twenty players to LOI's and five of them were ranked in the top 50 for their HS class (Horton, D. Harris, D. Sims, C. Harris, Legion). That's not too shabby.
I don't have any premium subscriptions, but is Sam Webb one of the douchebags slamming the program. I've heard him on the radio and he's the biggest Amaker apologist ever.
Can't agree with you on Beilein. I think Amaker is a much better recruiter. On raw talent Amaker's group blows away Beilein's last two teams (yes, even the one that went to the sweet 16). Guys like Horton, Harris, Sims, Petway, Abram, Hunter were all mid to highly regarded recruits. Sims was 4* Horton was 5. Yeah, Amaker didn't stock the bench with A+ players, but his front line should've been really good. I don't think there's ever been a 5* in Morgantown.
I think the operative item here is "Morgantown." Beilein's recruiting at WVU and his recruiting at Michigan are not likely to be in the same stratosphere, and projecting his classes to stay the same doesn't make much sense. If we get Chris Lowery do you expect him to recruit like he has at SIU?
And there's more to recruiting than throwing together some stars. Beilein may not get guys with high NBA potential but they are guys who fit his system. Amaker's roster management was spectacularly bad. He refused to change his motion offense even when he had guys like Petway and Sims and Brown who were useless lugs when they were standing outside the three point line. Do we really want to define recruiting as "good" or "bad" based on guru rankings instead of results? Is Kendrick Price, a guy who was on most top 150 lists, or Ron Coleman, ditto, really a better recruit than whatever who-dat Jimmy Chitwood is lighting it up from three at WVU?
And there is *no* comparison between Beilein and Amaker. Beilein has been a HC for 29 years and has built four different D-I programs into tourney participants. His NIT team this year is exceeding expectations; Amaker's NIT team before we hired him was a fractious disaster that returned most contributors from a Sweet 16 team and had the nation's top recruiting class.
I think the point is that even if Beilein's recruiting doesn't improve in straight star terms, he will still get us to the tourney regularly, and if it *does*, well, hot diggity damn, there's some upside there.
Take a look at where Morgantown is on the map before you criticize Beilien's recruiting.
Read up on what his peers have to say about him.
He's a zero-risk choice, and his floor is higher than Amaker's ceiling. With the talent that Michigan naturally attracts, he'll get enough to be a consistent sweet 16 threat, even if he is a bad recruiter (which he's probably not).
It's a bit disappointing to see you fall back on an unsupported assertion that Amaker failed at recruiting because he was a privileged black guy rather than seriously dissecting the problem, especially as you have been quick to accuse others of inappropriately injecting race into certain topics in the past.
Whoah. While you're right about the AAU stuff, who are we talking about connecting with here? Players, yes, but coaches also. And I can't imagine Amaker was comfortable in that environment or that the people in that environment were comfortable with him. I was trying to dispel the oft-bandied about "Beilein won't recruit Detroit" meme, which always carries with it the implication that a white guy from the East Coast won't be a fit with the Detroit guys, to which I say pfffft, since our current guy was basically a version of Belein culturally who didn't work his way up through community colleges and low-major programs.
Brian,
You can't tell me your are serious with the Morgantown stuff. They are in a power conference and, last time I checked, WVa football has done pretty decent for itself on the recruiting trail.
Also, you have referenced Lon Kruger being old several times. Beilein is less than six months younger than Kruger!
I don't have a problem with Beilein, but why he is seen as such a great choice by so many people is perplexing to me. There seem to be a lot of drawbacks.
First of all, every reasonable candidate has their drawbacks. Beilein can't recruit. Lowery's offense sucks AND he can't recruit. Kruger's a nomad. I'd still be happy with any of them.
WVU's last 3 football recruiting classes were ranked 36th, 52nd and 31st (according to Rivals). Pretty good, but not quite up to expectations considering they were ranked 5th, 30th and 20th in the years preceeding those classes (according to the AP). That doesn't even take into account their young, charismatic coach or their 10th place ranking this year.
Beilein might not be a great recruiter, but I think it's safe to say that recruiting to Morgantown is at least a bit of a challenge.
To say Lowery can't recruit is ludicrous. He's what, 34 years old and has been a head coach for three years?
He hasn't established a record like Beilein has.
Lowery has a lot of charisma and COULD be a greater recruiter at the right school.
And yes, MRG, everyone has their drawbacks. But when there is a big concern over your upside, that is a bigger drawback than most.
"Low ceiling, high floor" as Beilein was described in this thread doesn't excite me.
Ouch, why the hate for Grosse Pointe?
Oh, I get it. Hyperbole. Brilliant Jerry, brilliant!
What criteria is being used to say that Lowery has a higher ceiling than Beilein? Just his age? Isn't it up for debate whether or not Lowery inherited a good program or is a good coach sustaining one?
Again, I'm not questioning Beilein's coaching chops. I'm questioning whether he's the right fit.
I disagree that the "operative item here is "Morgantown." It's almost commonly accepted right now that Morgantown is a hole. It smells. Teeth are optional. Snakes run free in the streets, an orangutan is mayor and it rains blood on Tuesdays. Actually I don't know that, but it's rumored based on the stuff in the papers.
Morgantown is a college campus for a not-so-populous state university. FWIW, East Lansing and Morgantown are not that different. For that matter, Morgantown ain't much different than College Station, Texas, where Billy Gillispie turned the worst basketball in the Big XII historically, into one of the best in three years. A good coach and good recruiter can recruit anywhere. Georgetown's resurgence is another example of what good recruiting does to a program that's down on it's luck. Also FWIW, Seton Hall is in an area that rivals Yale and USC for scariest neighborhood status. If Amaker could land #1 recruiting class there, he had some skills. He just couldn't coach. I don't believe Beilein gets a pass on his recruiting because he took the WVU job.
For me going to the tournament isn't enough. Michigan should compete for a national championship every year. We shouldn't have to wait for a coach to build the inroads to our prime recruiting areas, he should have them as a condition of employment.
Further, Beilein's going to be competing against Mata, Smith, Ryan, Weber, Painter, Sampson, et al. for the best players in the Big Ten's geographic area. It's crucial that the next coach be able to compete with these guys on the mid-west recruiting trail and not just on the east coast.
If we get Beilein that's fine with me. But if we get him without even trying to go after bigger and better coaches first, it's not. We settled for a coach 6 years ago. He was nice, clean, chipper, good pedigree and a good resume at first glance. But he wasn't a national championship caliber coach.
The next coach here should be a national championship caliber coach. And Beilein doesn't fit that bill. There are better coaches out there. If Michigan is willing to fork over $2.5 million to buy him out of a contract they can sure as hell cough up the $1.8-$2 million a year to land a top tier coach. We can get an average recruiting good Xs and Os coach for a lot less than that. That's why it's important Michigan at least try to land a bigger name coach like Pearl, Wright, or Gillispie.
I think just as important as recruiting is what is done with said recruits. TA brought in some good players who left AA with the same skills (or worse) than when they arrived on campus. Forgetting about Morgantown vs Ann Arbor, Michigan the brand will sell itself to recruits much more than WVU. So a s16 or e8 run for Michigan should pay much bigger recruiting dividends than the same run for WVU.
I always have a problem with the "but can he recruit" angle with mid-major coaches. It's not like you're ever going to see some guy in the MVC pulling down 4- and 5- star recruits all the time (or if you do, he's sure as hell not going anywhere). The fact is that TO WHERE the coach is recruiting is every bit as important as WHO the coach is recruiting.
Moreover, Steve Alford came to Iowa from a mid-major and immediately pulled down a great class. It's been eight years of hell ever since.
The fact of the matter is that whoever the new coaches at Michigan and Iowa are will have an opportunity to win and create their own buzz and do their own recruiting. They're going to find that getting kids to listen to a Big Ten school is a hell of a lot easier than getting them to listen to some rinky-dinker in Carbondale or Morgantown. And they'll, barring an Amakerian or Alfordian lack of coaching prowess, be successful.
Cheers.
Quick note: I meant "WHO the coach is that's doing the recruiting," not "WHO the coach is recruiting."
"For me going to the tournament isn't enough. Michigan should compete for a national championship every year."
I love Michigan hoops. Huge fan. But let's be real here. First of all, Jay Wright hasn't turned anybody into a national title contender. They were a what, 8-seed, and one that got upset at that.
We'll see if Gillespie (if he stays at A&M) can keep them at the level they achieved this year due to countless heroics by Acie Law.
Either way, to say that Michigan Hoops HAS to be a national title contender every year is a little bit out there when looking at the programs present state. MSU isn't even an annual national title contender.
"a good coach and good recruiter can recruit anywhere"
While there is some credence to this you can't just look at how nice of a city Morgantown is compared to EL or College Station, you also have to look at the proximity to major suppliers of talent.
Morgantown is not next to any major cities that don't have programs with much bigger prestige and profile locally. MSU has Detroit and Flint at its doorstep. TAMU has all of Texas. Sorry, but Pittsburgh (the nearest big city), just isnt on that level.
Don't think that West Virginia's rep doesn't play into a recruits thinking.
Pete Caril may have been one of the greatest coaches of all time, but he certainly wasn't recruiting NBA players on a routine basis.
If we want a proven winner who we know can recruit in Michigan...lets bring back Steve Fisher!!
Here's some background about Beilein you guys might not know about. When he came to WV he took over a team that was falling apart at the seems. 8-20 the previous year amid much recruiting scandal. So much that Dan Dokich quit two weeks after taking the job. Players were jumping ship, or being asked to jump. So his first year, he starts one senior, two true freshman, and two sophomores. His first recruiting class was Pittsnogle, his son, Herbert, etc. A big class. So he hasn't had many scholarships to use. Last years recruiting class might not look like much on paper, but all these guys can flat out play.
He's had a tough job since day one, but has done incredible things with what he had to work with. If you get him, you won't be disapointed.
jpozzy-
Well put. I think I went on a little bit of a rant on that one.
Here's the crux of that point: We need a coach that carries a national championship buzz. A coach where expectations may not be a MNC every year, but that it isn't that far off, even when it's a rebuilding year. A coach that can and does bring in enough talent where winning the Big Ten is always within a fingertip's reach and a deep NCAA run is expected.
MSU wasn't a NC contender, but they were feared. They almost toppled UNC before they ran out of gas. Now Izzo's reloaded at MSU with a top ten class. The fear is warranted.
Wright has built a substantial buzz at Nova, they were in the final four not too long ago and look like they're on their way back. Gillispie has recruited very well at A&M, and it wasn't just Law, there are some good players on his team. Pearl looks golden too. These coaches are young guys with good track records and sterling recruiting touches.
There needs to be a coach that inspires that healthy fear among his colleagues. Fear that it's either this year or next that his team rises above their already laudable accomplishments and does something special.
What I loathe is the thought of NIT NCAA NIT NIT NCAA. Don't let anyone tell you differently, based on WVU's strength of schedule they belonged in the NIT. I'm sick of the NIT being Michigan's spring tournament. And WVU's spent a lot of time there. Too much for my taste.
For the money Michigan is talking about spending, I feel they should and can have a coach that instills that expectation in the fans and that fear in his colleagues.
I'm as big a fan of Lowery as anyone, based in large part to my family being SIU grads. However, I just find it disquieting that he hasn't brought in one Top 150 guy. WVU's grabbed 3 in the last few years. Creighton, Pepperdine, Santa Clara, NMSU, Xavier, Butler, UAB, Kent State and Rhode Island all have at least 1 and none of their programs have had any more success during that time than SIU. I still think Lowery would be a good to very good recruiter, but there's less tangible proof of that than there is of Beilein performing the same feat.
Also, Bill Martin's history suggests that the basketball coach will not make more than Lloyd. So I'm not sure he'd go up to $2M per year.
Dave, i agree that we should go after Gillespie and Wright. but they have some of the same issues that Beilein had re: midwest recruiting connections. the fact is, however, that those guys are bit more unrealistic options. I mean, why not contact pitino or calipari or calhoun, et al? at some point, it's about the best *available* guy. sure, make the calls but still. yes, i want the X/O guru who can ALSO sell a ketchup popsickle to a woman in white gloves, but who is available that fits that mold? boeheim, K, Calhoun, Izzo...HoFers thats who. are these guys realistic? and if you're betting that any mid major guy (even Lowery) is the next HoF coach...that's one hell of a ballsy bet, imo. 6 years ago, TA was the next great guy. 8 years ago Alford was. Monson was at Minny. hewitt was at GT. every coach K disciple was at some point. and i don't think pearl is a bigger name than Beilein.
and i'm tired of hearing how great TAs recruits were. he got X top 100 guys therefore he did a good-great job. screw rivals and scout, i say. the fact is, Horton was a 5*SG/4*PG who was forced into a PG role by TA. same for Dion, except make it 4*SG/3*PG. C Sims was a high ceiling low floor guy whose rankings were inflated b/c of the potential (not having played basketball for long like Tim duncans situation in HS). petway was athletic & could dunk, and that garners 4 stars? he never had an offensive game, but hey he can dunk, thus top 75. also, every other guy on the M roster with TA that brian mentioned.
WVU, to me, is the Minn/PSU/Iowa of the BEast. sure, every few years they have a good team....but it's not all on talent and recruiting to Morgantown is the same as recruiting to Iowa city/Minny/St Coll. Iwoa, Minn, PSU are in a power conference too. Beilein got that program to contend EVERY year for the NCAAs with MUCH less talent than everyone else. i just don't think recruits shied (sp?) away from WVU b/c of beilein. no one considers WVU to begin with. kids in Mich will consider M b/c it's M, at least to some extent. take away the dumbass recruiting mistakes TA made, and we'll be OK talent wise.
"Lowery ... COULD be a greater recruiter at the right school."
well so could Beilien. and at the least, everything i've heard is that Beiliens a stone cold lock for the top ten X/O guy in basketball today. worst case, we have the best X/O guy in the conference with middle of the road talent. at best, we get the best X/O guy in the conference with top 3 talent in the conf.
Maize & Brew Dave:
While I agree that Bill Martin should not avoid calling a coach (Wright, Gillispie, etc.) that is presumably a better candidate before focusing in on Beilein, but trust me . . . we don't want to know about it. There will, no doubt be spin from the Athletic Department. But what would you expect or want? When they introduced Amaker, there was real excitement around Michigan Basketball - Duke pedigree, assistant on back-to-back NCAA championship teamm, played for legendary H.S. coach, etc. Would you have wanted him to be introduced as "The guy we ended up with when Pitino turned us down"? That can't possibly help.
If we get Beilein, and if he is our third or fourth choice, I don't want to know who declined the offer.
shied= sheyed?...anyway, again...NCAA, NIT, NIT, NCAA, NCAA, NIT is really good at WVU = Iowa/ PSU/ Minn. look at the circumstances of the NIT bids: this year was a complete roster turnover and they were 1 W shy of the tourney and are going to the NIT title game and that's with *meh* young talent.
Maize-and-Brew Dave -
Believe me. The occasional rant is more than a little warranted when it comes to Michigan hoops. I'm just not convinced that Jay Wright would be such a hot candidate had he not gotten Scottie Reynolds to go to Nova. They're not nearly the same team without him.
I'm not sure there's a coach out there that will strike fear to anybody in the Big Ten. Sure, Beilien might only be the 6th best coach in the big ten, but that's probably not so much an indictment of his abilities as it is a compliment to the head coaches of the Big Ten. I think no matter who we land, the Big Ten will be the class of the NCAA when it comes to Hoops coaches. And I'm not sure that any available coach out there (wright, pearl, or gillespie) is any better than the 3rd or 4th best coach in the big ten anyway.
By the way, agreed that A&M wasn't just Acie Law. Losing to Memphis busted my bracket and I am sure there is some residual bitterness...
The concerns about Beilein are warranted, but is ALL the recruiting on him? Let's assume he hires a couple of assistant coaches that are terrific recruiters - does doing so solve the problem?
In the scenario above Beilein would be more focused on the technical aspects of the game and his assistants would be more focused on recruiting. Something analagous to football recruiting.
Tell me if I'm talking crazy.
Yeah, I'm also still really cheesed about that missed A&M layup sending my bracket into a death spiral.
lastly, from what i've heard/read...Beilein *is* "a coach that instills that expectation in the fans and that fear in his colleagues" at least on a X/O front.
ash- you're not nuts, imo....but still, the HC has to be THE MAN. for all the shit LC takes, he's widely known as a great recruiter when it comes to closing the deal.
here's my preference:
HEAD COACH: John Beilein
RECRUITIN' ASSISTANT: Jalen Rose
GENERALLY IMPRESSIVE ASSISTANT: Bruce Springstein
UNICORN: liger. It's pretty much my favorite animal. It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic.
Typing Beilein is going to get annoying really fast. I'll have to remember the old rule I learned from the show Talespin, "i" before "e", except after "c" and when sounding like "a" in words spelled like "weigh."
Any word if Michigan has interviewed anyone else yet?
Again, let me say that I believe Beilein would be a good coach, he's just not my first choice.
Maybe the bigger issue here is that I think it's important Michigan set its standards ridiculously high and slowly come back down to earth. I don't want to see Michigan slink into the background saying "he's the best we could get" with out attempting to do more.
I will grant everyone that Beilein is a great coach. He can get buttermilk out of a cat if he has to. My problem with him is, if he's supposed to be a No. 1 guy, why has he been forced to milk a cat more often than not.
I really expect a lot out of Martin on this one. In the next few years we're going to have to replace Lloyd and Red and I want Martin to show he means business by going after the best. Amaker and Burnett were disasters in major money sports. Martin has to do better than pointing to the football stadium renovations as his crowning achievement.
For the record I am not in favor of the current flavor of the week in the Mid Majors. Of everyone, Lickliter at Butler is the only guy I'd consider. His track record is very impressive and he gets good talent to come to the middle of nowhere.
What I want is to see Martin pick a coach based on going after the best people possible. If we get turned down, fine. I want to know Michigan tried to get the best possible, even if unavailable, coach for that job.
It's the better to go down swinging mentality. If Michigan's doling out $2.5 for a buyout, they'd better damn sure have offered that money to some top tier guys.
Beilein is a good coach. He'd probably be a great fit at Michigan.
I just don't understand how he became #1 on the list ahead of the other guys that were mentioned. That's my beef in a nutshell.
...5'8" point guards from Grosse Pointe...
Bramos may be 6'5", but it worked well enough for Miami of Ohio. And now I'll go back to punching a wall, after the way the past month has played out.
If we want a proven winner who we know can recruit in Michigan...lets bring back Steve Fisher!!
ok let me be the 1st...
bring back Amaker!?
I don't agree with all of the claims that Beilein can't recruit. Games aren't played on paper and players wear numbers, not numbers of stars, on their jerseys. If anything, I think the evidence suggests that Beilein recruits better than most, it just takes a season or two to realize what an incredible job he's done. My .02 cents.
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