MAD AS HELL
OK. Being an immigrant is great and all. We all know that we came from immigrants and that the only true Americans are Native Americans. However, the vast majority of anglos whose ancestors migrated to the US did so legally. They overcrowded ships and entered ports in New York and so forth. They were forced to wait in holding structures similar to gyms while they waited for their names to be called to be processed into this country legally.
What seems to be taking shape now is that the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country feel that they deserve to be treated as equals when they illegally cross over or under our border. I agree that there should not be punishment for institutions that provide humanitarian support for those who make it over here illegally because it is the Christian thing to do. However, it is the American thing to do to secure our borders and round up people who disrespect our country by entering here illegally.
Those who enter illegally are not following the past traditions of the legal immigrants who came into this country during the industrial revolution and so forth and started a new generation of Americans. The illegals protesting in the streets have no right to say that this is a country of immigrants and that they are not criminals when a) they are criminals and b) there illegal entry into this country shows their contempt for our laws and should not be allowed the right to protest their cause in the streets of this country.
Technology is very advanced and applying for legal entry into this country should not be a problem. If you think that the AMerican COngress is trying to keep families apart then why did those families choose to enter a country illegally and split there families apart? Better living yes, but it could have been done legally and those other family members suck in the old country would not have a problem getting into this country on visas.
The main point is that politicians should not be bullied into granting amnesty to people who violate our laws which establishes their (the illegals) a pattern of contempt for the US legal system. It is not bigotry or xenophobia on my behalf but a call to lawmakers to enforce the laws of the US.
Immigrants are wonderful people they have shaped the landscape of these United States in more ways than one. However, illegals who direspect our society, the history of legal immigrants into this country and our laws should not be afforded the opportunity to utilize our helth care and public education unless they leave and decide to enter this country legally.
Who issued Miles Standish a green card?
It's funny that you should say "My anglo ancestors came here legally". Of course, they did because at the time there were few (if any) immigration laws. All they had to do was sign on the dotted line, no beaucracy to stifle their travel. Some didn't even do that, coming into harbors other than the infamous Ellis Island.
My own immigrant grandparents just walked ashore. Nothing stopped them. When my Irish great-granmother came here she didn't have to worry about the INS coming to pick her and her family up.
Now, back to the present. The biggest problem with this new wave of immigrants isn't that they're here illegally. It's that they're brown. Why isn't anyone rounding up the European immigrants (I'm once again referring to Irish and possibly eastern Europeans)? They're just as illegal but you don't see INS raiding their neighborhoods in NY or even Columbus, OH. Do those immigrants get under your skin as much?
Check out this article for more info on that. This is indeed a country built by immigrants, and even brown immigrants can offer our country something good.
Gratis, calm down. Playing the race card does not work any more. OJ destroyed it for everyone.
If there are white immigrants here illegally than they are criminals as well and should have to enter the country legally to be afforded the same rights as any American. The INS has a job to do. If you are here illegally then you fall in their jurisdiction and have to leave this country until you decide to respect its laws and enter legally.
Latino's have transformed many parts of this country, but trying to keep people here who have shown disrespect to this country by violating our laws is no way to keep transforming our country.
Don't play the race care, huh? The fact of the matter is that very few people even realize that there are illegals from Canada, Russia, Ireland, etc, and they don't care about them. They don't want anyone coming in here and messing up their "way of life". They'll enjoy the tacos and have some General Tsao's Chicken, but scream and yell about the people preparing that food.
You say it's not about race, but I know for a fact that it is. All you have to do is listen to people screaming about those "non-english speaking wetbacks" to know it. If you don't know anyone who's complained about the culture and color of immigrants then you're lucky. The fact is that most of America doesn't care that Europeans are coming here on visas and staying (illegally). They just care about whose coming over our southern border. That is hypocrisy and that is, indeed, racism.
While everyone has a right to earn a living…
I had to struggle to put my only child thru private school for 12 years…because the LAUSD is sooo horrible and over crowded.
I can’t tell you how many times I could not even put in an application for a job IN AMERICA , because I was not bi-lingual.
I cannot tell you how many times I have driven thru my neighborhood and slowly watched “for Rent” signs put up in Spanish only.
We won’t even mention the Gangs, drugs etc.
As for jobs…High school students can’t find entry level jobs, Americans who are dropouts have no chance of find employment when you have people willing to work for even less minimum wage.
It the illegals are given the right to stay,… it should come at a price. They must forever forfeit the right to vote.
Real rules should be enforced.
Must learn English
Any crime involving drugs, rape..etc…deportation.
No more “Anchor” babies.
And…the United States needs to get rid of all Sudo-American names. No Chinese-American, no African-American, No Mexican-American…JUST American.
Gratis,
It looks like all you think is that every American who is not of a different color is a racist. If you think that then you have just stoped the debate on immigration due to your cavalier classifications.
I highly doubt that the Canadian border problem even compares to the problems faced with the southern border. Most Canadians are proud to be Canadian and would not have anything to do with the US and the here, the like. Granted that people over stay their visa term (making that a crime), but you make a good point you say, "overstaying their visa." That would mean that they initially came into America legally. I have not seen pictures of tunnels through the Atlantic or in Canada. The immages you see are people jumping the border from the south. Why do you see that and why is there a focus on that border in particular. It's not, as you say, because they are racist but becasue it is a problem. People are dying becasue it is not being regulated and huge burdens are being placed on upstanding citizens in the area of health care and education and available work becasue enforcement is lagging.
I took the time to live in Costa Rica for 6 months for the sole purpose of learning Spanish. I am white, 100% Scottish and am married to a woman whose half Venezuelan and have many hispanic friends. Just because I want some or those who want some enforcement in the country does not mean I'm a racist.
All of view,
I imagine all of view sitting in a cozy chair, nice computer, sipping coffee and having time to think different ways to oversmart each other. In the meantime, ilegals are shaping up the country. They are not complaining, they are doing.
They broke the law, of course,they don't deserve a better life.I can give you that.
Apart from that or any plain or elaborate argument, when Texas was still a Republic and belonged to Mexico,circa 1800, the mexican government gave a permit to settle in Texas only to a bunch of families. But the fact is hundreds came to that land persuing their dreams of hard working and land. They broke the law.
Can we say we are even? American History can be perverse.
by the way, I'm illegal, but..oh, I write in english, Oh...I'm an active member of my community, oh... I pay my taxes, Oh... I pay for health insurance, oh...I use my brain.
Polizonte,
I'm glad you can and are doing all the things you so sarcastically say you do. If you want a better life, why don't you demand it from your government in Mexico. Oh wait, they instruct you on how to enter the US illegally so they don't have to be accountable for you, now that's having pride. If you want a better life you can do it legally.
Remember The Alamo and what happened after that. If you are trying to say that you are just taking back what we took from you then you should be aware that history repeats itself.
By the way. I'm an American. I took the time to legally enter a Latin American country and learn the language and customs. It was really hard I'm tellin you.
It looks like all you think is that every American who is not of a different color is a racist. If you think that then you have just stoped the debate on immigration due to your cavalier classifications.
Huh? A different color? Do you mean caucasian? I am positive that not all caucasians are racist- I'm proof of that (as is my family because I wasn't raised to judge people based on race and/or religion). And I doubt very seriously that anything you think I believe is going to stop any kind of debate. I don't give myself that much credit.
I didn't call you, personally, a racist. I don't know you so I can't make that call. I'm saying this "immigration debate" is inherently racist because the majority of Americans that oppose immigration do so because of where the immigrants hail from. I live in an "average American town" and I see blatant racism and bigotry everyday- and not just against the immigrants in our midst. At any rate, the immigration laws in this country disportionately favor affluent, educated, anglo-Europeans. That is a sad fact. So, either close the borders completely or make the road to citizenship more fair.
As far as my reference to Canadian immigration, I'm well aware that it's not really a problem. From what I see they may have a bigger problem with American emigrants than we with them coming here. Perhaps if we were so desperate to stop the flow from the south then we would do well to put pressure on the Mexican president to clean up the corruption in his country and strive to make life more livable there- it's not unheard of for the U.S. government to impose it's will on other nations.
If it was easier for poor (and,yes, brown) immigrants to gain citizenship perhaps they wouldn't be dying by the truckloads. Maybe if they could work openly they would be able to pay more taxes, be eligible for healthcare, and poor more of their own money into our economy. Eventually they would assimilate and the flow will subside- just like it did with the Chinese, the Italians, and the Irish.
TJ,
"Anchor babies"? I'm not following you with that one. Are you saying that babies born in the United States shouldn't be citizens? Are you also saying that you were denied housing and employment because you don't speak Spanish? And if (American) high school drop outs can't find jobs then I suggest they consider going back to school. I mean, my husband is white, doesn't speak a wit of Spanish, and has a decent (though not highly paid) job.
There should be nothing against immigrants, because after all we are all immigrants in one way or another. However, when you have 11 million illegal immigrants wanting everything that citizens and legal residents have, then you have a problem. Illegal immigration is out of control and it is nothing against those who are illegal but they should be aware of what might happen to them if they choose that path regardless if they are hard working or not.
BiG B,
There's a misconcept: inmigrant doesn't mean Mexican. We come from anywhere, it's kinda different of travelling, you don't go back home at the end of the trip, there's no going back (that's my case).
I'm glad you had the time to travel, but I'm sure you spent time in another country with sweet monet earned in US, or... did you try to survive in another place working extensive hours for a few bucks. Or even trying to get a job. Enjoy the right of give things for granted, that's a US way. We know the truth about life, you watch it on TV.
There's a concept somebody learns when have the chance to study a different culture and be able to see the differences: The winner always write or re write the History. Remember The Alamo... nice Hollywood movie.
I still haven't found out who issued Miles Standish a green card.
The fact that this issue gets so many xenophobes riled up is clear evidence of racism, IMHO. And it's perfectly legit to "play the race card" when there is real racism involved. Stop ducking the truth, bigots, and own your own bigotry.
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