DON'T FORGET THE SECTARIAN ABUSE THROWN AT ARTHUR BORUC ASWELL, AKA 'THE HOLIE GOALIE'.
while i am a celtic supporter, and therefore no fan of rangers (or their fans' antics), this is certainly not a one sided affair....
who's that lyin' by the seashore?
who's that lyin' by the sea?
it's norman tebbit and his wife
and she's paralyzed for life
and she won't be wearin' slippers any more.
... does that ring a bell...?
'Their display in Manchester was despicable...'
But nowhere near as despicable or as expensive to repair as the 'display' in Manchester at 11.16am on Saturday, 15 June 1996.
Great to see that even in the middle of a sectarian rant some people don't see themselves as sectarian.
Awww mccann were you missing your daily slapping you wee perve
'Awww mccann were you missing your daily slapping you wee perve.'
Full of intellectual rigour. Is Terry Fuckwit your icon?
Full of intellectual rigour. Is Terry Fuckwit your icon?
Andrew McCann | 08.29.08 - 8:24 am | #
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andy pandy you don't do irony do you? I guess it does take a certain amount of inteligence to have a sense of humour, nice to see the zoo keepers have taught you to use a keyboard
Don't worry they will be along with your banana soon enough
Sean
“Celtic fans are not, never were and never will be sectarian.”
Hmmm. I suppose that depends on how you define sectarianism, Adelante. Just like the Soviet Union had its own definition of ‘peace’ during the Cold War, people in our neck of the woods tend to have their own interpretations of what it means to be a bigot. For instance, I would view the singing of songs about the Provisional IRA by fans as an example of sectarianism, something which I witnessed a couple of weeks back at Belfast International as inebriated supporters were waiting to pick up their luggage at arrivals (though I must commend the clearly embarrassed Hoops fan who told the pathetic battalion of pub Provos to “fuck up”). I am guessing that you on the other hand would not find rebel songs to be examples of sectarianism. Fair enough. But, like Andrew McCann and some his nationalist foes that regularly slag each other off on this site, aren’t they just the sectarian mirror image of one another?
I may be a bit biased on this. I’m more of an Inverness Caledonian Thistle man myself.
'aren’t they just the sectarian mirror image of one another?'
Utter crap!! I don't detest someone of the basis of his Catholicism. I detest someone on the basis of his desire to destroy my country and subsume it into a foreign state and/or the support of terrorism to achieve such an end.
Sean
I'd tell you to go 'fuck yourself', but I doubt as to whether you have the emotional maturity or the biological tools.
Adelante,
That "is it cold in his shadow?" line is brilliant.
To be honest, Celtic does have a small section of idiots following them as well - most of whom (but not all) have never been to a game and couldn't be considered "fans".
I was quite young when Davie Cooper died but I remember that not all Celtic followers (as with other Scottish clubs) showed the poor man the respect he deserved.
On the other hand, Rangers do seem to have a much bigger problem with sectarianism and general hooliganism (witness Manchester versus Seville!). To compare proper rebel songs (excluding somewhat dubious songs like Celtic Symphony etc) with sectarian loyalist songs is ridiculous and smacks of moral equivalence.
Sean
I'd tell you to go 'fuck yourself', but I doubt as to whether you have the emotional maturity or the biological tools.
Andrew McCann | 08.29.08 - 12:07 pm | #
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Ahh that famous mccann wit at work again.
In response I would answer that I do have the emotional maturity to recognize that I do not have the biological tools to go fuck myself. i am not sure I would even want a wang that long or bend it enough to accomplish the task.
I am however quite sure that you have the emotional immaturity to get quite excited by thoughts of my wang and ass, too bad Mr. bad touch I don't play on your side of the field I quite like women. I am not a homophobe though so feel free to practice your alternative life style.
By the way until you take up residence Ireland is not your country so don't worry about it splitting up
'I quite like women...'
Poor them!!
'Ireland is not your country..'
True
Northern Ireland is though, and always will be.
Fitzy
Naw!
Celtic do have (admittedly small) groups of eedjits of varying degree's who if they were not green, then would be orange bigots. They are an irrelevance and well controlled by others around them should they rear their ugly heads, which it has to be said does not happen too often. This is one of the main differences between the Celtic and Rangers support. While they have a much, much larger and ingrained problem with sectarianism. They also do not have enough around to control the eedjits, perhaps because all too often the eedjits are the majority. There were many examples in Manchester of Rangers fans beating up their own fellow supporters who tried to stop the looting and violence. I know two of these, one a second cousin of mine. In short decent Rangers fans of the ilk who were applauded when leaving scarfs at paradise in memory of the late great TB have a hard job, and should be judged accordingly.
The "Nakamura ate ma dug" song (to the tune of London bridge is fallin doon) is an example of the easy racism that permeates the Rangers support. Celtic fans have similar eedjits in this regard but again we usually have enough sensible guys about to stop/prevent outbursts. The BJK campaign is a disgrace and plummets new depths even for Rangers fans. This man died for Scotland(literally) and does not deserve this latter day campaign to smear his name for the sake of team rivalry.
Anyhow two bad teams will again contest an auld firm match. Will I watch? Of course! Will ma erse be makin buttons? Bet yir life they will!
Mon the Hoops!
Tony:
Could not agree more. AT least you and Reg know what you are speaking about. Arseholes like Mc Cann just spleen venom. Bet he has never even watched a Celtic match, never mind attended one in the flesh. Mind you he could get pretty aroused at the sight of 22 men running around in shorts. Another cheap shot at Catholics me thinks!
The Daily Rectum Brigade on talking shite on this blog as well, with the old familiar 'they are both to blame' bullshit. Celtic can not be secterian. Big Jock, the greatest thing to ever happen to Celtic, was a Protestant. Tam Gemmel, Danny mc Grain, Daglaish etc were also Protestants. So many Parkhead legends were. It is therefore illogoical to argue that the club is secterian! Being proud of their Irish ethos is not secterian. Glasgow East has the largest Catholic population of any parliamentary constituency in 'the UK'. With the exception of Polish immigrants, most of these are of Irish extraction. It is only natural that a club in such an area, founded on the premise of aiding a struggling and oppressed Irish Diaspora should be proud to identify itself with Ireland and the political upheavel that it has experienced!
Rebel songs are not secterian! I invite any PC arsehole to tell me how they are. Songs of struggle and resistance are not secterian. Aiden Mc Anespie is about a young guy gunned down in cold blood. Hardly secterian. Fields of Athenrye is about the famine. The club was borne out of this tragic chapter in Irish history. The majority of Scottish./ Irish moved to Glasgow to escape the starvation. This is a song about the Celtic community and their history also. Once again not secterian! Compare to the chants of "up to our necks in Fenian blood". Clearly secterian overtones here! Just ask Mine Fuhrer Murray about it!
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My post!!!!!
There is no moral equivalence in the songs, it just provides those loath to state the obvious with a comfort blanket of generality. Should they state the usual bullshit that one side is as bad as the other then it is upto someone to point out the obvious and in polite company this can be embarrassing, thus people mostly keep their thoughts to themselves.
I didnae know Tommy Gemmel is a Prod so you have educated me. I reckon that many Rangers fans are less concerned with these matters now to be fair. Things are changing at castle greyskull, perhaps not fast enough though. However I should point out that having those of the religion that you supposedly despise in your team is no guarantee of non-sectarianism. Norn-Iron..............anyone?!?!
Tony:
Indeed Norn Iron is the perfect example. I would not set foot anywhere near Windsor Park when the team that aren't Brazil but Norn Iron are playing. Fergus and his cronnies could have been doing with a wee visit here to see what real secterianism is.
Many of the republican chants are not even secterian. Take the above post about the Norman Tebbitt chant( a chant I have never heard at Paradise or in a pub watching a Celtic match). This chant, as distasteful as some may find it, is not secterian. It is about the IRA's successful bombing of Brighton. This bombing had nothing to do with secterianism, but was against the ruling British administaration who were engaged in a war in the 6 co's. Once again it is not possible to construe this chant as secterian. Compare this with the chants of 'the Famines over why don't you fuck off home' coupled with the throwing of spuds at Barry Robson and you see a very different picture emerge. The Billy Boys are aware of the suffering of the Irish people during the Great Hunger and this sickening act is beyond contempt!
the display the rangers fans put on in manchester last may only seals their position in the hooligan hall of fame.
im sorry all you rangers fans but you must be the worst club on earth when it comes to sectarianism, racism and pure and utter hate.
( although we must remember there are some rangers fans who are normal ok people)
Poor performance today though.
Dare I say it, but Rangers were the better team on the day. The Hoops need to get their fingers out.
Tony/Adelante, I haven't seen them this season, why were Jan and Robson on the bench?
Reg:
I thought the defeat was due to dodgy defending at crucial times`. Kenny Missers two goals simply should not have been conceded. The firts saw a foul on a Hoops defender and as for the second I don't know what the fuck Boruc was playing at. Jan was on the bench because he was injured last week against Falkirk. I dont know why Robson was on the bench. Personally I think he controls the middle of the park for the Hoops and is the prefered partner for Hartley in the middle. Although saying that Scot Brown put in a powerful performance for Scotland against Norn Iron mid-week
What we need is a performance for the tic though Ad, he runs aboot like a wee boy. The Huns were the better team, no doubt, mainly because they have a manager who employs TACTICS. Note the word and mention it to wee Gordy should you ever see him.
Strachan is just not a manager of any note. He does not employ any discernible system outwith the basic 4-4-2. The fact that he can leave out our most influential player in Robson sums the man up.
In short he is a tube!
Lennon got beaten up and knocked unconscious. The Huns as graceful in victory as they are in defeat.
whilst the family of jock stein and Celtic "by and large" can ignore these idiots, you, adelante, most evidently can't....
Have people not yet figured out that Scottish football is crap? The same two mediocre teams share the cups and titles every season and have as much impact on the Champions League as Arsenal Ladies. Get a life!
I would agree that the attack on Lennon is a disgrace. I read about it in The Independent on 2nd September - the same article mentions an attack by "four youths dressed in green, white and yellow and thought to be Celtic supporters" on a 29 year old man at a Railway station. Equally disgraceful.
Why not admit that both sides have a problem - pretending that songs about killing people is okay can't really be condoned, can it?
Not unless you are blinded by bigotry!
"Have people not yet figured out that Scottish football is crap? The same two mediocre teams share the cups and titles every season and have as much impact on the Champions League as Arsenal Ladies."
Da,
So you should: a) only support "good" teams (kind of defeats the purpose of football supporter loyalty); b) teams from a competitive leagues (how many teams have won the Premiership since 1995-96)?
Speaking as someone whose chosen team is not even in the Premier League I don't disagree with that sentiment. Money is turning the Premier League into a two (possibly three or more again thanks to Arab money) horse race - but the football is of the highest quality.
My point would be more along the lines of why there isn't the same passion in Ireland for clubs from, say, the League of Wales.
People chose to support crap teams along tribal lines - don't try to pretend there is more to it than that and don't try to pretend there is top quality football played in Scotland.
Fitzy:
The same Norman Tebbitt you trumpet about was at the centre of a race row involving cricket in the 1980's. He derided youths of Asian extraction for cheering on Pakistan and Bangladesh instead of England.
Furthermore the BJK campaign of vilification and unwaranted slander is not just confined to the forces of darkness. Fans at Tynecastle and New Broomfield (about as friendly for a Tim as Ibrox or the Shankill) have taken to chanting it too.Even some Stranerear fans at Newton Steward got involved in it. So its not a case of your 'one is as bad as the other'. The issue is more about the bigotry most of it anti-Irish and anti-Catholic, that is still prevalent in Scotland. Even a radio DJ and members of Stiff Little Fingers got in on the act!
Ad
What's that about the Stranraer fans? And the DJ etc. tell us more.
Ps No need to explain about the Airdrie fans.
Tony:
I was informed that some of the Stranrear fans at Newtown Steard began chanting BJK and had a few banners etc.. I can't remeber the name of the DJ but I think he works for Real FM(?. hE ACTUALLY UTTERED THE WORDS LIVE ON AIR, AND WAS forced to make a half baked attempt at apologising following complaints made during the radio phone-in.
Is it Newton Stewart?
They don't have a fitba team.
If the DJ is Ewen Cameron of Real radio it is possible, a halfwit.
"People chose to support crap teams along tribal lines - don't try to pretend there is more to it than that and don't try to pretend there is top quality football played in Scotland."
Da,
Your first point is not correct. I would say that most Irish people support Celtic due to its proud representation of the Irish diaspora. There are many other reasons other than "cos they're fenian". Many also support them in Belfast as a result of the demise of local team Belfast Celtic.
I don't pretend that Scottish football is top quality. Although, to be honest, there's an awful lot of shite in the lower half of the Premiership as well.
"My point would be more along the lines of why there isn't the same passion in Ireland for clubs from, say, the League of Wales."
Fair point. Although, I don't think there is much of an Irish diaspora in Barry Town or in the streets of Total Network Solutions!
Tony:
The DJ from Real Radio was Steve Mc Kenna, I think. Another cracker was the response of ultragroup The Green Brigade to the BJK banners. The Green Brigade unfurled a banner with 'Scotlands Shame' with an arrow pointing towards the forces of darkness. Quality!!! Another DJ invited them on a show toe xplain the banner. The member of SLF that wore the BJK baseball cap was Ian Mc Callom, and Jake Stevens apologised for it.
Reg
I would say that Glaswegians considering themselves Irish after their families having been living in Scotland for over 150 years was fairly tribal.
I would say that travelling to support a team in a different Football League because you agree with their political loyalties - even if the football is crap - is fairly tribal. I am referring to both tribes here, by the way.
Why don't we all rush over to England to support Farsley Celtic and Stafford Rangers - gotta be a connection there somewhere!
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