Irish Blood ? What racist twaddle.
And horribly impractical - how do you decide who qualifies ? Someone whose great grandfather was originally from ireland even though every other ancestor had no Irish Blood ?
You going to set up a Nazi style tribunal to decide levels of Irishness akin to the assessment of Jewish Status ?
We owe nothing to this so-called Diaspora. You just want the plastics for more fools to vote SF as real Irish people won't support your party 
Nice try at a wind up LOL
Wondered when the favoured word 'plastics' accompanied by spittle no doubt would explode from your mouth Ivan. Gie yirsel a break man!
To be fair though Chris, imagine a whole host of slack-jawed, cross-eyed Appalachians, the results of several incestuous generations all decided to move back to Ireland. The six counties would have a permanent British majority for at least a generation(depending on whether sexual relations by sanguinity was outlawed), jeezo they may even make a claim for the rest of Ulster.
I would be able to claim my rights through my Antrim born granda. I remember dissapointing my wee boy who wants to play for Ireland just like Aiden McGeady, because his Granda on his Mammy's side was brought up in Donegal on the family farm but he was born in glasgow. I guess Ireland's loss will be Scotland's gain and it saves me ordering him to represent Scotland anyhow
Well, if they're British they can come and live here anyway. But on the general point of 'Irish blood' I agree with Ivan.
You make the assumption that Ireland is these people's home. But after 3 generations, and having been somewhere else since birth, that's highly unlikely. And you assume their Irish ethnicity is predominant. But with potentially 15/16th non-Irish blood in their veins, it's just as unlikely. So is an emotional attachment to an Ireland immortalised in mand-me-down family myths to become the criteria for citizenship of a modern Ireland?
Nah. These people are welcome to live here, but Irish citizenship shouldn't be handed out on the basis of "I want".
What more need be said than that the only other mob these who talk about diasporan yearnings etc are the loathsome Zionists - you keep strange company Chris.
Lot of room for interesting discussion - remember the mess the British got into with giving passports to their colonial peoples? If there was a serious take up of Irish citizenship and a whiff of a suggestion that many millions might actually want residency the Irish Government would have real problems.
Obviously they would have to be carefully screened by a by me and Chris, with possibly Ivan as the token Quaker.
Tony, all you have to do is get an address in the south, somebody to say they knew your granny and bingo, Scotland are screwed again.
Too much sangria.
Rule one - no men
Rule two - No Danas
agreed ?
No argument here.
No response from Chis - he has a thing about Dana, apparently has a signed picture of her in her glory days*
* may not be factual
Chris,
I don't believe in a complete open door policy. I lived in London for a while and saw at first hand what a cesspit certain parts of it have become as a result of that policy...I don't believe in multi-culturalism, I believe in integration. I know this sounds rich coming from an Irish man. The Irish aren't known for their integration except in one country, America."
Its not really rich coming from an Irish man, but it is rich coming from someone who purports to be socialist. It sounds like something you would read of those sub-standard, second rate BNP leaflets.
You don't believe in multiculturalism. Ok maybe the Aiden Mc Anespie GAA club in Boston and the hundreds of other GAA clubs set up by the Irish Diaspora across the globe should wind up, after all as you argue there is no place for Irish culture in other countries. Maybe we should cancel the big St Patricks day bash in NY? You would also be opposed to the promising rise in the number of children from ethnically diverese backgrounds that are beginning to play GAA games in English schools?
As for your absurd assertion that America is the only place where the Irish have integrated, have you ever heard of the Glasgow Irish? They set up one of the biggest and most successful football clubs in history. Your right wing rant on slamming shut the door of opportunity has distinct overtures of the likes of William Sayers Orr, who persecuted and attempted to marginalise the Irish in Glasgow, Greenock etc for years. In fact it was an attitude like yours that led to riots in the Greenock docks when Irish immigrant workers had to defend themselves against vile racist attacks.
What about Australia. 1/3 of all Aussies can claim some type of Irish heritage, the highest percentage anywhere on the planet. More successful than America/ So you do not like immigration then Chris. What about the hundreds of young Irish people, many from South Armagh including, going over there to find work? Can you enlighten me as to the difference between them and Eastern European immigrants fleeing persecution and seeking a better life?
People in glass houses Chris!
BTD - would we here recognize the "Irish " Culture you espouse in Boston and NY ?
Ivan,
Aiden Mc Anespie GAA tops are quite common in South Armagh and the 6 counties, so to use empirical evidence to answer your question yes it appears people do recognise the Irish culture of this instituition in Boston. So too do many people in Ireland listen to Irish American musicians such as the Young Dubliners, Flogging Molly etc, so again I guess this is recognition of the Irish culture of Irish America. Look at the success of Riverdance etc. The same situation applies to Glasgow. Celtic tops, a plethora of Irish rebel bands in a thriving Irish music scene and a resurgence in the popularity of Irish dancing along with a whole host of republican flute bands. Judge for yourself Ivan.
BTD - Irish people sneer at Riverdance and the like. Sorry. But with few exceptions we find you an embarrassment culturally and politically.
Ivan
Define the "we" that you refer to please?
Obs
Enjoyin yir holiday? Espana is it?
many people in Ireland listen to Irish American musicians such as the Young Dubliners, Flogging Molly etc,
Not too many, mate.
Tony - the vast majority of us on both sides of the border. Sure, we'll be polite to tourists and politicians like Adams will be shameless for their dollars, but really, The two extremes - Disneyish Derby O'Gill and the Dropkick Murphy brigade ? No thanks.
American St Patrick Parades with green beer and bagels ? Green Nuremburg. Right wing politics and Racism.
As a Scot though you would be exempt - folks might hate to admit it, but the cultures in the British Isles have a lot in common.
Ivan,
may I point out at this stage that Iam not Irish American nor am I a member of the Glasgow Irish, so I don't see how Irish people would find their fellow citizen "But with few exceptions we find you an embarrassment culturally and politically".
The Glasgow Irish are the most remarkable elemnt of the Irish Diaspora and the people I most admire. I have many friends and comrades amongst the Glasgow Irish and despite what you choose to belief Ivan these people classify themselves as Irish and are unashamedly proud of this fact. The tenacity they have shown throughout the paliphsest of history is truly remarkable as they battled to overcome and conquer both religious and racial hatred. In fact the very being and identity of the Glasgow Irish is today still under attack and threat. Politicians and demagogues use media sound bites and familiar lies to try and portray the Glasgow Irish as some monolith of secterian degenerates and are seeking to effectively stomp out the ability of those in Glasgow to assert any claim to Irish heritage!
There are quite a few exceptions Ivan. Celtic and the GAA are indeed massive exceptions. If you took your head out of your own anus for a milisecond you would realise the huge popularirty both instituitions enjoy with the Irish Diaspora. They are both founded on the premise of preserving Irish heritage and culture. The popularity of Irish dancing across the globe is another exception.
Tony
Sort of.
Rained all day. Makes you homesick.
Two points:
1) America assigns citizenship by place of birth. It's depressing that you attribute the unease you felt in some areas of London to the fact that it was populated by immigrants rather than attributing it to, say, poverty.
2) Jus Sanguinis is not the opposite of Jus Soli. They are just different ways of distinguishing the citizen from the non-citizen. That does not make them opposites. That's like saying that a solicitor is the opposite of a barrister.
American St Patrick Parades with green beer and bagels ? Green Nuremburg. Right wing politics and Racism.
Too late. You already have such parades that are more OTT than anything to be found in NY or Boston.
And you'll have to tell me where the green beer and bagels are to be found in this country. I've never seen them, nor has anyone I know. It's an urban legend that you fell for.
On the few occasions that these things were produced, it was for a joke, and guys like youze thought it was the real thing!
Ivan
Granted Irish-American music is bloody awful and some tourists can be annoying. However the same can be said of most tourists, indeed recent surveys reckon that the Russki's, recently moneyed are annoying the shit out of everybody.
The reason I asked you to define the 'we' is because I don't believe the generalisations at all. For the most part, the Irish and my own mob in Scotland who get loads of Yanks are overwhelmingly welcoming and friendly.
Before the deluge
You are spot on in so many ways. In fact a lot of what you have said has already had me thinking lately, indeed questioning whether I value my Irish heritage enough, and for what reasons don't I.
Phantom
Don't they turn the Chicago river green? Brilliant and only in America, unlike Belfast where green even on Paddy's day is frowned upon unless it has a crown on it.
http://tinyurl.com/ast92s
Phantom - http://anthonyjstewart.smugmug.c...9799_TJjpA-A-
LB
Nuff said. Says a lot that you are so ashamed and repelled by the USA that you have to try to adopt an alternative identity.
BTD - Those Glaswegians can classify themselves as martians, it still does not alter the fact that they are Scottish rather than Irish 
Irish Dancing ? Oh please.
As for the notion that the diaspora are attached to Celtic and the GAA to preserve Irish Culture and Heritage ?
An invented pseudo-national group clinging to a fake culture that was dreamed up as part of the romantic Irish National movement in the 19th century ? Really rather sad and pathetic.
Fr Brown S.J in 1939 quoted Lamartine -
"Nation, mot pompeux pour dire barbarie" (Nation, a pompous word for barbarity).
Tony - the reality is that we have a composite identity in the British Isles with Ireland having had input to English, Scottish and Welsh and vice-versa.
Ivan
Once again you are having a straw man argument with me At least do me the courtesy of allowing me to put forward an argument before you rebutt.
I have 'she who must be obeyed' breathing down my neck as I type. I have floorboard repairs and painting inside and out to do, some wallpapering, a B&Q visit, a shed to put up a 2 year old running wild and general mayhem here. So really you are welcome to put up my case for me, cos I am not going to get the time.
Ivan,
"Those Glaswegians can classify themselves as martians, it still does not alter the fact that they are Scottish rather than Irish "
No Ivan, they are Irish hence the term 'Glasgow Irish'. You on the other hand may seek to attribute whatever term you wish, but if you ask these people and indeed the 'natives' of the countries the Irish fled to you will see that the view is that they are categorically Irish.
What about your own beloved monarch Elizabrit? Is she not a German married to a Greek? I suppose the Kennedys were in no way Irish also?
Many people are proud of their Irish roots and the only people you speak for are the arseholes like Wogan and Mc Guigan who were born Irish bt so desperately want to be English!
They are not Irish. They are Scots.
Sorry BTD - Irish is born in Ireland.
They can call properly call themselves, if Scottish isn't good enough for them, Scots of Irish descent.
Tony - if read what I said previously on another thread you'll see that I haven't said that we are unpleasant or rude to visitors. Basic good manners and more importantly usually - they want their money and support.
Wonderful story about a visiting Noraid party - "quick , hide the picture of Che, here come the yanks".
I've often raised the Republican hypocrisy over the years in dealings , usually begging missions, with the Yanks. Adams and co in full Oirish mode and don't mention the support for the N Vietnamese, Cubans, PLO, ETA and FARC.
If only that was your only agenda Ivan then it might be for the good.
Scottish Observer
Aye and no. For too long the Irish in the west of Scotland in particular were treated as something 'other' than Scots. Should you care to ask me I am Scottish from an irish background, ask my Da and he is Irish. My Da is probably 4th generation. My cousins in Australia mainly consider themselves to be Irish despite like me having a very Scottish upbringing. We have to look at the reasons why?
Interesting statistic that perhaps is indicative of my own feelings. The city of Dundee had around the same proportion of generational Irish immigrants as Glasgow. Yet as you might know there is little sectarianism in Dundee. Dundee's immigrants were almost exclusively Catholic whereas almost a third in Glasgow were Prods, bringing the Orange order with them. If memory serves it was one of Tam Devine's books that I read this.
However let's go for the safe uncontroversial bet and say wan side is as bad as the other eh? Or better still blame the Catholic schoo.....*yawns*
I blame both sides. I have no truck with Orange bigots and a persons religious beliefs are of no concern to me at all. However, these people are 100% Scots, irrespective of the ancestry of their forebears. If they wish to celebrate their ancestry/ culture, fine, count me in, mines a Glenfiddich. However, if they rubbish the country which bred and nurtured them, then Im going to have a problem. Like many people here, I just want people to unite under the Saltire ( 1000 years older than the Tricolour ). And , for the record, great relations with our Irish cousins, North and South.
Why couldnt you just speak out of both sides of your mouth as the decent party does, see example below
SDLP TO PRESENT FLEADH MOTION TO COUNCIL
SDLP councillors Gary Stokes and Josephine O' Hare are to put a motion to Newry and Mourne District asking the council to form a group comprising of elected representatives, local members of Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann, local business organisations, and any other relevant interested parties to explore the possibility of bringing Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann to this area in or before the year 2012.
Commenting on the motion Councillor Stokes said:
“Earlier in the year SDLP MLA Dominic Bradley held talks with Comhaltas Director General Senator Labhras Ó Murchú on the possibility of the Fleadh coming to the North. We have received very positive signals from Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann that a venue for Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann in the North would be very much welcomed. After this year’s All-Ireland Fleadh Senator Ó Murchú again indicated that he thought that the time is right for the Fleadh to come north.
“Now is the time to begin the process of advancing Newry as a suitable location for the Fleadh and the SDLP motion is aimed at establishing a group which would bring forward the project.”
Councillor O' Hare added:
“Traditional music is a shared aspect of our cultural heritage and there is every possibility that the Fleadh could act as a platform for all strands of tradition here. As well as that the Fleadh offers a tremendous opportunity to market the area as a tourist venue not only on an all-island basis but at international level as well. The Fleadh offers the opportunity to promote our area and the formation of this group will be the first step in that direction. We should grab that opportunity.”
ENDS
Patsy McGlone 2nd September 2009
Cookstown SDLP Call on Council to Lobby for Fleadh Cheoil
SDLP Councillors in Cookstown are asking the Council to lobby Comholtas Ceoltóirí Éireann (CCE) to hold next year’s Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann in the local area. The motion to Council is signed by SDLP Cllrs Mary Baker, Peter Cassidy, James McGarvey, Patsy McGlone & Tony Quinn.
SDLP MLA for Mid Ulster, Patsy McGlone, said the news that Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann (CCÉ) is considering holding the all-Ireland Fleadh Cheoil at a northern venue offers new opportunities to promote our rich cultural tradition, and would provide a much needed boost to the local economy.
Mr McGlone said: “The recent statement from CCÉ Director General Senator Labhras Ó Murchú will be warmly welcomed by all lovers of Irish music and culture. My party colleague, Culture, Arts and Leisure spokesperson PJ Bradley called for just such a move earlier this year. More recently, an ad hoc cross-border group of elected representatives met with Senator Ó Murchú and the leadership of CCÉ to discuss the idea.
“Previous Fleadhanna, including this year’s event, the 59th Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann, held in
PS- I am well aware of the poor treatment meted to the Irish. However I would never tolerate or condone such, and neither would the vast bulk of the populace now.
SO
Agree with everything you say, although the 'blame both sides' bit is utter bullshit. It was the norm to ignore the latent almost casual anti-Catholicism that permeated the whole of Scottish society for too long. Thanks to UEFA and to some extent wee Jack McConnell, the elephant in the room was allowed to be spoken about especially by the meeja. To use the lazy fallback about blaming 'both sides' merely absolves one side in my view and disenfranchises the other with a sense of unfairness.
The side absolved is in fact moving away from Scottishness, at an alarming rate. Their britishness much, much more important than their Scottishness.
I do blame both sides,although I will say that as a youngster many older prods viewed catholics with a certain suspicion, and many were downright hostile. Looked at from another angle, however, the catholic church in these days certainly gave cause for suspicion. My father used to say there were no atheists "doon the pit ". I myself, an old ex-footballer, have been on the receiving end of sectarian abuse from both sides. I hate it, always will do.
SO
Ok you blame both sides, why exactly?
What is this suspicion regarding the church, and what was it based on, the cause you mention?
What team did ye play for
Tony
You got me there. But that ( dyeing the Chicago river green ) is fun. Why kill people for having a bit of fun?
Ivan
Who's repelled by the USA?
There would be few in this country who have a greater love of the US than the Irish Americans, regardless of left wing / right wing / no wing politics
The big majority of Irish Americans don't even see themselves as Irish Americans, they see themselves as Americans.
But for those that have ties to or knowledge of or love of Ireland, we see zero conflict with any of that and having a love and respect for America.
Lovely Identificational Schizophrenia TP. American when it suits and Irish when it suits
And isn't St Patrick's day supposed to be a sacred devotional day ? Not an excuse for self-indulgent bacchanalia?
The Dundee point is interesting Tony. Scotland was fiercely protestant and suspicious of Rome before the Plantation and long before the OO was founded.
As for Scottish sectarianism - it;s not the only factor by a long way, but the RC Bishop of Motherwell Joseph Devine admitted that their insistence on segregated schooling was a contributory factor but sometimes a price worth paying.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotl...and/
2274383.stm
" Catholic education is "divisive" and contributes to the problem of "sectarianism", according to a Scottish bishop.
But Joseph Devine, Bishop of Motherwell, told the Sunday Herald newspaper it was sometimes "a price worth paying". "
Tony- can you guess? ( cant resist this ). A prominent Junior team from a supposed Orange bastion which is 10 years older than Celtic , and was almost called ........ Celtic when it was founded. Oh, and by the way produced more Seniors, more International players, and more Celtic players than any other club in Scotland. One incident which I remember from my youth ( many years ago ) was being turned away from a Catholic youth club having gone there with a Catholic friend. He was , of course, perfectly free and welcome to attend mine. Incidents such as this confirm suspicion ( wrongly ) of seperateness, of a community apart.
Tony,
read an interesting article in TAL fanzine a number of years ago and it addressed the issue of the Irish in and around Dundee, Lochee etc.. The main reason apparently why the Irish were not hounded out of Dundee is that the vast majority as you already alluded to where of RC belief. This blended in perfectly with the homogenous demographic of the majority of Dundees inhabitants. Where there was a dearth of homogeneity ie Glasgow, Greenock, Paisley etc we all know what type of reception the Irish got.
I think the blame for centuries of anti-Irish bigotry in Glasgow must be attributed carefully. In many ways I feel that it is the establishments fault. I don't blame the bigot on the street, these benighted idiots believed the lies they were fed by the likes of William Sayers Orr and other prominent demagogues over the years.
I believe that the Scottish political establishment, who we are now told are leading an almighty crusade against sectarianism, must shoulder the blame. They permitted and in many cases nurtured anti-Irish bigotry in order to attain their vested self interests. Just look at the vilification of Sandy Mann after he successfully defended those charged over the smashing of the van raid. Indeed the fact that Fr Mc Grory was arrested over this incident demonstrates just how institutionalised the scourge of ant-Irish bigotry was. I remember a member of the Glasgow Irish telling me how he read in a copy of Collins Encyclopedia of Scotland ( I think it was this publication, I am not totally sure!) about the Glasgow Irish and that the book dedicated a mere two lines to that community. In fact the two lines went some way to perpetuate the myth that the Irish were the dregs of society portraying them as a burden on poor houses and RC soup kitchens.
Ivan,
your hostility towards 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Irish is now bordering on racism. What about those of Polish and Nigerian extraction in Ireland today/ Are they Irish or what? Do you seek to erase any vestige of their Polish or Nigerian culture?I have a mate who is half Cantonese. Despite being born in and living in Ireland for the last 20 odd years he views himself as Oriental and is proud of both his Irish and Cantonese roots. Is this wrong?
BTD - it's really rather simple. If people are born in Ireland they are Irish. If someone comes to Ireland from Poland where they were born then they are Polish - and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If they take Irish Citizenship then they are Irish.
No Racism from me. Do we accept that the Irish are A race ? I don't.
The racism is from those who feel the need to call themselves Irish even though they and their parents and Grandparents were born in another country. So, if we stick with America, those who call themselves Irish are in effect being racist as they are setting themselves apart from their fellow Americans because they claim to be a different race.
Have you read Noel Ignatiev's excellent book ?
Ivan,
you still have not told me whether my mate is wrong to view himself as Cantonese and to be proud of his oriental roots.
you still have not told me whether my mate is wrong to view himself as Cantonese
That isn't what you said before.
I have a mate who is half Cantonese. Despite being born in and living in Ireland for the last 20 odd years he views himself as Oriental and is proud of both his Irish and Cantonese roots.
Is Cantonese a race ? I'm not an expert on race but I assume his race is Han Chinese ? Are both his parents the same race?
Ivan
A serious case of selective misquoting been done on Bishop Devine. I am sure that those quotes would've been picked out from altogether more informative sentences. Regardless you have a fair point regarding generations of Irish and represent a road that many irish immigrants have taken, and that was to integrate, often at the expense of their name and identity. To be conspicously Irish was to invite unwanted attention.
The schools issue is a no brainer. I went to a Catholic school in that hotbed of sectarianism Melbourne Australia, there are Catholic schools across the globe. There only seems to be trouble where there are catholic haters, yet they seek to somehow blame the victim. Had a coversation with a wee fella out my backyard the other day(he was knockin my wood from auld shed) he told me he went "tae the Mungo" St. Mungo's being the local Catholic secondary. Thing is the wee guy was wearing a Rangers top, not unusual these last ten years or so for some Catholic kids to support Rangers. However it turns out he was a Prod as well, as were a lot of his peers. Twenty years ago when i was there it would have been unheard of to have a non Catholic at the Mungo. Incidently my childrens primary school is now almost certainly 1/3 prod.
So where are these kids learning their anti-Prod sectarianism, when their classmates go to the toilet or in the confessional perhaps?
Far too easy SO, Larkhall thistle
Yep there are many singular sectarian incidents where this or that happened, and like yourself I have been on the recieving end. I wonder what Rangers could have done for a young Danny McGrain if his middle name not been fergus, nah! They would've ruined him
BTD-what is it with that name, a hellava moothfie!
I used to read TAL years ago, and more recently on-line a few years back, some really good writers. Regarding the recording of the Irish imput into Scotland in yon encyclopedia, I reckon you and I have been reading a lot of the same stuff lately. Have you been reading the book Celtic minded at all? because that book is what I was referring to that had me thinking and some of your comments remind me of it.
Whare do you hail from incidently? oh and the bold Ivan will learn you a few tricks if you let him
Lovely Identificational Schizophrenia TP. American when it suits and Irish when it suits
And isn't St Patrick's day supposed to be a sacred devotional day ? Not an excuse for self-indulgent bacchanalia?
You have some deep-seated hangups, amigo. It's not a tactical thing, and nobody has to choose to like one and loathe the other.
Not sure what the St. Patrick's Day comment is trying to attempt to say. It is a fun day, not just for Irish, not just for Irish Americans. My Chinese and Japanese and other friends often enjoy the parade and the, ahem, craic, afterward.
Life isn't one big either/or.
Well done. Im impressed. Im a "larky" boy although I havent lived there for years. When I was young there, it was a great place. I once had a furious argument with a Croy man who would not beleive that there were more Catholics in dear old Larky than in Croy, and that Larkhall Celtic supporters Club was the 2nd oldest in Scotland. I always attributed the local harmony partly to the vestiges of a mining community with all its benefits. I wonder how my team would have got on if they had adopted the name Celtic. The other local club, Royal Albert, were Seniors.
Phantom - what are your thoughts on the Gay Row and the St Patrick's Day Parades?
Tony - I don't think he was selectively misquoted. I followed the story closely at the time and I didn't see any clarification or denial issued.
In fact that row was in September 2002. In December 2002 he went on to bitterly oppose Shared Campuses for both primary and secondary schools. Not integrated schools, just sharing a campus.
Tony- another teaser--- Larkhall man , masonic connections who was Celtics longest serving employee but never actually took a wage?
SO
Ye've goat me bamboozled No goat a Danny ah'm afraid.
Ivan
It is the only plausible explanation. Check your newspaper report it is all in isolation, and the Catholic spokesperson vehemently disagrre's, as does all right thinking people. Don't you?
I don't think it is the only plausible explanation Tony - and where does the Catholic spokesman vehemently disagree ?
It was widely covered in and by, among others , the Scotsman, the Herald and the BBC.
Ivan
I'm not a big one for parades - we have way too many of them in NYC as it is.
But basically, I think parade organizers should run their parades as they see fit.
So, if they want to be homophobic That is up to them Phantom ?
I don't concede the point. They're not homophobic. They don't allow groups to advertise their sexuality regardless of whether it be gay, straight or whatever.
This is the ultimate non issue. Who cares?
They're not homophobic
Who do you think you are kidding ? LOL
Jimmy Steele
Even if they were, it would be a non issue
But seeing as there are no " Straight Contingents " , it's hard to see anyone being harmed
A total bullshit issue from ten years ago or more
Ivan
"His comments prompted an angry reaction from John Oates, of the Catholic Education Commission.
Mr Oates said Catholic schools were the antithesis of bigotry and sectarianism, and to suggest otherwise was "insulting".
SO
Unpaid eh? wonder what the wife thought. Here is an article about the death of Tam burns but mentions what he thought of yer man;
http://tinyurl.com/ot75b3
Tony, he was indepentedly wealthy. A man who was universally admired, and a man who crossed and broke barriers. He sometimes helped us, and getting his treatment made you feel like Superman. He was also the Scotland physio, again unpaid, for donkeys years
Tony - so how come Bishop Devine did not retract or clarify and explain the opposition to Catholic schools sharing a campus - separate classes mind - with protestant schools ?
Tell you what Ivan give me more to work on than that, it is obvious that a couple of words have been snatched out of a longer sentence. Could mean something....................but then again. Also re-shared campuses. If I remember right some Prod parents kicked up a stink about a religous statue in the shared entrance. No, it wasn't that they objected to religion objects on principle, just that it was a fenian thing and they wanted a union flag to even things up. God luv bigoted arseholes
SO
Stick around, we might educate these Irish devils, they drink muddy water instead of the real stuff don't ye know
The Irish invented Whiskey, the Scots invented toliet duck!
Tony,
Danny Fergie Mc Grain had a lucky escape if you ask me. The story about TFOD scouts looking at him only to have their enthusiasm dampened by his fenian sounding name is one of my favourites. My favourite story about Danny is from when an ex-Kilmarnock coach told him "Danny you were unlucky. We were going to sign you only you were a few inches too small." To this Danny retorted "I have a European medal and you reckon I'm the unlucky one!". Jock, Mc Grain, Dalglsh, Tam Gemmell all legendary Bhoys and Prods as well. The one side is as bad as the other myth is easily laid lie to when one considers how Celtic had these bhoys playing for them while TFOD had a policy of refusing to sign Tims until a certain arsehole called Souie came onto the scene.
Btw Tony what do you make of Mine Fuhrers exit policy at old Castlegreyskull. Its the funniest thing I've senn these last few months with the exception of the claim TFOD were on the verge of signing Trezeguet for 7 million. For a club with feck all money thats a hell of a lot of shirt buttons! But alas all was not lost they signed Rothen on a free!lol
BTD
Murray is still there as he still has majority ownership, perhaps he will play a similar role to Putin where we all pretend that he isn't in charge. I have not heard the story about trezueget.
Chris
Sticks and stones won't help your muddy water taste or smell as sweet as oor toilet duck.
Tony,
old Mine Fuhrer is in a no win position. TFOD faithful were not so long ago heralding as the men that reinvented their club with his big name, big money signings of the early 1990s (and we all know where that has left them now!). Once the coffers began to dry up they were calling for his old head on a chopping block. I see that the general feeling among that other lot is that it is time Murray fecked off. The fans were really starting to get annoyed at their lack of activity in the transfer market while the gazed enviously as we spend approximately 7-8 million.
Not that we would be that ungrateful at all. You would never find a section of disgruntled Tims calling for a manager that led us to the last 16 of the CL twice and 3 SPL titles in a row to resign after losing the league to TFOD on the last day!lol
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