I'm not familiar with the details of the first incident but my insticnt is to totally agree with you, the Catholic church and (sickeningly) Alex Salmond. Blessing yourselves just seems to be something religious folk do.
But defending the deliberate provocation (there's no way to argue ignorance given what happened previously) is pathetic. I know a lot of Rangers (and Celtic) fans are scumbags, but that's no reason to stoop to their level.
I think anyone who is offended by a Pope t-shirt should get a life.
Do you go to mass on Sundays, Chris.
the song accompanying the video is pathetic... this kind of grotesque hiberno-ethno-nationalist crap is unfortunately getting more and more common.. there are even signs in derry now saying "kill all huns", written over all things, a tricolour. this utter debasement of irish nationalism and republicanism is deplorable... and a lot of it has to do with the "culture" surrounding celtic. its got sweet fa to do with irish republicaniam....
"and a lot of it has to do with the "culture" surrounding celtic"
Hang on a sec, Dub. What culture is that? You're not tarring all Celtic fans with the same brush are you?
Compare the tattooed uber-"nationalist" thugs who wear the Celtic jersey walking down the street (but probably don't even know when they are playing) v the repsectable working and professional people I know (friends and family) who travel over to see them often.
Only one group are actual Celtic fans.
Personally, I think Artur was a bit childish doing this at an Old Firm match. However, I previously thought his t-shirt referred to the current Pope (which would be random) as opposed to JPII who is pretty much a national hero in Poland - it makes it slightly more understandable.
With Boruc being from Poland i understand him wearing the t-shirt. But at a rangers game! I have to admit i think he was getting a dig at them
I heard strachan said something along the lines of "I would understand them complaining if it was a t-shirt with Myra Hindleys face on it"
Sure what about the Rangers keeper in 97 wearing a black armband when LVF King Rat died.
I would worry about anyone who compares Pope John Paul II to that likes of Billy Wright.
Just read your latest post on ATW, Chris. If you had brains, sadly, not evidenced on your blog, you'd realise why it is you are permitted to post on that hate site, are taken by a ride by a jail-dodger and the rest of us are not.
Little do you know, (but I do, as indeed as you claim to have done, Ive kept a note of what you've said here) that what you've written here will prejudice your career in law for an unforeseeable time to come.
Interesting how solicitors differ on what constitutes incitement to hatred, isn't it?
See you around.
PS: BTW, note the grammar above. It might encourage a better class of client that any you're ever likely to come across over the next 10 years.
"what you've written here will prejudice your career in law for an unforeseeable time to come."
LOL, you wish! My career in law is secure!
"Interesting how solicitors differ on what constitutes incitement to hatred, isn't it?"
Any time you feel like throwing that dice just remember one thing; my bite is a lot worse than my bark!
"Under the Northern Ireland Civil Service Internet and E-Mail Usage policy, set out in the NICS Staff Handbook, Northern Ireland civil servants are permitted to use official computer facilities for personal use," the spokesman said.
"Use of official facilities by staff for personal use is restricted to an individual's own time during non-working hours at lunch or before and after work.
"Any member of staff found to be in breach of this policy or to be using official facilities inappropriately may be subject to disciplinary action under the NICS Disciplinary Procedure."
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You are out of your league Jo; now crawl back under your rock!
Wasn't John Paul 11 a goalkeeper for Krakow at one time?
Anyone who chooses to be offended by someone else's religious beliefs is suggesting there is something inherently shameful or offensive about said persons religion.
Hence they are a bollox and deserve to have it slapped up them.
I heard Gregory Campbell say it was tantamount to the Rangers goalie wearing a T shirt with Knox's picture on it!!!
Most Celtic fans wouldn't have a clue who he was.
Most Rangers fans wouldn't either.
Cartoonist in the Irish News, I think
Anyone who chooses to be offended by someone else's religious beliefs is suggesting there is something inherently shameful or offensive about said persons religion.
Hence they are a bollox and deserve to have it slapped up them.
My thoughts exactly.
Yeah Chris, fucking scared here.
Jo | 04.30.08 - 11:24 pm | #
You might work in your Dromintee bar at half eleven. I'm not in my office at that time, woe is me!
Now I am trying to think who else threatened me recently with "telling" my employers. 
I cant recall at this moment... but it was the first time it happened since I was in P6.
Anyone with a shadow of self awareness would catch themselves on.
Newry Republican:
It is totally missing the point comparing the Rat to JP1. JP1 didn't maasacre innocent nationalists.
Observer:
Good point. Didn't expect you to know about JP1 and Wisla Krakow. You obviously have hidden depths I have yet to discover!
I think Artur had every right to wear the T-shirt. He is a proud Catholic. JP1 is held in very high esteem in Poland. However as an avid Hoops fan I am only too well aware of Arturs antics, and I have a sneaking suspicion he may have been trying to wind up the Teddy Bear Hums with this one. Do I have a problem with this? Absolutely fucking not!!!!!!!!
"Little do you know, (but I do, as indeed as you claim to have done, Ive kept a note of what you've said here) that what you've written here will prejudice your career in law for an unforeseeable time to come."
"PS: BTW, note the grammar above."
Are you trying to say English isn't your first language?
"You might work in your Dromintee bar at half eleven"
I don't work in a Dromintee bar and I never have.
You have threatned to contact the Law Society on several occassions, as I said before go ahead. I know for a fact that several of them read this blog on a regular occassion.
I have nothing to fear, you on the other hand have a lot to fear.
I have already showed certain comments, times, IP's etc to certain Civil Servants and they tell me they would make for interesting DP.
Adelante,
You mean JPII!! JPI was an Italian geezer who died after a few weeks in the hot seat.
Anywho, I see Rangers are into the UEFA Cup final. A great achievement for them. I could see it coming though; Fiorentina didn't look like scoring in a week.
Reg:
Apologies for the oversight. Yeah and fairness while they did not play great football they soaked up the pressure and won on penaltie, a habit of theirs lately. This is typical of the type of football they have played this season under Wally Smith. Hope they lose the final, and due to the mounting injury list and suspensions the SPL as well. Funny how the SFA granted an extension to the Teddy Bears yet wouldn't even give Celtic a later kick off time when they reached the final in Seville!
"Funny how the SFA granted an extension to the Teddy Bears yet wouldn't even give Celtic a later kick off time when they reached the final in Seville!"
Aye, strange one that. I'm not one of the Celtic conspiracy-theorists but it is a striking contrast.
Rangers play terrible football but I do have a grudging admiration. They are clearly a very limited team so they are playing to their strengths.
'Just read your latest post on ATW, Chris. If you had brains, sadly, not evidenced on your blog, you'd realise why it is you are permitted to post on that hate site, are taken by a ride by a jail-dodger and the rest of us are not.'
What's all this stuff you've been saying about D.V. anyone by calling him a jail dodger and suggesting he was a former loyalist in other posts I've seen on Slugger?
If you have some evidence let us know, otherwise you're just coming across as a really creepy D.V. internet stalker
Liam
She is a stalker, a very creepy one.
...but perhaps not a very effective one!
I don't work in a Dromintee bar and I never have
LOL, I never said she was effective
You going to read David's book, Chris?
I think so, at some stage.
I find your threat above quite astounding Chris. You've shared details with others, including the IP address of posts that someone (who may or not be me)appear to have made?
Who might these people be? Given that we have recently argued about the facts surrounding a murder occurring near you, might you not be threatening me and implicitly anyomne who posts on your site?
Should I interpret what you've written as a threat on my life? I'll seek my own legal advice on that.
You want people to post here and thats what you reveal what you do with their information?
Amazing and revelatory material about a Sinn Fein member, albeit one from the 3rd division.
If I were minded like you, I might show your blog to some people who you wouldn't ever want to meet.
Again, your atttiude to people expressing their opinion, which you invite, shows your true attitude to freedom of speech.
And its exactly similar to that of a certain seriously ill hate monger who you dont allow to be mentioned.
*Dont allow*
How CB is that???
"I find your threat above quite astounding Chris."
It isn't a threat, merely a statement of fact.
"You've shared details with others, including the IP address of posts that someone (who may or not be me)appear to have made?"
I showed them posts made from a civil service IP during working hours.
"Who might these people be?"
Never you mind!
"Given that we have recently argued about the facts surrounding a murder occurring near you, might you not be threatening me and implicitly anyomne who posts on your site?"
LOL, you are clearly unbalanced Jo, get a life!
"Should I interpret what you've written as a threat on my life?"
Only an idiot could come to that conclusion.
"I'll seek my own legal advice on that."
Do what you like! It's not a Solicitor you need though, you need a psychologist!
"You want people to post here and thats what you reveal what you do with their information?"
What? Any chance you could repost in English?
"Amazing and revelatory material about a Sinn Fein member, albeit one from the 3rd division."
LOL, I wasn't aware those sorts of division occurred in Sinn Fein.
"If I were minded like you, I might show your blog to some people who you wouldn't ever want to meet."
You can show my blog to whoever you like, it's a blog FFS! It's supposed to be public!
"Again, your atttiude to people expressing their opinion, which you invite, shows your true attitude to freedom of speech."
You are a troll and a sock-puppet; I don't care what you think!
I never asked you to comment here, you did that all on your own. If you choose to never post here again I won't lose any sleep.
"How CB is that???"
CB?
Liam
Time will tell about the background of certain individuals. Certain people (obviously not Chris) detest Vance as much as I do.
If someone like him talks a lot of talk about wanting people dead then, in the past, either they took part in trying to make that happen or else they're talking hypocritical rabble rousing armchair-general shit.
Its not personal. I pay my licence fee and see that man appear disproportionately to any group he represents.
He is hardly a David Dunseith or Fionnuala O'Connor. Having recently in his book admitted his residency in Ballyoran estate (Portadown) the murders of a number of Catholics (Trainor, Connolly) in that estate were conspicuously absent.
I wonder why? Further, why doesn't the owner of this site?
Jo
You are obsessed with David! I find you as mentally stable as a house of cards.
I don't say these things to hurt you, I am concerned about this obsession you have with David Vance.
CB = Christian Brothers.
Really, Chris, sometimes you make me laff
But you do need to reconsider your way of responding to people when they argue. It really wont work in court.
Repeating what your opponent says and saying something along the lines of:
*Bollix*
*Youre a sock puppet*
*Troll*
..doesnt work.
Trust me on this
I know you dont mean to hurt me Chris.
Youre a big teddy, really.
But c'mon. The man is fuckin mad
You guyz bate the Big Man. Vance is mad at that and someone we should all laff at. (Did you read how he walked out of the FP church? - what a day that musta been for all the real Christians)
But he gets £300 a throw on H and M, doesnt allow disagreement on his site or slugger and thats twice my fuckin licence fee!
"CB = Christian Brothers."
What has my educational background got to do with anything. Bro McFaland always said, "get up on your hind legs and speak", that's what I do.
"But you do need to reconsider your way of responding to people when they argue. It really wont work in court."
This is a blog, a conversational media. It bears no reltion to how I conduct myself in a professional capacity.
"Repeating what your opponent says and saying something along the lines of:
*Bollix*
*Youre a sock puppet*
*Troll*
..doesnt work."
When you post under different identites you are a sock puppet!
When you derail every thread with the same obsession that makes you a troll.
I have never used the phrase "bollix", Bollocks maybe but never bollix.
"Youre a big teddy, really."
Let's not go that far lol.
"You guyz bate the Big Man"
Which big man?
"Vance is mad at that and someone we should all laff at."
I don't believe that we should laugh at anyone, compassion is a very important human trait which most of us should strive towards.
"Did you read how he walked out of the FP church? - what a day that musta been for all the real Christians"
I have no time for the Free P sect but I have to say that I admire him in one respect. Having the balls to stand by your principles is a rare thing these days. It's a value I admire in others.
"But he gets £300 a throw on H and M, doesnt allow disagreement on his site or slugger and thats twice my fuckin licence fee"
So find another way to challenge him, set up your own blogs, write letters etc
But really Jo, take a step back from this. This is not healthy!
Chris
I posted in a conciliatory way earlier. I don't (usually) have a fight with you. I have an interest history going back years now. Ive always been a conciliatory unionist, given to occasional hysteria, but always hating hypocrisy and contradiction and bigotry, however well disguised.
I use my own identity, always. Whatever you think about others I know, keep it to yourself. Its irrelevant. UI and I made peace, after all.
You couldn't fake my attitude, could u? B honest?
J
"I use my own identity, always"
Now that isn't true Jo, what about your different handles on Slugger and ATW?
"Whatever you think about others I know, keep it to yourself"
What? I don't follow
"UI and I made peace, after all."
I never mentioned UI
"You couldn't fake my attitude, could u? B honest?"
Why would I fake your attitude? This most be some weird kind of North Armagh English which I am not familiar with
I'll offer my right hand then. You know the history of that gesture don't you?
BTW I recently learned that DV lived in Ballyoran estate and I was born and raised about 5 miles away.
Just goes to show.
Apple Blosson Sunday in 2 days!
Have a diff id on slugger?
What is it? I am Jo on there always.
Not wanting to get caught up in this but weren't you "I wonder" for a good while both on Slugger and ATW?
Ah, but that was only for D's pondering. I never disguised my identity as in email, to which I always respond. No counterfuge lol
"Have a diff id on slugger?
What is it? I am Jo on there always."
So the above statement isn't true then?
I used the same ID, as in email.
My attitude was the same.
I was being persecuted by ppl at that time.
Could u blame me?
I kept the faith.
..and the def of sock puppet is someone who argues with themselves.
I never did
"sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."
The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.
I kept the faith.
What do you mean?
julius.
These data-mining expeditions require some subtlety. lol
But keep the faith anyway bro'
I've no idea what you're talking about, Percy.
"If I were minded like you, I might show your blog to some people who you wouldn't ever want to meet."
You really should pass this threat to the PSNI.
Not wanting to get caught up in this but weren't you "I wonder" for a good while both on Slugger and ATW?
I repeat,given this last implicit threat, that it can be assumed that passing the IP of a poster on this site,to other unnnamed individuals, is not an implicit threat?
I would draw the attention of all posters that I am cited to be an *online stalker* and there is self-admitted evidence that personal etails have been passed to unidentified persons.
Who are the persons.The PIRA?
Has anyone else been issued with this threat?
Who?
On what dates?
I am Jo on there always
Apart from when you're 'I wonder'!
My attitude was the same
But your handle was different.
JG
Youre missing the point.ID revelation to another party is a fundamantal breach of personal identity. Yet no word of criticism from u? I retaind my email identity in the face of internet harassment. As Chris's advisor said, an interesting case. I bet vance is laughing his fat arse off.
Jo
What type of medication are you on at the moment?
"Who are the persons.The PIRA?"
ROFL!!! Get over yourself!
T-Shirt of the pope is the same as Gazza playing the flute.
Designed to wind the piss out of the opposing fans.
Some Celtic fans took the flute playing to heart and went over the top, same with Rangers fans and this T-Shirt business. Load of auld shite if you ask me!
Great to see 3 British teams in the final of Europe's premier cup competitions btw.
Good luck to all.............especially the 'Gers ;0)
Decent point, Forecast. As far as I'm concerned Gazza can play the flute all he likes!
"Decent point, Forecast. As far as I'm concerned Gazza can play the flute all he likes!"
Julius,
Poor old Gaza is a few flutes short of the whole orchestra these days, God help him.
"Great to see 3 British teams in the final of Europe's premier cup competitions btw."
I'm sure we're all very pleased for the British')
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