So what you you do with sex offenders then?
Institutionalise them
Very progressive.
Have you ever spoke to a 5 year old child who was raped and abused?
When you have come back to me and we will discuss progrssive/repugnant politics.
I agree with Chris, No matter how many extra jails/institutions it takes and no matter the cost. And 2 strikes and it's Life. No parole, no compassionate releases etc etc.
I'm not being an expert on the subject of rehabilitation of sex offenders but I do know that many (if not most) sex offenders were themselves abused in childhood. If they receive suitable therapy they can be cured. Obviously this therapy needs to be given in a place of detention.
The kind of populist rant on this post does no good what-so-ever (but is probably fairly typical of SF attitudes to law and order).
Anyway Chris I have often been asked to accompany women in the small hours of the morning. It's considered quite normal where I live for women to be afraid walking home late at night yet I can't remember the last time there was a rape in my town.
"If they receive suitable therapy they can be cured"
Nonsense
Ask any reputable Psychologist and they will tell you that they can't be cured any more than people who are homosexual can be changed to heterosexual or vice versa.
You can't change a Paedophiles desire to abuse children
Ok, give me a source (any reputable paper by a reputable psychologist).
Also I note you've suddenly gone from sex offenders to paedophiles.
Do many five year olds study in your college library?
And even if there was a 50:50 chance of a cure I have no wish to have one of my children or grandchild demonstrate that offender X's treatment has failed.
Best way to deal with this sort of plankton is mandatory castration on any sex offence conviction.
Castration doesn't work Bill.
Ivan/Madradin Ruad - I'm sure the deterrence effect would be noticeable.
This post was about sex offenders in general.
All the comments have been about child abuse, and most would certainly not look out of place in The Sun newspaper. I am disappointed but not surprised. My original comment was really just a 'ball hop' to test the level of dialectic on this site, now I know.
Why am I thinking of Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
How about Matthew 18:6 ?
Thomas O Hare style rehabilitation is the way to go
What are people's thoughts on this ?
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/arti...9&
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Ivan,
I presume that Matthew 18:6 is yet another reference to child abuse which was not the subject of this post or any of my comments.
Urban - Matthew 18:6 reads as saying that Child abusers are fair game - and certainly the Blog has been discussing this subject.
There is believed to be a very high repeat offense rate among such offenders.
I would be in favor of extremely severe punishment of anyone who assaults a young child.
Mandatory fifty year sentence without parole with a possibility of early release if castration is agreed to sounds correct.
I just saw the Youth Defense link in the sidebar of this blog. All is suddenly clear, I'm out of here.
I also link to ATW, the DUP, SDLP, Fianna Fáil etc
Is there a pattern here??? Links do not denote support.
What is so bad about Youth Defense ?
It's quite a right wing anti-abortion group.
Ah, Continuity stoops 
LOL, What???
Stoops are right wing wankers and these are militant right wing wankers
Unfortunately sex offenders are unlikely to be "cured". Treatments are aimed at setting up psychological barriers aimed at reducing the liklihood of reoffending, such as attempting to enhance empathy with potential victims. Other factors, such as outside support, protective elements such as reduced opportunity to reoffend, etc are also considered.
In short, each time one of these people is released a gamble is taken that they will not revert. The statistics suggest a high rate of recidivism, however and the professional literature is full of information on this.
Cutting their bollox off is probably a more effective treatment.
I alluded to a solution earlier i think sinn fein should try and propogate this and adopt it as a policy to debate at the next assembly meeting.
Chris,
Youth Defense are as close to Hitler's Brownshirts as anything we've seen in Ireland in a long time.
Fair enough, links don't denote support but I recently commented on another blog that YD would make better politcal bed-felows for Sinn Fein in the republic than the Labor party which someone had proposed.
I am presuming that you are a Sinn Fein supporter and I must say that they are seen by many on the left down here as being on a very slippery slope indeed.
The kind of populist rant that was this post and the uninformed, emotive, off-subject comments that followed (I am not just referring to your own comments by any means) did little to re-assure me that the party's support has evolved politically since the days of punishment beatings.
SF is in government in NI now and is doing it's best to get into power in the south and therefore needs to show that it has workable solutions to problems. Finger pointing and NIMBYism just won't do.
I saw nothing Christian, socialist or even humane in any of the proposed punishments for sex offenders (that is a very broad term, they not all serial child rapists) in the comments on this post.
UU
I didn't advocte castration as it would not stop them abusing women and children because it fails to identify what both groups find "abusing".
I didn't ask they they be tortured, just locked away from other vulnerable members of society.
UU cannot be all bad though if he's adopting that Lurcher.
Chris,
"How about we move these half way houses to Malone Road type areas and see how long it is before they are removed."
Can you imagine it Chris. The housing market in areas like Malone took a big enough fucking hammering without you trying to heap this on those middle class yuppies!lol
No in all seriousness, this situation is a total disgrace Chris, and fair play to ourself for highlighting this not only in this article but on numerous occasions on this site.
A quick examination of the Holylands shows how it is a tragedy waiting to happen. Many students especially freshers are incredibly vulnerable. They are living away from home for the first time, some engage in binge drinking and drug taking. The fiends housed in the Holylands are being giving a free hand to exploit this. Most worrying is the fact that a number of rape incidents have occurred whenever students are leaving QUB library after late night study sessions. I think students should be made aware of the type of scum crawling the streets of South Belfast. I think an education in personal safety could go some way to helping tackle this blight on society.
Urban Underclass
Being socialist doesn´t mean being stupid.
Your version of socialism appears to be one of "anything goes".
Recognition of reality and protecting the rights of the workers are central tenets of socialism.
That doesn´t just mean protecting them from exploitation by the capitalist classes. It also means protecting them from crime, particularly when that crime is more likely to effect working class people than the better off. That includes rape and paedophilia. Guess why?
Less policing resources allocated to working class areas, less interest in insuring the safety of working class people, less liklihood that they will be taken seriously when they report a crime, etc, etc.
Failure to recognise reality and claiming that to be an essential part of socialism is one of the reasons the ideology is in trouble in this country.
Obs
I only wish the same attention could be given to the "savage violence" of punishment beatings.
I've asked for years for intelligent comment, but I just meet the ostrich.
Does no-one care about it?
How can we take seriously those who want to talk about "human rights", when they turn a blind eye to the form of cruel and degrading treatment/torture, known as punishment beatings.
Should I keep quiet ?
Percy
What the fuck are you on about??
dunno chris, I'm a bit lost to be honest 
Percy
Lay off the smoke, it'll rot your brain.
possibly!
a behavioural therapist might help explain what I'm on about:
ie
Q:What do behavioural psychologists say after sex?
A: How was it for me?
Observer,
I don't have my own version of socialism. I am not a theorist. I don't know what inspired your anything goes remark, just typical blogger hyperbole I suppose.
I don't disagree with you that working class people are more vulnerable to crime. Police everywhere are far more concerned about the propertied classes.
Sex offenders have to live somewhere and it is better that people know where they are than they be driven underground.
It is not easy, but it is possible to rehabilitate some sex offenders.
I know you did not advocate it, but castration is a ridiculous idea. Not only is it inhumane, but the problem is in the psyche, not the testicles.
I would not be opposed to life sentences for repeat offenders.
And I would suggest the offer of Branding or tattooing as a condition of release for second time offenders so that these people are identifiable by the community at large, R for rapist and P for paedophile. Their choice - stay inside or be marked for the protection of the vulnerable.
That's an interesting twist on hitlers use of pink triangles for gays, and yellow stars for jews.
What a thread! very revealing.
I see Madradin Ruadh is still a fuckwit. Stick to the Nazi hate site eh?
Eh? The Jews were victimised, easy targets for hateful bigots. Whilst I don't agree with branding(as I'd just do in recidivists) it is hardly a comparison. Merely an idea to warn other potential victims.
Jo would rather women and children were abused and raped. That figures.
Big difference here - the Jews,the Gypsies and the Gays were the VICTIMS.
It wouldn't be compulsory, merely a condition of release for second time offenders. They obviously would be free to stay where they belong - behind bars.
N.B.
putting words into someone's mouth is the equivalent of lying.
It means you've lost the arguement!
People like this are allowed to wander around, no way of the public knowing that they are at risk and that's OK ?
Not in my book.
http://www.google.com/
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Lisbon Treaty, People Before Profit Alliance
U_U
Amusing U U - the first reason your leaflet gives
We voted NO before and not a single word of the Treaty has changed. Make the political establishment RESPECT the will of the people.
The Irish people have consistently rejected Sinn Féin - does this mean that you think Sinn Féin should quit asking to be elected ?
everyone has strong feelings against sexual predators, rightfully so ,but suggesting going down the route of branding/tatooing is what you'd expect from an ignorant news-of-the-world right-wing twat.
In the same way as we don't condone the use of torture in the West, we don't brand offenders.
Re-brand your ideas!
Percy - nobody is suggesting that YOU have a big J tattooed on your forehead.
So climb off your high horse.
If s serial rapist is to be released how would YOU give some protection to women ? Or in your world they can take their chances as it would be " inhumane" to let a woman sitting on a late night bus with Ernest George Finlay KNOW he is a danger. So what are YOUR suggestions ? As the current system doesn't work.
Serial rapists should not be released, end of story.
Ivan,
No high-horse here.
I think you're just peddling fear; we don't have an epidemic thankfully of pedoes or rapists.
Like the death penalty, its not coming back. Your ideas will not get though parliament; so its a non-starter.
Daily Mail readers would have us believe violent crime is around every corner, illegal immigrants are taking over the country, there's gypsies on your doorstep etc etc.
Moslems - Eurabia ... need I go on.
Same head-banger crap you get every day on t'other site, which I think even you got fed up with.
Stay with it, the civilisation process continues, now and again you'll have a slip back.
But not to worry, we're very generous here, the door is always open to welcome back transgressors !
Percy
Any evidence for any of your wild theories?
Then again maybe evidence is just "head-banger crap" so far as you are concerned.
masses of evidence that the daily mail regularly makes up stuff and twists stories everyday; to fit paranoid xenophobic right-wing agendas.
Even without that their editorial and opinion is aimed at the basest instincts in man like revenge, bloodthirtiness, and preys on our fears.
90% of ATW material is daily mail.
Fact.
I've checked it out.
I've watched a number of documentaries also.
Julius is quite up on these details.
In cases of criminal law, esp sex crime; surely you know that passion and violence clouds reason, and is a threat to civil liberty!
So when judges decide sentences they must balance the protection of the innocent with the human rights of the convicted.
You mustn't think I am uncaring; its a tragic world that means we even have to advise student women to take cabs home at night; avoid late-nite buses, and be careful for their own personal safety.
So, none then? As I thought.
To a closed mind, a world of evidence is not enough.
"has convictions for rape and indecent assault on a child, is a category three offender and in the highest risk bracket.
It is understood that Finlay was jailed for 14 years in 1997 for a series of brutal rapes on prostitutes in Belfast. He also has convictions for assault with intent to rape.
He pleaded guilty in February 1997 to four charges of rape and one charge of unlawful imprisonment."
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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.u...e-
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