Good man Aengus.
Kick this criminal scumbag - Evrony - out of Ireland, PLEASE.
All the Zionists could muster for their demonstration ( 
) on Sunday was about 20 people. I'm glad there's only a small amount of people in Ireland who see the slaughter of 800 plus Palestinians as an occasion to sing and dance in the rain outside Leinster House. Vicious scum.
A counter-demo was thown together by text message that morning. About 60 people were mobilised. We made a mockery of their little party and showed them photos of their friends' handiwork.
Watch it here.
Also, a must read:
Fintan O'Toole's six-step guide to defending the indefensible.
JG
Fintan O'West Brit is an odious little creature who seeks to draw paralells between the Hunger Strikers and the Zionists, between Ireland's quest for freedom and Israel's land grab.
I wouldn't breathe the same air as him.
Fintan O'West Brit is an odious little creature who seeks to draw paralells between the Hunger Strikers and the Zionists, between Ireland's quest for freedom and Israel's land grab
Chris,
O'Toole is one of the most enlightened thinkers we have in Ireland. He has a lot to offer, far more than the celebrated scumbag Connor Cruise O'Brien. And he draws no such paralells.
I disagree with him on many issues but he is 100% correct about the current situation in Gaza.
The above comment was me.
"And he draws no such paralells."
Did you read the same article as me????????
He is rabily anti-Republican and that article was such.
Chris,
I stand corrected!
He is anti-republican, no doubt, but this is not the main point of the article. I think he makes some excellent points. You don't have to agree with every example. I certainly don't.
..and that article was such
It wasn't, Chris. The article doesn't deal with republicanism. Like I said I don't accept those particular examples and paralells but I think the article is clever and insightful in a number of ways.
IMO he ruined what could have been a good article by his hatred for Sinn Féin and the IRA.
Chris,
I do know what you mean. But I disagree, I think the article stands up. Particularly Point 6:
6. We are at war with them to save ourselves. We have to do it to them before they do it to us. Other neat formulations include: “Here, just as generally, humanity would amount to the greatest cruelty towards our own people”; “The only way to cope with them is to treat them with the necessary brutality. If you spare them, you’ll later be their victim”; and “If we didn’t fend them off, they would annihilate us.”
These latter phrases, nicely turned though they are, need to be used with caution and not in front of historically literate audiences who might recognise their origins in early 1940s Germany. If anyone should point out such parallels, however, see point one.
Yes he wasnt as bad as CCOB. I think O'Toole is genuinely anti-violence, and indeed anti-nationalism.
I dont even think the latter of these is bad, although I see a lot of the Irish intellectual class who see no difference between "big nation" nationalism - eg expansionary nationalism and "small nation" nationalism - ie a country wanting to be free from outside control.
Essentially they seemed to believe Irish nationalism was pretty much indistinguishable from the naked imperialism of the European continental states in the 19th Century. In Extremis I'm sure some of them equate it to Nazism.
O'Brien was just a hypocrite - he was perfectly fine with nationalism and violence as long as it was in accord with his political ideology at the time (Zionism of course being the most pertinent example).
On topic, I dont have any issue with O'Snodaigh giving grief to the Israeli ambassador and his supporter - in fact I think its a good thing.
However, I dont think the Nazi analogies are helpful. They're not accurate* and just get all Jewish people's backs up - giving the hardcore Zionists less room to hide.
There are other historical analogies one can use, if one indeed has to use any.
*JG I know we've discussed this before, but ultimately if it were the nazis we were talking about, they would be carpet bombing gaza and leading the survivors off to mass graves. In fact the Nazis wouldnt have withdrawn from Gaza in the first place.
Andy,
I can't remember discussing it before, but I tend to agree with what you say. The Isarelis are NOT the Nazis. They are far, far from it. I'm positive I never suggested otherwise.
Are they genocidal though? Yes, absolutely. It is a vicious crime against humanity and I dearly hope those responsible will pay for it one day.
What O'Snodaigh said was that Goebbels would have been proud of the performance of the Alan Shatter and Zion Evrony, their twisted logic and selectivity. That is completely fair comment. They are two propagandists, liars. I've had the misfortune to hear and see both on numerous occasions. Sick fucks, both.
The MOPEry from Shatter afterwards was quite pathetic.
"oh oh.. I'm the only Jew in the Dáil, how could he say such a thing to me?"
Laughable.
And the fake outrage of Evrony was a sight too. This criminal who should be put on the next flight back to Israel had the cheek to demand an apology!
O'Snodaigh's reply:
"You won’t get an apology from me anyway."
Classic!
I remember a few years back O'Snodaigh called Martin Cullen a "tiny little bigot" which is one of the best put-downs I think I've ever heard.
Hi
Ok I think it was more the "genocidal" bit I had an issue with before. Ethnic cleansing i would accept, genocide was too far.
Andy,
Genocide is the attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, a national or ethnic group.
If the cap fits...
I think O'Toole is genuinely anti-violence
He's not. He supported the ANC and their military wing; Spear of the Nation.
When it came to matters closer to home, he became sqeamish.
All anti reupblican type/jew jympathiser types should be either shot dead or deported!!!
Chris - I think you may want to look into the provenance of the comment above (ie I think its a troll)
JG - I hadnt known that about O'Toole. What are his views on the war of independence do you know? (ie is he as embarassed about it as other punters like Myers etc)
I suppose I could always look him up myself...
andy - no troll here!
Andy,
I'm just going on memory. But I do remember him saying that the oppression in SA was such that a violent response was justified, but that it wasn't in Ireland!
On the War of Indp., I'm not sure really. I would guess he has a different perspective to Myers et al. though.
On almost every issue I think O'Toole is spot on. I went to a talk he gave about corruption in the Irish political elite a few months back and it was one of the best talks I've been to in years. I spoke for an hour without once referring to notes!
LOL
That should read:
"He spoke for an hour without once referring to notes"
its with deep regreat that i say this.but this site is a bloody disgrace all i asked is why you have no blogg for sean mckenna, IRA leader and hungerstriker probably one off Irelands successfull vols who ever fought the brits, and i have been censored WHY
You are a troll sad republican, you post the exact same message on every thread, that is trolling!!
Trolls are banned on Balrog
troll i might be censor you are take a red face
Please repost in English, I'm not fluent in Ulster Scots.
"in times of universal deciet, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act'.
In today's Sunday Tribune an IRA man claims that the IRA killed Gerry Evans from Crossmaglen in 1979. Apart for helping the family get their son's body back for a real funeral, this admittance may well do more good as sitting on lies is not helping anyone. Most people believed that the IRA had killed him anyhow and it's just a pity they were not more open post peace process.
sleepingpostie:
its looking like the walls are starting to crack that hide the peace provies,this current member also stated spin fein are indeed liars,now now who ever thought conor mla murphy would tell a lie,fair play to that member for catching a grip of himself,and maybe that woman can finally put her son to rest
if conor said they didn't do it then it must be true
So you lot are believing an unnamed source in a newspaper, which by design doesn't care if it prints the truth only that it makes money, ahead of a person who stated his version of the matter and put his name to it.
Seamus,
"ahead of a person who stated his version and put his name to it." I assume you are speaking of Murphy but he didn't give his version, he gave the version of some other "unnamed source" speaking for the IRA so what exactly is your point? At least the unnamed man in the newspaper produced a map and apparently has sent information to the commission via a third party. All Murphy has done is to say "the IRA say it wasn't them." Do you think Murphy should be questioned by the PSNI and tyhe GAardai to see where he got his information from?
Wasn't this post about Israel?
Anyway, I agree with Andy on both the O'Snodaigh comment and Fintan O'Toole.
I think the Goebbels reference was deliberately intended to offend Jewish sensibilities; it was needless and takes away from the very real issues of the disgracefully disproportionate actions of the IDF and their attempts to conceal these actions from the media.
On Fintan O'Toole - I've always found him to be an awful whinger but not always wrong with it. I don't think he's particularly anti-republican so much as anti-nationalist in general. As Andy says, he doesn't appear to see the difference between liberation nationalism and right-wing nationalism - a fairly basic difference.
Were Europe stronger, more united; it would be better placed to directly help the Palestiniians.
VOTE YES to the treaty.
Ironic that a SF spokesperson should negatively compare someone to Goebbels when it was not so long ago that SF themselves were running around and brown nosing the Nazis at every opportunity. Oh how people do forget, we do live in fickle times.
"when it was not so long ago that SF themselves were running around and brown nosing the Nazis at every opportunity."
Eh?
Are you referring to Sean Russell, the IRA leader? I think he saw himself as "doing a Casement" in Germany rather than necessarily agreeing with the Nazis. Still, history has judged him badly (and rightly so).
Other than that, I don't really understand your comment. Your grasp on history seems rather weak.
Try Frank Ryan and see if the cap fits- SF/IRA international brigade member turned nazi collaborator and turncoat. Please spare the intellectual slights- I have an object view of history.
Er, again, Frank Ryan was hardly a Nazi sympathiser (as you state, he fought against the fascists in Spain). He was handed over to the Nazis by Franco and unfortunately appears to have fallen for their opportunist nonsense.
I also think it's pretty clear that you don't remotely have an objective view of history...
"not so long ago that SF themselves were running around and brown nosing the Nazis at every opportunity"
Not only that, but you have yet to prove your somewhat subjective comment (above).
''He was handed over to the Nazis by Franco and unfortunately appears to have fallen for their opportunist nonsense'' XD
During which time he was still involved with SF/IRA, yes?
Was Frank Ryan at any time a nazi collaborator- yes, was he at any time a senior member of sf/ira- yes, was he a nazi collaborator at the same time as he was a senior member of sf/ira- yes, did he use his role to strengthen links, including arms procurements, between the nazis and sf/ira during this time- yes.
So there were clear links between sf/ira and the Nazis. But yes that was in the past and we should move on.
I am simply amused that SF would negatively compare a jewish person to one of the nazis when not so long ago SF had cosy links with the fascist Nazis. People shouldn't forget that.
I am all too aware that the nature of these links was a case of 'my enemys enemy is my friend' but establishing links with such a dispicable group was at the expense of trading-off principle.
It is important not to forget that the Nazis killed a lot of innocent people to further their goals- oh wait so did the IRA.
Anon,
With respect, you have pointed to two IRA-men (I have no idea if they were members of SF) who had links with the Nazis - albeit Ryan had a history of anti-fascism prior to his unfortunate decision.
This hardly points to "running around brown nosing the Nazis"
On the other hand, your comment that "establishing links with such a dispicable group was at the expense of trading-off principle" is 100% correct.
I have an object view of history.
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