No wonder the stoops have such a bad name, they have no credibility whatsoever. God help us, but are we now to compare them with the Unionists who only consider a fenian's life, (and death) important, so long as they can use it to batter their opponents with.
Chris, how's it going? Great turnout for Stormont yesterday, half of Cullyhanna parading around with Quinn Support Group badges. They met Conor Murphy as he slunk out of the chamber. You have absolutely nothing new to offer, have you? why the sudden affection for Jim Cusack? New readers are referred to your previous comments. The Northern Standard was a nice piece of planting all right - I must say I kind of admire the sheer mendacious neck of it. Have another look at it and this time try to separate the first sentence which is indeed an indirect quote from Heller, and the second which is totally unrelated editorialisation. This is what in the hedge school we used to call a non sequitor - the logical fallacy known as 'post hoc ergo propter'.
As for your forensic demolition of the Bradley/Attwood motion, which passed unanimously by the way as your friends hadn't the guts to vote against:
Point - no evidence is needed to make an assessment - you didn't need any to call Paul a criminal. Even a teacher might reasonably conclude that a 12-man masked, forensically suited, forensically aware gang are no ordinary criminals.
Same point - investigators make assessments all the time without evidence. There is no evidence that the Provos bombed La Mon, did the massacre at Kingsmills or blew up Canary Wharf. Gardai, IMC and PSNI are qualified to make such assessments. the IMC assessment is based on the Garda assessment, it was not a statement by one member. It was repeated to the Quinn family in Carrickmacross by all the members of the Commisson at the end of January. In fact, they said their opinion had been further substantiated in the two months since the original statement, which was not as Conor Murphy claimed the private opinion of a English branchman.
Point - no matter who gets elected in South Armagh, show me a non-provo supporter in South Armagh who doubts what happened. Come to think of it, find me even a half-truthful Shinner.
Point - the bit about Dominic Bradley now being an associate of former members of the IRA was really neat - credit where it is due. Irrelevant but neat.
Point - your alignment argument is nonsense. If I align myself with the Quinns in their quest for truth and justice, and someone else of whom I disapprove also aligns, what has that to do with me? You are aligned with Sinn Fein - Sinn Fein has aligned itself with the crowbar murderers -where does that leave you?
The Gardai are quite capable of finding their own direction in this investigation, which funny enough is currently leading them towards Dromintee. What on earth is the supposed relevance about the stuff about diesel dumping? For God's sake develop a clear line yourself. You are attacking everyone who has attacked the crowbar killers. As my therapist says, how does that make you feel?
such gullibility from you tony, on this your first and only comment to date on this murder. I'm suprised.
Perci
If anyone is being gullible here it is you.
RD
"Chris, how's it going?"
Fantastic, the snake has returned from under its rock. BTW, nice picture of you in the Newry Democrat last week.
"half of Cullyhanna parading around with Quinn Support Group badges"
Are you seriously trying to tell me there were over 153 people at Stormont yesterday from Cullyhanna?
I think you should stick to the farming red; facts and figures clearly aren't your thing.
"why the sudden affection for Jim Cusack?"
I have no affection for Cusack, as I made clear in my blog. It's just another example of stoop expediency.
"The Northern Standard was a nice piece of planting all right - I must say I kind of admire the sheer mendacious neck of it."
Oh that's right, you clearly know better than a member of the Gardaí whose job it is to investigate this murder.
Such arrogance is staggering!
"As for your forensic demolition of the Bradley/Attwood motion, which passed unanimously by the way as your friends hadn't the guts to vote against:
Point - no evidence is needed to make an assessment"
Great, so the motion yesterday is as relevant as my assessment that Snow Patrol are one of the best indie bands of all time?
Thanks for clearing that up.
"Even a teacher might reasonably conclude that a 12-man masked, forensically suited, forensically aware gang are no ordinary criminals."
I never suggested that Hogg et al were ordinary criminals, now did I? Though criminals they remain!
"the IMC assessment is based on the Garda assessment"
It clearly wasn't as just last week the Minister for Justice down South said that the Gardaí have no information to suggest that the IRA were involved.
"Point - no matter who gets elected in South Armagh, show me a non-provo supporter in South Armagh who doubts what happened"
I can show you plenty
"Point - the bit about Dominic Bradley now being an associate of former members of the IRA was really neat - credit where it is due. Irrelevant but neat."
The truth is never irrelevant. It goes to show how ridiculous the IMC statement was when even stoopius maximus Dominic Bradley is an associate of former IRA men.
" If I align myself with the Quinns in their quest for truth and justice, and someone else of whom I disapprove also aligns, what has that to do with me? "
If you lie down with dogs you are going to get fleas. When people align themselves with anti-GFA reprobates such as yourself then that affects their credibility.
"You are aligned with Sinn Fein"
True
"Sinn Fein has aligned itself with the crowbar murderers"
False
"where does that leave you?"
Exactly where I was before this murder
"which funny enough is currently leading them towards Dromintee"
LOL, you wish!
"For God's sake develop a clear line yourself"
I have been very clear on this from the start
1. Condemned the killers and asked people to go to the police with any information.
2. Rejected IRA involvement.
3. Attacked those who are trying to use this murder for their own political objectives.
"As my therapist says, how does that make you feel?"
I'm not surprised that you have a therapist; you have a history of preying on vulnerable members of the community while you wander the fields by night.
It's going to land you into trouble one of these days!
Perc
Think back to when it happened, I was at the forefront saying wait for evidence. Where is that evidence? The stoops are despicable!
Witness the McCord father quoted as asking why was this debated in the assembly. When he and others have been knocked back trying to highlight other murders. Gullibility, indeed! Wood and trees Perc!
Do we need any more prove of the politics behind this? how many have died as a result of murder in the last few months?
Not even awhimper about that, all attention is directed at Paul Quinn, why?
Answer: Politics
Red Diesel or former S.F Canidate
How did you like the visit to storment ? you bastard. the only reason you got involved with the Quinn support group was to get at SF .
You are aligned yourself with local DISSIDENTS in Dromintee, Jonesborough area after many years out in the wilderness yourself and the CURRY BOY SON all you have done down the years bully your way around and mouth .
Spoke to a man lately who told me about the question mark that hangs over your head as a TOUT.
when the only time you helped a group of vols at Moira castle bridge after the operation was over you could not keep your mouth shut a common problem in your family.
The same group of vols nearly lost their lives in an other operation over you. You where fond of running Father Faul and unionest councilors when looking for favours such as planning permisson ect.
what did you give in return ?
Tony
The Quinn Support group are free to lobby and use whatever influence they can to highlight their case for Justice; as are any victims such as you mention.
It so happens they are using SDLP MLA's as the Quinn family refuse to speak to SF, unless and until SF retracts the criminality slur, which now NO party North or South stands by.
The QSG are meeting tonight in Newry Town Hall; obviously we hope our intrepid lawyer CG will be there to reveal his findings from his Balrog post today and report back.
I wonder how he'll be received?
Green Diesel
Do not name people or make allegations about individuals unless you are prepared to post under your own name!
Really - very good point.I only know about the quinn murder from the media so not having any local knowledge I'm not going to get invovled. But I'm interested in seeing where this all ends up. I have to say though that the media coverage is like a circus and there seem to people with their own agenda's.
perci the pratt
will you be there yourself tonight?
A very sensible stance Mark
mark doyle
will agree with you on this one
DISSIDENT REPUBLICIANS ,SDLP are using the Quinns to score political points they don give a damm about Paul Quinn.
Perci
It is being used as a political football. You are not daft, surely you can see that. I believe the IRA until proven otherwise.
God rest the boy, some around him are crying crocodile tears though, that is obvious!
http://
www.belfasttelegraph.co.u...icle3447552.ece
Here is Raymond McCords comments.
Tony,
One thing I know you won't do is repeat the criminality slur on here; blackening the victims name ,as others have done.
For that I commended you.
Green Diesal I won't be going tonite, but if I was in town, I would be.
I'll wait for Red Diesels updates later.
I take it from your comments then, you won't be giving him a lift in a car-share, to save fuel and the environment.
Perc
Why would I blacken the boy's name? Is it because I am not buying into the nonsense that I am automatically a bad guy, and the only thing you can say is the above nonsense.
Please take a step back and stop being manipulated, wait for any evidence before opening your mouth.
"DISSIDENT REPUBLICIANS ,SDLP are using the Quinns to score political points they don give a damm about Paul Quinn."
Your right although P$F have remorsely and disingenously played politics on every angle and every situation over the last 37 years that they could to attack the IIP the SDLP the IRSP and laterly "dissidents" on hundreds of occaisions. Your remark clearly shows a complete lack of even the basic and notional sense of irony.
Reading the original post without any context Gaskin makes a clunky bread and butter case for the defense of all things P$F. With some previous context knowing the threats and incidents in the weeks prior to the case,the people involved, the relocation of an individual and the professional forensic clean up of the scene would at the very least raise questions for P$F at a local level which they have singularly failed to answer.
Again another blog entry and another personal attack on someone namely Dominic Bradley. On the surface its more tedious charachter assasination. Even if the SDLP or Bradley only represent 16% or 1.6% of the population he has a right to air his views. Validation of those views is not accredited by electoral success or percentage vote if the same rationale was applied to republicanism the struggle would have died at inception. Here Gaskin traverses onto dangerous territory which belies the arrogant reactionary and elitism which is a signature of a huge amount of the blog entries and posts in relation to other nationalists and republicans. The tone of the site stifles any meaningful political exchange and if this is one of the best political blogs for the Island then republicanism really is in a terrible state. I hope you can learn from the example of the most generous and open republicans of my generation Brendan Hughes, he spoke the truth. He didn't care if it was different from P$F. He carried the coffin of Joe O Connor the victim of another murder which P$F had nothing to do with.
tony,
how bout you open your mouth and condemn the lies being spread by conor murphy, that has been so painful to the family.
Now that would be good.
so far you're just a fence-sitter.
sorry, but its true.
perci
Green Diesal I won't be going tonite, but if I was in town, I would be.
I'll wait for Red Diesels updates later.
so your not that bothered then perci to go out of your way to attend the meeting ?
perci do not trust that TOUTING BASTARD Red DIESEL I can tell you that.
as for giving him a lift in a car-share, to save fuel and the environment.
I WOULD UNDER THE WHEEL !!!!!!!!!!
Green Demon
I doubt whether all the hating and hurting that comes out of your foul mouth could ever fill that emptiness you feel inside of yourself.
Its such a shame you can't bring yourself to be raging mad at the lies being spread, and direct your anger at the callous murderers.
What can I say:
You can kill and threaten to kill all those with courage to speak out, and there'll still be more queuing up behind em.
People care, people have had enough.
That's the little people, not the powerful.
You just don't get it do you?
Give us one good reason why you are to be trusted? Or believed?
reggie..*applause*
excellent post, perci.
hey bobbydylan nice one
they think we haven't heard the song Idiot wind, with the lyrics:
"Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out but when they will I can only guess."
Best to keep a low profile tonite (NOT), as Celtic lost, and that means we're gonna have some mean old boys on tonite, saying sum mean old thangs!
I'm not cock-a-hoop but .... 
Percy or that idiot DAVE
What the fuck do you give a fuck about what happens over here you PLASTIC PADDY WANNABE .
Stay the fuck in Brighton
Have you been in the GRAND HOTEL lately you COCK SUCKING TORY CUNT
Bobby dylan
GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU DISSIDENT BASTARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Harry Potter look a like from Ashton Heights has made more out of this murder than even Jim Mc the dissident reptile has. Dominic 'eh ah eh ah but...' Bradley could not give a flying fuck about Paul Quinn, neither could JIM, Wirehead or Hogg for that matter. He has got more column inches since the murder than ever before. Look at the Examiner, Newry Democrat, Reporter etc.. and you will see that this is blatantly obvious. And furthermore each of his statements contain the same piffel and nonsense, my God how the Stoop Press gag have really gone down hill!
How would Dominic know what the people in S Armagh think? He was never on the ground before the murder and has no contact with the people. I can't remeber the last team I seen the idiot in my area or seen him in attendance at a public meeting that was not connected to the Paul Quinn Group. My God, he clearly has forgotten the fact that the people of S Armagh shunned him at the last Westminister elections, when they voted in overwhelming numbers for a man Dominic know thinks he has a mandate to attack!
Geraldine Donnelly is not much better either. It is one think getting someone to put statements in local compliant Stoop rag newspapers, and another to do some work on the ground and build up a bit of credibility. Where was Geraldines and Dominics concerns when Keith Rodgers was murdered by a criminal gang? We all know why Jim and Wirehead have conveniently overlooked this fact. By the way how many criminal elements are alligned to the QSG?
I bet Jim was seething when he was at Stormont. Bet you he was dreaming of how he could have been an MLA had he not been totally devoid of credit amongst republicans! Mind you, what was Jim doing in a place that he has castigated SF for participating in? Why is he mates with Wirehead whenever he was once a member of the said assembly? Bet you Wirehead was ripping, when he thought of how he could still be an MLA had he not sided with Hogg and his murdering criminal bastard brothers!!!!!!
Wonder if Davy the super republican was at Stormont. Maybe it would have been too painful for him?
Chris, we need to have a little talk about this Green Diesel character. I mean, he looks like he is off the deep end. I try to act and speak charitably, but really. He seems to have picked up on your earlier misidentification of me as the man who used to live near the castle, which I found quite funny for reasons you are too young to understand. Green Diesel must be from the Free State with a funny name like that. Anyway - good point made at the meeting in the Town Hall last night. The Provisional IRA has never denied the murder of Paul Quinn. Now we can all argue about the historical value of their denials, but the absence of a denial is an unarguable fact. OK, we sort of have a sort of denial via Conor Murphy, but then we don't know his standing with the military side. The same applies to your own vehement denials. Their validity is arguable because we can have no idea of their provenance. It might be time for P. O'Neill to sharpen up the old quill. Old-timers like me have a lot of respect for the genuine statement from what we used to call the Irish Republican Publicity Department, back in the old days when John Joe McGarrity was in charge. I really mean this. A firm denial through the coded channel would even force me and those who think like me to reconsider our view of what happened in this murder.
By the way, Cllr Brendan Curran claims to have been threatened leaving the Town Hall, and on this occasion I am inclined to believe there may be some substance (in part because he hasn't the wit for active invention). Interestingly, in the meeting he refused resolutely to say he agreed with Conor Murphy on the criminality slur, when invited to do so by Paul's father, Stephen. It was a good exchange and it was a pity it descended into juvenile slagging between Curran and thon eejit McAllister who should know better. But the real embarrassment of the evening was an SDLP councillor who made a total arsehole of his mouth and came pretty close to saying what Curran declined to say - maybe he did, hard to say with that thick Kiltimagh accent. Jesus wept. Give me the Shinners who ranted in Crossmaglen Community Centre any day of the week. With friends like that the Quinn Support Group doesn't need enemies. Otherwise, the meeting was marked by a complete absence of acrimony and provos
Red Diesel
"Chris, we need to have a little talk about this Green Diesel character"
Do we now, I can't see the need myself.
"He seems to have picked up on your earlier misidentification of me as the man who used to live near the castle, which I found quite funny for reasons you are too young to understand"
It would seem so, that said there was no misidentification. We both know that!
"Green Diesel must be from the Free State with a funny name like that"
I have no idea where he's from
"A firm denial through the coded channel would even force me and those who think like me to reconsider our view of what happened in this murder."
LOL, yeah right! You stopped caring what the Irish Republican Publicity Department said in the late 80's.
Your interest in this case is well know, it has nothing to do with justice. It is an anti-Sinn Féin agenda.
If you feel that you have any support in the Dromintee area then I would suggest you put yourself before the electorate at the next election.
Your defeat with be a sight to behold!
Chris, you really need to take this seriously. You wrongly identified me as Mr L whom you say walks the fields at night. Wrong end of the parish - three townlands away by my reckoning. I am not a dissident from the Provo line because I never adhered to it in the first place. I am a Connolly republican of long standing. My republicanism was never determined by access to or prediliction for explosive materials, but by a belief in a particular set of social conditions and an inclusive method of achieving them. I have in fact sought and secured public office on behalf of the electorate in Dromintee - get your TO working on that. I have indeed an anti-Sinn Fein agenda to the extent that I totally disagree with their political beliefs and practice, but that is not what is at issue here. I can and do work with Sinn Fein people on a wide range of issues and I accept that they - and particularly the local representatives and party around Dromintee - are deeply committed to the welfare and betterment of the community. My problem is their blind spot when told to line out and tell a lie for the cause. Such a thing had no part in traditional republicanism, even of the square-wheel variety espoused by Mr L. There was honour among our neanderthal recidivist nationalists. Not an ounce of political strategy, but lashings of honour. They took perverse pride in owning up to their mistakes, even the bad ones. Frank Aiken made no bones about Altnaveigh. The provos broke with that tradition, starting with Kingsmills, and devalued the coinage of claim and denial and truth. The physical force men of earlier generations would have had no truck with the sort of vile, thoughtless, anti-intellectual propaganda some of your correspondents indulge in. They would have told the truth and be damned. I think this moral rot born of arrogance was a direct consequence, not so much of unquestionable military success, but of the ruthless community control which accompanied it. The men of earlier generations would have known that there is a name for militaristic control of a community in peacetime, and its name is fascism. That is the real, underlying issue, not only in the Paul Quinn murder, but in its political aftermath. And here's the rub. There is an internal battle looming for the internal soul of the party and it is looming all around you. They need to clean up their act on the Quinn murder before it breaks out in earnest. These are serious questions which I believe I have put forward in a reasonable tone( although goading you is such fun. I invite you to debate them seriously and reasonably and call an abuse truce.
just wondering has the Assembly Speaker ruled on whether Conor Murphy broke the ministerial code after admitting that he had met the IRA to discuss the murder of Paul Quinn.
Under the code of conduct for the assembly below is stated:
'Members have a duty to uphold the law and to act on all occasions in accordance with the public trust placed in them.'
was talking to an illegal organisation in the accordance with the trust placed in him?
'Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the electorate and the community as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.'
would this duty of acting in the interests of their constituents include making a statement / slur of criminality on a deceased constituent without a shred of evidence to back it up?
'Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.'
yet he can't answer the questions of the people who voted him in? - nice
Bobby dylan
GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU DISSIDENT BASTARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Green Diesel | 02.21.08 - 12:17 am | #
glad to see the sf intellegensia have got involved too.
one correction though Green Eyes...
Bobby dylan
GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU "REPUBLICAN" BASTARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks.
Just got a transcript of Sinn Fein's big chief in Stormont, John O'Dowd's speech at the Paul Quinn debate
He said the political implications are "...why Sinn Fein proposes an alternative view to to that stated by the other parties." He went on to say "Therefore, Sinn Fein has submitted a scenario, or an option, that the killing might be related to something else."
There you have it, according to S.F., they saw a man murdered, thought 'this could hurt us, we better come up with other scenarios or options. Pathetic, just as pathetic as Murphy's cowardly scuttling out of Stormont before the debate was over, what a dip stick.
Sceolaing/ Wirehead/ Pat:
How was your trip to Stormont. Did it bring a tear to your eye as you recalled how you were once sitting in that very chamber as an elected member instead of trapsing along with a bunch of Stoops, anti- republicans and dubious elements? Mind you Pat judging by your recent associates you could probably contest the elections for the Stoops? You and Jim really have reached desperation as you try and allign yourselves with anyone who is anti-SF and anti-republican. First it was Davy the super republican, then Hogg and the piglets and now thE Stoops!!! You make me sick!!!
bobbydylan |
would rather be a REPUBLICAN" BASTARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
than be a associated with the DISSIDENTS you little prick !!!!!!!!!!!!!
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
Great to see your back on line you fucking TOUT.
watching you there last night pranceing about nothing new to report was there same old spinn speculation and nothing to back it .
what was the craic with your old mate red diesel seen him and yourself in serious conversation, that the solictor daughter of his may have her work cut out saving him from his latest stunt.
By the way what sort of stunt was that yous pulled on your old mate Brendan Curran ? very bad publicity for the QUINN SUPPORT GROUP ? can yous not keep them young thugs under control ?
can yous not keep them young thugs under control ?
Green Diesel | 02.21.08 - 8:21 pm
oh the irony. lol
bobbydylan
another voice of the DISSIDENTS
Tell me this what part of the country are you from ? bobby just as a matter of interest,
why should it matter what part of the country i am from? does that impact on the issues discussed here?
but if we are going to a sharing session why dont you tell me the part you are from first
why do you reserve such hatred for republicans who are sceptical of the psf approach?
i do not see you venting your anger against the british elements in this country?
To All
Cut the personal abuse or else I am going to start handing out red cards.
You have been warned!
poor aul green diesel and addy the chile, no answer to the points I made about o'dowd leting the cat out of the bag in stormont. poor aul curran was laughed out of the town hall in newry, he thought he could take on mcallister but was made a total fool of so had to get some wee story for himself. what a pathetic bunch you all have turned into. keep cursing and swearing, it's about all you're good for alond with running away like murphy running out of stormont!!
you still haven't a clue who i am!! poor aul curran couldn't evn get half a dozen to come and support him in newry, in his arrogance he thought he only had to show up to sweep the board!! ah, well, he has plenty of his own hired hands 'bouncers' to keep him company although i hear the one he had with him last night didn't look uo to much.
yours with much laughter,
mystery man or woman.
p.s. i sgtill think neither of you are from sth armagh, you're not smart enough, you probably don't understand exactly what o'dowd said, amadans!!
TO Bobbydylan post 9.05 - exactly , what the fuck - everyone here is supposed to be / or to have basic republican views ( i know , i know , dissident, ati gfa , psf ) but the abuse and hatred and bitterness, Us Irish - jesus !
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
YOUS are no further on with this tour the steam is running out of her just like the mc cartneys where next ?
you still haven't a clue who i am
O we do pat didnt that dumb wife of yours come on to say you are a member of the IRA we havent forgotten . o and by the way is your son still going with that wee girl from Keady ?
bobbydylan
why should it matter what part of the country i am from? does that impact on the issues discussed here?
the reason i asked was just to get an insight of where your from and your republican back ground.
ok, well you havent revealed much about yourself. but i will say that i am from a border county and that i have been republican for all my adult life.
at one time i supported sinn fein, but feel that they have went too far in becoming part of the NI establishment.
and you?
hee, hee, heee, green diesel, green is what you are, a know nothing, hee, hee, hee. that's what the muscle hirer, curran, said when questions were put to him ,"i don't know!" some representitive for the new m.i.5 s.f. "i don't know." you know, i was just thinking that if half the claims you boys are making about people 'attacking' and threatening shinners are true then the worm has surely turned and your lot are facing a whole new ball game. your crowd didn't have the courage to come and stand by the muscle hirer last night, only one man in newry to apeak up for you and he made a show of himsel and then tried to cover it up by shouting threats!! maybe it was bradley or your man murphy that threatened him. the time he was scooped he emptied big time, never knew when to shut his mouth. keep on swearing and cursing, it is great for the inmage of s.f. , drunken bowsies with gutter language and all the class of an ass! it's all you're good at you newry/dundalk teenage boy/girls. don't worry, someday you'll grow up though you'll probably still be nothing but foul mouthed idiots (that means eejits)
good man perci! keep at it.
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
see the idiot of a wife is writing now with her hee hee hee you finaly got her the rampant rabbit good girl it must be better than old cancer guts.
Bradley is your man now why disown him now is it because of the heat over these files?
drunken bowsies
Is in that what you DISSIDENTS groups made up off ?
you never answered my questions where is the tour bus for next ?
and is your son still with the wee keady girl ?
"see the idiot of a wife is writing now with her hee hee hee you finaly got her the rampant rabbit good girl it must be better than old cancer guts."
this is just disgusting.
O by the
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
Your friend PERCI is a so called BRIT from BRIGHTON probably a former Para that was based in cross his mother is from Sligo first name is Dave .
Why don you ask next time he is on .
Hey Perci - Is your mother's name Dave - green diesel, are you pissed ?
Chris,
feel free to give out all my personal information , but don't say you don't know where or whom Green Diesel is.
You're a liar.
Have the courage to say he's a close pal of yours, and you recruited him on here for a bit of extra heavy to bolster yours and adelante's paltry efforts at diversion.
Hey Green Head, chk the SF's database I'm registered as a "friend of SF" since 2 years ago; you can even find my home address and phone number.
I look forward to an easter card from you and a choccy bunny wabbit, cos you're such a big softie xxxx
mark doyle
sorry you DISSIDENT PRICK Dave is perci first NAME
Perci
I do not, I REPEAT, I do not know who Green Diesel is!!!!
I have never and would never give out anyones personal details.
ok chris my apologies
perci
I look forward to an easter card from you and a choccy bunny wabbit, cos you're such a big softie xxxx
perci
I am straight perci
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ah the the sinn fein spokesperson on tolerance
Green Diesel - you are out of fuckin order. Stop the bullshit now. Anyone's true identity can be found out, just remember that.
Green Diesel
I have asked for civility, any more outbursts like that and I will ban you.
chris,
asking green diesel for civility is a waste of time. he doesn't understand the concept! (won't understand concept either). as a typical teenager, spots and all, he/she has nothing going but rampant hormones, doesn't know how to handle that, is probably afraid of really meeting the opposite sex and thinks that talking loudly about sex while using gutter language makes him/her smart and sexy while it really makes him/her stupid. Some descendant for the 'Isle of saints and scholars.' If this is the calibre of modern 'republicanism' than may the lord help us.
mark doyle
dont say I did not tell you
is the threat handed out to marc there by GD.
is it more or less serious than the one alledgly made on cllr curran?
Ahh that's a shame GD
I wanted to invite you to one of our meetings; we've named our group after you:
Gay Republican Eire Emigrated Network
Dedicated Inspired Encompassing Solidarity Empathetic Laypeople
In short G.R.E.E.N D.I.E.S.E.L
lol
Hope this passes for civility chris and there's no humour bypasses tonite
perci
are you on the white marching powder again ?
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
first it was Ruphert now perci who next ?
bolvian marching powder. doh
Green Diesel
Now that's not you with a sense of humour is it?
green diesel - " dont say I didn't tell you. Told me what? You would love to get me in a dark place and whisper mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - Didn't george Michael get arrested for that last year ? I"m sure the fishermen of Kilkeel will have a few things to say about you and that big mouth of yours.
mark doyle
what i ment wanker what i had told you about perci
you did not say where you where from mark ?
ha ha perci
bobby dylan
Thanks
do you use it ? dangerous stuff look what happened to Katie French ?
nah, i just stick to the natural goodness of the ganja, or some wild little magic mushys. if i can them. it is out of season right now though.
would you like to come gathering magic mushrooms with me GD?
let me tell you GD, they would open your mind to the truth.
you would find them in the Tollymore Forest park.
fields in monaghan are pretty good too !!
RED DIESEL FORMER S.F CANIDATE
. I am a Connolly republican of long standing . BULLSHIT
the only CONNOLLY REPUBLICIAN WAS annie from whome you tried to get to sign over her house and land before she died.
. I have in fact sought and secured public office on behalf of the electorate in Dromintee
Wrong end of the parish - three townlands away
You where never a councilor but a canidate for S F
we know all about you RED where you over in CASTLEBLANEY visiting your only grand child lately .
When ever they visit again you should take them to the Golf Club for lunch a nice spot mrs would enjoy it???????????
bobbydylan
what truth would that be then ?
mark doyle
we must be neighbours i bet you are from Kilcoo ?
the truth... that all existence, as we know it, is merely the imagination of God. that we are one with, and part of, Him at the same time.
mushrooms for mind expansion. try it GD!!
bobby dylan
Thanks Father Bob nice prayer to end the night.
mushrooms for mind expansion
I will do fine with out them.
Sceolaing/ Pat/ Wirehead:
Listen you dying looking fucker stop the bull shit. Everyone knows who you are, your wife couldn't keep it in and let it out about as quick as she would take her knickers off.
How was Stormont Pat? Pity the only time you get near the chamber these days is when you are trying to use a families grief to attack SF. You had no problem in partaking in Stormont whenever yoiu were elected on an SF ticket did you Pat! Mind you its weird that you and Jim are now in the same camp, wasn't he anti-GFA and didn't he urge people to vkote against it in Cross on Easter Sunday 1998? Your ould mate Hogg had a wee cameo role at the same proceedings.
Mind you its only since Hogg got the boot for thieving and after his brother tried to kill his wife that Jim appears to have a serious problem with SF. Why is this? In 2001 I was present in Belleek as Jim participated in the 25th Anniversary events of Vol. Peter Cleary. He was also in attendance at the 20th anniversary of Vol. Raymond Mc Creesh, in Camlough around the same time. Mind you in Belleek, Jimwon the liars contest, which isn't really afr on Mc Ginn and the other participants as Jim obviously has an innate advantage! How comes Jim didn't have a gripe with SF then. Is it merely coincidence that Jims gripe happened around the same time the movement chased you and Hogg?
Mind you, you still haven't told me what Jim was doing at Stormont. According to Jim it is the centre of Brit rule in the 6 co's. Indeed he made this clear in Cross on the Easter I referred to. This shows that Jim has an ulterior motive. The same can be said of Red Diesl/ Old Monkey Ears, the seedy little man from Carrickbroad. He rants and raves about how Stormont maintains Brit rule, yet he was only to happy to take the trip up the M1 whenever it represented a chance to attack SF. Iwonder if the castle reminded him of Moira Castle. Mind you Pat you were in good company as you were surrounded by touts, half wits and cretins!
addled/chris/d.killen,
many of these are questions you'd need to ask jim himself but at a guess maybe at the times you are talking about s f and the i r a hadn't decided to actively support partition by throwing their weight behind what they previously called 'the forces of the crown!'
Do you not think stormont is the centre of brit rule (along with the new m.i.5. building which a lot of your people will find as a second home)? I suppose some of the people who went there with the quinns done so to highlight the corrupt and lying nature of your crowd, the crowd that the Dark described as 'a class of professional liars."
"d.killen,"
???
Adelante - for you to make a comment about a man's wife the way you just did "as quick as she would take her knickers off " is discusting. Are you married. Have you any idea how a remark like that can hurt someone's feelings. You should be ashamed of yourself. Let the other's to make revolting insults towards oneanother, but you are assiciated with Balrog and it just brings the level of class down a notch. I know thats not the real you so stick to blogging on current affairs, because some of the blogs ( not the ones attacking me ) arevery goog. stay away form those tabloid bloggers. Mark
addled/chris.
adressing someone as 'you dying looking fucker..' is a new low even for this blog.
It is, however, a token of the lack of rational argument or political theory that abounds here. Do I lower myself to your level at times, not quite but I admit to taking the piss out of you now and then and why wouldn't i when such obnoxious comments are passed!
You still have the wrong man/woman, by the way!
I see Fionnuala O,Connor in todays Irish Times describes S.F. behaviour at the Quinn debate in Stormont as '..muted, sulky, full of sniping..'.She described Murphy (Brit Minister, defender of the 6 cos) as '...arrived late, made a terse, graceless statement and left before the vote.'
She also commented on the muted response from S.F. on the D.U.P,s problems of abusing taxpayers money, on the grounds that S.F. are quiet because they know it won't be long before some of their own are caught out. Maybe she'll come down and have a look at sth Armagh!!
sceolaing
"addled/chris.
adressing someone as 'you dying looking fucker..' is a new low even for this blog"
I didn't address anyone as a "dying looking fucker". That said it's not the first time I have heard the expression.
mark doyle
Adelante - for you to make a comment about a man's wife the way you just did "as quick as she would take her knickers off " is discusting.
Thats big comming from you is in it ?
How much did yours cost ?
AH - I was just waiting for the bitter lonely alcoholic to start abusing people. why the big thing about my underwear. I know lastnight you were dreaming about whispering sweet nothings in my ear, and tonite - the questions about my underwear.you tell me what color your current sheep is wearing and i'll waer the same color.
Mark Doyle
I would love a good THAI tonight mark can you recommend one?
Sceolaing/Pat/Wirehead:
"adressing someone as 'you dying looking fucker..' is a new low even for this blog"
Well Pat, when you are dealing with the scum of the earth sometimes you have to lower yourself to their level.
"You still have the wrong man/woman, by the way!"
This is more dung Pat, you rig. Your wife has already lifted your viel of anonymity. You obviously dont communicate with her if you do not know this. Furthermore it is you Pat who have wrongly idnetified me. I am not Chris( hell no, please you thought being called a dying looking fucker was an insult!) and I am not Damien Killen either. I know Chris but have never come across Damien, except for his letters in the Cross Examiner. By the way you are very presumptious thinking that Iam from Belleek. I also mentioned Cross and Camlough. Maybe you should cast your net a little closer to home Pat!!!!!!!!
Adelante
You're insulted? As a QUB graduate I am the one who is insulted being mistaken for a Poly reproabte like yourself.
Sorry Pat, Damien doesn't comment on this site.
green diesel - fried duck with cashuts nuts.
there is nothing left for you to say is there ? Is that the best you can come up with. MY wife is a nurse, but I can guarantee you will never get married. And you know that yourself. You have shown you are from the gutter and i would imagine you still live with the parents. I sure you are an embassassment to them aswell. How lonely is youe life green diesel.You are a pig a sad pig with a huge chip on you shoulder. Now I feel sorry for you. poor little green diesel slagging off blokes wife's because you can't agrue with people, they just make a fool of you and then the threatscome out. go to bed and play with your hand you sad wanker.
Mark doyle
ha ha you DUBLIN prick
me love you long time !!!!
I thought those words will ever be said to you, you illiterate, uneducated , umemployed hasbeen.
can you knot slagg me ? can you not be a man ? i have a beautiful thai wife who went to college and we have abeautiful little girl. i run my own business, have a business degree and own 2 shops. I have property in 3 different countires and am taking time off to write a book. what the fuck have you got ? green diesel- a medical card, thursh, tabs in most bars in town and no friends. guess who I would like to be. you sad cunt.
MARK DOYLE
There was a lot of BIG words there boy , strong ones
when you said you where from the border region did you mean Cambodia ?
Along way from Ireland ?
Have you ever been north then ? thats N Ireland not Vietnam ?
GReeg diesel - why would i want you to love me long time, when my beautiful wife will for the rest of my life. I'm very proud I am married to her, she is a wonderful person and a great mother. Do you in your wildest dreams think you can have a life like that. we both know the answer is NO - thats where all the hatred and bitterness comes in. maybe your hand will love you long time but you will get terrible artrithis.Now fuck off.
oh - we are playing that card. Funny apart from been in cambodia and i visited the north many many times.Is that your best. Sorry in future, i'lltry and keep the words small. I know you have problems with reading
etc.
hey chris - thats perci last night and me tonite. i'm not worried if this cunt thinks i'm from dublin, but your not very honest in how you operate your blog.
Green diesel - i never said i was from the boarder region - that was bobbydylan. Fuckin goldfish.
Lads
Give it a rest!!!!!!!!!
Check out the newest post, any more nonsense and I will yellow card the both of you.
tom - Mrs Doyle. are you a republican tom ?What's your second name.
Mark
I have already asked you both to give it a rest, I will not ask again!
Mark, my real name is Idi Amin, former president of Uganda. Pleased to meet you. (Being friendly Chris. Don't want to get a yellow card!!Lol!)
don't botherchris - when someones wife is slagged off like mine you should of taken action i hourago
tom - what part of africa is uganda in. ?
Mark, I'm only back at my computer. I have removed the posts concerned. Now give it a rest or I am going to start banning people.
I'm tired of this shit, acting like a bunch of children.
Chris
You have heard the expression',, dying looking fucker..' before. of course you have and so have I but I can honestly say that I have never heard it used before to describe a person with cancer!! (ad thinks I am Maco, who is suffering from cancer) That takes it out of the realm of slagging and into sick abuse!
Myself, I am in the best of health. Cheers.
I didn't know it was being used to describe a person with cancer.
Chris.
i didn't think you did know but the other fella does.
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
Myself, I am in the best of health. Cheers.
look at wednedday Irish News
Green diesel,
where would I look for or find 'wednedday'. Wednedday, would that be a married donkey or what? I know you wouldn't be married but you are an ass so 'wednedday' to you to.
Ah, the quality of Sinn Feiner is improving, the likes of Green diesel, avenger and co must do chinnys morale a power of good when he looks at their clear cut, robust posts on blogs such as this and their wonderfuly clear arguments by clever use of gutter language and childish behaviour. Keep it up, I have e.mailed hundreds of people telling them to have a look, to get a good laugh and to see where 'republicanism' has descended to but then again maybe you are m.i.5 agents trying to destroy 'republicanism', but you are too stupid for that.
Chinny, for the information of those who are not local, is our revered m.p.
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
where would I look for or find 'wednedday'.
Sorry pat an oversite on my behalf
WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 20 2008 Irish News
A very dying looking chap indeed walking with the STICKEY in blue jacket .
Is in that you chinny or goatie ?
HI did HOGG drive the bus to STORMONT ?
Green diesel,
what is an 'oversite'? Something sitting higher up than a site? The sky over a site? What is it? I have never heard of it! 'is in that you chinny or goatie' What does that mean?' Ah ho, said Chinny as he looked at the stupidity of his backers like green diesel. Stick to hop scotch, wee lad/girl.
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
sorry again my dearest pat must get myself an oxford
by the way hows the wife?
I just knew you were gay the way you talk to mark and now you call me 'dearest.' don't worry, it's nothing to ashamed of but sad for you, I'm straight.
What do want a town for? or is it a university you want? The crime must be paying well.
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
I just knew you were gay the way you talk ?
The crime must be paying well.
So you are a GAY basher as well pat
your C V is getting more disturbing .
Asceolaing/Pat/Wirehead;
Listen you reptile, stop pretending that you are someone else. Why would your wife say that you are Sceolaing/Pat if you are not/ Is she having an affair or something? Is she suffering from amnesia? Pat, your attempts to disguise your indentity are rather feeble. By the way I could not care less if you take exception to what I called you earlier, cause the feelings of a scumbag do not bother me much. Pat you are sad, you try to lie to people on this site as well as in public. You Jim Hogg Mc Mahons and all the other vipers that are rowing in behind the QSG. Personally I would not go near you or any of those theiving bastards you allign yourself with, with a forty foot barge pole. I hope the QSG keeps a close eye on its bank account, with Hogg around one can never be too careful!!!!!!!
HEE, HEE, HEE, HEE,
Poor aul Addely paddely is getting annoyed! Good, I love to get him annoyed and it's so easy to do because he/she like councillor and policeman Curran is so childish.
Addelly, you need to realise that there are other people in the world apart from you, Curran needs to realise that too and stop behaving like spoiled children.
Murphy is starting to realise it and he said on B.B.C. radio 4 yesterday that he doesn't know who killed Paul. What, not diesel launderers??
Woodward said on the same programme that 'Low level i.r.a. mambers may have been involved...' Things are on the turn boys/girls.
p.s. I am still not who you think I am!!!hee,hee,hee.
Green Diesel,
Read it again and you will see I am not a gay basher, I just pointed out that I am straight and therefore not susceptible to you calling me 'dearest.' If you are gay you shouldn't keep hiding it, that will only add to your obvious anger at life.Equally, if you are not gay then get out amongst the people and find a boy or girl to suit you instead of sitting in night and day using foul language over the internet.
You see, young boy/girl, I have your best interests at heart and am glad that, taking my advice, you are cutting down on the gutter language.
Green Diesel
This is a yellow card, any more personal abuse and you will be getting a week long ban.
sceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
if you are not gay then get out amongst the people and find a boy or girl to suit
What sort of statement is that pat ?
sorry chris
I am a suffer of computer tourette syndrome fucker ,wanker I am trying my best to get it under control that wanker sceoling even commened me so thumbs up !!!!
Green diesel,
Good man/boy/woman
Keep up the gutter language; you are a real credit to Sinn Fein!!
Have a look at the Newry democrat and get a good laugh at ploiceman/councillor Curran making a fool of himself again.
ceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout
Will you please answer this post maybe you missed it last time around you know pat spec savers do good deals on glasses. Them ones you have are steamed up along time leaving you unable to see past your nose.
if you are not gay then get out amongst the people and find a boy or girl to suit ?
What sort of statement is that pat what do you mean ?
Green diesel
it is a piece of advice rather than a statement. look back at your own posts and just see how
many times you used the term 'wankers' and such like and it will be apparent even to you that you obviously have a problem with your sexual identity and when you start calling me "dearest", well, sure, what can I conclude but that you are gay, which is not a problem , good luck to you but I am straight and even if I wasn't I'd have no interest in such an idiot (eejit Green, eejit) as you, you wee New Brit.
Sceolaing/Wirehead/Pat/Scumbag/Tout:
Not too much to say on your mate Jims son being lifted over attacks on Vince Treanors house??? What was it you said about the Blayney photos showing nothing???? The game is finally up for you, Jim and Hogg, Pat. The lot of you should now do the decent thing and leace the QSG well alone. They would get a far better response and support on the ground in S Armagh if the likes of you cretins pissed away off, and took the axes that you have to grind with you. Following Mc Alisters arrest I certainly will not be rowing in behind the QSG, until they clarify their position on such attacks and until Jim publicly clarifies his position on it and I want to hear him unreservedly condemn those involved in the attacks. The mask has slipped Pat, you have nowhere to hide now!!!!!
Addelly paddelly,
in case you didn't hear, the lads arrested denied any knowledge of the incident and were released without charge. Do you think vincie is a tout now that he is telling stories about neighbours and why do you think he put pictures in the public domain 9 days before he made his statement to your new police friends? The lads are telling everyone all that vincie said and by god is is disgusting stuff! the only thing he didn't tell them is his fondness for the baseball bat but the lads told them that.
The p.s.n.i apparently were more interested in vincie and murder than anything else.
Addfelly/paddelly
What do you think of policeman curran (£6,000 a year for saying yes sir) saying he "surrounded by up to four men" Up to four, can he not count,? Surely it can't be that hard to count to four!! HEE HEEE HEE, what a bunch!!
Poor Vincie was described again in last nights news as a "man accused of involvement in the murder of paul quinn" Will you lot never learn to stop shooting yourselves in the foot and keep the big mouths shut.
Sceolaing/Wirehead/Pat:
"in case you didn't hear, the lads arrested denied any knowledge of the incident and were released without charge. Do you think vincie is a tout"
I think that many would consider those that were released without charge more likely candidates to be touts than the person whose house they attacked Pat. Don't you? Your position is untenable Pat and you are making two contradictory arguments my old chap. You argue that everyone with info on the Paul Quinn murder should take it to the authorities. Fair enough, as these thugs need to be brought to justice. You pay lip service to condemnation of attacks on the homes of individuals, yet when they take that info to the authorities they are a tout? Emm Pat that doesn't make a lot of sense now does it. You are cherry picking saying that it is ok to take info about the Paul Quinn murder to the cops, but if you bring info to the cops about armed gangsters attacking your property you are a tout. This is ludicrous Pat you bloody rig!! Mind you, you would think it is ok to attack peoples peroperty after all you are one of Hogg and clan Piglets supporters. Mind you, Pat, you are not in much of a position to be calling anyone a tout!
Your psoition is almost as funny as that of Mc Alister. He has been very quiet on the issue of his sons arrest, don't you think so Pat? Last week the idiot stated that the Garda getting the requisite info about the Quinn murder would be a litmus test for republican support for policing. However it was Jim that tried to prevent republicans taking the initaitive on policing. This position is absurd. How can he challenge republicans on an issue he was totally opposed to. Jim the mouth peice, even backed a puppet anti-SF candidate (where is Davy lately by the way Pat?). Republicans do not have to prove themselves to any one let alone an anti-SF dissident like Mc Alister.
Addellypaddelly
So he is a dying looking fucker too! Glad its not just me.
i doubt you'll be waiting a while to see that fella squirm, he's not like policeman curran,he doesn't give a damn for you or your new police friends. I hear he is saying that if his lad did stand up for the woman who was battered on new years eve in cross by a provo (which led to the fireworks) then he would be proud of him. You see, we will never let the bullies away with their bullying again. Wrap the green flag around a bully but he is still a bully whether he is a provo or not.
As regarding who or what is a tout, you are the one constantly making references to touts,(look back at your posts either as addlelly as green diesel or as avenger, the language and the spelling gives you away, you newry nuck)) while your crowd are full of them, so it's you who wants to have it both ways.
Incidently, now that you are so fond of the police what do you think of the derrybeg watch group accusing them of anti social behaviour, remember these are the police that chinny murphy is boasting about. You'll have to take them to oram too but your crowd are only fit for murdering lads nowm, and of course are now in love with the forces of the crown.
Addellypaddelly.
Davy was at the meeting in Newry and got cheered by the crowd unlike policeman curran (£6000 a year for saying 'yes sir') who got LAUGHED at and complained to the press like a wee boy crying "mammy, a big boy laughed at me". Of course he cried when he was arrested years ago too.Would that be why he went into the 'muscle' or 'bouncer' business, plenty of toughs around him? Incidently, he has become a very wealthy man through' bouncing', now that would sound like good socialism, wouldn't it, a legal protection racket. Poor Ireland, if this is republicanism
Sceolaing:
"Davy was at the meeting in Newry and got cheered by the crowd"
They may have cheered him, but Im sure he would if they had voted for him Pat! SF took far more votes than the puppet you and Jim backed, so its probably best that you don't try to push the issue Pat.
"look back at your posts either as addlelly as green diesel or as avenger, the language and the spelling gives you away, you newry nuck)) "
Pat I am sick of telling you that I am not from Newry, you scrub. Make up your mind Pat. Am I Green Diesel from Newry, Chris Gaskin from Dromintee or Damien Killen from Belleek? You have wrongly accused me of being each of them at one point or another. I am from S Armagh Pat, Chris can verify this, and quite frankly Pat I could not care less if you choose to believe me or not!
"You see, we will never let the bullies away with their bullying again. Wrap the green flag around a bully but he is still a bully"
And a thief is still a thief, and a thug that tries to kill their wife is still a thug whether or not he is called Hogg. You have very little to say on Hoggs homers Pat. Does he really have that much influence on you Pat?
"Would that be why he went into the 'muscle' or 'bouncer' business, plenty of toughs around him?"
Well theres no point you going into that business Pat. Mind you Jim is hardly Mr Universe himself, and Hogg is getting on in years as well. Seamus has a brave bit of meat on him but I doubt he'd have the balls for any type of muscle work. Davy should probably just stick to cycling as hes not exactly a human shit house either.
Sceolaing/Pat/Wirehead:
By the way I once heard Curran refering topeople like you at the Fergal Caraher commemoration a few months ago. I think what he called the likes of you Hogg and Jim "would have been, could have been, should have been republicans". Says it all wirehead doesn't it!
Addeddly, that's an interesting word you used, 'scrub', the last place I saw it was written on walls around Crossmaglen describing members of the provos as 'scrubs'. You wouldn't be the graffitti artist, would you? Surely you are not a ringer after all posting all this nonsense, cursing and swearing, just to make S. F. and the provo gangsters look bad?? Do you know, I think maybe you are. Fair play to you. Keep up the gutter language and suchlike, it is doing Sinn Fein a power of harm. HEE HEEE HEE, watch the puca doesn't see you in Kerry or the life will be scared out of the poor wee beast seeing the likes of you!! At least I get my daily laughs from your pure childish nonsense such as claiming to be a socialist on another thread! Yes, I am on that one too laughing at you even though you asked Chris to keep me off, you coward! (antiestablismentarianis?? chuckle, chuckle, no I am not going to chuckle, that is reserved for mcguinness when he is tickling paisleys backside) YOU ARE A NEWRY NUCK. I know you are.
ceolaing or pat mc former SF councilor and tout / Daft wife
hi pat see that daft wife of yours has been on again
Will you lot never learn to stop shooting yourselves in the foot and keep the big mouths shut.
this is the woman that has told the world you where a member of the RIRA
take that rampant rabbit of her with all the HEE HEE HEE she seems to be getting carried away with herself next she will be on saying yous are swingers !!!!
Chris, what happened to all your fine talk about an end to ad hominem attacks? There is very little else on this thread, but you don't seem to make any interventions when the abusers are toeing your political line. This despite the peddling of vile, barely literate innuendo against people who are clearly identifiable. For a while there I thought you had real potential in the fair play stakes. I put it to you that most of the postings of Green Diesel are simply unworthy by any known standard of civilised behaviour, and Adelante comes close behind him. Compared with these foamings, your own contributions are gems of balance and intellectual rigour. Yet it is still striking that throughout this whole Paul Quinn business, both here, on Slugger and elsewhere, your efforts have gone towards striking down the Quinns and those who supported them rather than to addressing the facts of the case. the Quinns just expressed their view of the murder and who did it - you could just have disagreed with them. It seems to have been the involvement of Jim McAllister in supporting the family that caused your reason to snap. But why? To my certain knowledge neither the family nor anyone else on the committee (Pat McNamee is not on it) shares McAllister's political outlook - in fact most of them have been Sinn Fein voters, some were more active supporters until right up to the murder. McAllister has been ruthlessly neutral on broader political issues, consistently ruling any general expression of political opinion out of order. The attitude of the committee to Sinn Fein has been totally determined by and limited to their exoneration of the IRA, and more particularly the accusations of criminality against Paul, and that is where all campaign statements and actions have been focused. In fact, it was the criminality allegations more than anything else which led 50 neighbours to meet in the Quinn house on 12th November - more than 3 weeks after the murder - and form the group. All these facts are available on the campaign website. Whatever McAllister may think of SF on a sider front, and no doubt his opinions are unprintable, he keeps them firmly to himself and no one else has any interest. The same applies to the involvement of people from the SDLP, Fianna Fail, Alliance, Fine Gael and Irish Labour. There has never been any anti-SF agenda, just objections to specific actions and statements from specific SF people. Some of the black propaganda since about campaigns of intimidation has simply been ludicrous. The family, committee chair and campaign have all made their condemnations clear. You have never acknowledged this simple truth.
RD
Posting the same comment in more than one thread is spamming, don't do it again.
Now to the "substance" of your comment.
"Chris, what happened to all your fine talk about an end to ad hominem attacks?"
I have already yellow carded two individuals, Green Diesel included. Any more and they will be banned for one week.
"This despite the peddling of vile, barely literate innuendo against people who are clearly identifiable."
LOL, Pot and kettle spring to mind! You were very fond of that tactic yourself until I threatened to post some of your own dirty laundry.
"Compared with these foamings, your own contributions are gems of balance and intellectual rigour."
LOL, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes!
"Yet it is still striking that throughout this whole Paul Quinn business, both here, on Slugger and elsewhere, your efforts have gone towards striking down the Quinns and those who supported them rather than to addressing the facts of the case"
Not at all, my only motivation has been the truth. I have no time for lies no matter where they come from.
"the Quinns just expressed their view of the murder and who did it - you could just have disagreed with them"
They did more than just express their view, they and their supporters have yet to produce a single piece of evidence to support this conclusion yet they have attacked all of those who have pointed this out and presented a different senario.
"It seems to have been the involvement of Jim McAllister in supporting the family that caused your reason to snap. But why?"
Not just Jim but the criminal elements who surround this campaign, my reasons have already been outlined on this blog many times.
"most of them have been Sinn Fein voters"
Eamonn Collins and Sean O’Callaghan were once Sinn Féin supporters as well, what's your point?
I have outlined on this blog on numerous occasions and with much veracity the political side of this campaign.
You can try and put up smoke in relation to this issue, the people in South Armagh are well aware of what is going on.
BTW, where is the next public meeting?
Chris, I hereby challenge you to produce the dirty laundry you claim to have on me or whoever you think I am. let it rip. publish and be damned sir. Let your empty threats be exposed. And - you have not produced a shred of evidence about criminal elements being around the Quinn campaign. You have not outlined the political side of the campaign, you have just made a lot of allegations without a shred of evidence. My point about Sinn Fein voters is simple - most of the committee were Sinn Fein voters at the last election, they have no motivation whatsover to be part of an anti-SF campaign. We did not just get a different scenario from Conor Murphy, we got vile allegations without your famous shred of evidence and you have retailed them without a shred of evidence. It is the truth that you have attacked and attacked over and over again while claiming to support the family. But the family knows just what such support is worth from people who retail lies about their son. The people of South Armagh do know what is going on, but that is no thanks to you. The next public meeting could well be in Dromintee, maybe in the Steps.
"Chris, I hereby challenge you to produce the dirty laundry you claim to have on me or whoever you think I am. let it rip. publish and be damned sir"
LOL, you should watch that temper RD, it could be bad for your health.
I have no need to produce your dirty linen in public (at this time), I threatened to do it in response to you posting vile lies about Dromintee Republicans.
You have stopped doing that so I can leave my powder dry.
"most of the committee were Sinn Fein voters at the last election"
Lies
"We did not just get a different scenario from Conor Murphy, we got vile allegations without your famous shred of evidence and you have retailed them without a shred of evidence"
Conor said he believed that it was a row between fuel smugglers; the family Jim and Pat have all admitted on Spotlight that Paul was involved in fuel smuggling.
So much for your assertion of no evidence.
"The next public meeting could well be in Dromintee"
I doubt it
"maybe in the Steps"
That would suit you all right!
It’s interesting that there has been no statement from the QSG in relation to the arrest of the son of one of their members. It’s also interesting that despite all the unfounded allegations being peddled towards republicans by the QSG that this has been the only arrest relating to the case.
Hi old Red Diesel missed you
I put it to you that most of the postings of Green Diesel are simply unworthy by any known standard of civilised behaviour,
Thats big comming from you is in it.
unworthy hi ?
Did you try the GOLF CLUB yet for a feed ?take the Curry Boy you never know who might serve you ?
skerrif,
Isn't it very interesting that a man lies murdered and all we get from this wonderful new 'police force' the provies gave us is the arrest of 2 lads over fireworks!! Notice, though, skerrif, they have been charged with nothing!
The guards are a different breed and some of these fine mornings you will find that there will be an empty bed or two, maybe even in skerrif,((maybe in your own house) when some of the thugs you think are republicans are away to portlaoise. I don't know what age you are so don't know if you can remember who tried to burn down the Kabin some years ago (pillars of republicanism) The same tramps attacked the golf club and caused fights every where they went. If you are old enough to know these things then you should reflect a bit more on what happened to Paul Quinn why people blame provo members. McVerry a cargie man, beside skerriff, put provo gangsters on the run , if he was alive now he would not have very many of the current crew in his movement. Regarding statements, you must read the wrong papers and listen to the wrong news. Next weeks local papers will be fun as sin fein try to attack the Quinn Support Group to take the spotlight off murder. mcallister's well fit for them, just look at curran whinging about being laughed at in newry, the aul eejit, he's made a bigger laugh of himself.
skerrif
an interesting point about the arrest of the tenagers is that if it goes to court then the whole story about one of your 'republicans' beating up a woman in Cross earlier in the night that the fireworks were let off will have to come out.If you are from skerrif then you will know the connection of that woman to this case and will understand why she will publicise the attack on her! That will look good for the holy man at the crossroads when one of his sons in Teer will be shown as a big bully who beats up women. By the way, no one is accusing republicans of killing paul quinn because they are just thugs, not republicans.
The story of the man with the baseball bat and his attacks on young people in recent years in cullyhanna will have to come out to as it will all be part of the case.If it goes to court mcallister will probably take the stand and explain some of the facts about your 'republicans' and that will be interesting. The gangster element will need to watch ou, genuine republicans have nothing to fear. I hope it does get to court and some dirty linen will be aired. S F still make the mistake of going down roads they should not be on.If it goes top court poor old vincie will have more to worry about than the other two lads!!
Sceo
The truth about that woman and her having been "beaten up" came out quite some time ago but some how it doesnt have the connotations you seem to think it has.
And how exactly is all this "evidence" going to be introduced into a trial about vandalism? Mitigating circumstances? Sorry dont think it applies to property crimes, might if they were mounting a self defence-defence but how is vandalism self defense?
Sean,
nothing to do with how such a trial would end or it's result but to do with the severe embarrassment for the bearded one when the antics of some of his people become clear, which they would during such a court case as the beating of that woman is important as is the previous behaviour of the 'baseball bat brigade' aropund cullyhanna. There will be no scarcity of people willing to come forward on these issuse. Vincie ,then, will not be coming out as so squeaky clean nor will some of his supporters such as the family of the holy man at the crossroads..
Sceo
that beating of a woman, you mean the one who had her keys taken from her because she was driving her car aggresively towards people she percieved to be in the IRA?
If she was truly beaten she would have run to the PSNI at break neck speed to have them arrested
you are telling more lies than MI5
Sean
sean
no, a woman who didn't have a car but was after leaving a pub to go and get a taxi in cross on new years eve.(along with her sister) She got well beaten by a 'big provo' from teer in relation to Paul Quinn.
Young men were very angry when they came home that night and heard about this and so it will be relevent if there is a court case on any incident at vincies (friend of the thug)that night. There you go, Sean, you do not know as much as you think and clearly you do not know the facts about this woman and how important they are in explaining local anger at the 'man' who beat her and his 'movement.'
scleo
there are no emotional mitigating circumstances for property crime
Unless they are claiming insanity? I think you could do with a good sectioning i cant say about these boys i will leave that to some one elses judgement
ano
you need to read the previous posts which makes it clear that this is nothing to do with how a case might result but that it would give people a chance to explain what has been happening to people in that area at the hands of so called 'republicans'. Just look back 3 posts before yours.
Baseball bat bullies and women beaters will be well exposed if it ever goes to court.
no scleo
I am Sean and even though I am not a lawyer I know you can not intoduce non-germain evidence to any trial
ye silly bastard chris will be back and sort you
but suffice it to say there are no mitigating circumstances to property crimes
Sceolaing/Pat/Wirehead:
"YOU ARE A NEWRY NUCK. I know you are"
Pat it is apparent that you know sweet fuck all about me,, so you resort to posting this shite about me being from Newry in order to try and disguise the fact that many others from S Armagh like myself want nothing to do with you or that thieving fucker Hogg. What about wee lightfoot, do you help him hobble about on his crutches. You know fuck all about me Pat!!!! Is that where all your anger comes from Pat? The people you named on this site have contributed more to the IRA than you or Jim ever did. How long was Jim in jail? Whts that you said about touts? Hoggs another contender for the 30 pieces of silver. Maybe it was him that set you, the man you named on this site and Luca up for the guards?
You have an awful obsession with Newry Pat. Maybe you secretly want to be a little Nuck hood, hangigng out with all the scrubs in Derrybeg. Mind you, you would fit in well down in Newry Pat you screw. Mooch, Fulton, Jap are all touts too and they like lining their own pockets as well. Maybe you could bring your old mate Hogg along too. Mind you Mooch cried like Hoggs wee bro whenever he was questioned over stolen arms by the Army. You would be in good company Pat!!!!!
Adelante
Play the ball!!!
Sean.
why do you all want Chris to "sort me out"? Hasn't he enough to do keeping you lot in line.
Sceolaing/Pat:
I have decided to disengage in the mudslinging with you. It was pointless and I have already told Chris of my regret at being dragged down to the low level that you inhabit. As such Pat, i would like you to clarify certain points that you have raised. IF it is possible for you to do so Pat, I would like your response to be meaningful instead of the purile, personal attacks and shite that you have come to post of late.
1/ You are very fond of telling readers about the alledged attack on a woman in Cross. However whenever I pressed you on the issue of a certain Hogg trying to kill his wife with the aid of a heavily armed gang and lorry, you are lost for words Pat.You simply ignore this Pat, yet everyone in S Armagh knows about it Pat( and can we please stop all the Newry shite please Pat, because I can reassure you that I am not from Newry!). Are you saying that Hogg had the right to kill his wife.
2/ Yourself and your mate Jim have always said that republicans offering support to the investigation into the Quinn murder would be a litmus test for their suport for policing. Weren't yourself Jim and Hogg some of the main critics of the Sf policing stance. Didn't you back Davys anti-policing and anti-republican election campaign? Republicans do not need to prove themselves to the likes of you Pat.
3/ You claim that republicans are trying to mislead the murder investigation. This could not be further from truth. SF has been consistent in calling on thiose with info to take it to the authorities. If anyone is misleading the investigation Pat, it has got to be you and the QSG. It is widely accepted in S Armagh that Paul Quinn was a member of a criminal gang involved in feul smuggling. As much was admitted on Spotlight. Yet the QSG continue to ignore this and argue that he was an angel. What about the lorry of feul that was burned outside Lisburn by Paul Quinn?The QSG in continuing to insist that republicans were involved, without a single shred of evidence are the ones misleading any investigation. If they admitted the true nature of Paul Quinn perhaps the Garda could concentrate on his criminal associates. The truth about the murder will be far more damaging for the reputation of Paul Quinn than it will be for republicans when the truth comes out Pat, rest assured.
4/ You have said that Vincie is a tout after he reported the attacks on his home. Are you now arguing that these hoods had a right and were justified in attacking homes? You also said that the two attackers were right to tell the cops about Vincies hobbies as you alledge. Surely this is double standards Pat? Would you not consider them touts if you consider
Vincie a tout?
5/ You claim that the QSG has massive support in S Armagh. This is a fallacy Pat, and we both know it. SF has the support of 84% of the people in S Armagh, I doubt the QSG has the support of even 8% of S Armagh. Sf has a greater number at their events than the QSG have, so it is axiomatic who the people of S Armagh really support.
6/ You claim that the QSG has no ulterior political agenda and is not seeking to demonise SF. I find this very difficult to believe Pat, especially when you examine who all is involved in the Group.
Jim was deselected, sided with Hogg and tried to cost Sf a seat in the elections last March. Obviously has an axe to grind. He refered to the bro of Hogg, a man who stole from the movements coffers and tried to kill his wife and who was implicated in the murder of Oglach Keith Rodgers as 'a true Irish republican' in the funeral oration. If Jim considers this gangster a republican it is obious Jim does not know what a republican is!!
Hogg is also pulling strings somewhere. A thief , gangster and bully who kills IRA volunteers and supports their brothers in trying to kill their wife. He was booted out of the movement so he obviously has an axe to grind.
Yourself Pat, were chased by the movement after you sided with Hogg. Your ill health was giving as the reason, but everyone in S Armagh knows it was because of your association with Hogg and his criminal gang.
Seamus claimed he had no axe to grind, but then went on a tirrade about the Army abducting him in 1986. Speaks for itself really, and this was exposed at the Cross meeting. He is also married into a family with an axe to grind and we all know about this families fall out with the movement many years ago. Davey was at the Newry meeting. He was cast aside when it became apparent that he just couldn't pass the mustard. Yet again an obvious anti-Sf axe to grind Pat.
7. You have made claims about certain republicans spilling their guts when arrested. However you have over looked one who is supporting the QSG and who the media quoted at the time to try and give the illusion of dissent within S Armagh. A MC C went to jail for something he obviously didn't do. He never held a gun before in his life and was merely a driver for some of the most active vols in S Armagh who carried out the attacks. He cried like a baby when arrested and implicated himself in attacks he had nothing to do with. You managed to over look him Pat. How comes?????
8/ I have yet to hear you condemn the attacks on homes in Cross and Cullyhanna. I have yet to hear you say that the death threats should be lifted Pat. Do you think this is acceptable behaviour Pat?
9/ You have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that proves or indeed suggests republican involvement in the murder. All I have got from you is innuendo and rheotric. Several people have came forward to deny part in the murder and have alraedy made this known to the authoriries. Is your failure to adduce any such evidence due to the fact that you do not have any Pat?
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