It's absolutely sickening what these genocidal maniacs are doing. What kind of an 'international community' allows this to happen?
Why do always begin nearly every post with "I see" ?
I see that the administration that NCM argues is not under any Israeli influence has categorically refused to call upon Israel to call a ceasefire. Says it all really. Tzipi Livni had the gall to reiterate today the Zionist belief that this is "a long war against error". Terror???? Bombarding the hapless people of Palestine from the air before launching a full frontal ground assault in an attempt to undermine the democratically elected Hamas Governemnt appears to be the only terror involved! Just look at how disproportionate the Israeli response has been, clearly demonstrating that the destruction of the Palestinian people and the decimation of Hamas are the motivating factors rather than a grand defence or aspirations for peace in Gaza.
"Whoever stands by a just cause cannot possibly be called a terrorist" Yassir Arafat
Zionist bastard Livni said "a long war against terror"(not 'error', apologies for the trademark typo!lol).
i agree with a lot of your stuff (posts as well as comments) but the idea of this being an attempted genocide, given the technology at the Israeli's disposal, is simply non-credible.
Andy,
It is credible. They just can't be as obvious about it as some other 'rogue states' because genocide is not politically acceptable internationally. Member of parliament Matan Vilnai called for a 'shoah' (Hebrew for 'holocaust')against Gazans recently. Many other prominent Israelis have made similar comments. The country was founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing FFS!
Another great piece by Robert Fisk.
Andy,
Not wanting to labour the point but, from Fisk's article:
"Both Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres said back in the 1990s that they wished Gaza would just go away, drop into the sea..."
Funny that. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made similar comments about Israel but his remarks attracted a lot more attention than those of the 'men of peace' (lol); Rabin and Peres. Why do you think that is?
Howdy JG
Yeah I take your point on the foundation of the state and ethnic cleansing.
Although that of course is not the same as genocide.
I just think that sort of word demeans the more extreme suffering of the Armenians and of course Jews.
Fair enough, Andy. I believe what we're witnessing is a slow genocide. I don't use the term lightly.
Israeli's actions cannot be considered a "genocide" no matter which side you are on.
If this is genocide, then let's call every or nearly every conflict a genocide. And the term will lose all meaning.
And lets keep in mind that if Hamas/Gaza had not fired rockets into Israel, then there would have been no Israeli missiles and no Israeli troops in Gaza.
In essence, Hamas invited the Israelis in.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide,
Article 2 defines genocide as:
"Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
And lets keep in mind that if Hamas/Gaza had not fired rockets into Israel, then there would have been no Israeli missiles and no Israeli troops in Gaza.
The first paragraph of Fisk's article answers this:
"How easy it is to snap off the history of the Palestinians, to delete the narrative of their tragedy, to avoid a grotesque irony about Gaza which – in any other conflict – journalists would be writing about in their first reports: that the original, legal owners of the Israeli land on which Hamas rockets are detonating live in Gaza."
To suggest that this all started because Hamas started firing rockets is convenient for those with an agenda, but (willfully?) dishonest.
The rockets were fired in the context of the sadistic strangulation of Gaza and the continuing occupation of the West Bank, including the continuing expansion of illegal settlements. The back drop being over forty years of military occupation, of course.
Have you saw the dead kids yet Phantom?, there are scores of them. I doubt if the sanatised US media are showing much of that though. You should watch it, a kinda reality check.
I am fuckin numb from seeing as much as I could take.
Tony,
My patience has become very limited with those who apologise for murder.
Can you imagine the reaction if 500+ Israelis or *God forbid* Americans were so calously slaughtered?
Palestinians are considered sub-human, their lives are cheap and expendable.
JG, call someone who cares 
(rolls eyes)
Adelante: "I see that the administration that NCM argues is not under any Israeli influence has categorically refused to call upon Israel to call a ceasefire."
I believe if you read what I wrote I argue that the US isn't under Zionist *control*. I never said that the Israelis don't have *influence*, sometimes significant influence, on US foreign policy in the Middle East. There's a difference.
NCM:
The international community has since the beginning of the murderous Zionist campaign called for an immeadiate Israeli ceasefire. The US however has refused point blank to issue such a call, despite the fact that a humanitarian crisis is rapidly materailising due to lack of medical provisions, food etc.. It must be an influence of considerable degree then surely? You consider it influence, in my eyes it is more a matter of control. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on thie point!
Adelante,
Israel is strategically useful to the US. That is why the US support them. If they ever lose their usefullness the US will cast them aside. To say that Israel control's US foreign policy is pure fantasy. If anything, Israel could be considered a 'client state' of the US. The US is far too powerful to allow one tiny country on the other side of the world to control it in any way.
Is US foreign policy completely biased towards Israel? Of course it is.
I argue that the US isn't under Zionist *control*. I never said that the Israelis don't have *influence*, sometimes significant influence, on US foreign policy in the Middle East
NCM,
Exactly.
Adelante, I think our "disagreement" really isn't in substance much of a disagreement. Fundamentally we both agree that pro-Israel supporters have influence, sometimes a good deal of influence, over US foreign policy in the Middle East. I'm not comfortable with the word "control" here mostly because it is too strong, as there have been past instances where Israel has wanted to take a more belligerent stance which the US has officially opposed. A cynic would argue this was all for show but I suspect otherwise. Israel isn't really the most important thing going on in the US, actually, and pro-Israel supporters have to compete with other folks for attention and interest, just like any other lobby. Iraq, Afghanistan, maintaining our various endless wars (war on terror, war on drugs, war on the blacks and Hispanics and poor) and "homeland security" culture, and bailing out a small group of capitalists with blank checks written on public funds are more important to the folks that actually run the show here in the US, the corporations, the government contractors, and the government, than the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
You'll notice also that my views on Gaza have shifted over the past week or so to the camp opposing Israeli action from the camp uncritically supporting Israeli action. I wish I was always perfect and always saw right from wrong from the start, but alas I am not.
Well!
Its interesting to see the difference between the Jewish response (bomb the crap out of everything) v the christian response (ie UK and the IRA) take the bombings, protect people from terrorism and get talking - also interesting that the US approve of the more 'Jewish' response.
If over the course of the 50s 60s 70s and 80s the UK had shelled the crap out of 'terrorist strongholds' in Belfast - which would have been technically easy to do I would have been ashamed to be English, and Ireland would have been more than justified in supplying insurgents - and we would have had a much bigger and more difficult problem to deal with on our doorstep.
Israel is constantly crapping on its neighbour, and wondering why it is getting angry about it. If some big guy was digging up my backyard, eventually I would snap and throttle the bastard, so the Hamas response is predictable.
To resolve conflists like this, you work to agreements and stick to them however hard it is to do so, reacting with agression when restraint is needed shows weakness, not strength, and Israel is winning no friends with its weakness at the moment
Blaine, totally agree with the above.
It sickens me when certain other bloggers are almost aroused at the thought of the mass slaughter of innocent Palestinian women and childen.
The same people would ban those who dissent from their anti-arab racist viewpoints.
SDLP PALESTINIAN SLAUGHTER HYPOCRISCY
I am writing to you to register my disgust at the hypocrisy of the SDLP in relation to the morally unjustifiable actions by Israel in Gaza. Whilst on the one hand SDLP Leader Mark Durkan announces that he has written to British Foreign Secretary David Milliband and the Israeli ambassadors in London and Dublin to register his deep concern at the “deteriorating situation” as well as joining more than 100 MPs and other lords to sign a statement demanding the end to the slaughter in Gaza, on the other, the SDLP in Newry and Mourne Council in an alliance with the Unionist members also serving on the Council, voted to refuse myself and many others who feel so strong about this issue, the right to register our concerns, sympathies and disgust at the human catastrophe which is currently unfolding, by refusing to put Books of Condolences for those killed in Council Buildings throughout the area. The Council had Condolence Books for many things such as the 7/11 London Bombing, the deaths of the Queen Mother, Princess Diana and George Best, but unfortunately Gaza with nearly 800 dead (mostly civilians) and over 2000 wounded (many maimed), does not seem to fit the local SDLP understanding, of what the people of Newry and Mourne can register sympathies for. In his statement Mark Durkan stated “It is not good enough for governments, including the UK government, to hide behind superficial even-handedness, to call for a two-way ceasefire in terms that suggest that Israel is not to be held to any particular account for the scale, nature and humanitarian impact of the military action it has deployed”. Obviously the SDLP leaders words were not meant for his own elected representatives to practice. The collective SDLP vote against the proposal to allow Books of Condolences for those killed in this latest savagery on helpless people was morally wrong and they should hang their heads in shame.
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