well chris
Hugh of Tyrone is not too impressed:
"To be lined up with the nastiest bunch of ring wingers (Coir, Libertas) to emerge in Ireland in recent times is unforgivable.
If that wasn’t bad enough they’re now on the side of the vile UKIP. For this voter the final straw was the disgusting spectacle of a Tricolour-draped table in a Brussels bar surrounded by a joyous UKIP and other assorted barking little Englanders, some from here no doubt.
But come to think of it, what have little Englanders and little Irelanders in common except their littleness. It was nauseating to hear the beaming Nigel Farage proclaim ‘We’re all “Arish” today’
In the knowledge that this was brought about with the connivance of Sinn Fein who are by now firmly in the UKIP Eurosceptic camp despite all the spin about wanting Ireland to be at the heart of the EU.
They helped the detestable UKIP and company to celebrate a repellent xenophobia while handing the friendly Southern Government a poisoned chalice, a brilliant lesson in how to win friends and influence people Sinn Fein 2008 style.
Sinn Fein hasn’t just shot itself in the foot, it shot itself in both feet. For this voter it’s ‘Never again Sinn Fein’, you’re welcome to your small-minded pyrrhic victory."
Posted by Hugh Of Tyrone. on Sep 27, 2009 @ 07:03 PM
Post your thoughts on Willie Frazer's trip to America.
He says all politicians,military and ordinary people support loyalism,hate Sinn Fein and can't wait to pledge their help to his FAIR organization.
Give his recent video a watch.
Willie Frazer is a well-known fantasist. He could do with a stay in his nearest psychiatric unit.
As for the Lisbon diktat, two points: first, we need to tell the likes of UKIP that they and their braying "haw-haw" voices are not welcome in Ireland, just as their forebears who shot and terrorised Irishmen from 1916 to 1921 in trying to crush the struggle for Irish freedom weren't, and that we will make OUR OWN decisions for OUR OWN COUNTRY'S benefit, not Britain's. Second, while I am naturally opposed to the principles behind the Lisbon diktat, I have a bad feeling that all too many will vote for it out of fear and a desire for economic security, and that the "Treaty" will thus be ratified.
If y'all vote "no" they'll just make you vote a third time and then a fourth time until the vote comes out the "right" way... ain't democracy grand?
You mean Declan Ganley, right? Not Michael Gangley?
Voting today on the the five occupied islands of Arranmore, Gola, Inishboffin, Inishfree and Tory , the other occupied islands to follow. If they have any sense they will vote yes.
Way to go LondonDoire!
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspa.../
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Ivan,
I hear the people of Tory hanker for the day when they can have abortions in the EU army for €1.84 an hour and so will be voting yes.
Alternatively, they may vote yes because its an innocuous administrative document that will streamline decision-making in the EU.
Looks like a yes then.
You could always ask for best of three 
Henry is blunt about it in the Observer.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...d-lisbon-
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"What the Lisbon vote illuminates is the chasm between the politics of Northern Ireland and the politics of the Republic. While Sinn Féin is very much a mainstream force north of the border, in the south it remains very much at the margins, even at a time when the government is so unpopular due to the recession. The party that once hoped to be in power in both Dublin and Belfast simultaneously, and thus drive forward a United Ireland agenda, has failed to exploit these exceptionally dire political-economic conditions.
Ireland's endorsement of Lisbon also underlines again the reality of partition on the island. By voting "Yes" the Republic draws ever closer to the EU and the eurozone economy. With a Conservative victory extremely likely in the next general election, Northern Ireland is set to remain in the sterling zone and thus disconnected from any future all-Ireland currency."
Hard to argue with any of that.
To be honest, and I know it's out of keeping here, I'm encouraged by the Irish ratification of the Lisbon Treaty. I believe it's crucial to the future of Europe that the EU have an international presence and an authority to act... to what exact degree is debatable, but I don't feel that the institution of such a facility is, in and of itself.
The United States went through a similar period of uncertainty about its future in the years following the Revolution. For a decade and a half, it consisted of a lose confederal union, nearly powerless, and it showed. There were rebellions, separate currencies, risks of competing foreign obligations, discriminatory standards... finally the Articles of Confederation were superseded by the US Constitution in 1787. It wasn't easy; thirteen different states with overlapping territorial claims, different religions, even opposing adherence to slavery. But they reached a compromise, one that satisfied no one in every particular, but was workable enough for most of them. Slowly, thirteen squabbling colonies learned to work together. I honestly wonder, had they maintained their toothless association, would they have been the nation that first put a man on the moon, or played such a crucial role in the defence of democracy in two world wars?
I strongly feel that the torch is being passed back across the Atlantic to Europe again for the first time in centuries, and the Union is well-placed both in time and geography to resume the stewardship of the free world. But it can't do it if every little question of which side the dinner forks are supposed to go on has to be decided by a unanimous vote among 27 different members. As Henry Kissinger asked decades ago, "Who do I call if I want to call Europe?" With the adoption of the Lisbon Treaty, that's no longer a sneering, facetious question.
You've come so far and done so well together over the past three generations. It's time to trust each other and put your faith in one another. You have the opportunity here to be so much more than just the sum of the parts. And moving forward, the world's going to need that.
With regard to a united Ireland... it's already been achieved in most important, practical respects. The border's essentially a formality; people move back and forth barely noticing in terms of work, education, homes, even voting rights (NAFTA has nothing like that on offer). And in the long run, I don't believe the UK can both stay out of the euro and in the EU for much longer. In fairly short order, over the next ten years or so, they will have to decide if they're part of Europe or not -- particularly if the Lisbon Treaty is a go. If they're not part of Europe, who are they part of? Much as they like the States, they're not getting into NAFTA. So have faith: don't worry about the Irish Republic having to line up with British standards. The day is coming when they'll have to align with YOURS, because yours are also the standards of 3
...Looks like I blabbed too long for one breath. 
The rest...
So have faith: don't worry about the Irish Republic having to line up with British standards. The day is coming when they'll have to align with YOURS, because yours are also the standards of 350 million others across the continent -- 350 million people the British now depend upon every day in mutually maintaining a standard of living. There's no doubt in my mind that the advance of the European Union adds volume to the cry of "tiocfaidh ar la".
LP - Thank God we don't have anything like Fianna Fail - so the idea of the UK living up to The ROI's standards is most amusing!
Oh, Ivan, I don't think it's so far-fetched. Even from this side of the Atlantic we've been hearing the squealing about dumping the pound for the euro... I can only imagine how deafening the din must have been in Europe as everyone watched Iceland melt down. Ireland's ahead of the UK in the project, and the UK will catch up. Mark my words. You can't be in AND out forever. And when shit-or-get-off-the-pot time comes, I'm absolutely sure Britain will opt to be in, not out. Pride to the point of hubris is great for photo-ops but come lunch time, it makes lousy sandwiches.
And Ivan, as far as standards in political-financial ineptitude go, have you heard of RBS? Even I have.
This TAL business is hilarious. Freedom and Independence my arse. Ireland standing on her own two feet is a joke - she has just fastened herself, lamprey-like, to a bigger unit, the EU. If there wasn't an EU they would be begging the UK to take them back
Brendan Behan once suggested that the republic should be returned to the Queen with a note apologising for the state successive independent governments had reduced it to.
They would get a reply - Thanks but no thanks LOL
Sort your own country out before you start interfering elsewhere !
Ivan, would you prefer if the UK fully withdrew from the EU?
Going on what you've previously said, I'd assume you'd be happy that British Ulster and the bog repulic would be further apart than now.
Ivan has been known to contradict himself the odd time when he has the sniff of the freestate in his nostrils
btw. Great line from BB, made me chuckle.
C'mon Chris give us something to argue over. There is Obama, Ian grey's(who? I hear you ask) comical performance @ Holyrood yesterday. There is the Lib-Dem's on the cuff of a u-turn over an independence referendum which will effectively end UK inc., the funeral shots in Derry etc. Oh and will P&J finally happen?
Hope all is well?
I'm a staunch fan of the EU Mervin.
Nationalism caused the horrors of the 20th century. British, Irish, German, Japanese, Balkan.
The EU will hammer the nail in local nationalism's coffin. it will be left of centre as well and religion will take a back seat, especially as and when we get Turkey admitted, Insha'Allah!
Tony - do you see that prick Alern blames the Protestants for his public discomfort over his extra-marital relationship ?
who's alern???
Chris you're like my 3rd best hero after Francie Bellew and the wee guy at Sugar Island who used to interfere with himself under his smelly oul Crombie overcoat.Don't be getting lost in customer relations and British imperialist consumerism. Pat Finucane would be having kittens in his grave (is that a mixed metaphor?)if he knew you'd relinquished the world of wigs and gowns. By the way what do you think of Jonathan Swift?He wasn't fond of the Irish I hear.
"Brendan Behan once suggested that the republic should be returned to the Queen with a note apologising for the state successive independent governments had reduced it to."
Funny, that's exactly what millions of people all over the world have been saying Britain should do vis-a-vis the north of Ireland.
Reality check - apart from a few plastic paddies the vast majority of people round the world - including the ROI - don't give a rat's ass about NI being part of the UK. I doubt if many of those "millions" you claim exist could find Ireland on a map let alone Northern Ireland.
"I doubt if many of those "millions" you claim exist could find Ireland on a map let alone Northern Ireland."
Well, I did, Ivan, didn't I...?
I'll take your word for it.
"I'll take your word for it."
Yeah, it's that nice little island off the coast of Europe with that unfortunate limey paint spot in the upper right-hand corner. Tsk, tsk.
http://
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now talk about something meaningful or fuck off ...
apart from a few plastic paddies the vast majority of people round the world - including the ROI - don't give a rat's ass about NI being part of the UK
I remember a few years ago in a café in Cushendall an elderly local lady asked me - after finding out I'm from Dublin - if I wanted the six counties back. She asked it that directly and all present looked at me for an answer!
She obviously had the impression that a lot of people in the South don't give a hoot, and she wasn't wrong in fairness. But I think that indifference is just a part of the general apathy towards politics that exists. There's no particular hostility towards the idea of Irish unity.
That said I think the suggestion that a majority in the South don't give a rat's ass is pretty dubious.
Julius - as Gerry A says, SF are the ONLY party serious about Unification - and their electoral support shows that only a small percentage of the population actually WANT unification.
The rest ? OK, there is as you say a vague meandering "wouldn't it be nice " akin to kiddies praying for the end of famine, disease and war.
The people of the North are alien, Different. Always have been. Even had their own distinctive language.
Adders has been 'retired' while Percy continues to post here.
If Chris makes Percy a contributor then he'll have got all his demands.
That'll keep MI5 busy, trying to decipher that one Irony.
Just passing by, have a life now, sad you don't,
Ivan/Exvet/whateverthefuck.
I'd vote this one of the most boring predictable grumpy blogs - if I could give a rat's arse, that is.
"Our forefathers would be turning in their graves at this craven act of capitulation."
Is this seriously a line written in 2009? More like 1889. I find this unbelievably corny. A Queen's graduate? A solicitor? Chris, seriously, pack it in. this blog is doing your career serious damage.
I'd vote this one of the most boring predictable grumpy blogs - if I could give a rat's arse, that is
Well, you posted the comment so you gave enough of a rat's arse as anyone else who posted a comment here!
have a life now
Seems unlikely. If Jacqui was any good in bed you'd hardly be obsessing about David Vance and Chris Gaskin now would you?
lol, 'Jacqui' was just another alias of Jo's just like her more recent creation 'Azir' over on ATW. But hey, nice attmept at trying to get David into hot water with squarespace
Irony Det.
If this site matured into a hybrid plant comprising of the best pollen from Glasgow, Dublin and Sussex, it would become such a powerful intoxicant as to warrant instant prohibition by the authorities, especially were a female sativa to be found
Bill,
What ever happened to 'I wonder'? lol
JG, forgot about that one, thanks for reminding me!
Scaremongering?
HAH - how about putting pictures of big tanks on your posters.
YES won, and you insult the electorate by telling us that we were scared into voting one way or the other.
You will continue to put your energy into hate and discord, and innocent people will die as a result. Shame on you.
Would it be sexist to describe Jo/Jacqui as just a silly bitch with serious mental health problems ?
Ivan, that description of the harlot Jo would only scratch the surface
You think it is deep enough to warrant the use of the word surface ?
She's just another troll.
Jo has been known to utter some sensible words in the distant past. More recently she seems to have gone completely off the rails.
She is barking mad Julius.
Ivan/Exvet/Cruibh and endless other name changes accuses me of trolling...OMG, pot and and kettle barely begin to scratch the surface...obviously no-one does irony around these parts.
Oh and for the record, "Azir" on ATW which I rarely visit any more preferring to leave bigots to talk to themselves is nothing to do with me, tho I could see why DV et al would try to make out that it is. I'll now have to visit and see what he or she posted, of course. But I shan't comment as the stalwart defender of feee speech er...censors opposing views, innit?
How many times has he bragged about his traffic and hits on the Tip Jar recently...?
No, I didn't think so.
Take care, JG, my mental health has never been better... X
You take care too Jo. xxx
Well looks like ATW will be short of bloggers in the near future, seeing as some of them have an appointment with the clink
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my mental health has never been better... X
That is meaningless - you have always been a sad, mad bitch .....
Sure my handle has changed a few times - but unlike you I've never tried to hide who is posting and I've never had conversations with myself Jacqui
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