lol. provisional sinn fein quoting james connolly. quite a stretch.
the cause of ireland is the cause of the classroom assistants and the cause of the classroom assistant is one in which minister Ruin couldnt give a flying fuck.
socialism? right.
bobbydylan
too right, when Sinn Fein m.p.s are giving references to multi millionaires on tax fraud scams we can see what they think of socialism!!
The holiday home brigade as as far removed from socialism as william Martin Murphy was from Connolly and Larkin.
What does a midle class tennis player like Caitriona know about socialism, I don't believe she ever had a real job in her life.
Chris:
Some interesting ones on the clar all right. Not a whole lot of contribution from the 13 S Armagh Cummain though, and admittedly my own Cumman are one of the main offenders. It will be interesting to see the make up of the Ard Comhraile after the Ard Fheis. Unfortunately (or should that be fortunately if Mc Ginn gets up to speak) I will miss it as Im away to Tralee. Btw I trust that in my abscence you will keep that cheeky Pat/Sceolaing in line.
Agree that we must stay to the left, as moving to the centre would lead to use losing our cutting edge and degree of antiestablishmentarianism.
"Any attempt to remove Socialism from Sinn Fein is unacceptable; we are a socialist republican party".
This is quite simply an incredible statement. As socialists not just in Ireland but across the interweb gather our collective jaws from our keyboards, I can only ask that you enlighten us as to the socialism that runs through the veins of the party.
Specifically what type of socialism do Sinn Fein espouse, express or believe in. Connolly was never a member of Sinn Fein or politically related to those others in the rebellion who would go on to lead the IRA. Indeed if you were remotely interested in Connolly you would feel pretty uncomfortable in marrying his ideas with those of Sinn Fein and you do a diservice to him by this association. I would never claim to speak for the dead but i don't think Connolly could agree with the partys reduction of Capital Taxes in a vein attempt to gain electoral success.I would say that even Neo liberals, Conservatives, Liberals and yes even Sinn fein would agree on the notion of redistributing wealth whether by seizure of assests waterfall economics or as result of wealth creation. However signing up to this vague notion does not make you a socialist, it does not make the party you are a member of a socialist party. For some reason it may exist as some type of vague notion attached to the party which will be dumped or simply never spoken about as Sinn Fein try to make themselves more electable. If your genuinely interested in Socialism and would like to gain a greater understanding of what the word actually means maybe you could do worse than starting off at anything by de Ste Croix and end up at Steve Cohn. Maybe then we can talk about "Socialism".
reggie,
as you well know, these are 'school boy' socialists with no real understanding of what it's about, just that it sounds good! they were prepared to enter coalition with any party in the 26 cos and partnering the D.U.P. is hardly socialist.
Addelly
I dont have curly hair and am in robust health!! You need to watch out, though, with that terrible temper of yours you are surely going to bust something, even your gabhal, you idiot. I must see Maco some of these days and we'll have some laugh at you and your socialism and your 'degree of antiestablishmentarianism.' ( So you are making up big words now or were you thinking of 'antidisestablishmentarianism, an archaic term, probably not even in the dictionary any more, which might suit you better.) Anyway, it's better than your normal schoolboy cursing and swearing and using'daring' words, but, of course you're still at that too. The flower of Sinn Fein!!!!!
Addeddly/paddelly
I am really worried about and your alter egos, green diesel and avenger. Your fixation with words like 'arsehole' and 'fucker' point to some underlying problem and I advise you to see a doctor to see if you can be brought to some kind of reality.
So you're away to Kerry! watch the puca doesn't get you though on second thoughts it's the puca which needs to watch out in case it sees you. Just imagine the scene, the puca sees addelly/paddelly and runs away screaming 'run, run, it's the horribble addeddly/paddeddly, it's the addeddely/paddeddely, run before it bores us all to death with tales of a 'struggle' in which it played no part and the strange mythical, invisible Sinn Ferin socialism!'
"I would never claim to speak for the dead but i don't think Connolly could agree with the partys reduction of Capital Taxes in a vein attempt to gain electoral success."
...and yet you just did!
If you did it, so can I: maybe if Connolly was alive today and saw the failure of communism and the prosperty brought to Ireland by economic liberalism, he might have different views.
Just a thought.
-- maybe if Connolly was alive today and saw the failure of communism and the prosperty brought to Ireland by economic liberalism, he might have different views.--
A most astute comment.
This emergency motion has just been put on the Clar from the Dominic O Brolchain Cumann:
"This ArdFheis condemns the murder of Paul Quinn; notes the clarification by the British and Irish Governments that they do not hold the view that the victim was involved in criminality of any kind; further notes the assessments of Sir Hugh Orde and the International Monitoring Commission regarding the involvement in this crime of persons who are current or former members of the Provisional IRA, or who have associations with members or former members of the Provisional IRA; and calls upon everyone to encourage people to come forward and assist the police investigations being carried out by the PSNI and an Garda Síochána."
Hmmmm. Interesting
regarding the involvement in this crime of persons who are current or former members of the Provisional IRA, or who have associations with members or former members of the Provisional IRA;
So just about everybody in South Armagh, Derry and basically 45% 0f the population. Nice to see they have narrowed the list of suspects
Andf the IMC did not make any such statement ever.
RD
Any chance of a link?
Sean, the IMC said on 12th November: "Despite the fact that we are saying it is a local dispute, we do believe that those who were involved in the attack on him — in his brutal murder — included people who are members or former members or have associations with members or former members of the Provisional IRA.” This was not, as claimed, the personal opinion of John Grieve but a substantive statement by the whole commission. It was reiterated in person to Stephen and Briege Quinn by the whole commission at their meeting in Carrickmacross in January. You culd easily check their position yourself instead of peddling nonsense.
Youre right RD I did make a mistake
So just about everybody in South Armagh, Derry and basically 45% 0f the population. Nice to see they have narrowed the list of suspects
In all reality their is much interaction between the 2 communities so it should probably havd said 60% of the population of the whole of nIrleand and 100% of the population of South Armagh including notably the Quinns themselves
Sean,
Associate carries a lot more significance than just knowing someone. I am sure at some time you must have known a thief or gangster or two. Does that make you an associate of theirs?
if the provos were so numerous then why in the name of God did they not fulfill their promises to kick the Brits out instead of signing up to partition??? I know some bad alcohol dealing provos, some gangster type provos but would not like to be called an associate of theirs!
"maybe if Connolly was alive today and saw the failure of communism and the prosperty brought to Ireland by economic liberalism, he might have different views."
Connollys views on the Red empire would certainly have been interesting but he wasn't a communist how could he have been "communism" wasn't established until after his death. To suggest that socialist economic theory has remained stagnant since the days of Connolly and i'm not being disrespectful Reg is just ignorant.Its true Ireland is alot richer now than it was. The winners on the Island have embraced consumerism as a new religion and talk about house prices all day, truly we have our utopia.
I think in police language associate caries a much loser definition than you would apply
Drink in a bar where a provie drinks you are an associate, drink in a pub where the associate of an associate of a provie drinks youre an associate. buy or sell a motor off a provie or a provie associate youre an associate etc etc etc
anonymous.
you then must be an associate of rapists, drug dealers paedophiles etc as you are alive on this earth and so are they. Your point is ludicrous, just going into a pub, shop, or whatever them makes yopu an assocuiate of whoever else was in there. Nonsense, to be an associate means to have a close link and a unity of purpose in that link.
Sean .
that post marked 'anonymous' was for you. Sorry anon!
psst what ever you do, don't mention the quinns this weekend.
Button your lip, and don't let your shield slip.
Put on your bullet-proof mask.
And if they try to break down your disguise with their questions:
You can hide, hide, hide behind paranoid eyes.
Pink Floyd "The final cut"
perci.
you have an admirable taste in music!!
why thank you bob, most kind of you sire
Scleo
No and yes if the cops want to accuse you of being an associate of someone their defintions allow for a great deal of .....erm latitude. Just ask all the people swept up in interment.
I have always found the 'socialism' of Sinn Fein to be fairly vague. Indeed, to say you are a socialist is quite meaningless. Tony Blair was a socialist. Saddam Hussein was a socialist. Colonel Gaddafi was a socialist. Leon Trotsky was a socialist. Even Adolf Hitler was a member of a party that had socialist in its title. What sort of socialists exactly are Adams and McGuinness? This isn't a trick question aimed at tripping up Sinn Fein members here. It is something I think is worthy of clarity. It's very easy to cite well known quotations like "the cause of labour is the cause of Ireland" and "if you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, etc." That is not evidence of a clear considered socialist analysis, it is GSCE History. A failure to explain what brand of socialism and republicanism they stood for was one factor that led to the implosion of The Workers Party in 1992. Ambiguity can only carry you so far.
Can a party that wants a socialist republic be taken seriously when its Education Minister advises striking classroom assistants to return to work? Would James Connolly have been a supporter of the Private Finance Initiative? Would he have been caught moralising about 'EastEnders'? Can a party that is at pains to show the public how it will mark International Womens Day be taken seriously when it collaborates with the right in denying women on this island the right to choose whether they have an abortion or not? Even on this site we see bizarre links to crackpot groups like Youth Defence (an organisation whose leadership has associated with the European far right) and 'The Hibernian Magazine' (an eccentric sort of Continuity Sacred Heart Messenger).
So, before Sinn Fein either maintain or erase socialism from their constitution they would perhaps be doing us all a service if they could shed some light on what they actually mean by it. Apologies for the verbosity.
"he wasn't a communist how could he have been "communism" wasn't established until after his death."
It wasn't established in practice. That is my point.
"To suggest that socialist economic theory has remained stagnant since the days of Connolly and i'm not being disrespectful Reg is just ignorant."
I didn't suggest that at all. Anyway, it still doesn't work though no matter what adaptions it has undergone.
"The winners on the Island have embraced consumerism as a new religion and talk about house prices all day, truly we have our utopia."
Hardly. But that's the problem: it's impossible to create a utopia. It's best just to leave people to their own devices as much as possible.
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Sceolaing/Wirehead/Pat:
Where will I beagin with the shite that you have been posting on this medium in my abscense!!!
"I am really worried about and your alter egos, green diesel and avenger"
I don't have any alter egos Pat, and unlike you I don't get my wife to post comments to save me whenever I get into difficulty.
" I dont have curly hair and am in robust health!! "
Yes you do Pat. By the way Pat, your wife has already come out and told everyone that you are Sceolaing. Why are you constantly denying this Pat. Is your wife a liar too? Who are you if your are not Pat then? You must be his wifes bit on the side because your comments were posted from the same IP address as Pats wife?? Not so clever now Pat!
" 'degree of antiestablishmentarianism.' ( So you are making up big words now or were you thinking of 'antidisestablishmentarianism, an archaic term, probably not even in the dictionary any more, which might suit you better.) "
Antiestablishmentarianism is a perfectly good word Pat, not that I would expect you to know. And for the record it is in the dictionary, the longest word in the dictionary in fact!
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Adelante
The new rules apply to all!
Chris:
I have not broken any of the new rules. I am merely asking Pat why he is denying who he is. His wife let everyone know that he is sceolaing. But then again if I was Pat I wouldn't let too many people know who I am either. This bastard has had the brass neck to say that I am from Nerwy. I take almost any insult but this one is just unacceptable Chris. It was even worse than when he tried to say that I was you. Maybe you can talk some sense into old Wirehead because I am rapidly losing my patienec with the decrepid old bastard!!!!!
Adelante
"From now on the rule of "play the ball not the man" will be in operation.
Anyone who engages in personal or foul mouthed abuse, blogger or reader, will have their posts removed and a yellow card issued."
You have not followed the new rules, you aren't the only one but as a contributer to Balrog the standards expected of you are higher.
The personal abuse has to stop Adelante, make your point without it or don't make the point at all.
I am not a fucking babysitter and I am rapidly losing my patience.
Chris,
How did the Ard Fheis go? Was it on in the RDS on Friday night? If so, I was at a somewhat more capitalist do across the road the same night.
Did you go for pints in Crowe's or Paddy Cullen's afterwards?
It was very good Reg, some very interesting debates. Yes, it started on the Friday at 6.15pm.
Were you in the Herbert Park?
We were going to head to Crowe's for a few pints but by the time we got something to eat (had to go to a real fucking yuppie spot) we got a phone call to head down to Bewleys.
Most of our ones stayed there and the craic was good.
I ended up in the resident’s bar of my hotel with a former QUB law mate till about 4.30am, at which time when we were asked to go to bed lol.
I was wrecked the next day and we had to be back for 10.00am.
Sounds interesting.
"Were you in the Herbert Park?"
Nope.
Was at at a do in AIB HQ. We went for a couple in Crowe's beforehand then to Paddy Cullen's after and then into town.
I heard a few northern accents in the pubs but didn't realise the Ard Fheis was on across the road until afterward.
Ad,
Calm down, don't be "losing my patienec with the decripid old bastard." or at laest explain what that means. There is nothing wrong with being from newry, surely all republicans know that where we come from means little. Above all, as corporal jones would say, " don't panic, don't panic!"
sceolaing
Stop flamming!
chris.
fair enough.
sceolaing or the former S F councilor pat mc TOUT
Associate carries a lot more significance than just knowing someone. I am sure at some time you must have known a thief or gangster or two. Does that make you an associate of theirs?
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN YOUR ASSOCIATION WITH HOGG AND THE FAUGHERT CARTEL ?
if the provos were so numerous then why in the name of God did they not fulfill their promises to kick the Brits out instead of signing up to partition???
HAVE YOU NO LOOKED UP AT THE HILL TOPS LATELY AND VILLAGES IN THE 6 COUNTYS I THINK I DID TELL YOU ABOUT SPECSAVERS ?
PARTITION AS YOU SEE IT,
IN ALL YOU HAVE PRINTED HERE YOU HAVE NEVER ONCE COME UP WITH GOOD ARGUMENT ON HOW YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE DISSIDENTS CAN TELL US WHAT YOUR IDEAL WAY OF GETTING AN EQUAL AGREEMENT FOR ALL ON THE ISLAND. MAYE BE YOU WILL PUT UP OR SHUT UP ONCE AND FOR ALL AND TELL US? I AM SICK OF READING THE SAME BULLSHIT FROM YOU PAT AND THAT LADIES MAN WONT TO BE RED DIESEL SO LET US HEAR IT ?
I know some bad alcohol dealing provos, some gangster type provos but would not like to be called an associate of theirs!
sceolaing #
THAT FUNNY PAT WHERE DID THE MONEY COME TO FUND DAVY SHAKES HYLAND,S ELECTION CAMPAIGN ? THE ONE WHERE YOU AND MC ALISTER PUT TOGETHER THE TEAM OF DISSIDENTS TO CANVAS FOR HIM .DIDNT JIM AND YOURSELF NOT FORGETTING HOGG DRIVE DAVY SHAKES TO THE ELECTION LAUNCH ?
SO MUCH FOR THE STATEMENT ABOVE !!!
poor we deluded green diesel.
please explain me what is equal about an agreement wherby the majority in the 6 cos have a veto on irish unity, that's all you need to do, explain that my fine little newry boy/girl.
By the way, "kicking the brits out" always meant kicking out their government all its control mechanisms, not simply troops which can return at any time and which , in fact, are still in the 6 counties, along with YOUR new headquarters for M.I.5. HEE HEE HEE, you're some boy/girl.
Sceolaing,
So what do you suggest be done to further national unity, prosperity and progress?
reg.
Now now, let the wee newry person, green diesel come back with his her answer first, the questions were put to him/her and then we'll get to your question. b.t.w., I have asked peoople like green on a number of occassions exactly what s.f.s plan is and they have never told me. I wonder is that why adams was rambling on at the ard fhesi about 'new stratigies' and 'high powered committees' to work on the question on unity in ireland. Do you think he knows that the old one, whatever it was , is not working?
"Now now, let the wee newry person, green diesel come back with his her answer first, the questions were put to him/her and then we'll get to your question"
Nice attempt to sidestep the issue! My question is separate to the question you asked of Green Diesel.
sceolaing or the former S F councilor pat mc TOUT
why don you get yourself a copy of the GFA that was endorsed by the people of Ireland . no matter how much it is explained to you DISSIDENTS it will not register the WAR is over the people have spoken the RIRA ,CIRA ,INLA have no backing from the majority . If you have a problem why don t yous put a party together instead of these independent X S.F councilors like Davy shakes Hyland. As i have asked in my last post who funded DAVY SHAKES HYLAND last campaign Pat as you where involved in it !!!!!!!!
When are we to see the socialism exactly?
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