The only reason that Fine Gael won 20 seats was because they used Labour as a foot stool to gain respectability.
Not so, Chris. To discover the reason why FG won 20 seats this time round, we need to understand why they lost them in the first place in 2002. Back then, Fine Gael had a leader (Michael Noonan) with no connection to the electorate. Also, they were hopeless as an opposition in the period of the first FF/PD government. FG seats fell like skittles as a result, and they lost several high profile names.
Under Enda Kenny, they were able to regroup and were a better opposition during the last Dáil. Many of those seats that were regained by Fine Gael last week were won by the incumbent of 1997-2002, e.g. Charlie Flanagan in Laois/Offaly, Alan Shatter in Dublin South, Brian Hayes in Dublin South West, etc.
As for the make up of the next govt, I think it will be FF/PD/Ind, or failing that FF/Lab.
Gerry
There is no way that Fine Gael would have won the seats that they did without the Mullingar accord. Labour didn't benefit one iota from this and they allowed Fine Gael to appear relevant again.
The Ceann Comhairle always votes with the government. It's almost a certainty that Cooper Flynn will have to resign her seat unless she finds a really big brown envelope. I think it will be FF/PD with JHR, Finian McGrath with Tony Gregory or another independent as CC. I'm sure an independent vote can be secured with a junior ministry.
The other thing to think about is if McDowell will be at the cabinet table, Bertie could apoint him to the Seanad and then give him a ministry on that basis. Let's hope Harney weilds the knife effectively and forecloses that option.
The Ceann Comhairle always votes with the government
Perhaps you would cast your mind back to 1997 when Seamus Patterson of Labour was elected Ceann Comhairle.
You'll have to refresh my memory on this one, I tried googling for what you're alluding to but couldn't find anything.
I spent a large chunk of 1997 trying to purify an S. Typhimurium motility protein to a purity level that subsequently turned out to be impossible to acheive. I barely remember the details around Thick Spring taking Reynolds down.
Hit return too soon....
Reynolds/Spring events were the other time I was buried up to me oxters in research and not seeing the light of day for a couple of months. I mean that literally, I didn't even see my kid brother awake during that period.
Mullingar Accord or no Mullingar Accord, everyone knows that the only chance of FG getting into Government is with Labour. The only point of the MA was to rule out the possibility of Labour going in with FF. If neither Bertie nor Enda is ratified as Taoiseach on June 14, then all bets are off.
In truth, Labour have stagnated under Pat Rabbitte. My one reservation about voting for the alternative coalition (and I doubt if I was alone in this) was the prospect of Pat Rabbitte as Minister for Finance.
Back in 2002, FG's voters deserted the party in droves because they were appaled at the notion of Michael Noonan as Taoiseach. Enda Kenny inherited a party in turmoil and unsure about its future. He has re-energised Fine Gael and regained all the ground lost in 2002. They would have done that without the Mullingar accord, imo.
To be honest Chris, the virulently anti-FG stance will do SF no good in the long run and even arguably hurt them last week, as a vote for SF was effectively a vote for Bertie for Taoiseach.
SF should be open to dealing with whoever implements as much of and as close to SF's policy as possible. An FG-Labour coalition is a bit to the Left of a FF-PD one and it's not like there isn't possibilities there in the long run. Moreover, it pushes the issue back to the other parties (if nothing else, think how much it would wind FG up), gives you more media and a better negotiating position.
Imagine next time round, things are close but it's clear an FF government has been significantly rejected and SF hold the balance of power. Would you really want to enter a government with a party that had been rejected by the voters?
Kensei
I do see where you are coming from and assure you that the prospect of government with Fianna Fáil is no more appealing to me than government with Fine Gael.
My opposition to Fine Gael is not based on Civil War politics, it's based on the here and now.
should be open to dealing with whoever implements as much of and as close to SF's policy as possible
Agreed
I spent a large chunk of 1997 trying to purify an S. Typhimurium motility protein to a purity level that subsequently turned out to be impossible to acheive.
Next week's Talkback ?
"Republican on Balrog admits trying to produce Weapon of Mass destruction" 
hello chris. just wanted to say hi. we think your blog rocks.
Chris
Could you be a bit more specific as to why you oppose Fine Gael?
"Harney wants the job of health minister (heaven forbid!!!!) and will get it under this coalition."
She's working out at last, is? Gone on a crash diet?
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, in the south it's Mary I'll-die-young-from-a-heart-attack Harney and up north we have Mick McGimpsey, a guy who looks like an undertaker or worse.
Health ministers? Honestly, what must they think of us abroad?
I don't really understand Southern Irish politics so can someone present any analogies for me? What I mean is who are each Southern Irish parties closest British equivalents e.g. are FG the rough equivalent of the Lib Dems that sort of thing.
SBK
Irish political parties in the 26 counties don't really compare to British political parties.
I will try to give an unbiased view.
Fine Gael
-Made up of parties that supported the treaty. The pro-free state forces. In term or right/left they are nominally centre right. They describe themselves as Christian Democrat.
Fianna Fáil
-Founded by DeValera after the Civil war. Claim to be the "republican party". They are what many call the natural party of government as they have been the dominant party for the best part of 80 years. A centre party that has swung from protectionism to full blown corporate whore masters.
Labour
Centre left before they merged with Democratic Left/Stickies. Under Rabbitte's leadership they have come towards the centre.
Greens
Centre left, tree huggers (hat tip JG)
PD's
Right wing, pro-enterprise spawn of satan.
What I find entertaining is that unionists are criticised for living in the past, even though the DUP and UUP are fighting a modern battle but the two biggest - by far and away - parties in the ROI are still fighting a civil war that ended more than 80 years ago.
If you had to choose, which ROI party would you support Chris ?
Greens
Centre left, tree huggers (hat tip JG)
Whoa - Gerry is a self-confessed tree-hugger!!!!
Did he .... throw the election ?
What I find entertaining is that unionists are criticised for living in the past, even though the DUP and UUP are fighting a modern battle
When did 1690 become modern???
If you had to choose, which ROI party would you support Chris ?
I would only ever support Sinn Féin however if that wasn't a choice I would try to find a party or candidate that represented both sides of my political coin.
Socialist and Republican.
Not many options in the South or North bar us.
I have a lot of respect for Joe Higgins.
There are no other parties that I would ever say I could "support".
I would never however vote either Fine Gael or PD.
I would vote DUP before I would vote PD!!!
Did he .... throw the election ?
No, he didn't!
Chris a chara- 1690 isn't an issue between the UU and the DUP 
Whereas THE difference between FG and FF is ... the treaty !
MR
It was the defining moment in Irish history, my own opinion is that they are both a waste of space.
Fine Gael call themselves the "United Ireland party" yet they don't stand on a 32 county basis. Same goes for Fianna Fáil and the "republican party" nonsense they spout.
The hatred between them though has to be seen to be believed.
Most of my dads family would at one stage have been hard core Fianna Fáil because of family members serving in the 4th Northern with Aiken.
Half the family would have remained Fianna Fáil up until the response of Jack Lynch to the Northern crisis. For others it took the Hunger strikes to change their mindset.
They say every family has a blacksheep though and one of my fathers uncle's is an out and out blue shirt.
It's hilarious, all you have to do is mention Gerry Adams and he goes bananas. That said it's nothing and I mean nothing to the reaction you get when Charlie's name is mentioned LOL
As you know - one of the very few people of that era for whom I have any respect has to be de Valera, rascal and rogue though he was.
I get the impression that despite lip service, the partitionist mentality after the 20s was as strong and stronger in the FS/ROI as it was in NI.
As you know - one of the very few people of that era for whom I have any respect has to be de Valera, rascal and rogue though he was.
*spits on ground at hearing the name of the DeVil!*
I have inherited my fathers hatred of the man and a respect for Collins, very weird shinner!
I remember my Da telling me that when he was growing up there was 2 pictures in the front lounge, one of the Pope and one of Dev.
When my Da was 16 he stole Devs picture and burnt it, my god the grand-parents went bananas!! LOL
I get the impression that despite lip service, the partitionist mentality after the 20s was as strong and stronger in the FS/ROI as it was in NI.
I don't think so MR, it's not the impression that I get from reading and talking to those who lived during those times.
I surmise that if you asked the "nouveau riche" in Dublin if they'd be happy to take a tax hike to pay for all the unemployed animals (fenian and hun) in NI to get a united Ireland I bet most would say fuck off!!
p.s. I hope Worthington works out for NI. As a Ballymena man his heart will certainly be in it. Fingers crossed he can carry on Lawrie's good work. A wee holiday in Switzerland next year would be nice.
Regarding my last post. What I'm saying is I think southern Irish folk couldn't care less about a united Ireland generally but they would if it would hit them in the pocket.
Chris,
in this day and age I wouldn't regard FF as being any more Republican than FG---FF in the last 30 years only becomes Republican while in opposition and this consists of empty noises.
Yes the forerunners of FG commited war crimes such as Ballyseedy during the civil war and the Murder of 77 prisoners and yes they dallied with fasism in the 30s---but all those people are now dead(last one died a few months ago and he was innocent of any such crimes ,just fought on the pro treaty side).
and does it really matter which side someones great grandfather fought on almost a hundred years ago--like who remembers the Parnell split of a generation before that. Who cares other than for historical interests
As you say your views are based on the present and not civil war politics-I guess your distaste for FG is Because of Johnny Brutal Bruton the man who out Unionisted Paisley--yes he was a bleeding embarrasSment cowtowing to the lot at the other side of the Irish sea--But Kenny isn't a Unionist,he might'nt exactly be pushing a United Ireland but Id rate him as a mild Nationalist--as for the man that he suceeded he wasn't a Unionist either he just never recovered from the Hep C scandal and he paid the price.
I think SF should vote Kenny as Taoiseach for the good of democracy in the south--FF have been in too long,too many scandals, too much waste and far too much arrogance--its win win for Sinn Fein----When those 35 tansfers from SF to Mc Dowell were counted he clung too hope for all of 5 seconds only to have it taken away along with his seat--why not deprive the other jerk of his position too---and any way how long could either block last in power before the plug is pulled a year ? 18 months max---the Republic may even have another election much sooner if Tribunal revelations make Bertie too hot to handle for even Mary H
To answer the question about analogies between southern Irish parties and British equivalents.
I think that Fine Gael historically somewhat resembles the pre-Thatcher Tories. Labour would sort of resemble old Labour except that they were blatantly deferential to the clergy, as other Irish parties once were. Fianna Fail has no British equivalent and resembles more some Latin American parties with their centrist-rightist Catholic populism and their historic tendency for corporatism and clientelism.
Having said that most of these distinctions have been erased by the neo-con/neo-liberal hegemony of the past few decades. All of the Dail parties have been effected by this, some more than others, and some embrace it more fully than others.
Martin
My hatred for blue-shirts is based on the present however their past will always play a part.
Dromintee people still remember and tell their children about the fact that John Halpin, a member of the Dromintee company of the IRA, was shot dead by Free State Forces in October 1922.
Saying that it's their present incarnation that annoys me just as much. You touched on John Bruton aka John Unionist. A man with no knowledge or understanding of Irish Republicanism. A man who described meeting Charles Windsor as the best day of his life.
If it wasn't for people like Albert Reynolds we would not be where we are today, we would not have had a peace process. Fine Gael have never offered anything positive to the people of the North.
Free staters they were and free staters they remain.
I have already said that I believe both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil are a waste of space however I would never relish the prospect of a blue-shirt Taoiseach.
The modern parties under the name FG and FF bear no relation to their historical namesakes.Of course they can trace their roots to pro and anti treaty forces but this has absolutely no relevance to the southern electorate.
From any reasnoble distance FG and FF are indistinguishable and with good reason they want power. Modern politics is about money and personalities not policies. The people of Ireland embraced the Celtic Tiger,worship at the altar of house prices, pray that interest rates don't rise and that the multinationals keep investing. If there are any valid comparisons to be drawn it is between the people of Ireland and Southern England.
In the north the housing boom is nothing short of an economic phenomenom where house prices have risen above Scotland, Northern England and parts of Wales, the average wage in the North are actually lower than these areas. Those who can afford have invested in property and a huge property rich middle class has emerged. So as we have turned to a nation of rabid capitalists where the individual is the king our political parties have adapted and given the electorate what they want.
Sorry if its O/T, but I can't understand why this site continues to offer credence and any respectability to MR as he persistently attacks me personally on another site and makes homophobic comments about my partner and I.
As a vehicle for carrying these and other comments, I do believe Balrog is lessened by carrying comments from a bullying homophobe. I will refrain from commenting on legal liability at this time
Jo
Have you been attacked on this site? Have homophobic remarks been made on this site against you?
Balrog has never been a vehicle for carrying those types of comments and I reject that remark most forcefully!!
Jo what do you mean by legal liability? Mine/Balrog's?
I really hope that wasn't meant as a threat, you would be out of your depth!
Chris
Your antagonistic attitude to me, as someone notifying you that a contributor to your site is making (possibly actionable) homophobic remarks, is noted. While it may be gratifying to you that your site is noticed by the MSM, there is a downside. Personally, I'm surprised your remarks coyuld be construed to be supportive of homophobia.
Chris
I agree that you yourself are not homophobic and do not mean to imply that you are. However a contributor to your site most definitely is.
Your antagonistic attitude to me, as someone notifying you that a contributor to your site is making (possibly actionable) homophobic remarks, is noted
Don't start that sort of nonsense with me Jo! I am antagonistic to people flaming on my site I am not and never have been antagonistic towards you.
I have no intention of seeing this site go the way of "Blog Wars", I have made that clear to everyone in the past. I do not have the ability to alter comments on any other site but my own.
If a poster makes those type of comments towards you on this site then you can rest assured that I would take action.
As a point of interest, what would you have me do exactly?
While it may be gratifying to you that your site is noticed by the MSM
I get no such gratification and I am well aware of the downsides!
Can one slander 'someone' invented like Jacqui ?
Keep taking the tablets Jo
For a starter, slander is spoken and libel is written.
To all concerned: I don't want arguments from ATW spilling on to my site!!!!!!!
Point of Order Chris - am I still welcome to post here ?
Chris
You're very touchy.
The other contributor hides behind anonymity but as per previous posts his name and email address are known to you. As I have been threatened that my employer be advised of my posting on the internet, I have sought legal advice on my options and identities may have to be revealed. You're aware of the formalities, Chris...
Correction: his name and his address are known to you.
Bulshit Jo, if John Boy Walton is making homophobic remarks about you on ATW, then thats a matter for Crazy Davy. I haven't seen any homophobic comments posted by Ivan on this site regarding you though.
Point of Order Chris - am I still welcome to post here ?
Of course!
You're very touchy
I'm in the middle of exams and don't have time for this childish bullshit!
Jo
MR is not a contributer, my contributers are listed on the right hand side of this site.
his name and email address are known to you. As I have been threatened that my employer be advised of my posting on the internet, I have sought legal advice on my options and identities may have to be revealed. You're aware of the formalities, Chris...
What you do in relation to comments on another site is up to you, it has got nothing to do with me.
If you are, and you seem to be, threatening me with legal action then I would step back and consider that again.
Don't go down that road with me, as it will be expensive, messy and I will not be revealing anyones name and address!!!
Liam
I don't allow homophobic comments or sock puppets on this site, stick with the one screen name or face a banning!
Of course!
Go raibh maith agat Chris.
I'm in the middle of exams
I wondered why you were so quiet of late - ádh mór ort!
It is my view that a lot of media focus is on websites that encourage ati-western hatred amongst young impressionable Muslims.
The other side of the coin is that sites encourage hatred not only of Muslims, but also seek to fan sectarian hatred in Northern Ireland/ the North. I cite "A Tangled Web" as such a site. It is owned by David Vance, whose views were submitted to the electorate and supported by just over 1000 people.
The party to which he then belonged has no elected members. I believe that he is a religious bigot and is unrepresentative of the population of this region. The airtime afforded by the BBC to his views, therefore should be represented in alignment with his proven popular support.
AS a licence payer I am entitled to my view, as he, his. Rather than face my views, he bans me from his website and libels me on the internet, alleging, with the poster known as "Madradin Ruadh" that I am insane.
This I do not accept and given the rationality of my recorded opinions, I will defend, in all instances and in public, my views.
I deny David Vance and his lackeys the appearance of rationality when in fact, in trhe main, they are utter racists and bigots. and while appearing to disagree are lackeys to his Svengali-like Internet personality. I will continue to challenge him wherever and whenever he appears to be reasonable as he is a BIGOT. Ny licence fee -and yours- pays this man - seek the airtime he deserves proportionate to how many support his bigotry.
Boo!
Hey Chris,
Sorry about the blog wars invasion on the thread, spoiled a perfectly good conversation!
Jo,
If you run around websites accusing moi of being a bigot, please furnish me with your name and address so we can discuss it further. Otherwise you/Jacqui come across as a serial pest. Frankly, you would be out of your depth in a bird-bath so best stay away from serious discussion.
David
As you've banned me from your own website, rest assured we will discuss further your views, particularly where your views are at odds with your web presence and offending the law, further.
I wouldnt rely on Bob McCartney backing you up. Some new blood is available. Where legal precedent is involved, you'd be surprised who is interested.
You're a bully. Like all bullies, the best tactic is to face you down.
Chris
David threatened to inform my employer as to my views (if I am identified.) You know my email. Grateful for your views.
As a matter of historical relevance, a Planning Service official (NICS) appeared on an Orange Order platform being VERY forthright on the right of Orangemen to march in Portadown.
I dont know who was in the audience: but I can find out. You can imagine the content of his speech.
That mans' views in relation to his *objective* considering SF party or supporters planning applications in Craigavon/Banbridge/Donaghcloney(where David lives) can only be imagined. Interesting precedent.
Jo
What exactly is the senario you described a precedent for? I think you have got some mighty dodgy legal advice!
Chris
Speaking as someone who has no regard for UK law, I'll take other advice thanks very much.
Interesting though, that you haven't ever challenged David's threats to take other bloggers and commentators to court. Given that he is totally isolated as a BIGOT, both against Catholics and Muslims, I would have thought him an Aunt Sally. Obviously, you're distracted elsewhere. His views are unrepresentative of anyone payiong a licence fee. On that -and other issues - he will need legal representation. Ad I havent even touched on his involvement with Ulster Resistance.
Chris
Speaking as someone who has no regard for UK law, I'll take other advice thanks very much.
Having no regard for something does not make one ignorant of the subject.
Your reference though to UK law is interesting as it shows you're as legally naive as some other bloggers. There are 3 very distinct and very different legal systems at play. Each with their own laws and rules, Scotland for example is a mixture of common law and codefied law. A totally different system to E and W or the North.
You will learn this out to your cost one of these days!
Interesting though, that you haven't ever challenged David's threats to take other bloggers and commentators to court
Meaning what? When he challenges me with court action then I will get interested. What would you have expected of me?
Ad I havent even touched on his involvement with Ulster Resistance
Your comments on my site are actionable against me, I would like some evidence for that claim or else it will be removed!
Cris
Interesting that when I cite a person who dwells on fear as the reason that they appear on the BBC - or the internet - as a reason that they should so appear, that you acqueisce in their bullying.
David Vance is a bully and a bigot.
Happy to defend that in court. Should he ever try and protect his name, I have plenty of (unedited) evidence from his website to defend my claim.
But I still find it amazing that you as a 20s Catholic rebel, seek to defend a bully. I thought SF stood for the oppressed. Not even, it appears for a lesbian couple who live in Newry/Armagh...
Now then, MY involvement with Ulster Resistance??? Evidence please...or time for a little pruning.
Chris
David claims to have been out of NI at the time UR was formed. I find it difficult to believe that someone of his passionate convictions wasnt involvd in Ulster Resistance. FoI might help.#
i think he has got a little sensitive.
Tell us David, how well did you know Mr Robin Jackson?
Viewers might note that I asked about UR 2 mins ahead of DV. Someone might think that someo0ne was keeping an eye on this site? (cut and pasted)
Interesting that when I cite a person who dwells on fear as the reason that they appear on the BBC - or the internet - as a reason that they should so appear, that you acqueisce in their bullying.
Please show me where I have acqueisced to any bullying????
But I still find it amazing that you as a 20s Catholic rebel, seek to defend a bully
Again I ask, where have I defended a bully?
I thought SF stood for the oppressed
They do
Not even, it appears for a lesbian couple who live in Newry/Armagh...
Poor me, poor me, pour me a drink!!
Now you are linking yourself to the oppressed? Talk about MOPEry of the higgest order. Do tell me Jo, as a middle-class, Protestant girl in the 6 counties how exactly are you oppressed?
I asked for evidence to support your claim that David was a member of UR, thus far I have recieved
I find it difficult to believe that someone of his passionate convictions wasnt involvd in Ulster Resistance. FoI might help.
and
Tell us David, how well did you know Mr Robin Jackson?
That does not constitute evidence or a defence in libel. To me, from a legal point of view, it looks like a fishing expedition. Namely you throw out an accusation and then hope to secure evidence from it.
I am the one who faces libel action, now please either supply evidence for your claim or I will be removing the accusation.
Chris
In the interests of free speech why dont u ban all those who refuse free speech?>
That's not how I work Jo, I believe in free speech and as long as people do not stray into libel they are more than welcome to post here.
Balrog has an open door policy
Still waiting for evidence...but there is none. Pure moonbattery. Sad more than anything else.
Proof that you are a bigot? read your site you provide all the evidence required
As for the Ulster resistance claim? Thats probably dubious because people of their ilk wouldnt lower themselves to be associated with you
Sean The Emerald Pimpernel
Liam
I have already warned you once before about posting under different names, I will not be doing so again!
Sockpuppets are not allowed on Balrog
Here you go Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...h?
v=l7sgoSZVeFg
Chris,
Agree with you on Albert Reynolds a man who does not get the credit he deserves and someone who was shafted for the presidency by Bertie.
re the reprisal executions of the 77 Republican prisoners (the official reprisals) there were hundreds of unofficial reprisals such as Caherciveen,Knocknagoshal,Ballyseedy and many cases of shooting prisoners,rapes and ill treatment of prisoners---no they shouldnt be for gotton when it comes to FGers getting on their high horse about violent pasts and fitness for government, but FFs history is not great either that way but on a smaller scale---Dev borrowed Pierpoint to hang Irishmen at least the F.staters in the official reprisals gave their murder victims the dignity of the firing squad.
As regarding coalition with FG, it was a much greater leap for FG and Clann na Publicata do do buisness then than it would be for SF and FG today---Mc Bride and Mulcahy hated each other and some members of cabinet didnt speak to each other ever ---John A Costello became Taoiseach instead of 'dirty dick' or '77'Mulcahy as Republicans called him a the time,because the Clann wouldnt tolerate him even though he was the leader of FG,
That government declared a republic for the 26 and advances were made in health services and the eradication of TB before the conservative elements(the paranoid church) in the south ruined Noel Brown.
Back to the present---its not healthy democracy for FF to be in power for 23 out of 25 years--if they are not ousted now there might be no experienced opposition left for people to turn 2 next time as an alternative
Handbags at dawn.
Martin
I agree with a lot of what you say, I also agree that Fianna Fáil have been in government for a long time. I can't, at the momemt, see any realistic and stable alternative.
I would find it very hard to support a Fine Gael Taoiseach, just look at uber-blue-shirt Brian Hayes for an example of why.
He tried to claim the the disgrace of the Holy Cross incident involving Catholic children having piss thrown on them was the fault of "Sinn Féin/IRA" despite the fact that loyalist Billy Hutchenson had already blamed loyalists and said he was ashamed to be one that day.
How can we be expected to work with partitionist fucks like that?
I dislike a lot a bout Fianna Fáil however I have to give them one thing, they are much more in tune with the people of the 6 counties than some of the Free-State fucks, their mentality is pure "Free-Stater", that occupy the Labour and Fine Gael benches.
I would prefer to see a progressive left wing consensus built up rather than being the mudguard for either of the civil war parties.
I would prefer to see a progressive left wing consensus built up rather than being the mudguard for either of the civil war parties.
Agree 100%. Looks like the Greens will go in with FF now...
Looks like the Greens will go in with FF now...
I still can't see it, I think it's all smoke and shadows on FF's behalf.
How long have they got to make their minds up?
Jo,
14th June with a small bit of extended time if necessary.
Chris,
I agree the dream team would have been if the techncal group had entered the election with a transfer pact arranged that might have broken the 2 and a half party system up for good .
I agree with you on Hayes-but I don't think he is typical of FG over all--some of them would think like that but most would probably regard him as a bit 'special' .
All wishful thinking aside
I think it will be FF,Green and PD but with Cowen as head honcho rather than Bertie, I recon Mary Harney knows quite a bit about future Bertie Mahon tribunal revelations and probably regards Bertie as too hot too handle and her reinstatement as PD leader as a big misfortune for herself as she probably handed it over too Mc Dowell so that he could have the fallout in the first place
Or
I wouldnt rule out another trip too the polling booths for the people of the 26 in July, which would be bad news for Sinn Fein as people would definitely choose between the big parties meaning further squeezing for the smaller guys
I still can't see it, I think it's all smoke and shadows on FF's behalf
I don't think so Chris, but we'll know soon enough....
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